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November 21

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November 21, 2024 (2024-11-21) (Thursday)

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November 20

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November 20, 2024 (2024-11-20) (Wednesday)

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RD: John Prescott

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Article: John Prescott (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal Danish Navy detains a Chinese vessel in the first enforcement action since 1959 of the Convention for the Protection of Submarine Telegraph Cables. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Article updated

 Nominator's comment: I threw this article on the 1959 incident together a few minutes ago after news of the Danish intervention broke; I believe it's in good shape but apologies for any errors or omissions due to haste Chetsford (talk) 00:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose for now - the target should be 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions or ideally Yi Peng 3, the ship detained. If something is conclusively proven and charged in a court of law or any escalations or developments to any of the numerous wars going on worldwide come of this, maybe I'll support, but for now it's equivalent to a marginally important arrest of a private individual and therefore not ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw as nom My apologies, I wasn't aware we had a 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions article at all. Thanks to Departure– for pointing this out. Chetsford (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Tony Campolo

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Article: Tony Campolo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American sociologist and Baptist pastor. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks good. Except for like two sentences all other sections are cited well. Rynoip (talk) 22:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hīkoi mō te Tiriti

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Article: Hīkoi mō te Tiriti (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hīkoi mō te Tiriti arrives at New Zealand's Parliament with over 60,000 people after 9 day journey to protest bill that would reform the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hīkoi mō te Tiriti (pictured) arrives as the largest protest in the country's history at New Zealand's Parliament, protesting the bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights.
Alternative blurb II: ​ New Zealand witnesses the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reinterpret the Treaty of Waitangi.
Alternative blurb III: ​ New Zealand witnesses the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ New Zealand witnesses one of the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
News source(s): 1news.co.nz
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  • Support the hīkoi is seven times the size of the notable 1975 Land March led by Dame Whina Cooper. Videos of MP Hana-Rwhiti Maipi-Clarke's haka in Parliament on the 14th, relevant to the hīkoi and the Treaty Priniciples Bill are already viral and in global news cycles. Ladygeekiness (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Link to Māori land march article for context. Schwede66 08:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I disagree it's minor, it has made all major news outlets around the world even in non-anglophone countries, which usually pay very little attention to New Zealand and even less so to Maori issues. The lack of violence should not be a factor on notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The barrier for inclusion in major news outlets is extremely low. That should not be used as a judgement of significance, because news reports events big and small. Masem (t) 13:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That applies to domestic news though, if this protest was not notable nor impactful it would not have gathered so much global attention. Plenty of genuinely important news does not get reported either it's a double-edged sword anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It appears that the bill is unlikely to become law anyway and so there’s little impact. Such demonstrations and protests are common — for example, there was a big farmers’ protest in London on this day. This one doesn’t seem sufficiently significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A run-of-the-mill, peaceful protest against a bill the NZ government has said it will not back coming into law. No different from the Farmer protests here in the UK at the moment. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Absolutely notable, and rare significant news from that corner of the globe. Comparisons to other countries of course run afoul of WP:ITNATA. Duly signed, [[User:WaltCip|⛵ WaltClipper
  • Comment - I'm utterly befuddled by the rationales used to oppose this item so far. One rationale implies that because there wasn't any violence or killing, it isn't notable; another says that because the journey across country took nine days, that it's technically outside the news cycle; and another is speculating that the bill won't become law anyway so there's no point in protesting. Much of this doesn't have any bearing on the actual significance of the item. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We posted the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum, this is perhaps even more significant in that it signals a rollback of already agreed upon law and rights. CRYSTALBALLing aside, about whether this may or may not pass, the protests have to be seen in the context of New Zealand politics where these are important (largest ever?) and a significant point in the country's and Maori history. Gotitbro (talk) 14:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference is the referendum was just that, a referendum with 15,739,686 votes. These are protests 82,000 strong (and that's being generous) in a country of 5.22 Million. Scuba 16:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A meaningless comparison. Voting in a referendum in Australia is compulsory. All the NZ protesters are there by choice. HiLo48 (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose protests aren't large enough to warrant posting. Any argument to the contrary is just a pro-Western bias. Comparing these protests to the 2024 Armenian protests for example, which had 20,000 protesters in a country of 3,000,000, several hundred arrests, and called for a regime change, the verdict of ITN was that it wasn't notable enough to post. These protests are 82,000 in a country of 5,200,000 and are seeking to preserve the special status of one ethnic group over others.
It would be a heinous double standard if we post this to ITN. Scuba 17:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hong Kong 47

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Article: Hong Kong 47 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 45 pro-democracy activists and politicians are sentenced under the Chinese law on Hong Kong national security as a results of participation in the 2020 Hong Kong pro-democracy primaries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: lagrest trial under the HK national security law.-Manchiu (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait Tables are not fully filled. Aftermath section is not added yet. Besides, many activists are jailed every year, although this is significant in terms of the number of activists jailed, I don't think we should be giving special consideration to this incident. TNM101 (chat) 14:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This more than "activists getting jailed", but is a greater geo-political issue of the erosion of democratic norms in Hong Kong. Natg 19 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose though this court case is notable, we are now in the sentencing phase, which is not as notable. The time to post this would have been in 2021 when the activists were arrested and charged. Natg 19 (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, if we did not post this before, it would be fine to post this now. However, the article still needs improvement. Natg 19 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article quality is now good, although the aftermath section could use some expansion. Rynoip (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose on quality - The article hardly seems updated following sentencing. While it is in the article, it's not nearly enough prose to (in my eyes) justify an ITN blurb. Support on notability. Departure– (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shuntarō Tanikawa

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Article: Shuntarō Tanikawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese poet. His death announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:9D37:C1EF:6040:C288 (talk) 05:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose on article quality, i'd say add detail on what's listed on bro's greatest work, "Two Billion Light Years of Solitude (1952)". Also, if this article doesn't get approved soon, it may risk becoming stale as bro passed on november 13. BlondArkhangel (talk) 13:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two citation needed tags. Awards section has no sources. Secretlondon (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 18

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RD: Colin Petersen

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Article: Colin Petersen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian drummer for the Bee Gees. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some citations needed, and uncited paragraphs. Secretlondon (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Love

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Article: Bob Love (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball player. Needs additional work (orange-tagged). Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arthur Frommer

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Article: Arthur Frommer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Travel Weekly
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Frommer's travel guide book series. Thriley (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose: Chunks of the article aren't cited, there are also no sections and it's lacking in prose. Scuba 02:06, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: György Pauk

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Article: György Pauk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian violinist, Bartók expert. Grimes2 (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is properly cited. Scuba 02:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Senegalese parliamentary election

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Article: 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The PASTEF party, led by Ousmane Sonko (pictured), claims victory in the 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (Post)
News source(s): France 24 Deutsch Welle
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs serious work, and needs to be updated, but when that is done this is ITN/R. More of a call to action for people to edit the article at the moment rather than a true submission to the board. Scuba 04:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are all dated from 18 November so this submission should be moved to tomorrow. Senegal uses UTC. Departure– (talk) 04:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved. Scuba 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose on quality as the article is very short, although it seems well sourced. Per AP, other major parties have conceded defeat to PASTEF and their victory seems all but guaranteed. I'd just like to confirm however, Sonko is the leader of PASTEF but he isn't mentioned in the AP article - I don't know enough about Senegalese politics to draw a major conclusion on this though. Departure– (talk) 17:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 17

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RD: Artur Sarnat

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Article: Artur Sarnat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wisła Kraków
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs expansion, but given the available sources should be easy to do. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 MotoGP World Championship

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Article: 2024 MotoGP World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorcycle racing, Jorge Martín (pictured) wins the MotoGP World Championship. (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Unnamelessness (talk) 14:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose needs an infobox. Scuba 21:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such rule. HiLo48 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, none of the MotoGP championship articles have an infobox. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 00:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but my question is why? Abcmaxx (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, well, that's a problem. Scuba 02:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article per MOS:INFOBOXUSE... there doesn't need to be one on any article, so its not a problem. Happily888 (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying it's a requirement, I'm just wondering why aren't there any, especially given they’re very useful on sports season articles. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a requirement, but it would be nice to have, and there isn't really a reason to not have one. Scuba 02:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

111th Grey Cup

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Article: 111th Grey Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Toronto Argonauts (MVP Nick Arbuckle pictured) defeat the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to win the Grey Cup. (Post)
News source(s): TSN
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I know that this article needs a game summary for this like in other sports (i.e. NFL, NBA, AFL, etc.) Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that the Grey Cup is ITNR so discussion should focus on quality instead of notability. Strong oppose on quality, much of the article is written in future tense and no details about the game itself are present. Departure– (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose summary that was added is all original research and has no citations. Scuba 02:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support problems with the article have been fixed. Scuba 04:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 16

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RD: John Hine

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Article: John Hine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic Hierachy, Archdiocese of Southwark
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English Catholic Bishop  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added another source. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 06:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Wuxi stabbing attack

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Article: 2024 Wuxi stabbing attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A stabbing attack in Wuxi, China kills 8 and injures 17. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In a school in Wuxi, China, a graduate student stabs 25.
News source(s): AP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Second mass attack in a week. (the first being the ramming) '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vladimir Shklyarov

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Article: Vladimir Shklyarov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article not too bad, needs a few more citations in places though. Needs a section on their death given that he was taking painkillers for an injury and fell from fifth floor of a building in St. Petersburg. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gerry Weil

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Article: Gerry Weil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian-born Venezuelan jazz musician. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is a stub, nothing about his personal life. Rynoip (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pat Koch Thaler

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Article: Pat Koch Thaler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American educator, author, and activist. TJMSmith (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is sufficiently cited and in good quality. Rynoip (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Béla Károlyi

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Article: Béla Károlyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Romanian-American gymnastics coach of nine Olympic champions. Seems to be missing some citations. Estreyeria (talk) 02:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose article was looking good, until the 1999–2000 section, which is practically uncited. Scuba 03:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Olav Thon

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Article: Olav Thon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NTB
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks like a long enough article and well sourced. - Sebbog13 (talk) 03:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. Scuba 03:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud

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Article: Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC Somali) (VOA Somali) (The Eastleigh Voice)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The former Somaliland president died on November 15, coverage of his death started on November 16. The overall article seems well-cited with reliable and primary citations needed for some awards. QalasQalas (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose overall article looks good at a glance, until you notice a bunch of paragraphs with no citation. Scuba 03:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 15

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(Posted) RD: Jon Kenny

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Article: Jon Kenny (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2],[3],[4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish actor and comedian. Known for The Banshees of Inisherin among other things. Filmography (as usual) needs sourcing—being worked on now now sourced. SerialNumber54129 20:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good, refreshing to see a fully cited filmography. Scuba 03:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Celeste Caeiro

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Article: Celeste Caeiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Celeste dos Cravos, the woman who, giving her carnations to the soldiers, gave the name to the 1974 Carnation Revolution in Portugal. Been working on the article and I think it is already in a good state to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good. Scuba 04:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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It seems a consensus to post will not form. Closing. --Tone 20:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats 58 year old former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson. On the same card, Katie Taylor wins her second fight against Amanda Serrano. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats 58 year old former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson and Katie Taylor defeats Amanda Serrano.
News source(s): [[5]]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Significant in not only boxing, but sports in general. Appealed to a diverse audience of traditional boxing icons and celebrity-driven boxing with over 100 million people tuned in to watch the event. Also the first Netflix live sports stream, which was met with widespread criticism. Additionally, significant in women's boxing was the undercard of this event which was Taylor vs. Serrano. BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Firstly, thanks for this contribution BlondArkhangel. We continue to look for newer contributors such as yourself. Regarding this nomination, I was thinking that it would have been a WP:SNOW close given the reasonably high bar on posting that this project has. However, I saw that we had posted Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor in 2017. So, I am not sure how this will go. Btw, I, a novice to this sport, saw the women's fight and it was quite something. Congrats to the winners irrespective of the posting decision. Ktin (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. I also am not really into boxing but found this event to be extremely exciting. As far as I can tell, this event had two important fights in the world of boxing, and I actually think the Taylor-Serrano fight was actually a more anticipated fight for the boxing community, whereas the main event fight was more of a meh but still fun idea that gained lots of popularity. The fight itself was so huge that Netflix crashed and buffered multiple times, likely from the millions of people trying to watch it at the same time. Did you experience buffering while you were watching it? BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose don't think we have posted any recent boxing results. And this one (Paul vs Tyson) is not significant enough, as it was not even a title bout, but just a publicity stunt. Natg 19 (talk) 06:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see how the frequency of posting boxing results should be a criteria for ITN. Mike Tyson, is a pop culture figure and among one of the most dominant and famous boxers in his era. This event was talked about by many in and outside of the sports world and narrated as a 58 year old man is coming out of retirement to beat an influencer in Jake Paul. In the sports world this event, even if it was a publicity stunt, has a lot of significant aspects to it that have attracted the likes of people who don't even box. However, I would argue it wasn't just a publicity stunt, Taylor and Serrano's rematch was extremely hyped in the boxing community and a well fought one at that. BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk was posted earlier this year, but that was a fight for the undisputed heavyweight title. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose, I'm more inclined to see this as entertainment news(which we try to avoid), rather than sport news. WP:ITNSPORTS doesn't say anything about boxing, but my understanding is that his was a relatively routine fight that is not worthy of ITN. –DMartin 07:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we do post this, I oppose blurbs which mention the women's fight. The significance of this event is the main fight which was Paul vs Tyson. There were 6 other fights on the fight card, so it is cherry picking to mention Serrano vs Taylor. Natg 19 (talk) 08:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Serrano vs. Taylor was the co-main event. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking to me. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. BlondArkhangel (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose None of these were official title fights. --Masem (t) 13:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not limited to title fights if their media attention is exceptional. Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor was a boxing match that was featured in in the news and not a title fight, but had widespread publicity. Paul v. Tyson is statistically a more watched event than that and arguably just as popular. BlondArkhangel (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment' correct me if I’m wrong be abuse I’m not into boxing but McGregor v Mayweather was more significant because they are both significant fighters with many titles, not an influencer v an old man 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Serrano vs. Taylor was a title fight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. This is a sideshow, not the top flight of the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support the news isn't so much the fight, but the attention and spectacle surrounding it. It's very much ITN, but I'd oppose the current blurbs. I also don't have any suggestions on what it should be, hence weak support. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As said by other above, we don't put boxing results in general, but also this was more of an entertainment piece, also this was not official title match, so could be very well rigged for entertainment, it would just serve as unnecessary advertisement for Netflix. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 14:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The purpose of ITN is to reflect events that capture widespread public attention. This event has definitely garnered that title. If anything this would hurt Netflix, the amount of technical difficulties in the streaming of the event could show significance even beyond the fight and in other sports streamed by Netflix. BlondArkhangel (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The purpose of ITN is to show quality WP articles that happen to be in the news. It is NOT a news ticker. — Masem (t) 16:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on significance - not a world-changing sporting event, nor is it ITNR. Maybe if it wasn't the era of the internet, I'd consider supporting for that 100 million figure, but as far as I can tell that isn't much of a record. Strong oppose on quality as the article has next to no details about the fight itself. Departure– (talk) 16:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose we shouldn’t be giving the Paul brothers any more platforms than they’ve already bought. Also the article is in poor shape. Scuba 19:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are a hypocrite for injecting your own opinion about these figures while criticizing my recent oppose vote for another nomination. Focus on the article quality, like you told me. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Taking a page out of your book, oppose votes don't have to be rational, you said so yourself. Scuba 03:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For this type of conflict, it would seem that the death count is entirely too low to be worth mention. :) -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not being especially well-remembered right now. The BBC coverage is fairly harshly critical. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Ella Jenkins

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Article: Ella Jenkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American "First Lady of Children's Folk Song"; died November 9, media coverage appears to start on November 11. Core article seems well-cited, with citations needed for some awards. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose chunks of the article aren’t cited. Scuba 19:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would anyone else be willing to take a look at the article? Referencing should be further improved at this point. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elizabeth Nunez

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Article: Elizabeth Nunez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. NYT published obit today while confirming death as 8 November. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks in good shape Scuba 19:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eileen Kramer

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Article: Eileen Kramer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC Net
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 22:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yuriko, Princess Mikasa

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Article: Yuriko, Princess Mikasa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHK World
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Some work is needed, but Yuriko, Princess Mikasa was one of the last royals of Japan born and from the Taisho era, married one of Emperor Showa's brothers, and was the oldest living royal in Japan following her husband's death. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 02:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added this to the rule summary at the top of the page. It looks like these are good faith votes from people who are unaware of the above, and it comes up very often in comments, so added it for awareness. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt it was that much of a shock. Like Queen Elizabeth she was in advanced old age and her health was known to be in decline. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She was 101, how shocking could it have been? RachelTensions (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Japanese people are feeling bad about this, that's what they seem to mean. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 15:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RDs are "eligible" for opposition, but oppose votes should be based on article quality. "Halting importance globally" is not a reason to oppose, as Scu ba has stated. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They should, but they don't have to. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, but those votes have to make sense. Scuba 19:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are there better refs for these awards in Japanese sources? Some of the current refs are blogs. Natg 19 (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 14

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November 14, 2024 (2024-11-14) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Thomas E. Kurtz

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Article: Thomas E. Kurtz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-developer of the BASIC programming language. Death reported 14 November. Thriley (talk) 06:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election

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Article: 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The National People's Power led by Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the Sri Lankan parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I think this article needs to have more information on the aftermath but following that it should be good to post Titanciwikitalk/contrib 03:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all the numbers are here, but the aftermath section is short. Scuba 04:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks fine. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 05:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- IDB.S (talk) 15:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

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Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

 VR (Please ping on reply) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a proposal to replace the ongoing item Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) with 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. There was consensus at Talk:Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present)#Options that the scope of the former article should end at Sep 30, 2024 and events after Oct 1, 2024 should be covered in the latter article. Multiple weeks have passed and no one has objected. I think changing the ongoing will also redirect editors to add updates to the appropriate article.VR (Please ping on reply) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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