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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 01:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b)

  • Source: Zellentin, Holger (2023). Aras, Martina; Rizk, Charbel; Stosch, Klaus von (eds.). “Honour with Silence the Words of Your Creator” -- Moses’ Silence in bMenaḥot 29b in Light of its Jewish and Christian Context. Beiträge zur komparativen Theologie. Paderborn: Brill . "In my view, the Bavli’s typological reading of Aqiva comes as close as possible to the Christian model, without, however, overstepping the line: Aqiva is perhaps “the one,” but not a new Adam; he is a messianic figure, but not the Messiah; and he is martyred and his body consumed, but he is not yet resurrected."
  • ALT1: ... that Biblical and post-Biblical characters rarely meet in Talmudic stories, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred? Source: Jeffrey Rubenstein, Stories of the Babylonian Talmud (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2010), 182–20. "I know of no other story that bridges the typically impermeable break between the time of the bible and the time of the sages ...." In 2002, Rubenstein said, "The juxtaposition of these two characters violates the typically strict separation between the biblical and post-biblical times."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Hutchinson
  • Comment: This is a fictional work (story), so DYK facts are about the story's features or interpretation. Another hook: it can be seen as a "failed theodicy" since God tells Moses to be silent in the face of Akiva's torture. But the hook idea is hard to articulate within the time we have.
Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

  • Comment ALT1 is probably better, but ungrammatical. Better:
  • ALT2 : ... that meetings between Biblical and post-Biblical characters, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred, are rare in Talmudic stories? Same refs. Johnbod (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
  • ProfGray The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I cannot access. A QPQ has been completed. The formatting for the 14th reference is broken. Other than that minor issue, this is great work. SL93 (talk) 01:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words and for noticing the broken ref, which I just fixed. Would you be willing to complete the review? ProfGray (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
You're welcome. I approve the first hook and Johnbod's revision of ALT1. The promoter can choose the hook. SL93 (talk) 02:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)