Template talk:Did you know/Approved
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Nominations
[edit]Special occasion holding area
[edit]- Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section on the regular nominations page, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began, or it was listed as a Good Article; be sure to indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
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Christmas
[edit]See the DYK talk page for discussion on this prep set.
Revelation of the Magi
- ... that the Biblical Magi dispense mysterious vision-inducing foods in the Revelation of the Magi, proposed to be an account of ritual hallucinogen intake?
- Source: Landau, Brent (2017). "Under the Influence (of the Magi): Did Hallucinogens Play a Role in the Inspired Composition of the Pseudepigraphic Revelation for the Magi?". In Fakes, Forgeries, and Fictions, a monograph collection. It's not online... but you can read chapter titles at https://www.tonyburke.ca/fakes-forgeries-and-fictions/ ... and I think just the title of this work is sufficient!
- ALT1: ... that the Revelation of the Magi, a Christian work in Syriac, is proposed to describe ritual hallucinogen intake, perhaps of hallucinogenic mushrooms? Source: See above.
- ALT2: ... that the Star of Bethlehem transforms into a glowing celestial human child in the Revelation of the Magi, a Christian work in Syriac? Source: https://www.academia.edu/207910 (title alone also probably sufficient here, but full work online)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Brick by Brick: How Lego Rewrote the Rules of Innovation
- Comment: I prefer the original or ALT1. Providing ALT2 mostly in case people really, really don't want to include the drug use. (I don't think ALT2 fails the DYKFICTION as fiction & mythology are two different things IMO and describing mythology / religion is okay, but mentioning that issue here if you want to be a stickler about real-world stuff.)
SnowFire (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough and long enough. No copyright violations detected, and it appears to be within policy. Hook facts are interesting, and check out to the sources. Hook lengths are good. My only issue is I do think we need to make it clear that it is only one scholar suggesting/proposing the hallucinogen mushroom theory. This isn't a claim that we can say is widely proposed. Once the hook is modified accordingly I can approve it. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0B ... that the Biblical Magi dispense mysterious vision-inducing foods in the Revelation of the Magi, proposed by a scholar to be an account of ritual hallucinogen intake?
- ALT1B: ... that the Revelation of the Magi, a Christian work in Syriac, is proposed by a scholar to describe ritual hallucinogen intake, perhaps of hallucinogenic mushrooms?
- @4meter4: I've created variants above to address the concern. For what it's worth, on the original hooks are fine... I agree that for most topics, "just one scholar" is insufficient, but in the case of this work, there are basically just ~4-5 scholars who have published on it in English, and the scholar proposing this is the one who's published the most. (Not that quantity is a substitute for quality, of course.) That said, it's not a big deal to add two words. SnowFire (talk) 01:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Approving hooks ALT0B and ALT1B. Both I and the nominator prefer the ALT1B hook, but either is usable. Good work SnowFire!4meter4 (talk) 01:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Reopened as there was a date request at WT:DYK for Christmas/Epiphany.--Launchballer 17:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Approving hooks ALT0B and ALT1B. Both I and the nominator prefer the ALT1B hook, but either is usable. Good work SnowFire!4meter4 (talk) 01:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
January 19
[edit]Extraterritoriality of Princess Margriet's birth
- ... that Princess Margriet of the Netherlands (pictured) was born in Canada's capital but outside of the country's legal jurisdiction?
- Source: Margriet's birth in Ottawa is readily verifiable, the source used in the article is Gideon Defoe, An Atlas of Extinct Countries, p. 125. For 'outside of Canada's jurisdiction', in-article source is Proclamation declaring the extraterritoriality of the birthplace of Princess Margriet of the Netherlands in Canada, George IV, public domain at Wikisource. If you don't like Wikisource it is also available at this archive of Canada Gazette which is much more difficult to read.
- ALT1: ... that Canada created an extraterritorial bubble into which Princess Margriet of the Netherlands was born? Source: as ALT0 plus page 124 of Dafoe for the "bubble".
- ALT2: ... that Princess Margriet of the Netherlands's impending birth was proclaimed extraterritorial due to wartime necessity? Source: as ALT0
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2020 Puerto Rican status referendum & Template:Did you know nominations/Shooting of Greg Gunn (2× backlog mode)
- Comment: Special occasion for 19 January, Margriet's birthday. Open to ALTs.
Reidgreg (talk) 13:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC).
- Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 20:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Adequate sourcing: - Date of proclamation isn't verified within the document (WS titles are unreliable as UGC), but ref 5 does that; however I'm not sure if I should do it myself given the "adding sources" part in the advice I linked. Otherwise no issues that couldn't be directly fixed.
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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- Clear at 100px: - Might be more so with a cropped version, but I've submitted a Graphics Lab request due to the photograph shown being crooked.
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Overall: Created and nominated both today, sized at 4677 B. Ref 6 is PD, but outside the large quote, enough of the text is paraphrased to count towards size; otherwise no copyvio issues or anything that needed to be rewritten. Made a few minor fixes per WP:V and the advice at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_202#c-RoySmith-20241101020900-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241101015300. While checking the copied "peoples of Canada and the Netherlands", I discovered that both Powell refs are redundant, so I've merged them. Reservation made six weeks in advance, right at the six-week limit. Leaning ALT0. AGF the Dafoe ref; speaking of...
Sources are all reliable and verified/AGFed. To be safe I needed to verify the reliability of Atlas of Extinct Countries given its comedic-like nature and it checks out: CNN says it's "meticulously researched but written for genuine laughs", Asian Review of Books says "brief, often humorous summaries not intended to provide a comprehensive, scholarly examination of extinct countries", and Cartographic Perspectives says "descriptions of the territorial entities are often anecdotal, meant as much to amuse as to inform ... I found myself searching the internet for articles on these places, both to verify the more ludicrous claims presented in Defoe’s writing (they all check out)" and that there are cited sources (albeit "on a marginally-related tangent").
Image is freely licensed, but it's a photo of a tilted photo, so I've submitted a Graphic Lab request at Commons; I can hold this for until the request is done. @Reidgreg: once these issues are fixed, you're good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 22:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Reidgreg: Graphic Lab is done, but upon closer look, the image should be fine at 120px since one can tell there's a baby being held by a military officer, enough to match the context. Fix the one issue and you're good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: Thanks for the quick and thorough review, and for the image improvements. Addressing the (other) red X first, the date of the proclamation, I've added "Veen1979" as suggested (I kept the original citation as Veen doesn't mention George VI).
- Re: the first/only time a foreign flag flew at the Peace Tower, I added "Tanweer2021" which has only. Is that sufficient (it's 3 years old)?
- re: the myth, "Veen1979" (which only mentions one room) is the one good source which describes the myth as a myth. Here are two reliable sources which are examples of reportage of the myth as truth with more than one room:
- People, 1 Feb 1943 "In Ottawa, in a hospital suite declared Dutch territory for the day, to Crown Princess Juliana had been born [...] Margriet"
- New York Post 20 June 2021 "Once Princess Juliana entered the third floor of Ottawa's Civic Hospital to give birth to Princess Margriet, Canada declared the maternity ward part of the Netherlands".
- One can readily find additional unreliable sources. I wasn't sure about citing sources which report incorrectly. Thoughts? – Reidgreg (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Both are good, and I fixed the Tanweer ref to show "as of". WP:NYPOST is WP:GUNREL, but it's being used as a primary source in the context of the myth, so the principle of ABOUTSELF will apply here; same for the People ref, which is reliable per RSP. Add them if you want. In the meantime, ALT0 approved. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Reidgreg: forgot ping. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: I put it back with
or as much as the entire maternity ward
in parenthesis, with a citation to three references, grouped together the way you did for Powell. I think that works. – Reidgreg (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)- @Reidgreg: Looks good to me. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: I put it back with
January 26
[edit]Oliver Hutchinson
- ... that Oliver Hutchinson (pictured) was the subject of the first successful live demonstration of the television on 26 January 1926?
- Source: "Ninety years ago today, in a building in Soho, the first live television demonstration took place in front of a room of members of the Royal Institution and a journalist from The Times. A face – that of a man called Oliver Hutchinson – appeared on in a small 3.5ins by two inch picture. The Scot's first successful test of his Televisor was in 1924, when he transmitted a flickering image onto a wall ten feet away. Two years later, it was a clearer image of Hutchinson in a different room which is now regarded to be the first television demonstration as earlier showcases projected nothing more than faint silhouettes." from: "Google joins in celebrations for TV's 90th birthday". The Week. 20 January 2016. Retrieved 16 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Oliver Hutchinson was the subject of the first photograph of a television image (pictured) in 1926? Source: "the off-screen photograph of Oliver Hutchinson by Lafayette, the earliest photograph of a television image, first appeared in The Electrician of June 1926 (see figure 3-13)" from McLean, Donald F. (2000). Restoring Baird's Image. IET. p. 41. ISBN 978-0-85296-795-9.; the figure shown in the book is the same photo as here.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Garnatálg
Dumelow (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
- Starting to review. ProfGray (talk) 14:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Other problems: - See comments for possible edits
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Overall: Well done, thank you esp for the writing and for hunting down the sources for this bio. ALT0 -- would it be better to say "live" rather than public demonstration? The source says "live" and I'm not sure this is "public" in our current usage of the term. Might also move (pictured) after 'television' because it's a great image of that TV demo, not of the subject himself. ALT1 -- this is accurate but strikes me as an odd emphasis on the photograph rather than the pioneering step with television technology. ProfGray (talk) 15:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have changed "public" to "live" in the article if you want to go with that. I left it a bit ambiguous with the "pictured" as I can't find a source that says this is an image of the first demonstration, it could have been taken another time and wasn't published until June. The demonstration was 26 January. Not sure how long the current backlog is but this could well run on the 99th anniversary of the event? - Dumelow (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Great, if you agree "live" is better, then I'd suggest revising the first hook. Thanks for explaining about your caution with the image, that's wise. ProfGray (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have amended ALT0 to "live" instead of "public" - Dumelow (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Great, if you agree "live" is better, then I'd suggest revising the first hook. Thanks for explaining about your caution with the image, that's wise. ProfGray (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have changed "public" to "live" in the article if you want to go with that. I left it a bit ambiguous with the "pictured" as I can't find a source that says this is an image of the first demonstration, it could have been taken another time and wasn't published until June. The demonstration was 26 January. Not sure how long the current backlog is but this could well run on the 99th anniversary of the event? - Dumelow (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29:, hi, saw the revert, is there anything else that I / we need to do? ProfGray (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, the nominator just wants it to be run on 26 January. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
January 28
[edit]Artur Bubnevych
- ... that Ruthenian Catholic bishop Artur Bubnevych earned a degree in Gaming?
- Reviewed: Template: Did you know nominations/Thomas Curnow
- Comment: off-site help with hook provided by User:Darth Stabro
Maximilian775 (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: the subject of the article will not be a bishop until 28 Jan 2025; the hook can either be held until then, or rephrased to say "bishop-elect". ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 01:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Darth Stabro and Maximilian775: The first paragraph needs an inline citation to continue, but the article is otherwise fine and QPQ is supplied. Six weeks was definitely a long time from the November 14 nomination, but it's only seven weeks away, so that is probably an option to delay at promoter's discretion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Sammi Brie, citation added. Thanks! ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 12:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- We should be okay now. Promoter's choice to run now as "bishop-elect" or run on 28 January 2025 as "bishop". Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Sammi Brie, citation added. Thanks! ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 12:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Approved nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on September 27
[edit]Phoebe Plummer
... that during Phoebe Plummer's May 2024 jury trial over a climate protest, the court finished early on several days due to the heat? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/15/uk-climate-activists-convicted-in-first-trial-of-new-anti-protest-lawsALT1: ... that an October 2022 protest involving Just Stop Oil member Phoebe Plummer inspired many activists worldwide to throw food at paintings? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/17/just-stop-oil-phoebe-plummer-prison/ALT2: ... that when Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, they were "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge?Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-emission zone in Oxford, Template:Did you know nominations/CyberJoly Drim, Template:Did you know nominations/Ajah Pritchard-Lolo, Template:Did you know nominations/Alison Creagh
- Comment: Plummer was created 27 September, though I did a 5x expansion on 2 October, added Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest three days later, added Christopher Hehir two days after that, and added Holland on 5 November.
Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Ooh, a quadruple hook. All of the articles are new enough, long enough, and well cited. There are a few places where phrasing could be a bit more neutral (I feel like inspired would be better than empowered, for example), but those may also be stylstic considerations. Earwig isn't happy, but it's the large block quote that speaks to Plummer's inspiration in that instance. Ideally Hehir's article would have a bit more on his early life, but if the sources aren't talking about it, rather difficult. (Minor quibble: the source says "unfortunately" rather than "unfortunate", but I think it works here). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- This has been sitting near the top of Approved for over a week. What else do I have to do to get this promoted? (For the record, I believe "unfortunately" --> "unfortunate" is covered by MOS:SIC.)--Launchballer 02:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure that Holland in particular meets the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- She's a lot more borderline than Plummer, I'll admit that. From memory, there's significant coverage of her role in Politico at least and this Prospect piece was what clinched it for me, but I will of course take another look later.--Launchballer 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since we are dealing with a BLP, I think we should veer on the side of safety as described in WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've had another look and I believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL#unusual crime.--Launchballer 00:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for another promoter's opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: This nomination is over two months old. I still believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL, but is it worth posting at WT:DYK (though arguably this'll get another review when it's queued anyway)?--Launchballer 14:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, why not? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Posted there.--Launchballer 03:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, why not? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: This nomination is over two months old. I still believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL, but is it worth posting at WT:DYK (though arguably this'll get another review when it's queued anyway)?--Launchballer 14:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for another promoter's opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've had another look and I believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL#unusual crime.--Launchballer 00:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since we are dealing with a BLP, I think we should veer on the side of safety as described in WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- She's a lot more borderline than Plummer, I'll admit that. From memory, there's significant coverage of her role in Politico at least and this Prospect piece was what clinched it for me, but I will of course take another look later.--Launchballer 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure that Holland in particular meets the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I have started an AfD. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nomination must go on hold until the AfD finishes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- The AfD for Anna Holland has closed as a redirect. Flibirigit (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck ALT2 and proposed ALT2a below: Flibirigit (talk) 01:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2a: ... that when Phoebe Plummer faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, she was "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/
- Restoring this tick for the three surviving articles. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 3
[edit]LaTasha Barnes
- ... that one of the most popular places to learn swing dance and lindy hop is in Malmo, Sweden?
- Reviewed:
Wroliver (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Wroliver, the article says onyl that the "Herrang Dance Camp is one of the most popular places in Europe to learn swing dance and Lindy Hop" and is sourced to its Wikipedia article. This wouldn't be acceptable and would need an independent source. Additionally it doesn't seem to have much to do with the subject of the article LaTasha Barnes, a hook focussing on her would be preferred. Finally, the article has been tagged for promotional tone and unclear citations that needs resolving before it can be posted - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wroliver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back in the next couple of days I will close the nomination as unsuccessful. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd propose ALT1: ... that jazz dancer LaTasha Barnes used to be a sergeant in the U.S. Army? Sdkb talk 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Marking for closure as article continues to have significant citation issues. It has also been tagged for promotional content - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wroliver has requested to keep this open for another day or so. There is significant work to be done here to address the tags on the article though - Dumelow (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Marking for closure as article continues to have significant citation issues. It has also been tagged for promotional content - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd propose ALT1: ... that jazz dancer LaTasha Barnes used to be a sergeant in the U.S. Army? Sdkb talk 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wroliver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back in the next couple of days I will close the nomination as unsuccessful. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Alt DYK proposed for LaTasha Barnes article: DYK that dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army? [1]
Note: I have made some revisions to the article to address concerns mentioned, including removing the Wikipedia reference and replacing it with a better reference. I've attempted to keep a neutral tone throughout, and changed some of the language for that purpose. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.Wroliver (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes
- Hi Wroliver, thanks for getting back to me. I have been through "Early years" and "Performing career" and noted a few bits that are not supported by the sources cited. Can you look to resolve these and any other similar parts of the article before I continue the review - Dumelow (talk) 10:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've also tagged a sentence copied verbatim from the cited source. Please address this and also any other similar instances, we cannot violate copyright in this way - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wroliver, further to your message on my talk page I have looked at the next section "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Again it is full of statements not supported by the source cited or where better sources are needed. Can you please address these and look at the remaining two sections to check for similar issues. It is very frustrating to have to go through this article line by line. It is basic policy here that anything stated in the article should be supported by the source - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wroliver: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see my comments have been addressed for the "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Can you please confirm you have checked the final two sections of the article for similar issues (including that everything stated is backed up by the source cited) ; it is very frustrating to go through it line by line to find the same issue repeated - Dumelow (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wroliver: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wroliver, further to your message on my talk page I have looked at the next section "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Again it is full of statements not supported by the source cited or where better sources are needed. Can you please address these and look at the remaining two sections to check for similar issues. It is very frustrating to have to go through this article line by line. It is basic policy here that anything stated in the article should be supported by the source - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Wroliver:, further to your message on my talk page saying you have checked the last two paragraphs I have started to take a look. The first sentence I checked was "All of her experiences as a performer as well as her academic work for her thesis have served as important precursors to her current show, The Jazz Continuum, an "ongoing project to close the gap between contemporary Black dances and their predecessors."" This includes some specific claims and a direct quote, but nothing to support it appears in the source cited which is just a list of the "top 5" shows on the stage at a given time. It is fairly basic stuff to make sure that everything stated in the article is supported by the work cited. I am not going to waste time checking the rest of the article. Please carefully review it and check that everything is supported properly - Dumelow (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)- @Wroliver:, scratch that. It was a error with the url in the ref cited that was redirecting it to a different article. I'll look over it now - Dumelow (talk) 11:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wroliver:. I've flagged a citation needed for her bachelors degrees, for her 2021 Bessie award and a better source needed for the stuff cited to Broadway World (which is listed at WP:RSP as "generally unreliable"). Other than that should be OK - Dumelow (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wroliver: has made changes to the sources and ALT1 should be good to go. I don't have an NYT subscription so AGF on sourcing, I amended the hook slightly to say "used to be a sergeant" rather than "began her career as a sergeant" as that could be interpreted as her having skipped the more junior ranks - Dumelow (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wroliver:. I've flagged a citation needed for her bachelors degrees, for her 2021 Bessie award and a better source needed for the stuff cited to Broadway World (which is listed at WP:RSP as "generally unreliable"). Other than that should be OK - Dumelow (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Was looking at promoting this, but there continues to be quite a bit of fluff and promotional language. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wroliver, I'm going to respond here so that the discussion remains centralized. I have concern that some of the language is a bit overly promotional, such as "Barnes began a collaboration with Caleb Teicher & Friends, which eventually resulted in the 2021 show "Swing Out," currently touring the U.S." (cited to a primary source), "While Barnes continues to perform with many different people in a variety of venues, she is also an educator who explains the key role of African Americans in developing African diasporic dance forms including hip hop, swing dance, and jazz dance." and "Barnes has taken on some of the responsibility for keeping the history of vernacular Black dance forms alive," (phrasing is fluffy, rather promotional). The tone overall seems very informal, rather than the formal tone preferred for Wikipedia. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello Chris, I believe that I've fixed the problems you noted yesterday, but let me know if not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes Thanks very much, Wroliver (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Wroliver, reinstating tick. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Still promotional in my opinion, with unnecessary verbosity especially present in the "Educator", "The Jazz Continuum", and the "Awards and Achievements" sections. I will not be putting this in a queue in its current state. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Dear AirshipJungleman29, I would appreciate knowing more about this DYK process, since this is my first time doing an article and doing DYK. How many folks need to give approval to the article before it moves ahead? I've already made changes requested by 2 people. It would help me make a decision about whether to keep working on this or not to know how many more times I will need to respond to feedback. Thanks very much, 192.65.213.200 (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming that this is Wroliver editing while logged-out, every nomination needs at least two approvals from the nominator and promoter; if a nomination has problems, more approvals might be needed. In this case, Dumelow was the reviewer, then Chris came along to promote this but found problems, and then I came along to promote it but found problems. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. I have a question: is it considered "promotional" when I present positive statements by dance reviewers? It is their job to give an opinion, and also describe the nature of a dance or performance. I'd like to be able to convey their ideas in the article if possible, since these types of reviews are the part of the evidence that artists deserve the awards and honors that they have received. In addition, these descriptions give readers an idea of what the work looks like, which is an important element in learning about different dance companies, choreographers, and styles. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- In short, concise descriptions or quotations are okay, but lengthy effusive quotations are not, and are potentially a copyright violation as well. The Parker and Burke paragraphs in "The Jazz Continuum" are especially problematic. This is not a DYK criterion, but a Wikipedia policy—that of neutrality. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. I have a question: is it considered "promotional" when I present positive statements by dance reviewers? It is their job to give an opinion, and also describe the nature of a dance or performance. I'd like to be able to convey their ideas in the article if possible, since these types of reviews are the part of the evidence that artists deserve the awards and honors that they have received. In addition, these descriptions give readers an idea of what the work looks like, which is an important element in learning about different dance companies, choreographers, and styles. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the clarification. I will work on it today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wroliver (talk • contribs) 18:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello AirshipJungleman29, I hope I've addressed all your concerns within the article. I've removed some quotations and shortened others, and tried to keep everything neutral. Please let me know if there are any further changes needed. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 02:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- You had not, but I have now done so myself. Since I am now involved with the article, requesting a new reviewer. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me.--Launchballer 15:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- You had not, but I have now done so myself. Since I am now involved with the article, requesting a new reviewer. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Siebert, Brian. "From the Lindy Hop to Hip-Hop in One Improvising Body". New York Times. New York Times. Retrieved 2022-11-16.
Articles created/expanded on October 18
[edit]2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike
- ... that a rent strike in Missouri (pictured) is the first to ever target the United States federal government?
💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ 【=◈︿◈=】 00:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new and long enough. Article is well-sourced, neutral, and only pings on Earwigs for some long proper titles. Hook is cited, short enough, and interesting. QPQ has been completed. Image is freely licensed, clear at a diminished size, and used in the article. Morgan695 (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LunaEclipse, Morgan695, and AirshipJungleman29: pulled, as no one responded to this message and it's in queue now :) will probably need a new hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, ALT1: ...that tenants burned their late rent notices as part of a strike in Missouri? 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 22:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- (source jic) 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 22:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- looks like the body of the article says they burned the notices? (see WP:HEADLINE) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I've reworded the hook accordingly. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 11:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LunaEclipse: Seems to check out. I'm sorry to jerk you around on this, but is this article notable under WP:NEVENT? There's no analysis-based coverage, it's all primary-source reporting, and all of the coverage seems to be from local or niche publications. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: [3] [4] [5] 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 12:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- All right, it's not enough that I feel the need to send it to AfD myself, but would encourage the promoter to take a second look. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: [3] [4] [5] 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 12:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LunaEclipse: Seems to check out. I'm sorry to jerk you around on this, but is this article notable under WP:NEVENT? There's no analysis-based coverage, it's all primary-source reporting, and all of the coverage seems to be from local or niche publications. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I've reworded the hook accordingly. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 11:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- looks like the body of the article says they burned the notices? (see WP:HEADLINE) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- (source jic) 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 22:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, ALT1: ...that tenants burned their late rent notices as part of a strike in Missouri? 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 22:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 19
[edit]Michel Klein (veterinarian)
- ... that in the 1950s, Michel Klein (pictured) opened one of the first veterinary practices in Paris?
- Source: "Michel Klein, born in 1921 in Romania, studied at the veterinary school in Toulouse, a city where he joined the resistance before fleeing to Spain. Back after the war, he was one of the first to open a veterinary office in Paris in the 1950s."
Thriley (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- The article lacks some basic biographical facts: he was born in Sighet (not in generic northwestern Romania), and he was Jewish, the specific reason most of his family perished at Auschwitz. In Toulouse, he did not attend an unspecified veterinary school, but the École nationale vétérinaire de Toulouse. He was not simply in the vast “French Resistance”, but, as the first source I supplied indicates, in a network run by the Special Operations Executive. And so on. (@Dahn:, this may be of interest.) — Biruitorul Talk 06:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thriley and ForsythiaJo: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Thriley and ForsythiaJo: I'm closing this in 24 hours if I don't see some action on this.--Launchballer 01:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Will be fixing up in the next 12 hours. Thriley (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Thriley and ForsythiaJo: I'm closing this in 24 hours if I don't see some action on this.--Launchballer 01:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Thriley and ForsythiaJo: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. No further objections from me. As far as I’m concerned, this passes: long enough, new enough, reliable sources, interesting hook fact. — Biruitorul Talk 21:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
John Green (basketball)
- ... that John Green was UCLA's leading scorer on the first of coach John Wooden's 12 Final Four teams?
- Source: "John Green, All American senior guard, was the team's high scorer with 559 points in 29 games, a 19.3 average." (The California Eagle) "At 6 feet 3, he started for the first of Wooden’s 12 NCAA Final Four teams." (Pioneer Press)
—Bagumba (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing. RecycledPixels (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- 1. New enough - Article created on the day of the nomination
- 2. Long enough - 4451 Readable prose size, not a stub
- 3. External policy compliance - . Well-sourced, neutral, and BLP-compliant. Spot checked sources 11, 19, 21, and 26 (11% of sources used) shows no copyvio or close paraphrasing
- 4. Presentable - No article improvement or citation needed tags.
- 5. Sourced - . Verified both sources provided, meets RS.
- 6. Hook short enough - Brief and to the point.
- 7. Hook interesting -
- 8. Images - - No image included for main page publication
- 9. QPQ - - Done.
- 10. Other - No problems.
- Overall: Pass. RecycledPixels (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 20
[edit]Mwene Muji
... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?- ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?
- Source: [6]
- Reviewed:
Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now the hook does not meet the guidelines for a DYK hook as it's too long (we have a limit of 200 characters for most hooks, and ideally it should be less). In addition, it needs to largely focus on a hooky fact, whereas the current hook is essentially summarizing the article. Please prose a new hook so that the nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
@User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?
- Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?
- I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, is neutral and plagiarism free and a QPQ is not needed. Hook is cited and interesting. On sourcing, the article would benefit with a wider range of references, perhaps this, this or this will help? There's also a couple of points to address with clairication and 'by whom' tags inline. Also, how Mwene Muji is referred to changes between the second and third paragraphs - it moves to their - so the pronoun just needs to be standardised throughout. Also the lead should summarise the parapgraphs below, so do add detail from the lead below too. Great to see an article on the topic, and the map is great. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your time, that'll improve the article loads. I'll have a dig through Google Books but English sources are incredibly scarce. Those sources are good, thank you Kowal2701 (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Lajmmoore Is that good now? Kowal2701 (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kowal2701 thanks for the work - looks good, but I've just spotted this sentence "It was of the Nunu people and the Ntote." and I can't work out what it means, or if it's in the right place, please could you clarify that? Then it will be good to go Lajmmoore (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lajmmoore To be honest with you, I wasn’t entirely sure what the Ntote were so left it ambiguous, but after another read I’m confident they were just titles. Kowal2701 (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Lajmmoore (talk) 11:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kowal2701 thanks for the work - looks good, but I've just spotted this sentence "It was of the Nunu people and the Ntote." and I can't work out what it means, or if it's in the right place, please could you clarify that? Then it will be good to go Lajmmoore (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Lajmmoore Is that good now? Kowal2701 (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 24
[edit]Jing Tsu
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that Jing Tsu's schoolteachers called her "female tiger" because their punishment had no effect on her?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shirt (song)
- Comment: Open to rewording
Kimikel (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC).
- * ... ALT1 ... that Jing Tsu's remembers being called "female tiger" because her schoolteachers' punishments had little effect on her? Source I'm suggesting a possible rewording of the original hook; we can verify that she has stated this, but not whether it was originally said. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Since I have suggested the rephrasing of the hook, someone else should probably reconfirm this review. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'll tick off on this. Hook is well phrased, article seems to meet the criteria. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 28
[edit]Chernobyl Reactors 5 and 6
- ... that nearly 300 construction workers showed up to work at 8 am to continue building reactors 5 and 6, unaware of the Chernobyl disaster?
- Reviewed:
Bollardant (talk) 02:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- Not seeing the hook information in the cited source. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Correct reference added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 16:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not seeing the hook information in the cited source. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Good to go. I would replace "reactors 5 and 6" with "Chernobyl Reactors 5 and 6". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 16:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Zeng Laishun
- ... that Zeng Laishun (pictured) was the first Chinese person to attend college in the United States?
- Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2011) Stepping Forth into the World: The Chinese Educational Mission to the United States, 1872–81. Pg. 3
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC).
- I didn't know he was the first - this is definitely cool and DYK worthy! Blervis (talk) 04:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Blervis: If this is a review, make sure to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewer instructions; check the source (if possible), and make sure the article fits the DYK criteria. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- We can have a second opinion from an experienced editor, who at the same time could try teaching Blervis the ropes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- We can have a second opinion from an experienced editor, who at the same time could try teaching Blervis the ropes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thinking about it, given how exceptional the claim is and how difficult it seems to verify it and ensure it isn't inaccurate, I would suggest proposing different angles. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
This article is long enough and new enough (moved to mainspace on the day of nomination, and subsequently promoted to GA). It is well sourced, neutral and with no copyvio problems. The image file is in the public domain (original ca. 1880s). The hook is very sourced: Rhoades (2011, p3) says 'Though not well known, Zeng Laishun was the first Chinese to attend an American college', and had previously reported this in an article 2005, where he presented the evidence for this statement. The hook stands up as it is, and works well. It is properly sourced in the article too. Good to go! Chaiten1 (talk) 15:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Generalissima, per WP:DYKDEFINITE, are there any more sources that certify the hook fact, or is it just the one author? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'll just switch the hook; it's one of those situations where no one else contradicts Rhoads on this, but I can only find Rhoads or people citing him saying it directly. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ...that Qing dynasty official Zeng Laishun (pictured) attended the second inauguration of Ulysses S. Grant?
- Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2005). "In The Shadow Of Yung Wing: Zeng Laishun and the Chinese Educational Mission to the United States". Pacific Historical Review. 74 (1): 19–58. doi:10.1525/phr.2005.74.1.19. JSTOR 10.1525/phr.2005.74.1.19. (pp. 40–42)
- Chaiten1, can you review the new hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 looks good to me. The hook is interesting, and the cited source checks out. The hook is in the article, and cited appropriately. In Rhodes article, the fact of Zeng's attendance is based on two contemporary newspaper reports - so it is verified. Chaiten1 (talk) 21:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Chaiten1, can you review the new hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 31
[edit]Mountain Landscape
- ... that Mountain Landscape (pictured) is said to defy photographic reproduction by its former curator, who claims the immersive depth and luminosity of the painting can only be fully experienced in person?
- Source: Hertzlieb, Gregg (Fall/Winter 2009-2010). "Frederic Edwin Church: Mountain Landscape". Valparaiso Poetry Review. Valparaiso University. XI (1).
- ALT1: ... that the former curator of Mountain Landscape (pictured) says the painting's immersive depth and luminosity can only be experienced in person, not in a photograph?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Burrito Express: Template:Did you know nominations/Disputes on Wikipedia; Template:Did you know nominations/It's OK I'm OK
Viriditas (talk) 06:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
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Overall: Hook is interesting, good to go. Sahaib (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas and Sahaib: an image maybe useful for this DYK as its freely licensed. I've also altered the hook for this reason. To promoter: Please wait at least 5 days from the date/time shown on this comment. JuniperChill (talk) 11:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Image is cool. Sahaib (talk) 22:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to have the hook run without the image. Viriditas (talk) 22:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a shortened version: "... that the former curator of Mountain Landscape says the painting's immersive depth and luminosity can only be experienced in person, not in a photograph?" That brings the hook down from 191 to 152 characters. Viriditas (talk) 22:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 2
[edit]Oscar Goodman (basketball)
- ... that Oscar Goodman is New Zealand's only global basketball tournament 1st team all-tournament honoree since 2002?
TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Covered for newness, length, sourcing, neutrality, is plagiarism-free, and the hook is cited and interesting. QPQ done. Good to go on this one! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- What's a "global basketball tournament 1st team all-tournament honoree"? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Goodman has participated in three FIBA sanctioned tournaments. The first was just a regional competition for countries in Oceania. The second was a tournament for countries in Asia (and/including Oceania). The third was for countries around the world. I use the term global to mean a tournament open to worldwide/global contestants. Such tournaments select honorary teams to recognize the best performers in the tournament. These teams are called all-tournament teams and the players chosen are honorees. Sometimes the tournament will select a best five (the first team) and a next best five (the second team).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 3
[edit]Abu Sulayman Da'ud
- ... that Arab physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud was recruited by the Latin king of Jerusalem to treat a disabled boy prince, while Abu Sulayman's son taught the prince to ride a horse using only his knees?
- Source: "Abu Sulayman worked for the king for a while, even treating his son Baldwin's leprosy..." Zimo p. 158 "He also engaged Abul’Khair, Abu Sulayman’s brother, to teach the boy to ride ... with his knees alone." Hamilton p. 28
- ALT1: ... that Arab Christian physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud served both Latin Christian and Arab Muslim rulers? Source: "This Eastern Christian family thus knit together different political and religious groups of the region by bringing their medical expertise to serve both the Franks and the Ayyubids. Zimo p. 159
- ALT2: ... that Arab Christian physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud treated the Christian prince Baldwin of Jerusalem, but as an astrologer sent a message to Baldwin's enemy Saladin prophesizing Saladin's victory? Source: "... he also took a message from his father, a noted astrologer, to Saladin, assuring him that he would conquer Jerusalem." Hamilton p. 186
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Czarodziejski okręt
- Comment: Hamilton describes Abu Khayr in his 2000 book as Abu Sulayman's brother. Other cited sources, as well as Hamilton in his 1980 book, describes Abu Khayr as Abu Sulayman's son.
Surtsicna (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: New article with 2380 characters, well-sourced with inline citations. I reviewed all cited sources for verification; all sources are accessible. No issues with copyvio or tone. All hooks are interesting, well-researched, and properly cited. Thank you for writing about Abu Sulayman, an exceptional figure whose life bridged cultural and religious divides. As an Arab Christian, I appreciate how this article highlights the contributions of Eastern Christians, and Arabs in general in medicine and science. el.ziade (talkallam) 10:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Michael O'Kane
- ... that Michael O'Kane never received approval to begin constructing a building for the College of the Holy Cross?
- Source: Kuzniewski, Anthony J. (1999). Thy Honored Name: A History of the College of the Holy Cross, 1843–1994. Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press. pp. 148–149. ISBN 978-0-81320-911-1. Archived from the original on March 25, 2020. Retrieved August 26, 2023 – via Google Books.
Ergo Sum 03:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review - but the current version of ALT0 doesn't seem very clear: is the word 'before' needed? @Ergo Sum: Chaiten1 (talk) 11:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaiten1: That was a typo. I've fixed it. Ergo Sum 16:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a newly created article, which is well written, well sourced and has no copyvio issues. The hook is interesting, a good length, and checks out with the source (verified in google books); the hook is appropriately referenced in the article. QPQ has been done. Nice work! Chaiten1 (talk) 17:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 4
[edit]Standard-winged nightjar
- ... that during breeding season, the male standard-winged nightjar (pictured) grows a wing ornament over twice the length of its body?
- Source: Cleere, N.; Kirwan, G. M. (2020). del Hoyo, J.; Elliott, A.; Sargatal, J.; Christie, D. A.; de Juana, E. (eds.). "Standard-winged Nightjar (Caprimulgus longipennis), version 1.0". Birds of the World Online. Cornell Lab of Ornithology, Ithaca, NY. doi:10.2173/bow.stwnig1.01.
21–22 cm (excluding male's "standards", which reach 45–53·5 cm in length)
Reconrabbit 22:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- The article is fine in every respect (long enough, well-written and recently enough promoted to GA), and the hook is good, but it is not backed up by the wording in the article. In the article it simply says that the standards are "much longer" than the body, now "twice the length". There should also be an inline citation supporting the claim directly after the sentence in which it is made. It's a small fix, after which the article should be ready for DYK. Yakikaki (talk) 22:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that the length given of
a broad secondary flight feather[4] on each wing elongated to up to 53.5 centimetres
makes sense to describe as "twice the length of its body" since earlier the bird's length is given asthis medium-sized (20–23 centimetres (7.9–9.1 in) long) nightjar
and 53.5÷2=26.75 > 23 cm. Though since it's "up to" I could see justifying adding "that can be" after "wing ornament" in the hook. Additionally the quote in the source describes the bird's body as "21-22 cm" and immediately after gives a minimum length of 45 cm with the standards. I could change it to say directly in the article "over twice the length" instead of just "much longer" though. Reconrabbit 00:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that the length given of
- Sure, I wasn't arguing that the facts were not in the article or not supported by the inline citations. DYK used to have a rule, though, which stated "The facts of the hook need to appear in the article with a citation no later than at the end of the sentences in which they appear." However I see now that the rules have changed and become more flexible, and I can therefore happily drop this minor objection and give the green light to the article. Nice work! Yakikaki (talk) 15:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 5
[edit]Paora
- ... that following public backlash over Paora the kiwi (pictured) being mistreated, Zoo Miami stated, "We have offended the nation of New Zealand"?
―Panamitsu (talk) 07:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hook interesting, article new and long enough with adequate referencing. Hook fact cited inline and verified in the relevant source. QPQ is done. Earwig gives a fairly high number but that is due to attributed quotes which are relevant to the article. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 04:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Panamitsu, have you thought of asking Zoo Miami whether they'd like to donate a free photo to Wikipedia? Maybe as part of their ongoing redemption? I do remember that their publicity officer was rather onto it. And on a different front, I encouraged User:Paora to review this article as that seemed rather appropriate. But obviously, he's missed the boat. Schwede66 07:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Haha yes it certainly would've been funny if Paora reviewed this nomination. As for the image, I haven't thought of that, although it sounds like a good idea. I prefer not to ask organisations for images so I won't be doing it myself. You are welcome to do it if you wish, although I do realise that you will be more focussed on other projects that are more meaningful to you. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, no problems. I've managed to track down an email address for the zoo's communications director, Ron Magill. I've flicked him an email. Let's see what comes back. Can I suggest that prep promoters sit tight for a few days to see whether the zoo would like to make a photo available? Panamitsu, maybe you'd enjoy giving Magill's bio a bit of a tidy up – it could certainly do with one. Schwede66 08:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Image added, thanks. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- With regards to image licensing, I need to sort this out with VRT. It’ll take a few days. Schwede66 04:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- VRT has confirmed the license and the image can now be used. Schwede66 13:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Juxlos, could you kindly have another look and sign off on the image's license? Schwede66 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Juxlos (talk) 01:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 7
[edit]Bunt sind schon die Wälder
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that the melody for the song "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) that Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) created in 1799 has remained popular?Source: [7]- Reviewed: David Hilchen
Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC).
- I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you for this interesting article. I would like to hear this one. A few comments:
- Earwig finds only quotations and proper names. No problem there.
- The hook citation (above) for ALT0 was not in the article, so I added it there. I also gave the article a very minor copyedit. That does not affect this DYK review.
One issue: The citation given above for ALT0 does not confirm popularity. Popularity is mentioned in the name of the website, but not in the main text of the website. Also, the website name says (if I understand correctly) "popular and traditional lieder", so according to that, this piece could be in traditional style (which does not imply popularity). So I think we need to EITHER find another citation OR another hook.Storye book (talk) 11:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Not really a fan of the proposed hook, since the context given does not seem to make it clear why it is important that it has remained popular, and the context of it remaining popular is not clear (what is intended by "remained popular"?). I was going to suggest a hook involving Schubert, but the meaning of "different setting" is not clear: does it mean he wrote another melody to the song, or that Reichardt's melody was later re-used by Schubert? If it's the latter then perhaps that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- The wording I had in mind was something like "... that the melody of "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) was later used by Franz Schubert?", but I'm not sure if that was the intended context of the "Schubert wrote a different setting" part. That suggestion could probably still be worked on, I just threw it out here for brainstorming purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you - both - for thinking. I am open to rewording. Grammar: in German, "und" says that something is both, both traditional and popular", - if it was only one, German would use "oder". As you will have seen, there were multiple melodies, before and after, but this is the one in most publications, recorded, sung. Take Hannes Wader, a singer-songwriter himself: singing that old melody. (yt at the bottom) - Schubert wrote a different setting (= different melody + different piano), which didn't become popular, - note that only one of the uses mentioned has his version, - it remained for art singers and higher school education. What word would you choose instead of "popular" for: is the one that people know and sing? Schubert is really only a side note here, his setting didn't get popular in any sense, it's not Erlkönig. I didn't know he wrote a melody, but now he wrote 700 (as DYK once informed us). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Would it help to add that it was recorded among the "80 most popular Volkslieder" [8]. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- The new reference given by Gerda Arendt is satisfactory, and it explains the meaning of popularity in the article's context. Gerda, could you please give us an ALT1, and put the
new sentence andcitation in the article? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)- Storye bookYou mean a sentence about that collection? (In another nom, someone mentioned "promotional". Anyway, ref added, which supports "remained popular. Will search for more. As a little gift: a children's tv version ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I added two more indications of popularity, a 2011 poll and a 2017 collection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT0a: ... that the Volkslied "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) has remained popular with the 1799 melody by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured)?- to avoid the impression that only the melody remained popular. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, Gerda. The citation is now in the article, and I approve ALT0a, with image. Storye book (talk) 09:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- The new reference given by Gerda Arendt is satisfactory, and it explains the meaning of popularity in the article's context. Gerda, could you please give us an ALT1, and put the
- The wording I had in mind was something like "... that the melody of "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) was later used by Franz Schubert?", but I'm not sure if that was the intended context of the "Schubert wrote a different setting" part. That suggestion could probably still be worked on, I just threw it out here for brainstorming purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Not really a fan of the proposed hook, since the context given does not seem to make it clear why it is important that it has remained popular, and the context of it remaining popular is not clear (what is intended by "remained popular"?). I was going to suggest a hook involving Schubert, but the meaning of "different setting" is not clear: does it mean he wrote another melody to the song, or that Reichardt's melody was later re-used by Schubert? If it's the latter then perhaps that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pulling this per this discussion. Jlwoodwa raised concerns that the hook was hard to understand. In addition, the hook at best probably borderline meets WP:DYKINT. Some possible alternative suggestions:
ALT1 ... that "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" placed second in a 2011 poll by MDR on the most beautiful Volkslied?ALT1a ... that "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" placed second in a 2011 poll by MDR on the most beautiful German folk song?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
for ALT 1 or 1a, subject to Gerda Arendt's approval.Storye book (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)- I am sorry that I wrote so misleading. Not true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: As far as I can see, you have not written anything misleading or untrue. Please explain? Thanks.
- Regarding the word, "popular", in the discussion someone appeared confused by the word, presumably because they lived in a world so narrow that they did not know that "popular music" is a subsidiary meaning of "popular", which has for hundreds of years just meant that a lot of people liked something. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- The poll had 20 suggestions without Herbstlied. IT was No. 2 of the additional ones. - Please word for me. A song with a 1799 tune is still popular. The song hast a longish title in German, which I thought was good to translate. The title could mean anything, so we have to say what it is if you ask me. As you will not have noticed the hook is a bit quirky because with a composed melody it's not what you'd expect a Volkslied to be. Why would we not credit the composer who won over Schubert in popularity? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that the folk-style melody for "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" was composed long ago by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) and it is still liked by many?ALT1b .... that radio listeners voted "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" second in their suggested list of the most beautiful German folk songs?(See Gerda's comment above, regarding this one). Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)- Third party required to approve ALT2
and/or ALT1bonly. Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)- I think ALT1b would get us into trouble with ERRORS because it's more No. 22, and tough to explain with the 20 from the station. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- The poll had 20 suggestions without Herbstlied. IT was No. 2 of the additional ones. - Please word for me. A song with a 1799 tune is still popular. The song hast a longish title in German, which I thought was good to translate. The title could mean anything, so we have to say what it is if you ask me. As you will not have noticed the hook is a bit quirky because with a composed melody it's not what you'd expect a Volkslied to be. Why would we not credit the composer who won over Schubert in popularity? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am sorry that I wrote so misleading. Not true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
I really don't think ALT2 as currently written is going to work out. It's rather vague and basically says "did you know that this song written long ago is still popular?", which actually isn't all that uncommon. It would be like a hook saying "that the folk song "Yankee Doodle" from the 1700s remains popular?" I still think something about the poll would be the best option here, although if that really can't work out then either a completely different angle be suggested here, or the nomination be rejected for lack of a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- And I really don't think that slamming down the hopes of a nomination which bores you (and bores you alone, so far) is a constructive way to contribute. If this subject matter bores you, go and contribute to a nomination about your own favourite music, sport or whatever, and leave us to work productively on this one. Thank you.
- Controversy about which tune is the "right" one for a favourite set of verses can be a powerful force, and can cause concerts to be spoiled or cancelled. For example, in the UK (and possibly Europe, I don't know), a favoured tune for Psalm 23 is Crimond. There are many competing tunes for it, including Brother James' Air, which allows more fancy choral settings. However, when some people (including me) hear that tune used instead of Crimond, they become very angry. There is nothing wrong with Brother James' Air, but Crimond is loved for sentimental reasons. I can assure you that the subject matter of ALT 2 is far from boring. Storye book (talk) 10:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT3 ... that the melody for "Bunt sind schon die Wälder", composed by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured), is still preferred by many, even though the famous Franz Schubert wrote a tune for it? (176 characters)- Third party approval still required for ALT2 and/or ALT3. Storye book (talk) 10:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- We could go with some variation of ALT3 (we probably need to reject ALT2 however due to WP:DYKINT reasons). However, the issue with ALT3 is that it is not directly stated in the article or the source (there is nothing in the article that directly says that people prefer Recihardt's version, just that it exists and is popular while one by Schubert exists). If that could be addressed, ALT3 would be a suitable option.
- As for the "bores me" aspect, for what it's worth, Gerda's nominations and hooks have long had a reputation among several DYK regulars (not just me) for failing to meet the interestingness criterion, so it's not just me who has raised concerns. Other editors such as 4meter4 and CurryTime7-24 (incidentally both also classical music experts) have also raised concerns about her nominations and hooks in the past. While one could argue that DYKINT is by its nature a subjective criterion, the fact that Gerda's reputation exists, along with how the current wording of DYKINT was a direct response to one of her nominations, can't be discounted. For what it's worth, I have no issue with classical music as a topic itself and there have been plenty of acceptable hooks about the field from Gerda and other editors like 4meter4 and CurryTime among others. The issue has usually been the hooks themselves, not the field. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Are there any citations available, to support ALT3? Or is there any content in the existing citations, which could be added to the article in support of ALT3? Storye book (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Broadly speaking, classical music is that European vocal and orchestral music composed mostly in the 17th and 18th centuries, the name being reflective of that era's interest in the classical arts, such as Palladian architecture. Classical music tends to be emotionally controlled, with certain formal rules. Then you get transitional composers such as Beethoven who take the mickey out of classical music and play with more emotional stuff. Full-blown 19th-century orchestral music, and music for trained singers at that time in Europe, is called Romantic music, partly because it breaks with the previous century's emotional control. So we are not dealing here on this nom with classical music. It is music from the Romantic era. The confusion arises from today's usage of the word, "classical", where it has come to mean "not pop music". That is to say, when used in that way, the word has little real meaning. Storye book (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- (ec) Packing for return trip. Will be about a day. Hate editing mobile. - Sorry, Schubert takes us too far away. The 2 melodies don't compare. Schubert's is an art song, with no chance to become popular. The composer of such a successful thing deserves mentioning by name, imho. - After edit conflict: indeed, Not classical, but POPULAR. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, Storye book, and Narutolovehinata5: What is the status of this nomination?--Launchballer 02:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- It could use a reviewer who sees that it is noteworthy that this particular old song is still popular (while most others from the time arens't) and that it is due to a specific person's melody. Or first a person to word a better hook for that fact? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- ps: the concerns were archived: Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 203#Bunt sind schon die Wälder (nom). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Would rather recuse from commenting on this nomination further; however, I've struck ALT2 due to the vagueness I mentioned above. My final comment is that my concern about ALT3 being unsupported remains unresolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: As I understand it, the review of the article itself has been completed as a green tick, and has not been challenged. However the hooks are still under discussion. We need a third party reviewer to review the remaining hooks (as I write, ALT3 is the only remaining hook, although the struck hooks could be unstruck if considered interesting). Also, those who contributed to the article need to check that ALT3 is properly supported by citations in the article, then tell us whether we should keep, rewrite or strike ALT3. Storye book (talk) 10:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see where ALT3 is in the article. Also, where is your reference for the sentence beginning "The first"?--Launchballer 15:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have reworded the sentence beginning "The first", and provided a citation.
ALT4 ... that the melody for the song "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) that Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) created is the one commonly used today?Storye book (talk) 09:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)- I can't see where ALT4 is in the article and you could probably say it about every song ever written.--Launchballer 21:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: The sentence in the article which represents the hook is " The melody that became popular was composed in 1799 by Johann Friedrich Reichardt".[1] Re your comment "you could probably say it about every song ever written.", the original point of the hook was that one would have expected the Schubert setting to have been the popular one because Schubert is famous (and a jolly good composer), but in fact the Reichardt setting has been more commonly used. If you want that fact put back in the hook, that would be very helpful. Storye book (talk) 10:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see where ALT4 is in the article and you could probably say it about every song ever written.--Launchballer 21:58, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see where ALT3 is in the article. Also, where is your reference for the sentence beginning "The first"?--Launchballer 15:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: As I understand it, the review of the article itself has been completed as a green tick, and has not been challenged. However the hooks are still under discussion. We need a third party reviewer to review the remaining hooks (as I write, ALT3 is the only remaining hook, although the struck hooks could be unstruck if considered interesting). Also, those who contributed to the article need to check that ALT3 is properly supported by citations in the article, then tell us whether we should keep, rewrite or strike ALT3. Storye book (talk) 10:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Would rather recuse from commenting on this nomination further; however, I've struck ALT2 due to the vagueness I mentioned above. My final comment is that my concern about ALT3 being unsupported remains unresolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, Storye book, and Narutolovehinata5: What is the status of this nomination?--Launchballer 02:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- (ec) Packing for return trip. Will be about a day. Hate editing mobile. - Sorry, Schubert takes us too far away. The 2 melodies don't compare. Schubert's is an art song, with no chance to become popular. The composer of such a successful thing deserves mentioning by name, imho. - After edit conflict: indeed, Not classical, but POPULAR. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Broadly speaking, classical music is that European vocal and orchestral music composed mostly in the 17th and 18th centuries, the name being reflective of that era's interest in the classical arts, such as Palladian architecture. Classical music tends to be emotionally controlled, with certain formal rules. Then you get transitional composers such as Beethoven who take the mickey out of classical music and play with more emotional stuff. Full-blown 19th-century orchestral music, and music for trained singers at that time in Europe, is called Romantic music, partly because it breaks with the previous century's emotional control. So we are not dealing here on this nom with classical music. It is music from the Romantic era. The confusion arises from today's usage of the word, "classical", where it has come to mean "not pop music". That is to say, when used in that way, the word has little real meaning. Storye book (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Are there any citations available, to support ALT3? Or is there any content in the existing citations, which could be added to the article in support of ALT3? Storye book (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT5 ... that despite Franz Schubert writing a melody for the song "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" in 1816, the version composed by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) in 1799 remains the most popular?
- Maybe this wording works better? It's 180 characters so it's a bit on the long side, but I'm not sure if it's possible to shorten it further while keeping the context and accuracy intact. My main concern is that it's only implicitly, rather than explicitly, stated in the article that Reichardt's version is more popular than Schubert's. If this is the angle that we have to go with (I really wish we could go with the poll one instead as that appears to be the one that's most likely to appeal to general readership), that will need to be taken into account, as I fear that WP:SYNTH might apply if no source exists that actually states that Reinchardt's version is more popular despite Schubert's version existing. ALT4 as currently written is probably unsuitable given that it is reliant on knowledge of Reichardt, which not all of our readers have (and I'm skeptical that adding "1799" will address the concern given the vagueness of the term "popular" in this context, or if it lines up with reality, as discussed above). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Forgot to ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Approving ALT5, and disagreeing with the reservations which follow ALT5 above. Storye book (talk) 10:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it might be for the best for a third-party to approve or reject ALT5, as my reservations regarding WP:SYNTH remain and I have a feeling that objections could be raised over at WT:DYK without at least one other editor having a say if it's supported or not. The tick can be restored if the third-party says that WP:SYNTH is not violated. To make things clear I've struck all other hook options, so regardless only ALT5 for now will be under consideration. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed some movement here. Sorry, I have to say something I said a few times before: drop Schubert. His version was not meant to be popular, never was popular, so "most popular" makes no sense when comparing to Schubert's art song version. To make things clear, if ALT5 makes it, I'll go to ERRORS. Perhaps look at the original hook again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- After giving this thought, I think the best compromise we can do is the following:
- ALT5a ... that while Schubert wrote a melody for the song "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" in 1816, Johann Friedrich Reichardt's (pictured) 1799 version is the one that remains popular?
- It's basically a reword of ALT3 and it doesn't make any assumptions of "X is most popular despite Y", instead simply acknowledging that X exists but Y also exists and is the one that's popular, not necessarily the most popular. Technically I did introduce new hook facts to the hook by adding the years of publication, but they're just minor additions that don't fundamentally change the main hook facts so I'm IAR approving my own wording in this case. ALT5a to me at least probably resolves any possible SYNTH objections, and in any case I may have just been too cautious anyway. The nom has languished unapproved for long enough, so it should be time to run this with ALT5a. As for the above objection, "not meant to be popular" is not an issue for DYK purposes. I will leave it to the promoter if Schubert's name should be mentioned in full or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- After giving this thought, I think the best compromise we can do is the following:
- Sorry, I missed some movement here. Sorry, I have to say something I said a few times before: drop Schubert. His version was not meant to be popular, never was popular, so "most popular" makes no sense when comparing to Schubert's art song version. To make things clear, if ALT5 makes it, I'll go to ERRORS. Perhaps look at the original hook again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it might be for the best for a third-party to approve or reject ALT5, as my reservations regarding WP:SYNTH remain and I have a feeling that objections could be raised over at WT:DYK without at least one other editor having a say if it's supported or not. The tick can be restored if the third-party says that WP:SYNTH is not violated. To make things clear I've struck all other hook options, so regardless only ALT5 for now will be under consideration. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Approving ALT5, and disagreeing with the reservations which follow ALT5 above. Storye book (talk) 10:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "G. Bunt sind schon die Wälder". liederlexikon.de. Populare und Traditionelle Lieder. Retrieved 9 November 2024.
Articles created/expanded on November 8
[edit]Death of Milton King
- ... that Caribbean dockworkers started some of the first multinational anti-apartheid protests in the wake of Milton King's death?
- Source: Source 1: Cobley, Alan Gregor (June 1992). "'Far from home': the origins and significance of the Afro‐Caribbean community in South Africa to 1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 18 (2): 349–370. doi:10.1080/03057079208708318. Source 2: "West Indies Boycott South African Goods". Rand Daily Mail. Johannesburg, South Africa. October 10, 1951. p. 4.
- ALT1: ... that 5 percent of Barbados's entire population turned out to protest the death of Milton King while under Cape Town police officers' custody? Source: Source 1: "10,000 Joined Protest March". The Barbados Advocate. Bridgetown, Barbados. August 26, 1951. p. 12. Source 2: United Nations. 1951 Demographic Yearbook (PDF) (1951 ed.). New York: Statistical Office of the United Nations. p. 95. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
- ALT2: ... that a sailor standing up to police harassment led to some of the first multinational anti-apartheid protests? Source: Source 1: Cobley, Alan Gregor (June 1992). "'Far from home': the origins and significance of the Afro‐Caribbean community in South Africa to 1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 18 (2): 349–370. doi:10.1080/03057079208708318. Source 2: "Policeman Charged in Death of Milton King". The Barbados Advocate. Bridgetown, Barbados. British United Press. June 15, 1951. p. 3.
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- Comment: Apologies for being a tad delayed on nomination. My first GA. Very open to feedback on hooks, etc.
SunTunnels (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article long enough (17 KB), well-sourced, no copyvio. Nominated barely over the 7-day limit, so ok. ALT1 and ALT2 verified in source, but source for ALT0 does not appear to specify the protestors were dockworkers. I find ALT1 the most interesting (even for a small country, five percent of the population is a big deal). — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 05:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing, Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧! :) ALT0 has better sources but most often the protestors are described as 'unions', however see e.g. the Rand Daily Mail Oct. 6 1951 source (#30 at the moment), where an exporter company writes that "The local trade union of waterside workers and lightermen is threatening to retaliate by refusing to unload or handle any cargo from South Africa." But I'm happy to go with ALT1 or ALT2 if it's easier to verify with full confidence. SunTunnels (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- My mistake, I didn't notice you listed a second source for ALT0. Accepting ALT0 in good faith as I cannot access the second source for it. However, my favorite option is still ALT1. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing, Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧! :) ALT0 has better sources but most often the protestors are described as 'unions', however see e.g. the Rand Daily Mail Oct. 6 1951 source (#30 at the moment), where an exporter company writes that "The local trade union of waterside workers and lightermen is threatening to retaliate by refusing to unload or handle any cargo from South Africa." But I'm happy to go with ALT1 or ALT2 if it's easier to verify with full confidence. SunTunnels (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 9
[edit]Ethel Preston memorial
- ... that the grave of Ethel Preston (pictured) in Leeds, England, has a lifestyle statue of her stood in front of black marble doors, left ajar?
- Source: "Statue (life-size) standing ... black marble panelled doors .. the doors are slightly open" from: "MEMORIAL AND GRAVE OF ETHEL PRESTON AT NGR 2673 3905 IN LAWNSWOOD CEMETERY, Non Civil Parish - 1375322". Historic England.
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Overall: All looks good! Hook is interesting, as it describes a very unique memorial. Picture is clear at a small size, depicting the description visually. QPQ is done. Photographs are released under an appropriate CC license. No issues anywhere else. Good to go. Grnrchst (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Chen Dingshan
- ... that Chen Dingshan has been called the last heir of the Mandarin Ducks and Butterflies school?
- Source: Nicole Huang (黃心村) (June 2014). 舊聞新語話春申: 陳定山的上海與台北 [Travels of Minor Narratives: Chen Dingshan's Shanghai and Taipei] (PDF). Journal of Taiwanese Literature (in Chinese) (24): 1–30. Archived from the original (PDF) on 14 April 2021. Retrieved 9 November 2024. (有學者將陳定山定格成遺老形象,說他是「鴛鴦蝴蝶派最後的傳承人」,「延 續了民國舊式文人的一線餘脈」。[Some scholars have characterized Chen Dingshan as an old man, saying that he is "the last inheritor of the Mandarin Duck and Butterfly School" and "continues the remnants of the old-style literati of the Republic of China"])
ALT1: ... that the prolific author and artist Chen Dingshan named a hotel after two actresses?Source: Nicole Huang (黃心村) (June 2014). 舊聞新語話春申: 陳定山的上海與台北 [Travels of Minor Narratives: Chen Dingshan's Shanghai and Taipei] (PDF). Journal of Taiwanese Literature (in Chinese) (24): 1–30. Archived from the original (PDF) on 14 April 2021. Retrieved 9 November 2024. (父親 去世後,陳定山回到老家杭州,曾在西泠橋邊的風水寶地上建過一個「蝶來飯 店」,取名於大明星胡蝶和徐來的名字。開業那天,請來胡蝶和徐來參加剪綵, 轟轟烈烈,一時成為佳話,同時也炒熱了飯店的生意。[After his father passed away, Chen Dingshan returned to his hometown of Hangzhou and built the "Die Lai Hotel" on the Feng Shui treasure land next to Xiling Bridge, named after the famous stars Hu Die and Xu Lai. On the opening day, Hu Die and Xu Lai were invited to participate in the ribbon-cutting ceremony, which was a great success and became a favorite story. It also heated up the hotel's business."])- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (1 of 4)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC).
- New enough (created on 9 Nov), long enough, sources are good, very presentable. Hooks are cited and I confirm the content of the hooks. One bit I might need to pick is that Chen named a "restaurant", not a "hotel", after two actresses, as "飯店" usually refers to restauarants while "酒店" means hotels. So it should be
- ALT1a: ... that the prolific author and artist Chen Dingshan named a restaurant after two actresses?
- Other than that, hooks are quite interesting. I would also prefer that you clarify in the original hook that the Mandarin Ducks and Butterflies School is a school of literature, but that's up to personal discretion. QPQ confirmed.
- Finally, I wish to use this space to say a big thank you for writing the "brother article" of Chen Xiaocui! Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind words! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 10
[edit]Jill, Duchess of Hamilton
- ... that Jill, Duchess of Hamilton donated her body to science because "funerals are a bore"?
- ALT1: ... that when asked about the proper form of address for a divorced duchess, Jill, Duchess of Hamilton replied, "I have absolutely no bloody idea, and please don't tell me"? Source: [10]
- ALT2: ... that in her PhD thesis Jill, Duchess of Hamilton uncovered how Christian women in Israel change churches to get a divorce–because Israel does not allow civil divorce? Source: [11]
Surtsicna (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The DYK submission itself looks good, I particularly like ALT0 and ALT1, and for the most part the article is quite good. But I can't help but feel like the use of the "duchess" title throughout the article and in the title crosses the line of non-neutrality, due to her explicit rejection of the title. This is really my main issue with it. Grnrchst (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Grnrchst, by the time she reached the height of her career she had not been called Robertson for over 30 years. She did not reject the title. She merely asked that it be removed from her byline. The Guardian, for example, gives her byline as "Jill Hamilton" but still calls her "duchess of Hamilton" in the description; the Catholic Herald just sticks with "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton". "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton" remains by far the most common name for her in reliable sources, including the obituaries cited in the article. I am not opposed to substituting some of the duchesses with "Hamilton", however. Surtsicna (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: Thanks for the clarification. Per WP:COMMONNAME, I've struck my concerns about the title. I think "the duchess" could safely be replaced in most cases with personal pronouns (she/her), as there's not any ambiguity introduced that requires us to continue repeating who we're talking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: I've done this myself.--Launchballer 22:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Thanks for seeing to this. --Grnrchst (talk) 22:21, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Grnrchst: I've done this myself.--Launchballer 22:02, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: Thanks for the clarification. Per WP:COMMONNAME, I've struck my concerns about the title. I think "the duchess" could safely be replaced in most cases with personal pronouns (she/her), as there's not any ambiguity introduced that requires us to continue repeating who we're talking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 11
[edit]Walter G. Benz Jr.
- ... that during the Korean War, the 8th Fighter-Bomber Group, under the command of Walter G. Benz Jr., became the first United States Air Force unit to complete 50,000 combat sorties?
Toadboy123 (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article length and age are fine, no copyvio, source checks out. First time reviewer so would appreciate a second look 03:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
The Manhasset
- ... that the original developer of the Manhasset apartment building had to give up ownership when it was nearly completed? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 21, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Manhasset;New Crown for an Upper Broadway Wedding Cake". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that the original developer of the Manhasset apartment building went bankrupt and had to give up ownership before it was completed? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 21, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Manhasset;New Crown for an Upper Broadway Wedding Cake". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that an architect inspecting the Manhasset found so many pigeons there, his workers "were carrying fleas back to the office"? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 21, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Manhasset;New Crown for an Upper Broadway Wedding Cake". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that in 1999, the Manhasset apartment building caught fire just as its renovation was being completed? Source: Stewart, Barbara (April 7, 1999). "Finding Their Lives in the Ashes; For Many Displaced by Fire, Little Is Left but Problems". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rose O'Neill (Irish noblewoman)
Epicgenius (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be reviewing this today. :)
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Overall: Preference for ALT3, that one seems more interesting (and unfortunate) than the others. EF5 16:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good to go, easy pass! :) EF5 16:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
2019 Timaru hailstorm
- ... that New Zealand's costliest weather event in 15 years lasted for only 10 minutes?
- Source: For 10 minutes and costliest in 21st century: https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/127023904/the-day-it-pummelled-massive-hail-stones-in-timaru
- For it being the costliest weather event in 15 years (since the flooding in 2004): https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/300022912/hailstorm-has-nzs-second-highest-weatherrelated-insurance-bill-this-century?rm=a
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fukushima nuclear accident
- Comment: The hailstorm was the costliest weather event in the 21st century, but has since been overtaken by 2023's Cyclone Gabrielle, so that wording cannot be used.
―Panamitsu (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
- Ooh, a weather DYK! I'll take this.
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Overall: Looks good, passed. Although the "storm" section is short, it should be fine. EF5 16:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
@Panamitsu and EF5: Is there any way to phrase this so that it just gives the cost? I ask because I find the phrasing confusing in the original hook since there has been a more damaging storm since this one. Something like:
- ALTX: ... that a 10-minute hailstorm in New Zealand caused about $171 million in damage?
would work with a citation temporarily added to the lead. Feel free to cross this hook out if not interested, Rjjiii (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: Thanks for the suggestion. That could work too. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 13
[edit]Austin Staats
- ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats' contract was suspended after he bit another player's finger?
- ALT1: ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats received a 7 game suspension for being a sore loser? Source: https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/san-diego-player-gets-7-game-suspension-incident-19451876.php
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- Comment: ALT1 might be too disparaging. Idk, happy to receive input.
SammySpartan (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- I don't think either hook would meet WP:DYKBLP given their negative tone and their arguably undue focus. A different angle is needed here. Maybe:
- ALT2 ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats works part-time as a firefighter?
- I understand that it's actually common for professional lacrosse players to have other jobs, but that knowledge may not be common to most readers and thus may still be considered intriguing or unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess as a lacrosse fan, what's notable to me about him has been his anger issues on and off the field, but I totally get the need to be neutral. ALT2 works for me. SammySpartan (talk) 17:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Article is new enough and long enough.
- No copyright issues found
- daillycaller.com does not appear to be a WP:RS, despite their claim that "Real News Starts Here".
- Both ALT0 and ALT1 fail WP:DYKBLP ("Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided") and ALT2 is not interesting. So we need to find some better hooks.
- RoySmith (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't even notice that the article cites the Daily Caller. It's deprecated, so that reference will have to go (and also the part in question if a better source can't be found). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SammySpartan: Pinging regarding the issues raised above. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've removed the deprecated source, and have suggested some alts below.
- ALT3 ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats went undefeated in his college career?
- ALT3a ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats and his brother Randy Staats both went undefeated while playing for the Onondaga Community College Lazers?
- ALT4 ... that Austin Staats was the San Diego Seals' first ever draft pick?
- I didn't even notice that the article cites the Daily Caller. It's deprecated, so that reference will have to go (and also the part in question if a better source can't be found). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Randy Staats does not appear to qualify for DYK (too old), and I can't find where the first ever draft pick is stated in the article, so let's just go with ALT3. RoySmith (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Chrystal (musician)
- ... that a reviewer wrote that Chrystal's 2017 single "Waves" "contains the best opening line we've heard all year"? Source: https://i-d.co/article/girl-from-the-north-country-singerproducer-chrystal-is-putting-her-northern-donk-on-pop/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds
- Comment: At time of writing, her single "The Days" is at number 55 in the UK singles chart. It is not currently notable, but if it becomes such I will add it to the nomination.
Launchballer 17:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC).
- Launchballer The article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. The sources are reliable, and the hook is directly cited. A QPQ has been completed. I am not sure how interesting the hook is because it's a quote about a single and not the person herself. It seems to me that the hook would work better if the article was specifically about the single. SL93 (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's a crying shame we don't have ages for either her or her daughter, because it's quite unusual for new popstars to have adult children. I suggest any of the following:
- ALT1: ... that Chrystal read law before mounting a music career?
- ALT2: ... that the debut single of Manchester-based musician Chrystal led her to be compared with artists who "document their worlds with varying shades of inbuilt London bullshit detectors"?
- ALT3: ... that Chrystal is "from B-O-L-T-O-N"?--Launchballer 19:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. The promoter can choose between the alts. SL93 (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Israel Ta-Shma
- ... that the first publication of prolific author Israel Ta-Shma, a scholar of Talmud, was a 1960 Jewish songbook for the Israel Defense Forces?
- Source: Derovan, David (2007). "Ta-Shma, Israel Moses". In Berenbaum, Michael; Skolnik, Fred (eds.). Encyclopaedia Judaica. Vol. 19 (2nd ed.). Macmillan Reference USA, Keter Publishing House. p. 525. "first publication was a religious song book for IDF soldiers (1960) issued by the Chief Rabbinate of the IDF."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lova Rajaona
- Comment: His academic accomplishments are genuine but a bit hard to explain in a hook for a general audience. Of course, I will write ALT hooks if desired.
ProfGray (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC).
- Did some courtesy tidying, but the article looks swell. Hook is interesting (at least to me, a guy who like liturgical books). Hook is cited appropriately in the article, though I had to go in and make sure the quote was attributed appropriately inline. QPQ done. I also reviewed the article for NPP, so that's fun. Anyhow, great work! Sorry you had to wait so long. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:31, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 14
[edit]Mother Solomon
- ... that Mother Solomon (pictured) returned to Ohio 22 years after the Indian Removal Act forced Wyandots into Kansas?
- Reviewed:
Averageuntitleduser (talk) 00:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
- article is recently promoted, long enough and within policy. Hook is short and interesting. AGF on offline source. Averageuntitleduser, do you want to use File:Mother Solomon circa 1880.jpg for the hook? It would be a good pic to use. QPQ is not required. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: thanks for reviewing. The image sounds like a good idea, I added it. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- looks good! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: thanks for reviewing. The image sounds like a good idea, I added it. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 15
[edit]Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b)
- ... that Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b) martyred, and his body consumed, in a Talmud story that is compared to the transfiguration of Jesus?
- Source: Zellentin, Holger (2023). Aras, Martina; Rizk, Charbel; Stosch, Klaus von (eds.). “Honour with Silence the Words of Your Creator” -- Moses’ Silence in bMenaḥot 29b in Light of its Jewish and Christian Context. Beiträge zur komparativen Theologie. Paderborn: Brill . "In my view, the Bavli’s typological reading of Aqiva comes as close as possible to the Christian model, without, however, overstepping the line: Aqiva is perhaps “the one,” but not a new Adam; he is a messianic figure, but not the Messiah; and he is martyred and his body consumed, but he is not yet resurrected."
- ALT1: ... that Biblical and post-Biblical characters rarely meet in Talmudic stories, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred? Source: Jeffrey Rubenstein, Stories of the Babylonian Talmud (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2010), 182–20. "I know of no other story that bridges the typically impermeable break between the time of the bible and the time of the sages ...." In 2002, Rubenstein said, "The juxtaposition of these two characters violates the typically strict separation between the biblical and post-biblical times."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Hutchinson
- Comment: This is a fictional work (story), so DYK facts are about the story's features or interpretation. Another hook: it can be seen as a "failed theodicy" since God tells Moses to be silent in the face of Akiva's torture. But the hook idea is hard to articulate within the time we have.
ProfGray (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
- Comment ALT1 is probably better, but ungrammatical. Better:
- ALT2 : ... that meetings between Biblical and post-Biblical characters, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred, are rare in Talmudic stories? Same refs. Johnbod (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- ProfGray The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I cannot access. A QPQ has been completed. The formatting for the 14th reference is broken. Other than that minor issue, this is great work. SL93 (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind words and for noticing the broken ref, which I just fixed. Would you be willing to complete the review? ProfGray (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I approve the first hook and Johnbod's revision of ALT1. The promoter can choose the hook. SL93 (talk) 02:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind words and for noticing the broken ref, which I just fixed. Would you be willing to complete the review? ProfGray (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Emil Bove
- ... that Emil Bove prosecuted Nicolás Maduro and defended Donald Trump?
– Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu and BeanieFan11: The AP source appears to be wrong: Bove led the prosecution of two of Maduro's nephews, but I couldn't find any other reference saying he prosecuted Maduro himself. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, I believe this is a different case. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:37, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- huh, that's... quite weird. might even make for a good hook itself. but anyways, trout for me :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, I believe this is a different case. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:37, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Kings Theatre (Brooklyn)
- ... that ushers at New York City's Kings Theatre reportedly had to exercise in a basketball court in its basement? Source: Kravis, Hedi (February 12, 1978). "The Best First-Run Movie Houses!". New York Daily News. pp. 426, 427, 439, 442. Specifically page 427.
- ALT1: ... that New York City's Kings Theatre could not be subdivided because one level was too wide and the other was too narrow? Source: Liff, Bob (February 14, 1990). "A Silent Screen on Flatbush Ave. A Once and Future King?". Newsday. pp. 124, 132
- ALT2: ... that before New York City's Kings Theatre was reopened in 2015, there were at least seven unsuccessful attempts to redevelop it? Source: Calhoun, John (2019). "Loew's Kings Theatre: Restoration of a Palace for the Masses". Performing Arts Resources. Vol. 34. pp. 160–176, XIII.
- ALT3: ... that when New York City's Kings Theatre was renovated, workers restored furniture that the theater's former manager had owned for four decades? Source: Dunlap, David W. (April 23, 2015). "Brooklyn Movie Palace Throws Regal Arms Around Restored Lobby Suite". The New York Times.
- ALT4: ... that the opening of New York City's Kings Theatre was postponed three times? Source: "Pictures: Opening of new Loew's Kings". Variety. Vol. 96, no. 7. August 28, 1929. p. 34
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Feelie (Brave New World)
Epicgenius (talk) 03:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting article expansion on fine sources, subscription sources accepted AGF, No copyvio obvious. The image ist licensed and would be a lovely Illustration,going well with ALT2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 16
[edit]Bernard Gray (Sunday Pictorial journalist)
- ... that war correspondent Bernard Gray was killed while travelling as an unofficial passenger aboard a Royal Navy submarine during the Second World War?
- Source: "He was revealed as the only unofficial passenger to sail on a British submarine in the second world war, and the only journalist to die in one. He was killed with 43 other men when enemy aircraft bombed the submarine HMS Urge on her way from Malta to Egypt in May 1942." from: Ezard, John (15 November 2003). "'Piratical' reporter's death on second world war submarine confirmed". The Guardian.
- ALT1: ... that during the 1940 German invasion of Belgium Bernard Gray reported from Brussels alongside Kim Philby, later revealed to be a Soviet spy? Source: "Bernard Gray of London's Sunday Pictorial managed to get into Brussels on May 15 with Harold 'Kim' Philby of The Times, who would years later be revealed to have been a Soviet agent since 1934." from: Moseley, Ray (21 February 2017). Reporting War: How Foreign Correspondents Risked Capture, Torture and Death to Cover World War II. Yale University Press. p. 7. ISBN 978-0-300-22634-8.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Campo Valdés Roman baths
Dumelow (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: New enough and long enough. Hook facts are interesting; I prefer ALT0. Earwig shows 23%, which is explained by the attributed quote and the name of the museum. QPQ is done. Everything looks good. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Bea Hines
- ... that Bea Hines, the first African American woman to become a reporter at the Miami Herald, was sent out to report on a riot on her first day at work?
Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hook meets requirements, though it is not rare for this to happen to reporters. I was able to verify the statement and the article looks good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 18
[edit]White chocolate
- ... that white chocolate (pictured) was originally a coating for a vitamin product Nestlé were making with pharmaceutical group Roche?
- Source: South China Morning Post
NØ 13:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: I congratulate you for getting this to GA status within the past week and would like to see it on the front page. However, I think the hook itself could be better. The hook does describe something interesting, but I would recommend rewording it to be more snappy. Especially since "Nestlé were making" is grammatically incorrect as Nestle is a single entity. Perhaps to make it more concise and thus more enticing to read, cut the second half of the hook starting with "Nestlé were...". Lazman321 (talk) 08:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Some qualification is needed in the hook unfortunately: 1) The Washington Post article indicates that there is only consensus that Nestlé was responsible for the first commercial white chocolate, not white chocolate generally 2) The South China Morning Post article is not a reliable source for history (seen for example in how it implies Henri Nestlé was alive in 1936) but can be used for the attributed claims of Nestlé. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 08:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: "... that white chocolate (pictured) has been used as a coating for vitamin products?" seems to solve both concerns I think, Lazman321 and Rollinginhisgrave.--NØ 09:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Essentially resolves my concerns, thanks for the change. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I approve ALT1. Lazman321 (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've nominated the image for speedy deletion at Commons as a copyvio. Not the nominator's fault, just giving a heads up. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Marie-Thérèse Eyquem
- ... that Marie-Thérèse Eyquem served in the government of Vichy France and was the first woman appointed as a national secretary of the French Socialist Party?
- Source: "En 1975, elle devient la première femme secrétaire nationale du PS" and "Marie-Thérèse Eyquem, forte de son expérience et de son succès au Rayon sportif féminin, est nommée le 17 août 1940 directrice des sports féminins du commissariat à l’Éducation générale et aux sports." Marie-Thérèse Eyquem: Du sport à la politique, parcours d'une féministe p. 18, 47
- Reviewed: n/a
– dudhhr talkcontribssheher 22:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- Passes DYKcheck, hook looks good. Article in good shape. No QPQ needed. CaptainAngus (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Ian Fyfe (Daily Mirror journalist)
- ... that British war correspondent Ian Fyfe was killed on D-Day while landing in a glider with troops attacking the Merville Gun Battery?
- Source: "Ian Fyfe was a Daily Mirror reporter who volunteered to travel across the Channel in a glider to cover the Normandy landings. But the glider crashed in swamps near its planned landing spot near the Nazis’ strategic Merville Gun Battery, and Ian became the only journalist to die on D-Day." from: Parry, Tom (29 April 2022). "Nephew of hero journalist who died in WW2 'emotional' as he visits new memorial". The Mirror. Retrieved 16 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- article is recently created, long enough and within policy. Hook is interesting and short enough. QPQ is complete. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Murad Al-Katib
- ... that Murad Al-Katib provided 700 million meals of Saskatchewan-grown chickpeas, lentils and wheat to a United Nations program for Syrian refugees?
Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Happy to review this one. All elements of the article pass the DYK criteria, hook is interesting and cited. Good to go! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 19
[edit]Jews in the Polish Army
- ... that about 200,000 Jews served in the Polish Army and related formations during World War II? Source: https://www.avotaynu.com/books/PolishOfficers.htm
- ALT1: ... that before World War II, Jews in the Polish Army formed about a fifth of the Polish military medical services? Source: https://bip.ipn.gov.pl/download/4/11804/Zalaczniknr2doSIWZMakieta.pdf (p. 104 of the pdf IIRC)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Qizil Tugh
- Comment: While one could argue that some details from the body might be more interesting, they might also make the hook less neutral. But see ALT1 if you want something weirder.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
- I always rub my hands when I see a nomination by Piotrus. This one, as expected, meets all the main requirements: new enough, long enough, cites sources, checks the neutrality box. ALT1 does not quite cut it, however; I do not see how people can form services. This should probably be amended in the article as well. I removed one extra "Polish" from ALT0, which I think is interesting enough. Surtsicna (talk) 23:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: Thank you :) I think served in this context is fine (people serve in the army...), but how about ALT1a below? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- ...that approximately 200,000 Jews were part of the Polish Army and its affiliated formations during World War II?
- Oh, "served" is fine. It is the ALT1's "formed a fifth of the medical services" that struck me as odd at first but now I get what is meant. Surtsicna (talk) 09:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
.zip (top-level domain)
- ... that despite security concerns about the top-level domain .zip, researchers found it contained slightly less malicious usage than the general internet?
- Source: Deacon, Alex (July 17, 2023). "The .zip TLD: Ripe for abuse, but so far so good". DNS Research Federation.
- Reviewed:
Bobby Cohn (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but the hook rather buries the lede somewhat. Assuming they check out, I suggest ALT1: ... that the release of the .zip top-level domain was condemned by cyber security experts?--Launchballer 02:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- This was a case where I was steeped in the source material and after reading nothing but negativity about the subject, it was the fact that made me go "huh, actually less you say?" But I agree, this is an appropriate summary of the article. I may have also been trying to avoid the pitfall of being too negative, something that came up in my last DYKN. Nonetheless, though I'm not familiar with the process, I endorse the ALT1 in addition to my own phrasing. Bobby Cohn (talk) 02:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: ALT1 works better in my view, as it reads better to a general audience. Article looks god to go. SounderBruce 06:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Grapefruit
- ... that the grapefruit (pictured) is a hybrid fruit and cross between the sweet orange and the pomelo?
- Source: Google Books
- ALT1: ... that the grapefruit (pictured) was described as the "forbidden fruit" in 1750? Source: Google Books
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vollpension
- Comment: ALT1 is found in the source, but I am unsure if the fruit being described there was the grapefruit after reading the part about it in the Wikipedia article. ALT0 might be the safer hook choice considering.
NØ 13:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: JuniperChill (talk) 23:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 20
[edit]Moturoa Island (Bay of Islands)
- ... that in the 1980s when Moturoa Island lost all its endangered kiwi to pest, experts reintroduced seven birds – today there could be as many as 300 kiwis on the island?
- Source: Kiwi were reintroduced to the island in 1984–85, with seven (including three breeding pairs) transported from Waitangi.[1][2] The reintroduction was very successful – Kiwi numbers today have soared. A local landowner said there was 'great debate' over how many Kiwi live on the island, but 'estimates range from 100–300'.[1]
- Reviewed:
Petersmeter (talk) 07:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
- starting review--Kevmin § 00:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- First thing I'm seeing is a number of uncited statements in the article. Each unique fact should be cited.--Kevmin § 00:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Petersmeter Additionally the hook fact needs to be present in the article, right now the article states 100-300 Kiwi (what species?), and does not cover the extirpation of the local population at all.--Kevmin § 00:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Petersmeter: these issues still need to be addressed the nom here updated.--Kevmin § 19:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Kevmin, and thanks for the articles you suggested. I have spent a bit of time expending the article and you should see fairly substantial changes since you last checked. However, I haven't yet made any changes to the hook. I'm not too sure how this works - do you need me to update the did you know on this page now?Petersmeter (talk)
- Petersmeter Good morning, the expansions are great looking, we dont have to worry about length issues now and the sourcing is no longer an issue. First thing we should get cleared up are the areas with citation needed tags. All information in an article should be clear as to what source it came from, so adjusting the citation placements if a fact is from a citation already used, or adding a citation if one doesn't already exist in article.--Kevmin § 17:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Thanks - I have fixed the citations now. Petersmeter (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Petersmeter The Wine comapny website sadly does't meet wp:Reliable for "long island", I'd recommend just removing the second sentence of the etymology section and let readers come to conclusions. I also tagged out a portion of the History section regarding the shoal. The reverend "watching the unloading" is not present in the news article you provisded, it should be sourced or removed.--Kevmin § 17:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Petersmeter we are almost there! The article is well sourced now, has no copy violations and is policy compliant. Our remaining issue is the "400" number in the hook here. Either the hook or the article need to be updated to reflect the same number "100-300" is the amount in the source. Do you have a source for "400"?--Kevmin § 19:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kevmin Feeble excuse, but I think the 400 must have been a mistake. I have changed it to 300 to match the source.Petersmeter (talk) 08:41, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Petersmeter we are almost there! The article is well sourced now, has no copy violations and is policy compliant. Our remaining issue is the "400" number in the hook here. Either the hook or the article need to be updated to reflect the same number "100-300" is the amount in the source. Do you have a source for "400"?--Kevmin § 19:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Petersmeter The Wine comapny website sadly does't meet wp:Reliable for "long island", I'd recommend just removing the second sentence of the etymology section and let readers come to conclusions. I also tagged out a portion of the History section regarding the shoal. The reverend "watching the unloading" is not present in the news article you provisded, it should be sourced or removed.--Kevmin § 17:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Thanks - I have fixed the citations now. Petersmeter (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- All concerns have been addressed. Article new enough, now long enough, sourcing is good, and article written in a neutral manner. no close paraphrasing seen in the article now. hook cited and sourced in article to reliable sourcing that checks out. Looks Good to go.--Kevmin § 17:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b "A Northland island has a very unusual problem... too many kiwi". The New Zealand Herald. Retrieved 20 November 2024.
- ^ Ralph, C John. "Annotated Checklist of the Birds of Moturoa Island, Bay of Islands". Sonic.net. Retrieved 20 November 2024.
Pula Nikolao Pula, Pulu Ae Ae Jr.
- ... that the 2024 American Samoan gubernatorial election was won by Pula and Pulu?
- Source: RNZ
- ALT1: ... that American Samoan legislator Pulu Ae Ae Jr. was known for his "outbursts" which were described as "the stuff of legend"? Source: quote from Samoa News
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oh Hee-ok & Template:Did you know nominations/Carol and Eric Hafner
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To do the two QPQs within 24 hours.If the initial hook isn't considered interesting, I added a ALT hook with just one of the articles.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC).
- Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 19:23, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Adequate sourcing: - Only a few issues. For Pula: ref doesn't say "for several months in 2014" but "intermittently"; maybe "a second time"?; first Republican governor isn't supported by source. For Pulu: Ref doesn't mention Maʻopūtasi County.
- Neutral: - Only one issue: not sure calling him an "important figure" is due since the extraordinary claim is sourced to his campaign site, maybe "involved" is preferred.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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Overall: Whoa, the whole Pula-Pulu thing is catchy! I'm preferring ALT0. Pula is 3312 and Pulu is 2705; Pula moved to mainspace and Pulu created, both on 20 Nov (a week before nom). Earwig gives Pulu Ae Ae Jr. a 41.2% score, but it's mostly quotes. Everything else is good. @BeanieFan11: fix these issues and you're good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: Thanks for the review. Changed the Pula 2014 mention, removed first Republican governor (appears true, but I don't see a source pointing it out), also removed the county, since I can't remember where I got that from. As for the "important figure" part, he's redlinked at Leone, American Samoa for being "the first Samoan Director of Education" and cited to a book on the 'heroes and history makers of American Samoa' – so it seems accurate. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Everything else is good, but yeah, I don't feel comfortable citing the "important figure" superlative stuff to what's technically promotional content, so I'd prefer adding that cited info from the Leone article to the article as a compromise. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: Does this work? BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: That's good enough. I'm AGFing that source so ALT0 approved. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Miraclepine: Does this work? BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Everything else is good, but yeah, I don't feel comfortable citing the "important figure" superlative stuff to what's technically promotional content, so I'd prefer adding that cited info from the Leone article to the article as a compromise. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
1991 Andover tornado
- ... that the 1991 Andover tornado (pictured) narrowly avoided hitting ten Rockwell B-1 Lancers, two of which were equipped with nuclear warheads? Source: https://www.ksn.com/weather/weather-stories/monday-marks-30-years-since-deadly-andover-tornado/#:~:text=It%20destroyed%20102%20base%20housing,had%20nuclear%20warheads%20on%20them.
- ALT1: ... that Andover, Kansas has been hit by numerous tornadoes, including an F5 tornado (pictured) in 1991, and an EF3 tornado in 2022? Source: https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/2022/05/02/andover-tornado-2022-ef-3-damage-path-injuries-wichita-kansas/9611988002/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/HMT Night Hawk
- Comment: Fine, I promise this'll be the last tornado DYK. Funny enough, 2022 Andover tornado was approved today!
EF5 17:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
- @EF5: Please provide a QPQ ASAP. Current QPQ rules require one to be provided at the time of the nomination, and noms can be closed without warning if one is not provided quickly. As it has been almost a week since the nom and no QPQ has been provided, the nomination will be closed if a QPQ is not provided soon. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Done. I don't remember this rule existing earlier this year, when was this set into motion? EF5 13:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's a new rule that was only introduced about a month or two ago following a WT:DYK discussion. Normally I would have just closed the nomination given the length of time that has passed, but given that you may not have been aware of the new rule I decided to ping instead and give a reminder. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Done. I don't remember this rule existing earlier this year, when was this set into motion? EF5 13:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Article new enough, QPQ complete, well-cited to reliable sources, Earwig checks indicate no apparent copyvio concerns. Suggesting the primary hook. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
As Long As You're Mine
... that for Wicked's spooky anniversary special, Ledisi and Adam Lambert performed "fan favourite" "As Long As You're Mine"?Source: https://ew.com/tv/2018/10/29/the-5-best-moments-in-a-very-wicked-halloween- ALT1 ... that the basic tune for "As Long As You're Mine" from 2003's Wicked was written by Stephen Schwartz in the 1970s? Sources: Laird, Paul R. (September 2017). Everett, William A. (ed.). The Cambridge companion to the musical [3rd edition]. Cambridge University Press. Page 12 "How to Create a Musical: The Case of Wicked". ISBN 9781316335468 – via dokumen.pub. Bowkett, Ian (13 September 2021). "A conversation with Stephen Schwartz: Pippin, that Wicked movie and an astonishing career as a composer". MusicalTheatreReview.com.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hikari Kodama
Bogger (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
- Okay, so the article meets the size requirements and was nominated in time. I see in-line citations wherever necessary in it and the QPQ is done. I am a little unsure on ALT0 when it comes to interestingness, so ALT1 would be my preference. For the first hook to be approved too, I believe the words "spooky anniversary special" would have to be added to the article.--NØ 06:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- How about ALT0A below? Happy for ALT1 to be used otherwise. -Bogger (talk) 20:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0A ... that for Wicked's halloween anniversary special, Ledisi and Adam Lambert performed "fan favourite" "As Long As You're Mine"? Source: https://ew.com/tv/2018/10/29/the-5-best-moments-in-a-very-wicked-halloween
- Not a fan of ALT0a due to WP:SEAOFBLUE concerns. Might be better to stick to ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe ALT1 can have the tick.--NØ 22:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not a fan of ALT0a due to WP:SEAOFBLUE concerns. Might be better to stick to ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Brian Higgins (trade unionist)
- ... that Scottish bricklayer Brian Higgins was unable to find work for 25 years after appearing on a construction industry blacklist?
- Source: "Although blacklisting was illegal, many construction companies vetted workers through a clandestine database that identified union members or activists as “troublemakers” ... Brian said: “I started to see it was getting harder to find work. There was plenty of construction work going on, but I was getting knocked back.” He was without work for more than 25 years until his retirement in 2006." from: Pounds, Chris (25 June 2019). "Brian Higgins obituary". The Guardian. Retrieved 13 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Source says "He was without work for more than 25 years until his retirement in 2006", which supports hook. Article says "unable to work in the industry at all from 1981; being supported on the wage of his wife until his retirement in 2006". Accepting per WP:2+2=4. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Transatlantic cables incident
- ... that in 1959, seamen from the warship USS Roy O. Hale (pictured) boarded the Soviet ship M/V Novorossiysk in response to a report from AT&T?
, and Incidents at Sea: American Confrontation and Cooperation with Russia and China, 1945–2016
Chetsford (talk) 01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Chetsford, great idea for an article. Review: created 21 November and exceeds minimum length; sources used look generally reliable (I am not sure about destroyerhistory.org but it is only used to cite the complement of the destroyer involved); article is fully cited inline; I don't have access to all the sources but didn't pick up on any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck; Earwig score is high but only because of the quoted article form the convention (which is PD and appropriate); image is PD (source states from Department of Defense); I can't access the sources cited for the hook but it is stated in the article so I will AGF; QPQ awaited but otherwise looks good - Dumelow (talk) 21:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dumelow - QPQ now done! (For Destroyer History - I did some research on it a couple years ago and posed a question at RSN [12]. It didn't get much interest/response, unfortunately.) Chetsford (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good. I think the additional info you've provided at RSN helps demonstrate reliability - Dumelow (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dumelow - QPQ now done! (For Destroyer History - I did some research on it a couple years ago and posed a question at RSN [12]. It didn't get much interest/response, unfortunately.) Chetsford (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 21
[edit]Á'a:líya Warbus
- ... that rapper Apt Exact, who was described as "not gangster", was elected to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia in 2024?
- Source: "Theresa Warbus, who raps as Apt Exact, of the duo Rapsure Risin’, remembers the reception the First Ladies received originally: "‘Who are these girls? They’re not gangster.’""Warner, Andrea (August 17, 2015). "Inside Canada's Indigenous Hip-Hop Scene With The First Ladies Crew". Pitchfork. Retrieved November 21, 2024.
"Conservative candidate Á’a:líya Warbus has won the Chilliwack-Cultus Lake riding in the 2024 provincial election." Feinberg, Jennifer (October 19, 2024). "Conservative Á'a:líya Warbus wins Chilliwack-Cultus Lake riding". The Chilliwack Progress. Retrieved October 24, 2024.
- Reviewed: Goro Takahashi
- Comment:
Gonna work on the QPQ soon,(Edit: Done!) just wanted to put the finishing touches on the article as soon as I could. For the reviewer, I wanted to add this note, since it can be confusing as Warbus uses several names. Á'a:líya Warbus was born Theresa Point, she was the daughter of former Lieutenant Governor Stephen Point. Point would later marry Kalvin Warbus, and go by Theresa Warbus-Point (or the other way around in some instances), before switching to solely having her surname be Warbus. Within the last two years, she had her name changed to Á'a:líya. Thus, the sources can be here and there with her given name, but it is all her. Older sources call her Theresa Point, sources in the late 2010s-2020s call her Theresa Warbus-Point, Theresa Point-Warbus, or Theresa Warbus, and the most recent ones call her Á'a:líya Warbus. It all can be quite confusing.
Ornithoptera (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The article looks good, but I suggest to the nominator or promoter that a few details be added to the hook to make it more clear for general audiences: 1. Canadian rapper Apt Exact and 2. has been described. Regarding the latter suggestion, using "was" instead of "has been" suggests that this perception has changed, that she is now described as "gangster". This is not stated in the article explicitly or implicitly, because the source and article suggest that the description was based on her musical style, and no mention of it changing exists in the source or article either. Yue🌙 04:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Itim
- ... that the 1976 Philippine film Itim was described as "one of the most remarkable debuts in cinema history"?
- Source: MoMA
NØ 12:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article is of a substantial length and was made a GA on November 21. It was nominated in the proper time frame, and is within policy. No copyright violations detected. The hook length is fine, and the fact is interesting and verified to the cited source. The only issue is that we need to attribute the quote in the hook to the Museum of Modern Art. Once that is fixed I can approve the hook. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Does it need to be attributed within the hook? That would adversely affect catchiness and does not seem to be a requirement looking at recent DYK hooks like this and this.--NØ 11:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've had several of my hook proposals held up in the past when I've done quotes; particularly when they make exceptional claims like the one in this hook. Personally I think attributing the quote to MOMA makes it more hooky not less. But that's just me.4meter4 (talk) 22:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and thank you for that nomination, MaranoFan and thanks for notifying me and for your concern, 4meter4. Rather busy at the moment, sorry. How would you wish to have it phrased if it's attributed? "by XX" seems impossible, as the name of the person is not known only the insitution (by the MoMa does not sound right) ;"in a presentation for a screening at the MoMa"? Not too long?21:07, -Mushy Yank.3 December 2024 (UTC)
Alt1... that the 1976 Philippine film Itim was described as "one of the most remarkable debuts in cinema history" at a 2022 retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art?
- @Mushy Yank Here is my suggested alt. I'll have to get another reviewer to promote it since I wrote it. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 I don't think there was any exhibition stricto sensu, though; it was a retrospective (https://www.moma.org/calendar/film/5516). Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 22:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Mushy Yank I modified it to retrospective.4meter4 (talk) 22:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 I don't think there was any exhibition stricto sensu, though; it was a retrospective (https://www.moma.org/calendar/film/5516). Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 22:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Mushy Yank Here is my suggested alt. I'll have to get another reviewer to promote it since I wrote it. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Need a hook review of Alt 1.4meter4 (talk) 21:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Taking on this review. The article was nominated two days after GA promotion, so it falls within the seven-day timeframe. Since it was already a GA, I will skip the copyright and source spotchecks. I believe ALT1 sufficiently meets DYKDEFINITE and is verifiable with the source. QPQ done. Good to go! —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 06:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Eurovision Song Contest 1984
- ... that booing heard after the UK's entry at the Eurovision Song Contest 1984 was reportedly either a response to past football hooliganism, claims of lip syncing, or alleged plagiarism of the Supremes?
- Source: Luxembourg 1984 Herrey's gladde winnaars festival (in Dutch) "De enige juiste beslissing van al die jury's was de afstraffing van Engeland dat met puur pikwerk van The Supremes hoog wilde eindigen. [...] Maar toen zij gezongen hadden klonk er in de zaal en luid boe-geroep."
Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Good work! Uriahheep228 (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
George K. Teulon
- ... that according to George K. Teulon, all of the presidents and vice-presidents of the Republic of Texas, and four-fifths of its government officials were freemasons?
- Source: "FAQ's—Frequently Asked Questions". Star of the Republic Museum. Archived from the original on September 8, 2018.
- ALT1: ... that according to George K. Teulon, the Lone Star symbol of Texas was chosen because of its masonic symbolism, with the "five-pointed star" alluding "to the five points of fellowship"? Source: "Texas Masonic Pride: Early Beginnings". Grand Lodge of Texas. Archived from the original on May 8, 2009."Masonic Heroes of Texas". Grand Lodge of Texas. Archived from the original on June 3, 2003.
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Aneirinn (talk) 05:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article was nominated within the relevant window and is long enough (extensive quotations do make that a bit hazy, but they're used appropriately). Earwig suggest that there was likely a problem regarding copyright, but a manual check suggested that it was all appropriate quotations and names giving false positives. No images (I think you could add the Texas star in there somewhere!). Not a barrier to running, but the infobox accepts his death as being in Calcutta despite the possibility that it was in Hong Kong; consider providing both possibilities there. Overall, a swell little article—good work! Preference is for ALT1 on basis of it being more interesting to me. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! An image with the star has been added now. I believe that Calcutta is more likely to be the place of his death than Hong Kong because Brown only gives a scant mention of Teulon and the other source seems to be much more certain. Aneirinn (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Reiterating that we're good to go here. Excellent work, Aneirinn, and thank you for the explanation! ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! An image with the star has been added now. I believe that Calcutta is more likely to be the place of his death than Hong Kong because Brown only gives a scant mention of Teulon and the other source seems to be much more certain. Aneirinn (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Bronx General Post Office
- ... that an X-ray machine was once placed in the Bronx General Post Office's lobby? Source: "City Starts TB Hunt". New York Herald Tribune. December 13, 1955. p. 25.
- ALT1: ... that the Bronx General Post Office's roof once had a shooting range? Source: "U. S. Post Office Bronx, New York" (PDF). Architectural Forum. Vol. 68, no. 6. June 1938. p. 481.
- ALT2: ... that the Bronx General Post Office, proposed as early as 1902, was not finished for 35 years? Source: Bronx General Post Office Lobby, First Floor Interior (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. December 17, 2013. pp. 2–3.
- ALT3: ... that the Bronx General Post Office could not get bulletproof shields because it was a landmark? Source: "Barriers: To Protect And Serve". Newsday. March 23, 1995. p. A.07
- ALT4: ... that graduate students visited the Bronx General Post Office to write dissertations about its murals? Source: Kaufman, Michael T. (February 25, 1995). "About New York; On a Bronx Wall, Faded Colors of an Era of Hope". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Castle Knob
- Comment: Credit goes to Pretzelles for suggesting ALT0 and ALT1.
Epicgenius (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Epicgenius. This well-written article, expanded about 12x, is long enough, new enough, and well-sourced. ALT1 is certainly the most interesting. It is cited to a map which identifies the top floor as a "target range". Other hooks are also cited (could not check main hook or ALT3, but assuming good faith). Image free and legible at low resolution. QPQ done. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Goro Takahashi
- ... that Goro Takahashi, a Japanese silversmith adopted by a Lakota family, was the first Japanese person allowed to attend a Sun Dance?
- Source: "In 1979, he underwent the Lakota's sacred "Sundance" ceremony, becoming the first Japanese person to join the ranks of Native Americans." Source: jp:https://www.esquire.com/jp/mensclub/mensclub-fashion/a46294545/goros-part5-20240106/
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Sonovawolf (talk) 05:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: WOW. There is a lot that is honestly blurbable here, including him being the first Native American silversmith in Japan, the Buddhist priest compelling him to continue his work, and even more. Wonderful work on this article Sonovawolf! There's a lot to work with here frankly. The most glaring issue I see at the moment is that the "In 1972...", "In return, Goro bartered...", and "In 1967..." portions are currently unsourced. It's new enough, long enough, and neutral. I'll try and run it through Earwig once I resolve some issues with it. In the meantime, I would advise that you address the concerns above when available! Ornithoptera (talk) 08:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Following up, since I was able to run it through Earwig. 9.9% similarity with some longer segments being similar but those check out. The unsourced sections have now been addressed. I think everything looks good on my end, cheers Sonovawolf! Ornithoptera (talk) 19:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Flora Hommel
- ... that despite being scared of giving birth to her own child, Flora Hommel went on to teach over 17,000 couples the Lamaze technique?
CaptainAngus (talk) 22:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced and neutral. No plagiarism - earwig picks up the long names organisations. Hook is cited and interesting. QPQ is done. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Amalberga of Temse
- ... that St. Amalberga of Temse was rescued by a bear and a sturgeon while trying to escape from Charlemagne? Source: Williams, John T.; Kissin, Eleanor R.; Kissin, Mark W. (18 January 2022). "Miracles, Martyrdom and Violence: Historical Origins of the Patron Saints of Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgery". Cureus. 14 (1): p.3
- ALT1: ... that St. Amalberga of Temse is the patron saint of upper limb injuries because Charlemagne broke her arm while trying to force her to marry him? Source: Williams, John T.; Kissin, Eleanor R.; Kissin, Mark W. (18 January 2022). "Miracles, Martyrdom and Violence: Historical Origins of the Patron Saints of Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgery". Cureus. 14 (1): p.1
- Reviewed: Naz Arıcı
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Overall: Article looks good, was interesting to read. Think it could do with some copyediting, as some of the sentences are quite long and loose, but it's still readable. Only things flagged by Earwig's tool are clear, attributed quotes. The hooks are also interesting, although I think the ALT0 hook twists the story a bit and doesn't make it clear that this is a fantastical story from a hagiography. I prefer ALT1. Grnrchst (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Grnrchst I would suggest that the hook (and the article) should make it clear that the Charlemagne incident is also a legend: the Cureus source refers to
the legend of the assault inflicted upon her by Charlemagne
.- ALT1a: ... that St. Amalberga of Temse is the patron saint of upper limb injuries because of the legend that Charlemagne broke her arm while trying to force her to marry him? Source: Williams, John T.; Kissin, Eleanor R.; Kissin, Mark W. (18 January 2022). "Miracles, Martyrdom and Violence: Historical Origins of the Patron Saints of Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgery". Cureus. 14 (1): p.1
- Thanks for providing this ALT1a hook, I'd definitely approve of this. In any case, I think the hook needs to make it clear that this is a legend, not a necessarily true story. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm okay with ALT1a, too. Thanks for the feedback, all. I'll do another copyedit as per the above request. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps everyone was waiting until I completed the above-mentioned and promised copyedit. That's now done; I also expanded the lead. Thanks, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm okay with ALT1a, too. Thanks for the feedback, all. I'll do another copyedit as per the above request. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for providing this ALT1a hook, I'd definitely approve of this. In any case, I think the hook needs to make it clear that this is a legend, not a necessarily true story. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Jacob Frolich
- ... that Jacob Frolich, the Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1879 to 1885, was a Grand Giant in the Ku Klux Klan?
- Source: He served as Secretary of State of Arkansas for three terms, from 1879 to 1885.(source: Allsopp pp 571-572) Frolich was the Grand Giant of the Ku Klux Klan for White County.(source: Trelease)
- ALT1: ... that newspaper publisher Jacob Frolich built trap doors and hiding places in his house in case it was raided by Radical Republicans? Source: He purchased Curran Hall in Little Rock. He was under scrutiny from the Radical Republican government and Frolich set up trap doors and hiding places in the building in case it was raided.(source: Library of Congress)
- ALT2: ... that Jacob Frolich, the Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1879 to 1885, fled to Canada to avoid arrest for murder? Source: A warrant with no bail was issued for the arrest of Frolich, Dandridge and several other men involved in the murder. Frolich fled to Canada and worked as a printer in Windsor, Ontario (source: Allsopp page 477)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Miles Rock
Dwkaminski (talk) 19:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
- GTG. New and long enuf (expansion checks out); seems neutral. well-written, all 3 hooks check out. Personally I like ALT1 best, but all are good. Pic ok to use, but very low quality. Earwig finds nothing. Johnbod (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
SpongeKnob SquareNuts
- ... that SpongeBob has an existential crisis in a porn parody?
Di (they-them) (talk) 05:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Nice hook and it's cited. The article is in good shape as well, and QPQ is provided here. No copyright violation concerns. The article is definitely...interesting! ~ Tails Wx 06:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 22
[edit]Noel Hilliam
- ... that shipwreck hunter Noel Hilliam claimed to find a sunken U-Boat off the coast of New Zealand?
- Source: In 2008 The Underwater Heritage Group (of which Noel Hilliam was vice-president) announced that they had discovered a German U-boat off the Kaipara Coast. Hilliam claimed the submarine had been 'observed seven times' and three divers had been to it – however, no photographs exist and it has not since been seen.[1][2]
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Petersmeter (talk) 07:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll give this a review. Schwede66 08:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Some content issues first. The date and place of birth are unreferenced, and you either need to reference those or remove the info. There is an unreferenced section (same thing; either reference it or remove the info). Wikipedia use quotation marks (") rather than apostrophes ('); please change this throughout the article. I've fixed up numerous stylistic issues myself. Now to the DYK criteria. The article was new in mainspace when it was nominated. It's long enough. Apart from the parts listed above, it's suitably referenced. Hilliam was a controversial chap, but I'm happy that it's written in a neutral way. Earwig is clean; all it finds are direct quotes. This appears to be the nominator's second DYK nomination, hence a QPQ is not required. The grammar of the hook is off; it would need to be "claimed to have found". The hook fact itself is referenced. Once the above issues are sorted, this is good to go. Schwede66 09:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help with this article Schwede66 - I think I have corrected all the quotation marks, added references for the unreferenced section and added a reference for birth place/date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petersmeter (talk • contribs) 13:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- You will find that Geni.com is not a reliable source; it's listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. I suggest you have a look on PapersPast whether you can find a birth notice in one of the local papers. Schwede66 16:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks - I have trawled through papers past and online am unable to find any other references. So have removed the date and location of birth. Petersmeter (talk)
- Good to go. Schwede66 23:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "U-196 found off New Zealand ?". Uboat.net.
- ^ "German U-boat found in Northland waters, group claims". RNZ. 7 November 2008.
Siege of Ak-Mechet
- ... that during the siege of Ak-Mechet, bored soldiers began stealing watermelons from gardens outside the enemy fortress?
- Source: * Abaza, Konstantin Konstantinovich (1902). Завоевание Туркестана [Conquest of Turkestan p=59] (in Russian). Saint Petersburg: Publishing House of Mikhail Stasyulevich.
- ALT1: ... that during the siege of Ak-Mechet, poor placement of Russian artillery batteries caused them to shoot into each other? Source: * Terentyev, Mikhail Afrikanovich (1906). Историю завоевания Средней Азии [The history of the conquest of Central Asia] (in Russian). Vol. 1. Saint Petersburg. p. 123.
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: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link) - ALT2: ... that after the siege of Ak-Mechet, a commander raised his handkerchief over the conquered fortress because he didn't have a Russian flag? Source: * Terentyev, Mikhail Afrikanovich (1906). Историю завоевания Средней Азии [The history of the conquest of Central Asia] (in Russian). Vol. 1. Saint Petersburg. p. 126.
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Overall: Earwig got weirdly intense about the long quote in the middle, but I don't see any issue here. I have made a small grammatical adjustment, but please feel free to change it if the intended meaning has been disrupted. A small note is that the Venyukov source is in the sources section, but there is no footnote indicating its use. Consider either removing or citing as appropriate. All sources accepted AGF, recommend promoter choose either ALT0 or ALT1. Thanks for your contribution to DYK and Russian military history! ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All
- ... that Glaive recorded the first track for I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All at the age of 17?
- Source: Vulture
- ALT1: ... that Glaive's album I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All opens with a track about suicidal ideation and self-hatred, which he recorded at the age of 17? Source: Vulture, NME, and The Line of Best Fit
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ana Eva Hei
NØ 12:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hooks are interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Trembleuse
- ... that trembleuse cups and saucers enabled people with unsteady hands to drink hot beverages?
- Source: Hillier, Bevis, Pottery and Porcelain 1700-1914: England, Europe and North America (series The Social History of the Decorative Arts), p. 63, 1968, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, ISBN 0297176684
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Du Cann
- Comment: sorry, a bit late - I've been away
Johnbod (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: I can't verify the majority of these sources, but looks good to me. Good job on expanding the article. TheBritinator (talk) 01:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Johnbod there is one uncited sentence I have tagged. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've commented it out for now. It is clearly true, as photos in the article and on Commons show, but I'm not going to hunt for the ref at this time of year. Johnbod (talk) 04:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Tyler Oliveira
- ... that YouTuber Tyler Oliveira apologized after trying to drain a pool with paper towels?
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Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Promoter comment: Epicgenius I think you missed or check the references, on the article, the ref 1 cited a YouTube which is discouraged per WP:RSYT as well as ref 2. Second, on ref 4 cited a Twitter post which is failed on WP:TWITTER. And othe ref was cited YouTube video which is failed on RSYT too, but, in other ref is okay like CNN etc. It should be rejected on this. I'm doubted to promote this. Royiswariii Talk! 04:46, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing up your concern, Royiswariii. I did indeed check these references, but I saw them as WP:ABOUTSELF references published by the subject himself, and thus acceptable. I really don't think this is worth taking any action on, let alone rejecting the entire nomination, but perhaps we can ask for a third opinion at WT:DYK if you disagree. Epicgenius (talk) 05:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Edward W. Gantt
- ... that Edward W. Gantt was a Confederate soldier who defected to the Union during the American Civil War?
- Source: Finley, Randy (2002). ""This Dreadful Whirlpool" of Civil War: Edward W. Gantt and the Quest for Distinction". In Finley, Randy; DeBlack, Thomas A. (eds.). The Southern Elite and Social Change: Essays in Honor of Willard B. Gatewood Jr. Fayetteville, Arkansas: University of Arkansas Press. pp. 64–68. ISBN 1-55728-720-1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hanif Kureshi
- Comment: Driveby nom suggested at WT:DYK; the hook was proposed by @TarnishedPath:.
Launchballer 13:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article promoted to GA on 22 November; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; sources are mostly offline but I found no overly close paraphrasing form the ones I could access; hook fact is interesting, stated in article, it is cited offline but checks out in the Encyclopedia of Arkansas source; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 18:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow, the article can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library at https://muse-jhu-edu.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/pub/189/edited_volume/chapter/2024970 TarnishedPathtalk 01:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Might be worthwhile adding that link to the article rather than just here - Dumelow (talk) 07:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow, the article can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library at https://muse-jhu-edu.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/pub/189/edited_volume/chapter/2024970 TarnishedPathtalk 01:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 23
[edit]Sonya Friedman (opera)
- ... that Sonya Friedman developed the idea of supertitles for opera to translate what is being sung on stage?
- Source: "Queen of captions" - Chicago Tribune
SilverserenC 05:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new and long enough. QPQ is done; Earwig detects no copyright problems. The hook is good and interesting. One small quibble: opera (barring some notable exceptions like The Magic Flute and the non-Guiraudified Carmen), is sung, not "spoken". I'll approve once this is fixed. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed the hook, CurryTime7-24. SilverserenC 04:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Beautiful. Great work! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 24
[edit]Bitcoin buried in Newport landfill
- ... that a Welsh man lost a hard drive with Bitcoin in a landfill site in 2013, and is now suing the council for £495 million?
- ALT1: ... that a Welsh man lost a hard drive with Bitcoin in a landfill site in 2013, and is still trying to recover his missing fortune worth over £500m?
- ALT2: ... that a Welsh man lost a hard drive with Bitcoin worth over £500m in a landfill site in 2013?
- ALT3: ... that a Welsh man lost over £500m worth of Bitcoin in a landfill?
- ALT4: ... that a Welsh man lost approximately £600m worth of Bitcoin in a landfill?
- Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77jx4d5748o
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CNC (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC).
- Given that both hooks seem rather complicated, I wonder if we could just truncate both hooks at "2013", though the final decision could be left to the reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Have added ALT2 for a shorter version. I think the £495m needs referencing as 8,000 Bitcoin is a meaningless number/value to most people, unless this is the purpose of an intriguing and deliberately vague hook though? Not sure. Have amended link placement, but happy for reviewer to tweak and improve as needed. Hooks are not my strong suit, thanks. CNC (talk) 12:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Given that both hooks seem rather complicated, I wonder if we could just truncate both hooks at "2013", though the final decision could be left to the reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Great topic, good hooks, but copyedits to the article are needed. We don't do "overview" sections (that's what the lead is) and many of your sections duplicate material, indicating a disconnect between the various sections. Why else would you say "James Howells, a Welsh computer engineer from Newport" in a totally different section after already telling us this in the previous one? Viriditas (talk) 00:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Have removed the Overview section, totally get your point, and never thought it like that. Have also removed two other use cases where not one of dozens of experienced editors saw it as an issue for reference sake.[13][14] As for the example, I'm not seeing it. Working in IT does not imply you are a computer engineer, nor does working at Bowman communications system (do we know he wasn't just a reception/admin guy there?) as the source doesn't specify his role. I'm not saying it's not better suited to the section above, done, only that I'm not seeing a major duplication here for a description not used in another section, unless I'm missing something here. CNC (talk) 11:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you; the problem wasn't the meaning of the info, the issue was that it was reintroducing Howells to us as if we hadn't previously read about him. This is a common format in articles about crime that have the biography merged into larger topics about crime, so I think this was a relic from a similar crime-related template, which you've now fixed. Reading through now... Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- You can go shorter with the hook: "...that a Welsh man lost a hard drive with Bitcoin worth £495m in a landfill?" Or variations on that theme, such as "...that a Welsh man lost £495m worth of Bitcoin in a landfill?" (58 characters) Viriditas (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done CNC (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good, but try not to link to words before you main hook. The best hooks with the most views have the least number of links, especially links that occur before the main linked article. If you look at the DYK page right now, you'll see this style is dominant for this reason. Viriditas (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Have gone less linky. If that's what editors are into, it's there now. CNC (talk) 00:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's fine. Still doing copyedits. Viriditas (talk) 11:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Have gone less linky. If that's what editors are into, it's there now. CNC (talk) 00:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good, but try not to link to words before you main hook. The best hooks with the most views have the least number of links, especially links that occur before the main linked article. If you look at the DYK page right now, you'll see this style is dominant for this reason. Viriditas (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done CNC (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- You can go shorter with the hook: "...that a Welsh man lost a hard drive with Bitcoin worth £495m in a landfill?" Or variations on that theme, such as "...that a Welsh man lost £495m worth of Bitcoin in a landfill?" (58 characters) Viriditas (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with you; the problem wasn't the meaning of the info, the issue was that it was reintroducing Howells to us as if we hadn't previously read about him. This is a common format in articles about crime that have the biography merged into larger topics about crime, so I think this was a relic from a similar crime-related template, which you've now fixed. Reading through now... Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Moved from draft to mainspace; new and long enough. I just spent several days going through this article and everything checks out. I did fix one minor issue with Earwig, and I found lots of grammar issues, mostly having to do with commas where there should be periods and stultifying passive voice. All of my copyedits were minor, although there were quite a few of them. All the hooks check out, but I favor the shortened ALT3 version. One minor problem that shouldn't hold up this review: the amount of Bitcoin fluctuates over time. In the hook, you have it listed at £495m, but the sources you cite in the hook up above use £220 million in 2021 pounds (The Times) and £500 million in 2024 pounds (BBC). The cited BBC source says: "The hard drive reportedly contains 8,000 Bitcoins – worth around at the time it was binned, but now worth more than £569m since the recent Bitcoin surge." While you should fix that up above (unless you are going with the current price now), that line from the BBC might be an even better hook to consider. Perhaps something that accounts for his initial lost £4m in Bitcoin from 2013 compared to its increase in value to £569m today? Whatever you choose to do, you should look at the £495m figure in the hook to see if it is still supported. Viriditas (talk) 11:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Have changed to "over 500m", as it's suitably vague and that's what the BBC source states (at over 569m), as well as to factor in fluctuating prices etc in order to remain accurate for the time being. CNC (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Have also added ALT4 for "over 600m", in case it's intended to appear sooner than latter. CNC (talk) 18:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Straight-tusked elephant
- ... that the straight-tusked elephant was one of the largest land mammals ever?
- ALT1: ... that remains of a straight-tusked elephant were found with one of the oldest known wooden spears, created by Neanderthals? Source: https://link.springer.com/10.1007/s10816-023-09635-4
- Reviewed: I have less than 5 noms, so not required
Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but I find ALT0 to be the more interesting of the two, though I'd truncate it at "ever" and that statement would require an end-of-sentence citation in any event.--Launchballer 00:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Date, size, GA status, all good. I concur with Launchballer that ALT0 is more interesting (and simpler). QPQ not required but I'll ask User:Hemiauchenia to help with our backlog if they'd like to do "us" a favor. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:55, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
The King of Comedy Visits Shanghai
- ... that The King of Comedy Visits Shanghai depicted Charlie Chaplin in China fourteen years before it happened?
- Source: Kelly, Ned (8 March 2016). "This Day in History: When Charlie Chaplin Came to China". That's Shanghai. Archived from the original on 13 March 2016. Retrieved 24 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that The King of Comedy Visits Shanghai, the first production of the Mingxing Film Company, drew on Charlie Chaplin's popularity in China? Source: Kelly, Ned (8 March 2016). "This Day in History: When Charlie Chaplin Came to China". That's Shanghai. Archived from the original on 13 March 2016. Retrieved 24 November 2024.; Jia, Binwu (2022). "Zheng Zhegu and Performances in Early Chinese Film". Journal of Chinese Film Studies. 2 (2): 261–276. doi:10.1515/jcfs-2022-0002.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC).
- Superbly written and the coverage is probably as thorough as we can hope for (notwithstanding the one-liner "synopsis" which is somewhat amusing in itself---such a pity that the film is lost!!). Ticks all the boxes easily; no signs of copyvio as far as I can see. I like the original hook much better. Cheers, --KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 07:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Shikairo Days
- ... that many fan describe the song "Shikairo Days" as brain rot?
- ALT1: ... that Yuki Waga walked around his house repeating "Shikanoko nokonoko koshitantan" to create the earworm for "Shikairo Days"? Source: [17]
- Reviewed:
Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 05:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC).
- The article is sufficiently new, long enough and free from copyvio or other issues. It is appropriately sourced. QPQ is not required. ALT0 is negative in tone, so I wouldn't use this one. The second hook - ALT1 - is nearly there. It is supported by the source (video interview), but I wonder if ALT1 can be written a little more directly / a little shorter: for example
- ALT1a : ... that Yuki Waga walked around his house repeating "Shikanoko nokonoko koshitantan" to create the earworm for "Shikairo Days"? or
- ALT1b : ... that Yuki Waga created the earworm for "Shikairo Days" by walking around his house repeating "Shikanoko nokonoko koshitantan"? @Miminity: Chaiten1 (talk) 08:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaiten1: Thanks for reviewing. I'd change the ALT1 to ALT1b per your request. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 09:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. Good to go with ALT1 as it now stands! Chaiten1 (talk)
Babak Ganjei
- ... that Babak Ganjei tried to sell a painting of his credit card to Barclays? Source: The Quietus: "Some major financial institutions, like Deutsche Bank and Bank of America, have whole art departments, swathes of liveried curators and indentured experts, to manage their art world acquisitions. The likes of Gerhard Richter will see the red carpet extended to them at JPMorgan, their works the very jewel in a collection going back decades, heavy with Picassos, Rauschenbergs, and Warhols. But when Babak Ganjei tried to sell his painting of a credit card, All the Power to Barclaycard, he didn’t get through to the corporate art department. He got Dan in Customer Services."
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
- This article, created on 24 November, is new enough, long enough, and well-sourced. Hook is interesting and the source checks out. QPQ done. Good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 25
[edit]Nicolaas van Wijk
- ... that after helping provide humanitarian aid during World War I, Nicolaas van Wijk called the Partitions of Poland "an offense against God"?
- Source: van den Baar, p. 32
- ALT1: ... that despite being a critic of communism, Nicolaas van Wijk was suspected of having communist sympathies by Dutch police because he assisted and housed poor Eastern Europeans? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024. pp. 222–223
- ALT2: ... that after meeting Leo Tolstoy's wife, Nicolaas van Wijk's only thought was: "Unhappy land, where the greatest men they have are understood and valued thus"? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024. p. 79
- ALT3: ... that when Nicolaas van Wijk died unexpectedly, the Jewish diarist Etty Hillesum described it as worse than World War II? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024. p. 266
- ALT4: ... that although born to a family of Dutch Reformed preachers, Nicolaas van Wijk supported a Jesuit priest for a professorship, was a doctoral advisor to a Jewish student, and had an Orthodox funeral? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024.
- For preacher family, see p. 11
- For support for the Jesuit, see p. 137
- For doctoral advisor to Jews, see pp. 284–285
- For Orthodox funeral, see * Barentsen, A. A.; Groen, B. M.; Sprenger, R., eds. (1988). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): A Collection of Essays on His Life and Work". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 12. Brill: 79–88. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40996994. Retrieved 12 October 2024. p. 82
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sack of Delhi (1757)
ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
- Excellent article, I recommend WP:GAN! All is good for GA IMHO (which makes it more than ok for DYK), including QPQ. Hooks are fine too. Which one is best I'll leave to the closing admin; if pressed for time, I subjectively like ALT0 b/c it mentions Poland, but objectively they are all about as interesting.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very kindly Piotrus! I plan to get this article to FA at some point, so GA is definitely on the way; feel free to be the reviewer there! I apologize for the tardy thanks; this must have slipped through my watchlist! ThaesOfereode (talk) 03:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Valencia Theatre
- ... that New York City's Valencia Theatre, once known as the "Showplace of Long Island", was later sold for $1? Source: Rabin, Bernard (July 11, 1977). "Switch Valencia Seats to Pews". New York Daily News. p. 302., Maurer, Daniel (December 4, 2005). "Now Showing: God". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that New York City's Valencia Theatre was sold to a church in 1977 for $1? Source: Maurer, Daniel (December 4, 2005). "Now Showing: God". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that the Valencia Theatre was designated as a New York City landmark two decades after its previous owner opposed the designation? Source: Gray, Christopher (April 15, 1990). "Streetscapes: Jamaica's Valencia Theater; a Success Story Masks a Landmarks Law Quirk". The New York Times; Macfarquhar, Neil (May 26, 1999). "Former Movie Palace Is Named a Landmark". The New York Times
- ALT3: ... that the Valencia Theatre, once described as "very striking", was later considered one of its architect's "more modest designs"? Source: "Largest Jamaica Structure Rapidly Nearing Completion". The Brooklyn Daily Times. August 12, 1928. p. 38; Stern, Robert A. M.; Gilmartin, Patrick; Mellins, Thomas (1987). New York 1930: Architecture and Urbanism Between the Two World Wars. New York: Rizzoli. p. 263.
- ALT4: ... that 17,000 people visited New York City's Valencia Theatre on its opening day? Source: Loew's Valencia Theater (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. May 25, 1999. p. 6
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bed Chem (2 QPQs)
Epicgenius (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing... 5xexpanded, reads well, 2xQPQs provided, no copyvio issues, hooks are interesting, ALT1 reads easiest and interesting to me. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 08:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- ... Al hooks in article and folowed by citations containing hook fact (AGF on ALT4 reference). Copyvio issues all relate to titles and names so is okay. The whole article is very well written. Image is clear and free. Thank you Whispyhistory (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Pete Vann
- ... that Army quarterback Pete Vann (pictured) recovered from spinal meningitis to set an NCAA single-season passing record?
- Source: Spinal meningitis (Vann was "afflicted by the dread spinal meningitis" in December 1950 and hospitalized until the end of January).
- NCAA passing record ("he established the NCAA single season record (since broken) for most yards per completion at 23.2").
- Reviewed: First Cathedral of Saint Paul, Bayonet Trench
Cbl62 (talk) 13:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: File:Pete Vann (Army).png is usable as an image hook as it's PD-USGov-Army (sometimes, government entities falsely assert copyright). Bremps... 03:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- article is new enough, long enough and within policy. Hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ done. Cbl62, let me know if you want me to review the photo too. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonzo fan2007: Yes, I see that it is a PD image, so I've added it here. Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 15:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- image is good to go too. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Ovalipes catharus
- ... that one of the major prey groups of the paddle crab, Ovalipes catharus, is other paddle crabs?
- ALT0a:
... that one of the major prey groups of the paddle crab is other paddle crabs?MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Source: "Natural diet of the crab Ovalipes catharus (Crustacea, Portunidae) around central and northern New Zealand" Wear & Haddon 1987
- Reviewed:
- Comment: There are other neat things like the way it uses its paddles to burrow or swim (we even have an extremely cool GIF of the former from iNaturalist), easily the most fascinating aspect is the prolific cannibalism – as much as 1/3 of their diet in some localities, as I recall.
TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: A QPQ is not needed. The article is long enough, has recently passed GAN, and has no copyright violations. ALT0a sounds better, but ALT0 is also fine. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 17:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TryKid: @Mandarax: The only thing that makes me hesitant to just call it the "paddle crab" with no species name is that Charybdis japonica is called the "Asian paddle crab"; to be specific, authors will sometimes refer to O. catharus as the "New Zealand paddle crab". In fact, paddle crab is disambiguated for that very reason. It's a bit messy, basically. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 19:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I just thought it read a little smoother, and didn't realize it might be ambiguous. I struck ALT0a. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Carol and Eric Hafner
- ... that Eric Hafner (campaign announcement pictured) ran for the 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska while serving 20 years in federal prison in New York state?
- Source: https://www.krbd.org/2024/09/03/eric-hafner-advances-to-the-ak-us-house-ballot-from-federal-prison/ "Campaigning for statewide elected office in Alaska can be difficult and expensive, but Hafner faces extra hurdles. For one thing, he’s never been to the state. For another, Hafner is currently serving a decades-long sentence in a medium-security federal prison near Otisville, New York."
- ALT1: ... that Carol and Eric Hafner ran for five United States House of Representatives seats from states they didn't live in, and mostly hadn't visited? Source: https://www.adn.com/politics/2024/09/12/alaska-supreme-court-rules-that-incarcerated-candidate-can-appear-on-us-house-ballot/ "Eric Hafner ... is running as a Democrat for Alaska’s U.S. House seat. He previously ran for U.S. House in Oregon as a Democrat and in Hawaii as a Republican. ... Carol Hafner also ran for Alaska’s U.S. House seat in 2018, and for Wyoming’s U.S. House seat in 2020." The "mostly hadn't visited" needs to be 4 links (no citation for Hawaii): Eric/Oregon https://www.portlandtribune.com/news/candidate-challenges-blumenauer-from-afar-3-000-miles-away/article_bf0df592-09c3-5485-8225-7e8d22fbdb97.html; Eric/Alaska https://www.krbd.org/2024/09/03/eric-hafner-advances-to-the-ak-us-house-ballot-from-federal-prison/; Carol/Alaska https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-alaska-carol-hafner-house-20180718-story.html; Carol/Wyoming https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/elections/out-of-state-democrat-announces-u-s-house-bid-in-wyoming/article_e24f80a3-ef54-5bf2-b982-35fbea047361.html (it does say she planned to visit, but even if she later did, it would mean 3/5 races for states they never visited)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Expandable card game
- Comment: The image isn't great as an image. But as a photocopy of a prison ID for a campaign announcement - it's priceless!
GRuban (talk) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Interesting subject. Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 26
[edit]Yvonne Francis-Gibson
- ... that before she was women's minister of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Yvonne Francis-Gibson led a Women's Desk that was "unable to take a firm stand on behalf of women's issues"? Source: Francis-Gibson served as Minister of State in the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Youth & Women’s Affairs + the head of the Women's Desk was Yvonne Francis-Gibson ... the Women's Desk appeared to be subject to the whims and fancies of the government, and was unable to take a firm stand on behalf of women's issues.
- ALT1: ... that before improving women's rights in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines as a legislator, Yvonne Francis-Gibson led a Women's Desk that was "unable to take a firm stand on behalf of women's issues"? Source: she worked to change laws that discriminated against women in our society. Because of her efforts, female teachers in SVG now have the right to maternity leave, and married women may now file income tax returns separate from their husbands as persons in their own right, among other benefits. + ALT0's second ref
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam (two articles)
ミラP@Miraclepine 00:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:01, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)
- ... that St. Peter's Catholic Church (pictured) in Mendota Heights is the oldest church in continuous use in the state of Minnesota?
- Source: "Saint Peter's Church". Dakota County Historic Sites. Dakota County Historical Society. Retrieved 26 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gutidara
- Comment: Unsourced, non-prose list of pastors was removed as part of the overhaul of the article so manual verification of the prose 5x will be needed; however, the only prose prior to my overhaul was the initial sentence.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
- Note – manual verification is not required; DYKcheck recognizes the 5× expansion. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ has been completed. Article is new enough and long enough. The article has been expanded more than 5x and was nominated within the proper time frame. Article is within policy and no copyright violations are detected. Citations to WP:RS are used throughout. The hook is interesting, the proper length, and verified to the cited source. This hook can be promoted. The picture is in the public domain and is usable. Good work!4meter4 (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Cultural impact of Dragon Ball
- ... that because of the cultural impact of Dragon Ball in Mexico, Goku has been described as "a Latino icon"?
Di (they-them) (talk) 11:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The newly created article and the hook corresponds all of the DYK nomination criteria. Thanks for your great work! -- Pofka (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 27
[edit]Ettore Verna
- ... that according to Billboard baritone Ettore Verna twice "sang himself out of his pants" during a performance at the Boston Opera House?
- Source: "Boston Opera Mess". Billboard. July 20, 1935. p. 18.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nina Tikhonova
- Comment: Moved to mainspace on November 27; 2nd QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Revelation of the Magi
4meter4 (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: New enough and long enough. Hook fact is cited and interesting, but "literally" does not appear in the source. It does say that he did it twice the same night, which could make the hook even hookier. Earwig shows no concerns. You need another QPQ, though, since we're in backlog mode and you have 94 reviews. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492 I think you are reading too much into the term literally. The word literally is in the hook so that its clear the phrase "sang his pants off" isn't interpreted as a figure of speech (as this phrase normally would be; which is why its funny/hooky). It needs to be there so the reader understands his pants literally fell down which is what actually happened as confirmed by multiple sources. Also, I already provided a second QPQ above in the comments section. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi 4meter4. Unfortunately, "literally" is not the answer to your conundrum, as the source makes no indication that the singing was what resulted in the depantsing. Given that it was an opera, physical movement could have easily done it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492 I modified the hook according to your suggestion, and updated the article text. Best4meter4 (talk) 16:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Good to go now. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492 I think you are reading too much into the term literally. The word literally is in the hook so that its clear the phrase "sang his pants off" isn't interpreted as a figure of speech (as this phrase normally would be; which is why its funny/hooky). It needs to be there so the reader understands his pants literally fell down which is what actually happened as confirmed by multiple sources. Also, I already provided a second QPQ above in the comments section. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Kurt Burris
- ... that Kurt Burris was the first American football lineman to finish among the top two in the Heisman Trophy voting?
- Source: The Oklahoman: "Burris finished a strong second ... Sixty-one years later, the Burris campaign remains the closest a lineman has come to winning the Heisman."
- ALT1: ... that Kurt Burris, who finished second in the Heisman Trophy voting, was remembered as a "headhunter" who "usually knocked two or three guys out of a game"? Source:
Same source as above which also says: "Lynn Burris called his brother a 'headhunter. He wouldn’t be able to play today. He usually knocked two or three guys out of a game...'" - Reviewed: Los Justicieros and Mark Smith
- Comment: The first hook is the more extraordinary fact (interior lineman almost never get the kudos) but I acknowledge that the term "lineman" may be less understandable to non-USA readers. Accordingly, I have linked the term and have also included alt 1 which, albeit less extraordinary, may be more accessible to a broader audience.
Cbl62 (talk) 17:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Just the one sourcing issue; I don't see anything of issue otherwise with this nom. First hook clearly more interesting than the ALT. Pass; prefer ALT0 to ALT1. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: Courtesy ping to ensure you've seen this was reviewed. ThaesOfereode (talk) 19:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ThaesOfereode: Thanks. Sourcing fixed. Cbl62 (talk) 19:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: Looks good. Pass. ThaesOfereode (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Mirza Ebrahim Khan Sahhafbashi
- ... that the first commercial movie theater in Iran was open for less than a month?
- Source: *Hamid Naficy, A Social History of Iranian Cinema, Volume 1: The Artisanal Era, 1897–1941, page 27
- Iranian-Russian Encounters Empires and Revolutions Since 1800, page 325-326
- Companion Encyclopedia of Middle Eastern and North African Film, page 132
- ALT1: ... that the first commercial movie theater in Iran featured a lecturer to explain to audiences what was shown on screens? Source: *Richard Abel, Encyclopedia of Early Cinema, page 331
- Reviewed:
Kazamzam (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC).
- DYK hooks have to link to the article in question, so BOLDLY proposing
- ALT2 ... that Mirza Ebrahim Khan Sahhafbashi opened the first commercial movie theater in Iran, only for it to be banned within a month?
- Feel free to workshop. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I like it! I would’ve gone with something similar but I wasn’t sure that including the name of someone pretty obscure would be a good hook. I wanted to focus more on the movie theatre itself opening but I’m not super experience in the DYK realm so happy to take advice! Kazamzam (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
The article is recently expanded 5x, and eligible for DYK. There are no copyvio or related issues, and the article is very well supported with good sources. QPQ is not needed. The hook for ALT2 is to the point, and fully supported by at least 2 sources, which are cited appropriately in the text. This hook works for me. Fascinating article, thank you! Good to go. Chaiten1 (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Mary Mellor
- ... that sociologist Mary Mellor (pictured) argued that the COVID-19 pandemic increased the impact of the patriarchy on women, both at home and in the wider economy? Source: "Life for women has become much more complicated since the beginning of the crisis ...It comes down to two types of patriarchy. One is patriarchy in the home. Are men changing their behaviour, and if so, will they sustain that change after this crisis is over? And then there’s the patriarchy of the wider economy." https://web.archive.org/web/20230130004544/https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/the-cost-of-care-rethinking-value-in-times-of-crisis/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flora Hommel
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One QPQ to goQPQ2 Template:Did you know nominations/Rada Dyson-Hudson
Lajmmoore (talk) 22:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be reviewing this shortly. SilverserenC 04:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Article was moved to mainspace on the 27th, so is new enough. At around 4000 characters, it is long enough. The article properly uses in-line citations and reads neutrally. The copyvio detector just finds locations, job positions, and book titles, so no problems there. The hook is interesting, cited in-line (I've confirmed the corresponding text), and is the right length. It'll be funny to see if there's any angry talk page comments when this hook runs. Both QPQs have been done and the proposed picture is released under a usable CC license. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 04:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
The Minnesota Pioneer to its Patrons
- ... that American president Zachary Taylor is mentioned in a poem about the conversion of Saint Paul?
- Source: Goff, Matt (Spring 2021). "Not Everything You've Heart about Pig's Eye Parrant is True" (PDF). Ramsey County History. Ramsey County Historical Society. pp. 23–24. Retrieved November 27, 2024. "The Minnesota Pioneer to its Patrons". The Minnesota Pioneer. January 2, 1850. p. 4. Retrieved November 28, 2024.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 06:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, hook, qpq (albeit still in discussion), close paraphrase check ok. --Soman (talk) 12:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Beechcraft BQM-126
- ... that the 1980s Beechcraft BQM-126 target drone could be launched from aircraft based on aircraft carriers?
- Source: "The BQM-126A can be launched from carrier-based tactical aircraft..." [18]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1991 Andover tornado; Template:Did you know nominations/Tetris (Spectrum HoloByte)
The Bushranger One ping only 05:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi The Bushranger, review follows: article created 27 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout; sources used generally look to be reliable, could you comment on the reliability of the Directory of U.S. Military Rockets and Missiles, is Andreas Parsch established as an expert in the field? hook is probably interesting enough (I couldn't see anything obviously more interesting and it seems that launching from carrier-based aircraft was farily novel for target drones of the time; perhaps adding "1980s" into the hook might be helpful), and checks out to source cited; two QPQs have been provided as per backlog mode; I didn't spot any overly close paraphrasing from the sources. If you could comment on Parsch, I think this should be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 09:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Parsch is considered generally reliable - he cites his sources well and is widely regarded as an authority on missiles, drones, and U.S. military aircraft designations, and keeps his data up-to-date. I've added "1980s" to the hook as suggested. Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi The Bushranger, thanks for the confirmation. Happy to approve - Dumelow (talk) 09:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
First Cathedral of Saint Paul (Minnesota)
- ... that the City of Saint Paul, Minnesota was named after a log chapel (pictured)?
- Source: Williams, John Fletcher (1876). A History of the City of Saint Paul, and of the County of Ramsey, Minnesota. Minnesota Historical Society. pp. 111–112. Retrieved 27 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2014 NFC Championship Game
- Comment: File:First Cathedral of Saint Paul.jpg also is a suitable image.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 20:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough (created 11/27) and long enough (approximately 2140 characters of narrative text, excluding the block quote). Earwig (here) detects no issues. It is generally well-written and sourced; one exception to that is the sentence which asserts in wiki-voice that the poem has also been proclaimed by Galtier, though "this seems apocryphal." I am not permitted full access to the Star Tribune piece without subscribing -- can you provide a quote that substantiates this claim? As for the hook, I find it quite interesting, and it's succinct and cited. QPQ is satisfied. @Darth Stabro: If you can provide the requested verification mentioned above, this will be ready to go. Cbl62 (talk) 14:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Cbl62, I've reworded the sentence and linked the source in a different way that should allow you to see it. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- The image has a PD license, shows up well at 100x100px, and adds to the hookiness in that a major city was named after this small log chapel. Cbl62 (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- With the revision/clarification above by Stabro, this is now good to go. Cbl62 (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 28
[edit]Shalom Nagar
- ... that Shalom Nagar, executioner of war criminal and Nazi Party official Adolf Eichmann, said he was selected at random for the role?
- Source: BBC: Shalom Nagar, hangman of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann, dies - "He said he was selected at random to carry out the execution, and Eichmann was hanged on 30 May 1962."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Chalmers
- Comment: Nominating on the assumption the current AFD keeps going the way it looks like it is. Please don't review until that's closed.
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 11:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
- AfD is now closed. The article is new enough and long enough for DYK, and is neutral in tone and well sourced. The copyvio score is yellow, simply due to a cited quotation, so this is fine. The hook is interesting and appropriate in tone for the topic; it is validated by the cited source. QPQ has been done. Good to go! Chaiten1 (talk) 18:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Shō Sen'i
- ... that Shō Sen'i was overthrown in favor of his thirteen-year-old nephew?
- Source: Smits, Gregory (2019). Maritime Ryukyu, 1050–1650. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctvsrfmz. ISBN 9780824877095. pages 89–90, 128
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
- Hello, I'll be taking this. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Seems long enough. 5x expansion checked. Hook seems interesting in my opinion. I'm not familiar with DYK, but the automated text here demands 2 QPQs while only 1 has been given. Earwig is at 2.9%. Seems like the stupid website doesn't give me access to the book, so I'm resorting to AGF. I sure do hate books on Wikipedia.
Okay, I've checked for information, and the information seems to be good. I can't see the book you got the information from, but at least I'll be sleeping knowing that it's correct. QPQ is good per below, so... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 06:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @AlphaBetaGamma: Just so you know, Template:Did you know nominations/Third Cathedral of Saint Paul (Minnesota) includes two articles, which should technically be equivalent to two QPQ reviews. Epicgenius (talk) 04:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Sing-Song Girl Red Peony
- ... that the titular songstress in Sing-Song Girl Red Peony, China's first sound film, was overdubbed by a man?
- Source: *Yeh, Yueh-Yu (2002). "Historiography and Sinification: Music in Chinese Cinema of the 1930s". Cinema Journal. 41 (3): 78–97. doi:10.1353/cj.2002.0012. JSTOR 1225700. " Besides being the first talkie, The Songstress Red Peony is notable for another reason: it features China's opera master, Mei Lanfang, known for his creation of China's most memorable female characters on stage. When China began producing films, Mei quickly made a smooth crossover to the silver screen and starred in several opera documentaries in the 1920s. As a close associate of people in the film industry, Mei agreed to sing in the first Chinese talkie, by dubbing over the vocals of the"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Verificado 2018 Template:Did you know nominations/Puff-puff (onomatopoeia)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Hook is interesting and checks out, even when consulting the other sources. With regards to the rest of the article, I spotchecked material cited to Chinese National Cinema, Historical Dictionary of Chinese Cinema, and used Google translate to check 于无声处听惊雷 ——浅析中国早期有声电影的试制 and 歌女红牡丹. Everything seems okay content and copyright wise. I know it hasn't been submitted, but I checked the licensing on the lead image and it's valid. (It fell into the public domain well before the 1996 URAA restoration). Article is long enough and new enough, and the hook is leads the reader to just an all-around interesting article. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 29
[edit]Debra Toporowski
- ... that Debra Toporowski served simultaneously on the Cowichan Tribes council, on the North Cowichan council, and as acting mayor, before being elected to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia?
- Source: "A member of Cowichan Tribes, Toporowski is a two-term elected councillor in the municipality of North Cowichan and a five-time councillor of Cowichan Tribes, the first elected woman to hold positions on two councils at the same time." Barron, Robert (4 November 2024). "Toporowski resigns from her council seat in North Cowichan". Lake Cowichan Gazette. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
"Toporowski was first elected to North Cowichan council in 2018 and again in 2022. She currently serves as acting mayor. She lost her seat on Cowichan Tribes council in 2022, but was elected again in 2024 to a four-year term." Pynn, Larry (May 14, 2024). "Debra Toporowski takes NDP nomination in Cowichan Valley by acclamation". Six Mountains. Retrieved October 20, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that before 1985, Debra Toporowski was unable to receive Indian status, because under the Indian Act, her mother was forced to relinquish her status because she had married a Chinese Canadian man? Source: "Before 1985, Debra Toporowski (Cowichan) could not be a member of the Cowichan Tribes because her Cowichan mother had married a Chinese Canadian man in Duncan. The Indian Act forced her mother to give up her status as a member of the Cowichan Nation." Claxton, Nicholas XEMŦOLTW̱; Fong, Denise; Morrison, Fran; O’Bonsawin, Christine; Omatsu, Maryka; Price, John; Sandhra, Sharanjit Kaur (2021). "Challenging Racist "British Columbia": 150 Years and Counting". CCPA-BC. University of Victoria and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (BC Office). Retrieved 2 December 2024.
- ALT2: ... that a local reporter described the vote count for Cowichan Valley as a "back-and-forth battle" taking place between Debra Toporowski and the second place Conservative candidate? Source: "The riding's next MLA will be Debra Toporowski, who won a back-and-forth battle with the Conservative's John Koury." Simpson, Sarah (20 October 2024). "B.C. ELECTION: NDP wins tight race in Cowichan Valley riding". Cowichan Valley Citizen. Retrieved 29 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Upper Chehalis people Template:Did you know nominations/Lower Chehalis people
- Comment: Thank you in advance to the reviewer! This is the third in an unofficial series of four on articles regarding the Indigenous MLAs elected during the 2024 BC provincial election.
QPQs will be completed within the next few days.Done, per below. ALT1 truthfully is not the most outstanding, probably thousands were disenfranchised because of that exact provision. If someone is familiar with the loss of status due to the Indian Act, one can understand Toporowski's case is not unique. Larry Grant was another individual whose status was unrecognized because of that same provision. However, it can serve as an educational tool for those unfamiliar with those provisions.
Ornithoptera (talk) 07:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
- @Ornithoptera: Note that per current QPQ rules, "QPQs will be completed within the next few days" will not suffice: it has to be immediately, and the nomination can be closed if one is not provided promptly. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well... They're done now, thanks for the heads up. Ornithoptera (talk) 11:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- New enough (expanded Nov 28), long enough (7900 B), well-sourced (lots of local newspapers, but they all seem reliable), no copyvio (Earwig flags only simple, short phrases). All hooks verified in sources. ALT1 is definitely the most interesting. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 06:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Adrien Nunez
- ... that dispite limited playing time, Adrien Nunez (pictured) was higher paid than some NBA draft lottery picks while in college?
- ALT1: ... that when student athlete compensation was approved in 2021, Adrien Nunez (pictured) became Michigan basketball's top earning player, despite his small role on the team? Source: https://www.maizenbrew.com/basketball/2021/10/29/22749055/michigan-basketball-adrien-nunez-player-profile-2021-22
- ALT2: ... that less than three months after Adrien Nunez (pictured) released his own music, Billboard announced he was signed by Warner Music?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zhou Jianyun
TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC).
- @TonyTheTiger: DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode so you will need to provide a second QPQ for this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: That's a double nom.--Launchballer 15:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- I see, but it should have been mentioned in the nom to avoid confusion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: That's a double nom.--Launchballer 15:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Johannes Kaiser
- ... that Johannes Kaiser left the Progressive Citizens' Party in Liechtenstein in 2018, but re-joined a year later?
- ALT1: ... that Johannes Kaiser was an independent member of the Landtag of Liechtenstein from 2018 to 2019?
- ALT2: ... that Johannes Kaiser was considered the leading opponent to Liechtenstein's accession to the International Monetary Fund? Source: https://www.vaterland.li/liechtenstein/politik/regierungschef-risch-fordert-den-abgeordneten-kaiser-auf-bei-den-fakten-zu-bleiben-art-574259
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trembleuse
TheBritinator (talk) 01:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC).
- I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 12:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you for this interesting window into Liechtenstein's politics. I prefer ALT2, because It is the only one of the three hooks which can be understood instantly by international readers, without clicking on the political link. However, I'm not going to strike any hooks, because technically they are fine.
- I have given the article a minor copyedit. That does not affect this review.
- Hook citations are taken in good faith (AGF) because the sources have paywalls, and I don't speak the language, anyway.
ALT0 needs to mention Liechtenstein, If you can clarify ALT0 to say that it's about Liechtenstein, then this hook will be good to go.Storye book (talk) 13:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Done. TheBritinator (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, TheBritinator. Good to go. Storye book (talk) 14:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Done. TheBritinator (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Grid energy storage
- ... that energy on the grid can be stored in sand and salt?
- ALT1: ... that electric cars may provide enough storage by 2030 via vehicle-to-grid to meet all short-term grid energy storage needs? Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35393-0
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Palaeotherium
—Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
- Good nomination! Either original hook or ALT1 is fine, though I would spell out "electrical power grid", not just "grid". —RCraig09 (talk) 17:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Article reached GA status on November 29 and was nominated in the proper time frame five days later. As one would expect from a GA article, it is long enough and is within policy with no copyright violations. Both hooks are interesting, verified to inline citations, and are usable. I will leave it to the promoter to decide which hook to use. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys
... that Taylor Swift's song "My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys" compares falling out of love to a toy being no longer of use?
- Source: The Hollywood Reporter
ALT1: ... that Taylor Swift's song "My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys" contains lyrical references to Barbie?Source: AP News- ALT2: ... that Taylor Swift released a demo containing lyrics that were trimmed from the final version of her song "My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys"? Source: People
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Americans
Ippantekina (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough. Hook facts are cited, supported. Earwig is very unhappy, but basically everything highlighted is the title of the album or the song. There is, however, an issue: neither proposed hook passes the threshold set by WP:DYKFICTION, as they focus solely on the creative content of the work rather than real-world factors. Something that focuses on real-world factors, such as Swift performing the song as piano solo to surprise audiences during the Eras Tour, would be necessary. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the review. I've added an ALT2, let me know if that works! Ippantekina (talk) 02:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Looks good. Approving ALT2 only. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the review. I've added an ALT2, let me know if that works! Ippantekina (talk) 02:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Bæddel and bædling
- ... that bædlings may have been a third gender in Anglo-Saxon society?
- Source: Wade, Erik (2020). "The Beast with Two Backs: Bestiality, Sex Between Men, and Byzantine Theology in the Paenitentiale Theodori". Journal of Medieval Worlds. 2 (1–2). doi:10.1525/jmw.2020.2.1-2.11. page 23
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fisheries in the Philippines (5th of 5 QPQs) Template:Did you know nominations/WZAZ
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
- Nice work on this article, I'm surprised we didn't already have it. The page is long enough, new enough, and well-sourced. Both QPQs done. Hook interesting, short enough, and sourced. Exact wording in the article is "Clark notes that bædling might imply a third gender but suggests that there is not enough evidence for this". Good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Civilized drama
- ... that critics argued that involving actresses in civilized drama would promote obscenity?
- Source: Liu, Siyuan (2009). "Performing Gender at the Beginning of Modern Chinese Theatre". TDR: The Drama Review. 53 (2): 35–50. doi:10.1162/dram.2009.53.2.35. JSTOR 25599473. "In fact, wenmingxi's debate over the appropriateness of having actresses assume female roles essentially focused on the issue of citationality, with its supporters arguing that the practice was more natural than female impersonation and its opponents resorting to moralistic arguments that held that mixed-gender casting resulted in obscenity."
- ALT1: ... that the civilized drama was used to promote revolution? Source: Zhong, Dafeng; Zhang, Zhen; Zhang, Yingjin (1997). "From Wenmingxi (Civilized Play) to Yingxi (Shadowplay): The Foundation of Shanghai Film Industry in the 1920s". Asian Cinema. 9 (1): 46–64. doi:10.1386/ac.9.1.46_1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Adrenal crisis, Template:Did you know nominations/Peanut (squirrel)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be reviewing this shortly. SilverserenC 04:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Article was moved to mainspace on the 30th, so is new enough. At over 7000 characters, it is more than long enough. The copyvio detector can't seem to do much with these sources, but my spot-checks seem to show no issues off-hand. I assume good faith on those I can't access, including the quotes presented for the hook sources above. The hooks presented are interesting, though I find the main hook to be the preferable one for interesting-ness. Both are cited in-line in the article and the article as a whole properly uses in-line citations and reads neutrally. Both QPQs have been done and everything looks good to go. On a personal note, Crisco 1492, I do hope you end up making an article on huaju in the future as well, because that also seems quite interesting. SilverserenC 04:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's the plan! It's prominent enough to have a Britannica article, so it is definitely worth it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Antiquiala
- ... that the Washington state dragonfly Antiquiala (pictured) was described from a single wing?
- Source: Archibald & Cannings 2019 paper Type material. Holotype hind wing SR 08-10-08A, B (part, counterpart), missing the basal portion posterior to the supratriangle to the level of the nodus.
- ALT1: ... that the dragonfly name Antiquiala translates to "Ancient wing"? Source: Archibald & Cannings 2019 paper Antiquiala is derived from the Latin antiquus, “ancient” and ala, “wing.” Gender, feminine.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Actinote zikani
- Comment: Also reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Fishing cat
Kevmin § 00:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
- Both hooks good (though I suspect that hook 1 is more likely to be chosen). I would recommend that you expand the lede a little more and add temporal range information to the taxobox (if you don't know more precise ranges, just list "Early Eocene." PrimalMustelid (talk) 11:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Precise fossil range added, I seem to have totally forgot about it during the initial article outlining when i normally add it. (51-49mya Ypreisan). I also added a bit more to the lede.--Kevmin § 17:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 30
[edit]Two Stars in the Milky Way
- ... that although Two Stars in the Milky Way (pictured) is one of few surviving early Chinese films, its soundtrack has been lost?
- Source: *Ma, Jean (2015). "Listening to Early Chinese Sound Film: Two Stars in the Milky Way" (PDF). Cine-Files. 8: 1–5. Archived from the original (PDF) on 24 September 2021. Retrieved 30 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Two Stars in the Milky Way (scene pictured) used intertitles for dialogue and sound for singing? Source: *Ma, Jean (2015). "Listening to Early Chinese Sound Film: Two Stars in the Milky Way" (PDF). Cine-Files. 8: 1–5. Archived from the original (PDF) on 24 September 2021. Retrieved 30 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ettore Verna, Template:Did you know nominations/Mo Tzu-yi
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
- Excellent work. The article is well-written, long enough, free of copyvios, and has appropriate citations. AGF on the source for the hook. Inline citation is presented at the end of the sentence which forms the basis of the hook. QPQs done. Hooks are good, but ALT0 is definitely the better of the two. We're good to go here! ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC) PS: Images are fine. Realized I hadn't said that.
1917 Moscow District Duma elections
- ... that in the 1917 Moscow District Duma elections, the Bolshevik Party won 97% of the votes of the soldiers at the heavy artillery workshops?
- Source: В. В. ДЕМИДОВ. Борьба московских большевиков за массы в период выборов в городскую и районные думы в 1917 году. Издание Томского государственного университета, 1952. pp. 74-75, 77, 79, 83, 91-92, Муниципальная жизнь. Вперёд!, September 27, 1917. p. 4
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Minnesota Pioneer to its Patrons, Template:Did you know nominations/Jonas Vaidutis
Soman (talk) 12:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Offline Russian-language source accepted in good faith. Slight recommendation to say "over 97%" since it was technically 97.4%, but I will leave it up to you (or the promoter) whether to change it or not. ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- second qpq added now. I'm ok with 'over 97%', but also think that it is normal to do rounding to closest number in these situations. --Soman (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Pass. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
The Bootleggers (Hopper)
- ... that The Bootleggers portrays the illegal alcohol trade during the Prohibition era of the Roaring '20s?
- Source: Hopper, Edward (1925). "The Bootleggers". Currier Museum of Art. Retrieved 30 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Remarks at the Islamic Center of Washington
- Comment: Second QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Prius Missile
Viriditas (talk) 00:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC).
- , seems to meet the checklist items and the hook summarizes the topic well. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Jane Stuart Smith
- ... that after becoming a born again Christian, soprano Jane Stuart Smith abandoned a successful opera career to pursue a life of Christian service?
- Source: Amy Friedenberger (January 18, 2016). "Jane Stuart Smith traded opera career for God's work: The Roanoke native found a new purpose in life at the height of her singing career". The Roanoke Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chen Qiyou
- Comment: Moved to mainspace on 11/30/2024; 2nd QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Aaj Ki Raat (2024 song)
4meter4 (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. Thriley (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Article created 30 November. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQs are done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 17:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Epic: The Musical
- ... that the creator and recording company of Epic: The Musical sued each other for ownership?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/David Fishwick (2nd nomination) and Template:Did you know nominations/Packers–Seahawks rivalry
Di (they-them) (talk) 22:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
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Overall: Honestly, the entire concept of this album is fascinating. Article is new enough and long enough. Hook fact is interesting and cited - though I believe the structure is more interesting personally. Lede is a bit short, missing the reception and the production information. Earwig shows some issues, but these are all attributed quotes. Almost there! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492: Thanks for the review, I've update the lead to include more information about production and reception. Additionally, since you said that the structure is more interesting, I'll suggest an alt hook:
- ALT1: ... that a musical adaptation of Homer's Odyssey is structured after video game level progression?
- I'm also open to more alt hooks! Di (they-them) (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. Everything looks good!Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 01:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
WZAZ
- ... that a Florida radio station DJ's attempt to break a world record was foiled by blown transmitter tubes? Source: https://www.genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2:1562C9E4356B8C4D@GB3NEWS-19C8E2442631ECAF@2446391-19C8DCE853630782@45-19C8DCE853630782?clipid=kzfqvrnkvzuxkzqyrmukdtmfxfhmyoym_ip-10-166-46-69_1733033660609
- Reviewed: Adrian Baril and 2011 Central Alabama tornado
Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
- Short but quality article. Hook is interesting and checks out with the source, and the QPQs are solid. No evidence of copyvio or anything thatd prevent this from running. Looks good to me! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 1
[edit]Aquilegia barykinae
- ... that the columbine Aquilegia barykinae is likely less closely related the similar-looking Aquilegia amurensis that shares its range than to other columbine species?
- Source: [19]
- Reviewed: 1.) Template:Did you know nominations/KCTV, 2.) Template:Did you know nominations/Self-Portrait (Ellen Thesleff), 3.) Template:Did you know nominations/Tema "Sacher", 4.) Template:Did you know nominations/Ken Battle
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Pbritti (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC).
- Starting review--Kevmin § 19:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Articles are new enough and long enough. Each is fully cited and neutral in composition. Checking of available references shows no copyvio or close paraphrasing issues. The hook is rather clunky as presented, can you trim it to flow a bit better?--Kevmin § 18:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Will trim shortly. Thanks for the review. Nearly missed your comment; please remember to use the
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template when you identify a problem! ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)- Below is ALT1:
- "... that Aquilegia barykinae is likely more closely related to other columbine species than to Aquilegia amurensis, which shares its range?"
- Below is ALT1:
- @Kevmin: Will trim shortly. Thanks for the review. Nearly missed your comment; please remember to use the
- Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Articles are new enough and long enough, both are well cited as is to be expected for a recent description and an older taxon. Articles are neutral in writing and don't have any visible policy issues. "Alt1" preferred as the more concise nomination. Looks good to go.--Kevmin § 17:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Articles are new enough and long enough. Each is fully cited and neutral in composition. Checking of available references shows no copyvio or close paraphrasing issues. The hook is rather clunky as presented, can you trim it to flow a bit better?--Kevmin § 18:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Tellus (app)
- ... that even though California-based company Tellus does not possess a banking license, it offers non-FDIC-insured interest-bearing demand deposit accounts to consumers? Source: Barron's 1
- ALT1: ... that 68% of funds lent by Tellus between April and December 2023 were given to affiliates of one real estate investment firm to invest in Silicon Valley housing? Source: Barron's 2
- ALT2: ... that California-based startup Tellus pivoted from being a property management app to a consumer-facing financial services company? Source: Barron's 1
- ALT3: ... that while Tellus packages together cash from multiple consumer depositors to make real estate loans, and is not FDIC-insured, it states that it does not offer mortgage-backed securities to consumers? Source: TechCrunch
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cherry on Top (Bini song) Template:Did you know nominations/Dithapelo Keorapetse
- Comment: QPQs completed.
— Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
- This is not a review but rather than a comment, but ALT0 and ALT3 will probably have to be rejected due to both WP:DYKINT concerns (reliance on specialist terms that may not be easily understood by non-financial savvy readers, especially outside the US) and for also sounding rather promotional. ALT2 might be the only suitable option at this point. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I understand how one could read Alt0 to be promotional (though I disagree and don’t see why non-insured demand deposit accounts are appealing but for their higher rates, which isn’t in the hook). But I’m really not sure how Alt3 could be seen that way—it’s highlighting that they don't purport to offer mortgage-backed securities even though they make what appears (to at least some professors cited in the body) be some sort of securitized loan offering without registration. That being said, I do take your point that people who don’t know much about managing their finances through investment could find these two hooks’ nuances hard to understand.Separately, I had been considering a book about the mysterious non-existent partnerships with banks that are mentioned in the article and were the subject of Senate scrutiny, but I couldn’t figure out a way to write it concisely in hook form without oversimplifying. I’ll take a crack at that over the next couple days with a clear head. — Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 16:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you for this carefully-detailed article about financial wheeler-dealing. Contrary to above comments, it would seem to me that any intelligent person can smell he stink emanating from that dodgy company, no matter what country they are in. So well done for alerting us to it, and well done for writing hooks which may guide readers to take a good look at the article. I could tell from the hooks alone that there was something very unsafe about the company's handliing of money, so I would certainly not take the hooks as obscure or uninteresting.
Good to go, with a preference for ALT3, even though it has 199 characters (i.e. close to the max of 200). Please do not prune ALT3, because this kind of financial detail is important and should not be messed about with. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 13:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Red-tailed hawk, am I right to read "and is not FIDC-insured" as only indirectly relevant to the rest of the hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: I am going to give a long-winded answer for posterity’s sake, but the short answer is that it is directly relevant.
- The way that the fractional-reserve banking systems works (in a very simplified way) is that banks receive deposits from customers and pool those funds to make loans, while keeping only a minimal small fraction of deposits as actual cash on hand. Banks receive interest payments from the loans they have made, and in turn provide customers with interest in their deposit accounts. In the U.S., banks are required to be FDIC insured—this keeps confidence in banks and prevents a bank run.
- Tellus, however, is not a licensed bank. As such, it doesn’t answer to the banking regulators. It also doesn’t hold FDIC insurance, as non-bank financial firms aren’t eligible for it.
- There is another to pool money from several individuals in order to issue a loan—securitization. In the mortgage industry, it is common for mortgage issuers to sell mortgages to other banks and Qualified institutional buyers, who would collect the interest in the long run. A mortgage-backed security is a financial instrument that is backed by these sorts of mortgages (alone or pooled with others); the security is broken into shares which are then distributed to other parties. Unregistered securities exist, and can even be sold between third-party banks and other QIBs under SEC rule 144A, but the big rule is that you can’t sell them to ordinary people because.
- The way that Tellus boost/reserve works (based on their January 2023 Boost ToS) is that deposits are general obligation debts of Tellus to its account holders, and represents only a debt from Tellus to the account holders. Tellus says that the cash accounts are not mortgage-backed securities because they are not; in fact, they’re backed only by Tellus’s future income as a firm—there is no specific asset backing them.
- So, you’ve got something here that they say is not a mortgage-backed security. And they also aren’t claiming that it’s a demand deposit backed by a specific asset, while also claiming in advertising that one can withdraw money (for boost accounts) whenever one would like. So one’s left with concluding that that they’re essentially securing private, apparently callable (in advertising but not in the actual customer agreement), interest-bearing debt financing to themselves from a set of people that apparently includes non-accredited investors. And the company is using that money (based on public statements) for commercial lending of its own.
- So, yes, the FDIC part matters, since it indicates that the firm is not acting like a bank would. And the MBS part matters, as it indicates that there is no specific asset backing the deposits. It’s its own thing, and it’s a unique and unusual model for a consumer-facing business’s finance arm.
- — Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 17:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
MLS Cup 2024
- ... that MLS Cup 2024 was the first MLS championship to be played between teams from Los Angeles and New York City? Source: MLSsoccer.com
- ALT1: ... that for MLS Cup 2024, the New York Red Bulls provided $300 for supporters to travel to Los Angeles? Source: Toronto Star/Canadian Press
- ALT2: ... that MLS Cup 2024 was the sixth league championship won by the LA Galaxy? MLS
- ALT3: ... that the final seconds of MLS Cup 2024 were disrupted by players and staff who mistakenly entered the field to celebrate? Source: Yahoo Sports/AFP
- Reviewed: .zip (top-level domain), Ripken (dog)
- Comment: More hooks to be added after the match is played tomorrow.
SounderBruce 05:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC).
- QPQs done. Since the game just happened and I'm just not seeing these hooks as all that great, maybe replace them with an ALT3 incorporating information from the game. Other than that, I'm fairly confident that this is good to go. ~ 23:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: A new ALT2 and ALT3 have been added; the article is still being expanded, so I may have more hooks a bit later. SounderBruce 02:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good, particularly approve of ALT3. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: A new ALT2 and ALT3 have been added; the article is still being expanded, so I may have more hooks a bit later. SounderBruce 02:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Jonas Vaidutis
- ... that the Lithuanian duke Jonas Vaidutis was elected as the second rector of the oldest Polish university – Jagiellonian University after its restoration in the late 14th century?
- Source: First source: "Nuo 1401 Krokuvos universiteto rektorius (antrasis)." (English: Since 1401 Kraków University's rector (second); link to the source), second source: "1401 antruoju Jogailos universiteto rektoriumi išrinktas Jonas Vaidutis." (English: In 1401, Jonas Vaidutis was elected as the second rector of the Jogaila's University; link to the source).
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cultural impact of Dragon Ball
- Comment: This is my ninth DYK nomination, so I performed QPQ before creating this nomination.
-- Pofka (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, hook, qpq checks out. No close paraphrase detected. --Soman (talk) 10:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
St Bride's Church, Mauku
- ... that St Bride's Church still has loopholes from use as a military outpost in the 19th century?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Most of the sources in the article verify this.
Traumnovelle (talk) 20:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC).
- Date, length, hook, close paraphrase check ok. No QPQ needed. I would suggested adding File:St_Bride's_Church,_Mauku_6553.jpg as image. --Soman (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am fine with an image being included. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
But Daddy I Love Him
- ... that the title of Taylor Swift's song "But Daddy I Love Him" is a reference to the 1989 animated film The Little Mermaid?
- Source: The Guardian
- ALT1: ... that some journalists interpreted Taylor Swift's song "But Daddy I Love Him" as her criticism at her own fans? Source: BBC, The New York Times
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alien: Romulus
Ippantekina (talk) 03:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC).
- Article was recently promoted to GA status, so qualifies for DYK. Earwig/copyvio pulls up some 'yellow' scores - entirely due to the repeated phrases including the song name and album title, so no problems there. QPQ has been done. The hook 'ALT0 is precise (it is the title of the song that is a reference to The Little Mermaid), works well for me, and is verified in the sources cited in the appropriate place in the article. ALT1 (for me) is not quite there in terms of the phrasing, so I'd steer for ALT0. Good to go! Chaiten1 (talk) 09:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Mary Chalmers
- ... that children's author Mary Chalmers owned 10 cats and a Pomeranian, whose poses helped her draw illustrations for her books?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Mellor
- Comment: QPQ2: Template:Did you know nominations/Civilized drama
SilverserenC 04:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works does not seem to indicate that a cite separate to the work itself is necessary for each item in a list of works by an illustrator, so accepting the article's Illustrator section on this basis, as titles, authors and publication years are provided. Boldly wikilinking pomeranian dog in hook. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 11:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Mark Smith (actor, born 1887)
- ... that Mark Smith was a fourth generation American actor who performed in 70 theaters in New York City and acted in more than 2,000 radio programs?
- Source: Johnson Briscoe (March 1910). "The Younger Generation: Mark Smith". The Green Book Magazine: 629.- fourth generation actor (discusses careers of great-grandfather, grandfather, and father)
70 theaters and more than 2,000 radio pragrams (says more than 2,000 in text inside article)- "MARK SMITH, ACTOR AND RADIO ARTIST: Appeared in 70 Theatres Here, and 2000 programs on Air". The New York Times. May 10, 1944. p. 19.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Itim
- Comment: 2nd QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Saint Peter's Church (Mendota, Minnesota)
4meter4 (talk) 01:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough (created 11/30), long enough (> 7,000 characters of narrative text) and well written/sourced. Earwig check turns up no issues. Hook is interesting, sourced, and short enough. Double QPQ requirement is satisfied. Cbl62 (talk) 23:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 2
[edit]Science Fiction Chronicle
- ... that an American magazine Science Fiction Chronicle was described as "an alternative voice for the sf community" and "something of an East Coast institution"? Source: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/science_fiction_chronicle
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
- Piotrus The article is long enough and enough with no copyright violations. Two QPQs have been completed while in backlog mode. The hook is directly cited and interesting. A big issue is that sf-encyclopedia, Fancyclopedia, and ISFDB are user-edited. SL93 (talk) 02:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SL93: Thanks for taking a look. SFE aka The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction is a very reliable outlet and not user generated (unless we consider Britannica etc. user generated). Now, you are right about the two others, but they are just used as an easy online backup ref for reliable refs (just check "[9]" and "[11]"); I don't think they are used for any facts that are not backed up by more reliable sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That works for me. Approved. SL93 (talk) 14:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Abortion in Mauritius
- ... that Mauritius's abortion law was "dormant for nearly two centuries", as one newspaper put it?
- Source: [20] First, the courage posted by the government proposing an amendment to a part of the legislation that has remained dormant for nearly two centuries must be recognized.
— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 20:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC).
- Article was moved into mainspace on December 2 and was nominated on December 3, making it new enough. It is long enough, and is cited throughout to reliable sources. No copyright violation detected, and I'm assuming good faith that it isn't a close paraphrase of the many foreign language references used. Hook fact is interesting, a good length, and verifiable to the article, but the source is cited one sentence beyond the hook fact. This is a minor problem, but there must be an end-of-sentence citation directly after the quote. This will mean repeating a citation, but we do have to have it there in order to approve the hook per policy at WP:DYKHFC. Once this minor issue is fixed, please ping me and I will approve the hook. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: Done. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 18:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
All issues resolved. This hook can be promoted.4meter4 (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Jijin
- ... that for cultural reasons, jijin were permitted to be worn by Catholic priests in China even while celebrating Mass?
- Source: Dipippo, Gregory. "The Chinese Sacrificial Hat, and Reflections on Inculturation in China". New Liturgical Movement. Retrieved 5 December 2024.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 04:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this one. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- New enough and long enough? Created on December 2 and nominated on December 6. Exceeds 1600 characters of prose according to Google Docs.
- Well sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant and copyvio free? While I don't have any copyright violation concerns, I would appreciate a second set on eyes on whether the block quote is proportional considering this is a shorter article.
- Presentable?
- The hook is cited to a reliable source, short enough, and interesting?
- The two images present are released under the public domain and I do not see any reason to doubt that.
- QPQ?
- Looks good to me, so I'll approve it. I'd appreciate if the prep builder double checks my commentary above as this is my second review. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
William Hamm Jr.
- ... that the first time the FBI successfully used silver nitrate to lift fingerprints was when solving the kidnapping of a brewery executive?
- Source: "Barker/Karpis Gang". Famous Cases and Criminals. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Retrieved December 2, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that William Hamm Jr., the president of Hamm's Brewery, was kidnapped and held for $100,000 ransom? Source: "Barker/Karpis Gang". Famous Cases and Criminals. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Retrieved December 2, 2024.
- ALT2: ... that the first successful uses of silver nitrate to lift fingerprints were on ransom notes for William Hamm Jr., president of Hamm's Brewery? Source: "Barker/Karpis Gang". Famous Cases and Criminals. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Retrieved December 2, 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Blooming Onion
- Comment: Open to suggestions on hook phrasing
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 13:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
- I'll take a look at this one. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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June 15, 1933, at 12:15 p.m.
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Hamm married Dorothy Heywood on October 1, 1927
, which is supported by the second cited source. However, the first cited source gives the marriage as having been in November 1927. Unless there is a very good reason for rejecting one source in favor of the other, we should probably not be so definite in the article. Can you explain a bit about this editorial choice? - Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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Overall: Not much to add to the above, though it's possible I missed something in my spot checks. Generally quite an interesting read. I prefer hook Alt2, as it has his name and mentions the silver nitrate; this is a biography, not an article on the event that is his kidnapping. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:Red-tailed hawk good catch on the marriage date there, I genuinely hadn't noticed. The source with the November date I had used to get her maiden name and I didn't realize the mismatch. These all seem to indicate the October date. As for the time of kidnapping, on that same page 12:15pm is also indicated under the "Events in Kidnapping" side column. I'll amend it to "shortly after noon". ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 05:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I had missed the side column; no need to correct that part, the decision makes sense. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- In light of the above, this looks good to go. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 3
[edit]Anthony E. Wills
- ... that it was only after his death at a relatively young age that several of Anthony E. Wills's plays were adapted into films?
- Alt1 ... that films were made of plays written by Anthony E. Wills (pictured) after his death at a relatively young age?
- Sources: Youth at time of death in 1912- "Anthony E. Willis Dies". Billboard. Vol. 24, no. 31. August 3, 1912. p. 6.
"Despite his youth, Mr Wills had gained considerable of a reputation as an author and producer."
- Vitagraph Studios obtaining film rights in 1913 after his death: "Film Co. Feeling Around; Trying Hard to Be Friendly". Variety. 30 (12): 8. May 23, 1913.
- Two film reviews: ""Our Wives"". The Moving Picture World. 18 (1): 49. October 4, 1913., "Empire". Bridgeport Evening Farmer. June 23, 1913. p. 8.
- A third film covered in Erish, Andrew A. (2021). Vitagraph: America's First Great Motion Picture Studio. University Press of Kentucky. ISBN 9780813181219.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pem Nem, Template:Did you know nominations/Peri Alypias
- Comment: Moved into main space on December 3, 2024 at 17:32.
4meter4 (talk) 02:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
1957 Ruskin Heights tornado
- ... that the 1957 Ruskin Heights tornado threw an occupied car into a water tower, and the inhabitants survived?
- ALT1: ... that a check lifted by the 1957 Ruskin Heights tornado was found 165 miles away? Source: https://www.tornadotalk.com/ruskin-heights-f5-tornado-may-20-1957/
- ALT2: ... that the 1957 Ruskin Heights tornado has been described as having the appearance of several tentacles? Source: https://www.weather.gov/eax/RuskinHeights
- ALT3: ... that a memorial erected to honor the victims of the 1957 Ruskin Heights tornado was later damaged in a car crash? Source: https://fox4kc.com/news/push-to-rebuild-after-ruskin-heights-tornado-memorial-damaged/
- ALT4: ... that pilots reported flying debris at 30,000 feet altitude after the 1957 Ruskin Heights tornado? Source: https://www.tornadotalk.com/ruskin-heights-f5-tornado-may-20-1957/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: EF5 helped with the article a lot but did not write these hooks.
( ͡° ( ͡° ( ͡° ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ͡°) ͡°) ͡°) 02:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC).
- Personally, I like ALT1. Although I didn’t technically start the nom, I’ll still do a QPQ just to be fair. :) EF5 02:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Although technically the nom doesn't require a QPQ since you aren't the nominator, if you're going to do QPQs, just note that DYK is currently in backlog mode, meaning people with over 20 nominations will need to do two reviews instead of one. I think you still have less than 20 nominations so this doesn't apply to you so for now you only need to do just one review and not two, it's just something to keep in mind in case you get affected in the future. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
On first inspection, the article looks good. The only issue I have is that there's a few uncited sentences near the end of the first paragraph of the summary section; I've left a CN tag there. I'm definitely thinking the originally proposed blurb about the water tower is the best one; claim is verified in the article from this non-political Fox News source, the hook is short and interesting, no QPQ needed, Earwig shows no copyvio concern. My other minor issue is the status of the main image in the infobox - it's up for deletion on Commons, but this can feasibly be re-added as NFC later on if it's removed. I'd advise against using the image provided as it doesn't really illustrate the water tower or any of the other hooks, though. Almost there. Departure– (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Departure–: My QPQ is done, since I'm technically a nominator. All issues have been addressed. :) EF5 16:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- That was my only main issue. As it stands, the article's a little short but seems good enough for DYK as it stands. Good to go. Departure– (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Departure–:Note that I will be under a self-requested block until December 20th. For DYK matters, please contact @EF5:. Wildfireupdateman (talk)
Influencer
- ... that the 2021 Supreme Court NCAA v. Alston ruling made student athlete influencers (pictured) eligible for compensation?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aquilegia chrysantha
- Comment: 2 QPQs in one.
TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting article. No problems with copyright and hook mentioned in the article with proper source. Images have no copyright problems and freely licensed. Overall, the article has no problems with citations. Good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 12:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hanta Road
- ... that the historic Hanta Road in Okinawa was used by both Ryukyuan armies and the U.S. Navy's Perry Expedition?
- Source: 同盟するものにとっては人や物の交流の道、敵対するものにとっては戦の道とし使用されていましたIt was used by allies as a route for the exchange of people and goods, and by enemies as a route of war.[1]
Jpatokal (talk) 07:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC).
- Outstanding little article. QPQ done, hook is extraordinarily fascinating and appropriately cited (AGF on sources as they are in Japanese). No copyvios noticed. Great job! Note to promoters: consider dropping "historic" as extraneous glossing when placing this in a prep or the queue. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "歴史の道 中頭方東海道「ハンタ道」" (PDF). 中城村ホームページ.
- ^ https://bunka.nii.ac.jp/heritages/detail/286880
Council of District Dumas
- ... that in order to raise funds for the Council of District Dumas, its chairman Mikhail Vladimirsky (pictured) led an armed squad storming the Moscow headquarters of the State Bank?
- Source: Timothy J. Colton. Moscow: Governing the Socialist Metropolis. Harvard University Press, 1995. pp. 93-95, 105, 110
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Gabon, Template:Did you know nominations/Qian Xingcun
Soman (talk) 09:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: New enough, long enough. Hook fact is interesting and verified (though I note the source says 2 million rubles, not one). Both QPQs are done, Earwig has no qualms. Good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Yanou Collart
- ... that Yanou Collart has been called a courtesan for food and friendship?
- Source: 1
- ALT1: ... that Yanou Collart's career was motivated by a desire to "never be dependent on a man"? Source: 1
- Reviewed:
🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough, long enough, and without any serious issues. Image in article is fair use, but she's still alive—pretty sure that's not allowed. The first hook is questionable as to appropriateness for a BLP. The second is a tad vague. I would appreciate an ALT2. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Image has been removed. How about ALT2: ... that Yanou Collart helped Rock Hudson get medical treatment when Nancy Reagan would not? 1. For a less vague ALT1, ALT1a: ... that Yanou Collart's career as one the world's most prominent publicists was originally motivated by a desire to "never be dependent on a man"? 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1a is GTG. ALT2 is sourced to before Buzzfeed News became worse than useless, so that's approved and my preference as a hook. Excellent work! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Image has been removed. How about ALT2: ... that Yanou Collart helped Rock Hudson get medical treatment when Nancy Reagan would not? 1. For a less vague ALT1, ALT1a: ... that Yanou Collart's career as one the world's most prominent publicists was originally motivated by a desire to "never be dependent on a man"? 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 4
[edit]Ly Singko
... that Ly Singko—who had been raised in a Catholic household and worked for the Kuomintang's news agency—was imprisoned under Singapore's Internal Security Act for "glamourising the communist system"?
KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 07:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC).
- At the moment, I'm unsure if I will give this a full review or not, so for now this is just an inquiry: I'm really not sure what the connection is between her growing up in a Catholic household and working for the Kuomintang, to the primary hook fact (the "glamourising" aspect). I understand that there's supposed to be a contrast between the allegation despite him being involved with the Kuomintang, but I suspect that readers will not immediately get the connection. More importantly, the part seems to add unnecessary complexity to the hook: just saying he was imprisoned for "glamourising" should suffice per WP:DYKTRIM since that fact itself is already interesting and the part doesn't seem essential to the hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I just realized that the hook is 198 characters, or just a hair below the 200-character limit, so it definitely needs trimming. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- At least a hundred other suspected communist sympathisers were imprisoned during this period, but I thought what made this especially interesting was that he (not she!!) was Catholic and had worked for the Kuomintang's news agency. The irony should be quite obvious (or so I thought)... And if something is under the limit, albeit just by 2 characters, shouldn't it technically still be permissible? 😅 (As opposed to being 2 characters over...) KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 12:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: As mentioned per above, per WP:DYKTRIM, excessive detail and facts should be removed if they are not essential to the hook fact. According to the old rules (and also continued in spirit in the current guidelines), hooks slightly below the 200 character limit can still be rejected per editor discretion. Actually, I've gone ahead and struck it, so a new hook is needed. As for the misgendering, I apologize: the pronouns are now fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well yeah but as I said I thought the details weren't excessive, rather they REALLY added to the "interestingness" of the charges. It'd be like if a Jan 6 participant was found to be a dedicated ActBlue donor or something. Oh well. I sure hope it's not just me who finds the irony much too obvious though! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did a bit of a mini-survey on Discord and all the responses said the original hook was too complex or detailed, so it wasn't just I who had similar views. In any case, please propose a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:40, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sure that's fine, how about ..."... that Chinese-language newspaper columnist Ly Singko was imprisoned for "glamourising the communist system"? Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 04:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sure that's fine, how about ..."... that Chinese-language newspaper columnist Ly Singko was imprisoned for "glamourising the communist system"? Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 04:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did a bit of a mini-survey on Discord and all the responses said the original hook was too complex or detailed, so it wasn't just I who had similar views. In any case, please propose a new hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:40, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well yeah but as I said I thought the details weren't excessive, rather they REALLY added to the "interestingness" of the charges. It'd be like if a Jan 6 participant was found to be a dedicated ActBlue donor or something. Oh well. I sure hope it's not just me who finds the irony much too obvious though! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: As mentioned per above, per WP:DYKTRIM, excessive detail and facts should be removed if they are not essential to the hook fact. According to the old rules (and also continued in spirit in the current guidelines), hooks slightly below the 200 character limit can still be rejected per editor discretion. Actually, I've gone ahead and struck it, so a new hook is needed. As for the misgendering, I apologize: the pronouns are now fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- At least a hundred other suspected communist sympathisers were imprisoned during this period, but I thought what made this especially interesting was that he (not she!!) was Catholic and had worked for the Kuomintang's news agency. The irony should be quite obvious (or so I thought)... And if something is under the limit, albeit just by 2 characters, shouldn't it technically still be permissible? 😅 (As opposed to being 2 characters over...) KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 12:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I just realized that the hook is 198 characters, or just a hair below the 200-character limit, so it definitely needs trimming. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for not coming back to this sooner. The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. I did not find any close paraphrasing. As all sources are offline I am assuming good faith on their contents, but all statements are sourced. I checked both QPQs and while the reviews are rather short, I am assuming good faith that they checked all of the DYK criteria. The new hook is interesting, though I will leave it to the promoter if it needs further trimming to remove "Chinese-language newspaper columnist" or not. Good to go. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Good Gravy! (roller coaster)
- ... that Good Gravy!, a roller coaster themed to Thanksgiving dinner, was first tested with a train full of stuffed turkeys?
- ALT0a: ... that Good Gravy!, a roller coaster themed to Thanksgiving dinner, was first tested with a train full of plush turkeys?
- ALT1: ... that riders on Good Gravy!, a roller coaster themed to Thanksgiving dinner, pass through a tunnel made of a giant cranberry sauce can? Source: "As the train races along, it will pass through a colossal cranberry jelly can"
- ALT2: ... that riders on Good Gravy!, a roller coaster themed to Thanksgiving dinner, pass by a 20-foot-tall (6.1 m) whisk? Source: "As the train races along, it will ... narrowly dodge towering kitchen utensils, including a 20-foot-tall whisk"
- Reviewed:
Plighting Engineerd (talk) 05:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
- @Plighting Engineerd: Article is new/long enough and looks good. No QPQ required. Reviewing ALT0: The hook is funny. It matches the article and the source which is good. I would change "stuffed turkeys" to "plush turkeys" because it makes it sound like it is food, not toy. ―Panamitsu (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, edited! Plighting Engineerd (talk) 22:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- For future reference, ALTs shouldn't edited; new ALTs should be proposed. I've added "plush turkeys" as ALT0a and I'm approving it.--Launchballer 12:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Aha, I was wondering about that but couldn't find it in my quick search through the guidelines. Thanks so much! Plighting Engineerd (talk) 03:26, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- For future reference, ALTs shouldn't edited; new ALTs should be proposed. I've added "plush turkeys" as ALT0a and I'm approving it.--Launchballer 12:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, edited! Plighting Engineerd (talk) 22:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
BLKBOK
- ... that pianist BLKBOK (pronounced "Black Bach") has composed works based on the murder of George Floyd, the Little Rock Nine, and The Negro Motorist Green Book?
- Reviewed:
Cbl62 (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC).
- Nominated 54 minutes late. Hoping this can be forgiven. Cbl62 (talk) 00:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Size and date check out, well-referenced, interesting hook, no apparent copyvio concerns. Believe this is good to go.
1st Separate Airborne Brigade
- ... that a brigade of Russian paratroopers served under NATO command in the 1990s?
- Source: Kipp, Jacob W.; Warren, Tarn (2003). "The Russian Separate Airborne Brigade – Peacekeeping in Bosnia-Herzegovina". In Mackinlay, John; Cross, Peter (eds.). Regional peacekeepers: The paradox of Russian peacekeeping (PDF). Tokyo: United Nations University. pp. 49–50. ISBN 92-808-1079-0.
- ALT1: ... that a brigade of Russian paratroopers took part in a NATO-led peacekeeping mission during the 1990s? Source: Kipp, Jacob W.; Warren, Tarn (2003). "The Russian Separate Airborne Brigade – Peacekeeping in Bosnia-Herzegovina". In Mackinlay, John; Cross, Peter (eds.). Regional peacekeepers: The paradox of Russian peacekeeping (PDF). Tokyo: United Nations University. pp. 49–50. ISBN 92-808-1079-0.
- ALT2: ... that Russia contributed an airborne brigade to a NATO-led peacekeeping mission in former Yugoslavia? Source: Kipp, Jacob W.; Warren, Tarn (2003). "The Russian Separate Airborne Brigade – Peacekeeping in Bosnia-Herzegovina". In Mackinlay, John; Cross, Peter (eds.). Regional peacekeepers: The paradox of Russian peacekeeping (PDF). Tokyo: United Nations University. pp. 49–50. ISBN 92-808-1079-0.
- Reviewed:
Romanov loyalist (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC).
- What a fantastic article, I had never heard of this before and this page does it credit. New enough, more than long enough, well cited. Prefer Alt 1 for readability. No QPQ needed, GTG. Maury Markowitz (talk)
Home and Beauty
- ... that Somerset Maugham's play Home and Beauty has been described as both a "little masterpiece of polite merriment" and "a misogynist comedy dipped in vitriol"?
- Source: "little masterpiece of polite merriment" - "Home and Beauty". The Times. 1 September 1919. p. 8.
- "a misogynist comedy dipped in vitriol"- Billington, Michael (30 October 2002). "Home and Beauty: Lyric Theatre, London". The Guardian.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/GlucoBoy, Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Rimmington
- Comment: Article was previously a redirect; article created December 4
4meter4 (talk) 16:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting article about a play with a title like a women's magazine and a cover picture to match, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. As the hook seems to be what you want to say, I approve it. - A few suggestions for the article, and in general:
- Don't have any pic next to the Roles table. It may look fine on large devices but on smaller ones it shrinks the table to many lines for each item.
- Don't have any image size larger than upright=1.3, because more can't be displayed (any larger) on mobile devices.
- In the plot, say once more that Victoria is that widow, - not all readers read sequentially, and her name is not even in the lead, just the image caption.
- You will guess what I'd suggest in order to avoid the impression that the article is about a woman ;)
- The review that impressed me most was "fun of the choicest sort, quiet fun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Al-Moghraqa
- ... that terracotta cones found at al-Moghraqa in Palestine are unique in the region but resemble artefacts from Ancient Egypt?
- Source: "These artefacts are unique amongst the cultural assemblages of the Levant and are most closely paralleled by Egyptian funerary cones of the Eighteenth Dynasty from Thebes": Steel, Louise; Manley, Bill; Clarke, Joanne; Sadeq, Moain (2004b). "Egyptian 'Funerary Cones' from El-Moghraqa, Gaza". The Antiquaries Journal. 84: 319. doi:10.1017/S0003581500045856.
Richard Nevell (talk) 19:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
- Date, size, refs, hook, neutrality, QPQ, etc. all GTG. Would be nice to add a picture to the article, but that's not a DYK concern. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Good suggestion - I don't recall a photo of the site in any of the papers, but there were at least drawings of the cones. As they'll be under fair use that's (I assume) not suitable for DYK but could still be useful for the article. I'll look into it. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
American Wedding (song)
- ... that Frank Ocean's song "American Wedding" was pulled from streaming platforms after the Eagles threatened legal action for its unauthorized use of "Hotel California"?
- Reviewed: None
jolielover♥talk 06:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC).
- Review by Tbhotch
General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems:
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: A former redirect that is long enough. The hook is interesting. No QPQ required. There are no copyvios, only quoted text. There are some unsourced statements that I tagged and must be resolved before approval. Refer to WP:NOR at the sentence beginning with "Ocean references the 1990 film Pretty Woman and the 1999 film Runaway Bride in the lyrics. (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:00, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Jolielover: You're only missing the paragraph that starts with "Ocean continued to perform the song..." since the source doesn't say that he continued doing it (at most I found "I guess if I play it at Coachella it'll cost me a couple hundred racks") or that "Many critics defended Ocean, highlighting that the track was part of a non-commercial mixtape". (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- The newer additions doesn't represent an issue and the unsourced text was removed accordingly. Ready to go. (CC) Tbhotch™ 05:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Black Slave's Cry to Heaven
- ... that the first modern Chinese play (playbill pictured) was staged in Tokyo and based on an American novel?
- Source: Liu, Siyuan (2013). Performing Hybridity in Colonial-Modern China. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-1-137-30611-1., among others
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Last Dance (2024 film), Template:Did you know nominations/Backflip (figure skating)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, hook, close paraphrase check, qpq (x2) ok. Image free on Commons. --Soman (talk) 12:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Melichrus procumbens
- ... that jam tarts (pictured) are pollinated by ants?
- Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
Gderrin (talk) 23:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
- Neat article that's just about long and new enough. Interesting hook, no discernible signs of copyvio (AGF on the offline sources). QPQ not needed. Seems like all is in order! Great work. Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 06:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Fairley, Alan; Moore, Philip (1989). Native Plants of the Sydney District. Kenthurst: Kangaroo Press. p. 88.
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[edit]Noah Knigga
- ... that American football player Noah Knigga went viral for his last name and had to clarify its pronunciation?
- Source: Dyer, Kristian (January 12, 2024). "Noah Knigga is hoping to make a name for himself on the football field, not just on social media". USA Today Sports. Retrieved December 5, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Eastern Michigan's football program needed a linebacker to play for them next year and luckily "Noah guy"? Source: https://twitter.com/EMUFB/status/1864288197523722707
- Reviewed: Jorts and Argos (dog)
- Comment:
QPQs to come
Soulbust (talk) 20:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
- @Soulbust: Please provide QPQs promptly as the nomination may be closed without further warning if no QPQs are done. Given that this nomination has already been open for almost four days, I will give you 24 hours to do the QPQs, otherwise the nomination will be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: QPQs have been completed. Soulbust (talk) 00:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:34, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: QPQs have been completed. Soulbust (talk) 00:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article was nominated within a week of its creation and is well over the minimum character requirement. Every claim is sourced, and the copyvio detector didn't come up with any violations. The first hook is straight to the point, interesting, and well-sourced; I don't think the second hook could work, as it relies on a present tense construction in order for "Noah" to land. The article has no images to check. As noted above, QPQs have been completed promptly. Ultimately, there are no problems with the nomination. It should be good to go! Thank you for your work. Phibeatrice (talk) 07:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Jack Browning
- ... that in 2022, college football player Jack Browning was named All-Mountain West Conference at three different positions?
- Source: SDSU website ("Also earned first-team all-MW accolades at punter [1] by Pro Football Focus, Phil Steele Magazine and College Football Network, and as a kickoff specialist [2] by College Football Network, and a fourth-team honoree at kicker [3] by Phil Steele Magazine")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mohamed Aw-Ali Abdi & Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony E. Wills
- Comment:
Will complete QPQ within 24 hours.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
- Intresting, factual, QPQ done, earwig doenst flag anything major. Good job Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Katerina Clark
- ... that Australian academic Katerina Clark received a letter where her friend, actress Miriam Margolyes, came out as lesbian? Source: It was through Katerina, a brilliant academic who is professor of Russian comparative literature at Yale, that Margolyes met her partner, Heather, also an Australian academic. Margolyes wrote to Katerina to inform her that she had “become a gay woman, a lesbian!”, and received a letter back saying how interesting, that she knew one too who was studying at Yale. They were introduced and have been together since.
- ALT1: ... that actress Miriam Margolyes came out as lesbian in a letter to Australian academic Katerina Clark? Source: Same as ALT0
- ALT2: ... that Australian academic Katerina Clark introduced her former schoolmate Heather Sutherland to the latter's future partner, actress Miriam Margolyes? Source: "On one European trip in 1968, she introduced Margolyes, already a prominent actor, to an old Canberra school friend, Heather Sutherland, a specialist in Indonesian studies and later a professor at the Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, in the Netherlands. The two became lifetime partners."
- ALT3: ... that Australian academic Katerina Clark introduced actress Miriam Margolyes to the latter's future partner, historian Heather Sutherland? Source: Same as ALT2
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pula Nikolao Pula (two articles)
ミラP@Miraclepine 16:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC).
- I shall review this nomination. Schwede66 02:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article is new in main space and plenty long enough. Everything is suitably sourced. Neutral. Earwig is clean. With regards to hooks, I find ALT0 and ALT1 rather bland. ALT2 and ALT3, on the other hand, find my approval (note that I've fixed the link in ALT2 to point to Heather Sutherland (historian)) and I have a slight preference for ALT2. QPQs have been done. This is good to go; good work! Schwede66 02:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Thomas Fenner (sea captain)
- ... that Thomas Fenner was an Elizabethan era sea captain who commanded an English warship during the Spanish Armada?
- Source: Loades, David (2008). "Fenner, Thomas". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/9290. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
4meter4 (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Created on 5 December; 4,762 characters; 2 x QPQ Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Ketchup chip
- ... that ketchup chips were introduced in the 1970s along with other flavours such as grape and orange?
- ALT1: ... that ketchup chips are Canadiana? Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/how-ketchup-chips-became-edible-canadiana/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jijin
Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Promoted to GA 5 December; currently 3,315 characters long; 7.4% Earwig. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC) Good to go with main or ALT - main preferred. @Clovermoss: You should have included the image! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: I have a slight preference for the main hook. :) As for the image, I know that there's more images than spots to put them, so I'm okay if the hook doesn't include it. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, hooks without images run much sooner, but the lead image attracts more page views. I could not help think of this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Anna Weisman
- ... that in 1902 the paramedic student Anna Weisman smuggled fonts to set up an underground revolutionary publishing house in Saratov?
- Source: Владлен Николаевич Степанов. Адресовано в Москву. Московский рабочии, 1987. p. 214
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Black Slave's Cry to Heaven, Template:Did you know nominations/St Bride's Church, Mauku
Soman (talk) 12:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC).
- @Soman: Hello - just to say that you need to complete a 2nd QPQ review for this to proceed, due to the current backlog. Chaiten1 (talk) 08:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaiten1:, ok ok, added 2nd qpq now. --Soman (talk) 09:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Article is new, and long enough; it is an interesting bio of a person about whom there is nothing written in English. It is well written, neutral, and sourced to a series of Russian-language texts which are not acessible so AGF on these. QPQs have been done. ALT0 is very close, and perhaps just needs a little rewording: 'the paramedic student' - is the 'paramedic' part needed in the hook? The words 'fonts' is perhaps not quite the right word (both in the hook and article) - do you mean printing materials? or printers blocks? and did Weisman set up a 'printing house' or just a 'printing press'? @Soman:Chaiten1 (talk) 18:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Per Font, "In a manual printing (letterpress) house the word "font" would refer to a complete set of metal type that would be used to typeset an entire page." Priting house is the term used for the Bolshevik underground, see for example Nina Printing House. 'Paramedic' is not absolutely necessary for the hook, but gives a bit more detail. --Soman (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanations; happy to approve the hook as it is! Good to go. Chaiten1 (talk) 08:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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