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Working on debugging Stanley Kubrick's relations with regards to 'World Assembly of Youth' - may not be actual director

Hello,

I'm working on a bit of a controversial piece with regards to Stanley Kubrick and the elusive "world Assembly of Youth" film, ps the footage has been found. I've started editing the parts I know, but there's going to be a bit of a shocker - because the footage was found, we now know it was produced under the "News of the Day" group, but New of the Day should be de func by 1952.

Now how Stanley Kubrick is involved in this I and other historian's are still not sure. I've literally combed the National Archives(to quote the movie the movie SpaceBalls, "we ain't found ****"), in which not only was Stanley Kubrick not an employee of the Department of State, but other than one document that specifically states anything regarding this film's association with the Department of State wasn't really supposed to be known, nothing is really known about how the film was produced. So here comes this odd inconsistency where one of Stanley Kubrick's resume's states "World Assembly of Youth". Oh, and that he did it for the State Department. Which no one was supposed to know, but fi, he told everyone regardless.

For a documentary film, should one provide a synopsis breaking down the scenes? I figure then set up a header with regards to "Questions of Stanley Kubrick's involvement"?

Also, I have a bunch of pdf's from the national archive with regards to this, and other information from the Roosevelt museum that fill in the gaps of what the "way" meeting actually was intended for - it was a youth meeting to create a consensus on a draft UN bill for Universal Human Rights. So really, the WAY meeting was massively influential on not just the US but the world as a whole, yet has become seemingly forgotten nearly entirely.

thanks for y'alls time -Nick NicholasMorrish (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

NicholasMorrish, you appear to be discussing the article World Assembly of Youth (film). This is referenced very sparsely: it cites three sources, and cites each of the three just once. One of the three appears to be a minimal announcement in a decades-old newspaper; I haven't looked at this. Another starts "This blog post is a reflection on the process of archival research I conducted for my book Stanley Kubrick Produces." This is not encouraging; but, since it's not published in the writer's own blog, it might be usable. The third is "If you believe they put a man on the Moon; A Fiction-Meets-Fact Story about Stanley Kubrick’s involvement with the Department Of State", by Nicholas Morrish: a long, richly illustrated and possibly [I don't know; I haven't even started to read it] piece available via Google Docs, which starts: "This is the strange tale about investigating whether or not it was possible that world renowned director Stanley Kubrick had been involved with the 1352nd Motion Picture Squadron. Since then, it’s morphed into something of a chronicle of events focusing on Kubrick’s involvement with the Department of State during 1952." Well, let it keep morphing, until it reaches a state where it's submitted to, accepted by, and put out by a publisher that will have subjected it to editorial oversight. Until that happens, it's unusable. As for the assertion that something or other "was massively influential on [...] the world as a whole, yet has become seemingly forgotten nearly entirely", let's wait until it has been remembered by reliable sources before we pay it attention here. -- Hoary (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

That's understandable about my self published nature, but you're unlikely to deny the fact that Professor James Fenwick discovered the film, and thus if my research is based on that discovery and valid, to deny entry is to allow false facts to perpetuate. I have many documents that I would like to submit with regards to the strange clandestine nature of this article, but I keep finding my images are blocked under various claims of dubious nature. These are simple, declassified documents from the State Department and the National Archives at Hyde Park with regards to the historical relevance of Eleanor Roosevelt's impacts on not just national but world affairs. NicholasMorrish (talk) 22:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

NicholasMorrish, please read Wikipedia:No original research. Either expand what you've written and have it published as a book (and not via "subsidized" publishing), or condense it and have it published as a journal article (and not in a predatory/sham journal). And then some editor unconnected with the author may choose to cite the published material in an article about this film. -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

That's fair, I wasn't aware of that and willingly admit I'm new to this. I will proceed to get properly published before pursuring citation request.

I am still on the fence about what to do about uploading images of relevance. My intentions are pure, these are public domain, and I think once you see these documents, it reinforces not just the claims of release date but also other stated claims of USIS wanting to avoid attribution. Here's the Department of State doc https://imgur.com/a/dyhprGN

and here's the National Archives release from Hyde Park https://imgur.com/a/n0KgTbb as well a screen shot I'd like to use from the WAY meeting https://imgur.com/a/RQDOv4N

How would I best upload these? NicholasMorrish (talk) 23:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

NicholasMorrish, Wikipedia has a very unfortunate way of encouraging people to upload what isn't theirs but to announce that it is theirs, and then to transfer it to Wikimedia Commons (which is where it should have been uploaded in the first place, if it should have been uploaded at all). So it's no surprise that your upload of c:File:World Asssembly of Youth 1952.jpg announces that you are the copyright holder; whereas, as you surely know very well, you are not. The first thing to do is to go there and change the claimed copyright status so that it no longer says that you are the copyright holder and instead says that it's in the public domain, for this or that specific reason (see c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United States). Once that's done, you can, I suppose, upload the screenshot with the same PD claim; though NB I may be making a mistake here. Please post questions about, or somehow related to, copyright to c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Not because it's bad manners (!) to do so here, but because if you do so there you are far more likely to get knowledgable and helpful responses. -- Hoary (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

NicholasMorrish, those Imgur files are unpublished primary internal government documents that have no good use on Wikipedia. Documents like that are the raw materials that historians analyze. Wikipedia editors working on historical topics summarize the published work of historians, not their own interpretations of raw documents. Cullen328 (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

But they're relevant to the when and where. It is not that they're meant to be further scrutinized by the historical community, I have already shared them with those knowledgeable on the topic and there is little to scrutinize further, however, without these documents, there is little to verify the date of events and film release as its existence has strangely completely disappeared from the social awareness of such ground breaking humanitarian events. Part of the veneer that delicately wraps this strange and unique instance in history is the odd occurrence that such a massive event happened, yet nearly nothing is seemingly known about it, other than from these few sources. Without them, it's like it never existed at all. Not even Cornell University seemingly discusses these events, which hosted the darn event! The only thing that exists on it appears to be a box under the Alexander M. Drummond papers. NicholasMorrish (talk) 01:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

NicholasMorrish, let me be perfectly clear: If, as you say, nearly nothing is seemingly known about it, then that is the very definition of something that does not belong on Wikipedia at this time. Wikipedia does not publish original research in any way, shape or form. Stating Part of the veneer that delicately wraps this strange and unique instance in history is the odd occurrence that such a massive event happened, yet nearly nothing is seemingly known about it, other than from these few sources is waving a red flag in front of experienced editors telling them, "do your very best to keep this inappropriate content out of the encyclopedia". Do you understand? Cullen328 (talk) 08:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

So... if the producer(News of the Day) doesn't technically exist anymore... if I therefore give them authorship, yet there's no one to claim it, I haven't done anything wrong? NicholasMorrish (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

It is perfectly OK to attribute authorship to people who have died and entities that no longer exist. Cullen328 (talk) 01:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Any way to "merge" an article in English and other languages

Theres two articles one in Albanian and one in English that are about the same topic but in different languages but they dont show up in each others language option. Any way to make that be. The articles in question are UFO sightings in Albania and Rastet e kontakteve të UFO-ve në Shqipëri BBB2021 (talk) 09:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse @BBB2021. The language stuff is mainly managed in WikiData so to edit it you must go to the articles corresponding WikiData link. FusionSub (talk) 09:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I understand. Any guide on how i may be able to do that? BBB2021 (talk) 09:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse @BBB2021. Is this of any use to you? Help:Interlanguage links. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@BBB2021 I've made the link. Some pages, including the Teahouse page itself, already have an entry in Wikidata, in which case there is a "Wikidata item" link shown to the right in the default vector 22 view. In other cases, including the UFO articles, there was no existing Wikidata entry but one can be created using the "Create interlanguage link" option in the menu. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help BBB2021 (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Wiz Murshed

(added header) Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

How to solve this? This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independentof the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. Rakib Ahmed Talukder (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Your draft has no sources at all, so readers could not verify that what you wrote was true. Please read the guidance at H:YFA and note that creating acceptable articles on living people has a high level of sourcing requirements, explained at WP:BLP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rakib Ahmed Talukder Also, judging by your Username, you are attempting to write an autobiography. Please read that linked page as to why that is not necessarily a good idea. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Notability of an actress, criteria

Dear all, today I would like to dive into the criteria for notability of an actress in order to qualify for a Wikipedia article. This is explained in [[1]] .

There, two groups of criteria are mentioned, I quote: the actress...

"1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or

2. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. (Previously #3)"

I understand the "or" between #1 and #2 so that these two groups are valid alternatively and also in the same time, but not exclusively as in "either... or ..."

I am struggling with the following topics:

a) what is a significant role? There is no further link explaining this. Differently asked, how do I recognize a significant role when I see it? Is the actress' name mentioned at the start of the movie? Is it mentioned in the first ten positions of the final credits?

b) what is a notable film? Here I see a link to an article about a film's notability, I leave it for today.

c) how is it possible to decide/assess whether a contribution to a field of entertainment is "unique, prolific or innovative" ? What is a contribution to a field of entertainment anyway?

d) how is the word "multiple" used here? More than one? More than five? If there is a meaning to the word, why not write it explicitly? The criterion then becomes measurable.

For a) I would love to have at least one measurable criterion: this is a significant role, this is no significant role, because it has or has not surpassed criteria ....

For c) I would appreciate a, possibly non-exhaustive, list of examples for "unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment"

Thanks in advance for your kind and patient answers.

If there is already an article or answer to these questions, I appreciate a link to it.

I also need to add that I am not a native speaker of English language, so I am not sure about the meaning of some words in the way they are used here. I guess, though, that there are different usages of words for native English speakers from the USA, England, Ireland, India, Australia or where else there are native speakers of the English language.

Best regards! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Restored this one of two duplicated questions (both of which had been deleted), as advised in the thread above. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Bernhard.rulla Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. "Multiple" means more than one. A "significant" role in my opinion is something more than a mere appearance or one spoken line, but the meaning can vary. There isn't always a specific definition. What does matter is if independent reliable sources consider a role to be significant. The same goes for a "unique" contribution to entertainment, what matters is what sources say. I gather you want to write about a particular actress, or may even be that actress. Are there sources that describe this person as being significant to entertainment? 331dot (talk) 13:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
@331dot Thank you very much for your reply. I will think about it. Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bernhard.rulla: Welcome to the Teahouse! I can empathize with your questions, as black and white thinkers like myself sometimes struggle with ambiguous guidelines like this. Every page on Wikipedia (whether it's an article or a page about Wikipedia like Wikipedia:Notability (people)) can have an associated talk page, which is the best place for deep dive questions like you're asking here. In this case, the page is Wikipedia talk:Notability (people). You can also search the archives of the talk page to see if your questions have been previously discussed. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thank you very much for your reply. I will think about it. Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

languages

How do I add languages to my userpage? I never could add languages and now I give up from doing it myself so does anyone know how to do that?UserAV666 (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@UserAV666 The standard way to inform other users about the languages you speak is to use the {{Babel}} template. See the documentation at that link. This automatically adds your name to the category pages for users who have competence in the language, e.g. Category:User fr-5 See my own Userpage for an example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

From draft to article

Hello Wikipedians! Happy to see you again. I just finished writing my second article. Draft:Alissic and I think it is ready to become an article. The problem is that I have forgotten how to do that and where to go to be checked. Is it possible to remind me that information please? Thank you a lot and have a wonderful day! fenia🖤^tellmehi 11:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

You could add some pictures to make it easier to turn into an article. UserAV666 (talk) 11:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Fisforfenia and welcome to the Teahouse. Add {{AfC submission|T}} to the top of the page and follow the instuctions. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

ok, thank you @Esowteric fenia🖤^tellmehi 11:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Have added it for you. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking good, @Fisforfenia. You need to check the official web site in the infobox, as https://alissic.co/ brings up an invalid SSL certificate error in my browser. The security certificate expired 189 days ago. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Esowteric, the question was posed by Fisforfenia. UserAV666, adding a picture to a draft does not help the draft become an article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Doh. Sorry, I must have had the wrong username on my clipboard! Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, maybe I am wrong. I just think so because most of the articles have a picture.UserAV666 + Talk + Breadcrumbs

UserAV666, it's true that appropriate pictures usually improve an article, but they do not improve it in ways which reviewers take into account when they accept or decline the draft.

(It's a bit like having an MOT test on your car – the examiners test all sorts of things about the car's structural integrity, engine emissions, working components (like lights) and safe condition, but they do not care if it has a nice paint job.)

In the case of a non-free image included under the Fair use provision, only articles can have one – drafts must not, so such a picture can only be added after the draft has been passed as an article. {The poster formerly known as 87.91.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 13:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

help on Luigi Pane Wikipedia page

Hello, I have some layout issues on this page:

Luigi Pane

Can you please help me to understand how to solve to? It seems to have different issues on the general layout. Bibi Andersson (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bibi Andersson, welcome to the Teahouse. I would recommend that you look at a Good or Featured Article on a similar subject - for instance, Wong Kar-wai. Look at the section titles and how they are arranged, then follow that example in the article you're concerned about. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Just to note that the tag was added in January 2016 when the article looked ~~even~~ much more "different". Old revision of Luigi Pane. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

It wouldn't take many more edits to ditch the old "reorganisation" tag. You could add an infobox (which may require you shuffling the images), and the references would be better using full citations (I see that two need verifying). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bibi Andersson, you have uploaded several photos of this person as "own work". How are you getting these photos? If you have a personal or professional connection to the subject of the article, please review WP:COI and WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. I get the pictures from a friend of a friend of a friend of mine who had the opportunity to work for a production house that worked with L. Pane. As he told me he shot some backstage pictures of Pane during the years I asked him if I could use some of them, explaining him my will to contribute to the bio of this director. He kindly gave me the pictures, authorising me to use them the way I wanted. I published the pictures as my own work just because he told me "just go with it". I think he probably told me to do it in this way just to make the process easy (at least this is the feeling I got). Bibi Andersson (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bibi Andersson, that is not how copyright works, unfortunately. You did not take the pictures; they are not your own work and you are not authorized to release them for our use. If you friend wants to authorize their use, they need to email Wikimedia Commons. They can use the release generator here. As it stands, all the images are copyright violations and should be deleted. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I've talked to the person who shot the pictures about the issue. I'm totally authorized by the creator. He just doesn't want to appear as the author of the pictures and we should respect his will. I'm copying and pasting what he reported to me: "Please try to understand my point. I'm a well known professional photographer and I prefer to not see my name associated with those snapshots since my professional work is known for a very peculiar style of pictures. Since the objective is purely documenting the work of a director I esteem, you can freely use the pictures with no restrictions. If my will is against the Wikipedia copyright rules please write "unknown" under the author's name. Sincerely M.".

Nobody here wants to break any copyright rules, our objective is just to contribute to benefit readers by making available information on a branch of knowledge. On the other side, I just want to respect the will of a photographer who kindly authorised me to publish those pictures. Thank you for understanding and cooperating. Bibi Andersson (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bibi. The problem is that you saying "he authorised me" is not enough for Wikipedia's (and Wikimedia Commons') rules on copyright. This is partly because part of the mission of Wikimedia is to make material freely available for reuse, so it generally requires that the copyright holder doesn't just authorise use of the material on Wikipedia, but releases it under a copyleft licence so that anybody can reuse it for any purpose, commercial or not: we would need to be sure that the photographer understands that and agreed.

While release is often done publicly (by a notice on a website, for example) it can be done privately, by the copyright owner sending a suitable email to a particular address: it will be seen only by members of the team that handle that address. See WP:donating copyright materials for the details. ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bibi Andersson, I'm not doubting what you say, but if you stop and think for a moment, you'll realize that we can't just take the word of someone who makes a Wikipedia account (which is free and easy to do), then says, "The copyright holder has absolutely given me permission to use these!" There are legal issues involved, so there needs to be a formal process. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bibi Andersson, please don't remove "Citation needed" or other tags from Luigi Pane until the issues have been addressed. Thanks. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Submission Declined

I had a submission on a business declined stating the reference articles were not in-depth. They are coverage on some leading edge technology the company has built, such as integrations to Uber, etc. I have 23 references and think it as in-depth as other business pages I see on Wikipedia. How can that be fixed? WikTalker (talk) 13:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:365 Connect Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

That is the page - thank you @Esowteric WikTalker (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

May I recommend having more well known sources (like for example abc) FusionSub (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you FusionSub - comparing the depth, I certainly have some similar coverage. As to sources, I have large local media sites, tech, and industry news sites. Any further insight here? WikTalker (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@FusionSub, whether a source is well-known or not is mostly irrelevant.

Hi @WikTalker, welcome to the Teahouse. The decline notice states that you need sources which are all of the following: in-depth, reliable, secondary, and strictly independent. If you pick the three sources which you think best meet those criteria and post them here, someone may evaluate them for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight - here are the links to 3 of the sources.

https://www.nola.com/news/business/nolatech-week-brings-an-open-source-approach-to-building-a-conference/article_7feca1f4-99ae-5775-b105-7eab96a7cd51.html

https://siliconbayounews.com/2018/07/31/365-connect-announces-scholarship-grants-to-electric-girls-tech-training-programs/

https://www.latestly.com/lifestyle/from-start-up-to-tech-titan-the-long-road-to-gaining-market-share-while-changing-the-mindset-of-an-industry-2697620.html WikTalker (talk) 14:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@WikTalker Every one of these sources is based on what Kirby said in an interview or directly at a conference. hence they are not WP:INDEPENDENT sources, since he is the company's founder. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

And, of course, press releases via PRNewswire (and where used by others elsewhere) can be discounted. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:07, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Esowteric. I think I do have a few of those in there I need to pull out. WikTalker (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Mike. Very hard for media to write about a company without wanting a quote - but will look to see if any such articles are out there on this company. WikTalker (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@WikTalker, it might help to review this section over at WP:ORGCRIT. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Just a query: I notice that the page User:WikTalker was deleted yesterday and that it reportedly had the same content as the current draft, created earlier that day. Does that mean that you have a personal connection to 365 Connect? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Esowteric - I do not know why that page was deleted, I may have made an error in posting - I think I posted the same thing twice. I do know this company for the record, and thought they were very notable. WikTalker (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Where can I discuss this?

All gifs on the pages for the letters of the english alphabet are missing. Apparently they were removed because they were "ugly" Which sounds very bias. I thought they were perfectly fine honestly. All the other wikis use the gifs. Where can I talk about this? LeGoldenBoots (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @LeGoldenBoots and welcome to the Teahouse! the editor who did this is Future Perfect at Sunrise, and you can discuss this at his talk page or at Talk:A (also pinging Future Perfect). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 14:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. LeGoldenBoots (talk) 14:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

IMO they were not ugly (which is irrelevant) but they were utterly pointless, and of course unreferenced. Anyone is free to remove unreferenced material. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This is about the animated gifs in commons:Category:Cursiva animations. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

And I agree with their removal per WP:NOTHOWTO. Given that we have a related policy, I'd like to see a policy-based reason to add them back, not simply WP:ILIKEIT. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Assessing an article

I was under the impression that only "raters" can assess an article. Is that not true? Bostonite01310^talk 17:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Rater is a tool that allows articles to be assessed more quickly; it is not a specific permission. – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 17:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bostonite01310, welcome to the Teahouse. No, that is not generally true - see Wikipedia:Content assessment. Some WikiProjects do have specific ways of handling assessments, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Bostonite01310, as a general rule, any editor can assess or change the lower ratings of an article, as long as they are acting in good faith, and trying to follow established guidelines. The Good article and Festured article processes are formalized, though. Cullen328 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Only Jackie Coogan can formally assess a Festured article I think. --Jayron 32 18:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Fred Armisen, Christopher Lloyd, and a small number of others would be able to as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Is revision done?

Hi, I have submitted 2 pages (one about 2 months ago) and one 6-7 weeks ago. I could see a lot of changes by other users, that's great I guess. How do I know are they still in the waiting list to be approved or disproved? Or can I myself move them into the other namespace Draft -> Article? I can see I am autoconfirmed so I can do it. Or should I not do anything and just wait few more months as this changes are more duties of senior authors? Best, Didiogiorgio (talk) 00:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Didiogiorgio: It would help if you would link to the drafts you are asking about. Draft:Christian_Barillot is currently waiting for a review after having been declined just two days ago. Draft:Alessandro_Crimi is not submitted for review but based on the edit history, your sources may not meet WP:RS. RudolfRed (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Didiogiorgio. Your draft called Draft:Alessandro Crimi has not been submitted for review. You can add the Wikicode that you can find at Template: Submit to that one, and then submit it. On the other hand, Draft:Christian Barillot was reviewed three days ago. The reviewer asked for some specific changes and offered to take another look once you made those changes. That draft was marked as "promising". It seems that you are not yet fully conversant with the procedures for creating articles. I suggest that you continue working with reviewers for a while, but this is optional. Cullen328 (talk) 00:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I suspect there are no reliable sources apart those I linked about Christian Barillot, unless somebody else knows more. So, at least for my side I fear the process ends here.

Regarding the other scientist, honestly I read carefully all the WP:RS. There is no link of any predatory journal or preprint (though I think sometimes preprint are very good sources), also I listed third party press as Huffintonpost, Science magazines, and the official TED channel, (and other third party pages I found googling), without mentioning the author has almost 2000 citations on Google scholar from scientific peer-review paper.

Honestly I have seen existing pages of other Neuroscientists with no third party press at all. Can you point me an example of the of reliable sources? So, I double check whether they exist. We have even on wikipedia a page representing the Huffington post, why is it not a reliable source? Didiogiorgio (talk) 20:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Access to a library?

I think someone mentioned to me that once you have been a wikipedia editor for 6 months or so and have done more than 500 edits, you will then get a message telling you that you have certain library privileges and how to get them. Could anybody point me to such information or access and /or the library itself as I have not had a notification like that yet? Thanks if you can. Balance person (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Balance person. See Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks I will have a browse there. Balance person (talk) 20:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Film notability

Greetings everyone.

I want to get to know that: Is a film which was premiered in Venice Film Festival and was selected in its "Orizzonti" section, notable? does the film deserve to own an article on English Wikipedia? take a look on Venice Film Festival's film page, then please tell me if that film is notable on Wikipedia or it is not & tell me why. please.

Note: An administrator has requested for that film's article deletion on Persian Wikipedia: fa:ویکی‌پدیا:نظرخواهی برای حذف/همچنان که می‌مردم

Regards -- NameGame (talk) 18:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@NameGame: You can see the English Wikipedia notability guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability_(films). Each Wikipedia has different rules, so you will need to ask at the Persian Wikipedia for guidance on the article there. RudolfRed (talk) 18:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

it is hard for me to understand the page: Wikipedia:Notability_(films) and that is why I asked here.

now if the English Wikipedia's users wouldn't mind, I need to get an answer from them by Confirming / Rejecting the notability of this film here on English Wikipedia. Thank you. NameGame (talk) 19:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, NameGame. Announcements that a film is being screened at a film festival do not establish that the film is notable. Filmmakers apply to these festivals and what the filmmaker says about their film makes up much of these announcements. You can see that in the "Director's Statement" in the Venice listing, and the film's marketing team probably wrote the "Synopsis" as well. Such announcements are not independent coverage. What we are looking for is significant coverage in fully independent reliable sources. Most commonly, these would be published reviews by professional film critics. Cullen328 (talk) 23:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Hello. I appreciate your comment. to be honest, I didn't know that, only a being screened film in a famous festival, doesn't confirm its notability to own an article here. NameGame (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Request for additional perspectives at the Juan Crow article

Hi yall, There's an editing conflict going on at Juan Crow. There's a user that is editing and rewriting history with a narrow POV. You can check out the talk page for more context. I think it'd be good to get seasoned editors over there to assess the situation, perhaps chime in to reach consensus about the article direction, so it's not just one persistent editor deciding its fate. Otherwise, I welcome any guidance on how to address this. Appreciate it. Bflx 11 (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, reporting it at WP:AN3 is your best option. It is a noticeboard that specifically deals with edit warring, and it is monitored by administrators. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 01:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Biography Article publish declined

Hello, I would need help publishing the biography article below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ong_Ai_Li

Also, I would like to address that the biography article and this account are not written or owned by the person in the article, Ong Ai Li. This account was created by a third party in non-relation with the subject. So I hope that will no longer be a reason not to have this article rejected. Also, most of the sources are old newspapers like the ones cited in the article, but we have a handful more old newspaper article screenshots that are not archived online, only screenshots. So I was wondering if how can we solve the problem? AiLi Ong (talk) 03:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@AiLi Ong: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. For one, if you're not Ong Ai Li, you are to use a different username, as your use of the subject's name is considered a breach of Wikipedia's username policy, as demonstrated by your soft block. Second, do not provide screenshots of the old articles as there is potential copyright to be concerned over. Third, the language used in the draft is promotional and is unfit for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Fourth, when you say "we have a handful more old newspaper article screenshots", what do you mean by "we"? Fifth, a reference is for a proposition (or a group of propositions). This draft is sparsely referenced, but one of the references is for "Her career". "Her career" doesn't express a proposition. Sixth, each of the two references currently provided has the badminton-unrelated title "NewspaperSG - Terms and Conditions". Why? ¶ Please be sure to create a new user ID, to log in under that user ID, and to return here in order to explain. -- Hoary (talk) 04:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Updating page - other user has issue with - please let me know where I am going wrong

Can you please outline to me what of the following necessitates repeated deletion:

Page is Glencoe Ski area - I am adding the following to the bottom of the listing, as the primary activity of the resort in the summer is mountain biking, but there is no detail on it.

Citations for the following:

https://www.glencoescotland.com/see-do/mountain-biking/

https://www.crerarhotels.com/blog/archive/cycling-trails-in-glencoe/

https://www.trailforks.com/region/glencoe-1454444506/?activitytype=1&z=13.2&lat=56.62272&lon=-4.83369

https://www.glencoemountain.co.uk/mountain-biking/

Mountain Biking

Glencoe Mountain Resort has 5 mountain bike trails accessed via the Access Chair; a 2 person chair that you hook your bike onto via the seatpost. The chairlift takes about 15 minutes to bring you from 1200 feet at the car park to 2200 feet at the top of the chair. The minimum age for lift accessed mountain biking is 10, and children under 16 must be accompanied by an adult.

The end of the black downhill mountain bike trail

Downhill Trails

The access road is available to ride down.

Red downhill

This trail is over 1km long with over 200m vertical descent, and is built up of four sections of downhill trails, so you can pick and choose your way down. It includes a mix of fast flowy berms and sections of rock gardens, but all features are roll-able.

Black downhill

This 900m long, 250m vertical descent trail was originally made in 2006 For the Scottish Downhill association, it snakes its way down Meall a' Bhuiridh hillside alongside a waterfall. This track now has a dedicated drop in and is designed around experienced downhill riders with technical terrain from top to bottom. You will encounter rock gardens, drops, exposed rock faces and jumps.

XC / Enduro Trails

Once at the top of our chairlift, you can use the access road to take a pedal to the cross country routes.

Nae Danger (blue)

Starts from the top of the chairlift. Then pedal your way up the land rover track towards our scenic Plateau Cafe (closed in summer). Ride your way over a mix of single track towards Craig Dhubh to then loop back towards the land rover track to finish this 1.5km circuit.

Epic Glades (red)

Slightly further up the mountain lies the red cross country trail Epic Glades. The route requires a climb up past the Plateau Cafe (closed in summer) up past our the Rannoch chair. The road then ends and the track begins; a steep climb gets you to the top of Cliffhanger chairlift before levelling out as you go past the base of the top lifts, the ski patrol shed and the top of the wall T bar. The track then follows the ridgeline with views out to Glen Etive and Buachaille Etive Mor before dropping back down and joining the blue cross country, then re-joining the access road. On the way down, expect loose rocks, drops, catchy berm corners and singletrack.

Loop de Dhubh (black)

Continues on where Epic Glades leaves off; riding along the ridgeline until you loosely reach the summit of Creag Dhubh, where it’s worth stopping to take in the views. Then a short, steep, rocky section with several drops takes you back to the walkers track and back to the access road. Do look out for walkers.

SnowsportsJames (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to the teahouse as I suggested. To be clear, I am the second editor to revert your addition. For the benefit of others, this is original research WP:OR. It also fails WP:NOTTRAVEL. Good luck coming up with information to improve the article that is properly sourced. 10mmsocket (talk) 15:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, found the 'Teahouse' hopefully someone there can be a bit more helpful. It quite simply is not original research; look at the sources and see if you can synthesise anything more useful from it rather than just wholesale deleting it. It is a description of the routes on the mountain, which is currently missing from the article. I provided 4 sources for you - I fail to see how this is not properly sourced.

I think it is more likely you simply do not like me making changes, regardless of the content. SnowsportsJames (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

It is not encyclopedically written. This is a travel guide, not an encyclopedia article. Please read MOS:YOU and WP:NOTHOWTO. Julietdeltalima (talk) 16:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Please discuss these disputed additions on the appropriate talk page, as I explained below. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the message. Could you be more specific - this is not a travel guide - it is a description of the trails.

Would you suggest there be NO description of the trails? SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowsportsJames, please have this discussion on the talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SnowsportsJames, welcome to the Teahouse. This is not a place to carry on content disputes. You should discuss disputed edits on the talk page of the appropriate article - in this case, apparently, Talk:Glencoe Ski area, where there have been no posts as of yet. If discussion on the talk page can't resolve the issue, follow the further steps outlined at WP:Dispute resolution. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I have chatted with the other user who wants the article to remain as is - I was advised by them to go to the teahouse. Look, all I'm trying to do is update the information to make it more accurate - directing me to go to another area doesn't help with that. I'm really, genuinely just trying to be helpful by updating the article. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowsportsJames, an article's talk page is the appropriate place to discuss article content, not the Teahouse. This is a place to get general help with using or editing Wikipedia - not to discuss or settle specific disputes. If you want to see this content added, the talk page is the place to go. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

That's really unhelpful. SnowsportsJames has come here asking for help. Please assume good faith and let him receive advise from others, as @Julietdeltalima has given. 10mmsocket (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@10mmsocket, the talk page is the place to discuss such things. I'm not sure why you directed them here instead of there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, I've put it on the talk page of the article I was trying to edit: Talk:Glencoe Ski area#Adding additional detail. If anyone is feeling helpful feel free to take a look and edit to be more 'Wikipedian'. I'm new to this and just getting passed around like it's a call centre - been a very negative experience all round just trying to update an article.

What I would appreciate however is not just wholesale deletion, but some specific feedback - e.g. when you say this word, it is not 3rd person, this citation needs to here, not there, etc. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it is less a dispute and more me just looking for actual help beyond 'read these various webpages' so that the accuracy and detail of the article can be improved. I'm not trying to subvert anything or annoy anyone, but genuinely figure this out so everyone benefits.

Perhaps someone could take a small section of the above and re-write it in the 'Wikipedia way' so I could get a better idea how to make this functional. That would be a better use of our collective time I hope. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

SnowsportsJames, that content is highly promotional, non-neutral and has no place in the encyclopedia. We never address readers directly in the style of an instructional manual. This material will never be accepted into the encyclopedia in this form. What is your personal connection, if any, with this ski resort? Cullen328 (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cullen 328, ah great - some specific feedback - so delete the 'you' etc. I work there, I'm not trying to hide that. But I am still trying to update it to include more full and complete information.

Is it the sections like 'It includes a mix of fast flowy berms and sections of rock gardens, but all features are roll-able.' that are seen to be highly promotional? I have left out words like 'fantastic' and tried to stick to description. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowsportsJames, please read and comply with WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Wow, this whole thing is massively complicated - just looking to update the page in my free time. Have a look at my wikipedia profile and let me know where I am going wrong with that. Would appreciate actual specific advice, rather than being directed to pages - the whole thing is extremely technical and hard to get your head around as a first time editor. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it can be, @SnowsportsJames, as many new editors discover. You will often find yourself being directed to pages which you are expected to read and understand; other folks may be willing to give you a quick summary, but Wikipedia involves much reading and digesting of written information. My advice is to slow down and start learning how Wikipedia works before charging ahead into areas where your conflict of interest will make things difficult - as you've seen. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks 199.208.172.35

To be honest with you the last hour and a half I have spent trying to do this has been just so deeply negative I'm just going to give up. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

As a paid editor, SnowsportsJames, you are expected to be conversant with content policies and behavioral guidelines, instead of expecting unpaid volunteers to do your work for you. Cullen328 (talk) 16:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm doing this in my free time - I am volunteering too! I'm sorry this is just too complicated and I'm just going to leave it. You win. SnowsportsJames (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowsportsJames, that does happen with folks who start big instead of small, try editing about something in which they're deeply invested (for whatever reason), and find their efforts being reverted. Start small. Read the posts at places like the Teahouse and Help Desk. Gain experience. Then, perhaps, try again. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I was just trying to be helpful as I have useful knowledge on the topic. SnowsportsJames (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowsportsJames, the thing about Wikipedia - which is often hard to grasp at first - is that our personal knowledge on a topic isn't worth much, except as far as it helps us find other sources of information to use. I have a degree or two but I don't edit to add the knowledge I paid dearly for while earning those degrees. I edit to add other people's knowledge as published in reliable sources. Also to fix typos and other minor things which bug me. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Thanks for your comments. Sorry to have used up anyone's valuable time unnecessarily. Wikipedia is just too difficult to use - already spent almost 2 hours just trying to add some basic info. I am no longer subscribing to this chat and no longer using Wikipedia again from this point forward. If I could delete my account, I would.

All the best. SnowsportsJames (talk) 17:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, it needs to update to a more user friendly site, it seems it is only people who are trained in IT get it. The internet and information has become so much more easy update, but my head spins with Wiki, I feel like I'm going around in circles and never getting anywhere The Tea Set (talk) 08:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Permission

Why are the permissions so inconsistent, sometimes I will be OK with up loading a file while at other times I'm told I dont have permission for others, even though I own the rights to everything I want to upload. I am surprised that the site is so overly complicated and confusing, when most websites today are so easy to navigate, you just drag a file. I don't know where I am half the time, I really want to help towards the continued success of Wikipedia and every year I donate at least $100 in support, but I find it so dated. I get that it is a dictionary so everything has to be verified and permission needs to be given on anything published. The other thing I find really confusing is the guidelines say it is not permitted to post on your own page, why? that is crazy, as long a you can verify the information, it's more likely that a third party will not have the correct information or permission, it's so bizarre. The Tea Set (talk) 08:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The Tea Set Hello and welcome. You will need to change your username immediately, please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a username change request; usernames cannot be that of a group or organization(like a band) and must be individualistic.

I'm not sure which inconsistency you are referring to- but your account is not yet autoconfirmed because you do not yet have 10 edits(you do meet the other criterion as your account is more than four days old). There is such a thing as it being too easy to use a website for its purpose. It's also difficult to change a website that generally operates by consensus- even changing the default skin has been very controversial.

Thanks for donating, but donations are handled by the Wikimedia Foundation that collects them for operating the computers Wikipedia is on(as well as events to encourage editing, among other things). We editors have nothing to do with the donation process. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hold on, you cant use a band name, then how come there is a Rolling Stones page, a Depeche Mode page, etc etc, I'm confused, what purpose would it be to change the name. The Tea Set were a band between 1978 and 1981 so it's not like its contemporary group whose purpose it is to sell records. the idea is that people look up The Tea Set to find out the history so calling it Mable's Music Deep Dive misses the point. It's a barrage of instructions with each having it's own variations of choices, if you are not IT savvy (and I like to think of myself as more than competent in using the internet and creating various websites, but this is Red Tape out of control. I have noticed a few people who have the same criticism and they end up giving up, is that what you want, people giving up because it's too complicated, that isn't great business, instead you just say "oh too bad, thats the way it is, you'll just have to live with it" rather than saying the comments have been noted and have been passed on to the creators of the site and perhaps then if they receive enough of the same comments then. they might want to reassess things.

What exactly does an edit consist of? is it more like a chapter? an edit suggests you are changing something that already exists, again terminology that is confusing The Tea Set (talk) 08:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The Tea Set It seems that you have confused creating an account with creating an article. Please see my comment immediately below. You edited User:The Tea Set, which is your user page for telling about yourself personally as a Wikipedia editor or user. It is not space to write an article(which theoretically would be located at The Tea Set, note the lack of "User:", though it is currently a redirect) New accounts cannot directly create articles and need to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

As for "posting on your own page"; do you mean posting on your user page(which is certainly permitted), or posting on an article about your band? The latter is more restricted, but you may propose edits on the talk page, see conflict of interest and edit requests. 331dot (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I would also note that you edited your user page ("User:The Tea Set") which is not article space. New accounts may not directly create articles, but may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft, 331dot (talk) 08:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Uh, actually Wikipedia is not a dictionary, it's an encyclopedia. (Although, oddly, Wikipedia does have articles about a number of terms, words, and even mere word forms, e.g. ain't.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The Tea Set, above, you write The Tea Set were a band between 1978 and 1981 so it's not like its contemporary group whose purpose it is to sell records. On your user page, you write In 2019 The Tea Set signed to the World's largest independent record label Cleopatra Records. Which is it? -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Anyone want to add categories to Festuca_chrysophylla??

Anyone want to add categories to Festuca_chrysophylla? It has been tagged that it needed more categories. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Not me, BloxyColaSweet, because I know nothing of the subject. Well, if I assume that the first sentence -- "Festuca chrysophylla is a species of grass in the family Poaceae" -- is correct, then even I know that categorization as "Grasses", means that categorization as "Plants" is unwanted. Indeed, if it belongs to "Poaceae", then categorization as "Grasses" is unwanted. Et cetera. It might be beneficially categorized as some other subcategory/subcategories of "Grasses" -- "orthogonal", as people say, to "Poaceae". I suggest that you try to familiarize yourself with categorization. One good way is to examine the categorization of articles about related subjects, articles that seem to have been edited by experienced editors who know what they're doing. Many editors find categorization utterly baffling at first, but after half an hour or so of bafflement, pretty easy to grasp. -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Im sorry about your userpage. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Would the following passage be written like a travel guide (and if so, should it belong on Wikivoyage instead?)

Hello, I am currently copyediting the article Partipur, Rajasthan. I have came across a section which goes as follows:

"Nearest International Airport -SVBP International Airport, Ahmedabad - 240 km

Devi Ahilyabai Holkar International Airport, Indore - 255 km

Nearest Domestic Airport - Maharana Pratap Airport, Udaipur - 135 km

Nearest Railway station - Dungarpur Junction - 70km, Udaipur Junction - 135km, Ratlam Junction - 115 km, Dahod -107 km

Partapur are connected via bus to major or minor cities of Rajasthan, Gujrat, Madhya Pradesh and other states.

Area code for telephone is 0091-2963. And Zip Code is 327024."

I get the feeling that this specific passage isn't in an encyclopedic tone as it should be.

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 04:36, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula, yes, that's definitely seemingly travel guide-esque. The only reason to include those destinations here would be to discuss their impact on the local economy/culture. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:41, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula, I have mixed feelings about this; but one thing I'm sure of is that in the context of demographics (as opposed to, say, geology), 2011 is not the present. Yet we read "as of 2011, the population of Partapur is 10,758 (not including the people in the age group 0-6)". Perhaps "in 2011, the population of Partapur was 10,758 (not including children under 7)"? -- Hoary (talk) 06:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. I come across those occasionally in articles about Indian cities. I usually delete them on sight and sometimes say it's better to put that content on the sister project WikiVoyage in an edit summary. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

what is the proper procedure for instantiating translated pages from non-english wiki to the english wiki?

I want to port several dutch pages to english, however, i am unclear what the correct sequencing is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation says to create a stub first, so that when the translated content shows up, it can have proper attribution.

When i submitted a minimum size stub, it got rejected for not having enough content, but to add content, i want to be able to copy the dutch wiki, but to copy the dutch wiki, i need the article to already be a valid stub. I see no point in being creative either, just so i can go around this arbitrary rule conflict.

what do i do?

is there an example of a minimum size stub? is there a template for stubs (as in, text, not a {template:}) Bart Terpstra (talk) 12:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Bart Terpstra. Do you yourself want to translate articles from Dutch Wikipedia onto English Wikipedia? Do you want to use some kind of translation software or tool to translate the articles? In the first case, the process is pretty much no different from creating an article from scratch on English Wikipedia except that you need make sure your properly attribute the original Dutch article for licensing purposes as explained in WP:TFOLWP. There are more details on how How to do this in WP:TRANSLATE. It's important, however, to remember that each local Wikipedia is a separate project with its own policies and guidelines. Since English Wikipedia is not only the first but also the largest of the various language Wikipedias, the policies and guidelines of other Wikipedia's often are quite similar in even identical in some cases, but there still may be some important differences particularly when it comes to things like Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. So, as explained in WP:OTHERLANGS, just because an article already exists on a different Wikipedia that doesn't mean either (1) it should exist on that Wikipedia or (2) a corresponding article about the same subject should also exist on English Wikipedia. You should assume that any articles you translate are going to be assessed just as vigorously for notability as any new article someone else might attempt to create from scratch. As long as your competent enough in the source language to translate it into English and follow English Wikipedia's WP:MOS when doing so, your certainly can try to do so. You can start off as a WP:DRAFTS and then submit the draft for review when you think its ready. The biggest hurdle you're going to need to WP:OVERCOME is establishing the the subject is notable per English Wikipedia's notability guidelines. In the second case, machines and software translations are frowned upon for various reasons; so, you're better off avoiding such a thing altogether. If you're language skills aren't up to par to properly translate from Dutch to English, you could try asking for assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands or Wikipedia:Translators available. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

i am a native dutch speaker.

the subject seems to meet the General notability guideline.

the subject seems more notable than other articles in the same category.

since notability is an opinion, i'll just have to assert my arguments for it and hope that's sufficient.

though i must admit, i do not understand the logic entirely. not all knowledge is wisdom, but i would say that Wikipedias requirements seem to exclude useful information for no real reason.

(e.g. who won which election when: not notable, local election). Bart Terpstra (talk) 13:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

most of all:

why should a translator bother to translate more than a single sentence if it will get struck down for notability anyway? Bart Terpstra (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bart Terpstra:, I translate quite a lot from German, but often on North German/Dutch subjects, which means I bump into the Dutch WP quite a lot, and use it (I am native English, fluent German). The best procedure for translation is to start a draft in draft-space. That way you can take as long as you like over your translation, and create it one sentence at a time, without fear of rejection/deletion. When the article is in good shape, submit it just like any other created article. The only difference between a translated article and any other, is that you should credit the Dutch Wikipedia article in the first edit-summary of your new article, and you may wish to add a translated page template to the talk page. But on notability, there is one big thing of which you should be aware: general referencing is frowned upon here, while it seems quite common in German and Dutch WP. It is not actually forbidden here, but many new page patrollers and AfC reviewers are suspicious of it. You may encounter problems if the article you are translating does not include any inline citations. Definitely avoid translating anything contentious unless it has inline citations. The principle is verifiability; everything here must be verifiable. Of course it is in the Dutch and German WPs too, but there, you may be offered three or four complete books to find (somewhere!) the support for one sentence in the middle of the article; here there is a feeling that if the sentence is contentious, the reader should be pointed to a precise page where they can verify it, and not left to do so much work on their own. Good luck, and please do translate. Machine translations are still pretty unreliable on anything vaguely technical, the expertise of a good translator is valuable, and there is much interesting information in the Dutch WP that cannot be found here. Elemimele (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

this is understood, but why expend the effort if the subject might not be notable according to prevailing opinion and despite general guidelines?

isn't there a way to quickly check notability?

it takes me hours to create sufficient translation with proper sourcing, and i'm not going to waste that on a dead article (again?). Bart Terpstra (talk) 13:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bart! Is the Policy page WP:Golden rule helpful? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 13:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

no, because it's the notability concerning a hypothetical article that has significant coverage, reliable sources, independant source and has an article in another language wikipedia, but might still not be notable in the opinion of english reviewers. Bart Terpstra (talk) 13:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Then the reviewers would be making a mistake. Carpimaps (talk) 14:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

[Edit Conflicts] (You (Bart) replied before I could finish revising my post to acknowledge that Colin Fine had already linked Golden rule above!)

It is not always possible to compose succinct general advise that will be appropriate to every specific case. If you want Helpdesk/Teahouse advice about a specific subject, then (in an appropriate thread) list your best three Reliable sources for it. If they are judged by concensus to be inadequate, then you need to find better ones, or give up. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 14:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Add item to infobox

Hi, I wanted to add an item to an infobox. However, all the items are numbered. Is there an easy way to add an item to the middle without having to renumber the second half of that infobox? Or is there some software to do that automatically? Thanks. I want to add a 'sucessor' item to Template:Infobox technology standard PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@PhotographyEdits, there's a user script for infobox renumbering. I'm on mobile, but someone else can probably point you to it if you have trouble finding it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb I found it and finished the job. Thanks a lot. PhotographyEdits (talk) 16:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Biography of living persons

If a notable person were to be born in Sevastopol in 2015, after the Russian annexation of Crimea, which is not recognized by a significant majority of countries, would their birthplace be marked as Sevastopol, Russia; or Sevastopol, Ukraine? Also wanted to know the answers for persons born in Estonia between 1945-1987, would their birthplace be marked with Estonia, or Estonian SSR? Thank you, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 11:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Wikiexplorationandhelping, and welcome to the Teahouse. See MOS:BIRTHPLACE for more information. The page gives this advice: "Finally, in controversial or unclear cases, nationality is sometimes omitted.", which may be the best cause of action in this case. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok understood. Appreciate the feedback! Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

How would I source this?

A page for a semi-famous piece of lost media. Since most sources are open wikis and forum posts, how would I source it? Star Manatee (talk) 10:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

You should not source open wikis and forum posts as they are unreliable sources. See WP:USERG. Carpimaps (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, i know, that’s why I made this. Star Manatee (talk) 13:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I see what you mean now. I was misinterpreting your question. Have you tried searching for sources on places outside Google? If not, this template may help. You should modify the search terms as needed.

Carpimaps (talk) 14:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

You seem to be asking about Draft:Hitogata (Lost media). The sources already cited look like junk. Maybe no better source exists. Maybe this lost thingie never even existed. Maybe it did exist but, even by Wikipedia's odd standards, it's stunningly trivial. Maybe it's a significant cultural something, and the article Ningen (folklore) will inspire you. -- Hoary (talk) 10:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I do not know what you are trying to say. Yes, the sources already cited are junk - that is why I made this. It is true that “maybe it never even existed”, I’m not claiming it did. I’ll check out that article. Star Manatee (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the article, i think I get what you mean. I hadn’t thought of sourcing YouTube videos, but that would definitely help. The other stuff on the article also looks like it would help. Star Manatee (talk) 13:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I’ve added a few YouTube videos as sources, there doesn’t appear to be coverage in the news besides from one article i found that doesn’t back up any sources. Star Manatee (talk) 14:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

This was a reply to Cardimaps, btw, it went to the bottom for whatever reason Star Manatee (talk) 14:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

You really shouldn't be citing YouTube videos unless the channel is ran by a reliable source. If those are all you can find, the subject may not be notable. Carpimaps (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The video in question is an in-depth timeline that goes into heavy detail regarding the topic, and the channel is a non-fiction documentary channel that frequently makes videos about this kind of thing Star Manatee (talk) 15:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Star Manatee: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. The YouTube channel in question appears to be run by a single person, and I would question its editorial oversight. You are going to want to read WP:RSPYT:

Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability.

If you think it's reliable you are going to want to discuss this at the reliable sources noticeboard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Star Manatee (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

is De Socialisten notable enough to have an english page if i translate it?

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialisten_(politieke_beweging)

https://www.sap-rood.org/nederland-de-socialisten-in-de-startblokken/

https://roodjongeren.nl/post/de-strijd-voor-een-partij - new party is near-strict superset of ROOD which is notable enough to have it's own wikipedia page

https://www.brekt.nl/nieuwe-socialistische-partij-in-aantocht/ Bart Terpstra (talk) 14:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bart Terpstra, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Notability" is possibly an unfortunate choice of word, because Wikipedia's special meaning is not the same as the normal meaning of the word, though there is often overlap.

The intention behind "notability" in Wikipedia's sense is "Is there enough reliably published material, wholly independent of the subject of the article, to base an article on?" If the answer is No, then there is simply not enough material which can be put in the article, and no article can be written.

One consequence of this is that notability is not inherited: the fact that there may be enough published about ROOD to ground an article tells you zero about whether there is enough material independently published about De Socialisten - and vice versa.

The reason for the requirement for independence is that Wikipedia has almost no interest in what a subject (or their associates) say or want to say about themselves.

I haven't looked closely, but it looks to me as if sap-rood.org and roodjongeren.nl are not unconnected with De Socialisten, and so (as primary sources) they can be used in limited ways, but do not contribute to notability. I don't know what brekt.nl is: it's possible that it is a reliable source (though the lack of an author's name raises concerns), and can contribute to establishing notability - though at only four paragraphs, it is not enough on its own. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

oh, i love Wikipedia: Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, i might read that later, i'm sure it brings out the ideological commitments of the wikipedia project.

sadly, you also misunderstood what i intended when i mentioned the relationship. it's not that it's associated with ROOD, it's that it will have sufficient participants and political influence to be considered an entity of comparable notoriety.

again, the argument is not the association giving it notoriety, but equivalence in who participates in and how they relate to dutch politics as a whole.

they also have coverage in newspapers. Bart Terpstra (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood the relationship. If they are rivals, it's not clear whether commentary by ROOD would be regarded as independent or not: certainly, in articles on commercial subjects, an article by or published by a competitor would not be regarded as independent.

I have explained why equivalence in who participates in and how they relate to dutch politics as a whole is not relevant - except insofar as that results in independent coverage in major newspapers or books.

You say "They also have coverage in newspapers": great. Please present some examples, making sure that they satisfy the golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

hu, so if there was a subject with no writing about it, it couldn't become a wikipedia article.

even if it existed in reality and was significant to the culture.

and you can't take photos and write documentation, because it original research.

and you can't write an independant source and add it as a source because it's also original research.

neat.

I think this is a good sign for me to not bother with Wikipedia further. Bart Terpstra (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

No, it doesn't matter if it exists, it matters whether someone else has described that it exists. If you want to write about personal experience, a blog-site would be more appropriate, or you can become a journalist. The problem with Draft:De Socialisten (Dutch Political Party-in-founding) is that it cites only one source, which basically says that a bunch of people got kicked out of another party and resulted in something described as a one-man faction that decided its influence across a province was so small that it wouldn't take part in provincial elections. Unless there's some much stronger write-up, such a political party "in founding" is going to be seen as tomorrow's news to watch, not a thing we can write about with historical reliability. Unfortunately, you as the article's creator, need to demonstrate the coverage in newspapers or the reviewer is never going to accept it. Elemimele (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

but "still in construction" is not a valid argument for not being notable xD Bart Terpstra (talk) 17:01, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Of itself, no, that is not a valid argument for or against notability. By observation, most films being made, buildings being built, parties being created, are not notable, because nobody much has written about them. Occasionally there are exceptions.

You are welcome to argue for Wikipedia to change its policies - the various sections of the Village Pump are the place to do that. But I don't think you will get much traction on this. ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

the best way to get these kinds of changes to Wikipedia at this point is probably to challenge it's authority as the place of information, which, good luck to anyone who tries. Bart Terpstra (talk) 17:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

You appear to be the one who wants to invest Wikipedia with "authority". Wikipedia does not claim authority - in fact, it does not regard itself as a reliable source. Such authority as it has lies in the sources it cites - which is why nowadays we tend to insist on them, though it was not always thus. ColinFine (talk) 18:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Authority in the different sense of the word.

Wikipedia is mostly truthful, most peoples first answers are answered by Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is an authority on truth to a lot of people.

Many a argument includes the sentence "the definition on Wikipedia says", and generally goes over fine.

Being "an authority on" something just requires you to be seen as providing expert opinion and consensus facts on the matter, which Wikipedia does.

It both shapes opinion and narrative on a subject and observes opinion and narrative on a subject.

(and claiming to not want influence does make you not have influence) Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Article Access

I would like to access some deleted articles but have no knowledge on how to do so. Can someone provide some detailed steps on how to do it? Thanks in advance. HimSur9 (talk) 07:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @HimSur9: you cannot access deleted pages, that's kind of the point of deletion. You can ask the deleting admin if they would restore the content for you, but obviously you need to have a reason for asking, and not all deleted content will be restored anyway (eg. copyvios, attack pages, etc.). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

if you're looking to get a draft deleted for inactivity restored, you can do so by putting up a request at Requests for undeletion. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 08:01, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

One method for doing this is applying for adminship, but this is a very frustrating and arduous process, as I have discovered myself. So, this might not be for you. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Vulgar lang at Fleer article

Wikipedia's article on Fleer, under the section entitled 'Bill Ripken' contains vulgar language. Why is this up on the web? 2601:640:C501:80D0:14F4:2CA:C226:7C95 (talk) 21:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

[Corrected the formatting error that made your heading invisible.]

Wikipedia is not censored. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 21:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

That content is in Fleer because it actually happened and Wikipedia is not censored. Cullen328 (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia likes to document everything that happened. As such, it will record unwholesome language sometimes. I guess you could change it to say “a certain expletive” rather than what it currently says, but where’s the fun in that?Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

In Caput Mundi article unfairly deletions

Hello everyone,

I contributed informations with citations on Caput Mundi about Constantinople but unfairly that was deleted. True, clear and precise (direct) informations were added with proper sources (http://www.levantineheritage.com/pdf/Early_modern_Istanbul_as_a_Center_of_Diplomacy.pdf and https://www.rezensionen.ch/istanbul-hauptstadt-der-welt/3737407002/). The first source is an article, second one is a review of the book of Edmondo de Amicis that travelled Constantinople and said Capital of the World for Constantinople. London, Paris and New York were kept in the capital but only Constantinople was deleted this acion is unfair and illogical. Please help me to solve this problem. Best regards. -Historianengineer (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)-

You are doing the correct thing, which is discussing it on Talk:Caput Mundi. If you cannot reach agreement with other editors, appropriate next steps are suggested at Dispute resolution.

Please note that "fair" doesn't enter into the question. You and the other editors are all trying to make the article the best they can, but you disagree about what that looks like. This is normal in the development of a huge collaborative project like Wikipedia. The aim is to reach a consensus that all will accept, even if it isn't precisely how they would prefer it. ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer,

we came to terms, the article was fixed properly just now.

Best regards.

-Historianengineer (talk) 20:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)-

Changing a company name / page name

Hi Teahouse, How can we request or change the name of a company page? The company merged, but does still exist and we want to keep the information and history, but the name is no longer correct. It doesn't appear changeable in the fields? ChattyCathy1908 (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, if you're associated with the company, the correct thing to do is to post the request on the talk page associated with the article. There are quite a lot of resources that might help; you could start here: Wikipedia:Edit_Request_Wizard. Make sure that you give a very clear explanation of exactly what you want done, and give sources that justify any change (i.e. web links etc. to reliable places that will indicate that your changes are accurate). Please note that if the company was well-known under its former name, it may be considered appropriate to keep the article under the well-known name here. Elemimele (talk) 16:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

If you’re looking to rename the article, then you should look into the article moving process. Pablothepenguin (talk) 20:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Several references in one?

Howdy! As I go around workin' on articles and such, I've found that sometimes there seems to be one footnote that points to several references, all referred to under that one number. See here. I'm working on fixin' up some citation formations on a series of pages, and I wanted to know if that's something that should be reformatted into multiple different citations if I see it.

Thanks! ~Judy _{(job requests)} 19:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Janitor Judy that should be split into multiple footnotes. That way, if just one of the many sources is used somewhere else in the article (WP:NAMEDREF) then it can be much simpler to insert a footnote. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

What can happen, though, is that several citations are sometimes necessary to answer detractors (eg to do with Trump's Big Lie), and then another editor comes along, perhaps unfamiliar with an ongoing controversy, and adds an "excessive citations" inline clean-up tag. One workaround to that is to merge citations. (I put each citation on a new line, prefixed with a * to make a bullet, surrounded by one ref, to make it easier to decipher). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Janitor Judy, the example that you point to is a quasi-footnote for the assertion However, while they are also member states of the Arab League, the Comoros, Djibouti, Mauritania, and Somalia (and sometimes the Sudan) are all geographically considered to be part of sub-Saharan Africa. Considering the purpose here, the number of sources cited seems reasonable to me. (With just one reference, another editor could reasonably object "No, all you've shown is that just one writer considers them so".) If there's little chance that the individual sources referenced here will also be referenced elsewhere in the article, I see no advantage to breaking this up into several quasi-references: doing so would merely add to the clutter. More generally, Sub-Saharan Africa is an article that appears to have been referenced with considerable care. This isn't to say that there can't be flaws in the referencing [Keep reading!], but I'd think hard before barging in and rearranging the references. Instead, make a suggestion in the talk page (and don't expect immediate responses). If the subject of this article interests you, good: there are plenty of more pressing tasks than chopping up references. Here's a sample: Another prominent kingdom in southwestern Nigeria was the Kingdom of Benin 9th–11th century whose power lasted between the 15th and 19th century and was one of the greatest Empires of African history documented all over the world. Their dominance reached as far as the well-known city of Eko which was named Lagos by the Portuguese traders and other early European settlers. The Edo-speaking people of Benin are known for their famous bronze casting and rich coral, wealth, ancient science and technology and the Walls of Benin, which is the largest man-made structure in the world. Uh-huh. Centuries don't have power. What does "documented all over the world" add here? And according to whom? If places or skills are genuinely well-known or famous, then people won't need to be told that they're well-known or famous. The Walls "is"? That this or that edifice is "the largest man-made structure in the world" is a stunning claim; where's the evidence for it? Indeed, where are the sources for any part of this part-paragraph? -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for your in-depth response, I'll definitely give the article a once over before I'm through with it and see to issues like that, and I'll for sure discuss whatever I'm unsure about. As for talk page expectations, don't worry, I ain't the impatient type. Lately I've been workin' on articles where nobody's touched the talk page for years. A real tragedy when you want clarification, but I suppose it's what it is sometimes.

However, in this case, you'll note that the example I point to in my first post is an old diff. The thing that brought me to this article is that a lot of references were contracted by the improper use of a bot a lil' while ago, and in fact in the article now, or at least at the time I came around here, that big ol' reference has been reduced to only the first one, and improperly-formatted even then (URL doesn't point to the relevant page, no date, no archive, etc.) on account of that whole fiasco. The main reason I was askin' around here was to know whether to restore it as one reference or a bunch of 'em. I hope that clear things up! ~Judy _{(job requests)} 20:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Rules that new editors must know

There are lots of rules and policies on Wikipedia, but I would like to know some general policies and rules that all editors should know. I'm kind of new to Wikipedia, and I want to know all of them so I don't break Wikipedia. Waterard (talk) 02:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @Waterard and welcome to the Teahouse! please check out Simplified ruleset. the most important ones are the Five Pillars:

Happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

it reverted to an abused definition.

Shanebruce 14:40:27 Hi, So I'm new.. and edited the "Hacker" entry to disabuse the term and added actual word origins rather than having Hacker and Cracker supposedly some response to media... and it reverted. Why or how did it revert, and how do I not waste my time?

the help chat says that wikipedia shouldn't reference itself even it's a default of citing... so clueless. ShaneMaddoxBruce (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

What you want to do is find reputable sources for the edits you wish to make. Do some googling and you’ll find stuff. The reversion was likely performed in good faith by an editor who likely didn’t understand what you were doing. A good idea to edit responsibly is to write an edit summary which will explain to other editors what it is you are trying to do. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:47, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @ShaneMaddoxBruce and welcome to the Teahouse! I haven't reviewed your edits yet, however the thing with citing Wikipedia within itself is that it lends itself to issues of citogenesis where false facts become valid because Wikipedia says so, even if the false fact was later corrected in the article it originated from. what is recommended however is citing it using the citations that support the original statement, for example, citing a paper from Nature instead of citing the Wikipedia article that cites that paper (in fact, I believe that's what Wikipedia itself and academia in general recommends when citing here) happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Policies and Guidelines

Where are the links Policies and Guidelines of wikipedia? I need a fresh read. Cheers! BloxyColaSweet (talk) 03:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. Here's a list of policy and guidelines. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Ive been getting welcomed again and again. But im already familiar with the teahouse! Why does that happen? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 03:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I use a template to greet anyone who asks a question here. It's how I do my part in providing a welcome atmosphere at this venue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

i don't care if you've been here before, you're always welcome at the Teahouse 💜 melecie talk - 03:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I have read somewhere that Teahouse hosts are only supposed to say welcome to the first post but then you have to examine whether it's the first post. There is no automation and it's easier to just say welcome without checking. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

help with talk page archiving

I would like help setting up archiving on my talk page as I havent been able to figure it out. I am attempting to set up an auto-archive with ClueBot III that archives threads after 14 days or with the User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow template using the naming scheme: User talk:FenrisAureus/Archive/2023/May I am also trying to get a search bar and an index list of archive pages below the header like on User talk:Mdaniels5757. if anyone is able to help i give them full permission to edit my talk page to make what ive been trying to do work - FenrisAureus ▼ (talk) 04:47, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@FenrisAureus This is fun. I suppose the bots that do archiving follow the command that we set up on the talk page. For example, I have set up it as User talk:TheAafi/Archive 10 whilst some other have it as User talk:DGG/Archive 194 Mar. 2023. Some users to this manually while others just keep themselves happy with the bots. ClueBot archiving templates are at User:ClueBot III. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Stamford Mercury reliable source?

Hello i wanted to know if the newspapet stamford mercury is a reliable source to add informations for a draft? Veganpurplefox (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox We have an article about the paper itself at Stamford Mercury but I don't see anything in the WP:RSN archive. So I guess it is as reliable as any historic newspaper but this will crucially depend on what statement you want the source to support. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:Splitting

When creating a proposal for splitting an article, how long until the discussion is closed? I didn't see how many days on WP:Splitting. Cwater1 (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cwater1. There is no recommended time and I don't know whether any editors monitor proposals in a systematic way. One of the problems is that a decision to split can be complicated to carry out. The oldest proposal still listed at Category:Articles to be split is Talk:Winning streak#Split proposed from August 2016, but it was partially done in 2021. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I guess it can be up to me if I started one. Cwater1 (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

If there are opposes then it may be controversial to close your own proposal as supported. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Cwater1 (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Waiting to write?

I set up my user page so that I could write an article. So far, I just keep getting looped through the article wizard back to the beginning. Is that because my user page has to be approved first? I can't do anything in sandbox but another user page. MD Free (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@MD Free: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. Your user page does not need to be approved, and I've had no trouble getting the article wizard to direct me to Draft:Otherwize. You can click on the aforementioned link to start the draft, though the article wizard does have pointers as to what is and isn't acceptable for a Wikipedia article. When you're absolutely ready for it to be reviewed, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh really?! It looks like it is the user page draft to me. Lol, thank you! I will take your word for it. Worst case scenario is that my Otherwize article ends up on my user page. Thanks again! I appreciate that! MD Free (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

It is worth mentioninging that an article on Otherwize was deleted in 2007 after this discussion. You should be careful to ensure that a new draft clearly demonstrates his notability in the sense used by Wikipedia. The information at WP:42 should help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I saw that, it was terribly rude and deserves amendment! MD Free (talk) 17:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding to the above, your userpage is for, if you like, writing a little about who you are and what you like to do as a Wikipedian. It's not the place to try to write an article. Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism documentation

Does Wikipedia have a tool or WikiProject or something like that dedicated to documenting vandalism? Crainsaw (talk) 17:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Crainsaw, see WP:CVU. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb but WP:CVU doesn't document vandalism, even their task force about studying vandalism is dead, and their goal wasn't even to document vandalism. Crainsaw (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Crainsaw, hmm, if by "document" you mean research on vandalism, meta:Research will have some studies. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:07, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Redlinks

Hi, Does having a redlink on a article when an article (redlink article) doesn't exist improve or depreciate the quality of the article on Wikipedia by adding such redlinks? See here: Satyavedu Assembly constituency 456legend(talk) 19:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, 456legend and welcome to the Teahouse. I sometimes add redlinked articles, if I feel that Wikipedia would benefit from having an article about that subject, and if it's likely that another editor might create that article. This may provide other editors with ideas for articles to create. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:REDLINK for a good guide on red links. It does a decent job of when to or not red link. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 19:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Where can I access my old Teahouse posts / questions?

I want to use these for reference. Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC).

You have to click Archive. This also works in the Talk page Adler3 (talk) 19:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

There is a search-box for the Teahouse above, you can search your username and go from there:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Link to article that was edited the longest ago

Is there a way to see which article was last edited the longest ago, or see the articles that were created more than 10 years for example. Adler3 (talk) 19:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Special:AncientPages lists those pages that haven't been edited for the longest time. There is also Wikipedia:Wikipedia's oldest articles. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Thx Adler3 (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Adler3 and Shantavira: there's also WP:DUSTY. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

The visual editor is creating duplicate content

The visual editor has a bug that duplicates content. I have seen several occasions where a reference has been duplicated at the top of the page. How do we report a technical issue like this? Fieryninja (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fieryninja: I haven't tried it, but at the top of Wikipedia:VisualEditor there is a link to create a problem report. You can also try asking about your problem at WP:VPT. RudolfRed (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Something about CoI

Hi. So I've been figuring out how to remove the CoI tag from the article Laugh Factory. Here are my questions:

How does one know if a contributor has a close connection with the subject?
How does one fix this error? Do they have to remove any content that shows CoI?
For more information, see this specific comment on the article's talk page.

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 20:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula, boldface is unnecessary. (1) The Banner said (in April 2016) that they inferred it from the content. (2) The template itself has a link, "Learn how and when to remove this template message". You might start by comparing the content as it then was to the content as it now is. -- Hoary (talk) 22:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula, that article was created by a long inactive editor whose entire efforts on Wikipedia was devoted to promoting this comedy club and its founder. The references are poor. One is a blog post by the founder, and the following reference is a blog post too. Others are taken directly from the club's website, or obviously generated by the club's press releases. The NPR reference doesn't even mention the club. The ABC 10 News reference is a routine business opening announcement.

What should be done is to identify actually reliable sources that are truly independent of the club and its founder, and that devote significant coverage to the club. Summarize those sources and get rid of the rest. Cullen328 (talk) 22:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Something is throwing an error when I remove POV text

I am getting an error that I am making an unconstructive edit when I attempt to revert an article about a serial killer back to a previous version. A user edited the page to remove references to pedophilia. This editor was was then banned for other propedo edits.

The article in question is: The article in question is:Yevgeny Petrov (serial killer)

Any help in fixing this is appreciated 107.115.5.80 (talk) 18:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe making a Wikipedia account will help. There is additional security restrictions in place probably. Adler3 (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

You may have hit an edit filter, more specifically Special:AbuseFilter/384. You can ask another editor that are WP:AUTOCONFIRMED to make the edit. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 04:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Error uploading image

When attempting to upload File:Seal of St. Francois County, Missouri.png, it returned an error (local-swift-codfw) and isn't visible. I tried uploading it as a new version, but it didn't accept it since it was identical to the "existing" file. I tried to upload a slightly modified version (https://i.imgur.com/4sEmJZO.png), but it said that it was "in an inconsistent state within the internal storage backends." Should I try again (under a new name)? Sockwell162 (talk) 05:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sockwell162: It seems to have uploaded successfully, since it was visible here before I changed it to a wikilink. RudolfRed (talk) 05:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, it's visible for me now too. Sockwell162 (talk) 05:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Use of Global Times

I wish to use a Global Times article for an article on a trolleybus route in Shanghai. I'm well aware that this is a depreciated source, but this is one of the very few sources I can find in English (most others are Chinese), and if I were being honest I don't think this particular article can be harmful even if this is used, considering this is on a general topic of trolleybuses and not some controversial topic like politics. In this case, is it okay if I were to use this particular GT article inside my Wikipedia article? SBS6577P (talk) 03:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

SBS6577P, WP:GLOBALTIMES points not only to a discussion deprecating GT but also responses to subsequent questions akin to "I know that GT is deprecated, but could it be used as a source for xyz?" Their responses can be summarized as "no". Are none of the sources in Chinese usable? If not, then it is indeed rather hard to imagine how a trolleybus route could be misrepresented for propaganda purposes, but the place to ask isn't here but instead WP:RSN. -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

questions with user Talk Pages

hi, how do i cite sources on someone else's user talk page? since i saw the owner of the talk page be able to cite sources, also, i was having a conversation on a talk page of a user on my phone and suddenly i wasn't able to reply anymore, i wasn't even able to look at the reply thread until i switched to laptop where i was able to view and reply. can someone please tell me the answers to these two questions? thank you Natieboi (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

You can do links and add the numbers manually as the link text. I do not know how to do it otherwise, but maybe there is a dedicated tool to it. Link text can be added like Link text. Adler3 (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Natieboi (talk) 09:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Natieboi and welcome to the Teahouse. Add references (<ref> ... </ref>) to your talk page message, then below these, add {{Reflist-talk}} which creates a list of references for a talk page discussion within a particular section. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Here^[1] is an example.^[2] Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

{{reftalk}} is the same thing, slightly shorter. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

(There's also {{Notelist-talk}}, which you may occasionally need). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks a lot Natieboi (talk) 09:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

References

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How do i remove hackers from my computer?

Help! How do i remove hackers from my computer not working? 2001:D08:2941:CC36:8CE8:A8FF:2581:7E2D (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia, it is not a place for asking general questions. I would suggest contacting your ISP or using Google to search for those that can help you. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to assume good faith for a moment and suggest you first read our article to understand what a hacker actually is. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

adding pictures

Hi, I need help on adding pictures on pages especially from the USA where I have my own hundreds of pictures taken from many historical places, national and state parks Garteners (talk) 08:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Garteners Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you took the images yourself, you may upload them according to the instructions at WP:UPIMAGE. If you didn't take them yourself, it is much harder as copyright needs to be determined. What specific help do you need? 331dot (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks 331dot

All pictures are mine most of them are taken with a Nicon Coolpix p1000 and other cameras. ( I am an amateur photographer )

I have some great ones from Antelope Canyon, Death Valley, Racetrack playa, Yellowstone, Badlands, Arches and Canyonlands, Devils Tower, Denali Alaska etc...I want to know how do I add them on a wiki page ( lets say Antelope Canyon or Four Corners etc..) using html code.

Thanks in advance!! Garteners (talk) 11:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Gartners: Wikipedia is always looking for high quality appropriately licensed photos, but it generally preferred that you upload such photos to Wikipedia's sister project Wikimedia Commons. You probably should, however, take a close look at c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:Derivative works, c:Commons:License revocation, c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia and c:Commons:Enforcing license terms before you start uploading anything just to make sure you understand what it means to upload your photos to Wikipedia or Commons. You may want your photos to be used in Wikipedia articles, but there's no 100% guarantee that such a thing will happen. If other members of the Wikipedia community feel that you're photos aren't improvements to the articles in question, you may have to establish a consensus in favor of using them on the relevant articles talk page. One other thing to consider is that even if the photos do end up being used in Wikipedia articles, there's no way to limit their reuse to only Wikipedia. Others will be able to freely download the photos and use them in pretty much any way they want without out needing to get your permission each time they want to do so as long as they comply with the terms of whatever copyright license you choose. I'm not trying to discourage you from uploading your photos, but you should understand what that entails and make sure it's something you want to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Marchury! Garteners (talk) 18:41, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

You can also load your pictures to a Walmart account and order prints of all sizes, and create an account on Google photos, and load them there.🙂 Lord Milner (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Possible edit war

I restored this edit to the Mahesh Bhatt article as I believe it is important information (it was removed by Atlantic306) but I don't want an edit war (he may remove it again). Is what I restored fine as it is or does it need tweaking?-1Firang (talk) 11:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

331dot can you please make time to answer this (my above) question also?-1Firang (talk) 11:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

There has been no 'edit war'. You haven't been reverted, and if this happens (which given the source cited, and the possible WP:BLP implications of the material added, seems possible) the correct procedure is to discuss the matter on the article talk page. Not here. Not on Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. [3]. You have already been informed of Wikipedia policy on canvassing multiple times, and continuing in this manner (i.e. looking to bring specific contributors into a dispute) is eventually going to result in you being sanctioned. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

There's been no edit war but I am trying to pre-empt it by asking for help with how the sentence has been framed.-1Firang (talk) 13:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Don't go into an edit assuming that there will be an edit war. It takes two to edit war- if you refrain from doing so, you will not be sanctioned for edit warring. The place to ask for help with an edit is, as noted, on the appropriate article talk page(first, at least). 331dot (talk) 13:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I need help to make it live this page here!

Hello, I need help to make it live this page here in Wikipedia, I am trying since it's been year, I am working here at Social Champ and I got all the content from the editorial department to comply the Wikipedia policy, but this page isn't getting live, still it's in draft, can you guys please help me.

Thank you so much in advance to all the contributers. (Draft talk:Social Champ - Social Media Management) Shakeelahmedseo (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft deleted and OP blocked. 331dot (talk) 14:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

331dot, Draft:Social Champ - Social Media Management (the variant mentioned above) still exists. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, the one I deleted lacked the hyphenated addition. 331dot (talk) 14:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Repackage tracklist dilemma

Usually, on articles about albums that have deluxe/repackage editions, I see that their separate tracklists only include the bonus tracks.

However, on some albums, these bonus tracks are spread out all over the album (in one case, a song from the standard edition is moved to another position).

Should I keep the full tracklist as is? Or should I reduce to bonus tracks only as usual? Baxyofh4rd (talk) 02:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Baxyofh4rd: Welcome to the Teahouse! If WP:ALTTRACKLISTING does not answer your question, I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

hi

is chess.com and lichess as source allowed? Secret dollars (talk) 04:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @Secret dollars and welcome to the Teahouse! are you using them to cite a blog post or a particular chess game (or their analysis of that game)? 💜 melecie talk - 05:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

@Secret dollars: Hi there! You might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess (if it's not already listed in the talk page archives). I suggest providing some examples of what URLs you would want to use as sources, and which articles you would want to have those sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Print to a file

How does one print a wikipedia article to a file, such as a MS Word file? ----RedYellowGreen1599 (talk) 10:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

you could look up "how to insert html into a word document". might be the easiest way to copy the exact look of wikipedia into word.

for display only it might be better to use PDF.

for editing, it might be better to only copy the text. Bart Terpstra (talk) 12:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

If you want a PDF file, try "Print/export | Download as PDF". -- Hoary (talk) 10:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Copy/pasting the article is probably sufficient in most cases. However, if you would like to preserve page formatting and images, etc, then your best bet is to use your browser’s view source function and copy all of the HTML code in it. This code can then be placed in a text editor, and then saved as a .html file. This will allow you to view it in a browser even offline. Be sure to download all of the images first. The page will, of course, only work properly if the images are in the same directory as the .html file you just created. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

modern browsers support "save page as", which will download it as a single HTML page and also most assets on the page (fonts, images), which saves you from having to do it manually. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@RedYellowGreen1599: Hi there! After saving the article as a PDF, you could use one of the free online tools that will convert a PDF to a Word doc. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Official web page: Invalid SSL certificate (expired)

Hi, should I temporarily unlink the official web site on an article if the SSL security certificate is invalid? It brings up a warning in my web browser (I could choose to ignore the warning and visit the site anyway):

Details: NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID: This server could not prove that it is alissic.co; its security certificate expired 190 days ago.

There's no point in changing the link to http, as that just redirects to https.

Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I recommend adding an archive link for people who are spooked away by the warning. Carpimaps (talk) 10:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, yes I did wonder about that. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric: {{web archive}} is a good template to use for providing an archive link in an External links section of an article. GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, GoingBatty. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

NS and Technology

Science fair project 6th grade Diy 41.116.90.192 (talk) 14:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

If you are asking us to help you with a science fair, we should not per wp:HOMEWORK. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 15:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Move

File:Battleground_Mobile_India.webp to File:Battlegrounds_Mobile_India.webp
Can someone move a picture I uploaded? This name may change. -MP1999 talk 15:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Just a note: Only file movers, administrators, and stewards can move files. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

How can i report a user?

i found a user advertising in a article talk page, how can i report him? Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Notrealname1234. If you give us the article title, we can look into it. Cullen328 (talk) 17:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Here, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yello_Mobile Notrealname1234 (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

i forgot to ping you @Cullen328 Notrealname1234 (talk) 17:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Notrealname1234, I have removed that obvious spam. You can do the same at any time. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Grumman FAAV Notability

I have found that there is no article pertaining to the Grumman VAAF prototype of the early '90s. I do not know if there is enough outside coverage of the aircraft to deserve its own article, but I have found multiple articles that reference it: Lift fan; Grumman; BCalow (talk) 06:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

No matter, BCalow. What matters is what's written in reliable sources about your proposed subject. Here (in this message thread), feel free to present the links to what you think are the best three sources. -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

These 3 sources are what I believe to be the most reliable

aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/?p=1203

ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19960027883

hitechweb.genezis.eu/vtol3c.htm

The last source I am not sure the validity of, but it is the only other source I was able to find BCalow (talk) 07:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

BCalow:

aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/?p=1203 -- "Blog" is worrying, but it's a description of an article published in a magazine, so the latter could be cited. However, it's "A brief article on a trio of Grumman designs from the 1989-1993 time period, VTOL lift-fan combat aircraft, including the Future Attack Air Vehicle (FAAV)"; and thus FAAV is discussed in one third of "a brief article", which again doesn't sound encouraging.
ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19960027883 -- This doesn't mention FAAV by name, but perhaps it's about FAAV. It's actually an introduction to this PDF, which doesn't obviously mention FAAV other than in one footnote. Is it about FAAV? You describe FAAV as a prototype; this PDF is about a 1/8 size model, if I understand right. I'm left uncertain about whether, or to what degree, this is about FAAV.
hitechweb.genezis.eu/vtol3c.htm -- There's only one short paragraph here about FAAV. And it seems to be in the private website of one Matej Furda.

I don't see how this adds up to Wikipedia-defined notability. -- Hoary (talk) 08:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I haven't written a article from scratch before, so I didn't know if this constituted writing its own article. Thanks again BCalow (talk) 17:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I hope my edit is correct

Title: Tobit and Anna with the Kid

I made occasional minor edits in the past, but not recently, and now the process seems to have changed quite a lot. The paragraph I edited this evening seems to have confused Tobias with his father Tobit in two places. I haven't checked other parts of the article; that's why I am sending you this email. Vic joseph (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Vic joseph, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit looks good to me, but I know nothing about the subject. If anybody thinks it is not an improvement, they will either just revert it, or open a discussion with you; if they do revert it, then you can open a discussion with them, on Talk:Tobit and Anna with the Kid. This is the normal way that Wikipedia works: see WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Declined article despite in-depth, reliable and independent cites

I am newish to Wikipedia and have submitted edits and articles while carefully following the rules on content submissions. One of my submissions has been declined several times despite the fact that I have extensively cited it with in-depth, reliable and independent sources. I am very confused when an editor claims I have not met this requirement. Sources include Politico, NBC News and Food Business News. I feel that I have clearly met the requirements to get it published. Can you help me with this? Here is the link: Draft:Vote Hemp Gothemp (talk) 18:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Gothemp, one of the comments says: Solid sources are provided, but their focus are hemp farming and attendant legislation. Subject is mentioned only tangentially in these; it is not the primary focus of these articles. Try to find articles that talk about Vote Hemp in-depth. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 18:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Sources such as Politico mention the org and its focus (lobbying) extensively. Why isn't this sufficient? It clearly is in-depth on the topic, reliable and independent. I see so many articles on this platform with much less cites. Gothemp (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps show us your best three independent, secondary, reliable sources that cover the subject in-depth, and see what editors here have to say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Cites #2, 3 and 7 are all good. Gothemp (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Cite #2 is directly about the organization and in-depth. I again share my concern that the submission meets the criteria but is getting discounted. Today's rejection took very little time from submission. I am wondering how the reviewer was able to read the cites in depth enough to determine that it was tangental? Other cites discuss the work of the org or cite reports that were created by them. How are all these considered tangental?? Gothemp (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read the comments left by reviewers? They agree that the sources are good, but that the sources only tangentally mention the organization. Sources must go into detail about what is significant or important or influential about this organization. The draft says it was influential, but doesn't say how other than to document its activities.

I'm also wondering if you are associated with this organization. 331dot (talk) 18:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Articles such as cite #2 do go in depth on the organization. Gothemp (talk) 18:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Gothemp Please see other stuff exists. It's often not a good idea to cite other similar articles to reference yours as it could be that these other articles are also inappropriate, and simply unaddressed by a volunteer. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those classified as good articles. I will again ask if you are associated with this organization. 331dot (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I have worked in the industry but am not directly associated. Gothemp (talk) 19:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Alleged reliable source issues

One of my edits got reverted for "RS Issues" but I don't see what's wrong. Ivyaweoff (talk) 19:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. YouTube is not always a reliable source, as anyone can put anything there. Only videos from verified news organizations are generally acceptable. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Way too many references in this article

Hi, so I came across the article Stephen Yale-Loehr and found too many references crammed into one place (see the career section.) How do I decide which are necessary and which ones are redundant?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 04:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Check out the guidance at Wikipedia:Citation_overkill. Try to find the best sources that support a particular statement and trim the rest. "Example: A source which quotes the subject giving a brief soundbite to a reporter in an article about something or someone else." RudolfRed (talk) 04:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Content on Swaraj Shetty

Hi I have created a content (biography) on Swaraj Shetty which is not getting approved due to citation issues even after providing all relevant links and citations. Could you pleease guide me on what could the possible issue? Shivani Sudhir Suvarna (talk) 07:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Poor quality of citations (examples, wikibio.in, and even Wikipedia), lack of citations, poorly described citations. Let's look at one (strangely formatted) section, "Early life". We read:

Shetty was born 30 October 1990 in Mangalore, Dakshina Kannada. He did his schooling from Narayana Guru School Mangalore and later pursued engineering from Hosur. He had always been passionate about acting and had participated in several theatre productions during his college days and has also bagged the title of Mr. Vignyan 2009 from Hyderabad. He had even won awards for his performances, which fueled his desire to pursue a career in the entertainment industry and returned to Mangalore..

None of this is referenced. The reader has no reason to believe any of it. Everything must be referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please, can someone fix this

In Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, the part of "Future" should say "Canceled sequels" ,because the film series was cancelled. Sources:[4]https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/11/11/fantastic-beasts-cancelled/ [5]https://bolavip.com/en/offside/fantastic-beasts-cancelled-why-did-warner-bros-decide-not-to-continue-with-the-franchise-20221104-0026.html [6]https://movieweb.com/fantastic-beasts-cancelled-tv-series/ [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MejeJqFcxtU [8]https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/news/fantastic-beasts-4-movie-cancelled-harry-potter/ [9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MejeJqFcxtU 190.21.169.218 (talk) 00:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. You will have a lot more luck discussing this on the article's talk page at Talk:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore and leaving an edit request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I already wrote something there and no one has answered, besides, i can't do nothing because the page is protected 190.21.169.218 (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

There is no record of your IP making any edits to that page, nor have there been any recent discussions related to what you're talking about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but it was another IP, i don't know why my IP changes 190.21.169.218 (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

IP addresses change based on a number of factors such as what network you are connected to as well as other factors. 💜 melecie talk - 03:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The request that I presume is yours is titled In "Starring" the list is not complete. Well, different people are likely to have different opinions of what constitutes stardom in a particular film. This doesn't mean that this could never be a matter for rational dispute, but you don't say anything on the talk page that seems likely to get a reaction much beyond "Uh-huh. And so?" -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Pink News draws on, and misrepresents, what Variety wrote, and Variety reads: As for what’s next? There’s speculation about whether or not “Fantastic Beasts” will complete its ambitions as a five-film franchise. At the moment, there’s no screenplay for a fourth installment, sources have confirmed. Executives at Warner Bros. are waiting to see how “The Secrets of Dumbledore” is received before giving films four and five the greenlight. [My emphasis].

As your many Chile-based dynamic IPs have been told before, we are still awaiting official confirmation, and this is why your many attempts at introducing your own interpretation of sources have been reverted by other editors. As have your attempts to change the Fantastic Beasts film billing blocks and cast lists, and to change the titles/headlines of citations/references, over a period of many months. The many reversions, page protections, user notices, warnings, and blocks should maybe tell you something. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is a diff of a typical edit made by you with an earlier IP address (with an incomplete/deceptive edit summary). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

article draft declined

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Williamhenryincedo#c-Theroadislong-20230517162200-Paid_editing

My recent article submission gets rejected.

I want to know the reason and how I can improve the content quality of it. Williamhenryincedo (talk) 09:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User talk:Williamhenryincedo. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Williamhenryincedo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was deleted as an unambiguous advertisement. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves and what they do. A Wikipedia article about a company must primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. We are not interested in what a company says about itself, or in its routine business activities, Wikipedia wants to know what those completely unaffiliated with the company choose on their own to say about it. This is usually very difficult for someone in your position to do. If you company truly merits a Wikipedia article, an independent editor will eventually take note of the company in independent sources and choose to write about it. Any article that is written will not belong to the company and can potentially contain negative information about the company, should it exist. Please keep this in mind.

If you are editing at the direction of your superiors, please read WP:BOSS and have them read it too. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there a way to clear your alerts and notices

I don't want to see my old alerts and notices, anyway to clear them? AlphaRex1984 (talk) 09:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't believe there is a way to clear the alerts- only to mark them as read or unread. I think this is because usually the alerts are not looked at unless you have one. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for the information. AlphaRex1984 (talk) 10:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help

Hello i need help i already make an article with some photos that are from random website and these photos are free to publish they are not violate rules here and how i will edit them because Mrs Liz told me about COI.

I am not owner and the motorcycles are my hobby because I have no vested interests or advertisements, I just like motorcycles and I know this brand by heart.

Please i am a very novice in wikipedia i need help. Tresor23 (talk) 11:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Tresor23 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Photos from websites are almost never appropriate for use on Wikipedia. They only would be if the copyright of the image is clearly shown to allow use of the photo for any purpose or if the photo is otherwise in the public domain(such as works of the US federal government).

I don't know who "Mrs Liz" is, but it certainly is not a conflict of interest to merely be interested in the topic of motorcycles. Your attempts at a draft seemed to just consist of posting an external link, they did not seem to be efforts to write an encyclopedia article, which is the most difficult task to perform here. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

He must have meant Liz who told him about this, "Teahouse" on his talk page.-1Firang (talk) 11:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

true as you said Tresor23 (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I want to be legal here on the wiki and contribute, as for the photos I will look it up again because I am not in the mood for trouble thank you 331dot Tresor23 (talk) 12:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tresor23 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have difficulty with the English language, perhaps you might consider contributing to one of the other Wikipedia sites that uses your native language, until you get used to editing at Wikipedia? Here's a list of Wikipedias in different languages. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I know some English, Thank you for your answer. Tresor23 (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I let authors know in one click

I want to delete The Daily Campus, so I followed instructions and notified all the authors. Can I do this in one click? It takes too much time. Chances last a finite time (talk) 14:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

There's: {{ping|author1|author2|author3|author4|...up to...|author50}} "notification message" ~~~~

See Template:Ping for documentation. Note that the template has to be in the same edit you sign, e.g., can't be a later addition to a previously signed edit. – .Raven ^.talk 14:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chances. Twinkle can make tasks like that one easier. ColinFine (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Chances last a finite time (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Where does paraphrasing end and plagiarizing begin?

This section in Ron DeSantis, added here,

He lifted restrictions earlier than most other state governors, but implemented measures to protect the elderly.^[1] DeSantis managed to avoid the dire consequences predicted by many, Florida’s death rate was within the national average, and the state’s economy fared better than many others.^[1]

is based on this text in Encyclopedia Britannica:

he lifted restrictions much earlier than other governors, though he implemented measures to protect the elderly. While many predicted dire consequences, Florida’s death rate (more than 75,000 people) was within the national average, and the state’s economy fared better than many others.

Aside from the WP text giving DeSantis unsourced credit, is this acceptable as paraphrasing? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 11:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd say this is next to the line on paraphrasing as it says essentially the same with but rephrased in certain areas. FusionSub (talk) 11:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

It's plagiarism. -- Hoary (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

It's also a very pro-DeSantis position. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's plagiarism -- and also of questionable accuracy. A more precise statement would be that Florida ranked about 10th highest among U.S. states in number of cases and deaths per capita. That's higher than the "national average" for death and infection rate per capita. Smallchief (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This appears to be WP:COPYVIO, see detail at that link. SPECIFICO talk 13:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This we learned in the 8th Grade: You must "substantially change" a writing in order for it not to be plagiarism. Paraphrasing is self explanatory, and it is exactly what you see above. Hope this helps.🙂 Lord Milner (talk) 13:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

According to Vox, his state had a faster economic recovery though the state's average amount of cases were 3% higher than the rest of the country. The Capitalist forever (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

But was that demonstrably attributable to anything DeSantis did, or due to factors outside his control? (I'm a disinterested observer from another continent, and genuinely don't know.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 15:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b Tikkanen, Amy (August 31, 2022). "Ron DeSantis". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved September 4, 2022.

move draft to page

Hi I'm new user and I want to learn? as a suggestion, I would like to Draft:Tazi Habiba move intro a page. I had submitted a detailed

Thank you with all my heart Rapmarocedit (talk) 02:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rapmarocedit: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. I see you've already submitted the draft. A reviewer will get to it when they do. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by move intro a page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tenryuu, I set up my user page so that I could write an article, need to be approved, and I've traductions the page from fr:Tazi Habiba getting the article wizard to direct me to Draft:Tazi_Habiba

Can someone move reviewer ?

Thanks again! I appreciate the feedback! Rapmarocedit (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

There's really nothing to do except wait. It's a backlog, not a queue, and reviewers are more likely to pick drafts they're interested in. I'd suggest working on something else in the meantime, or editing it if you find more reliably sourced information. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer Tenryuu, and I will get to work on something else, could launch in the draft of tazi habiba care to correctly report the reliably sourced all improvements

Thank you in advance for your kindness to this request Rapmarocedit (talk) 03:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I reviewed it, and declined it. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Anachronist,

thank you very much, understood il new user, you can help me to work by adding all the necessary sources and by formatting it correctly information, and Proofreading my first articles?

I don't know if it's easy to change. Thank you in advance for your comments Rapmarocedit (talk) 04:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rapmarocedit! Asking to have references added by other volunteers to what you've already written suggests you've made the common error of trying to write an article backwards (perhaps based on your personal knowledge). You should start by finding sufficient published WP:Reliable sources, basing your draft only on what they say, and then adding more details from more sources. It's your job to find the sources in the first place. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

A user keeps reverting my edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ale.ch.geor this user keeps reverting my citation edit, even they are correct, i kinda got into a edit war, what do i do? Notrealname1234 (talk) 21:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I found out that the user keeps doing edits that are incorrect Notrealname1234 (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Notrealname1234 (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

what cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 01:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

no, really, what?

was i, a professional non-admin, supposed to stop an edit war by using the ability to block someone that i don't have?

the only noteworthy thing i saw on their talk page was an unblock request from an article, which was denied because they weren't actually blocked from editing said article

or am i just overthinking an accident or something cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 16:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Notrealname1234, on the article's talk page (or, if a number of articles are involved, then on the talk page of one of these articles), start a discussion. Be clear, polite, precise, and concise. -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Creation of the Wikipedia page

Guys I'm new and I want to learn. As a suggestion, I would like to publish this page that I created. I added new funds. Thank you with all my heart

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Salvatore_Ruocco&fbclid=IwAR17oYNDF7rp4vcYOFRkluuQ7oWte_5ynPKTAIv_EbfmobqVrvTgsswdMiI Cinefilm (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cinefilm Please read the feedback other editors provided, before submitting it for feedback. Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Good day Cinefilm,

It might help you to switch to the Visual Editor if you have not already as it simplifies the code of a page to a menu. It will help you change the links as references to inline citations, or footnotes. Grammar is also an issue with the page.

As for the elephant in the room, the article is way to small with too few citations. Citations need to be reliable and there needs to be enough to pass notability requirements. You should be extra carful as you are dealing with a living person. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 20:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

i tried to do something about formatting (which i count as grammar, don't @ me), at least

hope it's not as unhelpful as i initially assumed it was cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 20:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Cinefilm (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Thank you all, you have been kindCinefilm (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with deleting a draft for good

Hi, can you please assist in permanently deleting this draft : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Global_Excellence_Assembly

I think one of the reasons why a published article was removed is because of this misleading draft.

Thanks you in advance Houladinas (talk) 12:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Houladinas: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. The draft in question has already been deleted, either at your or someone else's request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your genuine response, much appreciated Houladinas (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

How to link two articles in different languages about the same person

Hello everyone, do you know how can these two articles be connected? They are about the same person, but they are not shown as a different language option for each one of them. Any idea how to make that happen? Thanks!

EDIT: Here are the links to each article:

Spanish: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenas_(cantante) English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenas

Piano123piano (talk) 14:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Piano123piano – it looks like this is an issue on Wikidata. It appears as though es:Athenas (cantante) and Athenas have two separate Wikidata items. To fix this, I have performed a merge of those two items. It should be fixed by now. Thanks for bringing this up! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 15:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Piano123piano you can read more about Wikidata merges at d:Help:Merge. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of my profile

I would like to know how can I appear in wikipedia. I can send my history including my cv, achievements, references, and i would like to know how much is. Thank you in advance for your prompt answer. Maor Rozen, 80.31.240.21 (talk) 17:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. You can't buy your way into Wikipedia. You need to become notable. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Additionally I would recommend reading Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Maor. If you're even considering the possibility of paying for this, it is worth warning you that there are many people out there offering to creating a Wikipedia "profile" (there is no such thing, by the way) for money. Some of them may be honest, and tell you up front that they are required to declare their status as paid editors, and that they cannot guarantee that they can get an article about you accepted, or that if one is accepted it will say what you would like it to say. Many are scams. ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Maor, you seem to have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. This is not a website where people tell of their own qualifications and accomplishments. That's what social media is for. This is an encyclopedia that is concerned with what third parties say about a topic, not what it wants to say about itself, and not merely documenting its existence. There are criteria for inclusion, called notability. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Writing a unbiased article that I'm indirectly paid for?

I'm writing two articles that I'm indirectly paid for. This has been disclosed, in line with Wikipedia Terms of use, on my user page.

The first article is an update of an already published old article about the parking app RingGo. I've addressed the changes on RingGo's Talk page.

The second article is about RingGo's mother company EasyPark Group. EasyPark Group doesn't have an article up on Wikipedia. I tried to create a draft which was later deleted due to my connection with the company, including some feedback that it wasn't unbaised and that some sentences could be interpreted to commercially. It's now rewritten in a straight forward way, just like my RingGo edits and my quesiton is how I move forward to get it published?

Thank you for your help. JMW Editor (talk) 13:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Your re-write on the article talk page is entirely promotional and supported by press releases which are not independent sources.Theroadislong (talk) 13:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor: if you wish to write an article on the EasyPark Group (or any other topic you have a conflict of interest in), you must submit your draft for review at WP:AFC; you're not allowed to publish it directly yourself. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for clarification. JMW Editor (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor Your post here has reminded me of the current fuss in the UK about smartphone-only carparks and I have added some well-sourced information about that to the RingGo article. This demonstrates a comment often seen on Teahouse threads that an article about you or your company is not always a good thing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor, Draft:EasyPark Group has three references listed at the end, but no inline citations at all. Also, I notice that two of the references have headlines which are rather critical of an action which has been taken, but no such criticism appears in the body of the article. The draft just says things which (I assume) EasyPark would like people to know, sourced (I assume) to EasyPark itself, and nothing else. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor: You wrote that article WP:BACKWARD. Start over. Delete what you have, collect sources, and write what the sources say. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please, approve this draft

Aprrove Draft:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (soundtrack), please, it has everything to aprove it and make it an article on Wikipedia 201.188.134.212 (talk) 04:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See the note at the top of the draft: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,766 pending submissions waiting for review." You can continue to work on improving the draft while you wait for review, or work on something else. RudolfRed (talk) 04:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing a template

Hello! I have found a spelling error in a template (Quotation Templates) and I want to be certain about how to fix this before I go ahead. I think that I can fix the text in "Template:Quotation_templates"; then it says something about updating the documentation. What are any special things I need to know before making a change to a template? Jkgree (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

If it was the spelling of "separate" (a common error) I've fixed it. There is nothing special about that sort of tweak. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jkgree, thanks for spotting that error! To give you a more generalized answer, template editing can be tricky because a given template will have lots of uses, and you'll want to make sure your change doesn't break any of them. You can use the option at the bottom of the edit window to preview pages that use the template, and you can also use the template sandbox. When you do something like introduce a new parameter, you always want to update the documentation associated with the template, in this case at Template:Quotation templates/doc. But just fixing a typo doesn't change anything functionally, so there's no need to change the documentation. Hope that helps! Template editing can be a fun and highly impactful task once you get the hang of it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Users on Draft Article?

FULL DISCLOSURE: Truly inexperienced Wiki user here. My question: can another wiki user/friend collaborate with me while the article is in the Draft stage? If so, after they login with their own credentials how do they find my Draft “Maddy Walsh” article and get the keys to edit with my permission. ~~ Maybe the other way to ask the question is: can just any Wiki user work on my Draft anytime? ~~ Moxy Rock (talk) 21:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Moxy Rock, welcome to the Teahouse. To answer your last question first - yes. Anyone can work on any draft. Just give them a link to it - for instance, Draft:Maddy Walsh or Maddy Walsh. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Moxy Rock:, I don't know how this looks on all interfaces, but if I click in the search box at the top of a Wikipedia article, a "Search" button appears. If I click on this, it takes me to the advanced search page, where it is possible to select in which parts of Wikipedia you are searching. Here, you can select that you want to search in drafts, so it is possible to find other people's drafts. In fact it's a good idea to do this before starting a new article, because it might be that someone else has already started writing something very similar. Collaboration often makes things better. Elemimele (talk) 06:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can someone here review my drafts?

Draft:Martin Lefebvre & Draft:Dylan Fabre. I'd like any comments on how to imrpove them and you could maybe fix possible mistakes and typos i make. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 06:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kilaseel. Since both your drafts are about hockey players, you might get some good advice from the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey since that's where you're likely to find Wikipedia users who have experience working on such articles. At first glance, the drafts look OK to me. I would remove the flag icon from the infobox of the Fabre draft per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG and perhaps try and figure out a better way to incorporate the in-body image in the Fabre draft, but the formatting of both otherwise looks OK (at least to me). Maybe some other cleanup per MOS:NUMERAL as well. None of the things I've mentioned, however, will have any impact on whether either draft is accepted as an article. One important thing to rememeber is WP:OVERCOME, particularly since the notability sub-guideline for athletes recently underwent a pretty thourough revision and is stricter than it perhaps prevoiously was. Whether either of these two players meet that guideline would be a good think to ask the members of WikiProject Hockey about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Retired SME and COI

I'm a subject matter expert, retired several years ago, and I'm a beginner here. Decades back, I was entangled in the controversial stuff that made my field what it is today. I was a moderately big fish in a very small pond, and at various times I worked with competing parties on all sides. At this time and for close to 10 years, however, I have had no financial interest in the subject, the various issues have all played out, and in my heart I have reached a point of equanimity. I'd like to dig in and edit/create some articles that I'm uniquely able to craft--but if I have to declare COI and ask for help posting every sentence I write then the process will be very inefficient. Does the WP definition allow my COI to "age out," or am I cursed forever to {{request edit}} every addition and correction I post? LeggyLettuce (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@LeggyLettuce: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to expand and improve the encyclopedia. If you are no longer in a position that would be a conflict of interest, such as a financial relationship with the subject, then you should be fine to create and edit articles. What does "create some articles that I'm uniquely able to craft" mean? Any article you create must be supported by what reliable sources say and not by your personal experience or expertise. RudolfRed (talk) 05:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @RudolfRed, and I appreciate your point about reliable sources. What I meant was that existing articles in my field have inaccurate paragraphs about technical things that are probably a nuisance for other folks to write, sandwiched between better-crafted sections on what we might consider the "cool stuff." As a subject expert, I'll have a much easier time than others fixing those technical bits. And I am pretty confident about which poorly-sourced topics and historic figures will met criteria as "notable" enough for new articles, because I have mentored and written about them before. LeggyLettuce (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi LeggyLettuce. You might want to take a look at WP:EXPERT since it covers users such as yourself. The thing to remember is that while your expertise is valued (or at least should be valued), it will not give you any sort of editorial control over the articles you edit. You will still be expected to follow relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like everyone else. This could mean that in some cases consensus might go against you no matter how right you know you are. As long as you don't start trying to use your expertise as a way of arguing that you know better than anyone else and that others should defer to you, you should be OK. Finally, you might want to consider looking to see whether they are any WikiProjects that cover the subjects you're interested in. WikiProjects are good places to find others with similar interests and also perhaps who are also "content experts". They also can be good places to learn how things are done on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, @Marchjuly. I did not know about WP:EXPERT; thank you for that suggestion! And yeah, I get what you're saying about (I'll paraphrase) not getting all bossy about being the expert. Fortunately for everyone concerned, decades of university teaching do tend to grind off the sharper edges of one's ego, and offspring file down anything remaining after that. Interestingly enough, the WikiProjects topics closest to my heart are well populated with complementary souls; but I have not yet spotted any that align directly with me--ergo, I think, the alternating paragraph situation I mentioned previously. Maybe I have found a niche--fingers crossed. LeggyLettuce (talk) 07:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Linking to Kiss the band

If I want to link to Kiss, The band, how do I do it? Seaparrot876 (talk) 10:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

by using that button that looks like a chain, or ctrl + k. proper usage should result in something like this cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Seaparrot876 By creating a wikilink like Kiss (band). There are various tricks described at WP:LINK which explain how to do this so that the link is simpler visually to the reader, as in Kiss, but goes to the correct article, not, for example Kiss. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

With wikitext, see Help:Link, with VisualEditor, see Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor/3. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

video

can you make a lyric video for me Svh4dd (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, Svh4dd, encyclopedias don't make videos to meet individual requests. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete all my creations

I would like to get my all contributions deleted to make a new article with all the improvements Jagriti.sri (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User talk:Manglesh Kumar Srivastava. Hi, Jagriti.sri and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this the page you wish to delete? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

yes and even this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drmangleshbjp&direction=prev&oldid=1156728183 Jagriti.sri (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Jagriti.sri, simply delete from the draft material that you don't want there, and replace that material with material that you do want there. -- Hoary (talk) 12:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Changing a title

How do I change the title of an article I created? this is the link to my article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ben_Woods&oldid=1156748919 I'd like to change it to Ben Woods (Guitarist) since there is an article already titled Ben Woods Acj.15.acj (talk) 12:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it, nevermind! Acj.15.acj (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Give suggestions

Can you please review or give suggestions on my 2 drafts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhai_Satta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Raja_Rasalu ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ Bhai Satta is great but the other one is terrible for wikipedia and it just reads like folklore 216.168.139.239 (talk) 13:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Drafting an article

hello! tried to publish my first article and got rejected... anyone able to help? article is: Draft:Roger Starr JcwDenno (talk) 11:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, JcwDenno and welcome to the Teahouse.Try to find at least three independent, secondary, reliable sources that cover the subject in-depth, to show notability. See the golden rule. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

thank for for this, will refer to the golden rule like a new bible ! JcwDenno (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

JcwDenno, as the decline message says, This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. The New York Times ones are not independent, since Starr worked for the New York Times. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you for this, silly old me did not realise, still getting the hang of all this JcwDenno (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@JcwDenno Note that they may still have use as sources, but may not help in the WP:N sense. Try archive.org, google isn't great with old stuff, but things like [10] can still pop up. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@JcwDenno A simple Google search shows that Starr wrote extensively, so some valid sources would be reviews of his work. I used The Wikipedia Library (which, unfortunately you do not yet qualify to join) to find some. I'll post the ones that seem to me to be most useful into the draft or its Talk Page when I get time later.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@JcwDenno As I suspected, there are heaps of good independent references that will easily take Starr to adequate notability. I've added a few to the draft and you could access them to expand the limited text I've already included. If you can't reach the original sources then contact me by email (via my Userpage) and I'll send you the .pdfs, which for copyright reasons I can't post here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Article improving suggestions

Dear Teahouse I got totally confused but I'll try hard as much i can please suggest any mistakes in this article name Draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey which one is I'll created it is comes under wikipedia submission or not G20norms (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, G20norms. See your open question, Biography article above. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If you're confused and need a TL;DR ("too long; didn't read") response, I would say: All significant, and especially personal details need to be either sourced or removed. So I removed the "Early life and background" section. Forget about the External links for now. If the subject has no web site presence, exceptions can be made to link to social media sites instead, but it's unclear whether that means that all three sites can remain or if you need to pick one. This is not a "dealbreaker", however, and that can be sorted out later by you or other editors.

If you really want to go ahead, then click the big blue button labelled "Submit the draft for review!" and follow the instructions. Then wait patiently, and see what the reviewer and any other commentators have to say. If necessary, come back here to The Teahouse for further advice. Regards, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay thanks G20norms (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

One more question please suggest what are reliable tags is good for this article. G20norms (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Translate text!!!!!!!Please

hello . How are you? Can you translate text(history) abaout Nora en Pure fom eanglisch to polisch? i speaking in eanglisch more on less but good be read her history in polisch.Cheers. P00int666 (talk) 14:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @P00int666, welcome to the Teahouse. You'll find many people fluent in English on English Wikipedia, but not so many in Polish. If you want an article translated into Polish, it might be more useful to ask around on Polish Wikipedia, which is where the article would end up anyway. They seem to have an equivalent to the Teahouse at this link. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I want to submit an article for an artist

Hello !1

Can anyone please help me with a draft i am making for an artist how can i fix it and how to be accepted . Draft:TEDD TeddXhika (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

TeddXhika Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What help are you looking for? You have already resubmitted the draft and the reviewer will leave you feedback, as a previous reviewer did.

You say this is "for" the musician. What is your association with them? 331dot (talk) 15:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There is little to no chance your draft will be accepted in its current state. Your first citation is to a Google search: your job as editor is to evaluate whether any of the Google hits can be used as sources meeting Wikipedia's golden rules and if so to paraphrase them and cite them in detail. The other sources do not seem to be WP:independent of TEDD and as such do not demonstrate he is notable in the way we define that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@TeddXhika, do you know this artist personally? You have apparently taken a very close-up picture of them. You may need to review our guideline on editing with a conflict of interest - WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@TeddXhika: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. Your username matches that of the subject. If you are the subject, please understand that writing an article about yourself is vehemently discouraged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding a complicated citation.

Hello,

Thank you for your help in advance. I want to do a citation for the article that I am creating that looks like the second citation in the Wayne Gretzky article. How do I do that? I appreciate your help. Orlando Davis (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Orlando Davis and welcome to the Teahouse. Like so:

<ref> * cite 1 * cite 2 </ref> with each bulleted cite on a new line. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Orlando Davis (talk) 16:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ulrich Kutschera

Why contains this Article so many false statements and errors? hy are key references ignored? Why can Wikipedia not write objective, unbiased CVs on controversial living people? For instance, Ulrich Kutschera is a Scientist- "Professor of Biology", an author of 16 books, and musician, he released 5 CDs with own compositions. Why does Wikipedia not report that he tudies Biology-Chemistry and the Theory of Music? Diwata2 (talk) 16:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is made up of thousands of volunteers working to improve the more than 6 million English Wikipedia articles. They tend to work on projects they have a special interest in. You may want to read Help:Referencing for beginners, find some excellent reliable references, and improve the article that you feel is incorrect. Best wishes on your efforts to improve Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Apps articles

Hi, I want to write some articles about some mobile apps I use and would like to know the best practices and what should I avoid when it comes to writing about software? Bluepen'n'paper (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Bluepen'n'paper, creating an article is the toughest task you can perform on Wikipedia. See WP:YFA if you want to continue. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bluepen'n'paper You might like to look at some typical articles created by members of this Project and then read this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Biography article

Dear Team, Ankit Kumar Pandey who's the Fit India Movement Ambassador is comes under Biography notability should i write article on him please help suggestions G20norms (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @G20norms, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you found multiple independent, reliable, published secondary sources with significant coverage of this person (see WP:42)? If so, they may well be notable. If you're not sure about your sources, you could post links to the three best sources you've found and someone here might evaluate them for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

If I'll provide you name and sources you can write article on him G20norms (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, I have no desire to write an article on this person. If you have the sources and want to start writing an article, I recommend that you read Help:Your first article and follow the directions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok got only suggest news platform like - Times of India, Hindustan Times, Hindustan, India today, Pm India office are reliable sources? G20norms (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, looking at WP:RS/PS, The Times of India is not so great. The others are not listed there, but our Hindustan Times and India Today articles seem to indicate they would be okay. I don't know what you mean by "Hindustan" and "Pm India office" - presumably the latter is the Prime Minister's office? If so, that would be an official government source and (generally - not always) reliable. Note that sources also need to be independent and secondary, and contain significant coverage of the subject. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes Pm meant by Prime Minister office and "The Times of India" is not reliable sources? Hindustan is very popular hindi news platform. G20norms (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, ah, you mean Hindustan (newspaper). Our article on that one isn't very good, unfortunately, so I can't say much about it. And yes, The Times of India has been discussed several times and judged to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable - see WP:TOI, where there is an explanation and links to the various discussions. Also, if you look at this part of WP:RS/PS, you'll see a search box which will let you search through past discussions, in case you want to check whether a certain source has come up for debate before. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

And one more question i have, how can i unprotect any article from protected article G20norms (talk) 21:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, you will need to make a request here. Be sure to read and follow the instructions. Note that a request to unprotect Ankit Kumar Pandey was made just yesterday and declined (here). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Dear teahouse,

Is this article draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey had any issues with citation or language tone i know you only guide please help once . G20norms (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, yes, it has several issues. Ravensfire pointed out some of them for you over on Materialscientist's talk page. For instance, the first 5 sources are not about Ankit Kumar Pandey; much of the information does not have supporting inline citations; and the language tends toward the promotional. Also, I'm not sure that this person is notable, but that's going to depend on the strength of those last three sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Same topic news articles from different different channels are accepted as inline citation G20norms (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

G20norms if you are talking about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, this isn't really a valid argument. Other than references, you need to trim the external links section, WP:TWITTER, WP:FACEBOOK, WP:INSTAGRAM. Remove caps from section titles, making them sentence case, and put citations at the end of sentences and after punctuation (WP:REFPUNCT). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Dear Sungodtemple,

Overall i have to remove caption from the image and remove External link but dear i had one question i read most of Biography they added External so please tell me my coding of the External link are wrong ot i have to remove it. G20norms (talk) 09:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

MOS:REFPUNCT reads: All ref tags should immediately follow the text to which the footnote applies, with no intervening space. [Their emphasis] (sometimes at the end of a sentence or paragraph, sometimes mid-sentence). Ref tags should be after most punctuation.

Re. external links: Exceptions are sometimes made for Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Regular websites are strongly preferred, but exceptions are made for official links when the subject of the article has no other Web presence. Does that mean picking one of the social media sites above, or allowing all three? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't understand i have to remove provided External links all three? but understood that if article had no any web references then wikipedia consider External links like facebook, instagram or twitter. G20norms (talk) 10:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether you can have all three social media links (as an exception, since he has no web site) or only one, so I pose that question to other editors here. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I changed the headings from title case to sentence case, and punctuation before reference. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You changed the title case to sentence before reference or i have to do it in draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey G20norms (talk) 10:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

G20norms, I've changed the headings to "Sentence case" from "Title Case", so you don't have to. I've also changed the punctuation, and made a few minor changes to the references. You can now see the changes.

There are some big gaps where text is not referenced.

(By the way, I've wikilinked some of the work entries in the references to show that they have Wikipedia articles. I've noticed two or three times with other drafts that reviewers sometimes assume that Indian or Oriental media are less noteworthy than (say) European or US media). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

so can we now that article draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey is completely ok or we have to work on it for more accuracy or we can allow him for draft review submission G20norms (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Let's see what other editors here have to say now. Is the article ready for review? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Overall currently it's in under updation it's not ready for review? G20norms (talk) 10:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The "Early life and background" section is unsourced. If you can't find a biography to use as a reference, you may have to first delete some or all of this section. I'm sure in the coming months, the subject will get more coverage in the media. But let's wait a while and see what other editors here now think of the draft. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If you either add sources to "Early life and background" or delete that whole section, you could (if you wish, and if you feel ready, and want to go ahead), submit the draft for review, and then see what the reviewer and other commentators have to say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you please if i have to add only mother's name father's name and siblings or if we had no any reference about them so how can we add them without reference. G20norms (talk) 11:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I have deleted the "Early life and background" section. All significant, and especially personal, facts in biographies of living persons need to be sourced or removed. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

So now the rest of article is well according to provide sources what's your opinion on it as an editor? G20norms (talk) 12:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

But news platform like The Times of India, Hindustan times, Hindustan (newspaper), India today are good platforms G20norms (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. They are reliable sources. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

In the above discussion sungodtemple mentioned to trim External links whats your opinion on it G20norms (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See my answer above. Forget about changing the External links for now. This is not a "dealbreaker". There is an exception for external links for people who have no regular web site, but it's unclear whether that means you can keep all three links to social media, or only one of them. As I said above (and I've now deleted the unsourced section containing personal details), if you really want to go ahead, then submit the article for review and see what the reviewer and any commentators have to say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, there's some notability concerns. There are three sources that mention Pandey and all three are about the same thing - being named ambassador for the fit india program. Even in those sources, it's more fluff coverage than significant coverage. I'd really, really like to see more sources about Pandey. DOB still isn't sourced. Given the history (and the SPI mentioned below), there's a very strong feel of WP:UPE/WP:COI editing here. Ravensfire (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Dob source how is it possible to get even i read almost Biography there's no any dob source inline and they Approved or also you can suggest what kind of source because i don't think so newspaper or something else had that G20norms (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

As I said earlier, all significant facts, especially personal details in a biography of a living person need to either be sourced or removed. I've removed date of birth, for starters, and other editors and I have rigorously "pruned" the remaining content. In time, if the subject really is notable, further articles may be published, and more facts known. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

What kind of source for dob are eligible G20norms (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See this Biography Ankit Bathla there's no any dob sourced G20norms (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

G20norms, DOB, even place of birth, the names of relatives ... all these things need to be in independent, secondary, published, reliable sources, especially in BLPs. That means in things like newspapers, magazines, journals, books, publicly accessible official records, on the radio, television, video or audio podcasts. Whatever sources can also be verified by other editors and readers. If not, it should be removed. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:55, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Please also see WP:BLPPRIMARY which shows what basic facts may be – or must not be – added from primary sources. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Please also provide disclosure temple references for article lock that no one can edit without permission G20norms (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Have had to add "Citation needed" tags to the DOB which has been re-added in two places. I won't edit war, but as I just pointed out, WP:BLPs especially require independent, reliable, secondary, published sources for personal details. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, @The haul: I give up: A whole section on personal life has again been added that is unreferenced. That is not the way to get the draft successfully reviewed. And I also have to ask how is it that the editor is in possession of so many unpublished personal details? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong, Justlettersandnumbers, Materialscientist, Nathan2055, Jimfbleak, TheBirdsShedTears, Stwalkerster, Ankit Krs Pandey, The Fact Explorer, Nishee22, G20norms, and Esowteric: Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ankit Krs Pandey --Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 12:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Help in finishing this Translation of the article on german Gender Studies scholar Heidi Schelhowe

Hello, I made a Translation of a German Wikipedia article and would like to finish it. I still struggle with doing the last steps on my own. The current Translation should move to a normal article The Article on my userpage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aberlin2/Heidi_Schelhowe @CaroleHenson maybe you are interested to help. I remember your amazing support with the Marie Burde Article. Aberlin2 (talk) 17:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, sure Aberlin2, I will finish up on an article in a bit and then go take a look at the article about Heidi Schelhowe.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating an Article

When I'm on the "That page does not exist" page I click "Start creating", then "Next",Then "Next" again, then "I'm not connected to the subject" then I [ut in the draft name and it takes me back to "That page does not exist" page! Am I doing something wrong? Graham98765 (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765 I think that the problem is that you are editing from a new account and are therefore not allowed to directly create a new mainspace article. Use the WP:AfC process (see that link) and you should be fine, although creating acceptable articles is more difficult than you might imagine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, it sounds like you are trying to use the Article Wizard mentioned above, but it's not working. Can you tell us the name of the draft you're trying to create? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yugoslav Commemorative War Cross Graham98765 (talk) 17:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, here is Draft:Yugoslav Commemorative War Cross. I created it simply by clicking on a red link. I'm not sure why it wasn't working for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Very likely because the OP did a search for "Yugoslav Commemorative War Cross" and then tried directly to create it from the red-link below the search box rather than the link which creates a draft. The latter method should have worked but the former only works for WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull, from their description, it sounds like they clicked on the Article Wizard link in You can create a draft and submit it for review, got to this part, and then it bugged out on them. I couldn't replicate the issue, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all very much for the help! Graham98765 (talk) 17:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, I have fixed the formatting in your draft - I'm not sure why the text was added as a table. You have cited no sources, so I'm afraid your draft will be declined. Where did you get the information? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

In fact, it was declined just moments ago. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know to add sources, but I used this one. http://www.omsa.org/files/jomsa_arch/Splits/1967/417116_JOMSA_Vol18_1_10.pdf Graham98765 (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, it would be a good idea to read Help:Referencing for beginners, or - even better - to go through Help:Introduction. References are added - at a most basic level - by putting the source information (title, link, etc.) between <ref> and </ref>. Even better is to use a citation template. Also, subjects of Wikipedia articles must be notable. You will need to find reliable, independent, published secondary sources that have significant discussion of this medal, summarize them, and cite them. See WP:42 for further explanation. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Apparently there may be a bit of a problem due to a recent change. See this post at VPT. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with Cite Errors

Calvin Lo (businessman)

How do I remove cite errors? and what are they for? Need help.

Thanks. Simonriley1994 (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Simonriley1994, welcome to the Teahouse. That article uses a rather unusual reference style, and when a new editor added new references to the article, the two styles clashed. I have removed the now unused references from the reflist, which fixed the errors (I also removed the external links section, which was full of not-really-appropriate links - a link or two to the subject's personal websites would be fine). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, Thank you so much for this! Also, thank you so much for the fixing the external links tag as well (that would have been my second question). Simonriley1994 (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Why do people argue Wikipedia does not have an ideology?

OUT OF SCOPE

Boldly closing this for being a discussion that is meandering way outside of the Teahouse's purview. Please take this somewhere else, like WP:VPP if this is supposed to effect a policy change. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why do people argue Wikipedia does not have an ideology?

Wikipedia and it's editors clearly have a set of beliefs, then why do people frequently argue it is ideologically neutral?

and i do not mean ideological bias, i am talking about the idea that Wikipedia's policy and editor culture itself constitutes an ideology.

This must have come up more often, but a brief search turns up nothing. Bart Terpstra (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra our "ideology" is that we should be neutral, it's not that hard to understand unless you read into it too much 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

but a definition of neutral is ideological, right?

A definition of what is neutral is not neutral or objective itself, right?

It also obviously carries with it a belief why neutrality is a value people should have in the first place. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra of course rules about neutrality are not neutrally created otherwise there would be no rules at all 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bart Terpstra, welcome to the Teahouse. Who is arguing that Wikipedia doesn't have an ideology? Anyone who contributes here probably has certain, rather obvious views on wikis, encyclopedias, the internet, the free spread of information, etc. It doesn't belong in our articles, but it does permeate everything else we do. This is entirely separate from WP:NPOV. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I frequently run into people saying WP:NPOV is objective and neutral, also often citing WP:NOT.

That introducing a new point of view is WP:PROMOTION, that by adding a new point of view, i am taking part in an ideological battle and that Wikipedia is not a political forum.

But if Wikipedia has an ideology, then at the very least, it's a political forum about itself and the interpretation of the guidelines. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, Wikipedia's goal is to have articles which represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. That is our definition of neutrality in terms of article content. It may not align with other definitions of neutrality (in fact it definitely doesn't), but that's what has been agreed upon over the years. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

but how do you establish proportionality? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

By how other reliable sources do it. If reliable sources don't give mention to a perspective, we don't either. --Jayron 32 18:31, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

but the decision on what is and is not a reliable source is itself an ideological choice, right? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra ACtually it's usually based on if it's been reliable in the past 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

this is begging the question. you say X is X because it has been X in the past to a question asking what X is. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's in dispute, by discussion to reach a consensus. Wikipedia runs on consensus. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

and this consensus forming process is a political process, right? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

We make many ideological choices when running Wikipedia. Again, @Bart Terpstra, NPOV is only about what goes into articles. Not about what happens outside of them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Then how should i handle it when people accuse me of having editorial beliefs about what is significant and they belief that it's political/not neutral/ideological/soapbox, etc.

and citing that neutral point of view includes this point of view and that the view meets the criteria of notability is not convincing. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra You seem to hate police and support anarchy to an extent and wrote a one sentence one reference draft of some socialist group and when it got rejected you called it vandalism and it really seems like you are doing Wikipedia wrong you should take a break. 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

sorry, i'm actually for law enforcement and have significant criticisms of anarchism.

the single sentence draft was because that's how i read the guidelines on translated article creation, this has been cleared up to me.

i deleted the "your draft has been rejected" in my talk page, because really, that should be a private message or notification, i thought it was fun to label the deletion "vandalism", not that anyone would actually go through the trouble to look.

If Wikipedia is created by consensus, then you can't do Wikipedia wrong, just non-conformist :p Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Obligatory link to: Yes. We are biased.. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I am aware, but how do i succinctly make the case that content that is from a credible source, meets notability requirements and should get more coverage in the article, is not political/neutral/fair/not a soapbox/etc? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, you could make the best case in the world, but find out that others interpret Wikipedia's policies/guidelines/etc. differently, and that consensus is against you. In that case, walk away. It's hard and frustrating sometimes, yes. That's one reason why Wikipedia isn't a good environment for everyone. It may just be that editing here isn't a good fit for you as a hobby. Or maybe you just need to take a break for awhile. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, it makes me want to write WP:IDEOLOGY or Wikipedia:Wikipedianism, which is an overview of it's set of beliefs, how they are regulated, theory and influences, but mostly clearing up the idea that WP does not have an ideology or POV itself. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, as far as I know, @Bart Terpstra, you're perfectly free to create an WP:ESSAY. Heck, I just linked to a user space essay a few posts ago - a very popular one, yes, but only a user space essay in the end. You can go and create one too. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

But it's not an essay, it's a notable topic of interest that exists in the world and wikipedia would benefit from it's inclusion :p Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, citation needed.

199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

mgr joke goes here cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

What is an mgr joke? Do I have to call the manager? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

"MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP" cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

MGR, meaning "Metal Gear Rising", which has seen a resurgence in its popularity, mostly because kojimas writing is felt as relevant and relatable longer explanation. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah ha. I never got into the Metal Gear franchise. [files away yet another meme for future reference] 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

this is a question i actually asked myself a few [insert time unit here]s ago, and the answer i got ended up being "this isn't really worth overthinking tbh"

wikipedia says what reliable sources say, so it's as neutral as the sources themselves are cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 18:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an ideology, but that isn't socialism, liberalism, conservatism, or communism, but it is generally kowtowing to the mainstream academic views. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I mean, it has to be closest to a centrist flavour of Liberalism, if we were going to create a political Taxonomy.

Wikipedia shares most of it's values, but notably skeptical of democracy and copyright. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you name a single paradigm that does not have an associated ideology? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There is a common belief that what is normal is not political, only what disagrees with normal is political.

yet, normal is not a natural or objective state of affairs and is better characterized as the prevailing political reality, rather than an apolitical reality, which does not really exist the same way an objective reality does not exist.

I do not consider Wikipedia running on an ideology an issue at all, but I do consider an appeal to normalcy or apoliticism a terrible argument when the subject itself is political, such arguments should be made through the lense of Wikipedia's Ideology instead.

It sneaks in through people's understanding of notability and neutral point of view, which generally seems to rate the status quo as more notable and neutral than alternatives or criticisms of the status quo, the editors theory of history and what it says is "realistic". An example of this would be "how notable are historic women". Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

i just realized something

did this devolve into a string of "yet you live in a society"? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it's de-or-e-volved into discussions of the philosophical underpinnings of Wikipedia. There's probably a place to have such discussions - it's not the Teahouse, though. Maybe WP:VPM? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

That is part of the arguments against Wikipedia having an ideology: that Wikipedia does not advocate a position and it's existence is apolitical through proper execution of WP:NPOV and WP:NOT. Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, are you looking to change policy? For action against individual editors? Or just discussion? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

for the former two cases, the teahouse is a terrible bad not even good place to start the thing

for the latter, wikipedia is a terrible bad not even good place to do it in general

but this conversation quit taking itself seriously ages ago, so i don't think it matters cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'd prefer that this discussion reach some sort of conclusion, and not grow into a horrible, unending monster that takes over the Teahouse forever.

199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

i hear admins have the mystical power to close conversations

maybe we could pray for their blessing? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

But if we don't arrive at a satisfactory resolution, how will we find closure, admin or otherwise? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we could all just go get drinks. Anyone know an appropriate place for that? Some kind of... drink room? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

understanding of Wikipedia as a new editor and how to counter arguments that rely on Wikipedia being a neutral, objective, apolitical institution as an argument to deny additions to wikipedia that would otherwise comply with all the rules.

a proposal might be a page that explains this, but that is for elsewhere. Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, see WP:Dispute resolution. Pursue the various steps described. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

that is conduct, not what is the best way to phrase it/argue it. Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, that's more or less something you have to work out for yourself, I think. This isn't really a place to workshop replies in content disputes. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How to make a correction to an article from a non-editor?

I contribute to Wikipedia financially, but I do not have the wherewithal to make corrections to articles. In the recent past, I somehow requested a simple correction be made to an article by a regular (volunteer) editor and someone was kind enough to do it. I hope I can do that again. The mistake is very easily confirmed from another article on Wikipedia and is not controversial even though the article with the mistake is political in nature. I am sure that the mistake was not originally a mistake because the map has been redrawn since the article was first published. Article to be corrected: Arizona's 6th congressional district Mistake: "Several mountain ranges run through the district with the highest peak in the Chiricahua Mountains at 9,796 feet" Correction found on Wikipedia article: Mount Graham The correction should say: "Several mountain ranges run through the district with the highest peak in the Pinaleño Mountains at 10,724 feet (3,269 m)" 174.18.39.110 (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Someone may come along to make the change for you, but for future reference, you can go to the talk page of any article - in this case, Talk:Arizona's 6th congressional district - and make a post explaining the correction to be made, which someone else might then act upon. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. Tacking on to the answer of the IP editor who answered you, you're more likely to get an interested editor's attention on that talk page if you formulate an edit request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

PetScan

I am getting incorrect results when I run PetScan. Adding a screenshot here to see if there is something I am typing wrong. Obviously the states and pages are not in a subcategory of Montana. I have had this problem on multiple searches on multiple days, so this isn't an isolated instance. Thanks! Tbennert (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tbennert. "Depth 10" means 10 levels deep of subcategories. A lot can happen there, e.g. Category:Montana, Category:History of Montana, Category:Pre-statehood history of Montana, Category:Washington Territory, Category:Establishments in Washington Territory by year, Category:1854 establishments in Washington Territory, Bellingham, Washington. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! 10 is the default on the example page I use so I've never changed it. Didn't realize how much was in the subcategories.--Tbennert (talk) 23:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tbennert. A bit of a segue perhaps, but when you create a screenshot of a Wikipedia page, it's not really you're own work that you can claim copyright ownership over per se; it's more of a case of c:COM:2D copying and c:COM:SCREENSHOT. Generally, in such cases, it's better to use a license like c:Template:Wikipedia-screenshot than a regular Creative Commons license because it takes care of all the necessary attribution required by Wikipedia's licensing without asserting you have any copyright ownership over the content of the screenshot. The template's documentation page explain the kind of information needed to use it properly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I don't think I've ever inserted a screenshot before and just used the form that popped up. I'll pay more attention in the future. Thanks for pointing it out!--Tbennert (talk) 23:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Global and local accounts and blocks

Hello, I have been recently unblocked on en.wikipedia.org via admin consensus by 331dot, Deepfriedokra and Valereee here. While I was blocked, I accidentally created a local account on ru.wikipedia.org. This happened when I was logged into my global account on Freerow2 and I visited a page on ru.wikipedia.org. I had no idea that this was going to create a local account, nor did I know that there were such things as local accounts tied to a global account. I had no intention of creating a local account there, nor did I make any edits there. When I was asking questions in IRC, Operator873 pointed out that I was also blocked there via providing this link. That's when I learned about the existence of that local account and the block there.

I would like to get unblocked from that local account, and also would like to delete that local account if possible. How would I go about doing this and where should I turn to?

I am also curious whether that block was valid. I made no edits there and didn't even know that a local account was made. The block reason says "cross-wiki abuse", but I don't see any abuse.

Also I'm wondering what is meant by "account creation disabled" when one is blocked. Does this mean global account creation or local account creation?

Thanks. Freerow2 (talk) 23:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Freerow2: Accounts cannot be deleted. If you are blocked on ru Wikipedia, you will need to appeal the block there, admins here cannot help with that. But, if you are not planning to use the ru account, just leave it be since the block won't matter. RudolfRed (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Confused and dazed

I am curious about this. We have WP:CRYSTALBALL, however to me it seems to conflict with the following:

Future dates in |date= in CS1|2 citations are limited to current year + 1; that is, for 2023, citation dates in 2024 are acceptable but citation dates in 2025 and beyond are not.

This was taken directly from category:CS1 errors: dates.

If we cannot predict the future and even have a policy about not using it, then how can we possibly cite something that is not yet published a year out?

Thanks 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:B8AD:279A:C136:BF69 (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I assume this is to allow for publications like magazines that may be dated in advance of when it actually becomes available. For example, the January 2024 issue may become available in December 2023. RudolfRed (talk) 01:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Compare to The "access_date" param in the citations is for the actual date that it was accessed, so it is limited to today + one day to account for time zones. RudolfRed (talk) 01:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Relatively common in academic books, too. -- asilvering (talk) 02:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Citation amd references

Dear all, I made an article and was declined due to sources in references. How can I make it reliable in matter of citation and reference? TronPuzzle (talk) 03:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Pol Corpas Cuatrecasas is the draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources is a long, but detailed guide on determining whether a source is reliable. I recommend you at least have a skim over it. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 05:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@TronPuzzle: I've just answered this question at the AfC Help Desk (and noticed that you've also asked it on your own talk page). Please don't ask the same question everywhere, it just wastes volunteer time. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help on publishing an article

Hello, so I am writing an article on an energy drink, however I have received a notification of claiming if it is a paid contribution as it is against guidelines. How do I go about it as it is not paid? Wikiwriter-12023 (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikiwriter-12023 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are not a paid editor, simply respond to the message you were given on your user talk page that you are not a paid editor. Note that "paid editor" is not limited to specific payment for edits; any paid relationship, like employment, triggers the disclosure requirement. Do you have any relationship with this drink?

Your draft was deleted as blatant promotion. Any article about it should not talk up the drink in a promotional manner, it should matter of factly summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the drink, showing how it is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Wikimedia commons

What would be the most appropriate way to source photo of a well known celebrity without infringing wikipedia rules Plkmehta (talk) 09:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The easiest way is to take the image yourself. Commons only hosts "free" images, those with a license that permits reuse for any purpose with attribution. Random images on the internet are almost never acceptable. Do you have an association with this celebrity? 331dot (talk) 10:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:UPIMAGE. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I appeal a mod undoing my edit?

I added several new entries to the following page:

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump

My additions were accurate with citations.

A mod replied they had 'undone' them because 'they did not appear constructive', however the information I added was consistent with the rest of the information on the page, so this appears to be totally arbitrary.

I replied to the mod notice, and there has been no response.

User talk:2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5

This was my first contribution to Wikipedia, and it was immediately deleted without cause, as far as i can tell, based on the whim of a single person. 2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5 (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Without looking at your edit, I will say that is normal process for Wikipedia. It is called WP:BRD, for Bold, Revert, Discuss. You added something to an article, another editor did not agree with it and reverted. The next step is to discuss it with the other editor at the article's page. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed made a (rare) typo there. For "the article's page", read "the article's talk page"; in this instance, Talk:List of nicknames used by Donald Trump. -- Hoary (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at your edit, I can see that the citation you provided was to Trump's Twitter feed (i.e. a primary source), whereas other citations are to secondary sources. Heading off to the article talk page, then to the archives thereof, I could find this discussion that established that only nicknames "picked up" by secondary sources should be used (else the list would become unduly long).

Now, as new editor, you are not expected to find this out by yourself, and the editor who reverted you would have done well to link to that discussion. That being said, the principle that one person edits, another reverts, both discuss is rather standard. You should not take it personally if your edits are reverted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you for your reasonable explanation, i will remedy this by re-adding with secondary sources, however he also removed 'meatball ron' for ron desantis which is based on secondary sources, with the new york times being the first to break it. 2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5 (talk) 09:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Make sure to read the first post in the discussion I linked to. The criteria are at least one secondary source describing it as a nickname, used by Trump at least twice, and lasting coverage. (Maybe "Meatball Ron" qualifies, I haven’t checked. The least I touch this kind of articles, the better I feel - but by the same token I am happy that others take on the dirty work of maintaining them.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

2603:8001... Just to clear up one misunderstanding. Wikipedia does not have moderators. All editors have equal standing and the one who reverted you is as entitled to do so as anyone else. We do have administrators who, by consensus, have been given access to certain tools to allow them to, for example, block those who have abused the policies but these individuals have no powers to insist on a particular version of an article being used: see WP:OWN. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Give suggestions/please review

Can someone review or give suggestions on my two arrticles?

1. Draft:Jathera (Shrine)

2. Draft:Bhai Satta ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ Hello and welcome. You have submitted your drafts for review, as it says at the top of your draft, there are thousands of drafts awaiting review by a limited number of volunteers. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼: for 1, the lead should state that this is an Indian thing. For 2, the lead should state that he is Indian, and make clear what is meant by "/Doom". Maproom (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

"Murder of Tony Stanlake" article?

This was quite a well documented murder in Wellington, New Zealand. I'm wondering why it doesn't have it's own wiki page NOR even a single mention anywhere on relevant pages on Wikipedia. I have no idea how to get started adding an entire page but I think it deserves one. Pamelahoward (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Pamelahoward, welcome to the Teahouse. There are two reasons why it might not have a page, or even a mention. The first is that no one has bothered to add one. Wikipedia is built by folks like you and me taking enough interest in something to write about it; possibly that just hasn't happened yet. The other possibility is that someone has tried to write about it, but wasn't able to find enough significant coverage about the case which had been published in independent, reliable, secondary sources (see WP:42). If you think that such coverage exists, and you can get your hands on it, then the best way to get information onto Wikipedia is to carefully read Help:Your first article and follow the instructions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

help?

can you guys help me review a draft post? Dr.Rodriguez777 (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you asking about your recently deleted creation, Dr.Rodriguez777? It didn't cite any sources, and therefore gave the reader no reason to believe anything that it said. -- Hoary (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dr.Rodriguez777, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't seem to find a draft article created by you. However, I did manage to find a Speedy deletion request on your user talk page. It looks like your sandbox had an article draft on it that was deleted for containing too much self-promotion. Whilst I can't access your sandbox, I can presume that this was the "draft post" you are referring to. Wikipedia is not the place for unambiguous advertising or promotion. Check the links for more information. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Dr.Rodriguez777, I am an administrator and have the ability to read deleted content. Your sandbox draft was unreferenced and overtly promotional. Please be aware that self-promotion is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Unconstructive?

Is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1156869775 actually unconstructive per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1156905147? Ivyaweoff (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ivyaweoff, and welcome to the Teahouse. As per WP:YT and WP:RSPYT, YouTube should generally be avoided as a source of information. If you wish to include your new information, consider finding an alternative, reliable source which supports it. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ivyaweoff, if someone reverts an edit you made, you should attempt to discuss things with them directly, either by posting on the article's talk page and pinging them to the discussion (the best option) or posting on their talk page. Adding such a laudatory sentence to the lead, sourced only to an interview, is very likely to be contentious. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, Ivyaweoff, as the IP user says, no Wikipedia article should ever describe anybody or anything in language like "very beloved" in Wikipedia's voice. It may be acceptable to quote a source that describes somebody in that way, as long as the source is both reliable and wholly independent of the subject. But in that case it should be made very clear that Wikipedia is quoting a named person, not expressing a judgment directly. ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

i am new, and cannot figure out how to cite

i have a sandboxed article at User:Natelabs/sandbox and i cannot figure out how to get the citations to work

i copied all the text from de:Logisim and started translating, but I cant get the citation to cite

this feels like it should be super simple, but i cant get the hang of it

Natelabs (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Natelabs, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have a look at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for a detailed explanation on how to cite sources. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: You might also be interested in the video at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Natelabs, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the problems with your draft are more fundamental than that.

The first (which is easily corrected) is that you have broken the terms of the CC-BY-SA licence, by copying text without attributing it. Please see Translation for details.

The more serious one is that, as far as I can see, not one of the sources you cite is all three of reliably pubished, independent of Logisim, and containing significant coverage of it. Without several such sources, you will not be able to establish that the software meets English Wikipedia's requirements for notability. Notability is a fundamental minimum requirement for the subjects of new articles, and the fact that another Wikipedia has an article on it is irrelevant. (I believe that de-wiki has similar requirements to en-wiki, so my guess is that de:Logisim is like the many thousands of articles in the English Wikipedia that were written long ago before we got so careful, and would not be accepted today). ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcoming me on Wikipedia

Hello guys, my name is EnjoyBrowser557 and I joined Wikipedia in order to add information and change content in articles and sometimes respond to discussions and talk pages. Furthermore, I am still learning about the core principles that Wikipedia provided on my homepage. Would you not forget on recent technology in Wiki software? Plus, would you like to give me barnstars or thanks to me for my intelligent work? Just to know that I am new to Wikipedia, so I am still experimenting on wikicoding and understanding on how to use userboxes for my talk page. So, when I am promoted to autoconfirmed user, I will have a chance to create articles and edit semi-protected pages. When it comes to images and photos, I learned how to use a it in proper way and change the sizes and columns of the image. My only languages I speak is English, so in meantime, I would have the ability to write paragraphs and uses sources when editing articles. That would include any field of topic, I would be interested in.

So in conclusion, do you have any advice or further information that you can present to me, so I will improve my knowledge in upcoming days? How would you guide me around Wikipedia and its talk page discussion? Anyways, kudos to those who make replies to me. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 04:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@enjoybrowser557: you're a bit self-centered, aren't you? anyway, we have an introduction to wikipedia editing here. lettherebedarklight 晚安 04:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am a bit self-centered? Oh wow. At the definitely least, you gave me the introduction to the Wikipedia editing. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 05:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Not at all! I'm sure we're all honored and humbled that you've given us permission to give you a Barnstar. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK Alright? Yes, I update articles, however, not in all of the mainspace. You guys are all free to award me a barnstar, and suggest me articles on my talk pages, so I have the ability to make edits on them. That would include sandbox or anything possible. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557 I've placed a few useful links on your Talk Page: the problem with replying here at the Teahouse is that comments rapidly get archived and can be difficult to find later. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight @Michael D. Turnbull Alright, well thank you guys for informing about the introduction about the Wikipedia and sending me those links related to building an encyclopedia. By then, I definitely wish that I will comprehend more about the Wikipedia and its guide to improved contributions. So, have a great day! /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 22:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

By then, I will become a autoconfirmed user and I have the potential to be skilled in developing articles that do not have one yet and addition of detail information for any reader to learn more about the topics covered. That is my own start to journey to Wikipedia adventure and its facts and statistics. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 21:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Queries About Maintainence Template Removal

Hello, admins I recently edited the wikipedia page of a university->Guru Ghasidas Vishwavidyalaya and removed the maintainence template, but an administrator reverted 2 of the templates and according to the administrator, further review of the page is required before removing the template. So I request you to further review the page and suggest ways to improve it and remove the templates. For further idea about the discussion between me and the administrator, please refer my talk page kindly, talk

Surojit mondal memes^{talk • contribs} 17:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Surojit mondal memes The editor, Dl2000, who reverted your removal of the template is not an administrator but is an experienced editor. The correct place to discuss improvements to the article and gain consensus as to which maintenance templates are appropriate is on the article's Talk Page, so other editors who have it on their watchlist can contribute to the discussion. Incidentally, the folk who answer queries here at the Teahouse are also not necessarily admins (I am not). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you sir for your guidance. Surojit mondal memes^{talk • contribs} 17:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Surojit mondal memes, welcome to the Teahouse. Dl2000 is not an administrator (and they never claimed to be one) - they are simply a very experienced editor. Discussion about improvements to an article should take place on the article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Guru Ghasidas Vishwavidyalaya. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance. Surojit mondal memes^{talk • contribs} 17:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit Total assets

I think this section is a mistake. I am new here. Can anyone check and change

Total assets of Takeda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeda_Pharmaceutical_Company

Current: ¥4,106,463 billion (FY 2018) - or about US 4,100 b Note: The company of largest asset is AT&T with asset USD $551,669,000,000(US 551 b). Takeda can not have 7.5 times of asset of AT&T.

Correct: ¥4,106,463 "million" ?

Total equity ¥1,997,424 billion (FY 2018) should have been ¥1,997,424 million ?

Thanks

Kenn Kennlin (talk) 17:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Kennlin, welcome to the Teahouse. You can raise the issue at Talk:Takeda Pharmaceutical Company, but a simpler solution might be to check what the source attached to the value says, and edit accordingly. One immediate problem I notice is that the source claims to be for 2018, but was apparently published in 2013. Perhaps a better source is needed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How to create a custom signature?

I have preferences at the settings and I utilize the wiki makeup. I did some minor changes for my own signature. However for color, it is completely unique. For my own, can you please explain how to create a custom signature with bolding and adding colors to it? And I wanted my signature to be unique like other users who did it, is there a coding to make the signature work in a unusual way? And how to customize it with different fonts, similar to other user's signatures? /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 21:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

EnjoyBrowser557 this is usually done with <span></span> tags. For example, <span style="color: red; font: 10px Arial;">test</span> would turn into test. This W3Schools CSS reference may help. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There you go, I now have my own custom signature. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributiuons) 22:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You may want to spell check your signature as you misspelled "contributions." Esolo5002 (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

that's been bugging me for a while now too cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esolo5002 @Cog-san Well, I actually fixed that typo in my custom signature. I might need to try further changes if I have access to fonts and images. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 15:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

haha yes cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 15:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san Thank you for notifying the typo on my custom signature and the error you found. I will improve my detection when it comes to changing signatures or other things. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Citations from Ancestry.com

Is there a correct method for citing from Ancestry.com? Do I simply use the URL that I get via access from the Wikimedia Foundation, or is there a stable URL that has to be used? If so, where do I find it? Thank you kindly. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24 Hello. According to WP:ANCESTRY, you should be very careful in using it as a source. Secondary sources are preferable. 331dot (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know that, which is why I wasn't asking about that. I already have plenty of reliable secondary sources prepared for the subject I'm writing about. My usage of these primary sources from Ancestry.com is merely to establish date of birth and national origin of the subject's parents, which are covered by points 1 and 3 of WP:PRIMARY. Please, if somebody could answer my actual question, I'd appreciate it very much. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, just trying to help as I don't know what you know. 331dot (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

It's OK. I'm very sorry for my grouchy reply. I know you were trying to help and I appreciate that. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you post the URL? I don't know the answer to your question offhand but I could at least see if the URL works for someone without a login / with a different login. -- asilvering (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Take care with using primary sources in biographies. "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses." (bold mine). Generally, we require secondary sources for such information, NOT primary documents such as birth records or census records. --Jayron 32 17:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Oxford Metrics article for review

Hi, I recently submitted an article for review regarding the smart sensing company Oxford Metrics. Unfortunately, the article Draft:Oxford Metrics was rejected for not matching NPOV criteria. I’d be very appreciative to hear more from the community about how I can improve the article and would love to hear any guidance on edits I can make ahead of resubmitting. Looking forward to working further on this. Thanks in advance. EWix76 (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@EWix76: Just glancing it over, the lead section doesn't comply with WP:LEAD. And it has too many unnecessary details in the company history; details that may be relevant to company insiders but not a general audience of readers. Also, Wikipedia doesn't use title case in headings. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@EWix76: Also note that your draft was Declined, which means it can be cleaned up for resubmission. If the draft had been Rejected, then the subject would be deemed not WP:NOTABLE and no amount of editing will save it. See this page for a more detailed explanation. Madam Fatal (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

What section should I add this in (if at all)?

I want to add something to the article for Pontiac, MI about how the song Rotary Park by Joe Hawley references it, as he and Zubin were mugged there. I think it should go in §Culture, but I'm not sure if this is the right section to put this information in.

I'm not even sure if this is notable enough to be included here. What are your opinions? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 16:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you ask at the article's talk page, Talk:Pontiac, Michigan, and provide more details and a published reliable source. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: The last time the talk page was used was 5 year ago by a bot, and I can't find a reliable source for my claim. I know that there was something about this event on the now-defunct Pledge Music, but I can't find it on the Internet Archive.

I am also not sure if it would be libel to make that claim unsourced.

Also one of my questions was not answered: Which section would fit this information best (if it was even allowed on here)?

Thank you, and please excuse me for being so inexperienced. --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka, if you can't find a reliable source which discusses the song's significance in relation to the city, it's probably not notable enough to include (a read of WP:POPCULTURE might explain why). "Culture" would probably be the best to include such information if it could be sourced (see here, for example). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Just because a talk page hasn't been used recently doesn't mean it shouldn't be used now. Maybe the song would belong in a new "In popular culture" section. However, if you can't find a reliable source, and the song and singer don't have their own articles, then it may not be notable enough for inclusion. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

My 2¢: it would be more appropriate to mention this in an article about the song or the writer/performer (if we had one), with a link in that mention to the Pontiac article. I notice however we don't have either, the nearest being the article on his band Tally Hall, which doesn't mention the song (as neither does their separate discography article) because as you will know the song is on his solo album.

If neither have (yet) achieved sufficient notability to have their own article, I think this fact about the song is too trivial to mention in the article about a place connected with the song's composition. Since we do have articles on two other members of the band, perhaps the better course would be to first see if one on Hawley will fly. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

the most important question of all time, plus one about italian wp i guess

the biggest question that has never been asked.......... has mike ever actually bulled a turn?

and on a less important note, are different language versions of wikipedia supposed to automatically log you in? because for some reason, looking at the italian article on salvatore ruocco was enough for it to create an account, log me in, and for someone to send me a welcome message cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes indeed, @Cog-san. That is a feature, not a bug (tends to catch some folks by surprise, though). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

yeah, should have seen that coming

shoutouts to that article using imdb as a source and only getting a "that looks kinda sussy tbh" note there, with that same source being treated like a war crime here cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe IMDb is more reliable in Italian. But I doubt it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cogsan. English Wikipedia didn't use to be so careful about sourcing, particularly in the early days, when getting coverage was the goal; but it has got stricter over the years. (That's why there are so many thousands of seriously dodgy articles here, and why we don't accept OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as a justification for more of the same). I suspect that many other Wikipedia's haven't so far followed that progression. ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Company page - paid contribution

I am creating a page for a company, and I want to provide the correct code to let the community know this. I have started a Draft because I want to work on it over time and have it reviewed before publishing. I've made sure the page is neutral, nothing marketing or salesy and just facts with citations.

I inserted the source code that lists who my employer is and who our client is, but the editor told me it was the incorrect code. It told me to insert a different code that just says paid contributor. When I inserted that code, the editor told me it could only be used on Talk pages.

What am I doing wrong? Thanks so much in advance for any help. Mlennon1 (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mlennon1, welcome to the Teahouse. There are no edits to any draft from this account - can you give us a link, or at least its name? A paid editing disclosure normally goes on your user page, User:Mlennon1, in one of the forms at Template:Paid#Usage ({{paid|employer=ACME}} for example). There's a different template for talk pages, {{connected contributor (paid)}}. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Mlennon1 I would suggest that you think of it as an article about your company, instead of a "page for" it. This may put you in a better mindset. A Wikipedia article about a company should not just give facts, it should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself and what it does, only in what sources wholly unconnected with the company choose on their own to say about the significance/influence/importance of the company as they see it. 331dot (talk) 18:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! This makes sense. Mlennon1 (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! This makes sense. So now that I have added the disclosure to my user page, do I need to do anything when I create an article/page for a company, or will it automatically show up? I haven't published the draft yet which is probably why you don't see it. Mlennon1 (talk) 19:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for being so upfront about all this, @Mlennon1! When you create the draft, either you or someone else will need to place the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template on its talk page, it will not show up automatically. It's not hard to do, though (someone here at the Teahouse could do it for you if you're stuck). When you've created the draft, I recommend coming back here to ask for a quick look-over, and perhaps for an AfC submission template if you haven't placed one already. Beware - many paid editors get their first efforts quickly deleted for being overly promotional! Don't take that personally if it happens. This will be quite a learning process. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Mlennon1 Note that "Publish changes" should be interpreted as "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". I would suggest that you click it so that you don't lose your draft's content. 331dot (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mlennon1 You spoke of writing a "page for" a company. Someone suggested you think of it as an "article about" the company, suggesting that it would put you in a better mindset for writing it. But there's a much more important reason that both you and the company had better not just think of it that way, but realize that it IS that way. Should this company turn out to be sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, and should you succeed in writing this article--entirely based NOT on anything you happen to know about the company--so that it passes muster, then the article will not be owned by the company, nor will it be controlled by the company. Once it's there, in general, anybody can edit the article. If they happen to find something that the company would rather keep out of the article, and that something is relevant and reliably sourced, then they can put it into the article, and there's really nothing you or the company can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes!! Definitely aware of this, but thank you for the reminder :) Mlennon1 (talk) 21:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

This is helpful. I was totally shying away because Publish changes seemed so official. Will do so shortly! Appreciate your response! Mlennon1 (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Great! I published the draft, added the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template on its talk page, and submitted the draft for review. This has been a good learning experience even so far, so thank you again for all of your help! Mlennon1 (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

So your draft does a nice job of documenting the existence of the company, describing its staff and what it does, as well as it routine activities. The trouble is, that's not what Wikipedia is looking for. We are looking for a summary of what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about the company and what makes it important/significant/influential- how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. You mention "Smart Communications has been recognized by Aspire, a global analyst and market research firm, as a leading provider of Customer Communications Management software" but give no indication as to what makes that significant for this company. It isn't a Nobel Peace Prize or Pulitzer Prize. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed up the connected contributor template a bit. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Guides for newbies

Is there any up to date guides so I can learn more about Wikipedia and it’s many complexities?

Thanks in advance! Wikihelper59 (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wikihelper59, welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Tutorial is a good place to start. You can check out both the source editing and visual editing versions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wikihelper59 In a moment, I'll add a full set of useful links to your Talk Page in the hope they will help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Wikihelper59 (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft

Hello I cannot find where my draft was placed Conceptcontext (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Conceptcontext, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean Draft:Choi Seung-hee? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Found it thank you! any idea where I should move it next ? Conceptcontext (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Conceptcontext, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't get it: a version of the text is already at Choi Seung-hee. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Conceptcontext, please do not move it anywhere. I assume you've seen the post Liz made on your talk page - if you think your draft is ready, you should remove the dashboard template from the top and submit it to Articles for Creation (WP:AfC). But it seems the article already exists? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

As does much of the wording (exist, that is). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes I am having trouble moving it to articles for creation and yes the page already exists I added missing information Conceptcontext (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Conceptcontext, that is not the way to add missing information to an existing article. You should add the missing information to the article directly, by editing the article itself - or perhaps by making suggestions on the talk page. Also, you must attribute any text you copy within Wikipedia in your edit summaries (WP:Copying within Wikipedia). I will go add an attribution to your draft now. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I was instructed to not edit the article directly. Instead use the sandbox to draft Conceptcontext (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Conceptcontext, I can't speak to what your instructor told you (I see you're a student). If you want to simply suggest changes to the article, without editing it, you should use the talk page: Talk:Choi Seung-hee. If your changes are long or complicated, you can certainly write them out in a sandbox and then link to the sandbox when you post on the talk page. It would be better, though, to propose short, simple changes if you need someone else to implement them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Figured everything out and added contributions to the main page, thank you for the support. Conceptcontext (talk) 21:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Where is Schengen located

Where is Schengen located 182.160.110.130 (talk) 07:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

If only there were something like a free-access encyclopedia that provided such information! -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, wouldn't it be grand! Ariconte (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Try Schengen Area. Ariconte (talk) 07:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Try Schengen (disambiguation). -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, this is not a question for the Teahouse, but for the reference desk. The Tips of Apmh 15:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The Tips of Apmh, it has a superficial resemblance to a question for the reference desk. But since Wikipedia already makes it extraordinarily easy to find the answer, it's not a question that should be asked anywhere. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Im trying to edit pages, but have issues with referencing

Im working on a few pages but have had issues with referencing.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Sunny - I added a reference into the first paragraph [1], but while it gets added in the body, it doesnt appear in the reference list.

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranatunge_Karunananda - I added a reference into the first paragraph 2, but while it gets added in the body, it doesnt appear correctly in the reference list [7].

In both instances I cant use either the visual or source view to place the reference where I want it in the references section.

Would appreciate it if I can get a link to a video so I can follow a tutorial. Thanks. Shehandd (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Shehandd. Thanks for contributing!

Here's a video on how to cite a source using the Visual Editor:

Video on YouTube

To cite an external link in Source mode, used the {{Ref}} template, like this:

<ref>https://www.example.com</ref>

When you publish the change, it will convert to the numbered footnote style.

To link another wikipedia article, do this:

[[Help:Wikitext]]

You almost have it on this edit. The syntax you want is:

<ref name="Spirited">{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEW63GtAVj0 |title=ARUNANANDA - THE MOST SPIRITED LOSER}}</ref>

The only thing missing was the closing braces toward the end }}

/ edg ☺ ☭ 17:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Shehandd The specific problem with the reference in Hassan Sunny is that you added an external link instead of using the template {{cite web}} to turn that link into a proper citation. The general advice on adding references is at H:REFB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it, I think I was able to sort this out. Thanks a lot! Shehandd (talk) 04:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

chess notability

The Tennison Gambit article has the ICBM variation, where black loses a queen. I'm pretty confused whether or not this variation meets notability guidelines or not, because the video about the variation has >3.5m views on youtube. tynjee 04:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@-tynjee Notability is complicated, because even a YouTube video can show more noteworthiness than any standard primary source. In the case of the Tennison Gambit, ICBM probably has weight to be included in that article (also it has 7m views) The Tips of Apmh 04:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Based on the references / further reading, it seems there are at least 3 books written about it. That would pass WP:GNG if I am understanding it correctly. RudolfRed (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

fixing @-tynjee: RudolfRed (talk) 04:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

apparently I misunderstood the question, sorry RudolfRed (talk) 04:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

KARIPAKKAM

ACTULY kARAIPPAKKAM IS THE RIGHT NAME OF THE PLACE.BUT YOUR GOOGLE MAPS WRITTEN WORNG SPELLING(KARIPAKKAM).PLEASE RECTIFY. THANKS. 210.10.7.208 (talk) 06:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. Wikipedia has no control over what Google does. You'll have to go through their channels. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I may need help with my article due to my grammar

Im not a native english speaker and i am not so good at writing articles: i wrote one for a notable actor and alleged voice actor for a game

Alexandra cristina echavarri Lecároz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Cristina_Echavarri

Thoughts? Any advice or help? Thanks! Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ayyyple2, welcome back. Grammar is the least of your worries here, I'm afraid. Your article is about a living person, but it has no inline citations, only a list of external links at the end, and most of those are useless as far as establishing that this person is notable. It's very likely that your article will be moved to draft space because it's not ready to be part of the encyclopedia yet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thats a Shame, if its a living person with a few popular roles... i mean Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 it's all about the sources, especially in a BLP. It would have been better if you'd created a draft to start with, worked on it, then submitted it to AfC. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 I have moved the article back to draft space since it was clearly not in line with WP:BLP guidelines. You can work on it again at Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You should first read the guidance at the BLP link and this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you want to help me on it Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, folk like me who help out by answering questions at the Teahouse rarely want to be involved in drafting articles, as we have our own interests. I occasionally do help, as with Draft:Roger Starr earlier today but that's the exception which I did because it was clear to me Starr was going to be notable but just needed a few more references which I could provide. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what good external references are.. and the images, how do i do that? Ayyyple2 (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you know someone that could help? Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 In Wikipedia, we refer to "good external references" as those that come from reliable sources. Read that linked article carefully and note, for example, that IMDb is not one of them. Once you have found a good source, incorporate it into the article using inline citations. Don't worry about images for the present: your hurdle is to convince experienced editors that Echavarri is notable by Wikipedia's definition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Shes a notable actor but i have no idea what sources to add!! Im thinking of making of Bryan Zampella, another actor... for example what are Good sources. I edit on my phone Ayyyple2 (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, maybe it would help to look at a Good or Featured Article on an actor and see the sources they use - for instance, Florence Pugh. Or you could visit this list of frequently discussed sources and see which are good, which are bad, and the reasons for those determinations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I updated my article, i mean shes a notable actor, i added good sources... but maybe i need help Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, there are still zero inline citations. Have you read WP:BACKWARD, which Mike Turnball linked you to above?

Erase everything. Start over. Gather only your reliable sources. Read them, summarize the information, and place that summary in the draft, with inline citations to the sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Citations? How do i do that? 2001:9E8:4742:E800:6C86:5824:5C34:BC88 (talk) 06:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2: Please see Help:Referencing for beginners, and remember to log in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

That looks hard... im on my phone so its gonna be hard .. i just dont know tbh 2001:9E8:4742:E800:6C86:5824:5C34:BC88 (talk) 07:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

References to Sites with Affiliate Notices

When adding reference links to articles, are websites that have affiliate notices considered reputable? For context, I noticed on the Octane Render page that it has a link to Octane's own website on the Octane-X paragraph, and the link reference is to Octane's website also. This led me to searching for reputable websites that referenced this stuff so I could fix it. Two in particular, (specific links to potential references) Apple Insider and 9to5Mac have disclosures that they earn money for affiliate links. Thanks for any help and clarity. Chadnc (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chadnc, and welcome to the Teahouse. Try WP:AFFILIATE for some information, and read through WP:RS for some general information that may help you. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Why

My changes were undone for not a fair change. I am related to him and I spoke true facts and it was undone. Please fix ProvbalyNotZav (talk) 00:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ProvbalyNotZav: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. In regards to your edit at Zac Morris, you must cite where you're getting your information from from a reliable source. That doesn't even touch on it being language that is unsuitable for an encyclopedia. Your other edit isn't constructive either. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ProvbalyNotZav. You added your opinion about something. You may be right, you may be wrong: it doesn't matter. Your opinion (and my opinion, and any other random person's opinion on the web) do not belong in Wikipedia articles. Articles should summarize what reliablesources say, not what an editor thinks. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is referencing allowed in user subpages?

Is referencing in user subpages allowed? ThatRandomEditor101 (talk) 23:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThatRandomEditor101: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, references are allowed on user subpages. You might want to play around with a new draft or a revision of part of an article on a user subpage and make sure it looks good, and that includes references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a draft, but I have my version of the list of islands by area. Also, thanks. ThatRandomEditor101 (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ThatRandomEditor101, referencing is not only allowed but encouraged on any Wikipedia page where article content is being discussed and debated. High quality references are like gold on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThatRandomEditor101 The only things I can think of that shouldn't be put within user pages are certain categories and nonfree images: assuming that what is there is relevant to developing content for the encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

STANLEY CUP

IN ONE ARTICLE , it is stated that the winner of the Stanley Cup is NHL League Champion I do not think that is so . I say that for 2022-2023 the Boston Bruins are The League Champions of the NHL Joe Byrnes LANNIN 127 (talk) 06:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Stanley Cup Hello, LANNIN 127, and welcome to the Teahouse. On the article, it says that The Stanley Cup is the championship trophy awarded annually to the National Hockey League (NHL) playoff champion. This is true, and per WP:CRYSTALBALL, Wikipedia is not the place for predicting future events or results. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@LANNIN 127: Which article? I don't find it in the search "NHL League Champion". The Boston Bruins won the 2022–23 Presidents' Trophy which is not the same as the Stanley Cup decided in June. Presidents' Trophy#History says:

The Trophy was introduced at the start of the 1985–86 NHL season by the League's Board of Governors. Prior to this, the best team in the League during the regular season was allowed to hang a banner reading "NHL League Champions."

The term appears to be unused today. Are you sure the article said "NHL League Champions" and not "NHL Champions"? The latter means the winner of the Stanley Cup. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ben

I need someone to add the term on the meaning for the 2023 hip term that's being used a lot with the name Ben being used to refer to a furry like double meanings kind of like Karen how that has became what it was it's currently only being used in most of Australia like most of it but it's also now being used all over some big city's in America and the UK to refer to a furry BananaSmugglingBandit (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Have you got any reliable sources WP:RS at all? - Roxy the dog 15:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BananaSmugglingBandit, welcome to the Teahouse. As mentioned above, Wikipedia is not a collection of reports on everything that is happening in the world - it is an encyclopedia that summarizes what has been reported in reliable sources. Have any major newspapers, for instance, mentioned this new term? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary and the page you have linked to is for people, whose name is Ben, with Wikipedia articles, i.e. not the use you are trying to add. If you think the word should be included in the page Ben (disambiguation), you would need to write an article, and have it accepted first. As explained at WP:NEO, Wikipedia is cautious about such articles as such "articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term" - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@BananaSmugglingBandit On the other hand, there is Wiktionary which is a dictionary. Maybe its entry for furry will give you an idea how to add to its entry for Ben: but you will still need valid sources. Ben is already American slang. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Why does my article look like an advertisement

Hello, I'm a first time writer so I'm finding it difficult understanding some of the rules. I started an article for a non-profit organisation that I have no affiliation with. The reason I started the article is because I was reading about Women who code and saw that an organisation like that is present in Nigeria. However, the article's draft keeps getting declined because of a COI. Would anyone be so kind to tell me what needs changing or removing? I have read the notability, advertisement and COI articles. Draft:She Code Africa.

I really need help, I'll be super grateful if anyone can please point me to what I'm doing wrong. Hannydevelop (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

You've asked for help in several locations, please use only one way of asking for help at a time. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop One of the problems is that you have parts like the paragraph that starts "They have the School of engineering....." which are the sorts of thing that might be on the organisations website but are less relevant to an encyclopaedia article and do sound like advertising. This is a case where "less may be more". You have some sources that meet the golden rules and perhaps should trim the draft to focus on those, illustrating why the organisation meets the notability guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

See Women's Technology Empowerment Centre as to how it might look, although even that article is far from perfect (actually, no article ever is perfect). Lectonar (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Hannydevelop and welcome to the Teahouse. One of the difficulties, perhaps, in writing a Wikipedia article about a tech subject like this, is that a lot of the coverage comes from tech, business, and entrepreneurial publications, which often talk in a business and promotional language and tone.

It's not a trivial task reflecting what these sources have to say without talking the same business and promotional language. Add to that an editor who is well-versed in writing at a professional level, and add to that suspicions (whether well-founded or unfounded) that there may be undisclosed paid or unpaid editing, and that makes the prospect of having a "reads like an advert" tag attached or it failing review for that reason.

As for fixing these issues, follow Mike Turnbull's useful advice (above). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Esowteric I'll like to know if there's still any tone of promotional content in the article? Also, is it a COI if I applied for the program in 2020 but didn't get in? Hannydevelop (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, Hannydevelop. Others here like Michael D. Turnbull can give you a far better idea than I can about the article's tone as it now stands. As for the UPE that has been removed by an admin ("not UPE"), that has now been taken up instead as a possible COI, perhaps others here could read through the talk page threads and offer guidance or options for dispute resolution. It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about the Spanish Inquisition, which is not what we expect when visiting the Teahouse. Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

There's certainly a COI here, but simply placing {{UserboxCOI|1=She Code Africa}} at User:hannydevelop is all that's needed to resolve the issue. Then submit the article through AfC, and use {{edit request}}s in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I think Theroadislong added that already Hannydevelop (talk) 15:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

There is nothing on your user page. You user page is here: User:Hannydevelop. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I have added that. Is there something else I should add? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, you could add {{connected contributor}} to the talk page of the draft if you like (or I could, or anyone could) if you feel it necessary, but it's not technically required. You've declared as requested, that should be the end of that issue. Unfortunately I'm not at all familiar with WP:NORG so I can't help much when it comes to sorting through the references on your draft. The ORG criteria are tricky. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for you help. I really don't like when people decline drafts with no reason. If you feel it sounds like an advert, you should let the editor know what they're doing wrong so that they don't repeat it Hannydevelop (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, they did give you a reason - it was just a very general one. Reviewers aren't required to give such specific guidance; if they were, fewer people would have the time to be reviewers, the backlog would shoot up and the system would probably break down. The vast majority of us are volunteers with limited free time; generally, the onus is on the person wanting to do something to do the research and educate themselves via links provided. That's one reason why writing articles from scratch is so hard for newcomers. Sometimes even for experienced folks. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

can you take a look and let me know what I'm missing? Most non-profit organisations like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Who_Code and SCA don't have many references available online so its suprising when someone declines them as not notable Hannydevelop (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

inappropriate promotional content in the lede section alone includes “They have a strong focus on expanding their reach” “membership locations across 20+ African countries, She Code Africa is currently the largest women in tech community in Nigeria” “programs encompass a wide range of technical and non-technical fields, including bootcamps in Cloud Engineering, Web development, Product management, Product design, Mobile development, Program management, and more” “has actively built networks and partnerships to train young secondary school girls and women in relevant tech skills.” there is more. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

This is very helpful, I'm working on them now. What do I do if the linked sources are announcement for call of application written by a secondary party? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, the primary problem at this point seems to be your sources, which, as I said, I'm not very competent at evaluating when it comes to organizations. If I were writing the article, I'd find someone who did know sources, give them a short list, and ask if any were any good. If they said "Yes, those three are good", I'd start writing the article based only on those sources. A very short, simple article with lots of inline citations to those good sources, and nothing else. Make it very easy for a reviewer. But that's just how I tend to do things. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong thinks two of the sources are unreliable since thry're blogs. I'm removing them now. He also gave a clear statement of the promotional tones and I'm currently removing them. I don't really know much editors but @Theroadislong is giving helpful tips. I'll ping @Theroadislong when I'm done. He has been extremely helpful. I'm also sorry for disturbing you good people Hannydevelop (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Michael D. Turnbull this was super helpful. I have trimmed down the article's tone and references according to the guide given. Please, if you're a little less busy check it out, all reviews are welcome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:She_Code_Africa Hannydevelop (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop You should also read neutral point of view because the real problem is not really the COI. The whole draft is written in marketing lingo and will never make it to "article" status at this state. The Tips of Apmh 12:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. There is language that I would expect to see in ad copy. In the lede alone there's She Code Africa is closing the gender digital divide in Africa by creating mentorship programs and [i]n 6 years of running, they have actively created networks and partnerships to train young secondary school girls and women with relevant tech skills. In §History, there's

She Code Africa, created an environment that encourages young African women to grow successful tech careers, and ensure they are equally represented across all career roles and levels in technology.

In addition to being unsourced, the use of encourages makes me feel like the organisation is being unambiguously portrayed in a positive light, and there's a neutral point of view that must be maintained on this site. The use of vague verbs like trying and focused on doesn't help either. I personally don't like when etc. is used in prose, as it's a lazy way of saying "I'm not going to mention any more things, so click on the reference to find out more!"

On a side note, please get rid of the comma splices. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm removing these sentences, thank you for your review Hannydevelop (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you've been put through the mill across at your talk page, Hannydevelop. Thank you for your question at the Teahouse, and for your contributions to Wikipedia. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No problem, I'll delete those once I have this sorted out. It seems a lot of people take money to write articles, that's why no one wants to believe when I say I don't have any affiliation with SCA. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong. Hannydevelop (talk) 14:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, it seems you do have some affiliation. This is not really a big deal - you're not going to get blocked, your draft is not going to get deleted. All you need to do is put a small notice on your user page and submit the article through AfC; then, if it's accepted, you can make edit requests on the talk page if significant changes are needed in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

That's why I came to the tea house, will you consider someone who applied to a "school" but didn't get in an affiliation? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, @Hannydevelop. This can all be resolved in ten seconds if you simply place {{UserboxCOI|1=She Code Africa}} on your user page, and continue to go through AfC. You're not going to be arrested or anything. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

The COI is a little more nuanced than that. Perhaps the text parameter could be used to allow Hannydevelop to better express herself? See Template:UserboxCOI#Parameters. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Certainly, but getting the simple declaration out there and done seemed like the first priority (also easiest to do!). Further tweaking can now commence if desired. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Just a note to say that the first rejection (promotional content) has now morphed into a second rejection for lack of notability. FWIW, I've been through the references and wikilinked those web sites or publishers that have Wiki articles, but I haven't looked closely to check the references for in-depth coverage or verifiability. Other sites may be notable. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong has pointed out what needs removing. I'm on it now. Hannydevelop (talk) 16:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is the Wikipedia Tea House associated with the Tea Party politicians?

Is the Wikipedia "Tea House" associated with the Tea Party politicians?

I know that conservative Tea Party politicians are always trying to censor liberal celebrities, so I was wondering if Wikipedia is Tea Party. Tonyterryfacebook (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tonyterryfacebook, welcome to the Teahouse. Teahouses are much older than the Tea Party - but probably not older than tea parties. Wikipedia is run by the nonprofit Wikimedia Foundation, or WP:WMF - follow that link to learn more. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No. The Tips of Apmh 16:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, the usual criticism Wikipedia gets is that we are too liberal and trying to silence conservatives, not the other way round. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Reference Creation Tool

Is there any tool that I can use to automatically fill out references for me? Like I can input the date accessed, book name, author name and then it just outputs a properly formatted Wikipedia reference tag for me? AlphaRex1984 (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @AlphaRex1984, welcome to the Teahouse. The simplest and most widely-available tool is the one attached to the top of the edit window - in source editing mode, it's just labeled Cite, and brings up a drop-down list of templates to be filled out and inserted. Visual editing mode has a similar button. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for showing me this AlphaRex1984 (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@AlphaRex1984: There are various tools of varying fancyness for this, but the format I found to be most efficient when I was writing a lot of pages quickly was to have a simple txt file on my computer with the minimum information that I always want to be in a citation. It has the following templates in plaintext:

JOURNAL: <ref>{{cite journal |first= |last= |title= |journal= |volume= |issue= |pages= |date= |doi=}}</ref>

WEB: <ref>{{cite web |url= |title= |publisher= |date= |access-date=}}</ref>

NEWS: <ref>{{cite news |url= |title= |work= |first= |last= |date= |access-date=}}</ref>

BOOK: <ref>{{cite book |first= |last= |date= |title= |publisher= |page= |isbn=}}</ref>

For me the easiest way to cite a lot of information quickly is to just paste by hand the info into these barebones templates in the old-school editor. Your mileage may vary of course. - Astrophobe (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@AlphaRex1984 Even better is the WP:citation expander, which does all the work for you and is brilliant for journals with a digital object identifier in particular, although it works to a limited extent on webpages and books as well. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the info AlphaRex1984 (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Knoops Chocolate

Hi, I have a question. I recently created a draft and submit at Afc it got accepted and reviewed as well. Knoops Chocolate

My question is my does the talk page is listed on google? Why not the article page? Simonriley1994 (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Simonriley1994: just to be clear, your draft wasn't reviewed at AfC and accepted, it was moved into the main space by a relatively new editor who is not an AfC reviewer. The article has since been patrolled, however, but that was only a few hours ago, which may explain why it doesn't yet show up on Google searches. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is creating templates as registered user posssible?

Hello Wikipedians, I am EnjoyBrowser557. I felt extremely curious of if I have the ability to create Wikipedia templates. I knew that there is a template editor rights that can be applied on some users. Template editor is an user right that have the ability to be only granted by administrators. I actually searched up templates on Wikipedia and in terms of discoveries, I saw many of them, in which are used on articles, userpages, talk pages, Main page, categories, essays, and other policies. Although, many of them exist for a reason and admins are the ones who created it, I wanted to know if I can create any template. So users, here is that question: Is that even possible to create templates as a registered user and autoconfirmed user, or only admins or sysops can create templates? Try to answer that. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 22:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @EnjoyBrowser557 and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that creating templates is possible as a registered user. the template editor right is just to ensure that high-risk, common, and very complex templates (and lua modules) don't get edited by those who aren't skilled enough to understand them. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 23:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, EnjoyBrowser557—welcome to the Teahouse! Last time I checked, every (logged-in) user can create a template. However, note that templates are intended to be employed for specific uses. Help:A quick guide to templates is a good place to get started on learning how templates work. You can create your own personal template in your own userspace, as your own user subpages can be transcluded as normal templates can be. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 23:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@3PPYB6 @Melecie Could you please give me more detail on how to create templates as registered user without causing Lua errors or goofs? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 23:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Any templates that you might break are usually WP:TPROT (template protected). Lua you don't need to worry about yet.

Remember, creating a template does nothing until it is transcluded. For example, User:Sungodtemple/vand/rightgreatwrongs1 I have created but literally never used. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple If you created User:Sungodtemple/vand/rightgreatwrongs1, however you never utilized it, are you going to utilize this template in other talk pages and articles in the near future? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 23:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

EnjoyBrowser557 obviously the template is not meant for use on articles, but I probably won't use it on user talks. It's not like the extra 1 KB is doing anyone harm. Some users have also created non-functional templates, such as User:JPxG/Sig. Just make sure you don't fall under WP:U5. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple However, what does U5 mean to my own? If you define it to me, explain it why? When did this got added? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 00:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

If you only edit in your user subpages, those subpages could be deleted under WP:U5, since Wikipedia is not a free web host. I doubt this would happen to you. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple Why is Wikipedia is not a free web host? I edited articles and I have my userpage containing material related to building an encyclopedia. Furthermore, I have contributed well on Encyclopedia by adding content and citing sources. But is there an explanation of why is this site, not a free web host? Why is this policy exist? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 01:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTWEBHOST means that you can't do something like host a forum on user subpages on Wikipedia, or try to game the system. Again, I doubt you are doing this. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You don't really mingle on here. The Tips of Apmh 01:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, understandable, I am advised that I am forbidden from mingling here and I definitely trying to stay on task on creating an encyclopedia. Thanks for you. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 01:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557 as someone who has made and edited quite a few templates I can say it's quite simple. Just find a purpose you want to make a template for, easiest would be a navbar for beginners, and then find a similar template and copy it's code into your sandbox, and play around with it until you get what you want, then move it to mainspace and link it in articles. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle I finally understand that reply. I will need the basics to create a template in a few months. Netherless, thanks already. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Copying text across articles

Is there anything objectionable about copying large blocks of text from one Wikipedia article to another, as was done in this edit of "History of North Macedonia" (text copied from COVID-19 pandemic in North Macedonia)? Fabrickator (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: At the very least it needs to be properly attributed per WP:COPYWITHIN. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Fabrickator. Copying content from one article to another is just fine, as long as attribution to the source has been given. The edit summary should say something like "copied content from COVID-19 pandemic in North Macedonia". Cullen328 (talk) 07:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Setting aside the issue of properly attributing the copied content, it seems that the timeframe of the Covid-related information has become somewhat ambiguous. The Covid information presented was evidently for the period from February 2020 to July 2020, but it is not apparent to what extent this section is expected to be in chronological order. As written, we can only conclude that after July 2020, Covid just suddenly disappeared in North Macedonia. Fabrikator (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Fabrickator, I did not take a look at the appropriateness of the content, but just the attribution issue. If you can update the content with more recent sources, that would be a great improvement. Cullen328 (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: It seems that you misunderstand, I am not advocating for this edit, I am advocating against it. My feeling is that the involved editor is repeatedly making inappropriate edits. He insists that he has the right to "add information" to articles. His preferred approach to doing this is to copy text blocks from one article to a related article. I have reverted a couple of his edits, but I am looking for other editors to confirm that my objections are valid. He is motivated to make these changes because he believes that editing a lot of articles is the path for him to obtain higher privilege levels. Fabrickator (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

bots to update article sections

Hello. I am a novice editor and have consistently been updating the sex education policies and access section in the Sex education in the United States page. However, policies are always changing and it can be hard to review the source material and constantly update which policies are changing where. Do you think I could employ a bot or other strategies to help me update that section of the page more easily?

Thanks. HEARTBURNPIGEON (talk) 05:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, running a bot on this isn't possible due to the complications that could happen if the part that it updated was changed or deleted, and bots don't usually make prose changes in articles. I also don't know how you would be able to do this and get approval for it. The best way is just to make the changes manually. Thanks, JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@HEARTBURNPIGEON You may find that the template {{As of}} helps in situations like this. Behind the scenes it populates a category page highlighting articles with potentially dated statements, making it easier for human editors to know what might need updating and making it very clear to readers when the article's information was last checked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

You can also consider tagging a section with an appropriate Current Event template, found at WP:CET. I don't think that's appropriate for the entire article, but if there is an actual ongoing event (like a legislative debate or a relevant court case), it can be helpful to tag the affected sections. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you all! I will definitely consider the following next time I edit the page HEARTBURNPIGEON (talk) 18:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Formatting and false and misleading content

1. is there a format program or manual to review as i have a hard time formatting even simple changes.

2. why do you allow clearly political statements especially from subjects of the 1950s and 1960s yet refuse to publish fact ( which is established) later in the 1990s or 2000s with KGB/CIA and other files become open public knowledge? Especially in Africa de colonization and civil wars conflicts 69.157.244.174 (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you give an example of an article which refuse to publish fact (which is established)? ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello. WP:CHEATSHEET may be useful. As for your second question, it is far too vague and sweeping and open ended. Wikipedia editors deal with specific questions about specific articles. If you claim that some editors "refuse to publish fact", then you need to provide convincing evidence in the form of specific articles and talk page discussions. Cullen328 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: IP editor 69.157.244.174 may be referring to this edit of theirs, which was reverted, as part of the claimed refusal to publish fact. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. That particular edit was unreferenced, argumentative, and plagued with typographical errors and excess capitalization. The proper place to discuss the substance is Talk:Guinea. Cullen328 (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Levels of vandalism

If someone does something like blanking pages, can we just skip to a level 4 warning? User101FrOas (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

User101FrOas Hello and welcome. Warnings may be used as is appropriate for the circumstances- you don't need to go through 1, 2, 3, 4, final if the problem is serious. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help User101FrOas (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is archiving a clipping from Newspapers.com overkill?

Typically, I archive these links, but this time around I'm having issues with my usual go-tos for archiving links. As a result, I'm passing on archiving my cited clippings. My assumption is that since they're from Newspapers.com they'll be more or less permanent. Is this a reasonable assumption to make or should I archive these clippings later? Thanks!—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24 The main reason to continue to archive the links is for the convenience of our readers. Newspapers.com is pay-to-view, although they do offer a free trial period. The Wayback Machine is likely to continue to be free, like Wikipedia itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I used to use Wayback Machine, but they're so slow and often times the site makes me wait for long periods before I can archive a link. Which is why I switched to Megalodon a couple of months ago, but lately it's been giving me grief with Newspapers.com links for some reason. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually, there are bots which automatically create the Wayback Machine links, so it should be no big deal to leave it to them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you so much for your reply! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I get started?

I'm a new editor on Wikipedia, and I am familiarized with some Wikipedia essays and advice from other editors. You all are welcome to give me greetings, and plus, my first edit is New Covent Garden Market. I also created my userpage as well as knowing how to use userboxes in a right way. I really wanted to explore around Wikipedia. Also, in addition to this, I am using the guest mode on my own browser. This is my first step to being a Wikipedian. I also plan to find sources on the Internet as time flies by. How do I even get started with Wikipedia and its pages? = ThisImpartialGuest94 (talk). 18:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

It depends on how you want to contribute. I participate a lot in article expansion and creation. I started off expanding the article on the Manuma. One big thing I wish I did was use the VisualEditor as it makes templates and formatting citations much easier. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 19:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mitch199811 Try to give me examples of article expansion and creation, and using VisualEditor. = ThisImpartialGuest94 (talk). 19:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThisImpartialGuest94 Experimenting yourself is the best method. Try starting here and don't rush! Ask another question at the Teahouse if you run into a specific problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Citing Troubles

Hello all, I am currently trying to fix the sources for the hit 2004 stealth video game Metal Gear Solid 3. I would like to fix the issues addressed by this review. I am having trouble finding a better source for citation 37. Do you, the teahouse, believe the parts with that source in it (37-39) should be removed, as it may fall under WP:TOOMUCH. What are your thoughts on this issue? CadNav (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

CadNav If there aren't other sources that talk about her outfit, it's not worth mentioning. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, that featured article review stated that IMDB was used too many times. I want to cite the credits of the game, would I just put a reference of the game, or do I need to actually write what the credits say in the game? CadNav (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How to add a wikilink in an article for itself?

First of all, sorry for the confusing title, I don't know how to phrase this question exactly.

If I were to type [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]] in this page, it would show up as Wikipedia:Teahouse (boldface).

How do I change the default behaviour and make it a regular wikilink if possible? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Try [[#section_that_doesn't_exist|your text here]]. This turns into your text here. Or you could do a redirect, like WP:TH. Why do you ask this question? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: To link Wikipedia talk:Edit Request Wizard on itself. I am currently writing a talk page comment on it to ask somebody to fix a flaw in the wizard if possible, becuase I wanted to make an edit request on a template, but noticed the wizard didn't work. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 22:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah. I might be able to fix that. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Finding the books I created

I have created several books using book creator. Ho do i find my books and reopen them to add more pages Jasbflower (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Jasbflower and welcome to the Teahouse. Are these the books in your list of contributions? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, those are mine. But if I use that path in book creator it doesn’t recognize me as the creator. Jasbflower (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower The book namespace no longer exists. See WP:Books for the background. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

... and if you click on one of your previous contributions, you'll see a message on the top telling you the book rendering service has been withdrawn. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I don’t understand what you’re saying. I don’t know what a name space is. My books are not published or public, they are not an article I intend to publish in Wikipedia. They are books I have built in order to gather a number of articles on a subject I am interested in. Jasbflower (talk) 20:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower Sorry, I looked at User:Jasbflower/Books/Blanchflower's and saw a big warning message at the top, which is what I thought was relevant. Help:Books which you appeared to be using no longer works (see that link). Technically, it used something called a WP:namespace but it doesn't matter that you don't know what that is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I’ve seen that warning over and over. Whatever it is warning of, is not what I am doing. I created several books, when the warning was present, nevertheless, I created all the books. I simply don’t remember how to get back to a book, it entails using a “path” jasbflower/Books/Blanchflower.

can I put a * or some other “word” to see all the books I have created? Jasbflower (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower: The bottom of Special:Contributions/Jasbflower has a "Subpages" link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jasbflower/ which shows the books you have created in your own userspace. You also created some books in the socalled Book namespace which wasn't personal but shared. Those books have been deleted but can be restored to your userspace on request. As an administrator I can see these deleted books: "Being Digitized", "Judasim to Christianity", "Auditing in the Modern Era", "Blanchflowers", and "Philosophy" which you didn't originally create but you overwrote an existing book. There is also indication of books called "Digital Dasein" and "Modern Auditing for Government" but they cannot be restored. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes please restore anything I created to my user space. I did not knowingly overwrite anything but my own creations. The over written books were probably created by me with a different user name, older than jasbflower or perhaps the difference is that the older user name was all lowercase. Jasbflower (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower: I have restored the five books to your userspace. For three of them I added "2" to the title to avoid a name clash with an existing book. In 2016 you overwrote an old book "Philosophy" from 2009, probably by accident after choosing a title which already existed. I have only restored your version. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Template Question

I have just created [template] and am wondering how to add an autocollapse feature to it as you can see on Maynard Alfred it takes up a lot of space. Thanks for your time. Masohpotato (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Masohpotato: It looks like the new template is based on {{Navbox}}. From looking at the instructions there, you should be able to set "state=collapsed" to have it start in the collapsed state. RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

On and Upon

There's a lot of places in the UK which are triple-barrelled with words like on and upon separating the first word (usually the abbreviated word for the village/town/city) from the third word (which are usually seas, canals, rivers, former counties etc).

However recently I've noticed that a lot of the articles for buildings and other areas in those villages/towns/cities which are named after those villages/towns/cities are using the abbreviated names, not only in the article title but also in the opening paragraphs.

For example there's...

Berwick Castle which their owners English Heritage call Berwick-Upon-Tweed Castle And Ramparts.
Berwick Town Hall which I'm currently debating which is the correct name.

Both of which are obviously named after Berwick-upon-Tweed where they're located.

Should they all use the full names if they're clearly named after the triple-barrelled place they're situated?

Should they keep the abbreviated name for the article title, but use the full name for the rest of the article?

Google isn't much help with this type of thing, as they're usually around 50/50 in terms of what is the most common name, plus a lot of the time, websites have got their information from Wikipedia which is incorrect a lot of the time, especially when it comes to things like specific addresses, Danstarr69 (talk) 00:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I think, combining WP:ON WP:COMMONNAME, it would be best to just leave them with their current names, as from what I can tell that is what they are usually called. Thanks, JML1148 (talk | contribs) 01:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

An article about an individual person typically starts with that person's name, complete with all middle names and the like, just once. (Thus the article Bill Clinton starts "William Jefferson Clinton (né Blythe III; born August 19, 1946) is an American politician".) So perhaps articles about places should treat placenames analogously. My guess is that guidance is given within Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), but I can't pretend I've read this. Read it and digest it, and if it fails to explain then ask at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). -- Hoary (talk) 04:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hidden Information

How do I put a "hidden" message in an article like that can only be seen when editing in the source editing mode? I've seen it before but I forgot what action is to be taken to perform something like that. Like "this is here but you can't see it in the main article for example", something that is usually only read when editors are trying to edit the article. Onion1981 (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Onion1981. I don't know whether VisualEditor can make such comments. In the source editor, place it between . See more at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Invisible comments. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter and @Onion1981: Yes, this can also be done (and also seen) in the visual editor. Typing <!-- will automatically bring up the invisible comment prompt, at which point you can type whatever it is into the text field and click Insert when finished. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's easier to remember, you can also use the dropdown marked with "+", there it will bring a list of useful options. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 04:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Outer Manchuria

Hey, I'm not sure where to go with this, but there's a serious issue with Outer Manchuria: that word never referred to the areas ceded by China to Russia until the Wikipedia article was created in 2004! I'm not sure what should be done now, but I see this as citogenesis. Any guidance appreciated! See also: Wiktionary's Outer Manchuria entry. Please ping me here if you have any advice for me. Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Geographyinitiative. Start by describing your concerns at Talk:Outer Manchuria. I agree that the article is poorly referenced, but Manchuria also describes "Outer Manchuria" as territory under Russian control along its easternmost border with China. I have no expertise with the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Can this search function somehow have an exception and be removed?

The search function I am mentioning is that when you type CS:GO into the search bar it sends you to the Czech(?) Wikipedia on the GO disambiguation page. Is there any way there could be made an exception? (on the Bulgarian Wikipedia) Thanks RadoGaming7 (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(for those unaware of what CS:GO is)

Courtesy link: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@RadoGaming7 Typing "CS:GO" into the search bar of vector 22 (the current default skin on English Wikipedia) gives the Counter-Strike article as its first suggestion. If Bulgarian Wikipedia does something different, you'll have to complain there.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: On the other hand, if you press ↵ Enter after typing CS:GO into the search field, it will bring you to the Czech Wikipedia as described. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@RadoGaming7: Exceptions are not possible. cs is the interlanguage prefix for Czech. If you enter or click CS:GO or anything else starting with cs: in any capitalization then you are taken to the Czech Wikipedia. It:Chapter Two goes to "Chapter Two" at the Italian Wikipedia instead of the article It Chapter Two. I once placed an English note linking to the English article. I don't know whether the Czech Wikipedia would allow something similar. Such a note cannot depend on which wiki a user came from. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is an American game with an English title and the English Wikipedia is the largest so if a note is made then it should point to the English Wikipedia and not the Bulgarian. Species:The Awakening. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I was WP:BOLD and added a link to the English page, but it seems that the local concensus is against that. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 08:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Is my Article notable? + Trouble at making the Article itself

Hello, ive written an Article for the Actor Bryan Zampella, which hes also speculated to be the next actor for the next gta game. Ive written everything but i think my grammar is bad. Ive researched so much and it was so hard to do on Mobile. I think i just need help. Anyone want to help/give advice?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Zampella Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ayyyple2, and welcome to the Teahouse. The most important thing you need to do for this article is to include inline references: have a look at WP:Referencing for beginners to find out how to do this. You also don't need the Hacking in the 2020s navigational template, one template is usually enough. I'm reformatting the article slightly to conform with other biographies of living persons, but you will still have to place the references in the article, supporting each statement (WP:BLPRS might help in this instance).

Also remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and that Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors.

Hope that helps! ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ayyyple2, I agree with ContributeToTheWiki. Rumors do not belong in a biography of a living person, so please remove all that speculation. Unless this person has received significant coverage in several reliable, independent sources, he is not notable. Actors who have had only minor roles are rarely notable. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I mean he did not only play minor roles Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 In its current state, the article will not pass the review by the new page patrollers and they will draftify it or possibly reject it altogether. I urge you to move it back to draft space yourself before that happens. You seem to have a huge bunch of unused references at the end, which don't appear to belong in the article at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Article moved to draftspace: Draft:Bryan Zampella ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I did add how it is not confirmed it is him, i really tried my best. There's also : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alexandra_Cristina_Echavarri

But im really bad at this, sorry Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 Looking at your Talk Page, you have a history of creating poor articles in mainspace and having them draftified by others, including myself for Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You appear to have abandoned these drafts but gone on to create other mainspace articles on different topics. This is causing unnecessary work for other editors and you should in future always use the WP:AfC process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I apologise for my behavior mike, i really am trying my best but i write all of this on my phone which can be hard, sure i have time, but im a beginner... i dont even know how to create Drafts, is my article even notable? Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

one of my modt notable articles id Francisco lugo viña molina Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No, Draft:José de Lugo-Viña y Molina has multiple issues. As to "know how to create drafts", why don't you just click on the WP:AfC link I have already supplied and all will be revealed! Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh im not talking about jose, his brother francisco https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francisco_Lugo-Vi%C3%B1a_Molina Ayyyple2 (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Theres also the Soybooru one, i thought this was easy... what do you recommend me doing now? Ayyyple2 (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Draft:Francisco Lugo-Viña Molina is better: you are using the correct AfC process for that and it has already had many helpful edits from others including myself. My suggestion is that you now slow down and return to those drafts which need more work before you start anything new. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.. ill try to citate stuff if possible.. on phone its a bit of a mess Ayyyple2 (talk) 10:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Krishna Singh Thakur

Hello, why my articles was not approved? Itsthakurrr (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

On Draft:Krishna Singh Thakur:

Lack of "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". If you disagree, then please (here, in this message thread) provide links to the best three of the sources.
Junk such as "Krishna Singh Thakur is an emerging artist of the Indian pop music industry. He is an absolute heart throb who is destined to rule this industry in upcoming years."

If he's emerging, it may be better to wait till he has emerged. -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Itsthakurrr I see some similarity in subject surname and your user name. By chance direct or indirect connection with subject Draft:Krishna Singh Thakur then read WP:COI. Also read WP:RS there in WP:SPONSORED mentions "..Sponsored content is generally unacceptable as a source, because it is paid for by advertisers and bypasses the publication's editorial process.." For example this thePrint news (used as source in your draft article) is press release since PR is written with word ANI. (Ref). Bookku (talk) 11:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Note they admitted they are the subject here KylieTastic (talk) 12:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Itsthakurrr You might like to read the recently-created article Mizzy (TikToker) to discover that an article in Wikipedia is not always a good way to gain publicity Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Itsthakurrr. Like many people, you are mistaking Wikipedia for a platform where promotion is appropriate. Wikipedia is something completely different. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear, indeed: Despite his growing fame, Thakur remains grounded and believes in humility. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: OP has been indefinitely blocked for not being here to build an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

How to post information that is confirmable but difficult to source

The location of a radio station's transmitter was given to me by a friend with local knowledge (who asked me to make the update). I was able to confirm it on Google Maps but could not find a static source to use as a reference. The location currently on the web site (that presumably was correct at some point but no longer is) is also unsourced. I tried to update the information but my edit was reverted because it was not referenced. I tried finding the information on the FCC's web site and the radio station's but was not able to.

As noted, the information in the current page is also not referenced. What is the best way to handle this?

In addition, is there a good source for answers to questions like this or generally a guide for people, like me, with experience editing occasionally over the years but not educated about nuances or tools that might make editing easier. Jreiss17 (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jreiss, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the location cannot be sourced by a reliable soruce (which in this case would not need to be indepedent) then it should be removed. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure. This may be a WP:BLUESKY situation that doesn't need sourcing. The coordinate location of a radio station is verifiable by anyone with a smartphone GPS who goes to the station to verify its coordinates. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Probably stupid question. How do you know where to go to do so, if you don't already know the coordinate location of the transmitter? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You call, or go to the radio station's physical office address and ask them where you can have a look at the transmitter, if it's in a different location than the radio station. The verifiability burden isn't much different from going to a library to look up a book. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Oookay. Until I retired I worked for a company who carried out emergency repairs on UK mobile phone antennae (which are often mounted on masts for other things, like radio broadcasting, as well as on their own dedicated masts, or on roofs or walls of large buildings, or inside church steeples, or disguised as trees, etc.). Our company alone averaged around 100 visits a week, and we weren't the only ones in the business. A good few of those repairs were made necessary by vandalism and sabotage – stealing the cables to sell for scrap is an international criminal operation, and you might be surprised at how many people think phone/radio masts are part of a sinister government plot to infect everyone with cancer and/or Covid (yeah, really), and try to set fire to them.

While mast and other cellphone etc. antenna locations are obviously not secret, and of course within the industry we necessarily had all the information (did you know there are/were around 100,000 sites in the UK – the companies are trying to consolidate and share sites, but it's a slow process), if a random member of the public starts asking about transmitter mast locations, eyebrows might be raised and the police might want to take an interest, just in case. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's a problem, then we simply don't include it in the article. The geolocation of the company is more relevant than the location of the transmitter. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Moving my own drafts to userspace

I am slightly stressed about some drafts that I don't intend to work on before the 6-month limit, namely Draft:Gino Menconi and Draft:Villa Triste. I certainly intend to work on them at some point, but they're not a priority. I usually create my drafts in userspace in order to avoid autodeletion. Am I allowed to move those two to User:Festucalex/Draft:Gino Menconi and User:Festucalex/Draft:Villa Triste respectively? To add, I know I shouldn't have created them in the first place. I was a bit of a n00b when I created them back in February. I know better now. 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Festucalex, yes you can move them to your user area, or you can make a trivial edit to reset the 6 month clock - which I just did by fixing the links. I would say it depends on if you would appreciate help from others as when in draft they are more locatable. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
@KylieTastic: Thanks mate! 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating a Carus Chemical Company Wikipedia page

Hello, I need help creating a Wikipedia page for the Carus Chemical Company. Can someone please help write/finish such an article? Thank You Bond000777 (talk) 04:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bond000777: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. I see you've asked this exact same question at a user's talk page and a tangentially related article's talk page, as well as starting a draft on the subject. There might be a WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management where an interested editor might be willing to help out. It would help if you could secure secondary sources that are reliable (preferably three). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here primarily to advise, not to co-author. You've started a draft. Do not proceed unless you think you have at least three references. David notMD (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Article split discussion

Hi, Can someone close these particular discussions:Talk:Bheemili Assembly constituency#Split new article, Talk:Machilipatnam Assembly constituency#Split new article and there are few others as stated here:User:456legend#Constituency splits. I don't know how to close these discussions. 456legend(talk) 13:13, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@456legend: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1189. You're looking for closure requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Thank you for the input but unfortunately I do not understand how to request it close the discussion. I will take some more time to understand it myself. Thank you. 456legend(talk) 15:45, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Help adding copyright tag to photo

Hello! I am new to the editing community and want to to contribute positive edits and updates where it is needed. I recently uploaded a file that is a more-recent image of a public figure and used an image someone photographed. In their Instagram bio, they say that their work can be used as long as credit is given. I am having trouble with finding an appropriate tag for the image, which can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SamiZayn_2022_KimberlassKick.jpg

It is the profile picture for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Zayn

Is there anybody that might be able to clarify or assist with making sure I am respecting the author's work and using this image fairly?

Thank you! Wwe wikihelper (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wwe wikihelper. Simply saying "that their work can be used as long as credit is given" is not adequate. The photographer must release the image rights under an acceptable free license. Please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 18:38, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Takatomi Senge

Is it normal to have subjects covered at Simple Wikipedia but not here? Can someone copy it over with attribution? Start an entry on it? I already have an extensive backlog and none of my AfC drafts are getting reviewed. It's ridiculous we don't have coverage of subjects like these and are blocking their addition. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @FloridaArmy, welcome to the Teahouse. Someone certainly could do that - you might have more slightly more luck asking at a relevant WikiProject, rather than here. There's even Draft:Takatomi Senge. I'm not sure what you mean by "blocking their addition" though, since the title isn't create-protected. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy It seems like you believe that your drafts are more important and should get reviewed first, which is excusable for a newcomer but you have a hundred-thousand edits? The Tips of Apmh 17:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't put words in my mouth User:The Tips of Apmh. I never said that. Clearly the system is broken. Clearly it shouldn't take months for notable subjects to be added. Clearly the response to people pointing out the problem shouldn't be false and aggressive personal attacks. I asked if someone can copy the existing entry over or start and entry for this subject it as I am unable to do it in a timely manner. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

FloridaArmy Are you aware that the AFC process is voluntary?(unless you have some editing restriction or topic ban) If you are confident your drafts would survive an AFD discussion, you can certainly move them to mainspace yourself. There are thousands of drafts awating review and very few reviewers to look at them. The list of needed reviews is not a queue; reviewers pick drafts to review. 331dot (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

331dot, FloridaArmy has an editing restriction requiring the use of AfC and limiting the volume of their submissions. Cullen328 (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that clarification, I suspected that but hadn't checked. FloridaArmy, you are just going to have to be patient until such point when you are able to get your editing restriction lifted. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

FloridaArmy, simple:Takatomi Senge was written by Immanuelle, who may wish to create Senge Takatomi here in en:Wikipedia. (Yes, his surname was Senge, he was Japanese, and he was born before 1868; so MoS prescribes the Japanese name order.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy I'm not territorial with topics. There is a requirement for attribution from simple english wikipedia though, but there's a template for that in talk pages. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

user:Immanuelle I'm not familiar with the policies or the template involved. Would you be willing to copy it over. Of note, there is also Draft:Senge Takatomi if there's anything useful there to use. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy Here's info on the rules of translation Wikipedia:Translation. Simple english isn't really another language but it requires attribution since it is another wikipedia.

You would put this template on the talk page of the article to indicate attribution. Change it depending on the article. Just saying you took it from the simple english wikipedia article (or whatever other wikipedia) in edit history is helpful too, especially if it is unclear which parts are translated and which are original.

In the particular draft of Draft:Senge Takatomi I would be happy for your help in working on it. I haven't been working on it lately. He's a pretty notable figure and it's hard to find english language sources on him. You can read about him more in the articles Sect Shinto and Izumo-taishakyo. I'm quite surprised no movie was made about his life. He was born to an ancient line of priests, had his family shrine confiscated by the government, and his father died when he was relatively young, he was censored in numerous occasions, but managed to be an influential advocate for religious freedom, and all of this happened while Japan was industrializing, and his family shrine was only returned decades after his death in 1945. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

FloridaArmy, your user page points to a long list of drafts. I looked at what appears to be the oldest one, Draft:Richard H. Wells. To be fair, this has not been submitted as a candidate for an article. It consists of two short sentences: "Richard H. Wells was a state legislator in Florida. He represented Leon County, Florida in the Florida House of Representatives from 1868 to 1872." (I don't think that anything would be lost if this were instead simply "Richard H. Wells represented Leon County, Florida in the Florida House of Representatives from 1868 to 1872.") And how did he represent it: lazily, energetically? Any significant achievements? Any praise or criticism from other politicians or the press? The draft tells us nothing whatever. It does come with a reference: "Florida's Black Politicians by Canter Brown Jr. page 148" (no italics). I infer that Wells was Black; he's starting to sound potentially interesting. This book: Its publisher, ISBN? I go to Worldcat. Looking for au:canter brown AND ti:black politicians brings ... zero. I'm glad that this draft hasn't been submitted. Please point me to one that is submitted, and I'll review it within 24 hours. -- Hoary (talk) 12:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Hoary thanks for your response. What does au:... mean? It shows up as a bluelink but clicking on it doesn't seem to work. Googling that yields this so I'm not sure what issue you're raising? Here are my submitted drafts. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

You enter that search string in at WorldCat, not Google. au = author; ti = title. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

FloridaArmy, its history will show that I've just spent some time on Draft:Mayor of Fayetteville, Arkansas. Two of the references were bare urls: I fixed one, now you fix the other. In the citation templates, we provide the name of the website, not its domain name, after website= (thus not website=nytimes.com but instead website=New York Times). I fixed one or two instances of this; now (i) you do the rest, and (ii) I go to bed. If the draft looks pretty good tomorrow morning (my time), I'll happily promote it. -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The page I created was declined.

The page I created was declined. Amr Ali Salem al-Bidh (talk) 21:03, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Amr Ali Salem al-Bidh You edited your user page, which is not article space or space to draft an article. You may create a draft via Articles for creation. Since you seem to be writing about yourself, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Why do obscure topics not mean non-notable, as per guideline?

For point of reason, I searched up through essays about notability and I found this one. Notability depends on relevance, significant coverage, and where it is featured in awards. However, there are some topics, that are not well-known, but stays in that article due to this page. Plus, obscure topics are the least likely to get deleted, and salted. For example, a single page has few edits or interest a limited a number of people, but it met notability guidelines. Therefore, those articles on Wikipedia are accessible by anyone, but lack common interest. I knew that a topic has only interest to a small number of people, but why those obscure topics deserve to stay in Wikipedia, although it does not seem to be notable? Why does obscurity not mean non-notable? Would you love to explain why and elaborate? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 15:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@enjoybrowser557: the only determinant of notability is having independent, reliable sources that document the subject significantly. "obscurity" has no bearing on the notability of an article. lettherebedarklight 晚安 15:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Further explanation: Why does obscurity not have bearing on the non-notability of an article? Wikipedia is accessible to all readers, but why do articles about obscure topics remain in online encyclopedia? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 15:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Because obscurity is irrelevant. As lettherebedarklight said, obscure ≠ non-notable. Notability is the minimum standard for an article. Valereee (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

EnjoyBrowser557 obscurity is a personal judgement, what is obscure to you may be a daily topic for thousands or hundreds of thousands of people. The consensus on Wikipedia has decided that if a topic manages to show notability then it is not obscure. What do you deem not obscure? should a subject be popular and known to the mainstream public - if so that would exclude the majority of articles. KylieTastic (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557 – put it this way—an article's subject may be extremely obscure, but if you dig out your sources throughly, you may find out that yes, the subject is in fact covered in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 16:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@3PPYB6 You got it, next time we should dig in through the sources if we believe that the article based on the topic is obscure. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 18:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Obscurity is irrelevant. Valereee (talk) 19:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee Did not know that obscurity has nothing to do with notability guidelines, so that means that we should let the articles with limited general interest, completely accessible to professionals and future readers. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 22:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Automatically change image

Is there a bot or template that will automatically change an image. For example, currently File:Neusiedler Lake satellite.png is used about 70 times on various articles, most about Lake Neusiedler. I just uploaded a much higher res satellite image of the lake at File:Lake Neusiedl.jpg. Instead of manually going in and changing all 70 images, is there a way I could do that automatically. Thanks PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 16:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Instead of uploading it as an another file, you can update the original file. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 17:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanLibertarian: I think the images are too different to overwrite the original file. They also have different source and license, and it's not possible to overwrite a png with a jpg. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps@PrimeHunter I agree, so is there any way to do it without overwriting the file PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 22:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanLibertarian: I haven't tried it but see commons:Commons:GlobalReplace. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks PalauanLibertarian^🗣️ 22:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way to cite the Ethereum blockchain for historical accuracy of NFTs?

Citations of public blockchains. Snarflakes (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, you can't cite blockchains. You can cite other sources that discuss the blockchain. RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Citing on-chain Ethereum transactions would be an excellent objective historical documentation strategy. To the powers that be here. Snarflakes (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It would seem to me that a blockchain is merely a WP:PRIMARY source, and therefore subject to the same kind of caveats as other primary sources, but by the same token could be used for the same purposes. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Related to what Tigraan says, any particular blockchain is just a data storage system. We may know it's harder to tamper with but that doesn't make it a WP:RELIABLESOURCE using our definitions. If, say, the New York Times, decided to start publishing work on a public blockchain, we could potentially cite and use that as a reliable source, but perhaps more discussion on-wiki would need to take place. But the vast majority of content on any blockchain is WP:PRIMARY and/or WP:SELFPUBLISHED and so is subject to those restrictions. Skynxnex (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarity. Specifically regarding NFT artwork, the date of the transaction of the deploying of the original artwork contract(intention being perhaps setting a timeline of provenance) is immutable because not only is it timestamped, but the unchangeable contract itself carries permanently blockchain coded descriptors of the artwork. Therefore that source can never be reversed on a legacy established chain like Ethereum or Bitcoin which again has never had a historical transaction reversed or changed. Snarflakes (talk) 21:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Whether the data is immutable is not the point. Data published by, for example, the US Census Bureau or the US Patent Office may also be immutable, but it is still considered a primary source that in most cases requires interpretation by secondary sources before it can be used as a reference on Wikipedia. We could theoretically use data in a blockchain to support the fact that that data is indeed in the blockchain, but interpretation of what that implies as far as real world actions by real world people should be left to secondary sources. CodeTalker (talk) 01:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I see, I was in fact wondering which editors would be equipped in wikipedia to actually review the blockchain to confirm the claims made. That job is left to the secondary sources in the current system. Nonetheless, I think a small team of wikipedia editors could actually do that with minimal effort, but that maybe too much responsibility/turst given to those individuals... Snarflakes (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

If what you're actually asking is creating a system where editors on Wikipedia could review primary sources and effectively create a "secondary" source that's suitable for us to cite... I'm not sure that's likely given the past history. And it'd require amending Wikipedia:No original research (which WP:PRIMARY is a part of). Which isn't impossible but seems unlikely. And I think putting it within the context of blockchains is even less likely to work since, as far as I know, the amount of information that's only on a chain that'd be worthwhile to analyze/interpret is fairly small. Is there a particular article you think would be improved by providing a reference to the Ethereum blockchain? Sometimes specifics can be helpful to clarify what you want. Something like the date of a transaction may be okay to cite per #3 in WP:PRIMARY but I'm not having an easy time thinking of when we'd want to discuss such a thing but no secondary sources mention/discuss the date. Skynxnex (talk) 00:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I want this IP address blocked from editting.

This is a shared IP address; and historically we've always been blocked from editting. I recently had a message that someone from this IP address has vandalised a page about gun control. My current IP address needs to be blocked from editting. 131.242.30.40 (talk) 04:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

You can always create an account to avoid this problem. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 04:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Previous blocks appear to have been on the < /19 IP range>, and maybe somewhere else. I do not know if there is a central report somewhere, but perhaps contacting the admins who made the previous blocks (@Tamzin() or @Drmies) in their talk pages might have more success?

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