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The South Korean won drops to a two-year low following President Yoon's declaration of martial law yesterday. Several ETFs on the Korea Exchange also drop to a one-year low. (Invezz)
In defiance of the declaration of martial law, which prohibits political activities, the National Assembly votes unanimously to order Yoon Suk Yeol to lift martial law. Korean soldiers that were guarding the National Assembly building withdraw following the vote. (The Guardian)
Yoon Suk Yeol announces that he will lift the martial law that he declared hours earlier amid staunch opposition from both the opposition and his own People Power Party. (Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: Needs some updating, I will try and attend to this when I’m home from work this evening. Updated, aftermath section added. The election was called for Nandi-Ndaitwah earlier today by major networks, amid the counting process. She is set to become Namibia’s first female president. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
soft oppose results still coming in, even the articles cited by nominator note that the election is being disputed. not sure why they'd treat it as if Netumbo uncontroversially won. Scuba21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep in mind WP:AGF. It was not my intention to imply such a thing. In terms of the vote count, it is 90 percent in, and preliminary investigations by the African Union didn’t note any sort of discrepancies thus far. Seems like Itula challenged the previous election results as well, but I’m not familiar regarding the blurb's wording if the previous presidential election was on ITN. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if I sounded accusational, but the general rule of thumb is that if there is any doubt in an election results to word the ITN blurb along the lines of "was declared the winner of" instead of "won the". Scuba01:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is an election of a country's head of state and government. 99.18% of the vote is in and with almost 58% of that vote going to Netumbo, it seems clear the remaining votes will not be enough to change the outcome. I think this is safe to post. Gelasin (talk) 03:58, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: former Puntland vice president and Minister of Finance died on December 3, coverage of his death confirmed. The overall article seems well-sourced with reliable and primary citations needed for nominations.
Soft support article lacks any sense of prose, just being bullet points, and there is a random map for some reason, but everything is properly cited. Scuba16:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the ramifications are known. This was stated in a late night address and didn't state what measures were going to be taken. Most analysts are saying this is political posturing since he, being right-leaning, has had clashes with the left-leaning Parliament. Masem (t) 14:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just adding that once we have a better picture if the situation, this is completely appropriate to post. Just that it only happened a couple hours ago so there's no clear picture yet. — Masem (t) 15:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there is also statements that the Parliament is meeting at a different location as to block the martial law statement. There's a lot of suddenly moving parts, and as ITN is not a news ticker, it's better to have a stable picture if what is happening than to rush a half finished article based on initial reports. — Masem (t) 15:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yonhap has reported that martial law suspended parliament and political parties, and banned all protests under threat of arrest. A head of state and government making an announcement like that alone, regardless of the actual implementation, is ITN material. Juxlos (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hard to say what it is. There's reports that members are being let into Parliament. In which case, it will quickly vote to end martial law. On the other hand, the order seems to suspend parliament - which given parliament is supposed to vote on martial law, would indeed be a coup. Where's the Prime Minister - I see no mention in the reporting; he's in for a surprise when he gets up in the morning. Nfitz (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The parliament voted unanimously, with 190 lawmakers voting to overturn the proclamation of martial law - and apparently the military have left the National Assembly. A YTN correspondent at Ministry of Defense stated that Spokesperson said until the president orders the quell, martial law is in effect - so it is pretty much not clear , and we should wait for new info to come in before posting it to the main page The AP (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Major liberal democracy has the army occupying the capital city, martial law being declared with the national assembly suspended. Government taking control of media, political activities banned. This is massive and should be posted. But we definitely need more details ASAP, it seems like nobody knows what the hell is going on in South Korea right now PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for at least 12 hours. Since the declaration was made at 22:30 local time, it will take longer to get consequences and write well curated article. Didgogns (talk) 15:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in a few hours -- absolutely notable and major news. Information will be coming in very very quickly and very very messily, so we may need to wait a couple of hours since this is still very hot off the press.(Discuss0nshore'scontributions!!!) 16:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The order prohibits activities by Parliament. This would suggest that it's certainly a coup attempt, given parliament has to approve. In an advanced democracy! This is important. Nfitz (talk) 16:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is nothing short of an attempted coup. (the question remains if it's a military coup). This is massive news, the article appears to be good enough. Post now. Nfitz (talk) 16:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, still too soon. How Yong will react to the nullification is a key point to know how this will play out, and until we know that, stability is still in question. — Masem (t) 16:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, but wait at least 12 hours. It's 1:30 am in Korea and the situation will doubtless change overnight. This appears to be an attempt at a self coup, which is certainly worth an ITN blurb whether it succeeds or fails. We don't know which it will be, but should do by tomorrow morning. Our article is a good start, given what we know so far, but is changing by the minute. Modest Geniustalk16:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support First declaration of martial law since South Korea's democratization. Still left to be seen if it'll last, but this is a major event being broadcast by a lot of news anchors. Dyaquna (talk) 16:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Support The martial law only lasted for around 2 hours but declaring it in the first place is already significant enough. It's very rare for martial law to take effect in general. INeedSupport:317:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the assembly has managed to vote to lift it, and troops are leaving the building (they can't have been trying very hard to stop the vote). Still the attempt is hugely noteworthy. Though perhaps we'll have to change it to impeachment shortly. Nfitz (talk) 17:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Despite the National Assembly lifting the martial law, the military declares the vote invalid and declares that the martial law stays in effect until the president ends it. INeedSupport:317:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Considering that almost nothing in this situation's final yet, it's probably better to phrase the blurb as an attempted declaration. Added the third altblurb to reflect this. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull - I feel my vote is useless at this point but here goes: For a rapidly developing event whose effects are not yet known, posting this within 3 hours of nomination with almost half the !votes being wait was jumping the gun ✈ mike_gigstalkcontribs18:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that it is currently unclear how to properly phrase blurbs for rapidly-developing events, but I think it's only right that something be posted as soon as possible—this is breaking news in the truest possible sense, after all. I'm also against pulling the blurb now, since it would imply that the news sources for this was incorrect in some way. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The blurb makes it sound like the National Assembly lifted the martial law, which isn't the case, as the President still needs to proclaim it being lifted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently a Kowiki user on Discord clarified that it was a machine translation error—and it actually translates to "Speaker of the National Assembly: I sent (letters) to the president and minister of national defense." The AP (talk) 18:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-Posting Support. Even if the martial law is lifted, it's still a shocking, disruptive, and controversial move that will likely have massive political implications for Yoon when all is said and done. Think the right call was made in posting this. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update 2 adjusted the published blurb to account for Yoon's announcement that lifted the martial law. Feel free to adjust the blurb further if required. – robertsky (talk) 00:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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In Ireland, Fianna Fáil remains the largest party in Dáil Éireann, increasing its number of seats to 48. Its governing partner Fine Gael wins 38 seats, with the two parties combined winning 86 seats, two shy of a majority. (AP)
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Oppose I've loved the Hammersley sofa gif in the article ever since I saw it and would love this article to be on the front page, but no third-party recognition shown. Wouldn't be opposed if some shows up. Blythwood (talk) 02:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even ignoring the questionable nature of how significant this is, this is not yet a peer-reviewed published paper, nor covered by the news, so it fails on several counts. --Masem (t) 03:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Problems get solved all the time. The invention of plastic furniture movers that are placed under the legs of a sofa has done more for my upholstery transportation woes than this solution ever will and we didn't blurb those (although, now that I mention it...) Departure– (talk) 03:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's elaboration: I suggest to update the Ongoing section to specify the broader Middle-Eastern Crisis, and group both the Israel-Hamas and Israel-Hezbollah conflicts under it in brackets, rather than have them be separate bullet points. Right now, the two events are listed separately in the Ongoing section as "Israel–Hamas war • Israeli invasion of Lebanon". My suggestion is we change this to "Middle Eastern crisis (Israel–Hamas war • Israeli invasion of Lebanon)", as both events are happening in the broader context of this crisis and their regional implications. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperbowserX (talk • contribs)
Oppose at least on article quality. It us a bit of an OR there as it is combining multiple events, some being connected, sone not, into a larger crisis, which doesn't seem directly supported by sources. Further, as a top level summary article with many nains/seealsos links, it is far too detailed and too much proseline. Masem (t) 00:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I commend the effort to try and consolidate all the ongoing Israel/USA-Iranian proxy conflicts into a single article, but as it currently stands that article is of too low quality to be ITN. Scuba06:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Seems of a similar nature and ballpark to the Iberian lynx blurb we posted a few months ago. Dissection is perhaps not the most relevant part of this story, but would be a nice break from the ITNR and war blurbs. The discovery/impact seems ITN-worthy, especially from an encyclopedia vs news-ticker standpoint. AviationFreak💬17:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - There are a whole lot of scientific advances I'd prioritize posting before the first dissection of a rare whale, let alone the start of it. I definitely agree, though, it seems every new blurb is an election where the incumbent loses or a war cycling. Departure– (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly the update is a bit sparse for now. The July updates were great tho, so if we're featuring it for that... that could be reasonable but a bit unusual. (image is amazing of course). I would love to support, but I think we need to add some prelimenary results of the disection first if such a thing can exist. It's a bit of a non-story right now. Common problem in the sciences of course. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 21:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Previous nomination resulted in consensus to wait until we have a winner; looks to be the case now. Coalition talks could be lengthy given Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael together are 2 seats short of a majority (88 seats), and the Greens have been reduced to just 1 seat (from 12 previously). Needs an aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the format should follow that of the French election earlier this year I think, which had a very similar outcome.[3] I have added an alt blurb which matches this. In any case we certainly shouldn't use "plurality" that's not a term used in the part of the world concerned. I haven't looked at quality yet. — Amakuru (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the 'electoral system' section lacks citations. Most of that is uncontroversial but nevertheless should be supported with references. The 'aftermath' section is a bigger problem, with several paragraphs on the implications for different parties that completely lack sources. The rest of the article is in good shape, but those two sections need fixing before posting. Modest Geniustalk16:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Breaking news out of a country that is very difficult to find credible news reports from. Needs major expansion and Stade du 3 Avril article, details of the match that took place and aftermath section once the situation becomes more clear. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately I don't see a lot of good chances for this to be expanded to an encyclopedic quality article. This is the tye of news event that can be slotted into one of our disaster lists, but whether a standalone can even work is questionable. Masem (t) 22:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Yeah so basically things r getting pretty serious now with 3 offensives ongoing (SNA, SSG, some various southern rebel groups) so i figured now would be a good time to nominate for ongoing. P.S. if i messed up the nom sorry it’s my first time nominating User:Ion.want.uu
Oppose It would make more sense to put Northwestern Syria Offensive as ongoing rather than the entire war. For example, The Israel-Hamas war is marked as ongoing, but not the I/P conflict in general. Pyramids09 (talk) 00:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: ITN/R, national parliamentary election. Incumbent broke the year-long trend with elections and won, however, there are still coalition talks as to the exact composition of the government. Scuba15:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. There's no prose at all on the results or aftermath, an unreferenced section and unreferenced table, a blank seats diagram, extensive WP:PROSELINE problems etc. The article needs work before it could be posted. Modest Geniustalk16:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose It's only being trumpeted between conservative and some extreme liberal voices complaining that Biden said he wouldn't do it in the first place. Hunter has been used as a political pawn and it's very much internal US politics that have little large term impacts. Masem (t) 00:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dismissing the pardon as insignificant overlooks its broader implications. The pardon of a sitting president’s child is a highly unprecedented event. Moreover, ignoring or downplaying the significance of a president pardoning his son blocks public scrutiny to the case, eroding Wikipedia's transparency as a free encyclopedia. It’s an event that speaks to transparency, fairness, and the potential for conflicts of interest, which affect the world's major power. The claim that "it’s only being trumpeted by conservative and extreme liberal voices" suggests that those who disagree with this action are merely a fringe group, which is a gross oversimplification (despite those two groups technically making up over half of the population). By framing the situation in such binary, partisan terms, you ignore the legitimate concerns of the broader public, many of whom may feel uncomfortable with such an unprecedented move regardless of their political affiliation, not even mentioning that there are 4 sources linked there, and none of them can be labeled as conservatives nor extremely liberal. It is essential to separate political leanings from legitimate critiques of power and authority. These concerns are not about "political pawn" narratives—they’re about ensuring checks and balances in governance, something that is central to any healthy democracy. Furthermore, the argument that this is a minor issue with "little long-term impact" fails to understand the symbolic significance of this act. Dismissing the matter as insignificant risks trivializing an important issue that could have far-reaching effects on the public's trust in their leaders. By not addressing this transparently, we allow a culture of impunity to develop—something that harms everybody. In conclusion, minimizing or disregarding the significance of such an unprecedented act is both naive and dangerous.45.164.174.27 (talk) 05:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given how much criticism there exists on Trump's incoming administration, including those who he had already pardoned, this action by Biden is extremely small in the larger picture of things. It is not going to change the course of US politics one iota from the path it is currently on. It is not WP's place to right great wrongs, or in this case, to call out on the hypocrisy of what Biden promised verses what he actually did, and thus to question the public's trust in US leadership. Masem (t) 05:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. Little to no long term impact. Wikipedia is not obligated to show every news item in ITN, and posting or not posting is not an issue of transparency. Natg 19 (talk) 06:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt it's not every day that the President of the United States pardons his son of any and all crimes, both known and unknown, over a decade long period, especially after promising to not to. Scuba06:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Heads of state pardon convicted criminals all the time. I don't see why is this one particularly notable given that he's not even been convicted on any of the criminal offences.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was convicted on criminal gun possession and tax fraud charges, just never got to sentencing on either case. Else the pardon wouldn't be necessary. Not saying that to support posting, just that these criminal convictions are on the books. — Masem (t) 13:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Syrian Army announces a total withdrawal from Aleppo, formally acknowledging the fall of the city to rebel forces, and saying that its troops will regroup and launch a counter-offensive to retake the city. (Reuters)
A Russianairstrike hits a busy roundabout in Aleppo, killing at least 16 people and injuring 20 others, the first time that Russian warplanes have targeted the city since 2016. (SOHR)
Local forces in Talbiseh, northern Homs Governorate, attack Syrian Army convoys withdrawing towards Homs, seizing control of the town's checkpoint and burning it following pro-government forces withdrawal. (SOHR)
At least nine people are killed and four others are injured after an attack against a comercial zone in Apaseo el Grande, Guanajuato. Authorities related the attack with the drug sales in the zone. (La Silla Rota)
A student attacked his classmates with a hammer injuring two before being subdued by other students in the San Ándres Highschool, Guadalajara, México. The attack was streamed via X and the perpetrator used to share supremacist and violent content in his social media. (El Debate)
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Oppose on quality missing aftermath section. Given Botafogo is showing that scrapping the long-established existing system of ownership prevalent throughout South America with the introduction of private investment is bearing results, this looks (for now at least) like a turning point; the article should mention this. Also the fact that Atlético Mineiro were clear favourites and did much better throughout the tournament until the disastrous final isn’t made clear either. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx hard to say Atlético were favorites - Brazilian media were not considering it as such, since despite Atlético's better campaign at the Libertadores, Botafogo leads the Brazilian Championship and may become its champion next Wednesday. There is a section on their road to the final as well. Also, both teams became privately owned, Botafogo is not the only one showing its results. Solon26.12522:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Re-nominating as more comprehensive article has been created and previous nomination withdrawn. Protests have severely escalated, widespread police brutality akin to the 2020 Belarusian protests. The president has called the government illegitimate, which is very unusual. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support on notability. This seems like a reverse January 6 to me, an American, with the president and a large number of protestors (and what seem to be a larger proportion of the civilian population) rejecting their recent election's results. Oppose on quality - everything's cited but it could definitely stand to be better organized. Departure– (talk) 04:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality only. There's definitely violence associated with this, and the EU membership withdrawl itself is also newsworthy. But as noted, the article has many unsourced paragraphs, and I would urge those that want to see this posted to try to avoid day-by-day blows and try to write how the protests happened more narratively. --Masem (t) 04:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance. Lean oppose on quality for now, though the target article and blurb are better than the previous nomination. This reminds me of Euromaidan and the colour revolutions. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The protests haven't yet succeeded to make any significant changes in country's politics, and the violence hasn't resulted in deaths and destruction of cultural monuments. The right to protest is one of the fundamental human rights, so a protest isn't notable for inclusion per se. As for the "suspended application for EU membership", this is a POV-pushing incorrect statement as it appears that the accession talks were only postponed. Moreover, even if the accession talks were suspended, they would have absolutely zero impact on the EU (frankly speaking, it's not a withdrawal from the EU like Brexit).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are burning effigies of Ivanishvili and firing fireworks at the parliament building, and Georgian Dream offices are being demolished. Police are beating men, women and minors alike to a pulp in the street in plain view. Protests don't have to be successful to be posted, the 2020 Belarusian protests were posted, and they weren't successful at all. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The significance of those protests was that they happened in a dictatorship where authorities supress any form of democratic movement and there were no protests of that scale since country's independence. Georgia is more democratic than Belarus and has a history of similar protests in the past, so these protests aren't really that special for now. Burning effigies, firing fireworks and demolishing offices are regular activities conducted during violent protests everywhere around the globe. Unless there are confirmed deaths, severely damaged cultural and historical landmarks, or real changes in country's politics, I don't think these protests are ready for posting (article's quality aside).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Giving the last elections were equally quite blatantly falsified, the president has called the Georgian Dream, a party which wants to outlaw all opposition parties, a "rogue government", and what we are currently seeing is the authorities supressing any form of democratic movement, there is little difference between the two. The only difference is that Belarus has been a dictatorship since 1995 and not 2024. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that there's clearly a democratic backsliding in Georgia mostly because of the 'foreign agent' law, but I'm unsure to what extent the election results were falsified (if falsified at all). I spent almost two weeks travelling around Georgia last year and got a different picture than the one presented by the Western media. The majority of people acknowledged that they had to maintain normal relations with Russia due to the economic dependence and fear from potential Russian invasion. My conclusion was that many Georgians support Georgian Dream simply because they don't want a Ukrainian scenario or an economic collapse in case they introduce sanctions as requested by the EU (Note that Russia is one of Georgia's largest trade partners, many Russians visit Georgia and spend a lot of money there, and Russia is home to the largest Georgian diaspora in the world.). In other words, Georgia's geopolitics without a land border with the EU is such that they have to maintain good relations with Russia. That being said, I don't trust Western media about the situation in Georgia at all, especially the labels that not being pro-EU automatically means pro-Russian, and I believe that the election results were not falsified to the extent to change the winner (Moreover, there are only accusations from the opposition parties that the results were falsified with no proof, and international observers refrained from declaring that the election was free and fair or that there was an electoral fraud.). This is my opinion built upon my personal experience from visiting Georgia. Others may have other opinions.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on principle but Oppose on quality, none if the current protests are actually documented, only the govt level responses. Masem (t) 15:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: It looks like a 3-way tie and it will be a while before any coalition talks and a government is formed. Article needs results section to verify expanded and an aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Obviosuly ITNR, but I don't think the blurb is particularly good. I would wait until we have a more definitive idea of how many seats each party will win, and then look at how reliable sources are describing the outcome. In particular, I think it might be preferable for the blurb to mention which party is the largest. Gust Justice (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Owing to the incredibly complex electoral system used in Ireland, this is about the only blurb we can post for a very long time. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe this is a stupid question, but how then do we know the results are going to be close without substantial results, besides the fact that polling SEEMS to show this is the likely result, seemingly similar to last election? DarkSide830 (talk) 04:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say it's a stupid question DarkSide830. We just don't know without substantial results truthfully. The vote transfers are going to differ from voter to voter, and first preference winner does not necessarily equate to whoever gets the most seats. Sinn Fein topped the polls last election, but didn't nominate enough candidates from what I recall, so their excess preferences flowed to smaller left leaning parties. The final coalition wound up excluding SF altogether. I feel like saying it is a hung parliament is reading the tea leaves a bit early. Per my previous comments, The Guardian's article that was used as the news source for this nomination doesn't even mention a "hung parliament" from what I could see. Ornithoptera (talk) 10:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a comment on the last time we ran the Irish election here, and he said that every election as long as he was alive resulted in a hung parliament; I dunno if that's true, but that's plausible. So this blurb indeed is not particularly good, so I'd suggest to wait until we have an idea on how hung it is, I guess. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait While first preference votes have been counted, Ireland's STV system means that the final seat count for the various parties (which can determine who would be prime for forming the next government) is not. We have a rough guess using the initial preferences, but I would advise that we wait until we have more than the initial preferences to go off of. Another issue is that the article cited for the blurb does not even mention a hung parliament, it only speaks to the exit poll (which wound up showing Sinn Fein on top, despite Fianna Fail placing first) everything's speculative at this point. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per others and propose alternative blurb. We shouldn't use "hung parliament" in a non-Westminster context. It makes no sense, as the electoral system is not geared to generate a clear winner. We wouldn't say that the German general election resulted in a hung parliament either. Khuft (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose, sadly. Flooding in SE Asia countries is very routine with thousands killed each year, the problem is that there is usually no single major flood event that gets significant attention in the news to make any single flood event newsworthy. --Masem (t) 13:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am speaking to how reliable sources cover these, which give far less attention to other mass casualty events. If these floods where given the same weight of coverage as hurricanes, that would be different, but the fact that we really only see these floods get covered a few times each year despite thd death toll and impact on people there is a sign that these events are more routine. — Masem (t) 16:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: ITN/R, national parliamentary election. Another incumbent lost, however, there are still coalition talks as to the exact composition of the government. Scuba15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Appears to be in mostly good shape - there's just one paragraph lacking citation in the Electoral System section. As well, some response to the results in the article would be appreciated. Departure– (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Nominating to draw attention to it, this will likely be ongoing for a very long time given EU accession is enshrined in the country's constitution and that the falsified elections weren't overturned. Previous protests werent posted only because the article wasn't made in time and it failed on quality, although since has been expanded, hoping for help of others on this to avoid the sane fate. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would reword the blurb as "... formally announces the country will suspend its application for EU membership". According to this article, the PM said that the negotiations were on hold until the end of 2028, but that the government would still aim for EU membership by 2030; maybe one could cynically claim that this amounts to the same thing in practice, but let's stick to what the government "formally announced".
I agree that the stub as it currently stands is obviously not sufficient to post. I would be open to supporting based on significance, but it's still a bit early to judge how important these protests will end up being. Does anyone know how many protesters there are/were, for one basic metric? The sources I've found just say "thousands". 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless some escalation in protests will happen. So far nothing serious is happened yet. Btw Georgia's EU accession process was suspended in July[4]. Currently government just formally accept reality that in near future accession is unlikely. But main goal to join EU in 2030 is still not abandoned. 46.188.18.196 (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 107 arrests, widespread brutality, 2nd night of unrest with no signs of abating, so I strongly disagree this isn’t serious, there's hundreds of videos circulating of police bearing defenceless children and women in the street. Will try and expand later, help is welcome. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: The fire artricle is in good shape, and we could also link the cathedral itself (I only see a couple tagged things). That said, while the official opening to the public is next week on the 7th, Macron gave a large, widely-covered tour today to unveil the new interior prior to that opening. I can see holding off until next week to post, but I think we're getting the bigger coverage now (and given the dates, we're past the CRYSTAL point and the opening has little likelihood of not happening). It would be nice to get new interior pictures but I believe those will be subject to copyright, and I don't see any immediately new image of the cathedral in the last couple months, post-reconstruction. Masem (t) 17:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, there's a lot media coverage today with Macron's tour of it. We could wait but it will be unclear which point will have the most coverage. — Masem (t) 18:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To any non-involved party: Consensus appears to be to close until Notre-Dame actually re-opens, with overall consensus trending towards support, but an early close here appears likely. I've seen no arguments for posting this now so a non-involved party closing this would be appreciated, barring any dissidence towards this early closure. I'd do it myself, but we're still a few steps short of a snowstorm. Departure– (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Big historical landmark. Officially open to all guests. People are wrongly claiming it’s not open yet. Also, can somebody suggest the Irish election for tomorrow? 68.160.249.84 (talk) 01:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is going by the December date when the public will be allowed to visit, and we have reliable sources stating that. Also, we don't prematurely nominate elections - especially ones with specific winners and parties that hold onto, gain, or lose power in government. Departure– (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The fire was big time news, but the re-opening is nowhere near as important for the front page. We have WAY more important events going on right now that deserve coverage instead. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support once it actually opens to the public. The reopening is definitely a notable event in itself, and the subject is nicely encyclopedic. Yakikaki (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: New supranational government, in office until 2029, of political significance equal to a change of national government. Will take office on 1 December 2024. Sandstein 10:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC) Sandstein 10:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The right news to post was her re-election in the same way we posted her election in 2019. This is just a routine change within the European Commission. Across individual countries, we generally post parliamentary election results, not when the government is officially formed and the cabinet is complete.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITN often disagrees on when to post a change in head of government (which this is too, technically, as Von der Leyen will also commence her new term of office). We oscillate between posting the election or the assumption of the office. But that's not a reason not to post on either occasion, as long as we agree that the story is important. Sandstein 15:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Quite a good article. Given we bizarrely failed to post Von der Leyen's re-election we should definitely post this. The European Commission is one of the most powerful bodies in the world, and uniquely powerful for a supranational union. AusLondonder (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The United States is politically and economically more powerful, influential and independent than the European Union. Moreover, we don't have a rule that supranational unions should be assigned more significance. That being said, a supranational union isn't a valid argument to support this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the same logic. At least they were demonstrating some; your argument ("Go USA", fauxcomparatives etc) possesses a certain paucity in that department. SerialNumber54129
I don’t admire the US politics very much, but I can’t deny the facts (I didn’t tell the IMF and World Bank that US should have 50% higher GDP than the EU). You’re welcome to elaborate what is EU’s real power that makes it significant (maybe Germany going into recession after imposing sanctions against Russia?). People here should divorce from their emotions that the EU is the greatest and most influential thing that ever happened in the world. Yes, it was initially a peaceful project between the European nations with the goal of uniting Europe, but it eventually ended up in a union propagating the non-sense that the largest country in Europe is actually not European. For what it’s worth, I’m European.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The United States is certainly a union -- it's right there in the name. Its states were separate colonies and still have their own governments and laws. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is a purely procedural matter. Kiril is right that her election was the thing to post; we could have posted her re-election too, but the fact that we didn't isn't by itself justification for posting this lesser event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Kiril and Genevieve; the window for posting was when the election occurred, not at the time when the term actually started. It would be a slippery slope to allow "oh, we missed it, lets post here instead"-type logic for ITNR items (which I am pretty sure the election would have been treated as). --Masem (t) 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, this article isn't in good shape- it has way too many tables compared to text content, and is orange tagged for section needing update. And it's based on an election event that is stale. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per TDKR Chicago 101. It was a failure not to post von der Leyen's election, so we can repair it with the election of the commission, its quasi von der Leyen's inauguration. Grimes2 (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above. Is not the formation of a government, it is the election of a government by a parliament. Just as the election of a PM by a parliament would be posted, so is the election of the European Commission. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Maybe we should have posted earlier about this topic, but it is better to post this one rather than nothing at all. Important topic, so better late than never. Tradediatalk15:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Kinda big deal, actually. This is the one that counts, following the European elections in June. I found the article to be in a surprisingly good shape, too. Yakikaki (talk) 19:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose blurb No clear indication of being a major/great figure in the article (such as a legacy or impact section). For example, while the lede touches on being a major figure of the Golden Age of Mexican film, this is nowhere expanded upon in the body. If such a section could be created to support the recognizition, that would make it more appropriate for a blurb, but right now, based on the current state of the article, it would be hand-waving without sufficient sources to back the claim. --Masem (t) 05:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: First major offensive since the 2020 ceasefire, over 25 villages and towns taken, the rebels are also at the door of Aleppo again. We might want to also add this to ongoing. Scuba15:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those clashes saw fighting for a single village, this offensive has seen the rebels capture 40+ villages, 2 cities, a military base, and are again in Aleppo, one of the major cities of Syria. They aren't really comparable. Scuba15:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. While this is indeed a re-escalation of the fighting, the amount of territory retaken is fairly small so far. If the opposition forces recapture Aleppo, I think that would be significant enough to post; a few towns on the approaches to the city are not. Let's see how this plays out before posting anything. Modest Geniustalk12:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, they took the citadel today, the main SAA-Hezbollah-IRGC HQ in the center of the city. Only real resistance is coming from the kurds in the Sheikh Maqsoud neighbourhood. All government buildings, including the police HQ have been taken. Scuba23:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and recenter nomination on Aleppo in case it falls. I feel this is only making major headlines now that the opposition is in the outskirts of Aleppo. Would be worth waiting if the city falls - that would certainly be major news. Khuft (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I would at least wait a few days, letting the ceasefire news stabilize for a bit, as well as to actually make sure the ceasefire holds. Also, as this is only a 60-day ceasefire, we may need to be prepared to readd it in late Jan/early Feb. if hostilies immediately flare back up. --Masem (t) 14:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Israel is still prohibiting the return of Lebanese civilians, and has threatened to pick up hostilities again. We should wait and see if they're serious about the ceasefire. Scuba15:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Was thinking of nominating myself. It's a complete contradiction to say in the top headline there's a ceasefire, while also saying it's "ongoing". Makes us look silly. If hostilities break out again it's easy enough to re-add it. — Amakuru (talk) 17:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: there was an airstrike today. Israel interprets the "ceasefire" agreement that allows it to continue attacking Lebanon. Israeli troops are still inside Lebanon and preventing Lebanese from returning home[5].VR(Please ping on reply)20:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 60 days is not a lot of time for a ceasefire. Anything can happen within those 60 days and tensions are still high. If it becomes more permanent, then I support removal. INeedSupport:303:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose on quality per above. Article needs to be updated. Otherwise I support on notability. We've effectively established by precedent that ICC arrest warrants for world leaders are ITN-worthy, and Aung Hlaing is the de facto head of state of Myanmar. FlipandFlopped ツ16:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The source listed above says plainly that "the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court (ICC) is seeking an arrest warrant ... A panel of three ICC judges must now rule on the prosecutor’s request." So, an arrest warrant has not yet been issued. This is the second recent example of failure to get the basic facts right. Tsk. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Andrew. This was the same case with the warrants for the Israeli leaders - they submitted a request mid-year, and it was only granted in the last month. --Masem (t) 17:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose both on quality and importance. The article has almost no prose, just tables and lists. This is a new competition (only the third time held) with highly questionable significance. The previous edition was held five years ago and was merely a qualifying process for baseball at the Olympics. This year's rosters are full of minor league and free agent players; players in the world's top leagues did not take part. There seems to have been little interest from broadcasters or mainstream media. I don't see a case for posting this, let alone adding it to ITNR (as proposed on the talk page). Modest Geniustalk13:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Broadcasting wise, the tournament had deals for TV (including Free to Air) in Asia and Central America, for outside those regions had a global deal with DAZN.
Yes, some players that played in Climax Series and Japan Series were in 2024 WBSC Premier12 rosters , not just Ryoya Kurihara, but also Chusei Mannami and Shugo Maki (a BayStars capitan that played in 2023 WBC) was there. Althoout Premier12 is mostly used to test new players for the next WBC.
Ohtani is by far is the most popular Japanese player right now so anything with him on it will surpass something that has not, 2023 Word Baseball Classic Final was more popular than 2023 World Series there, this year all World Series games were shown in FTA TV only beacuse Ohtani was on it, most of years those games are thrown into NHK BS only and often cut out by BS programing.
it is a new tournament but is already stabilized, Baseball went various reforms during last decade, World Baseball Classic replacing the old Baseball World Cup and becoming main major international championship alongside the creation of Premier12 as the replacement of the old Intercontinental Cup.
There's no "claim it's a new thing". It'd be ultra-restrictive to effectively say that if something wasn't nominated and successfully posted its very first year of existence that it's henceforth banned from posting. Window closed. The end. Or what if it wasn't hypothetically notable until now? Judge it on today's merits. —Bagumba (talk) 15:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment With sports events what is not on ITNR I believe we should strongly avoid unless shown otherwise (I don't think it has been here). Though I would like to point out the usage of Chinese Taipei, I am not sure if the term has ever been posted to ITN but such a political term shouldn't go without a qualifier; at a glance it would appear to a reader to do something with the PRC when it pertains to the ROC, as such a parantheses with Taiwan should exist for such cases. Gotitbro (talk) 02:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was used only for elections, not for sports as far i remember
That said i am in favor of the use of the Taiwan term to be used beacuse of common name, i was in doubt if i should use or not since of the highest stantards ITN tends to have, so i went with team name just in case Meganinja202 (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability top global competition in a global sport. Just because it hasn't been posted before doesn't mean we can't do so, and basing notability on TV viewing figures is pointless as they are often incorrect, viewership us difficult to measure, and popularity doesn't stem from TV anymore. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability - genuinely global event, organised by a recognised authority in the sport in question, which is one with a global following even though two countries tend to dominate the headlines. But oppose on quality, as the article lacks sufficient prose narrative, and in places has tense problems implying that the tournament is yet to occur or still going on. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The top international baseball competition is the World Baseball Classic. The Premier12 does not include MLB players so it really ISN'T a top level competition in the sport, IMO. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both are on the same senior international level, while WBC is the World Cup equivalent, P12 is the Confederations/Intercontinental Cup equivalent, so is on top level of importancy, also both are sanctioned by WBSC.
I mean, Japan winning is irrelevant. My point is the Premier12 is effectively just the WBC without MLB players (aka most of the best players in the world, acknowledging a few NPB and one or two KBO players likely make this cut). It's not nearly the headline-grabber that the WBC is and much less hyped. I love baseball and did some Premier12-related editing on some pages. I don't think you can make the soccer comp though seeing as it's such a massive outlier as far as global sport popularity goes. Very few sports we have at ITN/R have several different international competitions like this in play. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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