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removing an archived post

Can an archived post that was declined on [1] be removed, as the post is listed twice and the edit request was granted on the second request? The grammmar was in fact incorrect and needed to be changed. I do not know why basically the same post is needed and was hoping there are extenuating circumstances. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 16:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

That is an incredibly long archive. Please provide a link to the individual sections within it. My gut reaction is to leave archived posts there, even if duplicated, as going back to edit minor errors makes archives look like they're OK to fiddle with. Perhaps the only rationale, normally, would be to remove copyright infringements that are subsequently unearthed after the posts are archived. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I do not know how to provide a link to the individual sections. The heading is Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2020, and as you can see, the heading and edit request show up twice. I did mean to add to the section already created and did not intend to create a new section. Two of the same sections seem to be taking up space, and the edit was indeed changed. Any advice you have is appreciated. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the desire to tidy things, IP, but archives should not be modified without a very good reason, such as the one outlined by Nick above. Tidying is not generally considered a good enough reason. Please do continue tidying other areas of Wikipedia, though! Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, how you link to a section is by adding a # (hashtag/pound symbol) and then the name of the section exactly (special formatting and article links should be omitted though). For example, if I were to link to this section I would type [[WP:TEA#removing an archived post]] (I use WP:TEA as it's the shortcut for the teahouse and easier than writing out Wikipedia:Teahouse) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:06, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

This highlighted link takes me to the top of the archive. Can someone show me what I missed to get to the specific section and can an editor who replied on this topic remove an edit request, so it does not look like I was tidying? Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2020 73.167.238.120 (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

You need to add the heading title after the #. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The text I try typing does not seem to give me the result I am looking for. 73.167.238.120 (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing request

Hi there,

I have requested for some additional information to be added to the article Ezhava with proper citation. Nobody is updating it. Who is responsible for this addition?

Thanks in advance ! 172.103.134.113 (talk) 05:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP, I don't see an edit request on your contributions page, but I do see an edit request at Talk:Ezhava by Malayalee0121. If you are the owner of the account, please remember to log in. To answer your question about "who is responsible", the answer is nobody. Everyone here are volunteers (like you) that have certain interests and topics that they are comfortable editing, and not everyone may feel knowledgeable enough in that subject to edit about it. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:08, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Wikipedian my Article declined due to Non-notable!!

Hi Wikipedian I am stuck here on my article to publish, My article got declined due to Non-notable!!, Please help me how can I improve it. Article link is here! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Social_Champ Shakeelahmedseo (talk) 06:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

First, Shakeelahmedseo, decide if there are any better sources. If there aren't, you won't get anywhere, so just stop. If there are, read up on how to add references. (You've added them in the wrong place.) Move the references. Then add more and better references. -- Hoary (talk) 06:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia to Help Clarify Mathematical Convention Confusion and Demonstrate Internal Consistency

Hello, I am working on a new draft article at Draft:Gallery_of_Atomic_Orbitals. In the article I use a mathematical symbol $L$ for a Laguerre polynomial which stand for a certain function which can be defined in a number of different ways depending on the convention choices chosen by a particular author. These different convention choice have led to lots of confusion and edit wars on some other pages on topics related to my new draft article. To curtail this confusion I have explicitly called out the possibility of different convention choices on my page and stated which convention I am using along with references to some textbooks and peer-reviewed articles which use the same convention. In addition, to establish even more consistency with other important references, I have cited some important places that readers will likely encounter the convention I have chosen before they find themselves digging in old textbooks. One of these places is the Laguerre polynomials Wikipedia page. I have gotten the feedback on my page that I should not cite Wikipedia because it is user generated. Does this advice apply in my case even though I am citing Wikipedia to establish internal consistency on a matter of convention?

Thanks for taking the time to help me become a better Wikipedia contributor! Twistar48 (talk) 07:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Twistar48: Don't worry about cross-page standardization. As long as you choose a convention that is used in sources and stay consistent, you shouldn't run into any problems. If you really want to, use {{efn}} and {{notelist}} and mention other notation in notes. You may also want to go to the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects, such as WikiProject Physics, to ask if there's a convention that editors in that field have agreed on. On a separate note, I don't know if your draft is notable enough apart from the atomic orbital article to have a standalone article. Have you considered improving that article instead? ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thanks very much for your response. I could see changing the convention discussion to be a note and removing the wikipedia citation, leaving it instead as a link perhaps. I will look into this. Regarding notability of the article: Yes, I know if it is very similar to atomic orbital article. I see my article as being complementary to that one, similar to Spherical harmonics and Table of spherical harmonics. The table or gallery page is strictly for showing a large number of examples of a topic (equation, orbital) on a separate page so as not to not clutter the main page with too many figures. Meanwhile, the main page can focus on textual exposition about the topic. Thanks also for the WikiProject Physics talk page link, I can ask about this idea there. Twistar48 (talk) 08:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Apartment & Buildings

What are the notability criteria of apartments & buildings? Is there any such page on Wikipedia which is not historical architecture just a building where people live? Behind the moors (talk) 10:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that there are specific guidelines for such buildings, so the fallback is the general guidance for notability. There are certainly articles about such buildings, for example Grenfell Tower — and not just because of the sad outcome of the Grenfell Tower fire. As always, the key is to find reliable secondary sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

"reliable sources" for topics which do not get mainstream coverage

What would be considered a "reliable source" for topics which don't really get mainstream coverage of any sort? I'm in particular asking about game console homebrew - I feel like I could add to this topic on several pages, but I cannot figure out if I'd be allowed to - most of the sources that are treated as "reliable" in the community exist on various wikis or random tweets from people who work on this stuff. Radostin04 (talk) 07:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps the following process: (i) Look for articles on similar subjects. (ii) Look near the top of the talk pages of those articles for the templates of "WikiProjects". (iii) Choose the single WikiProject that (a) is related and (b) has a talk page that seems lively. (Unfortunately, most WikiProjects are more or less moribund.) (iv) On that talk page, ask about "reliable sources" for your proposed subject. Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Radostin04: Fortunately, WP:VG is one of the more active WikiProjects. It has a collection of reliable sources at WP:VG/RS and even a customized Google search that allows you to search through those sources. I would suggest you start seeing if you can find anything in those sources already considered reliable. If not, you can ask at WT:VG/RS about specific sources you wish to use. Regards So Why 11:19, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

How To Post A Company Profile On Wikipedia

Hi , I am totally new to wikipedia , my head has tasked me to post our company's profile to wikipedia and i would like what are the steps to post and do i need to have prior knowledge on coding as i am not trained in this area. Zolandani (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC) Zolandani (talk) 01:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zolandani: A few things you need to understand:

Wikipedia doesn't have "profiles". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of knowledge. It has articles of encyclopedic value.
Why does your boss want you to write about your company on Wikipedia? Wikipedia is NEVER to be used for publicity purposes. Ever. If that is the intent, find another venue.
Please see WP:PAID and comply with it. You entered into a legally binding obligation to disclose your paid editing status when you created an account here.
Is your company notable? That is, does it meet the requirements in WP:CORP? If not, then it doesn't merit an article here. See Wikipedia:Golden rule for a good overview.

If you have read, understood, and complied with all of the above and still believe you want to write an article, go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the instructions to write a draft article and submit it for review. Absolutely do not attempt to publish the article yourself; it will likely be deleted and your account might be blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zolandani: And to all this, one might add: If an article about your boss's company does one day pass muster to appear in Wikipedia, it will NOT be in your boss's control. Anybody can change it, and if the changes are properly sourced, they will appear--whether your boss happens to like them or not. Uporządnicki (talk) 01:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zolandani: if would be helpful to read Your first article and Citing sources. When you write your draft you will need to have independent references sources. Don't use information from the company website, or documents written by anyone connected to the company, for those references would be seen as being biased in favor of what you are writing about. Have there been newspaper and magazine articles written about the company? Not articles that just mention the company in passing, but ones that primary tell about what the company does. You'll need at least three good references. Keep a neutral tone when writing (don't make it sound as though you are trying to promote the business) and don't add anything that can't be referenced.

You don't need to know coding, for the above listed how-to articles will explain what you need to know, but at first it is rather complicated. It would be very beneficial for you to first do some editing of published articles to learn just how Wikipedia "works." Your employer assigned you a difficult task, and I hope he or she will be understanding if your article is reviewed and declined. Many newcomers attempt articles when they are not prepared to do so, and their hours of work can't prove that their subject is notable enough to warrant an article on Wikipedia. Best wishes on your project. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zolandani: Show your boss the above responces and WP:PSCOI. If they order you to disregard any of it, resign and find a job with a boss that will not demand the impossible of you. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 11:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal

Good day! Is the title in this article written correctly? Don't vandalism?: 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal--Станислав Савченко (talk) 11:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The article has been in existance since 2015. The number 1 is part of the formal name. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 11:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia as a one Whole System.... How it works and how to study about it.

Hello, I want to study how wikipedia and other projects are built and how they function as a whole how do i start? 2405:201:1003:807:F57:3169:996F:38A1 (talk) 13:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

You might like to start with the in-house magazine WP:Signpost, which has sections on published academic studies on Wikipedia. You could also look on Google Scholar or similar for relevant material. Note that this Teahouse is really intended for new editors who have questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

You may find some leads at Wikipedia and linked articles, and perhaps WP:PRESS 21 etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

How to publish a draft article

FYI

– Formatted header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I have created a draft article in my userspace.

What are the steps to have that published?

John Kaunitz John Kaunitz (talk) 02:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Kaunitzj. I'm afraid your draft has several problems. First, it should have been written in draft space or your sandbox, not on your user page. Second, it appears to be an autobiography. Third and most importantly, it has absolutely no reliable, independent, published secondary sources backing up its facts; every single statement, especially in a biography of a living person, needs to be backed up with an appropriate source. I recommend you take a look at WP:FIRST, WP:AUTO, and WP:Verifiability. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

It also appears to be copied almost exactly from the site located at the included external link. I don't see any copyright statement on that site, but lacking a statement that the text is under a compatible license, I think your draft may be a copyright infringement, and might end up quickly deleted. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Although I must confess I don't completely understand. I have created the article in my sandbox but moved it to a separate page to give it a title. I can move it to the Draft space it that is what I should do.

The article is supported by the references at the end all of which are published secondary sources that verify the content of the article. Can you please explain what the problem is. There is no article on Wikipedia for Adaptive Noise Cancelling that explains the concept or points to the history of its invention. The article is intended to address this deficiency. THE ISDE website I refer to is my website so I am not sure what needs to be done to alleviate any copyright concerns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaunitzj (talk • contribs) 04:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User:Kaunitzj/Adaptive Noise Cancelling melecie t - 04:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaunitzj If someone who owns or manages a website which they are citing as a source, they would need to place a permanent statement on that website (or on the relevant pages, at least) releasing that content under a CC-By-SA licence, permitting its re-use, even commercial. Only then may it be copied verbatim into Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 04:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I see you mean User:Kaunitzj/Adaptive Noise Cancelling! I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about what you'd posted on your user page. Unfortunately, you still need to work on your referencing; you should back up everything in the article with inline citations, not just a few sentences here and there. Also, I see that the first three references cited are apparently your own work, which may be a problem - see WP:SELFCITE. I'm not sure if adaptive noise cancelling is notable as a concept. If you just want to submit it anyway, you should move it to a draft and then add {{subst:submit}} to the top.Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Alternatively, Kaunitzj, you can simply place {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} at the top of your user space draft and the reviewer will move it to draft space for you (see Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft). Or you could simply move the article directly to mainspace yourself, but I think you'd run into some problems - it may get moved back to draft or proposed for deletion. Submitting it to AfC is generally safer. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 05:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaunitzj I advise against submitting your draft for review at this time. The following need addressing:

The lead is way too detailed. It should be a succinct summary in two paragraphs (See WP:LEAD).
The main content is way, way, way too long and far, far, far too technical.
WP:NOTABILITY needs to be based on sources independent of you, the author of these references. Show me how the ‘world at large’ has noticed and written about this concept. The only source ‘’not’’ written by you is a book mentioned in the last few sentences. Find three others that talk about it, and base the article on them, not on scientific papers or websites you’ve published.
Aim your language at a 16-17 yr high school student, not at someone who has already immersed themselves in a subject for a lifetime.
Your own userpage makes your WP:COI fairly evident, but is written in the 3rd person, not the first person. Please fix that, and make it a single, brief paragraph, not a detailed biography.
Less is more.

Hope this helps Nick Moyes (talk) 05:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I would echo Nick Moyes' recommendation that you word it as though you were trying to retain the attention of a high school student who didn't have a particular interest driving them to your subject. A normal conversational tone that's neither too dry nor too boosterish. Right now, it reads as though you're writing for a patent examiner, which is its own, very specialized, tone, and not the one you want to strike here. But it's an inherently interesting subject, so I think an article is warranted, and it will be good reading when you're done. Bill Woodcock (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Edit filter log in Chen Yifa

Refer to this.I roll back [2].
Special:Contributions/头号发吹(Special:Contributions/Touhaofachui) rolls back without giving any explanation.So I use Template:uw-spam2 and says don't use instagram.com.
I use Template:uw-npa3 because Special:Contributions/头号发吹(Special:Contributions/Touhaofachui) use edit summary say Also undo any other sabotage made by Rastinition without giving other explanation.
Because he says any other sabotage makes me feel bad, so I record this incident here. Maybe I can get some good opinions.

By the way, Special:Contributions/头号发吹(Special:Contributions/Touhaofachui) only edits Chen Yifa in zh.wikipedia.org and en.wikipedia.org, and the account name is related to Chen Yifa, there may be a problem with WP:COI.

PS:Special:Contributions/蟲蟲飛 move page User talk:Touhaofachui to User talk:头号发吹. So Touhaofachui is 头号发吹. Rastinition (talk) 11:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Rastinition and 头号发吹, I think you got off to a wrong start but otherwise it looks like a fairly standard content dispute. I would encourage you to discuss on the talk page of the article.

头号发吹, please take a moment to review WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF - please refrain from accusing others of "sabotage" just because they disagree with what should be written in an article.

Rastinition, your approach of wholesale reversion and immediately escalating Twinkle templates was unnecessarily confrontational. In particular, instead of this revert, you should have only removed the Instagram link (the subject of the article is known for Youtube, so having a Youtube link to the channel is OK). You should not have made the accusation of spamming just based on an edit filter, when manual inspection reveals the actual edits to be well-intentioned. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.If he explained that at the beginning, we could do better.I think our problem is invalid communication, so I came to the teahouse.I think the communication is more effective than before.Because I only follow Youtube now, Youtube’s problem is solved. I don’t have the motivation to edit in Chen Yifa. In addition to what you mentioned above, is there anything else I haven't noticed? Rastinition (talk) 14:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

头号发吹：I'm sorry I called your strange edit "sabotage". You're right about instagram/Youtube/forum as references. Those info is removed already. You may want to write your reason of editing clearly without using some random confusing abbreviation. By the way, my ID has nothing to do with Chen Yifa, although I watched her live stream often. This doesn't violate WP:COI. Stop making nonsense speculation/accusation with zero evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 头号发吹 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Whitewashing. Sockpuppetry?

It appears that certain users are continually removing anything that could be construed as negative. For example the adware and dark pattern "claims" which are actually facts that are backed up by more than one citation and reference. Anyone care to elaborate? What usually happens when certain users repeatedly try to whitewash an article? While there is no direct evidence of sockpuppetry yet, these users appear to be associated with the article's subjectmatter in some way. The article in question is MacUpdate. Bigmaaac (talk)

@Bigmaaac: I think you need to back off. The edits you are reverting are grounded in Wikipedia policy. Removing citations to blogs is OK. Removing tangential negative information is OK. Removing statements that misrepresent the cited source is OK. If you want to include that stuff, see WP:BURDEN; the burden is on you to gain consensus to include it. The material removed looked pretty questionable to me. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:37, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist: The things you are saying may be rooted in wiki policies but IMHO the material removed did not fall into those categories; that said I would assume removing statements what misrepresent a subject in a *postive* way is ok too? By that I mean on Wikipedia in general, not just macupdate or whatever. As in material that is borderline marketing copy lifted from a press release? There seems to be a bit of that floating around the site.

@Bigmaaac: You should certainly remove PR puffery from articles on-sight. However, when removing or adding content, please do not mark your edits as "minor" (as you did here for instance) - "minor" edits are corrections of spelling, table formatting etc. which do not change the information a reader would acquire by reading the article.

I think you are in the right regarding whether to include spamware etc. accusations against MacUpdate, but you are certainly in the wrong by just reverting it without much of an explanation. I would suggest to open a discussion on the talk page, and if nobody objects within a few days you can put your version back in place, otherwise follow the steps listed at WP:DR. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Thank you for clarifying the best practices, appreciate it and I'll do my best to stick to them. Bigmaaac (talk)

Merge or move proposal

I made a post at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chess_problem, here's a summary.

Chess puzzle and chess problem seem to be the same thing, despite what chess puzzle says. So maybe merge chess puzzle into chess problem?

But chess puzzle is more often used than chess problem, so maybe move chess problem into chess puzzle (chess puzzle doesn't have much information)?

It seems quite silly to put both a merge proposal and a move proposal sign, but if I do nothing it'll probably take a long time before someone notices (last talk page post was 15 months ago). What should I do? AltoStev (talk) 00:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@AltoStev: Shortly after your post on the Teahouse, you got an answer on the talk page, opposing your proposal (and IMO for good reason). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

What to do about permanently dead link?

Hey, folks. I recenetly came across the article for Bam Thwok and noticed that it had some dead links, so I decided to find archives of them, but one seems to have been excluded from archive.org, and no other archives of it seem to exist. Seeing as a lot of the information in the article is attributed to it (including direct quotes), what should be done here? On a related note, should the article have the "featured article" tag if it can't be verified? ArcticSeeress (talk) 11:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi ArcticSeeress. With respect to dead links, please take a look at WP:DEADREF and WP:ELDEAD because there are different ways for dealing with them depending upon whether the link is question is for a citation or for an external link. Generally, dead links that are citation are removed just because they're dead because there still may be some value as a source for keeping them as is. For external links, the link loses it's value fairly quickly once it becomes dead and thus replacement or removal is more often done than in the case of citations. As for question about WP:FAs, only those articles which have gone through the FA process should be marked as such; generally, you should be able to find out whether an article is an FA by checking the top of its talk page because there's usually a banner and other information about such things. Just for reference, the current version of an article might've be a bit different from the one that was assessed when the article was undergoing its FA review. For this reason, sometimes an article is re-assessed and downgraded if the change has been for the worse. Bam Thwok is still currently listed as an FA, but whether it still meets the criteria for an FA is probably something you should discuss at WP:FAR if you have concerns about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Re. the FA process, Bam Thwok was made a Featured article in 2007 and doesn't seem to have been reassessed since; the process has become a lot stricter since then so it is quite possible that it would not be considered up to today's standards – I see a {{citation needed}} tag on it, for instance, which would need to be addressed.

Re. fixing dead links, I was able to find a source to replace the dead Aversion link in one case (here) – editors more familiar with the subject matter might be more able to help in the other cases. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies, both of you! I'll see if I can I can find any other sources to to replace the dead one. Seeing as the dead reference had been brought up before on the talk page, maybe I'll see about bringing it up for review. ArcticSeeress (talk) 15:16, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Independent review request for article with COI

Hello, I am hoping I might find an editor or editors who are willing to do an independent review of my article on Byron Adams in order to satisfy any concerns over bias / quality and remove the COI template at the top of the article. Any help with review or further guidance as to how I could better request is greatly appreciated. Vivwest (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The COI tag is valid, as you confirmed a connection on your user page, and since March of this year increasd the length of the article by nearly 3X. David notMD (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Error message for Spain

Why is "Request from - via cp5011.eqsin.wmnet, ATS/8.0.8 Error: 502, Next Hop Connection Failed at 2021-12-09 15:10:49 GMT" generated for autoconfirmed users? Kent Dominic·(talk) 15:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Kent Dominic Looks like a problem with some of the servers on the Internet path from you to Wikipedia (ATS = Apache Traffic Server), rather than with Wikipedia or that particular article. I think you've just had bad luck but if the error persists, try the WP:Village_pump_(technical) where the geeks hang out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Cite which creates a download

Is it permitted to use a cite such as reference 10 on Reile's Acres, North Dakota which downloads a doc onto the users computer? Lyndaship (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Lyndaship WP:RICHMEDIA doesn't specifically ban such links but the real problem in that article is that the references are mostly bare URL that would be much better if properly expanded, with authors/publishers credited. I tried the "Expand citations" bot but it didn't help much. You would be greatly helping by being WP:BOLD and working to improve things there, if you're interested. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:06, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Someone made a suggestion in a comment on my draft page. I've changed the article to accept their suggestion. Should I respond/How to respond to the comment?

I'm working on a draft page at Draft:Gallery of Atomic Orbitals. A user left a comment for me which I addressed in a recent edit. I would like to respond to their comment letting them know I have accepted their suggestion. (a) would this be appropriate and (b) how, mechanically, do I respond? Twistar48 (talk) 15:51, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Twistar48: Yes, that's a good idea. The best place is probably at the Talk Page of the Draft, Draft talk:Gallery of Atomic Orbitals so any future reviewer and/or reader will see it. You can "ping" the particular user to the new comment in the same way as I've pinged you here (look at the source code). Make sure you sign that edit, or the ping won't work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Help at Shinola (retail company)

Hello. John here on behalf of Shinola (retail company) to suggest some updates and corrections to the company's article. I've disclosed my conflict of interest on the article's Talk page, and I understand I should let other editors review my requests instead of editing the article on my own. However, I'm not getting editor feedback using the "request edit" template as suggested. Can someone here help or at least confirm I'm submitting requests correctly? Thank you! JS at Shinola (talk) 16:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@JS at Shinola: The request has been made correctly but I'm afraid there is always a backlog and I'm not a subject expert, so can't help. Your next step might be to politely ping one of or two of the editors who have worked on the article, below your edit request, but even that may not elicit a response. Use the ping mechanism as I did here (see source code) and be sure to sign that edit so the ping will take effect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Using two infoboxes

AverroesII (talk) 13:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Is it permitted to use template infobox: spy and template infobox: philosopher for the same person? (removing some headings so that the infobox: spy simply describes their espionage career)

Hello AverroesII and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you can use multiple infoboxes, and the best way to do that is to embed them - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes/embed. In this case, I think it would be easiest to start out with Template:Infobox person and then embed the other two infoboxes (Template:Infobox philosopher and Template:Infobox spy) into it using its module parameters. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

First article

Hello, I am going to create my first article. Can anybody give some suggestions? Thanks. Spotanus (talk) 04:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, WP:YFA will help, and start by finding valid references.David notMD (talk) 05:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spotanus: If you're looking for things that you might want to write about have a look at WP:Requested Articles. There are also a load of WP:Wikiprojects dedicated to specific topics, e.g. WP:Women in red is dedicated to increasing our coverage of women. I would advise that you avoid biographies of living people and medical articles when getting started, as both those topics have special sets of sourcing requirements. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 18:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

conflicting articles

If there are two Wikipedia articles with conflicting information on similar topics, how do you know which Wikipedia article to make corrections to? Does someone want a specific example to help them answer my questions? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 16:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes please. Knowing what people are lookng at is immensely helpful when answering such an open-ended question. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The answer, always, is "what do the sources say?". If one is consistent with the sources and the other not, you know which one to alter. If the sources say differently, and both appear reliable, it may be appropriate to edit both to say that the sources are inconsistent. If it is a matter of interpretation of the sources, you probably want to start a discussion either on one of the articles' talk pages or on the talk page of a relevant WikiProject; in either case, it's worth adding a note to the other talk page(s) linking to the discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

My understanding is the date of the death sentence for Dylann Roof should be the same across articles. So either use the date the jury recommended the death sentence, the date the judge formally sentenced Roof to death, or both dates and indicate which is which. [3] [4] Thank you! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The date should be the one when he was formally sentenced. Mjroots (talk) 18:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

How do We suggest a Canadian Public Figure to be added to Wikipedia?

Hello! There is a Canadian public figure who is a young singer/songwriter and actress who should be added to Wikipedia. How does this happen, and how can we help? Jmartins88 (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jmartins88 Welcome to the Teahouse. The criteria for whether or not a young musician or, indeed, a musician of any age, can be found at WP:NMUSIC. Unless the criteria there can be met, it could well be TOOSOON for such a page. Who is "we"? If you represent the artist or are a family friend, you would have a Conflict of Interest were you to try to create such a page yourself. Only one person may use a Wikipedia account, as we do not permit sharing. Assuming this person does meet our 'notability' criteria, it is likely that an up-and-coming artist would quickly attract interest from someone else who wanted to write about them (based upon Reliable, independent sources). They could submit the name and some sources to WP:REQUESTED ARTICLES, but the list there is huge, and there is no certainty anyone would pick up on their name and run with it. If you told us who this person is and point us to the best sources which talk about him/her then we might be able to offer some practical observations on the chances of success. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

How Do I Request To Have My Draft Published?

Courtesy link: Draft:PufferfishDave Puffer Dave (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Puffer Dave: Welcome to the Teahouse. Before you ask for help to get your draft published, you're going to want to find reliable sources that significantly talk about the subject. Since you have a similar username, I assume the subject is yourself, and would strongly discourage you from writing a draft about yourself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Puffer Dave, if you're referring to Draft:PufferfishDave, any such request would be rejected. It cites no sources at all. It doesn't even have any content, just a heading. Wikipedia is an encyclopdia, with articles on notable subjects; it's not social media. Maproom (talk) 18:16, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

It did have far more content, but I tagged it for speedy deletion and it was deleted, it has been recreated though with less content but would still be rejected outright. Theroadislong (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Puffer Dave Be advised that Wikipedia is not a free hosting service for anyone to post nonsense biographies about themselves. See WP:NOTWEBHOST. Please don't try and do that or the Draft will be deleted again and your account could have its editing privileges withdrawn. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. You might wish to find another platform for your 'fun facts'. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing help

FYI

– Added header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Meusme123 (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2021 (UTC) How do I edit others?

User has been blocked for vandalism. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

i'm having trouble adding subtitles to an OGG file

hello all, i need help

i was trying earlier today to add subtitles to an ogg audio file that i used in an article via the wikimedia commons. i tried using the same format shown in the template "the subRip format" but the ccs in the audio were very delayed and out of order..

what should i do? Sevencosmoi (talk) 18:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sevencosmoi Welcome to the Teahouse. For technical queries like this, you might be better of asking at WP:VPT - our place for very technical queries. However - and this is a biggie - I have already nominated two of your uploads for deletion from Commons, and must ask you to stop doing any more, or face having your editing privileges there withdrawn. As far as I can see, you have been taking copyrighted music clips and releasing them to Commons under a Creative commons commercial reuse licence. I doubt you own the rights to this music so, unless you do, you would be breaking national laws and risking damaging Wikimedia Common's reputation for only hosting legally-released content from their owners. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:29, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes yes, i saw your message on the talk page and replied to you there. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevencosmoi (talk • contribs) 19:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sevencosmoi: (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:56, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Project page changes

Hello Teahouse, how do I propose or make changes/edit a Wikipedia project page?, there are some changes I would like to be made on WP:PLACEDAB. Josedimaria237 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2021 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Josedimaria237, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:BRD applies to project pages just as to articles - but you need to assess whether your change is likely to be controversial in the context of a Wikipedia guideline in deciding whether to be bold and edit, or to discuss on the Talk page beforehand. --ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Does this WP:BRD literally mean that I should go ahead and make the change myself? There is a discussion on the talk page but there haven't been any consensus reached. Josedimaria237 (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

It means that you might go ahead and make the change yourself, if you conclude that it is not likely to be controversial, Josedimaria237. If there is already a discussion going on, then that is obviously not the case (you didn't mention that before). --ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine Yes, a discussion is still going on but I think it is unlikely a consensus will be reached which would make an admin make the necessary changes. I am asking because these changes will affect some articles I nominated for RM.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Architecture Firm, New

Getting my architectural page approved - Thank you to everyone who collaborated on a response to my questions on my page. Thanksgiving week has thrown me off schedule a little, but I’m trying to jump back into this and really dig in on this. One giant clarification, yes, I am a paid employee of SJCF, but I am not attempting to write this page because I am being specifically paid to. It is a labor of love for me, as I am now one of the old timers here.

I have taken all of your suggestions and am re-doing another draft. It’s difficult…we’ve been in business for more than 60 years, and we have breadth of coverage in the media, spanning a large amount of time, but not depth in articles. Bob Schaefer (our original ‘Schaef’) was a humble man who eschewed publicity..he liked for our buildings to speak for him. Even to this day, in many articles in our local media, you’ll see ‘courtesy photo’ under one of our renderings…and it is driving me crazy as I attempt to pull this together. Additionally, while the NY Times might have an architecture critic, most Kansas papers do not, and so in-depth architectural coverage is largely non-existent. Another clarification on the article one of you mentioned that talks about ‘reusing furniture’…that article also talked about the challenges presented in managing a school bond issue during the great recession in 2008. Thank you everyone for the help, the critique, the suggestions. I love that a group of writers comes together to do this and do it well. WikiLDMR (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation of our editors, WikiLDMR (though I was not one of those who helped in this case). I'm not clear whether you are asking a question. Note that Wikipedia does not differentiate whether you are specifically paid to work on this: you have a COI as an employee, and you are paid as an employee. But you've made the declaration, so that is fine. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy Draft:SJCF Architecture WikiLDMR - You have made no edits since the draft was Declined on 22 Nov. MANY of the references confirm that SJCF was the architecture firm, but provided little to nothing about SJCF. I recommend you focus on finding more content about the firm and reduce the list of projects. David notMD (talk) 18:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiLDMR I did some searching of news sources, and I'm skeptical that the firm qualifies for an article. What you need to qualify for an article here is "depth in articles" in newspapers/books/journals. So if there has not been that (for whatever reason), the firm isn't going to qualify. I did see one reasonably good article to add to your list: Graham, Sherry. 2002. With 45th anniversary, new location schaefer johnson a firm on the go. Wichita Business Journal 17, (15) (Apr 12): 5, https://www.proquest.com/trade-journals/with-45th-anniversary-new-location-schaefer/docview/229727072/se-2?accountid=196403 (accessed December 9, 2021). But you'll need more like this, and probably more that are not purely local per WP:CORP. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I remove template messages?

Hi! Hope you all are having a good day. I'm quite new to this process and I have a few questions. These days, when I see a template message that says something like "This plot summary may be too long...", I edit the plot summary below to make it more concise. What do I do then? Can I remove the message? I think you can remove them by clicking on them in the visual editor, but this doesn't always work, specially when the box is within a table of contents. The visual editor thinks you're trying to click on the table itself. Same thing with the messages that say "citation needed". What I'm currently doing is adding the citations next to the "citation needed" sign. Thanks in advance! Pablov95 (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Pablov95 and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, if you believe you've fixed the problem, you can remove the template (and if you get pushback, that's when conversation and consensus - ideally - happen). I don't use the visual editor, so I can't help you there; in source mode I just find the "PROBLEM HERE" marker between its curly brackets and delete the whole thing, leaving some relevant comment in the summary to show I'm not just randomly removing maintenance templates.. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Pablov95 Welcome to the Teahouse. This probably isn't the answer you want to hear, but I would always use WP:Source Editor for removing templates, and never Visual Editor. (I still can't master working with templates with VE myself after many years). In source editor (which you can ensure is always offered to you by setting your Preferences to show both editing tool options) you find the template text between double curly brackets {{}}. So long as you're confident you have addressed the matter, then removing the template is ideal. (I'll look forward to someone answering your directly, as I'm always keen to learn, too). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Limit to editing wikis?

Hello, I decided to make a new account on wikipedia and wondered if there is a limit to editing pages. If there is, please reply. If not, you can ignore this question. Many thanks in advance! 👍 Blocks72 (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blocks72: It depends on the situation with your old account. Depending on that, the answer is 100% yes, or 100% no, or somewhere in between. Please explain. Also, not sure what you mean by a "limit". Also, somewhat concerned that you named your account "Blocks", which has an unfortunate connotation here ... --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:32, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Blocks72, one limit is the limit on promotion. Somewhere in this series of edits, you changed "Missouri’s Ozark Mountains" to "Missouri’s famed Ozark Mountains". Please remove "famed". -- Hoary (talk) 23:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Banned editor editing anonymously as IP

I strongly suspect a topic banned editor edits an article they are banned from anonymously, as IP. What shall I do? I understand CheckkUser team does not check IPs, out of the concern for outing. --Armatura (talk) 23:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC) --Armatura (talk) 23:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Armatura: You can still open a WP:Sockpuppet investigation but you will have to support your suspicions entirely with behavioural evidence, e.g. shared interests and shared editing quirks. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 00:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Citations

What do I put for authors in a citation if there is like 5 of them? ― Kaleeb18^Talk 03:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: If you're using a template such as {{cite web}}:

Use |author1=, |author2=, |author3=, |author4=, |author5= to display all five
Use |last1=|first1=, |last2=|first2=, |last3=|first3=, |last4=|first4=, |last5=|first5= to display all five
Choose one of the above and use |display-authors= to display a designated number of authors (e.g. |display-authors=2 will display only the first two authors)
|display-authors=etal displays all authors in the list followed by et al.

For more information, see the documentation at Template:Cite web. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 03:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

When a topic has a google knowledge graph

What do you do if a specific topic has a google knowledge panel but no Wikipedia do you create an Wikipedia article? Rednike01 (talk) 03:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Rednike01: If you encounter a Google Knowledge panel with no Wikipedia article, you don't have to create a Wikipedia article. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Your Draft:JumondR Rondaii does not have any independent sources. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

editing rules

Editing restriction:

I just read the following message:

"Hello, please stop reverting the edits. I have been instructed to edit the page because sections have been improperly sourced. I am the original author of the page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArcticFox55 (talk • contribs) 03:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)"

clarification[edit source]

For the record I have not been reverting however, this was my question:

Dear Kpddg

I'm sorry but I'm new to Wikipedia - please explain why I can't edit a page? My edit is designed to provide clarity and honesty and so I don't understand how it is that you state no one can edit the page? I look forward to your response and apologise if I have misunderstood Wikipedia.

- I wonder if anyone can explain what is going on - not a great experience for my first edit on Wikipedia. THANK YOU Yorkshire views (talk) 03:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yorkshire views: Welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse! Thank you for trying to improve the Simon Reevell article. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you did the right think by posting at User talk:Kpddg to ask why your edits were reverted. (I think the post from ArcticFox55 is unrelated to you.) In the meantime TheresNoTime restored your edits because Kpddg didn't explain the revert. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yorkshire views: Hi, welcome to Wikipedia - I'm sorry your experience hasn't been great so far. I've restored your changes and asked the editor to explain why they removed them. It could be because we require reliable sources for many claims, but the editor in question could have at least left you a message letting you know why.

The message you saw (Hello, please stop reverting the edits [...]) was actually another editor (ArcticFox55) leaving Kpddg a message, and was not directed at you - there's a tutorial you might find helpful, as Wikipedia has a bit of a learning curve. -- TNT (talk • she/they) 03:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Simon Reevell

@Yorkshire views: It looks like Kpddg acted hastily and TheresNoTime has reverted the reversion (i.e., added back the content that you added). It's no reflection on you – thank you for your contribution. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 03:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yorkshire views: :@TheresNoTime: :@ClaudineChionh: Hello. I reverted this edit as it was poorly sourced. But I believe you have said that it is fine. Sorry for not including this reason in the edit summary. I have responded to the editor in concern on their talk page as well. Hope you are satisfied. Thank You. And apologies Yorkshire views for this not being a 'great experience' .Kpddg (talk) 04:32, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Will redirect cause a problem?

I am currently researching a new article on the 19th century children's magazine The Little Corporal. I checked Wikipedia to see if there is already an article with this name, and discovered Little Corporal redirects to the Napoleon article. If I name my article The Little Corporal will that be redirected to Napoleon? Would it be best to add (magazine) to my title, to avoid redirects? Karenthewriter (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2021 (UTC) Karenthewriter (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter Welcome to Tea House! Currently The Little Corporal is a red link, so whatever you do with it, it will not redirect to Napoleon. This is a good example to add a WP:hatnote on either articles, once they're both live with a template like {{See also}}. If you have more specific questions about redirects, you're welcome to contact me on my talk page or ask here again. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you 🦝 Shushugah. Since many public libraries are doing away with printed reference books (a librarian told me to go online for information) providing accurate articles on classic children's magazines is my main good deed Wikipedia project. Until I started researching The Little Corporal I had no idea that Napoleon Bonaparte had a nickname that would cause me trouble. Karenthewriter (talk) 19:06, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Huh, I thought The Little Corporal was Hitler. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Shushugah The Little Corporal is published, with nary a sign of a redirect problem! Thanks for your help! Karenthewriter (talk) 08:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Reliable Source

Is Ranker.com a reliable source to use on things?

No (no editorial oversight). Fan opinion sites (and all other forms of user-generated content) are never acceptable sources unless the subject is using the site to talk about themselves (and even then there's a strict limit on how much we can use such sources). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: Gotcha. Can I use Buzzfeed for things like that? I assume not. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 00:33, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ask RSP. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Basically, no it isn’t because of what has already been aforementioned, you are right to come here to ask, which is a trait concomitant with any good faith editor who seeks to build an encyclopedia. Now, whilst we at the Teahouse are always more than happy to assist, I can teach you how to use sources, you might want to read WP:RS for starters, basically what you want to know is a reliable source must have a reputation for fact checking, and a presence of an editorial oversight team, if both are satisfied then you are probably looking at a good reliable source. Celestina007 (talk) 09:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Can you unilaterally change names of articles?

I know how to move the page and change name, but can you just go ahead and do it?

I want to change Amhara Mass Media Agency old name to Amhara Media Corporation new name since 2020. I left an message on the Talk page. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, under the WP:BOLD rational. I would just do it unless you have a WP:COI. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 01:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ariconte thnx Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, to expatiate on what my colleague Ariconte told you, the answer to your question is both yes and no depending on the context. Yes you can unilaterally move an article to a different name & No, if the title of the article is controversial, that is, has been moved in the past then no, you cannot unilaterally move the article what you want to do is open a discussion on the TP of the article if there is little to no participation then you can go to WP:RM and initiate this request. Celestina007 (talk) 09:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

Draft:Vishwananda

Hi, could anybody give input on the Draft:Vishwananda. It was previously submitted for immediate deletion. I didn't quite understand that, as the article was certainly not in any way a kind of promotion of the subject, it was instead rather critical. But I rewrote it, really paying attention to the sources, to have more reliable secondary sources. Vishwananda is quite well known in Germany, but he also has Ashrams in the UK and USA. He is very popular in eastern European countries, like Poland or Czech Republic. So I guess notability is given. He even just bought a new Ashram in Germany, which owns it's own lake! There was an article about him in the Times of India, but also in many German speaking newspapers or TV stations. Any input from your side is appreciated. Hanumandas (talk) 11:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

You have done a lot of work since the Decline, but the Life and Bhakti Marga Activities sections still lack references. David notMD (talk) 11:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you David, I will try to amend this. I did translations from German de:Vishwananda and de:Bhakti Marga (Religionsgemeinschaft), on which I also worked myself, where I left out some of the less good references. Hanumandas (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I've had a look at some of the sources cited – not all, because I'm somehow unable to access most of the German-language ones. The numbers below refer to the references cited a few minutes before I posted this.

1 is, like Wikipedia itself, not a reliable source.

3 is based on what the subject said, so not independent.

13 does not mention the subject.

4, 7, 8 and 9 seem to me enough to establish notability. Maproom (talk) 11:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Maproom, this is very valuable, I can easily substitute 1, 3 the Times of India link, I mainly mentioned it because it is a respectable newspaper. You know, this whole Mahamandaleshwara thing, I think is not really that important, but these titles are given at Kumbha Melas, where there are millions of people, and there is a lot of news coverage, so it's likely reporters were there, or there was an announcement by the Nirmohi Akhada - but personally; I don't think it's important at all, so we could also just leave it off. But it's similar to Nithyananda receiving the same title just two years earlier by a different Akhara, Mahanirvani, see here https://www.deccanherald.com/content/311948/nithyananda-feted-mahakumbh.html and both are actually pals. For 13, it's about Bhakti Marga, and it's of course his organization, and Deutschlandfunk is a very respectable source. But again, I don't mind leaving it off. Again thanks for the advice, and now I know where to focus on. Hanumandas (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Numbered list I'm struggling to format

There's a numbered list on First Council of Nicaea, under Promulgation of canon law, that I'm struggling to format correctly; I've looked in the style guides, but I can't find anything covering this. In the text, it appears as:

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9–14.

15–16.

17.

18.

19.

20.

- which is not only not how a numbered list should appear, but also, I can't figure out how to format a numbered list with items 9-14 and 15-16 appearing as they do. Listing items 9-14 out in full - essentially just repeating myself - seems wrong and wonky. Any help? --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 13:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ineffablebookkeeper: No special formatting has been done, it is exactly the same in the article as you've got it here (I'm looking in the source editor with 9-14 just as 9hyphen14). The laws themselves are cited from here[5] and I guess you'll have to go back to that source to find out why they have been entered as they have. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

How to get my information onto wikipedia

Hi there, I am a musician who's wanting to get my information onto wikipedia, and the information added is to be added by wikipedia itself. So for wikipedia to add my information to their list, just like how wikipedia has an info site of Martin Garrix, how can I send my information to wikipedia to do this? How to do this as well? Tejas Nayak (talk) 14:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@DragonSlayeyer1: Hello Tejas! Please check out WP:NOTABILITY. In order for you to be able to have an article on Wikipedia you'll have to a be a notable figure who has received coverage from reliable, secondary sources. Also, I recommend changing your signature to actually include your username as with how it is now it shows your username as being "Tejas Nayak". If you are notable then please take a look at WP:COI and WP:PAID. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm sorry to disappoint you, DragonSlayeyer1 but 13-year-olds who happen to be interested in music usually won't merit an article in this encyclopaedia. The very few musicians who are notable for their skills and performance will get written about by our volunteer editors. Trying to write an autobiography about yourself is not recommended. A limited amount of information may appear on your user page (as you have already done) but note that this is intended to assist other editors here to know a bit about you: it is not to promote yourself to the world and is not indexed by search engines. There is no-one to "send information to" — we research things from published reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

What exactly does the tag (cleaning up COI / citespam) mean?

Greetings Wikipedians. Would you be kind enough to tell me if "(cleaning up COI / citespam)" is an 'official' way to explain changes to an article, and if so what does it mean? I think it means that the text of the article wasn't changed, just citations which are viewed as spammy or in conflict, is my view on this correct?

FWIW this isn't about an edit I made, just have seen it on several pages.

Thanks in advance! FranMichael (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Franchisemichael: Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please give us an example? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing! From a page I follow so I was alerted to this change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Franchising&action=history

03:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC) FranMichael (talk) 03:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Franchisemichael, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, i would give you a blanket answer to your question, if an article you created has a {{COI}} tag, it means the person who put the tag suspects you (the article creator) has, to a certain degree a form of relationship with the subject of your article, the editor who put the tag usually should initiate a conversation with you. You can read more about this here; WP:COI. As for the CITESPAM tag, it means you are reintroducing multiple (perhaps dubious) sources in diverse articles across this collaborative project for purpose of promotion (spamming) Please see WP:CITESPAM for a more detailed in-depth explanation. Which brings us to the crux of your question, there isn’t anything like Cleaning COI, what the person ought to do is initiate a conversation with you, as for “cleaning cite-spam” it is doable, that invariably means they are removing what they believe to CITESPAM from the article, I hope this helps. Celestina007 (talk) 09:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

::: @Celestina007 Thank you. As I mentioned it wasn't actually my article. Thanks so much for your explanation. I was mostly wondering if this was a template or something similar. Thanks!

@Franchisemichael: Thank you for providing an example of an edit summary with that text. In the future, you can always ask the editor directly if you don't understand their edit summary. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks! I don't engage that editor. an engagement with this editor over an erroneous post on their part, and trying to help them not break the 3R rule, combined with the unfortunate state of some admins who don't understand the idea of conflict resolution, simply for actually following to the the letter WP rules, receive a 'permanent' ban, which only my personal connection with the Almighty himself (the one in the sky, not the one who started the encyclopedia) caused me to be an editor again... I don't engage that editor (The Almighty said it was a one-time favor), but I learned here what I needed thank you!! That was a long sentence!

Images from US government websites?

I am working on Shelley H. Metzenbaum's page and wonder if images posted on US government pages are allowed for use on Wikipedia? In particular, I am wondering about the image here: [6]. Thanks in advance for any help or guidance. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @DaffodilOcean. The copyright statement covering that site is, I think, here, and does appear compatible. The US government - and some other governments around the world - does usually license things in a usable way. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikignome Wintergreen - thanks. Do I have to put the page into wikicommons before I can use it? And/or what is the next step before I can use the image?DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's the correct process and allows the image to be used in all Wiki projects, including other-language versions. Use the Wizard linked from the Commons home page and follow the process to say this is a US Gov source (you'll be asked for the URL, for example). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:11, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean - here's a direct link to the Wizard for you. Don't forget your ruby/silver slippers, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikignome Wintergreen - easy. Thanks for the link, that was super helpful and I didn't even need the ruby slippers for luck. DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:52, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Why am I blocked on WikiSource?

Today, while I was going to create a local account for WikiSource, I was informed that my IP address or username was blocked, even though I have no blocks on any blocks that I know of. Can anyone inform me why this has occurred?

-Thanks, IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account) (talk) 18:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account): Your account here should work there, so you shouldn't need to create a new one. As you may know, each project is run seperately so we can't help you with blocks at Wikisource. Try asking at [7] or [8] RudolfRed (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

RudolfRed, he just told you his username or IP address is blocked and you tell him to post a question on their noticeboards about why he can't post questions on their noticeboards. Catch-22. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account), actually not a question for English Wikipedia, perhaps better suited for meta but anyway. Are you talking about English Wikisource (https://en.wikisource.org/) or old Wikisource (https://wikisource.org/)? You have an account on the latter, though their AbuseFilter log] suggests they have an overzealous account creation filter. -jkb- or Ankry, can you investigate this? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:51, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account): I released the filter restrictions a bit. The filter was not intended to prevent account cration, rather to slow-down spammers. However, your problem might mean that we will have a problem with sleeper accounts, soon (creation of 4 accounts in 5 minutes should not trigger the filter if no other IP actions were performed in this time period). Ankry (talk) 19:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

If an IP is blocked, we need to know at least the block # in order to go on. If you do not wish to provide it in public, you can contact an active admin vi email asking for help. There is also help address <wikisource@wikimedia.org> served by VRT (former OTRS), but unsure id it is announced anywhere. Ankry (talk) 19:28, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

and we need the name of the account that is supposed to be blocked at oldwikisource: neither the User IntellectuallyOlder(Alt nor the user IntellectuallyOlderer are registered there. -jkb- (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Ankry, I don't know if something more is going on, but when I spot-checked the users in the AbuseFilter log it was mostly users with a few dozen edits on a Wikipedia and no obvious spam. For example: w:fr:Spécial:Contributions/Matteo.Rohner, w:tr:Özel:Katkılar/Bruheradam, w:fr:Spécial:Contributions/Zizou72, w:fr:Spécial:Contributions/FlyChickenFly and w:uk:Спеціальна:Внесок/Maks of Kharkiv who is a rollbacker on ukwiki with 1000+ edits, seems rather unprobable for a spammer. Many from France so either your spammer is French or there is a campaign on frwiki to promote wikisource. Let's see if the filter will be triggered less after the change and/or if spam goes up. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: I am unsure what is going on. I made the filter public, so you can see it. The example entry from the log is

2021-12-09T18:25:28: Matteo.Rohner (talk | block) triggered filter 12, performing the action "autocreateaccount" on Special:UserLogin. Actions taken: Disallow; Filter description: rate limiting IP edits

And I wonder why this filter was activated. Does User Matteo.Rohner not belong to the group "users" or is the string "autocreateaccount" different to itself? Any help is welcome. Ankry (talk) 14:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ankry, just guessing: if you don't have an account since you're trying to create one, how could you be a user? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ankry, or I could be wrong. Matteo.Rohner got registered at 18:25 and triggered the AF at the same time. Possibly they had multiple dormant tabs open. Bruheradam registered ~~at 16:03 but~~ 17:52 and triggered the filter at 17:52 when they possibly already had an account. I suspect this might be true for all. And maybe !(action == "autocreateaccount") should use = instead of ==? Not sure if that matters but it would explain if that always evaluates to true. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

The problem should go away already. After my change in the filter that was made few minutes later. Feel free to notify me if the problem still exist. Ankry (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC) My fix was yesterday 19:08 UTC and the last entry in abuselog is yesterday 19:00 UTC. Ankry (talk) 16:13, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:14, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Notability for a possible Wikipedia article

FYI

– Fixed formatting. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I wrote and had published a nonfiction book about my rugby college team in the 70s. It's a niche book but it's been discussed and various articles about it exist in a few magazines. My pen name is Connor Murphy and the book title is 'Rugby Tries and Knock Ons Tales of a college rugby player in New England and the game that gave birth to American football'. It's also been on Amazon's Rugby best sellers list at times and in the top 10.. 72.200.173.217 (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Our notability criteria for books is at WP:NBOOKS. Your book might qualify under #1, depending on the articles published about it. How many articles have appeared? In what magazines? Were you interviewed for the articles or are they stand-alone reviews of the book? These are things which need to be considered. We do have a place to make requests for articles - in this case, it would be at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Literature - but it's severely backlogged and there's no guarantee anyone will ever act on a request made there. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:20, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Removing {{db-userreq}}

Hello. Please any administrator remove the {{db-userreq}} tag from my user page. Thank you. Spotanus (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Spotanus, you cab delete the tag yourself, just as you added it yourself. Maproom (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom, I don't think they can, they seem to have tripped an edit filter. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok – I've deleted it myself. Maproom (talk) 17:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Seeking help in replacing album infobox image

The scan of File:Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark album cover.jpg[9] was misaligned, creased, dim, and shadowy around its edges, so I uploaded a much crisper version (still low-res and meeting the same upload criteria as the first). The original upload was from Discogs.com, while my replacement was from semi-official Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark fansite Messages.[10] However my new version is not showing in Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (album). I am not terribly experienced here and would appreciate the help of a seasoned editor. Thanks. Paulie302 (talk) 07:33, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

As I view the article, Paulie302, I see the newer image, the one that you recently uploaded. Try refreshing your view of the page, or of course your view of the page that should show the new image (as well as, lower down, the old one). -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

It's a problem in your browser, which keeps old images in an attempt to download less each time you go back to a page. See Wikipedia:Purge#Purge_local_browser_cache for instructions about purging your browser's cache. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Paulie302 (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

"notability"_and_"citation"_guidelines

Hello, this is in response to User:Scope creep. The first article I have contributed "Gregg Hill (jazz composer)" has been flagged for "notability" and "needs more citations from reliable, independent sources" and was moved to draftspace. I have cited 2 independent articles on the composer (a newspaper article and liner notes of a major commercial jazz release by Rodney Whitaker who has his own Wikipedia page. So at the very least Gregg Hill(jazz composer) should be connected to that page if he doesn't yet merit his own article, correct? Can you tell me if the sources I have are indeed not appropriate, or where the issues are in the article in terms of content and tone if any? Please advise the best course of action or connect me with someone who can help this article meet standards before submitting for review? I have posted my query on the Teahouse but have not gotten any response. Perhaps User:Cordless Larry can assist or suggest someone to help? Thank you in advance so much for your help! EroniousThunk (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1133 § assistance meeting "notability" and "citation" guidelines - Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 21:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello EroniousThunk. As you can see if you follow the link above, you did get a response to your last post. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jazz was recommended as a place to find jazz lovers who might help dig up more sources. I doubt that liner notes count here, but I may be wrong. You could certainly use the newspaper article to cite mentions of Gregg Hill elsewhere on Wikipedia. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know much about jazz, EroniousThunk, but WikiProject Jazz sounds like a good bet. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

how can i use media (specifically images) used already in other articles?

hello all, how can i embed or reuse an image that is used in a wikipedia article in another related article that have created? for example, i wanna use this cover image here in a page about the same song in another language. specifically in a song infobox but i'm having trouble doing it. can someone please tell me an exact way of doing it? thanks in advance. Sevencosmoi (talk) 19:16, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sevencosmoi: It's a bit arcane and not my expertise, but I know there are strict restrictions for reusing album art. Perhaps if you shared the link of the intended target article? TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:35, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Sevencosmoi, in that particular case you are talking about a non-free image which is used in accordance with US fair use law. Using that (or a similar image) on another language Wikipedia is only possible if that other language Wikipedia has an Exemption Doctrine Policy. A list of which Wikipedias (and other projects) have that can be found on m:Non-free content. If they do, you'd have to download the image from https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Coldplay_-_My_Universe.png and upload it locally to the other project, generally using their equivalent of Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Be very very careful not to upload it to Wikimedia Commons as they only accept freely licensed content. For freely licensed images that are already on Commons you can insert the file name on any Wikimedia project and it'll work. For example: File:Jane Margyl, Samson et Dalila flyer.jpg on Commons, the same file here, the same file on French Wikipedia, the same file on Wikivoyage, etc. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:40, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz so i can download the image from the link above and and upload it to the wikipedia file upload wizard without any problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevencosmoi (talk • contribs) 19:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Sevencosmoi, that's not what I said, there are conditions that must be met. Can you give a link to the article you want to use the image in? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz here, it's the arabic page for the song. sorry if i misunderstood what you said too — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevencosmoi (talk • contribs) 19:55, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Sevencosmoi, okay, Arabic Wikipedia has an Exemption Doctrine Policy which is similar to English Wikipedia's policy. It's probably fine though I don't know the details of their policy. For upload instructions you should ask on w:ar:ويكيبيديا:الميدان/منوعات. Their file upload wizard doesn't seem to work currently so I don't know what they use and I don't know the language. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz alright then. i'll definitely look up for more info there and try to contact administrators to know more. thank you so much for your help. i truly appreciate it Sevencosmoi (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations

The reason I quit donating is because wikipedia quit being neutral, preferring to engage in politics and censorship of truth to influence users toward a political ideology. At that point the credibility and trust was destroyed. It's a very sad decision you made. It will take a long time to heal if Wikipedia ever decides to regain scruples. Nagging for donations is irritating because in the nagging, there is no way to give feedback such as this. In fact, as it turns out, there is no way to give feedback at all actually. It's time to dismiss the employees and board members who wrecked Wikipedia credibility. 2601:2C1:4280:B490:F5B5:281:E91E:22DC (talk) 19:04, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Sometimes those don't match the sources a person chooses to get their information from. Nonetheless, if you've identified obvious factual errors, you can discuss on that article's talk page. And all of us responding to queries are volunteers - donations keep the overall infrastructure going, but nothing comes to us. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

If you are going to make statements about Wikipedia engaging in "censorship of truth" then to convince me of that, you are going to have to give a specific example. I am not aware of anyone "censoring truth" in any article I've ever looked at, far less one I've actually edited. You would also be more convincing if you created an account under your own name and did not hide behind an IP address. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

"The right to free speech... doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to your bull----, or host you while you share it." —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:14, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

RC Patroller question

Hi, I am not so new at wikipedia but new enough to need to ask questions. On the page about RC Patrolling says if vandalism should be tagged or deleted, how would I tag? Msaskiw (talk) 20:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Msaskiw Welcome to the Teahouse. It's great that you're doing RC patrolling ( I used to do a lot myself). Basically, if it's vandalism, just delete it by reverting the edit. Then warn the editor with a rising scale of warnings. First offenders usually get a 1st level warning, and so on. The best way to do this is to ensure you have WP:TWINKLE enabled in your Preferences. Having done so, the TW menu at the top of the screen will allow you to leave an appropriate warning for that user. If they continue to cause problems after their final warning, then and only then is it the time to report them to WP:AIV. You can use Twinkle to automate that process, too. My tip with troublesome editors was to keep a tab open for each one and keep coming back to see if they've editing again. So revert and warn; watch, revert and warn again; until final level warning is exceeded. For bad vandalism I'd ignore the first level warning and judge whether or not to start with a 2nd level or (rarely) a 3rd or only warning - but do that only sparingly for the very worst, offensive abuses. Does that answer your question? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: This is admittedly something I'm curious about as well but you don't seem to have explained what it means by tagging an edit that's vandalism. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf If you read the RCP page, you'll see the OP has slightly confused what is required. There's no mention there of tagging vandalism. However, bad edits can be tagged with such things as ^[who?], ^{[according to whom?]}, ^{[clarification needed]},^{[citation needed]}, ^{[failed verification]} etc according to how poor the edit is, and assuming it's not so bad that it would be best to revert it. All vandalism should be removed immediately it is detected. There are times when one can't be sure whether or not it's vandalism, so tagging a poor edit can be appropriate. Of course, going to the editor and asking them to address it themselves is something we often forget we can also do. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Msaskiw - @Nick Moyes Yah that helps alot! Thanks so much! Excited to start Patrolling Correctly!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Msaskiw (talk • contribs)

@Msaskiw: You really should learn how to reply properly on talk pages (by pinging) and to indent that reply (and to sign your reply, of course) before you start engaging with other editors via RCP, or you'll cause quite a bit of confusion if you drop by a users page with a personal note and forget to sign it with four tildes (like this: ~~~~ ), and Preview before publishing it.

My tip for good Recent Change patrolling is not to lurk at the top of the list all the time (everyone does, it seems), but look much lower down the list for things like changes to school articles (they get lots of vandalism); edit summaries like "fixed it" or "fixed typo" are obvious flags to be checked (use Ctrl-F to search the list for these keywords).

Use the ORES colour indicators to spot the most likely issues, and check the contributions of all editors who you revert, as one bad edit can reveal a pattern of many others. Keep monitoring their contributions, and even consider temporarily adding an article to your watchlist for a week to keep any eye on subsequent edits they might come back and make there.

Here are my favourite Recent Changes settings which filter out the least troublesome edits and flag up only the most likely to be problematic.

I also strongly advise enabling 'Navigation Popups' in Preferences>Gadgets] as this lets you very quickly view diffs, hist, IP contributions and other information just by hovering over the relevant link on the Recent Changes page - something the default mouse hover function does not offer you. And finally, don't fall into the trap of assuming all IP editors make bad edits; they don't. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

         Hi Nick Moyes, thanks for the tip on talk pages, For Recent Changes Patrolling I use wikiloop doublecheck so the advice on RC Patrolling so some of the                        advice doesnt apply but yes I will be sure to apply the others! Msaskiw (talk) 21:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, you indent your reply by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of your comment. Adding a space causes some weird formatting. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! Msaskiw (talk) 22:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem! If the convo goes too deep you can simply just use {{outdent}} which basically makes a line from the last comment to your comment to connect it with the previous comments above it while also making it so we don't end up going to the point where 1 letter is on the first line. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:13, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

And just a comment: the world desperately needs people who are prepared to check facts rather than just compete for the high-score on rapid reversions. The worst mess-ups in Wikipedia aren't the idiots who decide to tout their political views, write rude things about companies that have upset them, or praise their favourite sports personality. The worst mess-ups are the people who insert facts that might be right, but aren't quite, into a sentence that's already got a reference (which supports what the sentence originally said, not the new thing someone's just added). A common scenario is when an IP editor changes a birth-date by just one year. The RC-patrollers get all excited because they see "Possible vandalism or BLP issue" and an IP address, and someone knee-jerk-reverts as fast as they can hit their twinkle button, to make sure they get in first. But it's just possible the IP address editor actually knows what they're talking about. What the world needs is someone prepared to take the time to do some Google searching and see if just possibly the change is a correction. It often won't be, but surely it's better to check. Elemimele (talk) 22:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

My article is at the two month threshold to be reviewed.

Hello, fellow Wikipedians!

As the title says, my article has been waiting to be reviewed for 2 months now. Is there any way to expedite the process? I have been very much patient with my efforts. I understand Teahouse is not for reviewers, but can anyone give me a timeframe on how long I could be waiting since it has already been 2 months. The article did get declined once 2 months ago, but has since been fixed to the best of my knowledge. Godsentme1 (talk) 06:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1, how about reverting your removal of the "decline" template, which said it shouldn't be removed? -- Hoary (talk) 06:44, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hoary I just previously made an edit about 2 hours ago and removed that by a mistake. Can you assist on reverting it back, thanks for the catch appreciate it highly.Godsentme1 (talk) 07:01, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hoary I fixed that on my own, however, one thing I noticed about Wikipedia is you guys only respond to the negative. Still, my question has not been answered about how long can I be waiting for a review since it has been 2 months. Instead of answering the question, you go look to see what error you can find lol. I can assure you that was a mistake when I made an edit previously and it's fixed now the box is back never intentionally removed it. Now, how about actually answering the question I originally asked? Or I can't get an answer about that because it's not negative?Godsentme1 (talk) 07:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1, thank you for readding it. The simple answer is, I don't know. And nobody else does, either. Somebody is going to regard themselves as qualified to evaluate it, and will then evaluate it. I don't, so I won't. You seem somewhat annoyed: if you are, then since God sent you, you might ask Her to smite me. (I believe that smiting is Her thing.) Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 08:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, being extremely hostile to AfC reviewers, badgering and attacking them and making baseless accusations, is a) the exact opposite of "very much patient", b) not something that will help expedite a review, and c) likely to get you blocked if you should post anything like that again. Being patronising is not a blockable offence, but it certainly doesn't make it more likely that people will review the draft you created. --bonadea contributions talk 08:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hoary I was not annoyed. I apologize if it came off that way. Not here to make enemies thanks for your help in any way appreciate you! thanks and bonadea I was not rude to Hoary did not use foul language I asked a simple question. I did not attack him as well just asked a simple question again not here to make enemies so thank you for the information given.Godsentme1 (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Godsentme1: Well, your response to Hoary was not exactly polite, but the unveiled hostility and the patronising tone I mentioned was on the user talk page of the AfC reviewer – I linked to it in my post. Rudeness does not equal foul language, however, and you should be aware that you are skating on thin ice below, where you are again badgering people, making unfounded claims, and repeating yourself over and over. You have submitted the draft for review. Somebody will review it today or this week or next week or in a month's time or at some later point in time. The Teahouse is not the venue for that discussion, and you have two constructive choices if your aim is to improve Wikipedia: keep improving the draft, or forget about that draft and edit other articles. --bonadea contributions talk 20:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

bonadea Ok thanks for the information. Enjoy the rest of your day.Godsentme1 (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Godsentme1: I suspect one of the issues here is that there are lots of references but many that are not very useful under the WP:GNG rules. So here’s a trick to expedite the review: find the best three sources for the article and say which you think they are (either below the submission comments, or on the talk page of the article). (Do not remove other references, just say which three are most likely to establish notability.)

As the link explains, that makes it easy for the reviewer to check notability (as they only have to check three sources instead of 28). The flip side, of course, is that if those sources are found insufficient, you do not get to propose three more and the draft is toast. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Whatever happens to the draft, you should read bonadea’s advice above, too. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

And, —Godsentme1, there is no "two month threshold": that is an estimate, based on the number of drafts awaiting review. As others have explained, the actual time depends on whether and when a reviewer chooses to pick up a particular draft. --ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Tigraan Ok I hear you about the 3 references but please tell me how can these criteria be ignored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles The subject meets criteria one for musicians by having being published in several magazine articles not to mention the subject has also recently appeared on the Billboard charts. My issue now is why are we making this a problem when the subject meets the criteria for notability under those rules. How can we disregard that is what I'm trying to ask? I'm not being rude or hostile I'm addressing my point. My thing is yes there is 28 references but why are we making this that they have to be narrowed down to the top 3. Again please take a look at Wikipedia guidelines for notability here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles I never made these terms Wikipedia put these in place. I think we can't ignore these don't you agree?Godsentme1 (talk) 19:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Tigraan Written from Wikipedia's criteria it says: Under criteria 1 the subject is notable already under these Wikipedia guidelines. There is no need for the draft to be toast because we can't ignore this. How can we ignore these criteria terms set by Wikipedia? Again take a look below what I pasted from Wikipedia "Has been the subject of multiple nontrivial published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published and are independent of the musician or ensembles. Wikipedia wrote these terms into place so my question now is how do we overlook these. Again I'm not being hostile or rude in any manner I'm proving my point now. Also again the subject has recently appeared on the Billboard charts at position 9 of 25. I would like for a serious reviewer to view my claims and see that the draft gets published seeing that the subject meets the criteria for notability. I think we all can come together and agree on this and publish it today. I've shown and spoken my case about how is the subject notable and I have high valid points.Godsentme1 (talk) 19:38, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.

1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases.

Also Tigraan how I believe it should be is that a reviewer should review all the references because we all know the subject is notable. If he was not then I do not believe you would be even saying to narrow it down to three. You would have just said the subject is not notable. Instead of us playing a game of Russian roulette where you want to have me place 3 references on the talk page then if I don't pick the right ones then the draft is toast? All links should be looked at. Again we all know that the subject is notable so why play Russian roulette to get the draft taken down purposely? It does not make any sense why was that even mentioned when again the subject is notable per "Wikipedia's" guidelines. I'm not attacking or being rude in any way just simply explaining my point. The draft should be published as it highly meets the criteria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles

And I believe you know that it meets the criteria. So instead of being so hard on me please just take the time to look at my points they are very valid.Godsentme1 (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1, Tigraan invited you to find the best three sources for the article and say which you think they are (either below the submission comments, or on the talk page of the article). I see that atop the draft, you have nominated four: (i) Sheen Magazine – AJDAGURU Releases “Love Yourself” Video; (ii) AJDaGuru's passionate new song "Love Yourself" - Singersroom.com; (iii) AJDaGuru Is What The Game’s Been Missing! - Hip Hop Weekly; (iv) AJDaGuru Shares Visuals for Seen It All - AllHipHop. Thank you. Now wait and see what the next reviewer makes of them. -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1, you seem to believe that you know more about the applicability of Wikipedia guidelines than reviewers of Articles for Creation and Teahouse responders, who are therefore obtuse for not deferring to your superior judgement. It is possible that you are very intelligent and extremely familiar with the guidelines, but considering that you have been here for two days and twenty edits, the latter is unlikely to be the case. And even so, just asserting things will not convince anyone that you need to convince.

Furthermore, about we all know the subject is notable... I am afraid "we" know nothing of the sort. I did not know that person existed before reading your draft. But then, I could cite at most three hip-hop artists, so I do not know much about that area. I suspect you do not know all three of Hypathia, Michael Faraday, or Zulfikar Ali Bhutto either, even if they are all notable persons in their respective fields. The way we decide if persons are notable is not by the assertion of knowledgeable editors, but from the sources.

Finally, you say that if [the subject was not notable] then I do not believe you would be even saying to narrow it down to three.. If you had read the link to WP:THREE I gave you, which is not a long read, you would have seen the second paragraph which says Often, there will be a lot of references in an article, many of which use poor sources. I'm not willing to slog through dozens of sources to evaluate them. I am, however, willing to look at a few sources in detail if somebody else (i.e. you) does the footwork to figure out which ones are the best.

To improve the quality of your future interactions with other editors, I suggest to read the wikilinks they gave you, and to keep your future posts concise. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Tigraan I'm not saying I know it all but I was saying to sum it up how can we ignore what Wikipedia deems as a notable musician. I read the terms and what stand out to me is the terms saying that if the subject meets one of the following that makes him notable. I feel the subject does meet one of the criteria and I feel like the reviewers were blantanly ignoring that. If it says the subject has appeared in multiple magazine articles and that makes him notable what I'm not understanding is how we get to ignore that?Godsentme1 (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Godsentme1: Please stop accusing the experienced volunteer reviewers, who use their spare time to review the draft you have created about your client, of ignoring Wikipedia policies. what stand out to me is the terms saying that if the subject meets one of the following that makes him notable No, that is not what it says. You quoted the guideline above: Musicians or ensembles [...] may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria. The important word here is may be notable. And then, If it says the subject has appeared in multiple magazine articles and that makes him notable – also not what it says. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works; here the key is non-trivial. A previous reviewer explained that what is necessary is in-depth coverage. In other words, there may or may not be in-depth/non-trivial coverage, and that may or may not mean that he is notable. --bonadea contributions talk 22:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

bonadea Ok you win won't say a word about this again there is no need to when It's one against all. Thank you for the info highly appreciative for your effortsGodsentme1 (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

When editors disagree

This isn't a question about the formal conflict resolution processes Wikipedia offers; I'm aware of them. I'd just like to ask if anyone more experienced than I am knows of a satisfying way to deal with people who won't be persuaded. Most of my edits are small and non-controversial, but occasionally I feel the need to make a change to an article that ends with me disagreeing with some specific person who presumably has it on their watchlist. In these situations, the other person usually gets their way because they're willing to put more energy into arguing their point than I can spare arguing mine. It's depressing to spend half an hour making changes and then being asked to essentially write a legal brief on top of that in order for your changes to stick. I'm not trying to call anyone out here: this has happened to me a few times on a few wide-ranging subjects, so I suspect it's uncommon but universal. Is there any way to make this easier? It makes me want to not bother with editing some pages at all. Tisnec (talk) 21:54, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Some editors toe the line of being juuust tendentious enough to ward others off editing certain areas; I think we've all ran into these in our time.

However, I can also understand the frustration of someone coming along and making a very large-scale change to an article without discussing it first; I know I've often opened my watchlist and thought 'ah fuck, what now', as these edits often take a good while to revert and dig through, especially if it's not clear what's been usefully added and what needs to go.

My advice would be that some articles are more stress than they're worth, but if you're running into arguments this often, you might want to consider proposing your changes, or even just leaving a note of what you plan to do, on the Talk page before editing, and mention that in your edit summary. It tends to make everything a lot easier.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 22:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Ineffablebookkeeper summed it up perfectly. I would also add my two cents, which is that if it's just one editor, it might be worth a Third Opinion request sometimes, to let another editor take the burden off the two of you going back and forth with speeches falling on deaf ears. It also helps the encyclopedia because your edit might indeed be an improvement, and needs independent eyes to get it past a stubborn gatekeeper. But if the topic is inconsequential to you, then I suggest swallowing your pride, ignoring the annoying editor, and working on a different article or topic, because there is so much work that needs done on here. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

It's also worth bearing in mind that Wikipedia is not the only source of information in the world. In fact quite often it's not the top Google-hit. So if you encounter one of those articles where someone just bores you into submission by mildly-patronising quibbles about everything you add, or vague hints that they have access to sources and knowledge that you do not, and (my favourite) pseudo-mentoring encouragement with suggestions that you are of course quite right to try to improve the article and you should just go off and do some reading up and write it the way they suggest, then remind yourself: they can have their personal narrow-minded puddle of mediocrity in Wikipedia if they like; someone with a broader view will be writing something better, somewhere else, and it too will appear in Google searches. Ultimately WP will catch up. There is time, there is always time... (hey, and I don't harbour any grudges, honestly!) Elemimele (talk) 22:40, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I have had some success by using WP:RFC (or even WP:NPOV/N) when it's obvious than someone is trying to take ownership of an article in a way that doesn't reflect genuine consensus, but it's often far more trouble than it's worth. Theknightwho (talk) 00:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Received a message from Verbcatcher‬ - need clarification on why all my changes were "reverted"

Hello I spent many hours editing the Jack Armstrong artist page. I received a message from user Verbcatcher‬ that all the images of his art, plus all my content edits / citings were "reverted". So I lost all my effort. What do I need to do as the edit requests are coming from the artist himself? Luxlife (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Luxlife and welcome to the Teahouse! Since you apparently have a conflict of interest - WP:COI - you should not be editing the article directly except to make very small, uncontroversial changes, like correcting typos. I've left more info on your talk page. You can request edits on the talk page of the article - Talk:Jack Armstrong (artist). It's best to keep the requests specific, short and sweet, backed up by reliable sources (see WP:Verifiability), so other editors can check the content and add them easily. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, if the artist is paying you to edit the page see WP:PAID and follow the instructions there. If you are being paid this is not optional and is required. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:20, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I have not been or will be paid by the artist to modify his Wiki page. He does not know how and asked me to help. Luxlife (talk) 20:35, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Lifelux

Then you don't need to make a paid editing declaration, but you still have a conflict of interest to declare. On top of all that, Luxlife, you uploaded a number of images which have been tagged as possible copyright violations. A deletion discussion is taking place here - you may want to participate. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Also pinging Verbcatcher in case they want to contribute to this discussion. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping. I gave my reasons for reverting these edits in my edit summary: "Roll-back deletion of sourced content that may be critical of the subject and addition of promotional text". The promotional text included "His body of work and reputation as the leader of this art-form, have made him world renowned." The sentence "His paintings currently sell for $10 million to $113 million" is misleading because these are the asking prices, the source does not say that his paintings have been sold for these amounts. I noticed that Luxlife had also deleted some unsouced content, I then deleted this myself after the revert. We do not remove content solely because a subject of the article does not like it. If there is a good reason to delete something then please explain why at Talk:Jack Armstrong (artist). Please discuss the image files at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by User:Luxlife. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

To Verbcatcher. Thanks for the reply. I understand. I can change the text to "His paintings are currently for sale between $10 million to $113 million" Text was removed regarding the rape case. It was an extortion attempt by the accuser. The PD privately dropped the case, but neither Jack or I have seen any published articles stating that, so I can't add a citing. I will not add citing links to my The Life of Luxury site, even though I am not being paid for this. I can reference other sources. We both have serious health issues and are helping each other. Do you approve of these requests? Regards, James Kelly

To Verbcatcher. Jack also wants to add more to his "LIFE" section. A new third-party site was built to sell his artwork. - http://artgallery.shrinkstack.com/ The "About" page has wonderful facts about his amazing career. Can some of these facts be added and cited to that website? I'm just trying to help him since he's not computer savvy. Regards, James Kelly

@Luxlife: please discuss these issues on the article talk page − Talk:Jack Armstrong (artist). There may be a case for removing mention of the rape case, please see the guideline at WP:SUSPECT. In my view, artgallery.shrinkstack.com is not sufficiently independent to cite as a source for Wikipedia. Verbcatcher (talk) 02:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

No response from wikipedia regarding my first page, Indovedic.

Dear all, a few months ago, I tried to create my first ever Wkipedia page. To my knowledge I followed the instructions, and was able to submit the page for approval. I even received a welcome email from Wikipedia which included advice on posting and editing. However, in spite of this, a good deal more than 7 weeks (which I thought was how long I would have to wait) have passed, and I have still heard no news about my page, whether it has been accepted, or what I need to do. So I am unsure as to how to proceed: do I need to start everything again from scratch? I am perplexed, and would be very grateful for direction. UsadaBali (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC) UsadaBali (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

UsadaBali if you are referring to draft:Indovedic, your draft was declined on October 2, 2021 because it was not adequately supported by reliable sources. You provided External links, but there are no references within your article. If you edited the draft and thought that you resubmitted it a second time that was not done. I hope this helps explain the status of your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

It may help you to read Your first article, and Citing sources. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@UsadaBali I'm sorry for commenting in sections, but I went back to read your draft article and noticed it began "The term ‘Indovedic’ refers to an approach to wellness, and an emerging category of therapies and cuisine, first developed by Usada Bali...." Since your user name is the same as the developer of the wellness approach you are writing about it would be good for you to read: Conflict of interest. Is this an approach that you came up with, or did you just make a mistake and name your user account after what you decided to write about? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and should not be used for promotion of any kind. You write about an approach to wellness, but fail to mention why it is notable. Is it taught anywhere, has anyone not connected with you written published articles about Indovedic? It appears as though it would take a great deal of work to make your article able to be accepted by a reviewer. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

No references = automatic declined. David notMD (talk) 03:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

This page no longer needs protection. How do we unprotect it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshuman Teamuk20 (talk) 05:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Teamuk20: I would say that you asking the question means that the page still needs protection. It was protected to prevent hijacking, and you attempted to do that to another article earlier today.[11] —C.Fred (talk) 05:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Teamuk20: Please stop creating so many accounts. There are no reliable sources - like newspapers, books - writing on the musician Anshuman Tiwari, so as of now no article on him can be written in Wikipedia. I'll go ahead and ping your other accounts @Teamuk18, @Teamuk21 (for others, see the SPI) Hemanthah (talk) 05:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Question

Can I use translation apps like Deepl for publishing wiki articles from foreign language to English or vice versa? Thanks. NewManila2000 (talk) 06:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@NewManila2000: We'd prefer it if you didn't. Translation software still has major flaws so that it cannot completely replace a human writer, so do not rely solely on software to do the work for you. You may use it as a tool to help you, but in my opinion, if you cannot translate text without help, you probably aren't fluent enough in that other language to write a quality English article. Note that translations must still meet the English Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Just because a subject has an article in a different language does not automatically mean it's notable enough here. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Are paraphrasing apps prohibited from using it for Wikipedia? I am an extended confirmed user and wasn't able to translate wiki pages. NewManila2000 (talk) 06:33, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@NewManila2000: Are you looking for Wikipedia:Content translation tool? You have to go turn it on in your preferences; the page has instructions. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have turned it on but when I try to do translation, it will appear a message saying, On the English Wikipedia machine translation is disabled for all users and this tool is limited to extended confirmed editors (see WP:CXT). NewManila2000 (talk) 06:50, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@NewManila2000: Yup, machine translation is turned off in that tool (see here). You're still free to use the tool to manually translate. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Donation Begging

back in September I donated $50 to wiki... obviously not enough as you are begging for more. Sad 122.57.144.47 (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

No, "we" are not asking for your money. Wikipedia editors have nothing to do with the annoying fundraising banners. They are plastered all over the place by the Wikimedia Foundation, and the volunteer editors have no input into what they say, or who is forced to see them. Or, indeed, whether the banners are there or not. The money goes to the WMF, not to Wikipedia. --bonadea contributions talk 09:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

how do i clse an rfd i started by myself

please help im trying to get an rfd i started by error closed HelixxUnderscore (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Seems like it's already been closed.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Image Upload under Fair use clause

Hello. Can I upload the image that portrays student protests to English Wikipedia from this article of the Guardian under fair use clause? Thanks in advance. Mosesheron II (talk) 09:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC) Mosesheron II (talk) 09:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

hi Mosesheron II! unfortunately you cannot add the image under fair use, from the fair use guidelines it states that fair use images can only be added if no free image exists for the same purpose, and there seem to be a couple of free alternatives: Commons:File:Edinburgh Students Protest in London.JPG which has already been uploaded would probably do as well. happy editing! melecie t - 11:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

eggs over easy

eggs over easy: eggs over easy directs to a barely known country rock band and has a redirect to the dish. should this be the other way around? (in other words, the article should redirect to the dish and have a disamb there... thank you. I don't know how to do this myself. 61.77.154.212 (talk) 10:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Done Maproom (talk) 11:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

But Eggs over Easy (note the capitalistion) is still about the band. Maproom (talk) 11:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Maproom. -61.77.154.212 (talk) 11:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Lost access to email account

I previously edited a Wikipedia technical article, but then lost access to my email account due to unexpected early retirement. How can I gain access to my previous edits with my new email account?

I searched for Help on this but could find nothing applicable. Staran W (talk) 02:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Staran W: Wikipedia edits are associated with your Wikipedia account/username, not your email address. If you know your old username and still have the password, you can log in to that account and change your email address in Preferences. If you don't have your old password, I'm not sure of the solution but someone might know at the village pump (technical). ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 03:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Staran W, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if you no longer have the password or access to the email, then there is no way of recovering your old account (I see you have created a new one); but as Claudine says, you can do everything that you did on your old account with your new one - including editing your old user page and any sandboxes, if you wish. What I suggest is to put a note on both User:Staran W (which doesn't yet exist) and your old user page explaining that you have lost access to your old account, and Staran W is the same editor. --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

AFC

Is there any possible way of knowing if an article has come via afc or has been directly moved? It is necessary to know, when I visit new pages. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 14:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the edit history of the article should allow you to see how the article arrived in Main Space. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Most times if it was accepted though the AFC helper script it will also automatically have the AFC Project banner on the talk page. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 15:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Does the AfC process date back to Wikipedia's early years? David notMD (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: No, see User:Jéské Couriano/A brief history of AfC. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Another possibly useful tool, Itcouldbepossible is to go into the "Page information" link on the menu next to the article and, from there, click on the timestamp on the "Date of page creation". This will show the actual OID corresponding to the first version of the page — which can be a revelation for very heavily edited old pages. For a modern article that went through AfC, that version will include the AfC banner. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull From where can I get the page information link? I don't have it. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 03:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mcmatter And what is the AFC banner like? ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 03:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The banner would be like the one seen at Talk:Clean Games an article that was accepted through the AFC process. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 03:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull For example consider this, ←Created page with 'Scribonius Aphrodisius was grammarian of ancient Rome. He was originally a slave and disciple of the grammarian Lucius Orbilius Pupillus, who was a...'. What will I understand from this? ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 03:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

On my browser, when I visit the page Scribonius Aphrodisius, there is a list of menu items on the left of the visible article, starting with the Wikipedia logo and then continuing with links to various other stuff. Even this Teahouse page has them. One of these links (under Tools) is "Page information". Clicking on that takes me to detailed information about the page being viewed. For Scribonius Aphrodisius, this has information including that it was first created on 22 February 2016: clicking on that timestamp takes you here to the very first version of the page. There is no AfC banner in this case, which is confirmed using the "view history" tab also available along the top right of all pages (mobile phone versions may be different, I'm describing my PC). That article hasn't been edited very much so its first creation timestamp is easily visible at the bottom of the history page and we see that it was created directly in Main Space by Fordmadoxfraud. I hope this helps, Itcouldbepossible. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:47, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Incidentally, the "Created page with...." stuff is Fordmadoxfraud's edit summary. In this case it is a very good summary of what he did. I would encourage you to read about the use of edit summaries. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks, I understood what you said. ― Itcouldbepossible ^Talk 13:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Article declined for the second time when it meets notability criteria 1

I need help. this situation has turned into something that's bigger than me. For the second time around my article has been declined even when I stated in the comments that the subject meets the notable criteria under option 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles The reviewers are overlooking this and just declined the article for a billboard chart lyric when the claim to notable was not charting. The claim is for the subject appearing in multiple magazine articles independent of the subject. So can someone please help me. I can't wrap my head around how are reviewers able to ignore the criteria and continue to deny the article. I waited 2 months for a review and the reviewer does not look at the fact that the subject is notable in other categories. At this point I feel I need to be helped by someone in high position to look this over. Please can someone help me with this, I'm crying out loud at this point and can't understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AJDaGuru Godsentme1 (talk) 23:03, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Please see the most recent message(s) added to this thread above. -- Hoary (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1 Courtesy: Draft:AJDaGuru has been declined twice, revised and resubmitted. It will be in the hands of the next reviewer who decides to review it. There is no "...someone in high position to look this over." The review system is not a queue, so could be days, weeks, or sadly, months, waiting for a review. In a response to a suggestion posted at Teahouse, you have identified in a comment what you believe to be the strong references that confirm his notability and reduced the over-referencing. Good. David notMD (talk) 08:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:TOOSOON may be relevant here. Perhaps after his album is released and reviewed there will be more to reference, to establish notability. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1 What - if any - is your personal or paid connection to AJDaGuru? I ask because you created your account on 8 October with the start of a draft on AJ, and this has been the only article you have edited. And you have been adamant that an article about AJ must be approved. If not personal/paid, I recommend you state that on your Talk page. If either personal or paid apply, then that information must be stated on your User page. See WP:COI and WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

David notMD We meet again. Want to point out you helped in the biggest way and I appreciate you. But I read the too soon section and I strongly feel like the subject does not fit under that section. Toosoon says that if subject does not have reliable independent sources then it's to soon for a article. The subject has over 3 reliable sources plastered at the top of the page which are from magazine articles. The subject will not be releasing his album this year due to a unknown reason it was pushed back, but I believe we don't need to wait for an album to release when there is clearly over 3 reliable sources covering him in-depth. You guys might not like the sources but that doesn't mean they are not there. Thanks for all you've have done I just wanted to put my input off your comment made earlier. Thabk you David! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsentme1 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Godsentme1, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if I may chime in, you mentioned in the title that “Article declined for the second time when it meets notability criteria 1” id like to say that this is a very common error even veteran editors here make as they misinterpret or inadvertently misrepresent information. You see, WP:MUSICBIO isn’t an WP:SNG for musicians, rather it is indicative of notability but does not necessarily translate to notability both aren’t the same. Read WP:NM for a more detailed explanation. Celestina007 (talk) 17:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007 I just seen your message just now, I read the info you pointed out but I strongly feel the subject falls under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles criteria number 1. I think we should really read that over and see that the subject falls under that particular category. I read that section plenty of times to make sure I'm not reading it wrong. The subject is a rapper, singer, producer so I don't see how he does not fall under that category correct me if I'm wrong? also looked at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) and for sure I strongly feel the subject fits under criteria 1 his works has been featured in multiple magazines just like Wikipedia stated? I'm just lost to how can we ignore whats written in Wikipedia terms? Godsentme1 (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Godsentme1, hello once again, I do not believe you are listening nor bothering to read relevant policy or guidelines giving to you. Let’s take a look at WP:NM which I told you to read, it clearly and expressly states “Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept” so as I stated, meeting a criterion there doesn’t translate to notability but merely indicates that the subject may be notable. My mate and veteran host David notMD mentions something about WP:PAID and honestly I’m inclined to believe this. If you continue at this rate, your editing privileges may be revoked under the grounds of WP:NOTHERE or WP:SPA and we would really hate to see that happen. Please I implore you to slow down and learn. Celestina007 (talk) 14:12, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hi all. My first visit here. I have been enjoying writing and editing for a week now. It was helpful to study the structure of other articles and I read through the helpful links that I received on my talk page from User:I dream of horses I also used the edit guide from my own home page, very helpful! I have written a number of articles and lists that I think follow all the guides, but I think I should pause after writing Patrick Cunnane. It is a biography of a living person and it seems there are more requirements for this type of article. I am hoping someone can look at it for me. I am also hoping I did not violated the biography requirements, and that there are enough references in the article.

The salmon colored warning when you click edit worried me.

Thank you Bruxton (talk) 03:33, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Bruxton I read through your article, but I wasn’t told why Patrick Cunnane is notable. In your second sentence I was told he was CEO of a business that went bankrupt. I learned he was taken to a sit-in protest when he was eleven, he attended community college before obtaining a degree in history, he managed a business pressured by President Trump’s tariffs, and his wife is a congressman. I wanted to learn why he was in a Hall of Fame, but the citation required me to enter my email before reading a free article, and I won’t do that.

I didn’t check all of your references but 1 and 10 are about family members, 3 gives the first sentence of an article to non-subscribers, 6 lists him as being a speaker at a conference, and 8 states his business was sold at a bankruptcy sale. If being a CEO of a bicycle business makes him notable, then tell why he is more important than other people who run businesses. You will need to find some references that tell about his life, instead of just giving him a mention in passing. You did a great deal of work on your article, and you formatted everything correctly. But I have serious doubts as to whether Mr. Cunnane is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

As a separate issue, your draft about the book "Ocean Prey" was declined, you did edits, and then you moved it to main space yourself rather than resubmitting to AfC. See Ocean Prey. I strongly recommend that after a decline, a draft be revised and resubmitted. The fact that it was declined indicates weaknesses that you are too close to the topic to see. As for the Cunnane article - which was created in mail space without going through AfC - I agree that there was content not relevant to his purported notability, and weak references. I removed content. It is possible that New Pages Patrol will convert this to draft status, for you to do more work. David notMD (talk) 11:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Karenthewriter: Thanks so much for the advice and help. I will move the business person to draft. I very much appreciate the help. I am trying my hand at creating different types of articles and the living person may be the most challenging. @David notMD: Regarding the novel I did what the editor said regarding adding more than just plot, and I added more references. I then resubmitted it and waited. I should have been more patient waiting. Thanks again for your time and knowledge! Bruxton (talk) 14:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Citation

Is it okay to cite a "personal observation" of an insect/tree/plant/living thing? Like, I am working on an article for Polypleurus perforatus. Recently, I have seen lots of these, and observed them doing things. Can I cite these observations? Does that count? Cerambycidfreak (talk) 15:56, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Cerambycidfreak Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you may find reading the WP:BLUE essay helpful. (This is not a policy but a guide) You do not need to cite basic information that is common knowledge, like the color of a plant. But you do need to cite things that involve research with conclusions. 331dot (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes I just have a lot of observations like what logs I've found them under, what types of fungus they were feeding on, stuff like that.Is it okay to put that stuff in the article, like "they are often under Quercus logs, feeding on Golden Reishi." And then cite it as "Personal Observation, S. Eckhardt, 12/9/21"? Cerambycidfreak (talk) 16:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

No. Your observations are considered original research, and not allowed. You need to find published content to cite. There is a grey area in which experts in a field want to cite their own publications, but even this should be avoided. David notMD (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Cerambycidfreak (ec) I would say that is not appropriate, because there is no way to verify your observations or to know if they are typical for the species(which could only be found through scientific research). This would also be the case even if you are a recognized scientist or expert in the field. If you are a layperson, your observations aren't particularly notable even if accurate. (No offense intended, just saying) 331dot (talk) 16:26, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

What beta do?

Uh. I never tried on Android and website. I didnt know what is Beta. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features NB4ITYTWP (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, NB4ITYTWP, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is it about that page that you don't understand? --ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Its the beta features NB4ITYTWP (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

New Article - Review

Hello,

I'm working on a new article and was wondering if it is possible to get a quick eye to make sure I'm on the right track?

Is this possible?

Thank you! Twills009 (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

COURTESY: At User:Twills009/sandbox. David notMD (talk) 16:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Twills009: hello, welcome to the teahouse!

A couple of things to bear in mind.

You need to show that this person meets wikipedias defintion of a Notable person, you do this by showing that the person has been covered in reliable sources that are independent of the article subject, think of things like news coverage, mentions in books and magazine articles. At the moment you have sourced this to his own podcast, his own book, his linked in profile and a website he writes for. None of these are considered independent.
Per WP:BLP all information in biographies of living people needs to be backed up by a reliable source, things like dates of birth, spouses, children etc need to be backed up by inline citations.
You should not have external links in the main text of the article, these should be in a separate "external links" section at the bottom of the page.
The page could use a light copyedit for tone, there are parts of it that are rather promotional (e.g. "A nationally recognized expert") and a few too many quotations from the article subject in my opinion.

The biggest issue you need to address is the first point - you need to find some independant coverage of this person or the article won't be accepted by a reviewer and would probably end up deleted if moved to article space. Hope this helps, 192.76.8.80 (talk) 16:53, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Based on a brief search for independent sources, I don't believe that Richard Del Monte meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

page and sandbox deleted.

Hi all, I am trying to prepare my first page. I used some material from my personal webppage in order to have some first text and work on it. Due to this fact my page was removed and I cannot find my work in order to go on changing the text. Additionally, I used a photo of me that it is not published anywhere else. I can see the problem of Wikipedia with the copyright issues but it is rather difficult from me to start writing all over again. Is there anyone who can help me find my previous page ? Of course I am not a professional editor in wikipedia. Ilias.stavrakas (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

you wrote above that the content was from your personal web page. but it was removed for copyright infringement as being from Electronic Devices and Materials Lab, University of West Attica web page. Also, Wikipedia frowns on autobiography. See WP:AUTO for reasons. David notMD (talk) 16:18, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I see your point. In universities we are providing the information that will be published on line and it is common to also do the editing. In any case it was not an attempt for autobiography. I think that I will ask for professional help to prepare something that will meet the wikipedia's requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilias.stavrakas (talk • contribs)

Hello, Ilias.stavrakas, and welcome to the Teahouse. Because of the nature of Wikipedia, "professional help" hardly exists. There are certainly people who will take your money to create a Wikipedia article: perhaps some of them are honest, and will be open about the fact that they cannot guarantee that they can create an article that will be accepted, or that if they do the article will contain what you want it to contain; many are scammers.

The problem with your user page and sandbox were that they were copyright violations: you need to start right from the beginning using your own words, not the words of an existing resource.

If you want advice and assistance from experienced Wikipedia editors (all of whom are volunteers) here is a good place to ask. I advise starting with some of the links that EDM fan 2 has already put on your user talk page, especially your first article. Before writing a single word of an article you should look for the independent sources which are required to establish that the subject is notable,or you risk having all your work wasted. If you are writing about yourself, your department, or your work, those sources will not include anything written or published by you or your institution. It is unlikely that your own website will be of much use to you in any article that you write.

My standard advice to all new editors who try the extremely difficult task of creating an encyclopaedia article is to put that aside for a few months while they work on improving some of our six million existing articles, and learn how Wikipedia works. Doing so is likely to save you a lot of frustration and disappointment. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I will take into consideration all your comments. Professional is not necessarily paid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilias.stavrakas (talk • contribs) 17:15, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki entry entry for 'James Michie' poet and contributor to the Spectator.

In the last few days the Wiki entry for James Michie, poet and contributor to the Spectator has been changed. For more than a year the entry correctly noted that in his poem Friendly Fire, Michie called for the 'comprehensive extermination' of the Scottish Race and Nation of six million souls. The reference to the poet's call for genocide which had been part of the Wiki entry for more than a year has been removed on about 9th December 2021. As the claim that Michie was demanding genocide was clearly correct why was it removed. As this call for the extermination of every Scot was published by Spectator Editor and Conservative Leader Boris Johnson it is likely that their will be attempts to remove the references to genocide for political reasons. Dragonsteethred (talk) 18:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: James Michie Maproom (talk) 18:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Your claim that "Michie was demanding genocide" is unfounded. The source cited (until the whole paragraph was deleted) concedes that the poem was intended as satire. Maproom (talk) 18:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Western Wheel Works

Hi. I wanted to create an article for Western Wheel Works, However I see that it was deleted. I went to the talk page of the the person who deleted it to ask questions because that is what it says when I try to create the article. But it seems the person who deleted the article is no longer able to help. I wonder if anyone here can tell me if it is ok to create this article. Or should I do it in AFC? or Draft? Bruxton (talk) 16:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

WWW was deleted so long ago (2011) that there is no relevance to you wanting to create an article. If you feel that based on your experience, you can create a valid article without needing to go through draft/AfC, then do it. Worst case - New Pages Patrol flips it to draft. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again @David notMD:. I will give it a go. Bruxton (talk) 16:51, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bruxton It's quite a nice start, do you have any more sources about the later history of the company? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I am seeing that they were part of a trust in 1899. Before anti-trust cases. The trust could control 95% of the bicycle market. https://newspaperarchive.com/other-articles-clipping-jul-29-1899-2876239/ More research is requiredBruxton (talk) 18:48, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Anurag Chrimar

FYI

– Added section heading – ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs)

My article is getting rejected every time. Kindly notify me in which particular area I am doing the mistake. AnuragHitech (talk) 09:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@AnuragHitech: You are wasting the time of all those volunteers here who try to assist in building this encyclopaedia. You have deleted two "declines" from your draft, by KylieTastic on 2 December and by CNMall41 on 7 December, leaving just the latest decline from Eagleash on 8 Decemeber. The draft itself purports to be a biography of a living person (you?) but fails completely to demonstrate that this person is one of the few of the seven billion+ people on this planet who are noteworthy enough to merit an article here. Use social media, if you wish, to promote Anurag Chrimar, not Wikipedia. The one substandard reference you cite for Chrimar is based on an interview of him in a newspaper article that isn't even about him, so not independent of him and not significant coverage. Give up! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Restored two Declines. There are no references about Chrimar. No refs = no article. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thank you for the ping; my bad, I did not pick up on the earlier declines or I probably would have rejected the draft. The creator has now asked for AfC help via my my talk page. I have responded there as best I can. FWIW, there is a duplicate item at Draft:Anurag Chirimar which it seems was speedily deleted per a message at the creator's TP but has been re-created. Eagleash (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

For the sake of putting this to bed, I did an independent search for references to see if the subject of the proposed biography would meet WP:ANYBIO. Unfortunately, there is nothing that rises even close to that threshold. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:50, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Help getting started

Hello there hosts, Who can help me get started on here and understand all the things you need to do to be successful on here. Thanks Heavymetalmaniacforever (talk) 18:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Heavymetalmaniacforever, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m afraid there is nothing like being “successful” here, using the word “success” implies that there are editors who are “failures” here which is not true. We are all volunteers here and are equals, regardless of title, length of services, edit count and whatnot. So it’s like I said, there is nothing like being “successful” I believe what you want to say is “how may I be better at editing” correct me if I’m wrong, but if you want to learn how to edit better then I suggest you begin with WP:ADVENTURE then proceed to read WP:TUTORIAL. Celestina007 (talk) 19:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Page for Author Kevin Brown (author)

Please allow me to delete this page. In the alternative, can a Wiki editor do it for me?

I tried to "tone" it down, and to make it mirror my website.

I'd rather have nothing on Wikipedia if I can't have my corrections. Kevinanthonybrown (talk) 19:16, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kevinanthonybrown, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, first off let us begin with this; it is not “your” article, it is an article about you. Secondly Wikipedia is about verifiable information through reliable sources and not necessarily what is “truth” or what the “truth” is. Furthermore Wikipedia is not a venue to introduce original research. Celestina007 (talk) 19:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

courtesy like Kevin Brown (author) Karenthewriter (talk) 19:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Kevinanthonybrown the article has been tagged since February 2011 for possibly not meeting notability requirements, so someone may propose it be deleted. See Proposed deletion for more information. However, as the subject of the article I don't believe you should be trying to delete it. Karenthewriter (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Rafael Obligado

What should the name of this town be in the English Wikipedia? Note that it can't be Rafael Obligado because that is the town's namesake. Please ping me. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Paul Vaurie: I suggest "Rafael Obligado (town)". Maproom (talk) 19:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Should test pages in userspaces be deleted by their authors after testing is complete?

I created a page for testing that is now deleted. It was in my userspace.

I requested deletion of it because I was done testing and completed test pages just hog up storage in Wikipedia's database. Was this the right thing to do? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 20:39, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here: Deleting pages doesn't save any server space, the wikipedia database never actually deletes anything, it just flags it as deleted. Any administrator can undelete the page for you upon request. Whether you want to delete pages is a personal choice up to you. Most people have a permanent sandbox for doing tests, but if you need/want to create temporary pages for testing different things (like transclusion) then go ahead. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 20:47, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

That helps. Thanks! I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 20:51, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I revert more than three times a day on a test page such as the Sandbox?

What if on the Sandbox, I revert more than three times in a day?

Will I get banned? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 23:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The sandbox is intended for editing tests, and is actually regularly blanked by a bot, so I would assume not. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

So the sandbox is sort of a special page that no one gets blocked for blanking? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 00:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here: You can revert your own edits as much as you like (within reason, doing obviously stupid stuff like reverting and un-reverting yourself dozens of times on an article is likely to be lead to a disruptive editing block), it's one of the standard edit warring exceptions (see WP:3RRNO). Repeatedly reverting edits from someone else trying to use the sandbox probably would be seen as disruptive though. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 23:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks! I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 00:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikilink is red or links to disambiguation page

Hi there, I’m trying to link the Wikipedia article for the Canadian restaurant Harvey’s on the Wikipedia article for the parent company Recipe Unlimited but when I format it normally the link is red when published. When I remove the apostrophe, the link goes to the disambiguation page. I’m not sure why Harvey’s isn’t linking to the correct article. I believe the format matches the actual articles title. How can I fix this? Lavenderlesbian (talk) 02:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Lavenderlesbian: Hello, welcome to the teahouse!

The issue here is that the article is called Harvey's, while you added a link to Harvey’s → the issue here is that the first one uses a straight apostrophe, the second uses a curly apostrophe. Generally the guidance on Wikipedia is to avoid curly apostrophes (MOS:APOSTROPHE) so I've swapped the apostrophe in the link you added. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 02:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It seems the problem was fixed by an IP editor here; the problem was the type of apostrophe used--Wikipedia avoids the "curly" apostrophe or quote marks and using them in an article title can leave a red link if a redirect has not been set up. Where possible try to use the "straight" apostrophe (') if you're having this issue with other links. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 02:15, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Way to go. THIS is precisely the cooperation required for the project to succeed. Everybody helping makes for light work. Well done! Aloha27 talk 02:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there any way I can help my draft for an article get reviewed more quickly?

Hi, I'm a new editor who put my draft for Draft: Lizard Boy the Musical up for review about 3 weeks ago. I was wondering if there was anything I could do to improve the article or to help it get reviewed more quickly?

I'd really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks! Zingydingy (talk) 23:34, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Not really. By the way, I've fixed the link; you use double-square brackets for internal links (i.e. [[(page name)]]). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

To improve the article, Zingydingy? Yes. Instead of merely citing the reviews, summarize what they say. And reduce the volume of the synopsis. -- Hoary (talk) 00:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Zingydingy, I agree with Hoary. The plot summary is much too long. The most commmon way to show that a creative work is notable is to summarize the reception to the work by critics writing for reliable media sources. Cullen328 (talk) 02:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Cyberbullying?

Hi I’m an IP address who occasionally edits Wikipedia, when I see mistakes or see things I feel could be improved. But, for reasons that are unclear, I am being relentlessly followed around by an editor who is undoing every edit I do, giving vague reasons for doing so that are almost always inapplicable. At first, I altered what I’d written when I restored my edits to cater to what they said I had done wrong, but then they undid it again anyway. Their username is Unbh, and despite having just thirty or so edits, they seem very experienced on Wikipedia. A sock puppet perhaps? Anyway, it seems they are targeting me for kicks and I feel it is damaging my mental health. Could anyone help me? 222.153.41.39 (talk) 03:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Many, perhaps even dozens of editors (including me) have reverted change you have made, not just Unbh, and most of those have given reasons in their edit summaries. Often the recommendation is to provide valid references for your additions, or take disputed content to the Talk pages of those article versus reverting the reverts. Furthermore, you have been warned on your Talk page by several editors, and have blanked that content. You have also accused Unbh of being a troll or a sockpuppet without providing any evidence. The proper path for disputes is to try to reach consensus on Talk page, NOT to make accusations toward other editors. David notMD (talk) 03:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

ASSAULTING VJO,CA ELECTRICAL

12.118.235.22 (talk) 03:27, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 03:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

When and how was the Kachwaha dynasty established?

When and how was the Kachwaha dynasty established? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Karsan Chanda. The Teahouse is more of a place for asking questions about Wikipedia and Wikipedia editing than it is for asking questions like yours. If you're not able to find the information you're looking for in Kachwaha, then perhaps someone at the Wikipedia Reference Desk can help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:43, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Page that shows the oldest pages (Not limited to 5000) And most recent edits

Shouldn't we have a page that shows the most recent and earliest edits and page creations? Like Wikipedia:Wikipedia's oldest articles, but where you can actually SORT by oldest/newest? Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 00:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Recent changes (etc), new pages. -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

As for more information about the oldest articles, presumably this would take time to program. I wonder how the fruits of such an effort would make it worthwhile. -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Lallint I might be missing your point, but you do realise that every ‘View History’ tab contains a link to go straight to the ‘‘oldest’’ edit of that article? It’s then a simple case of working upwards to in blocks of up to 500 edits at a time. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Making my first page

Hi i'm having issues with making my first page. I am working on a page about canadian polititian Anjali Appadurai but it was declined saying the sources included didn't show she deserved a page. I then added more sources including articles about her from mainstream canadian news outlets such as global news, globe and mail, and cbc but got declined agin for the same reason. What kind of sources are they looking for? How can i show that she deserves a page? Edpf06 (talk) 07:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Anjali Appadurai melecie t - 07:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Edpf06 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. The main issue with your draft is that this person was only a candidate for public office; that is not sufficient to meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable politician. If she had won her election, that would have merited her an article, but not merely being a candidate. If she were notable for something else, like her Sierra Club work, she could meet the broader definition of a notable person, but the draft only discusses her political efforts and views. 331dot (talk) 07:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Copyrighted food images

Can I upload a copyrighted image of a dish under non-free content? The image I'm talking about is this pfefferpotthast here. Excellenc1 (talk) 09:07, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Read WP:F, particularly WP:NFCI. It's not likely, but It depends on how you want to use it. It would not be acceptable Fair Use to use a copyrighted image simply to illustrate a particular dish, for example, since a free content image of the dish could be found or produced. If the image itself were being discussed (which seems extremely unlikely) the image would qualify as fair use under NFCI 9. Meters (talk) 10:44, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Since it appears that you want to use it in Pfefferpotthast to illustrate the dish, the short answer is no. Meters (talk) 10:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Writing

Ehm i keep writing stuff but it keeps getting deleted, its because they say i cant use my own experience and knowledge, but whatever i tried i cant seem to get it right and i keep getting rollbacked, can someone expain how to add information that wont get deleted, it was information about a lego game Bankje (talk) 11:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Lego Legends of Chima Online

Hello, Bankje, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you're having a frustrating time, but I'm afraid that if you are wanting to write from your own experience and knowledge, you need to do it somewhere other than Wikipedia. All information in Wikipedia must be available in a reliably published, source, otherwise a reader has no way of checking whether it is is accurate, or has been inserted or altered mistakenly or maliciously. (Note that even if you add information which you're 100% sure is right, somebody may come along next week or next month or next year and alter it. If there is no published source then a reader has no way of checking it). See WP:verifiability. --ColinFine (talk) 12:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Question about other language wikipedia

Hello. Can you use pictures uploaded in other languages wikipedia for the English Wikipedia? If so how? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 13:44, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

hi Dawit S Gondaria and welcome to the teahouse. yes, you may, as long as it's not a fair use image, most images used in any language wikipedia is uploaded over at commons, where images uploaded there can be used in any wikimedia project, including en-wikipedia, you just put it in like you would any file. happy editing! melecie t - 13:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations

Folk's I love wikipedia and use it every day. I donate when you ask and this month I've donated twice on 12/06 and once on 12/08. I know it's not much money but being on a fixed income... What you do is IMPORTANT and when you ask I'll at least try and donate once. I set up a thing where i send a little bit monthly. Right now I'm broke but I will get you next month. Just feeling guilty I can't help more, Gary Oldroyd (51Bunk50) 51bunk50 (talk) 20:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

51bunk50 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As an editor, I thank you for donating, but donations are collected by the Foundation for operating the computers Wikipedia is on, the money does not go to us. No one wants you to donate beyond your means. I assume that you responded to a donation request banner that appears on the screen. Since you have an account, you can turn these off in your account preferences, then perhaps you will feel less pressure to donate your hard and well-earned money. Click "Preferences" then "Banners", then uncheck the Fundraising box. 331dot (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

51bunk50, the Wikimedia Foundation, which is where your money goes, is much richer than you. They exceeded their 2020/21 revenue goal by $46 million. They ask for and receive more money every year, and only a small part of their spending today has anything to do with hosting Wikipedia. Managers there earn from $200,000 to over $400,000 a year. The fundraising manager's salary increased by 50% in the space of four years. So the only one who should be feeling guilty is them, for emotionally manipulating you, and not you, for using the free encyclopedia without paying. For more information, see Wikipedia is swimming in money—why is it begging people to donate?. --Andreas JN 466 14:33, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Are veteran editors allowed to take "potshots" at you on their talk page?

I noticed veteran editor, PamD is taking a break but she went on to reference an article I had recently made using and I quote "and leave the rest of you to look after Major Parish Churches, Winter Walks, discussions about minutiae of dab pages, corrections to carelessness (check your edits, fix any categories which appear in red, use care when copying and pasting because Redcar isn't in the West Midlands, check your edits again), and all the rest. Just please don't break any of my favourite articles while I'm away.". That is in direct relation to me but she then went on to remove it from the talk page. Are editors allowed to do that because this surely is WP: Harassment? DragonofBatley (talk) 09:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 09:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User_talk:PamD § Taking_a_break. DragonofBatley, I don't understand why you think that's directed at you, nor why you call it a "potshot". Maproom (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Likely due to her making similar remarks in the past and given she had edited other articles to correct I find it suspicious that of them all she would target that article. It's quite clear it's in reference to me as me and her have had slight issues in the past with me feeling hounded and spied on. If you take a look at past contributions on my talk page you might understand. DragonofBatley (talk) 11:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley No it's not harassment. Her post is still there as far as I can tell, and I see no reason for anyone to feel 'harassed' by it. Take it as directed at you if you wish, that's entirely your prerogative. You probably also need to accept that you do already have a history of careless editing, and I have engaged with you myself on that matter on your talk page (see here) and your apparent over-sensitivity to other well-meaning editors. It may well be a kindly dig at any editor like you who they've had to spend a lot of time trying to assist and guide them to make them better contributors. If you (or anyone else) keeps messing up, then they need to appreciate that they're going to be repeatedly guided as to how to resolve the problems they're causing. And that task can be quite frustrating, I can tell you! Maybe you have resolved that - I've not checked, and I don't intend to check right now. But there's nothing more to be said, and I suggest we all move along and get on with our careful, error-free editing and be nice to one another this Christmastime. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

for current events, add more info on presidential elections in countries like Taiwan, transnistria, and Somaliland, etc.

for current events, add more info on presidential elections such as in Taiwan, transnistria, Somaliland, and abkhazia, etc. 73.247.81.254 (talk) 13:33, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

hi ip user! do you have a question regarding wikipedia? melecie t - 14:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:SODOIT. You can add the relevant info based on a news article. Read the current events edit instructions. Dege31 (talk) 16:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Managing Mischievous Editing 2

I accept your point that I should not be making major edits to Death of Eleanor de Freitas on the grounds that I am an interested party, and I have not done so. Curiously, all contributions to the article involving references 10, 16, 19, 41, 44 & 50 are from, or directed by, the man whom Eleanor alleged raped her, and this includes the blog website cited as an external source. On this basis, when the major edit is done, by an independent academic source citing mostly an article that has been published (some 3 years ago) in an academic law review (ref 27) all the above references will be replaced with independent sources, mostly, or just deleted if they are already dealt with elsewhere. My concern, as in the past, is that this other interested party or his associates will attempt to undo this major edit as has happened in the past. How do we prevent this and repost the major edit without difficulty? As I have not made any major edits, you will not find any such references from me, other than the article I was asked to write for the Guardian on this subject RobinEllie (talk) 16:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@RobinEllie: These concerns, and any others, should really be raised and recorded on the article's talk page where any reports of undue editing behaviour can be seen by everyone interested the maintaining that page. It's unlikely that specifics will be addressed by the Teahouse hosts here. Whatever you do, never refer to references by their number, as these will all shift as soon as another is added or removed. You can either use a WP:DIFF to refer to an edit and any addition of a citation or, if that proves too difficult, cite it in author (date) format so others know what you're referring to. Go for simplicity and clarity, so that others can easily see what issues there are in neutrality or bias. You can also request an EDITREQUEST, or you can raise concerns with the other editor directly, or seek input on quality of sources used at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

हिंदी

2409:4052:2E87:911D:F146:BD45:5D4C:7F57 (talk) 15:37, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Please ask any question you may have about editing English Wikipedia using English, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

And if you want the Hindi Wikipedia, you can find it at hi:मुखपृष्ठ. --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to add Information about my Company here on Wikipedia but they are not accepting!!

Hi! I want to add information about my Company on Wikipedia but they are not accepting. Denied again and again. The text is: OO Digitals is a Digital Marketing Agency providing services of Graphic Designing, Web Designing, SEO, Content Writing and Link Building. That is just the text that I want to add on Wikipedia but they are not accepting. Can anyone tell me what is the reason. Waiting for your reply. Have a nice day! ABZ Designs (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

You are trying to add a one sentence unreferenced promotional article to Wikipedia. That violates several policies. Read Your first article.Cullen328 (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the equivalent of Yellow Pages. Every article about a company (excepting those that deserve to be deleted) exists because people with no affiliation with the company have published about it. See Oracle Corporation as extreme example. David notMD (talk) 18:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

ABZ Designs, please see the answer I gave to a similar question from an artist a couple of hours ago. --~}ColinFine (talk)

how to edit html table

I noticed inaccuracies on the following page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation#Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation_directors_(1935%E2%80%93present) I tried to correct but struggling as I haven't done html editing for quite a while. Even the visual editor due to nature of the change doesn't seem to help. The president(s) column for Comey and Wray are wrong. Please advise if there is someone I can email or get into a text chat/forum to review & provide me some guidance. Or I can just share details of what needs to be corrected, ie. Comey spent most of his time as FBI Director for Obama. Jbeck695 (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jbeck695: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, If you are looking for some help from people with knowledge on Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation you can always ask on the articles talk page or even on WikiProjects related to it like WP:FBI. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 19:02, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jbeck695: Also, if you are struggling with learning how Visual editor works you can read Help:VisualEditor, and for html editig you can read WP:HTML. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 19:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

How to save a 'work-in-progress' page, without it going live as a public Wikipedia article?

Hi,

I'm making a page (which was previously speedily deleted for conflict of interest/ breech of copyright). How may I work on this page (and perhaps have it available for others to work on also) without it being published?

(I can only see the blue 'publish page' button, but I worry it will go live if I press that, but I do want to save it to work on later.)

Thank you! Jim Rokos (talk) 14:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

You can publish it as a draft here Draft:Kristjana S Williams, please also read WP:USERPAGE for what is appropriate content for your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 14:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Jim Rokos (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. "Publish changes" should be interpreted to mean "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It used to say save,, but was changed to emphasize that all edits are visible to the public(even if not actually in the encyclopedia). I'm not clear on what page you are referencing, but your sandbox and Draft space are places where your edits are not part of the encyclopedia. You may use WP:AFC to create drafts. 331dot (talk) 14:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jim Rokos:(edit conflict) The button "publish changes" should be interpreted as "publish this so others can find it", not "publish this to the encyclopedia". It was labeled this way to remind everyone that nearly everything here is visible to everyone, provided that one knows where to look at. As a natural consequence of this, copyright violations will have to be removed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

And just to add: if you genuinely want to work on something that nobody else can see until it's ready (including pasting in copyrighted content prior to completely rewording it yourself) feel free to use any word processor such as MS Word on your home computer. Then, only when you're ready, need you copy and format it as a draft or a sandbox page on Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all so much Nick Moyes , Theroadislong , Victor Schmidt All your guidance is appreciated and I learn on. With best, Jim Rokos (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Monetary contribution

Please acknowledge my donation of US$ 20.80 on December 8, 2021 and cease asking me for a contribution. Thank you. 192.161.203.79 (talk) 12:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. I would add that not one of the volunteer editors who add content to articles here receive any financial benefit. We simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopaedia for you innumerable others around the world to use. Thank you again, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC) Nick Moyes (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

You could be a supermodel or Norman Mailer and Wikipedia would never be able to know the difference because MediaWiki - the software it runs on - is configured to not compromise your privacy in that manner. If you have or register an account, you can turn off the fundraising banners in your account preferences under the "Banners" tab. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Requesting to be Indexed ALIREAZ

Hi! there, I am wondering are there any ways I can request help/suggest creating a Wikipedia page? Alireaz (talk) 21:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

None which don't involve providing the published third-party sources you intend to use to source the article. We are an encyclopaedia, after all, and are only as good as our worst source. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alireaz Wikipedia is not a place for people to promote themselves or their business, if that’s what you were hoping to do. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

hey teahouse i have a question

Is wiki in all languages like example korean , hebrew. asking for a friend who just joined wiki but she cant type in the teahouse thats why Zazalover12 (talk) 01:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC) Zazalover12 (talk) 01:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

In Korean and Hebrew, yes, Zazalover12. In all languages, no. -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Are you asking whether there are editions of Wikipedia in other languages (Yes) or whether every foreign character set (hence non-English characters) can be used here in the English Wikipedia, and specifically here at the Teahouse? If the latter, only English should be used for questions or comments here. General Ization ^Talk 01:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Image Help

How to know if these images [12], [13] are copyright-free or not. Behind the moors (talk) 07:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The latter definitely isn't. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

This one and this one? For the former, the uploader has declared that its creator has donated it to the public domain. For the latter, the uploader has declared that he/she is the copyright holder. Is either declaration credible? Experience has told me that such declarations for similar images are very often unfounded. (People just make these declarations as doing so seems less troublesome for them than does any obvious alternative option.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hoary How to remove all these from wikipedia if the credits are not correct?

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2806:264:4482:940D:E4E6:ADB:2DCF:6A5A (talk) 09:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC) 1563373

Do you have a question? -- Hoary (talk) 09:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Podcasts interview as reference for BLP

Hello, I would like to create a page for a living person. I have checked the notability requirements and it seems they fit. My concern is ensuring that I have the right references to base the page on. The person has done several podcast interviews with notable/reputable news orgs. Would these be considered appropriate to reference? Is it considered a primary resource instead of secondary? Thank you for any advice. Bala33H (talk) 02:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Simply, Bala33H, people aren't disinterested sources about themselves; and therefore interviews (whether on paper, as text in web pages, as podcasts or wherever) aren't suitable sources for most ingredients of an article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting limits

Does resubmitting too many times get me banned? If yes, how many times can I resubmit my draft before getting my account blocked? Jchauofia (talk) 08:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Your draft has been declined twice. You'd have to do something remarkably offensive or stupid to be blocked. Well, since you bring up the draft, it says "Its offices are situated in Italy, China, Singapore, India, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, and Indonesia. As of 2021, Italian Atelier is operating in 30 countries." The meaning of "operating" is unclear; and whatever this means, it needs to be referenced. Also, "In October 2021, Italian Atelier, as the representative of Poltronova in Vietnam, addressed the matter of an influencer, specifically Ngoc Trinh having bought and promoted an inauthentic Ultrafragola mirror." With four references! If some matter about one mirror is so important, then shouldn't we be told how the company "addressed" it? -- Hoary (talk) 08:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Jchauofia. There's no limit on the number of times a draft can be re-submitted, but generally it's not considered wise to keep sumitting the same declined version over and over again. If you make a good faith attempt to fix the reasons why the draft was declined and make a genuine effort at trying to bring in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, then nobody will probably say anything if you submit the draft multiple times. The key is to demonstrate that you're really trying to improve the draft, but at some point there might be nothing more that you can do as explained WP:OVERCOME and it might be time to move on to something else. As for getting banned or blocked, those things usually happen only when there are serious behavioral issues that need to be dealt with and usually (not always but usually) you'll receive a warning first that it's not wise to continue doing whatever you're doing. So, if at some point, a reviewer says that the draft is either WP:TOOSOON or has otherwise been "Rejected" (there's a difference between "Rejected" and "Declined"), then it might be time to move on to something else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The (referenced) fact that in Vietnam there is for sale a knock-off of the Poltronova Ultrafragola mirror in a frame color never made by Poltronova adds nothing to establishing the notability of Italian Atelier. Delete all that. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

This page seems to be an ad and has no references

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/%ED%95%9C%EA%B0%80%EC%9D%80

afaik from lingva.ml or google translate Cripplemac (talk) 04:46, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

That page has never existed on the English-language Wikipedia as far as I can tell (and not surprising, as we explicitly do not accept titles that aren't in Latin script). If this is on the Korean-language Wikipedia, then you need to take it up there. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cripplemac Welcome to Tea House! This is the English Wikipedia, to nominate it for deletion on Korean Wikipedia see ko:위키백과:삭제 토론. Happy cross-wiki editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Corporate notability

In the course of submitting article Draft: Servants of Christ the King, I have had two reviewers comment that the organisation probably is notable, but, all that is written and published (including in reputable newspapers) about it is written by members. I wondered, if the book 'Treasury of Blessings' 2015 had been published by an independent company rather than self-published, would that make a difference or would its authorship (it is written by a past warden and member) still prevent ? Thank you for your help - Jacantha (talk) 11:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jacantha Welcome to Teahouse! The best place to discuss Draft: Servants of Christ the King generally would be the talk page at Draft talk:Servants of Christ the King. One commenter said it was probably notable, while multiple others said it likely is NOT notable, based on the sources presented so far. An author closely linked to the org will not be independent, no matter the publisher. As long as you make genuine effort to improve, you can re-submit as many times as you like for review again. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Železničná spoločnosť Slovensko

Hi everyone,

in Slovakia for the main purpose - try to manage the actual information about the company and upgrade the data, which can help the customers and the habitant as well for the projects or for their own knowledge. I had tried to change and update the newest data and information about the ZSSK profile in the English version. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDelezni%C4%8Dn%C3%A1_spolo%C4%8Dnos%C5%A5_Slovensko I had tried to give after every paragraph citation with the source. I found out that you recommend "Avoid embedded links". Unfortunately, mandatory of our sources are web links. Do you mind giving me advice and showing examples of how to make it correctly? Or to push it somehow? Cause this article is quite old and has not been updated for a years.

I am waiting for the response or somebody to check the changes, but my request is no more on the Request List. So I do not know to who I am supposed to ask for help. Adrianamala (talk) 11:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Adrianamala please note any WP:PAID relations you have before you proceed with anything else. And see WP:NOT. We allow one link to external services per WP:EXTERNAL which it has already, but that's it as far as primary sources go. The core of the article should be what secondary and independent sources have to say. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:46, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Article not going live, showing issues.

Draft:Vish Kumar VK This article isn't going live, the issues like creation protection and only an administrator can move it, being shown up. Kindly help on the matter. (This page is currently protected so that only administrators can create it.) Sikhkuch (talk) 20:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sikhkuch Welcome to Tea House! I see you've now requested a review, this is the correct procedure. In its current state, I cannot imagine it passing the review. The article reads like a heavy WP:PROMO and WP:FANCRUFT. To persuade reviewers, you'll need to show how the three best sources are of high quality, and establish WP:GNG while being independent and scholarly. I do not wish to be contacted further about this specific draft. Good luck getting it reviewed! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Among other things, the phrase "was loved by fans" does not appear in the reference. That is, the given reference does not support the assertion, so "was loved by fans" should not be in the article. Plus, it doesn't follow the tone expected in an encyclopedia. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 12:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Why country or nationality is unlinked?

Spotanus (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

hi Spotanus and welcome to the teahouse! i don't know which page you are talking about, although if you mean a link to Country or Nationality, it's probably because it didn't really need to be linked from that page. happy editing! melecie t - 13:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Melecie, yeah, such as Joe Biden, "Joe Biden is an American politician", here why American nationality is unlinked? And why the country in the date of birth parameter of the infobox is unlinked? Thanks. Spotanus (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spotanus: Hello, welcome to the teahouse!

The policy on the English Wikipedia is that common words that readers should be expected to understand generally shouldn't be linked, e.g. things like dates, countries, nationalities, units of measurements. For the guidance on this you may want to read MOS:OVERLINK. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 14:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh! Thank you very much, ip user! Spotanus (talk) 14:02, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spotanus: For example, a case of overlink would be: The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. Also, if for whatever reason "the" were to be linked, it would only need to be linked once per MOS:DUPLINK. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, thank you so much. Spotanus (talk) 04:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Converting an existing Wikipedia article from another language to English

Hi, I tried converting this article from the French Wikipedia: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abish_Brodt to English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abish_Brodt

I obviously got declined, but the only references I'll be able to add on are from this article (regarding his career): https://mishpacha.com/when-reb-abish-brodt-davens-everyone-looks-in-the-machzor/

The rest of the info is either directly from the French version, or data from the actual cassettes & CD's.

Can someone please help create the article.

Thanks -BangKettle BangKettle (talk) 02:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

BangKettle, the first thing you have to check is whether you can demonstrate that he's "notable" according to the criteria of either WP:NPERSON or WP:NMUSIC. (It's not necessary to meet the criteria of both.) Which of the two do you choose? -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Being that he's only in the Orthodox Jewish music world, I can't see how I can show that he's a "major impact" worldwide. Yet by the religious community he is one of the largest singers. He was one of the main singers at the past few Siyum HaShas (The largest event in Orthodox Judaism today). Any quick search for "abish brodt siyum hashas" online will prove that.

Furthermore any Jewish Music Website displays him as a major artist: https://jewishmusic.fm/music/artist-list/ . And certainly "Regesh" (he's the lead singer) is a household name in every religious home. Many people use the Shalom Aleichem (vol. 3) to start their Sabbath meal https://mishpacha.com/songs-to-learn-by-im-not-an-entertainer/ & [[14]]

Somehow the French Wikipedia felt he is important [Brodt] — Preceding unsigned comment added by BangKettle (talk • contribs) 14:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The French Wikipedia may well have different notability criteria. See the advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, they have different notability criteria. Furthermore, the article has been essentialy unchanged since it was created in 2019. 95% of the edits to the article are by the article creator. My guess is that that the article has not been seen by many others (yet). Lectonar (talk) 14:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Fine, but regardless see my other info... Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by BangKettle (talk • contribs)

My monthly donation

<!How do I cancel my monthly donation of 5 Euros? Reason. I thought you were neutrally conveying news. Your description of Ivo Sasic displays the you spread disriminating derogatory propaganda in the most evil Nazi manner. Immediately cancel my donation arrangement! Your propaganda quoted no sources!-- PLEASE ADD A SHORT SUBJECT HEADING in the separate Subject/headline field above. Then, WRITE YOUR QUESTION BELOW THIS LINE. --> 2A02:908:160:4600:AC66:27FD:DF3A:18C8 (talk) 07:39, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP, the Teahouse is a help desk for editing Wikipedia. We're all volunteer contributors and are not employed nor paid by the Wikimedia Foundation itself. I don't know how to cancel your monthly donation, but if there's a change you'd like to make to an article, feel free to go onto the corresponding talk page and discuss changes there. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

en:Wikipedia has no article titled Ivo Sasic. As far as I can tell, none of its articles even mentions that name. (I have seen reports of significant bias in hr:Wikipedia.) Maproom (talk) 09:46, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

We appreciate your contribution to the Wikimedia Foundation and supporting free knowledge. If you would like to cancel your monthly donation, you can find more information on how to cancel on this page. JBrungs (WMF) (talk) 08:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Then remove the propaganda. It's a free encyclopedia anyone can edit, you know? Explodicator7331 (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Question on convention on dates in article titles

Many articles, such as 2020 United States presidential election, specify first the year and then the topic whose appearance in that year is being studied.

My inquiry is

how to create an article title that also specifies the month, such as

- 202010 Event
- 2020.10 Event
- 2020(10) Event
- 2020 (October) Event
- October 2020 Event

How important is it to express a month as a number rather than a word?

Has anyone discussed whether a movement or ongoing event should be titled with its first day (which may be not very important) or the month?

I'm deliberately not putting here the events I'm thinking of so as not to have the discussion affected by consideration of whether the events in question deserve separate articles. After my questions are answered I'll post the topic here. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC) deisenbe (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Deisenbe welcome to Teahouse, there's nothing stopping you from creating October 2020 United States presidential election and other convenience redirects to an article. If they were the target article name, they'd likely be changed per WP:COMMON or some other naming convention. It's unhelpful to make hypothetical questions tho. Please be as specific as possible. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

October 2020 event would be the normal method. See November 2021 lunar eclipse, for example, and countless others of similar style. The capital E would be only where appropriate. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. The events are multiple caravans of migrants traversing Mexico to the United States, which I am trying to distinguish by date started. I am definitely not saying that each one deserves a separate article, though I am planning one on the September 2021 incident in Del Rio, Texas, that got international publicity. deisenbe (talk) 17:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

SHOXRUX HAMDAMOV

I am writing article about uzbek actor its saved as a draft but several times its declaining? i am trying to solve my mistakes but why its declained? is that because i am the new user? GJAHANA (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC) GJAHANA (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

GJAHANA, Draft:Shoxrux Hamdamov has been repeatedly declined for reasons explained in the decline notices at its top. The explanations include links to pages about Wikipedia policies, which you should read. Maproom (talk) 17:58, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@GJAHANA welcome to Teahouse. Every single decline had a reason and none of them had to do with you being new. Your Draft has 4 references, all very low quality. One is a youtube video, another an IMDB source. Please make policy based arguments why the actor is notable. See WP:NACTOR and WP:V. It's wasting reviewers' time, if you don't make improvements to the sourcing, while re-submitting. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Cladogram creation

I cannot seem to create a proper cladogram, is this code correct? (To see the code you will have to open the source editor.

{{Clade
|label1=Megaraptora
   |1=''Fukuiraptor''
   |2=''Murusraptor''
      |label1=Megaraptoridae
         |label3=''Tratayenia''
         |label3=''Megaraptor''
         |label4=''Orkoraptor''
         |label5=''Aerosteon''
         |label6=''Australovenator''
         }}

And as a follow-up, how do I add images to the cladogram? Logosvenator wikiensis (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Logosvenator wikiensis, it has two extra pairs of close-braces. as you can probably see above. Apart from that it looks correct. In my experience, constructing cladograms of any size is really difficult. I believe there are some editors who have tools to help them, but I don't know who. Maproom (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I have corrected it. There is also a whole other smaller clade that is missing from the final product. Do you have any idea why it is not appearing? Logosvenator wikiensis (talk) 17:58, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Logosvenator wikiensis: Each Clade template can only generate one level of branches, to do what you want you need to nest multiple layers of templates inside each other. Each template takes a parameter that should appear at the end of each branch (these are the numbered parameters) and a label that along the branch (these are the label parameters) Try this

{{Clade
|label1=Megaraptora
|1={{Clade
   |1=''Fukuiraptor''
   |label2=Megaraptoridae
   |2={{clade
      |1=''Murusraptor''  
      |2=''Tratayenia''
      |3=''Megaraptor''
      |4=''Orkoraptor''
      |5=''Aerosteon''
      |6=''Australovenator''
      }}
   }}
}}

which generates

Megaraptora

Fukuiraptor

Megaraptoridae

	Murusraptor

	Tratayenia

	Megaraptor

	Orkoraptor

	Aerosteon

	Australovenator

So working from the outside in, we have the first Clade template which contains 1 branch, labeled "Megaraptora". At the end of that branch we have another clade template with 2 branches, one of which ends at "Fukuiraptor" and one of which is labeled "Megaraptoridae" and leads to another clade template. This final Clade template just contains a load of branches leading to the individual species with no labels. To add images to the ends you just add a standard image code after the name, e.g. you might have |2=''Tratayenia'' [[File:Example.png]]. Hope this helps, 192.76.8.80 (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Logosvenator wikiensis (talk) 18:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Reverting Edits

Hey some random IP address just came and made a disruptive edit to the Woody (Toy Story) article that i just nominated for a good article. I tried to revert his edits, but it must be done manually and I do not know how to do that. Can someone please revert their edits before someone reviews it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 13:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 Welcome to Teahouse. I see you reverted (and then self reverted) their 5 edits. Now I'd recommend you and follow the WP:BRD cycle and discuss it with 121.183.25.204 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (please refrain from calling them a random IP) directly on the talk page Talk:Woody (Toy Story). If it's not obvious vandalism, you're expected to discuss it diplomatically with each other. Happy consensus building! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:58, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The IP editor made a few minor edits and moved content to a different place. You reverted all. Per above, invite IP to discuss on Talk. While awaiting a GA reviewer and during the review process (and after), other editors may edit the article. David notMD (talk) 14:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

and @David notMD: I know other people can edit it while its under review I just think they didnt make the best editing choice. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 14:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

When i reverted that it literally did nothing though. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 14:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Never mind Im being dumb it did revert it🤦― Kaleeb18^Talk 14:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I could have handled this better and sorry for calling them a random IP ― Kaleeb18^Talk 14:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

You can still follow WP:BRD in this case. IF you don't agree their edits you can attempt to discuss it with them (although I've found it's a bit difficult to start a discussion with IPs since afaik you can't ping them with {{ping}} like you would with a user and most IPs don't know about talk pages). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha ― Kaleeb18^Talk 14:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

IPs are often hit-and-run editors, so I recommend proceeding with the GA process, with the expectation that this IP won't be back. David notMD (talk) 15:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

David notMD yeah that's what I'm expecting. ― Kaleeb18^Talk 18:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Help to create my page - I am a traditionally published author with multiple proofs of notoriety in newspaper articles and tv show

How can I get my page created by a Wiki writer and/or editor - is there a specific group of people to ask? Yolanda T. Marshall (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Yolanda T. Marshall welcome to Teahouse, we're all WP:VOLUNTEER so it's rare for people to create a biography article, at the request of someone, but technically Wikipedia:Requested articles would be the place. The relevant policy for journalists/publishers is WP:JOURNALIST and WP:PUBLISHER. Please also read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Also read WP:AUTO. Wikipedia frowns on but does not forbid trying to create an article about yourself. See also WP:YFA for how-to. David notMD (talk) 17:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yolanda T. Marshall, notoriety? Uh oh, what did you do? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Replied at your talkpage, I think it can be done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

User name decoration

What template should I use along with my username to change it to a preferred colour whenever I comment? Josedimaria237 (talk) Josedimaria237 (talk) 17:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237 welcome to Teahouse. See WP:CUSTOMSIG ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:02, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah: It worked but I don't seem to find the CSS code for lime or light green.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 18:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237: I think you can just use the hex code, which for lime would be #00FF00, however this might only work with userboxes so I could be wrong, but I'd assume they work similarly. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:48, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

CSS has some default colors, but you can use a hexadecimal color code for more control. For example using [15] I found #32cd32 for limegreen. So something like <span style="color: #32cd32">would work. Make sure to use an WP:ACCESSIBLE color contrast. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah it appears "lime" and "limegreen" are 2 completely different colors. _{Cause that's not confusing at all}― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf Limegreen is basically a midway between the colors Lime and Green. Since there are 255x255x255 possible color combinations in hexadecimal form of colors, apt names are needed. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yep. I thought they were the same color since "Lime" is technically "Lime green" however it's a different shade than "Limegreen". ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Chief Industries, Inc. Wikipedia Page

Chief Industries, Inc. was founded in 1954 and today is comprised of 7 brands. It is a global organization with over 1200 employees. I would like to create a page for this family owned business, but I want to know if it is considered notable before doing so.

Thanks! Beth Frerichsbe (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Frerichsbe welcome to the Teahouse. If you can supply at least three, detailed, independent sources that talk about the business, then it could meet our notability criteria. You can find these at WP:NCORP. Unless these are available, there would be no chance for an article, I'm afraid. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Frerichsbe, to add to what Nick Moyes told you, if by any chance you have any affiliation with the organization or their staff, then you are strongly advised not to create the article, rather go to WP:RA and include the article there and as Nick already told you, list ant three good sources that show the organization to be notable, note that the only sources that would be considered are sources that have a reputation for fact checking, possess editorial oversight and are not in anyway affiliated with the organization. Celestina007 (talk) 20:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

definition of proper time

DonaldJLem (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @DonaldJLem and welcome to the Teahouse. Check out proper time for an answer to your question. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 21:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh

Isn't this a reliable source?^[1]^[2] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 20:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

References

@Karsan Chanda we cannot use Wikipedia articles to cite other texts inside wikipedia. See WP:CIRCULAR. Specific external websites by NewDelhiTimes or TheTimesOfIndia are likely reliable sources (but always dependent on the content of specific article). ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda, In addition to what Shushugah told you, please do not use TOI as it is a deprecated source. There are a plethora of good Indian sources, The Hindu, The Indian Express, Hindustan Times, the list goes on and on, it may delight you to know that you can optimize offline sources also when sourcing. Celestina007 (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Karsan Chanda, when hoping to write about a person, such as this one, who lived a thousand years ago, you're better off looking in history books. Make sure that these were put out by academic or other highly reputable publishers and are no more than fifty years old. -- Hoary (talk) 21:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Name is red

Why is my name red please help I dont know why its red ThisnamewastakenXD (talk) 20:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@ThisnamewastakenXD: Hello Thisname! Your name is red because you have not created a userpage yet. You can create a userpage by simply clicking on your red name and then adding stuff to it as long as it complies with WP:Userpage. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:28, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

However, I would like to express a word of caution as usernames like yours are often used by trolls or vandals. I am assuming good faith here though that you are not a vandal and are here to edit constructively. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I added a short sentence to your User page to make your name appear in blue. Erase what I wrote and add your own content. David notMD (talk) 22:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

My edit of the Nicosia article was archived and deleted from the main artucle

The reason given was lack of a reliable source. I was that reliable source. So you are suggesting I am lying when I said I crossed via the Ledra Palace checkpoint into North Nicosia in 1977 and that it was even then on hour ahead of South Nicosia. It must be easy to check what I said was right. I am not doing your work for you., Tonyroctrnc (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tonyroctrnc. Please read Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth for more details. Nobody is suggesting that you’re lying; all they are saying is that Wikipedia requires a way to verify the content you tried to add to the article. There was also a problem with the way your addition was worded. Wikipedia requires that content be written in accordance with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, but what you added was written in a first-person point of view that’s not really appropriate for Wikipedia even if it can be reliably sourced. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:21, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk

TALK PLEASE I WANT TO KNOW HOW I WOULD BE ABLE TO PUBLISH MY NOTE. $$$$$$$$$$ (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blessing Nweke: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't shout, and as far as I can tell you've only made two edits: one here, and one over at Talk:Marketing mix. Judging from these edits you may have misunderstood what Wikipedia is for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The International Small Group and Tree Planting Program

The Wikipedia page for The International Small Group and Tree Planting (TIST) Program has disappeared - when was it removed and why? Is it possible to have it restored? HNoyes (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

It was deleted last year because of copyright violations - the article text (which had been located at International Small Group and Tree Planting Program) was copied from the organizations web site in violation of their copyrights. Since it was deleted to to copyright problems, it cannot be restored. - MrOllie (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@HNoyes What @MrOllie says is correct in so far as the copyright violation cannot be restored. We take that issue very seriously. However, if there are three or more detailed independent sources which are not connected with the subject which talk about it in depth, then it could be started from scratch and submitted via Articles for Creation. Assuming it were jdged to meet our Notability criteria for organisations, than it would be approved.

However, as you are intimately connected with the organisation, you would have a very strong Conflict of Interest were you to attempt it yourself. Whilst you would not be forbidden from doing so, you would be strongly discouraged as you might have great difficulty creating an encyclopaedia article that was neutral in tone and non-promotional. You would also be obliged to declare you connection as a WP:PAID employee (q.v.) before you did any such editing. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Which page is the most salted on Wikipedia?

Which page on Wikipedia is the most salted? Damianlewis21 (talk) 21:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

That's an odd sounding question, Damianlewis21, rather like asking which person has been most killed. How would one page be "more salted" than another? -- Hoary (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I think they mean what pages have been deleted and then recreated the most, per Wikipedia's definition of salt. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Damianlewis21, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, a space where new editors ask imperative questions that enable them to edit better. Having said, i am echoing Hoary, this indeed is a very unique question, whilst I do not know exactly what you mean, I’d like to state that there is nothing like “most salted” If you can expatiate on your question or if you have a more specific question please do feel free to continue asking here. Celestina007 (talk) 22:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Aagh! Did you just say "very unique"? Shame on you. LOL. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, lmao couldn’t think of a more polite manner to say strange. Celestina007 (talk) 00:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

This isn't a question that can really be answered. As a rule, it's very rare for a title that's been salted to end up having an article on it later on, and when that happens the result is generally not deleted. Page titles are salted because they've either had multiple terrible articles written on them that have had to be deleted, because they're being used by a sock farm to evade their ban, or because they're being used to further an external harassment campaign. Temporary, time-limited saltings just are not a thing. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Review request for change to vaccine types list in Immunity (medical)

As my first non-trivial Wikipedia contribution, I have drafted replacement text for a single paragraph in Immunity (medical)#Artificially acquired. The draft is at User:Smcpeak74/Artificially acquired, which also explains what was changed and why. I'd appreciate feedback. Smcpeak74 (talk) 18:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smcpeak74 Welcome to Teahouse! Most of us here are not medical experts, but the talk page of the article Talk:Immunity (medical) would be the best place to post exactly what you suggested above. While you explained why you removed citations, I was surprised you didn't provide alternative inline references in your replacement suggestion. Especially on WP:MEDICAL topics, sourcing is of utmost importance. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:58, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. The new material primarily consists of three bullet points. For one (OMVs), I provided a reference, but I did not for the other two because what I wrote is simply a summary of what the Wikipedia articles they link to say. Should I still support such text with citations? I read through Wikipedia:Citing_sources but did not see an answer. Smcpeak74 (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smcpeak74 Wikipedia is user generated content and may not be cited within Wikipedia. See WP:CIRCULAR Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 20:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Right. I wasn't suggesting to cite Wikipedia, rather to not cite anything for a sentence that merely summarizes and links to another Wikipedia article that, itself, has citations for its content. FWIW, I'm working on adding citations anyway since the other article's content might change. Smcpeak74 (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smcpeak74 In short, that's not enough, because those Wikipedia articles themselves are constantly being changed/potentially even deleted. So if they have a reference in those articles, you're free to copy them to this article (and attribute where you copied/found references from). The only time citations might be omitted are in Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Makes sense. How do I properly attribute where I copied references from? Do I just explain that in the edit summary? Smcpeak74 (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smcpeak74, basically, yes, and you'd include a link to the page being copied from in that summary. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Proper attribution for sample wording. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 23:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Somehow I hadn't seen Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. I've updated my draft changes to include a proposed edit summary and proposed use of the "copied" template. Smcpeak74 (talk) 00:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

Is creating an account with the same IP address but a different email considered sockpuppeting? Darienow (talk) 22:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Please note that my questions are NOT related to what I do!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Darienow (talk • contribs) 22:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Not necessarily related to your question, but for whatever reason your username is considered a disambig link (which in my preferences is set to show as orange) and I have no clue why since clicking on it takes me to your userpage. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

It's because they've added a disambig-template-thingy to their user page, Blaze The Wolf. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. I was confused when I saw that but it didn't actually look like a disambig one. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

There may be a mistake because my username is supposed to lead to my user page and not a disambiguation! Darienow (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

See above. You might want to review Wikipedia:User pages, @Darienow. Also WP:SOCK might be helpful. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Darienow: When you say "Please note that my questions are NOT related to what I do!", could you clarify what it is that you think you do do? There are certain circumstances in which creating and declaring a second account may be justified. But as you are a brand new user with 117 edits, of which just 12 are to actual Wikipedia articles, I don't feel you are likely to fall into that category, and would simply be using it to experiment or mess about with. That is not sufficient justification. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Darienow: Do you have any other Wikipedia accounts? -- TNT (talk • she/they) 03:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

No. Darienow (talk) 03:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Question by User:ToThe.Truth7

FYI

– Added header. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk)

Hello im inteterested in know how to publish an article here on Wikipedia.

What are the steps to follow?

Im sure that has been asked before, but is there anyway someone can even send me a link to the page on how to?

Thanks in advance ToThe.Truth7 (talk) 03:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@ToThe.Truth7: The page you're looking for is WP:YFA. Do note that writing a brand new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and we strongly suggest new editors to improve existing articles first. Also, many newcomers struggle with Wikipedia's definition of notability; before you do any writing, be sure that you are able to give at least three sources that show "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (per WP:GNG). Good luck! ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@ToThe.Truth7: If you're sure about your article, you can:

Search for the nonexistent title.
Click the red link below the search box.
Type the article.
Press Save.

However, you should familiarize yourself with the notability and Conflict of Interest guidelines. To summarize, don't write about anything you're affiliated with, as these are often biased. You are also recommended to write your page in your userspace (create the title with a title like this.) Also check this article wizard. Have fun! I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 06:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Userfication

Hi. I tried to userfy a draft (Draft:Nidhi Bhanushali) to User:Eevee01/Nidhi Bhanushali but I don't know which tag I should use to request the deletion of the redirect it created. Eevee01^(talk) 08:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01 I have sent it for deletion. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 08:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

How Can I Improve my draft for approval?

Hello House, I have had my article rejected twice; once for not having adequate citations. I fixed that(or I think I did) and now rejected for sounding promotional. The editors(s) accepted I have independent sources but the article seem promotional. I don't want to submit it again for the third time and miss it. Therefore, if anybody can point me to how best I can rephrase the article to make it suitable for approval. The draft in question is Draft:5irechain. Thank you. LambarGuru (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

This sentence in the Lead is incomprehensible "5ireChain is a tier-one smart contract chain which economically incentivizes companies and individuals to build, adapt and get rewarded for sustainable practices." Then, as no point in the body of the article is there any attempt to explain what it means. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Six of the ten refs are press releases, and two are the company website. None of this establishs notability. David notMD (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD:Thank you for the swift response. I will rephrase the opening paragraph. And find more independent sources for the article before submission. Just out of curiosity, at the opening of this page I read where an editor advised another to find the best three sources for the article. Can this be applicable in my case? I am only seeking advice. At what point is that policy applicable?LambarGuru (talk) 14:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Always. On Talk page of draft, identify what you believe are the strong refs. Could also have as comment above draft. This helps reviewer see the best refs. David notMD (talk) 15:36, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Kindly check these links to see if any qualifies as independent sources: [16], this has a wikipedia page, [17], iacr news news desk. Two out of the 10 links in the article have been said to be qualified. I need a bout one or two more to add to those so I can point the three out to the reviewing editor.LambarGuru (talk) 13:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@LambarGuru: Re the 5 links you posted here: no 1 is a dead link, no 2 is a press release (not independent), no 3 is a Wikipedia article (not independent, not reliable), no 4 is the same source as no 2 (a press release published by different outlets are just one source), no 5 is a dead link. Which two sources have been said to be qualified? --bonadea contributions talk 09:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD:Kindly check out my draft, Draft:5irechain to see what else needs to be done before I submit again for review. I have rewritten the article to remove promotional language.LambarGuru (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

As you are paid to do this, you shouldn't be asking for preferential treatment by the unpaid volunteers – we do this in our spare time, you know. The list of funding companies is promotional trivia. The introductory paragraph is still basically an advert. The "etymology" section is promotionally written (and is not about etymology). The "corporate adoption" has no context and capitalises random words that are not names. All in all, it would not be accepted. --bonadea contributions talk 09:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I have donated $100 to wikipedia but continue to get promtps asking me to contribute. It counts the number of times I 'scroll away.' Can this be fixed?

Publishing

Hi there.

I am putting together a page of an artist (a dancing - acting - modelling - choreographing professional) who's work is known/notable around the world (associated with big ballet companies - tv companies). I have followed William John Banks' career for quite some time and it has recently been announced that he will be performing on Broadway next year. For that reason, I feel now is the most perfect occasion to produce this.

Every detail I have written is factual but each time I attempt to publish, the page is later edited with the text deleted by someone (I am wondering if it is admin?). What's additionally strange is that the page for William John Banks is then redirected to another page with a similar name: being William John Bankes. All you have to do is load up a Google search and type in William John Banks to see that he exists - so it is oddly that their name would be redirected to another. I will paste below what I have attempted to publish.

Article content

"William John Banks (born 16 July 1990) is an Australian dancer, actor and choreographer. He has performed as a soloist in classical ballet and contemporary companies throughout Europe, Asia and Australia as well as in musical theatre and commercial film & television productions in both the United Kingdom and the Untied States of America.

Banks began his career in Australia with the West Australian Ballet (2009 - 2011) before spending an extended creative period with Expressions Dance Company (now Australasian Dance Collective) throughout 2012 and 2013. He relocated to Europe to work with Stadttheater Gießen (2014 - 2016), Graz Opera (2016 - 2017), Bayeriche Staatsoper, Theatre St. Gallen and the Salzburg Festival (2017).

Between 2018 - 2020 his artistic engagements included Sony Music (UK), V&A, London Fashion Week (Men's), Sadler’s Wells, Bollywood (T-Series), M·A·C and Opéra de Monte-Carlo. In 2021 he was engaged with the Sydney Opera House, Spinnin' Records and Warner Bros. Pictures (AUS).

In December 2021 it was announced that Banks will be joining the cast of "The Little Prince" on Broadway."

I was kindly nudged by Wikipedia to pop on here and see if I can get some help with getting the page to stick so that my writing is not removed.

In advance, I appreciate any guidance.

Cheers, Isaac ArtPeddlar (talk) 10:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello ArtPeddlar. What is happening is that William John Bankes is a 19th century Egyptologist, and William John Banks redirects to him. It would be improper to modify the page of Bankes to replace it by an article for Banks. While you could edit the redirect page directly, I do not recommend it.

Instead, you should first gather sources that show Banks is notable enough for an article. See the WP:GNG criteria for what kind of sources we want, but usually for artists it means newspaper reviews of their shows. Then, you can create a draft article at Draft:William John Banks, edit it to your satisfaction, then submit it to our articles for creation process by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top. If the draft is accepted, the reviewer will sort out the Banks/Bankes issue, probably adding a hatnote to both articles. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

My first time in Wikipedia

I am the new intern at the Little Museum of Dublin and I have been asked by the management to add references to the museum on other Wikipedia pages. This is my first time using Wikipedia and I don't know how to add relevant references. For now, here are the Wikipedia pages I would like to edit:

- John Rocque ^[1] : In 1756, he created the first printed map of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin Georgian building in St Stephen's Green is on this meticulously detailed map.

- Georgian Dublin ^[2] : In the 18th century, the iconic areas with Georgian houses were located in Merrion Square, St. Stephen's Green and Fitzwilliam Square. The Little Museum of Dublin, established in 2011, sits across from St. Stephen's Green and is housed in a sublime Georgian house, in which you can join a tour and revel in the beautifully protected architecture.

- Stephen’s Green ^[3] : The final key to gain access to the park is in the Little Museum of Dublin, which tells the story of the capital through items generously donated by Dubliners.

- James Malton ^[4] : The most famous view of the Green was produced by James Malton. In the Little Museum of Dublin, an assortment of different views of the capital are exhibited.

- Queen Victoria ^[5] : In 1900, Queen Victoria came to Dublin in Dun Laoghaire. In the Little Museum of Dublin, the original photograph of this event is exhibited and the museum tells the story of the British Empire's hold on Ireland.

- Countess Markievicz ^[6] : A very important figure in Dublin during the Easter Rising where she led the troops with Michael Mallin. She was the only one not to be executed by the British simply because she was a woman. The official document commemorating all the soldiers executed by the British during the Easter Rising is currently at The Little Museum of Dublin.

- Eamon de Valera ^[7] : The original version of the decree signed by the hand of Eamon de Valera that secured Ireland's independence in 1921 is currently in the Little Museum of Dublin, located in the centre of the capital opposite St. Stephen's Green.

Can you help me with this?

I sincerely thank you in advance for your help,

Warm wishes,

Léa Di Francesco (talk) 10:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Léa Di Francesco Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the information I have placed on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Léa Di Francesco Welcome to Teahouse! Someone wrote on your talk page, that you must declare WP:PAID editor status. Before you do anything else, make sure you comply with that. Without references, none of your proposed edits will be accepted, so worthwhile going through the Wikipedia:Tutorial which includes adding references. Congratulations on the Museum internship! If you have questions/want feedback on any of your users, feel free to tag/ping me on my talk page or ask at Teahouse again again. Always happy to help newer editors out! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Léa Di Francesco I'm sorry but I don't see how any of the above Wikipedia articles will be improved by adding a link to the your museum. The connections you mention seem to be quite incidental. Per Wikipedia: External Links, links should only be included if the information supplied at the link itself (not at the museum) provides further information about the subject of the article.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Léa Di Francesco. I'm afraid that what your management have asked you to do is to introduce blatant promotion into Wikipedia. Please don't. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

All of your edits that mention the Little Museum - both via your account and as IP address 185.58.19.230 before you created your account - have been reverted. Per comments above by experienced Teahouse Hosts, mention of the museum is forbidden promotion, compounded by fact that you did not provide references. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Léa Di Francesco: All the above is correct.

However, there is something you could do that would help the museum while conforming with Wikipedia guidelines! Have a look at the page Little Museum of Dublin, and suggest constructive changes on the talk page. To do so, edit Talk:Little Museum of Dublin, create a new section, start it by the magic code {{request edit}}, and propose changes in a "change X to Y, add Z, remove W" format. For instance, the article says the museum was nominated in 2012 for the European Museum of the Year award, but without citation - if you can find a citation if it is true or ask for removal if it is not, that would surely improve the article. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.
^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.
^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.
^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.
^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.
^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.
^ White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.

Constant Harassment by Wikipedia for Donations

I like wikipedia but I resent your constant harassment for donations. If I want to donate, I will. Stop interrupting my seaches to ask for money Wikipedia is WORSE THAN THE HARI CHRISNERS. STOP IT. I was going to donate but now I am not. If wikipedia keeps it up I am going to contact the authorities. 2603:8001:4500:E31:D0FF:4FE7:80E5:96B (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. Not one of the volunteer editors here who add content to articles receives any financial benefit. We simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. Thank you! Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 21:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Which authorities would these be? (Meanwhile, I'm readying my popcorn for a Wikipedia versus hari chrisners rumble.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

With "My Sweet Lord" playing in the background? On an Airplane!?Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 21:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary That'd probably be @User:JBrungs (WMF) over at this page. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Here is some info and background about Wikimedia finances on Hacker News: [18]

Here is a Daily Dot article about just how much money the Wikimedia Foundation is asking for these days: [19]

If you feel unhappy with the fundraising tactics – many of us here do – then share those or similar links online. Complaints here, while welcome, will have little effect on Wikimedia fundraising policy. --Andreas JN 466 10:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Where to find information on accepted use of punctuation inside/outside of parentheses and quotation marks

Greetings! A minor question: I know different "wiki"-style sites vary on certain points of style, so is there a page or other resource where I can find accepted style on Wikipedia for placement of punctuation (such as periods) inside or outside parentheses or quotation marks? Thank you! RiverCityRelay (talk) 10:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse,RiverCityRelay. That's a good question. Does MOS:PUNCTREF answer it sufficiently for your purposes? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah! Thank you. It wasn't in the specific section where that link leads, but I found it on the same page at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Punctuation_inside_or_outside. Much appreciated! RiverCityRelay (talk) 10:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Archiving Links

I read this, but I still cannot understand how I will add the archived version of the link to the reference section. Please explain me the Manual Archiving part. Thanks ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 09:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Manual archiving basically filling out the relevant parameters in the citation template, like |archive-url= and |archive-date. The documentation for each citation template like {{cite web}} explains which parameter is which. However, there's a tool that makes archiving much easier. Go to the page history, and you'll find a "Fix dead links" link near the top. It'll take you to an external site, where a bot will fill out those citation template parameters for you, as well as archive any sites that haven't been archived already. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Ganbaruby. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 11:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I delete my draft page?

Hi, I have a page I've been working on that I've decided it's not relevant on Wikipedia at this point in time. I am aware that it will be deleted automatically in a month or so of no edits; nevertheless is there a way to do so now? (It's still a draft, haven't yet submitted to AfC)

Thanks Xland44 (talk) 12:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

If you are the only significant contributor to the draft, you as author can use criterion G7. Tag the draft with {{Db-g7}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Cheers, this is what I was looking for, thank you :)Xland44 (talk) 12:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Manoj Kumar Goswami

Courtesy link: Draft:Manoj Kumar Goswami

My Articles has been declined 2 times. How to get my article approved? Manojwiki2021 (talk) 12:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Manoj, looking over your article it seems to lack credible sources and references. All of the existing sources on this article are either inclusions in a list, personal blogs, or brief mentions.

Add reliable sources, e.g news articles, for a much better chance at having your article accepted. Best of luck, --Xland44 (talk) 12:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

The intended article is called "Manoj Kumar Goswami" and your username is "Manojwiki2021". Is this autobiography? If so, be aware that autobiography is strongly discouraged (WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY) and it is essential that you declare a conflict of interest (WP:COI). Feline Hymnic (talk) 12:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Manojwiki2021: (edit conflict) First of all, please disclose if you are associated in any way with the subject of the article. If you are not, you will probably need to change your username, which makes it look like you are writing about yourself.

As has been explained by the latest reviewer who declined the draft, you should provide references that are simultaneously (1) more than passing mentions (such as inclusion in a list), (2) from a reliable source (not self-published blogs), and (3) independent of the subject (not a praise article in the same journal where they have been publishing articles for ten years).

If (and only if) you can find such sources should you continue to work on the draft. In that case, there are a couple of things to improve. For instance, in response to increasing terrorist activities associated with the Assam conflict is not immediate to understand to a non-Indian reader, this should be replaced by a link to the Assam separatist movements (by the way this article looks in poor shape). Further, Goswami's highly acclaimed documentary Anshu-Everest calling was shown in various international film festival is problematic in many regards - you should not put external links in the body of the article, "highly-acclaimed" is loaded language that should be avoided, "various international film festival[s]" - which ones, where is proof? Tigraan (talk) 12:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Submission and review of the article

Hi, I am new user to Wikipedia. And I wrote an article and submitted it. Now when can I expect to be reviewed and approved in the Wikipedia page.

Thanks,

Ben Htnahsarp2021 (talk) 14:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Your draft at User talk:Htnahsarp2021/sandbox has not been submitted for review. If you did submit it in its current form it would be declined, as the text is not supported by properly cited references. The content of your user page is not appropriate, see WP:User pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Htnahsarp2021: Hello Htnah! There is no exact time as to when your draft will be reviewed. I am not seeing any sign that you've submitted your draft (which appears to currently located at User:Htnahsarp2021/sandbox) for review, however if you were to submit it, one of the major issues with it currently is that the subject does not seem to be notable, as you've only provided one source for the entire article. Some helpful links would be WP:YFA and WP:NOTABILITY as well as WP:RS so you know what sources are able to be used to establish notability. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, you don't need your draft to be in your Userpage, sandbox, and sandbox talk page. In fact it should only be in the sandbox. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Htnahsarp2021, moving your talk page to main space is not how to create an article. Please review the links given to you in the responses above. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Whence my draft

Hello, I am fairly new to Wikipedia and am wondering why a page I created two months ago is still in draft and never goes live? What should I do about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:David_Levison&oldid=1047437253 Charlie.loinsigh (talk) 14:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Charlie.loinsigh Welcome to Teahouse! I submited your draft for you, it wasn't submitted before. You can link to your draft with Draft:David Levison and don't need to repeat the title in the body of the text. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

My Requests For Rollback and Pending Changes Review Not Yet Answered

Hello. I had earlier placed requests for rollback and pending changes reviewer permissions. The reasons are listed on the respective pages. However, there hasn't been any response. Is there any problem?
Thank You Kpddg (talk) 14:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kpddg you asked in the right place. They'll let you know. There isn't more we can do in Teahouse. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Be patient and they will be answered. Everyone here is a volunteer so your requests won't be answered quickly. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Thank You! Kpddg (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Finding a cat article for Peer Review

I am new here but would like to get involved in Peer Review and Good Article work. I was thinking of finding an article related to cats to improve and then nominate. Where can I find a list of articles about cats? Fullegente (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

See List of cat breeds. 122.170.51.88 (talk) 13:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Fullegente (talk) 13:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Fullegente: Also Category:Cats contains all sorts of stuff related to cats, not just different breeds. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 14:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to be an editor so politically bias and misleading entries can be corrected.

76.184.11.166 (talk) 14:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. You would be welcome to make changes to any article if you genuinely believe it needs fixing, and can support your improvements with citations to reliable sources (not personal blogs, opinions, or known bad news outlets.) You don’t have to register for a free account to improve articles, but it will make it much better experience. I will leave you a few helpful links in a welcome message on your talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

How to get wikipedia green tickmark and red cross

Hello. I had a problem while editing the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_celebrities_portrayed_in_video_games

I wanted to add a new row for Danny Trejo, and in the column, "Portrayed by themselves", I wanted to add a green tickmark but i coudnt find it, so I have written "yes" as placeholder for now. Please see if you can edit it

thanks, SleepyWooloo

. SleepyWooloo (talk) 07:11, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @SleepyWooloo and welcome to Teahouse. I added Far Cry 6 for Danny Trejo as per your request. You can go and see there. And for your question about the tick mark, you can use just copy paste the following (including the second brackets):

It will render out like

this. I hope I was able to help you out. If not please don't bother to tell me. I will always be there to help you. Happy editing. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 07:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@SleepyWooloo Just want to add to the above: If you click the blue link inside the curly brackets {{Tick}}you get to this page:Template:Tick, and if you scroll down there, you will see all the other signs (f.e. "red cross" =

),you may need. --Maresa63 ^Talk 15:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Maresa63 and @Itcouldbepossible Thank you for your help! 🙂

User talk:SleepyWooloo

Autoconfirmed user

if you want to put an update/correction about a fact on a page, and it says you have to be "autoconfirmed user" to edit, how do I become one? e.g. Sami Khedira = UEFA Champions League Runner-up in the season 2016-17 (while playing for Juventus). Harald Bluetooth Connecting (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Harald Bluetooth Connecting: As far as I can tell you are autoconfirmed – that's an automatic thing that happens to registered users after 4 days and 10 edits. Do you get a message saying you can't edit that page, when you try to do that? --bonadea contributions talk 15:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Just adding another thing: the red notice that says "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse." at the top of the edit window in Sami Khedira is displayed to all editors. If you do get an edit window where you can change the article text, you don't need to worry about that notice. --bonadea contributions talk 15:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I need help with my user page....

I am a new user who just joined Wikipedia. I would like to ask if there is anything else I could add to my user page? ----VermillionLavender (talk) 15:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@VermillionLavender: Hello Vermillion! You can check out WP:USERPAGE for what you can and can't add to your userpage. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello VermillionLavender. If you click on the names of editors who've asked or answered questions (unless the person has a name in red), you'll be taken to their user pages, and you'll see some just have one line, and some have lots of information. If you look at my user page you'll see I'm interested in classic children's literature, because that's something I want Wiki folks to know. But you won't see my full name, or where I live or work, because that's not important here. Best wishes on your upcoming Wikipedia adventures. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Verm ajay In contrast, I don't have a problem using my real name and can easily handle any issues that could cause. I do think it's nice to say a bit about your interests, as it helps people understand your rationale for editing. Don't reveal any person information about yourself that you might regret later on. When I started, I used my userpage to collate useful links, tips and tools that made my work easier. They're still there today, and I often refer back to it. Good luck on your own, personal Wikipedia Adventure. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

A recommendation for userboxes that I have is to put them in a table. That way, you can keep them tidy and don't have to worry about how to float all of your userboxes like This Example (from my sandbox). Explodicator7331 (talk) 15:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Isn't Rush an important prog rock band?

2600:6C51:407F:EA2A:E536:D569:B22E:43FD (talk) 14:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP! A band's importance is irrelevant here on Wikipedia. A band may be important but if it's not notable then it doesn't get to have an article. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

We have an article on them: Rush (band). Mysterious Whisper (talk) 15:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

In the Wikipedia URL "Progressive Rock" there is a concise list of prog rock bands that doesn't include Rush. It is just my studied opinion that both Rush's music and lyrics represent unique contributions to the genre. I don't think that this view is remotely controversial, actually, so I'd like to see them added to the list. Thanks so much for your consideration, Kay.

2600:6C51:407F:EA2A:E536:D569:B22E:43FD (talk) 15:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia relies on what is published in reliable sources, not the studied opinions of its contributors. If you can find a professional music reviewer who agrees with your opinion, feel free to edit the page and cite them, but adding your own view is Wikipedia:Original research and not allowed. Music genres are generally a source of much controversy, so we tend to be even more strict than usual about sources. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I see they're already listed as a prog rock band, and they're mentioned at progressive rock. Can you be more specific about the article that's concerning you? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I see no such list at Progressive rock, though Rush is mentioned a few times. There is a link to List of progressive rock artists, which lists only musicians who "performed progressive rock as a solo artist". We don't seem to have a List of progressive rock bands, it just redirects to the other article. Mysterious Whisper (talk) 15:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Errmm List of progressive rock artists does include bands, please re-read the lead, and look at the content - Arjayay (talk) 15:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Looking at that page's history, Rush were deleted, without any reason being given, in this edit - albeit that they had been added in slightly the wrong place, and did not include a citation to confirm their eligibility - 15:26, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Looking at the talk page, Arjayay, that does seem to be the reason. Re-adding them should be as simple as finding a suitable source from the main article and including it with the list entry. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

My mistake, you're correct that List of progressive rock artists includes bands, though both the title and the lede say it's a list of "artists" and I wouldn't have thought that term would be used to refer to both solo acts and groups. I would think it should be called "List of progressive rock bands and artists", but perhaps I'm mistaken there as well. Mysterious Whisper (talk) 16:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I delete a drafted article I know nothing about?

I tried to make an article draft on something I thought I knew about, but I ended up realizing that I knew nothing about the topic I was writing about. How do I delete the draft? Thanks in advance. Explodicator7331 (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

If you are talking about your user sandbox, you can tag it with either {{Db-u1}} or {{Db-g7}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm talking about a userspace draft page. Is that (sorta) the same thing or no? Explodicator7331 (talk) 16:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Explodicator7331, {{Db-u1}} also covers user subpages (User:Example/subpage) so for example User:Explodicator7331/Mario AI would be covered by that. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try to research a topic before I draft it up next time. Explodicator7331 (talk) 16:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

My edit keeps getting reverted on the Elon Musk page

Hi lovely people,

My Edit on the Elon Musk page keeps getting reverted. I dispute that he has spread misinformation, but respect that his views are politically controversial.

He has not spread "misinformation" regarding the Covid-19 pandemic and I believe this was the contributor's opinion, however he does hold some interesting views on the subject which I mentioned and referenced.

Please see my edit which referenced numerous articles relating to these views. Should I re-do it, but changing covid-19 misinformation to "controversial views relating to Covid restrictions", then give his political views in relation to these and the population issue in a different section?. There are lots of articles on it. It is easily referenced.

I note that someone mentioned that it shouldn't be in the introductory section. I'm inclined to agree, so whatever we decide to do about the Covid views, I think it should be moved to lower on the page.

Everything I mentioned in the edit was correctly sourced and included direct quotations, I didn't provide any opinion. If someone would like to tell me where they think an unreferenced opinion has been published, I'll make sure that I clearly source it.

Unfortunately this doesn't look like balanced information at present, so it would be good if we can form a consensus about what should be included.

Regards

L

}} Lyndsay Dart (talk) 16:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

The place for discussion of that article, and reaching consensus, is Talk:Elon Musk. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, Lyndsay Dart, this has already been discussed on the talk page where it's been clearly established that Musk absolutely did spread COVID misinformation. Wikipedia is in the business of reliably sourcing and documenting facts, not in twisting the truth to kiss up to a centibillionaire business mogul. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Need Maintenance Button

FYI

– Fixed header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, is there a button or a page that will take me to or show me a list of pages that need maintenance? 104.187.66.104 (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you were finding WP:Tasks page. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 18:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for wanting to help. Check out WP:BACKLOG RudolfRed (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Error loading Redwarn?

When i go on to any article, is says that i cannot use Redwarn because i am not confirmed. What does that mean? --― PingingA^Talk 17:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@PingingA: To use redwarn at all you need to be autoconfirmed, which means you must have made at least 10 edits and have had your account for at least 4 days. To use some of the more powerful features you need to be extendedconfirmed, which means that you must have made 500 edits and have had your account for 30 days. These limits are put in place to make it more difficult for vandals to mis-use the tool and because these kind of automated editing tools can make a lot of mess very quickly if misused. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Wait, but your an IP. Your not autoconfirmed are you --― PingingA^Talk 18:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@PingingA: They're not autoconfirmed, but they could have been around for a very long time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense thank you --― PingingA^Talk 19:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Economy infobox

Can someone please help me fix the economy infobox of egypt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Egypt i think its a references or format problem. Devastatedpillar (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Devastatedpillar: welcome to the Teahouse, there were some thing wrong with the references it should all be fixed now. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 20:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, for future reference, ask a question here, or at the Help Desk. Not in both places. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

What happens to rejected drafts?

Is there any procedure or a rule that the Draft would be deleted after it has been already rejected multiple times? 122.170.51.88 (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP address and welcome to Teahouse! Drafts are declined, not rejected. If a draft is not edited for 6 months, it's automatically deleted and can be WP:REFUNDED but otherwise, no Drafts can be worked on forever. There is WP:No deadline. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Shushugah Actually, drafts can be Rejected, and if resubmitted after a Rejection, likely to be deleted. Also, drafts, submitted or not, can be deleted if a copyright infringement is involved, or if so blatently promotional that the reviewing Administrator will delete. David notMD (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Posting a Biography for my CEO

Hello,

My name is Enzo and I am a first time writer here on Wikipedia. I am looking to create a wikipedia page for my CEO, Dan Morehead of Pantera Capital. My post was declined because I am writing about someone I am associated to.

Could someone please help me with setting up this page and help guide me in the right direction?

Thanks, -Enzo Bachaumard Dan Morehead Pantera (talk) 19:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dan Morehead Pantera and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I have rather a lot of bad news for you, and a long list of reading you should do. First, your draft will be quickly be deleted because it is a copyright violation (see WP:Copyright violations). Second, you have a conflict of interest which you must declare (see WP:COI). Third, if you are not Dan Morehead, you should not use a username which implies you are Dan Morehead (see WP:Username policy).

So - you need to either change your username or abandon this account for a new one; you need to declare your COI; and then, if you want to continue trying to create an article, check out WP:Your first article. We do have a place to request that articles be written (Wikipedia:Requested articles), but it's heavily backlogged and there's no guarantee that anyone will ever look at your request. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:15, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Per your Talk page, your account is now blocked, and can only be unblocked by resolving the points made in the block. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Enzo. I suspect that, like many people, you (and probably your CEO) have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is not like social media or a business directory, where you can just tell the world about somebody or something: in fact "telling the world about" is regarded as promotion here, and forbidden. What Wikipedia does is to summarise what independent reliable sources have already said about a subject. If enough independent material (that is, not written or published by Morehead or his associates or your company) has been published about Morehead to base an article on (but not otherwise) then there could be a Wikipedia article about him. It will not behis page - it will not belong to him, he (and you) will not control its content, and it could end up saying things he doesn't want said. The article should preferably not be written by you, but if you make the necessary declarations as a paid editor, and take care to make the article a neutral summary of independent sources, then you are allowed to create a draft and submit it for review. It should be based almost entirely on what those people unconnected with him or the company have chosen to publish about nim, not on what he or his associates say or want to say. And if there are sources which are critical of him, they should be used too. --ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Can someone volunteer to add an edit for me, as I can't seem to be able to master the edit process myself?

In 2015 St. John Fisher College of Rochester, NY, awarded Rudy Giuliani an Honorary Doctorate. I would like to add this fact to the college's Wiki site, plus Mr. Giuliani's Wiki site. Barnabywombat (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Your Contributions show no edits to either of those. Perhaps you were logged in? David notMD (talk) 22:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Barnabywombat welcome to teahouse! We are all volunteer editors here, so it's best you learn how to do it, and we can help along the way. Check out the tutorial WP:TUTORIAL and WP:EASYREFBEGINto add a citation (which you're missing). Then you can either attempt to add it, or make a suggestion at Talk:St. John Fisher College or Talk:Rudy Giuliani. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Removal of text

Hi there. During some recent changes patrol, I saw a user remove a large chunk of text from Afro-Mexicans. They are insisting I revert my change. I am AGF, but I didn't find the removal constructive or sufficiently explained. I tried tagging two admins I know, but got no reply. Is tagging an admin or experienced user the right thing to do in this situation? Could someone more experienced please assist? This account has been reported for sock-puppetry too. Thanks Such-change47 (talk) 22:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

If it's obvious vandalism, WP:AIV is the place to go (saying this for others reading). If it's a content dispute without WP:BLP give it a few more days to let it be resolved. It's not clear which page you're talking about, but I see you've made attempts at communication in other cases. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Looking at the edits on Afro-Mexicans, it definitely raises red flags with me, too. As is said above, content disputes should play out on the Talk Page of the article, but I will watch the page. It might be necessary to take further action if not for vandalism, then for content, e.g. a Third Opinion. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

Do entries on disambiguation pages go in any specific order? The Tips of Apmh 18:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh Welcome to teahouse! See Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Sometimes there are multiple categories for groups of ambiguous titles. For example see Chosen which is not alphabetical and seems logical to me. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah: I'm referring to the individual entries. How are they ordered? --The Tips of Apmh 22:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh I gave the example of Chosen because nothing about it is alphabetical. I'd say the most common/likely category goes on top, and within that, the most common reference the book The Chosen (Potok novel) is more common than other book names hence it goes on top. In extraordinary cases where there is a disagreement on what's logical/useful, someone can raise it on the talk page. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Automated notification thresholds

I just made my ten thousandth edit. Yay! I was curious. What are the "thresholds" at which point the wikipedia system automatically sends you one of those little notifications letting you know of a edit milestone? I didn't get one I believe at 5,000 for example, but I did at 100, 1,000 and now 10,000. Just curious if this is listed anywhere. ♥Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk)♥ 22:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Welcome to the teahouse. In my POV, (point of view,) I only reached 2,000 edits as of now, so really as of now don't know. However, it's possible-I think there is only up to 1,000. But other editors may experience a different perspective, maybe a different notification may appear if you get 100,000 edits. However, I don't think that's possible. Any other editors may share this experience below. Severestorm28 (talk) 22:59, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, for a comment, it's remarkable for a user to reach 10,000 edits in just 3-4 months. I think you have contributed significantly as well. Severestorm28 (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: mw:Help:Notifications/Types#Milestone says 1st, 10th, 100th, 1,000th, 10,000th, 100,000th, and 1,000,000th edits. But it appears to be obsolete. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllMessages?prefix=notification-header-thank-you shows one more for 10,000,000 at MediaWiki:Notification-header-thank-you-10000000-edit. Nobody has reached that here, not even a bot according to Wikipedia:List of bots by number of edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @PrimeHunter:. I appreciate that response. Thats the info I was looking for. ♥Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk)♥ 23:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Something is on my User Page and I can't remove it...

While I was making my User Page, I wanted to make a section that has User Boxes of places I've visited, but when I finished editing my page, a word "error" appeared. Did I do something wrong? ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by VermillionLavender (talk • contribs) 23:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi VermillionLavender, and welcome to the teahouse. No biggie, just an i missing in Mississippi. It should be displayed correctly now :) – NJD-DE (talk) 23:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Also I noticed that the text and userboxes were flowing weirdly. I took the liberty of fixing that by adding {{clear}} between the two sections. Maybe someone has a more elegant approach, but that did the trick. Ofc, if you don't like it, go ahead and change it. – NJD-DE (talk) 00:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Disagreeing with a reviewer

What do you do if you disagree with a reviewer? Are the reviewers here just trying trying to drum up business for themselves? I have spend many moths moths writing my article only to have it rejected by revieers for completely bogus reasons. Engineersone88 (talk) 22:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Engineersone88 welcome to teahouse! Conflicts are common, but that dismissive attitude won't get you far. First try discussing it on the talk page of the article, and see WP:BRD for conflict/resolution advice. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Eimear McGeown Declined three times, and not clear from a fast look that the copyright infringement has been resolved. Many comments (with some weird duplication). FYI - Reviewers are unpaid volunteers. David notMD (talk) 22:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

REPSONSE: Thankyou . You are the first person that has actually given me real reason with advice. I am very dissapointed in the reviewers who think that slapping a copyright claim for no reaosn at all , and is not in 'good faith' and doesnt help the author in anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engineersone88 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Engineersone88 Wikipedia is not a gentle place. 'It' has a habit of giving as good as it gets if poked with a stick. But it is a collegial place if treated 'right'.

I've left you some thoughts on your own talk page. Probably there is better than in more open forum.

The main advice is to double check that sentences you have used are not accidental or intended close paraphrasing of external sources. The reason editors here are hot on that is that copyright infringement, even accidental, can get Wikipedia into a slew of problems. We protect Wikipedia fiercely and that can sometimes come over as fierce. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

REPSONSE: you are wonderful Fiddle Faddle. Thankyou for all your help and advice. I really appreciatte it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engineersone88 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Image Copyright question

I have been working on a page and would like to include a scanned copy (photograph) of the cover of a magazine / course catalogue that was from a business that closed over 40 years ago. I worked for the company but was not the editor of the magazine. I have been through many of the Wikipedia question forums and cannot find anything that clearly says I can or can not use this image. Thanks for any help here. IainEdwards (talk) 18:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@IainEdwards welcome to Teahouse! I'm not an expert on copyright, but see WP:NFCC for fair use rationales, and check out Commons project which is separate project. English Wikipedia has no say about the policies/files uploaded in Wikimedia Commons, but we do have restricted usage of fair use files. Happy editing and lawyering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @IainEdwards. I'm not an expert either, but this would seem to fall into a grey area of non-free content use (see this for some examples of what is/is not allowed). The cover itself is probably still under copyright. In an article about the magazine itself, it would be usable with the appropriate rationale; in an article about the company, it's murkier. If you have a section in the article specifically talking about the magazine, that would be a good rationale for use of the image. Also, I assume you'd be taking/have taken the photograph yourself? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi IainEdwards. I'm just going to add some more to what has been posted above. The scan you made of the photo is almost certainly not eligible for its own copyright as explained in c:Commons:2D copying. That means there are possibly two copyrights that need to be considered: one for the photo and one for the cover art. If the photo itself is basically a slavish reproduction of the cover, then it too would not eligible for it's own copyright for pretty much the same reason as the scan; so, that only leaves the copyright status on the cover art to resolve. When a company goes out of business, it might cease all of it's everyday operations but it still most likely retains all of its assets. One of these assest might be the intellectual property rights (e.g. copyrights) to content it has created and these are generally still going to be in effect and held by the company, unless they sell them off or transfer them to some other party. Forty years is not really a long term when in comes to copyright status; so, it's likely that the copyright on the cover art is still held by the company or its representatives absent any other reason that it might now be considered to be within the public domain. You might want to ask about these things at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright because that's where you'll tend find people familiar with this type of matter who may be able to give you a more specific answer. Commons is also where such a file should most likely be uploaded if the cover is no longer eligible or never was eligible for copyright protection. Copyright laws can sometimes vary greatly from country to country; so, the more information you provide about the provenance of the cover are, the more likely someone over at Commons is going to be able to help you.

As for non-free content use, cover art for published works (e.g. magazines, albums, books, newspapers, video games, DVD box sets) are generally OK to use per item 1 of WP:NFCI when it is being used for primary identification purposes at the top of or in the main infobox of a stand-alone article about the work in question; so, a non-free book cover is generally OK to use in a stand-alone article about the book, a non-free album cover is generally OK to use in a stand-alone article about the album and so on. Trying to use non-free cover art in other types of articles or in other types of ways, however, is much harder to do as explained here. So, it would probably be OK to use such a cover for primary identification purposes in a stand-alone article about the magazine itself, but not OK to use in a subsection of an article about the company that published the magazine, even if that subsection was about the magazine. If you've got any questions about non-free content use, you can ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Rafal Rohozinski

Would someone review Rafal Rohozinski I have read the references, there is nothing there to suggest it’s notable. The wikipage has been edited mainly by 3+ WP:SPA, it’s a CV, very puffery. If not notable I will suggest Afd.

--Devokewater ^(talk) 20:45, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Devokewater: I'll take a look. It would help if the bare refs were filled in and there wasn't so much redlinking. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I delete a draft?

I did a draft, and someone out-drafted me. I'd like to know how to delete a draft. Thanks. Mobius Gerig (talk) 03:26, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

If you're the only major contributor to it, tag it with {{db-g7}}. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Potd

Hello, I want to use potd in my userpage without caption. How can I do this? Thanks Spotanus (talk) 04:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spotanus: Are you looking for {{POTD}}? If you don't even want the short line of text that comes with that, the name of the file can be obtained with {{POTD/{{#time:Y-m-d}}|image}}. You can use that in a thumbnail like [[File:{{POTD/{{#time:Y-m-d}}|image}}|thumb|caption goes here]] works (I've put that on the side). ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh (2)

Who is the builder of Amer Fort?^[1]^[2] -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Karsan Chanda, you have many questions (not always understandable) about your draft. Its subject is a matter of history. As I have already said, for matters of history, look in history books. If you have no access to history books, consider redirecting your energy to some other subject area. -- Hoary (talk) 06:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

New page reviewer needed

Any new page reviewer or senior Wikipedian Draft:Farhan Ahmed Jovan check this article it has been unchecked for 1-2 month please check it. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: Reviews might take several months. There are currently a few thousand articles in that queue. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually, it is not a queue, so a Reviewer could act on in it days, weeks, or (sadly) months. No means to speed that up. David notMD (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

२ तकर पेप्सी I am not a reviewer, but I looked over your draft and noticed a large percentage of your references are not in the English language. Many volunteer reviewers may only be fluent in one language, and so they may decide to not "check" an article that has sources they can't verify has information about Farhan Ahmed Jovan. Since you have written this article for the English Wikipedia it may be wise to make the job of the volunteer reviewers as easy as possible by finding references written in English, to replace the foreign language ones you are currently using. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Or asking at a WikiProject which is likely to have active users who can read that language (say, WP:WikiProject India). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I just wanted to update one thing.

Hi, I have never edited before, and it’s a rabbit hole I can’t afford to go down. But the page on abortion in New Mexico was out of date—the ban repeal was signed into law last March—and that seemed important enough that I created an account just to update it. Unfortunately, I put the reference in the text, because I don’t know how to make footnotes. Can somebody else fix this? The URL is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_New_Mexico

Thank you. Lise73 (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Right place, needed ref ends. Ref fixed David notMD (talk) 06:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is there so much "background" information about abortion in general and also about the US as a whole and other states? The article should stick to the topic of its title and not rehash content that belongs in other articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

A four-column list converted to a table?

Is there a way to turn a four-column list which uses the "div-col" template into a sortable table with the same four columns? For example, I'd like to turn the contributions list on my user page here into a table with sorting parameters, but automatically filling space in the four-column format. I'm not having much luck with finding sample coding I'm looking for in the specific template description pages. CYAce01 (talk) 04:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01: If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to have one table, but displayed as four columns? To my knowledge, that's not possible, and the section on your user page looks fine as it is. A word of advice: you really don't have to be keeping track of which pages you've edited because you'll start racking up pages so fast it's not that worthy of your time to keep track anymore. Also, see WP:EDITCOUNTIS. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

...and for pages you’ve actually started, you might like this report. For a list of the pages you’ve edited the most, see this report. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01 I am not sure if there’s a simpler, more elegant way, but my own approach to that problem would be to create and polish the table in Excel and then use one of our tools to convert it to source code. I did precisely that for the sortable species table at List of species and habitats of principal importance in England. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: and @Nick Moyes: Thanks for the great, timely responses and advice. My contributions list on my user page started as a simple link system so I could quickly go to my projects and keep working. The list just grew from there. After getting the list to its current state, I wanted to be able to sort alphabetically (without re-writing the list) and use the new research as a learning exercise to keep building my user page. But, if it's not possible, well...now I know (still something I can add to the tool belt). I probably won't record after 250 unique pages or so. Also, I use Excel for various wikipedia info. Therefore, it sounds like I might be on the right track! Thanks again! CYAce01 (talk) 06:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01 You’re welcome. One other thing you could try is copying an existing table of roughly the same size from somewhere, and using WP:VE to copy/paste in the appropriate content to each cell. I agree with you in that it can be worthwhile doing these things purely as a learning exercise. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ironically, I've been in my user sandbox for a couple hours, researching/experimenting with coding the table in question, borders, etc. Not much is finalized so far, but it's relaxing! Just one big puzzle! CYAce01 (talk) 09:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

stating elevation variation

I'm writing a new article for a place and I haven't been able to find a definitive citation for the elevation above sea level. I've input the average and references for information.

I attempted to add '±18' to show the margin of error (in metres) but this causes a formatting error when parsed because it interferes with the automatic unit conversion (to feet)

How should I show the margin of error? Naivejoe (talk) 09:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(Courtesy link: Draft:Weberville)

Naivejoe Per the documentation of Template:Infobox_settlement, if a range in elevation (i.e. 5–50 m ) is desired, use the "max" and "min" fields below. I would try replacing elevation_m=519 by elevation_min_m=501|elevation_max_m=537. (If you want to use the A±B notation, I do not know how to do that, I suspect it is not possible within the template.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Is over-citing a bad thing? How much is too far?

Hi there, i'm working to get a few more articles some more citations, eventually taking the long-road to getting to at-least a GA state. I've noticed that in some FA's that there is much citing, and it almost feels like too much citing. Take this former FA article for example. On almost every sentence there is a citation, the article being a radio station it makes sense to have more of a play-by-play history. But personally I'd think it'd make more sense to simply summarize that info into a few citations at the end. TDLR: How many citations are truly needed. Fadedmax (talk) 02:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fadedmax. You may find these links helpful: WP:CITEDENSE and WP:OVERCITE. A fairly decent overview is at Wikipedia:Citing sources. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fadedmax. Your idea of a a few citations at the end is not a good solution because Wikipedia's core content policy Verifiability requires that any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly support the material. So, a few citations at the end is not sufficient to meet that policy for a featured article or a good article or any halfway decent article, and if any other editor challenges the content, inline citations must be provided. Best practice calls for providing those sources in advance of a challenge. Cullen328 (talk) 04:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

And unlike in a university paper, other people move/re-arrange content so it isn't always clear what references what, unless it's regularly cited after each and every claim @Fadedmax ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

False accusations

Hi. What is wrong with this clown who keeps reverting my edits on "Campbell"? Can someone help me out here? 49.178.80.22 (talk) 12:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The problem is you. And don't be insulting to other editors. The target article does not explicitly define Graeme Campbell (politician) as a 'hate speaker', and a disambiguation page is only there to help separate different people of the same name. Finer details about them should be in the article itself. Please don't WP:EDITWAR over this or you will be blocked from further editing, as you have already overstepped the 3-revert rule. Keep your personal opinions out of this encyclopaedia, and focus on using Reliable Sources to improve articles - which may well include highlighting well-reported and unpleasant activities by the subjects. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

IP reported to administrators for vandalism after final warning. Polyamorph (talk) 12:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

yeah. I noticed they continued their edit-warring even after they'd posted here. So I've blocked them for a day or two to calm down and avoid further disruption. When they return they need to be less insulting towards other editors and engage politely in discussions over content prior to getting into an edit-war. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Regardless of how clownish others may be, reverting edits in quick succession is edit-warring, which you should not do. You already did so five times within a day, which is the direct reason why you were just blocked. Do not do this again once the block expires.

The above applies regardless of whether your edit is right or wrong, but furthermore, adding "hate speaker" to a person’s description goes against Wikipedia’s guidelines. You should not use value-laden words (unless attributed to a reliable source and even then only if due weight warrants such a citation); see MOS:LABEL. Note that this is independent of whether or not that person is actually a "hate speaker" (whatever such a vague term implies), so there is no point in attempting to convince us of that.

Notice how your edit to the Graeme Campbell page, although imperfect due to other name-calling stuff (e.g. "neo-Nazi"), has not been reverted. I would bet that has to do with the fact that it gives specific facts in a (more or less) neutral tone and with references.

Finally, please read our guideline that makes civility a requirement. Calling others "clowns" in the fashion you did is a breach of that. Note that you need to be civil even if others are actually clowns, assholes, etc. or uncivil towards you. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan Unfortunately, I have actually just removed their addition of the section you refer to because, whilst neutral in tone, it seems to be about the party this man founded, rather than allegations about him. I felt the content might be better off within that article (Australia First), than about its founder. I have advised the IP editor to discuss the matter at Talk:Graeme Campbell (politician) if they wish to pursue this matter once their block expires, and not to engage in tit-for-tat edit-warring again. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

IP, if you can present reliable sources for a claim that some Australian politician has been convicted of contravening a law regarding hate speech, and if you can describe this in a concise, dispassionate and convincing way (of course citing those reliable sources), then propose an addition to the article. The place to do this is the talk page that accompanies the article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Spitting a page, talk page discussion

Hello,

I was reading the page on Smart contracts and as I am interested in the technology, I noticed that one of the subsections, "Difference from smart legal contracts" should be split to create a separate page, entitled "Smart contracts".

As the existing page is related to blockchain/crypto, I didn't to jump in an act straight away, instead posting my question on the talk page. Could someone please give advice on how to, either, go about getting the discussion going on the page, or, alternatively, answer my question here?

My basis for the need for a new page is that I think users could be easily confused by the current page, and the creation of a new page would reflect guidance from the UK Law Commission. ^[1] ^[2] ^[3]

Look forward to a response! WonderingCamel (talk) 15:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

WonderingCamel I've answered on the talk page. Usually WP:TH is not the place for content discussions, but rather how to edit Wikipedia. All the WikiProjects that Smart contracts is associated with, would be good places to ask! Happy ledgering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

References

New page request

I want to create a page for a new TB vaccine in clinical trial ready to entry in Phase 3 efficacy studies named MTBVAC. IU already create a page in Wikipedia in Spanish https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuna_MTBVAC and I dont understand why is not possible to translate to English. Carlos Martin Montañes (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuna_MTBVAC

@Carlos Martin Montañes Welcome to teahouse! You got feedback on Draft:MTBVAC indicating that there is copyrighted material. Please respond/address that first. I'd also ask WP:WikiProject Medicine for assistance. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Article Waiting for Review

Hello Teahouse, I am excited to be here. I have recently published an article but it's waiting to be reviewed. I understand there are almost 3,000 pending reviews but I was wondering if there is anything I can do to increase the odds of it being reviewed in terms of days, not months. Walker485 (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Isak Nti Asare was just reviewed, and declined, by Theroadislong. Before resubmitting, you would do well to

Disclose what links you have with that person or their campaign, if any,
Find sources that are simultaneously (1) reliable (i.e. have a reputation for accuracy), (2) independent of the subject, and (3) mention him at length (a short paragraph "X is candidate to election Y" is insufficient).

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, Walker485, please refrain from removing other people’s comments. Ahmed Al Harrasi might have posted to the wrong section, but it does not justify that edit. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't want to risk that other response to be considered as mine and be confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walker485 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

don't worry Walker485, these posts will (usually) be put to a separate section, you don't need to remove them especially since these posts would usually be signed by sinebot after a while. happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) melecie t - 13:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Review

It has been nine weeks now that my article has been waiting for review. What puzzles me is that two weeks after I submitted it some person, apparently in authority, went through it and made various changes. Presumably this person thought it could be published because otherwise what would be the point of changing it? So why could this person not pass it for publication? Roryjohnston (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Since you created Draft:Fred O'Donovan (actor), various persons have adjusted it in some way. Presumably these persons thought that it had at least a moderate chance of publication and that the adjustment was worth their time, but not that they had the time, effort, or subject-area experience to assess it (either passing it or failing it) themselves. -- Hoary (talk) 04:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I edited the article but am not a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Roryjohnston, don't forget to disclose your WP:COI with respect to that draft, and several other articles here on Wikipedia. You were prompted about it a few months ago, but I don't see any disclosures posted anywhere (maybe I missed them?). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Advice on fixing an error in an article image

The article DNA and RNA codon tables contains an image Genetický kód.jpg that contains an error, as explained at Talk:DNA_and_RNA_codon_tables#DNA_Image. The image originally comes from a third party, the Human Genome Project, although the link in the image metadata is broken. The error seems significant to me, so I'd like to fix it, but I'm not sure what is the best approach. I looked at Wikipedia:Inaccuracy, Wikipedia:Accuracy_dispute, and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images but didn't find anything applicable. Options I see:

Look for a different image, possibly in a different source, that could serve as a replacement. Cons include the possibility of a long search and sorting out copyrights if one is found.
Use an image editor to fix the error. Cons include difficulty of matching the existing style and possibly muddying the attribution chain, although the image in question is public domain. If I go this route, should I upload the fix (to Commons) under the same file name, thereby fixing it for all users (it is currently wrong regardless of context), or a new file name?
Create a new image myself that is similar but has the error fixed. Cons include possibly failing to meet desired aesthetic standards.

Suggestions? Smcpeak74 (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC) Smcpeak74 (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smcpeak74: Yeah, that's a pretty bad mistake there. Out of your three options, the third (re-create an image) is likely your best bet. Your new image doesn't have to be super pretty, it just has to convey the information clearly and accurately. You should use c:Template:Own based in this scenario. As for the other two options, existing images with a compatible copyright are hard to come by. You could potentially edit the image, but the background has a texture, and I don't think it'll be pretty (unless you're really good at Photoshop). If you actually do this, I'd upload it as a new image and include c:Template:Derived from and c:Template:Derivative versions in the image information. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually, Smcpeak74, editing the nucleotides on the strand itself should be feasible, because the letters and shapes use solid backgrounds. Not obvious since you need to change the shapes but feasible. If you do not know how to do it yourself, you could hop over to Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Illustration_workshop (but make sure to explain exactly what you want changed). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Didn't know that exists! You learn new things every day. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding images to articles

I understand how to upload the images onto wikipedia and then the article, but I am unsure about the copyright reasons and what I should do before uploading. How Would I do this? Commander0034 (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Commander0034: I presume you are talking about images you did not create yourself. It's good that you ask, because copyright is taken seriously here. If you are unsure of the copyright status of an image that you wish to upload, the experts hang out at WP:MCQ. They will be able to advise on potential use of images. Mjroots (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

RfD

Hello! So I recently created an RFD for the redirect "MediaTek Camera Application" and since I put it up it has been relisted twice, both have resulted in no discussion on the redirect. I'm fairly sure twice is the max amount of times you can relist something. So since there has been no discussion on the redirect what will happen to it? Will the redirect be soft-deleted (treated like an expired PROD or a stale AFD discussion) or will it just be determined as no consensus? Link to the most recent relisting of the discussion is here. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

If this isn't the right place to ask this, please direct me to the appropriate place so I can get my answer. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#The guiding principles of RfD, it says, "If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete." According to that, it should've just been deleted instead of repeatedly relisted; not sure what's going on. Maybe raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion, @Blaze The Wolf? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen: Ah ok, so should I just list the redirect for deletion since the default result for a deletion nomination is delete? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf - good question, but I have no idea what the rule is about non-admin closing your own nomination (since that's basically what you'd be doing). If no one else speaks up about it here, I'd recommend either asking on the RfD talk page, or you could just be bold and do it, and see if anyone yells at you (in IT that's called a "scream test" ;) ). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen: _{Honestly that's how I test how a lot of template and stuff on Wikipedia, I mess with it and see if it yells at me} Alright! I'll ask at the RfD talk page and if no one responds then I'll do a scream test. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: It's not really written down anywhere, but in my experience if no-one comments on your discussion what you proposed is treated as unopposed, and the closer will do whatever you suggested in your nom statement, be it deletion, retargeting, disambiguation etc. If it's not clear what you wanted to happen then it will be closed "no consensus" and the status quo will remain. I wouldn't recommend closing your own discussion, wait for someone else to do it. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 16:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yep, someone at the RFD talk page told me. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: the Wikipedia profile...

...of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Croft_(bishop) major error. His wife, Anne Browne was the daughter of Rev. Jonathan Browne and his first wife, Sarah Graues who died in 1626 a few weeks after the birth of Anne Browne, her daughter.

I have tried to edit the profile of Bishop Herbert Croft 1603-1691 without success. His wife, Anne Browne, was the daughter of Rev Jonathan Browne (1601-1643) and his first wife, Sarah Graues (d. 1626). He married 2nd, Anne (Barne) Lovelace. The references are as follows: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Browne-4388, pls. see references and edit profile of Bishop Herbert Croft. Anna Strutt (talk) 16:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Anna Strutt: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have any other sources? Wikitree is a user-generated site, which makes it unsuitable as a reliable source for Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Denying Bots

Hello, when denying bots to you talk page do you put it like this {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}}

                                                                 {{bots|deny=DPL bot}}

or like this? {{bots|deny=Muninnbot|DPL bot}} and so on.

look at this in source edit. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi Kaleeb18! you do it like {{bots|deny=Mununnbot,DPL bot}}, more can be found over at {{Bots}}. happy editing! melecie t - 13:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I've seen someone use {{bots|deny=all}} but I have no clue if that actually denies all bots or not. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh i could do that. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

As I said I don't know if that actually denies all bots or not. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, but you may not want to. Some newsletters and relevant notices may not get delivered, you couldn't use an archiverbot, images on your talk page could break if they are renamed and who knows what else. Blaze The Wolf yes, it would deny any exclusion compliant bot. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. I wasn't sure if it would only deny a bot called all (which is non-existant) or if it would actually deny all bots. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes that is what i thought so i did not put deny all bots on my talk page. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing articles with multiple issues

Hello! New editor- it's been just a little while and I'm intrigued :) One question- when editing an article with multiple issues, is it common courtesy to try and fix more than one if the issues intersect? I wouldn't think so, but the article I chose to edit here was in need of many spelling and grammar fixes, so I went ahead and copy edited it. The issue is, some of the text that was disputed for not having Npov was more than likely part of the spelling and grammar issues, but I admittedly don't have enough knowledge of the material the article is about to fix the neutrality issues, so I simply left them alone.

Sorry for being so wordy! Thanks for the help. Tabbycat2003 (talk) 09:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Correcting the grammar for a section that's likely to be retained is more likely to be useful than for one that likely to be deleted or rewritten. But you're under no obligations, just do whatever you feel is constructive. I don't see "courtesy" as applying in this context. Maproom (talk) 09:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Noted! I'll keep that on mind when editing future articles. Thank you very much. Tabbycat2003 (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Self Page Question

SunnyLovesBacon4286 (talk) 01:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@SunnyLovesBacon4286: hello weclome to the Teahouse, what exactly is your question? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@SunnyLovesBacon4286: I figured out your question yes you can make a self page (userpage). All you have to do is click on your username in the top right corner of your screen. then you should see something that says userpage. you can then put what you want there. Here is the link to your userpage and here is a link to your talk page ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse, SunnyLovesBacon4286 ! I think it's important to add to Kaleeb18's answer that user pages are not owned by the user, and some guidelines (WP:USERPAGE) exist about what is and isn't allowed. So the phrase you can then put what you want there isn't entirely correct. To put it in two phrases: user pages exist to improve communication and collaboration in the Wikipedia community. In case you are looking for a webhost to spread your ideas, advertise yourself/your company, and so on, then Wikipedia incl. user pages is not the right place. – NJD-DE (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

ah Thank you @Njd-de: I was looking for the page that said that but wouldn't find it ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Just came to my mind that by "self page" they could also mean creating an article on them. This is something strongly discouraged, an example of a conflict of interest, and virtually impossible to be a successful endeavor. (WP:AUTOBIO is the guideline that explains the details for this scenario). – NJD-DE (talk) 18:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Scripts

How to make sure if the script made by a user is safe ro use? —Ctrlwiki • talk • 18:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki there is no best way to check, though if you have knowledge of Javascript/Typescript the best way by far is to check the source code. Generally however, scripts on Wikipedia aren't maliscious as long as you are reasonably careful as to what you install. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:37, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Reference Help

FYI

– Heading added by Tenryuu.

Hello, I am editing the "Meretseger" page, but I do not know how to make a reference. I want to reference "An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary Volume 1 by E. A. Wallis Budge p.311" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.187.66.104 (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

You are probably going to want to consult WP:EASYREFBEGIN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for both, Tenryuu! Turns out, the information I was going to type is already there. But at least now I know how to reference! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.187.66.104 (talk) 00:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Don't forget the year of publication and edition number when you click the "Cite" button in the editing tool you're using, and make sure you choose the best template to fill in (web/book/news/journal are the most commonly used ones). I couldn't see any Vol 1 on Google books when I looked. Maybe it wasn't called that at the time - only after Vol II was produced?

If you are likely to want to cite different pages of the same publication within one article, you might also like to read WP:REFNAME which allows you to allocate a memorable name to your citation (e.g. Budge1), then call it up multiple times, and simply add page numbers afterwards, like this ^[1]^: 311, and then reuse it with a different page number like this.^[1]^: 47 Note that the citation only appears once in the reference list, which avoids the horror of multiple citation entries to the same work. I was unclear which precise page you were referring to, but good luck anyway! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b Wallis Budge, E.A. (1920). An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary: With an Index of English Words (2nd ed.). J. Murray.

Well, technically, it isn't called 'Volume 1'. The cover says "E. A. Wallis Budge An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary In Two Volumes Vol. 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.187.66.104 (talk) 01:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nick, although I use the Rp template in the same way that you do, I notice that our use is "not recommended"; so rather than {{rp|47}} it should be {{rp|page=47}} (though gods know why). If this work really has volume numbers and if we want to refer to volume 1 page 47, then perhaps {{rp|at=1:47}} or {{rp|at=vol. 1 p.47}} or similar. Trying the first: ^[1]^: 1:47 and the second.^[1]^{: vol. 1 p.47} -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

^ ^a ^b Wallis Budge, E.A. (1920). An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary: With an Index of English Words (2nd ed.). J. Murray.

@Hoary Thanks for that. I wasn’t aware of that formatting preference; I’ll have to re-read the {{rp}} documentation and revise my working practices. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I too hadn't been aware of it till a few minutes before posting the message above. And I only looked at Template:Rp/doc because I wondered if it would say anything important or useful about adding volume numbers. I notice that (i) it doesn't even start to say why plain numbers are "not recommended", and (ii) its own first titled section ("Function") uses plain numbers for every one of its examples. The disrecommendation was added by Matthiaspaul in September; it's somehow related to "AMA style", but I don't understand why we should care about AMA style (or, if this matters, why the examples provided ignore this); I am of course open to persuasion, and if he thinks it's important, perhaps Matthiaspaul could add a brief explanation to the doc. -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

{{rp}} and {{r}} were completely reworked and significantly extended back then. One of the many improvements were added explanatory tooltips (as not everyone seems to have understood the display notation used by the template). Another change was that the various page parameters are now also supported for the default display format, whereas, previously, they were only supported for the alternative AMA format. This helped to improve the usability of the template, as well as the compatibility and consistency with other citation templates.

Now, in order to improve the formatting of the displayed page information and to provide even more specific tooltips, the template needs to know if the given location information is for a single page, a multitude of pages or for other location information. This can be derived from which of the various named parameters for location information is used (|page=, |pages=, or |at=).

The old syntax using the unnamed parameter works as well (and, for backward compatibility, will continue to work into the long-term future), but if it is used, some formatting cannot be applied and the wording of the template's tooltip will have to remain somewhat more vague.

This is why the usage of the unnamed parameter is no longer recommended.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Matthiaspaul. I think I understand ... kind of. Some multivolume books have continuous pagination (such that if vol 1 ends on page 458, then vol 2 starts on page 459), but they're in a minority. For a multivolume work whose pagination starts afresh in each volume (as it normally does), one has to specify volume number as well as page number. What would you say is the best (or least bad) way to use the Rp template for both volume and page number? -- Hoary (talk) 03:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I think the volume info belongs into the base citation (i.e. |volume=2 if you use CS1), so you could use |page=438 with {{rp}}. If, in the same article, you would also cite from the same work's |volume=1, this would normally go into a separate base citation. This would also ensure that the metadata for the two base citation(s) is complete.

Alternatively, you could omit the volume info in the base citation (if you want to combine multi-volume works into one citation). I would then use |at= with {{rp}}, i.e. |at=V1:128 and |at=V2:438. However, there is no established superscript notation for volumes. Also, the metadata of the base citation would then lack the volume info. To avoid that, you could specify something like |volume=1–2 in a CS1/CS2 base citation.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Docquity

Docquity is a network for doctors and health care workers. It connects doctors and share the critical cases that they have. This application helps not only the doctors but also the patients. Docquity bridge the gap between doctors from different countries. My article on docquity keeps on rejecting. I uploaded twice and rejected. Please help me in publishing the article. Bachaspatimayum Vimi (talk) 17:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Bachaspatimayum Vimi, the reason your article is being declined is because it is written like an advertisement, and your references are done wrong. I suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners, and Your first article ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:32, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Docquity has been Declined three times, but not rejected. David notMD (talk) 19:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi my references are from authentic sources, but it is declined again!

FYI

– Reposting this since it was semi-accidentally removed. Added header, formatting tweak. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

my draft here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahmed_Al-Harrasi

References

"Research project hopes to produce COVID-19 medicine from frankincense". The Times of Oman. 16 January 2021.
"Prof. Dr. Ahmed Sulaiman Al-Harrasi". University of Nizwa. Retrieved 26 October 2021.
"Advisory board". global frankincense alliance. Retrieved 26 October 2021.

Ahmed Al Harrasi (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ahmed Al Harrasi: Hello and welcome to the teahouse, the reason those references are not good is because they are Primary sources. It is much better to use secondary sources. Please read WP:PSTS ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I think that the more significant issue at the moment is that there is content in the draft that isn't supported by a source of any type. Ahmed Al Harrasi, you should make sure that everything in the draft is accompanied by a reference (and if that's not possible, then the material doesn't belong in the draft). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Нow to make a page, is converting an existing Wikipedia article from Russian language to English ?

In russan Wikipedia has an article: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Уральский,_Марк_Леонович. I would like to put its English version (translation) into the English Wikipedia as,par exempal, Uralski Mark Leonovith. Please, help mir it to do.Mark Leonovith Uralski (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC) Mark Leonovith Uralski (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mark Leonovith Uralski - hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:Translation and Help:Your first article. Sourcing requirements are quite strict here on English Wikipedia when it comes to biographies of living people; our rules about writing autobiographies are also rather strict, see WP:AUTO. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Trying to expose a fraud

https://haykbedroskeulian.com/ this person is telling me that this page was created by the "Armenia Wikipedia district" - I am not sure what your policy is with regards to people using your logo, but would be great to see that this person isn't real, and he's posing as someone he's not.

Jsquaredmumma Jsquaredmumma (talk) 19:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The guy at the very least is bullshitting. There's no such thing as "districts" in Wikipedia, and the wording is so ambiguous it's impossible to tell what exactly he means by this: Does he mean the usual WP:ARBAA crowd (who we constantly get unjustified nationalistic complaints about from anti-Armenian partisans), or does he mean editors of the Armenian-language edition of Wikipedia? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Gentes

Can someone get rid of the mark for deletion for my Article: Andrew Gentes? I just added a reliable source and nothing has changed yet.

Judge Josie (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Judge Josie:

Done However, replaced with additional citations needed template, along with a reference list. Severestorm28 (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Judge Josie I have tagged an unsourced allegation of wrongdoing in the article, it must be properly referenced ASAP or else be removed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Judge Josie: I started a notability discussion on Talk:Andrew Gentes. Please read WP:COI if you have a conflict of interest with the subject. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

wrong photo

Hello,

The photo that is on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Davis_(American_football) page, is not him. It looks like that person in the photo has the same name but he is a football coach NOT Josh Davis the former Football player. 67.197.34.133 (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused as to what you mean IP. There is no image on the page you've linked. Perhaps you got the wrong article? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Could be yet another Google Knowledge Panel error. If one of our articles doesn't have an image, Google will throw one in there from somewhere else and then 'cite' Wikipedia for the whole thing. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Does that mean I have to contact google about it if they are adding that to wikipedia in their search?

Pretty much, there is a "feedback" link below the panel. By "Wikipedia" Google Knowledge Panel in this case means the text. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The pic is on WP however, but at Josh Davis (swimmer). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Google now uses a picture of Josh Davis, Northwestern College's football coach, for the Knowledge Graph result for "Josh Davis football player" searches. I gave feedback but it can take a while to fix. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding categories to country data templates -- but then the templates don't show up on category page

Hey,

I've recently gone on a little categorizing quest re: the templates for coat of arms of Swedish provinces ("lanskaper"). See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_%C3%85ngermanland and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_Uppland .

I've created a new category -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Country_data_templates_of_provinces_of_Sweden and added to the doc page for every province's data, as per the documentation. This is 25 pages in total. But the category page lists 0 pages in that category. Notice that on the template pages listed above "Country data templates of provinces of Sweden" appears in the list of categories.

Am I missing something else I should do? Is it just a matter of time before they're picked up? It has been about 2 days now. Razvan (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Razvan, welcome to the Teahouse. It's a matter of time. I made a null edit on Template:Country data Uppland to update the link tables for that specific page. That updates the category right away. It's confusing that the category can be displayed on the page before the page is listed in the category but that's how the software works if the category is added via a transcluded page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter, thanks for the prompt answer, then I can relax a bit :D I was trying null edits on the /doc pages, good to know that doing them on the main template page does the trick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Razvan Ionescu (talk • contribs)

Retrieving my delated draft

My finished draft got deleted because it was copyright from a website that I created. How can I retrieve my delated draft so I can submit it for wiki donation? Natedawggg84 (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Natedawggg84 (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Natedawggg84: Welcome to the Teahouse. If it's a copyright violation it is very unlikely you will be able to retrieve it, even if you contact the administrator who performed the deletion in the first place. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Natedawggg84: It appears that your editing is causing quite a bit of disruption. I'm also not sure why if the info you need is on a website you created, that you can't get it from there. Please see Wikipedia:Copyright violations. And WP:COI and WP:YFA. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Aside from the points above, Natedawggg84, let me quote: strategic negotiation skills, bold courage, and steadfast persistence: I don't know what "strategic" means here, and I can't imagine either a species of courage that lacked boldness or a species of persistence that lacked steadfastness. Rev. R.R. Wilkinson is known for being the most progressive and effective NAACP President and Civil Rights leader in Roanoke's history. Known among whom, and according to which reliable, independent, published source(s)? And if you want the website you created to be freely recyclable in Wikipedia, then change "© 2021 The Estate of Rev. Dr. Raymond. R. Wilkinson" to "© 2021 The Estate of Rev. Dr. Raymond. R. Wilkinson, and dual-licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and the GNU Free Documentation License"; however, (i) it shouldn't be you who recycles your material here; and (ii) it's very unusual for text not written for an encyclopedia to be suitable as is for this encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting redirect?

Heya folks, I was wondering how to delete a redirect for a page. I recently moved a page about the Bayou Pierre of Mississippi and wrote one for the Bayou Pierre of Louisiana. The source for the Mississippi article never states it should be redirecting, but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayou_Pierre still goes to the Mississippi one instead of going blank. This results in the issue of my article going as an orphan, while innocent readers may believe a river in Mississippi feeds the Red River. How preposterous! By the way, first time in the Teahouse. May have screwed up. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 03:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mebigrouxboy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you can read information about that at WP:R#CRD. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Teaching about our disorder

The guideline, which I understand, of not being able to write about you/something close to you is mildly frustrating. The reasoning is because we, as a system, want to write articles about our disorder. Does it count as a bias if people have the disorder they are writing about? Because we have DID or OSDD (unsure which) and we want to spread information about these disorders. /genq -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

TheHamiPotterGeek, whilst there is no policy forbidding this, it is strongly discouarged. However, if you wish to continue, you are allowed to create a draft and submit it for review by and independent reviewer, for more information see Help:Your first article. Please note that you must disclose your conflict of interest on your userpage, to do this, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:DISCLOSECOI. Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

A very experienced editor once said to me that you need three things to edit wikipedia successfully, sources, sources and sources. This was astonishingly good advice, and I commend it to you. I have edited the article regarding my own condition many times, bearing in mind the above advice. On medical topics we go beyond the good sourcing advice given in WP:RS (that's the policy document covering reliable sources for the project) and use WP:MEDRS (The document that governs MEDically Reliable Sources).

I would comment however that editing medical topics here is not for the faint hearted or inexperienced edotor. Good luck. -Roxy the dog. wooF 18:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Comment having read the response by User:Berrely I suggest that it will probably not be necessary for a COI declaration in this case, YMMV. -Roxy the dog. wooF 18:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Roxy that there is no need for you to declare a COI because you have a health condition you wish to write about. However, Dissociative identity disorder already exists as an article, rated B-class for quality. You could work to improve that article if you can find high quality referenes. See WP:MEDRS for reference standards.David notMD (talk) 18:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I agree that a person with DID is entitled to use "we" as a first person pronoun. David notMD (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I third that agreement of both David and Roxy. We have tens of thousands of editors with various health conditions, some permanent and others temporary. One should never be forced to disclose a health condition, even if it does adversely affect their editing habits, however, everyone is held to the same standard regardless so whether a disclosure is made or not, if an editor doesn't follow policy then they are subject to the same sanctions as any other editor so it's best to listen to the advice of experienced editors on reliable sourcing and, specifically, from Roxy on reliable Med sources in the case of articles that follow under that topic. --ARose Wolf 19:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: I agree that if you have DID then you can use "we" as a first person pronoun, however I would use it with caution here on Wikipedia due to "we" having the possibility of implying a shared acccount. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

For the already made article, Janis more so meant that we would write about things like DID/OSDD alter roles or switching or some of the lesser-known system information! -Gretchen TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 19:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That should be find as long as your information is supported by reliable sources. To start something would be very beneficial to the article would be to fix some of the sources. As I'm looking through the article I'm seeing a lot of sources the are disputed, have failed verification, or are primary sources where the statement would need a non-primary source. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

In hindsight, it is probably fine; I wouldn't have to disclose my COI with Wikipedia. Unless...? — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I would say, unless you stand to make a profit off such an article if it were written, like as a paid editor, or if you are employed by a company whose business is related to such a topic. Simply having a disorder does not preclude one from being able to edit freely about that subject. Baring in mind the advice from Roxy above about Med sources and the like. --ARose Wolf 19:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, in the contecxt of Wikipedia, don't use "we" at Teahouse or on Talk pages, as multiple people are not supposed to use one account. David notMD (talk) 19:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

With your permission, TheHamiPotterGeek, I would like to watchlist your talk page. I may not always be online but I want to follow you just to help when there may be misunderstandings. I won't offer advice unless asked or unless I see something that may hurt your experience here. I'm not interested in approving nor will I be here enough over the next few months to review your edits. 99.9% of the time you won't even know I am watching. I understand DID and have met and had friendships with others who had the same. If I run across a more experienced editor with the same or similar then I will try to connect you with them so you can hopefully learn how to navigate given your unique and specific situation but some great advice has already been given and you can always ask a question or seek help. --ARose Wolf 19:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheHamiPotterGeek and ARoseWolf: Did someone say a more experienced editor with the same or similar? Like TheHamiPotterGeek, I have either DID or OSDD. A friend asked if I'd seen this thread and I came here bracing myself to correct a bunch of bad takes or misinformation, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see that none of that has happened. (And I agree that no COI needs to be disclosed. User:Psiĥedelisto wrote most of the article on Osteogenesis imperfecta, which he has, and to my knowledge no one suggested he needs to disclose a COI.)

TheHamiPotterGeek, if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia with DID/OSDD, please don't hesitate to reach out, either on my talk page, by email, on IRC (nick Tamzin), or on Discord (join the community server and find me there). The one thing I'll quibble with here is David notMD's take on "we". While you definitely should be aware of how it might cause confusion to say "we", there's nothing in policy preventing you from doing so. Personally, the only reason I don't say "we" is that "Tamzin" is something of a "united front" we put on ("front" in the "team" sense, not the plural sense)—it's our legal name, and the name we go by in day-to-day interactions, but not a name that refers to any one system member. If you prefer to edit purely as a system rather than as a shared persona, I think that's your right. However, if you want to avoid confusion, you could do something like this: Create a page titled User:TheHamiPotterGeek/we. Write something like

We are a [[multiplicity (psychology)|plural system]] with [[Dissociative identity disorder|DID]] or [[OSDD]]. If you see us saying "we", we are referring to ourselves collectively, not to anything that would violate [[WP:SHAREDACCOUNT]].

Then you could link to that page the first time you say "we" in a comment: Well [[User:TheHamiPotterGeek/we|we]] feel that this article... But that's just a suggestion. You can do it however you want, as long as you're okay with having to explain yourself fairly often.

Hope this helps. Individually and collectively, -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yay! Tamzin, thank you so much for responding. I knew someone would and I am so glad you did. You are amazing and a wonderfully experienced editor. This is perfect. Such great advice. --ARose Wolf 21:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

That's.. actually really smart to create a page stating that they are referring to themself (themselves?) when they say "we". It'll most definitely help prevent any false claims that they are a shared account. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Ofc! -RV TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 04:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia also has article Other specified dissociative disorder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 20:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

[1] "New Delhi Times (newspaper)".

[2] "The Times of India".

[3] White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.

[4] White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.

[5] White, Trevor, et al. Little Book of Dublin. The Little Museum of Dublin. 2017. Print.

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