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how do i sign arcticles with a AfD

Im Gonna sign this arcticle as afd because it would be better if it was just a section in the nWo arctile. TzarN64 (talk) 18:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64: Hello TzarN64! Before you send that article off to AFD, there are some things you have to do first or else the AFD won't go all that well. Take a look at WP:BEFORE for what you should do before nominating an article for deletion. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Blue World Order has been an article for many years, edited by scores of people. First, propose on the talk page why you believe it better incorporated into NW0. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 20:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

How can I improve this article?

The article is Nawab Mir Khudrath Nawaz Jung Bahadur. I noticed this article in the Recent changes when someone added a lot of subjective prose. I reverted this and added some cleanup templates. But I don't think that this will realistically lead to improvement. How would an experienced editor with an interest in this area work on this article to make it significantly better? tw^sabin 18:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Twsabin: That article seems like it needs copyediting and more sources to verify information. You can do it yourself whenever you want, be WP:BOLD --The Tips of Apmh 18:53, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, @Twsabin: you have done the right thing with adding those templates, but if you want to take it a step further you can do things like replace citation needed templates with reliable sources. Also you can start expanding the article by adding to new sections and maybe even creating a new section. You can also fix any grammar problems you see. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:54, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I guess I will try to perform a basic face-lift on what's already in the article. tw^sabin 19:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh: An update: I made some changes to the article and the editor that I had reverted returned, added substantial unsourced content and removed the cleanup templates. Please advise me on what I should do now (if anything)? Thanks. tw^sabin 20:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted their changes and left a message on their talk page. Stop back here if problem continues, though I suspect several sets of eyes are on the article now.Slywriter (talk) 20:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted their edit and reported them to AIV. They are now blocked from editing that page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I've removed some Non-NPOV terms and made various grammatical corrections. There is more to be done and then the issue of not having more than one source. --ARoseWolf 21:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Changing names of categories

I wish to change a number of categories to different names because they were mistranslated. Specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gion_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hachiman_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inari_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Kumano_faith and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suwa_faith should all have the word "faith" replaced with cult, because they relate to cults of specific deities. Faith is the suggested term by google translate and deepl but it does not accurately describe them, and other European languages translate these titles as "cult" MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello MaitreyaVaruna. The best place to discuss this would be Categories for discussion; but I suggest you also put a note on WT:WikiProject Japan linking to the discussion at CFD. --ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Strange things at Kingdom_of_Bonny

I was just looking at recent changes, and noticed something weird going on at Kingdom_of_Bonny. An IP editor has added an enormous amount of information written in a very wordy and unencyclopaedic fashion. It's hugely complicated and probably too much detail, but the unusual feature is that they've actually referenced sources. But the referencing is written long-hand in the text, and they've quoted extensively from it, but not in a way that makes it clear what's a direct quotation and what isn't. I don't quite know whether this sort of edit is normally just reverted - but that seems unfair as they seem to be adding genuine information. But it can't stand as it is, and I can't understand it well enough to rewrite it - nor can I sort out the quotes as the sources are books that I do not have. I think the article could do with attention from someone more experienced than me! Or should it just be reverted? Elemimele (talk) 21:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Elemimele (talk) 21:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

No worries, someone's reverted the lot. Elemimele (talk) 22:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I did the "R" stage of WP:BRD Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Correcting a mistake in a cited source.

In an article on a prominent media personality, details about her parentage are included, and referenced by a frivolous reference in a weekend magazine. This reference has been used in more than one location, and has distorted more than one Wikipedia entry. There is no printed reference that I know of that contradicts this weekend magazine reference, but the personalities concerned, three of them, are all alive and well.

How can this be corrected? Bonobashi (talk) 21:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bonobashi. There's nothing anyone here can do to correct how something is being reported in a third-party source other than perhaps to contact the source directly and explain to them what's incorrect and why. Sometimes a source will "admit" its mistake and post a retraction or correction, but that might depend upon the type of source it is source and how much it has to lose. Usually, it's the subject or someone directly connected to the subject who needs to make the effort to get this information corrected since the subject is most directly affected by the mistake.

In a Wikipedia sense, you can discuss the source in question on the talk page of the article where it's being cited and explain what the problem is. If there are conflicting sources, then there might be a way to better clarify the information in question as explained in WP:CONFLICTINGSOURCES. If the source is considered to be non-reliable for Wikipedia's purposes, then the content can possibly be removed if a better more reliable source cannot be found to support it or revised accordingly to reflect what reliable sources have actually said on the matter. Even in cases where the source might be considered reliable, the content in question might be of questionable encyclopedic relevance to Wikipedia's readers and could also be removed. However, reaching such a conclusion often requires quite a bit of discussion and WP:CONSENSUS building (unless the content is so problematic that it needs to removed asap). There are a couple of noticeboards like Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard where you can seek input from others, but generally the best place to start is on the relevant article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

If understand the situation correctly, the article on Radhika Roy states, with a reference, that her father's name was Sooraj Lal Das, a Bengali engineer, whereas you hold true that her father's name was Suraj Lal Dass, not a Bengali engineer. Given that there is no claim that her father was himself notable, consider removing all mention of him. David notMD (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Translation suggestions

I get translation suggestions like these ones on English language Wikipedia pages, but I would like the same kind of suggestions to appear to help me translate pages into English on non-English Wikipedias. How can I make this appear? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 18:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC):

Hello, MaitreyaVaruna, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your question is that you will need to ask at each separate edition of Wikipedia you want to work in. Each Wikipedia is a separate project with its own policies and procedures, and sometimes differences in how they present the software. But the list you presented in the screenshot is not a list of translation suggestions (or, at least, not intended that way) but a list of links to existing articles in other Wikipedias on the same subject as the current article. They may or may not be translations (they could be anything from a direct translation to a completely independent article), but I don't see how they are "translation suggestions". See Translation for information about translating articles in general. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine you gave useful information, but for that article the Dutch French and Japanese articles are a different color because they do not exist, that article only exists in Chinese and English. Do you know where I could talk to people involved with software development on this? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine Following up with saying that I figured out what let me do it. Each Wikipedia only registers you as bilingual when you translate into the Wikipedia, and not when you translate from it. So by translating something into Japanese Wikipedia (as a draft article because I don't know Japanese enough to do a high quality translation into Japanese), I managed to get Japanese Wikipedia to suggest me to translate articles from it to English. I will try to let the software developers know that they should make it go both ways when someone translates an article MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, MaitreyaVaruna. I wasn't aware of the possibility of red links in the language list, and I'm wondering how they are specified: indeed, where is this documented? I would like to investigate it, but you do not say what article that screenshot is from? (I thought that you might have put it in the image dscription when you uploaded it, as most of Wikipedia's content is released under CC-BY-SA, and you may freely reuse it as long as you attribute the source. But you have uploaded that screenshot as "own work" and without attribution, which I'm pretty sure is a violation of copyright. I don't know how Wikipedia's interface is licensed, but I doubt that it is more permissive than the content).

I'm also unaware of the concept of Wikipedia registering users as bilingual, and again I cannot find anywhere that explains or even mentions this possibility - or is it only in some Wikipedias and not in en-wiki? --ColinFine (talk) 23:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Creation of possibly un-notable article

Creating a possibly removable article

I was searching through the list of wanted wikipedia articles that have not yet been created, when I discovered one missing on Heinrich II of Reuss-Lobenstein. It is linked as a non-existent article almost 50 times, yet little information exists on him. I am considering creating a stub article, but I was wondering if this would be allowed as it does not fit the criteria of 3 independent sources. Moostcho (talk) 00:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Moostcho: Welcome to the teahouse. I don't know if this is the right article, but it is possibly. Heinrich LXXII, Prince Reuss of Lobenstein and Ebersdorf If it is wrong, please ping me, and I will try to help you. Severestorm28 00:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Che Holloway

Why isn't the article for Che Holloway (actor) showing up on Google? Seems this article was approved. Chariotzz (talk) 16:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

New articles are NOINDEXed until they have either been reviewed through new page patrol or 90 days have expired. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Is there a way to tell whether an article has been reviewed? --Gronk Oz (talk) 17:17, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: The log for the article (accessible via the history) would show if it had been reviewed. Also, Special:NewPagesFeed can be filtered by username to show which articles created by Chariotzz are still unreviewed. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:17, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

User talk page

How to clear my own talk page? Old discussions? Mukesh.kfc (talk) 00:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mukesh.kfc, welcome to the Teahouse! If you want to clear your talk page, it is recommended that you archive the page, conversely, you can simply blank the page if you don't want to archive old discussions. Justiyaya 00:43, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse. The two options are: Delete everything in your talk page, or set up archive like this:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
| algo=old(90d)
| archive=User talk:Severestorm28/Archive %(counter)d
| counter=1
| maxarchivesize=75K
| archiveheader={{Automatic archive navigator}}
| minthreadsleft=4
| minthreadstoarchive=1
}}

Just copy-paste, then add to your talk page. Severestorm28 00:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

How to clear active discussion which now closed/completed? No use of them now.Mukesh.kfc (talk) 00:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Mukesh.kfc, I don't know what you mean by an "active" but also "closed/completed" discussion. If you consider a discussion to be active, I don't know why you'd want to clear it. If on the other hand it's closed/completed, Severestorm28 has described two methods above. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mukesh.kfc: The Archive solution above will automatically archive discussions that have been inactive for 90 days. It is a great "set and forget" option to keep your User Talk page from growing so big it's unwieldy, while not involving any more effort to maintain it. Or if you prefer, you can just delete stuff you don't want any more.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Orphan article tag

Please explain this? How to remove this tag? Mukesh.kfc (talk) 02:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

The word orphan in that tag is in blue, indicating that it is a wikilink, in this case to WP:Orphan. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Mukesh.kfc likely asking about Jasnath Temple. David notMD (talk) 03:19, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mukesh.kfc. Please read Wikipedia:Orphan. An orphan article is one that has no incoming wikilinks. One of the great things about Wikipedia is that readers can navigate from an article about one topic to another relevant topic by clicking on various links within the article. Ideally, every article should have one or more links to it from other related articles. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Means it is mandatory for any new article to have link from another wikipedia article. Right?

--Mukesh.kfc (talk) 03:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

No, not mandatory, but "... it is preferable that they can also be reachable by links from related pages". --David Biddulph (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Urgent Help with my account

How are you? I set up my account on wikipedia, but not sure on how to have my profile come up on google search. I am a film producer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Boys:_The_Return_of_the_King). I urgently need help with making my profile visible on google search. I cannpt sadly even set up my account to be linked to the movie I worked on. Not sure how to do this either. Can i also upload a photo? I just really need help building up my career. Joy Nnamdi-Yusuf (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for promotion. See WP:NOT. There is no urgent need for anything to show up in Google. If you are notable, someone may write an article about you someday. RudolfRed (talk) 23:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Joy Nnamdi-Yusuf Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that until someone meets out Notability Criteria that there is no place for an article about them on Wikipedia. You are free to write about yourself on IMdB or LinkedIn if you wish. Both are sources we would never use here, but you may find this more suitable for your needs. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Joy Nnamdi-Yusuf. In most cases, experienced Wikipedia editors studiously ignore "urgent" requests for new articles or improved Google search results here. Our job is to build a neutral encyclopedia and it is most definitely not to aid your yearnings for better Google search results. That is pretty much the opposite of how we operate here. In summary, we do not care even a tiny little bit about your Google search results. That is your business, not ours. Cullen328 (talk) 06:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Where is Special K!?

 2601:882:101:570:0:0:0:1D33 (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Right here: Special K. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Perhaps they were referring to Special:K, a page which does not exist. Maybe some pioneering soul will make it a reality someday. It'd be a pretty rad April Fools' joke. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Kyrgios and Kokkinakis are still in Melbourne I think. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 08:02, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Editing

How do I link to a non-disambiguation page? TGKingBooTheGreat (talk) 00:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@TGKingBooTheGreat: Welcome to the teahouse. Yes, you can link to a non-disambiguation page, it is just when you link to a specific article, for example, big is a disambiguation page. However, to link to a non-disambiguation page, the article needs to be specific, not just big, but it can be this specific article, Big (film). To replace with other text, type the non-disambiguation page, and place a '|' in the middle. Then type the words after the '|'. Severestorm28 00:43, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@TGKingBooTheGreat: I guess you noticed a "Tag: Disambiguation links added" tacked onto the edit history, like here? To fix it, I would click/tap through to Noggin, and notice that there's a Noggin (brand) listed. But to avoid it in the first place, I like to use the add-link button in the desktop WikiEditor or Visual Editor toolbars. These will do a search and list some likely matches in a drop-down. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 08:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Clearing the edit request backlog?

Is there a way to close answered edit requests on talk pages so they don't appear on the backlog? Is it acceptable practice to disable the {{edit semi-protected}} template by using {{t1}}? Rolmops23 (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rolmops23: You can use the "answered" parameter. For example, {{Edit semi-protected|Vukky}} becomes {{Edit semi-protected|Vukky|answered=yes}}. Vukky ^Talk_Guestbook 08:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Tried using {{ESp}} in a reply. It marks it answered automatically. Rolmops23 (talk) 08:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Bait and Switch

So why doesn't Wikipedia put a big header at the top of each Wikipedia article warning readers that they may be reading erroneous information from the sources people are citing, such as modern magazine articles, where the writer made numerous errors even though the magazine itself is considered reliable? I have seem such cases and the editor I questioned robotically replied that we must use the secondary source even if it is incorrect rather than the primary source which is an official document? They say reporting truth even if the secondary source is wrong is the antithesis of Wikipedia since Wikipedia values verifiability over truth. They don't have to use it if it seems to have wrong information but they do anyway, apparently because they want to, which kind of seems like administrator approved trolling.

Wikipedia claims to be an encyclopedia, yet it admits it is not a reliable source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source . When people think of normal encyclopedias like Britannica or World Book, they assume it is an authoritative source that has been vetted for errors, not something with an 80/20 or 50/50 chance of being right. I have been in situations where I quoted the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language to someone to support an argument and they quoted Wikipedia having a different answer and thought it was better. Again, why isn't there a big warning on the Wikipedia article pages? I was an editor on Wikipedia for a year and a half before I figure out how much misinformation an article written by experienced editors and vetted by an experienced administrator because someone complained to an administrator and they sent a gang of "experienced editors" over to demonstrate the proper way to present misinformation as an encyclopedia. It seems very intellectually dishonest to keep that page I linked above burrowed away and something of a bait and switch to most people.Daltonsatom (talk) 03:43, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

We don't do that because we include a link to our disclaimers, including WP:General disclaimer, in the footer of each page. And we go for verifiability over truth because "truth" is subject to our own cognitive and cultural biases. Rather than just blindly lambaste me for that sentence, I suggest you read every single blue link in it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:09, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

5 point font at the very bottom. Just saw this for the first time using Wikipedia for 20 years. Thanks. It's kind of like those waiver's you accept when you accept the required EULA for your smart phone. 20% to 50% chance the information you get from an administrator vetted article may be incorrect.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Daltonsatom (talk • contribs) 05:24, January 26, 2022 (UTC)

Rather than grouse endlessly and take potshots at editors who are doing their damnedest to improve the article, why not actually try talking to them instead? Ranting and raging as you're doing here has a 0% chance of being effective. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:33, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, we're talking about things that affect real people reading it and associated with the article. Considering what I should do. You've helped me decide. Not pot shots, but a life changing decision. Thanks again. No more questions. Pencils down.Daltonsatom (talk) 05:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Daltonsatom: Being "the encyclopaedia that anybody can edit" has proven to be something of a mixed blessing - Wikipedia has grown to be an incredible resource, but people do make bad edits, either maliciously or with good intentions. I have a couple of points to offer: firstly, Admins don't review articles. Secondly, if you find that an article has used an erroneous source, the best thing to do is to either provide a better one, or to put your case on the article's Talk page. Discuss the relative merits of the two sources with other editors until there is agreement. You don't provide any details, so we can't comment on the particular situation you came across. Finally, people from an academic background often struggle with Wikipedia's preference for secondary sources - I know I did. But a primary source is not "the official source" and in time it often proves unreliable, or at least biased. A good secondary source adds that author's analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. Any analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim must have been published by a reliable secondary source. There is a good article explaining the rationale in medical contexts at Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)#Respect_secondary_sources; even though this talks about a biomedical context, the logic still holds.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Gronk Oz, the context is at Talk:Intellivision Amico. Daltonsatom's in the middle of a content dispute there. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:01, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I can't really call it a dispute and it makes question everything.Daltonsatom (talk) 06:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

You're contesting what content should be on the page and how it should be presented, ergo it is a content dispute. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

You really want to do this here? I get my head bit off and threatened with COI and POV by the administrator when I try to talk to the editor and I thought my questions were going pretty easy on him, thought I was doing what was right. No one here probably thinks I am and that is a problem. It is not a dispute in that it is being cowed into something I don't believe in based on silly premises like having the ambition to get a high quality image and thought to be COI for it or being a minor editor so not spreading myself around a lot. You HAVE to spread yourself around or admins will think your a COI I guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daltonsatom (talk • contribs) 06:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I was trying to be discreet, but I guess I'm famous - against my better judgment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daltonsatom (talk • contribs) 07:04, January 26, 2022 (UTC)

You can't be "threatened" with WP:COI (that is a description of an editor's status and is not in itself blockable) or WP:POV (that's a criticism of article content). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what your point is. I don't want to guess.Daltonsatom (talk) 07:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Daltonsatom, now you know our dirty secret. ;) I suspect if I was exposed to the behind-the-scenes machinations and argy-bargy of a traditional newsroom or publishing house, then I would be similarly shocked and disillusioned. When I pick up a tabloid newspaper, I don't need a warning banner (the screaming headlines do that well enough): I already know there are going to be some proportion of poor-quality articles in there. Blatantly poor writing and research aren't that hard for a reader to spot, but I suspect the only ways to detect subtle bias is to (a) be a part of the production process, (b) be attuned to the dog whistles, or (c) read a variety of sources and compare coverage. That applies to Wikipedia articles just as much as other media. lectorem cave ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 09:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Steven Salowsky

Salutations all! I am very new here and working on my first several articles.. how can I inquire and go about getting help to achieve publish success? Here's what I have thus far...

Hidden: Thecarguru2 pasted entire draft here. Draft since edited and is at Draft:Steven Salowsky. David notMD (talk) 10:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended content

Steven Salowsky is an American YouTuber and environmental activist that co-hosts on the Rich Rebuild YouTube Channel . Biography[edit] Steven Salowsky is an American YouTuber that co-hosts the vlog known as Rich Rebuilds YouTube Channel <ref> https://www.youtube.com/richrebuilds </ref>) [1] He is a former Tesla employee that went on to building and designing electric vehicles along side his friend and colleague, Rich Benoit. Their first build together is the first electric Motorcycle to Rat rod conversion with a 1930's Ford Model A that was covered in Motor Trend <ref> https://www.motortrend.com/news/budget-built-prewar-hot-rod-powered-by-an-electric-motor-and-control-system/ </ref> [2]. After their first conversion success and getting over 2 million views, Steven and Rich designed and built a version of the Tesla Cyberquad, and Steven drove it over 100 MPH in a tank top and flip-flops. <ref>https://www.inverse.com/innovation/tesla-cyberquad-impressive-diy-project </ref> [3] Popular Mechanics took notice of their ambitions and complimented the feat. <ref> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a33805875/homemade-tesla-cyberquad-atv/ </ref> [4] Pushing the boundaries with a Tesla Model S that was in a flood, Steven and Rich designed and built the World's first V8 engine powered Tesla, which was ironically featured in a Car and Driver issue devoted to Electric vehicle's. <ref> https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877615/v-8-camaro-ss-engine-in-tesla-model-s/ </ref> [5] Steven is a prolific environmentalist whom advocates for renewable energy and sustainable technologies, and he holds office in his local town as a Board of Director member for the Sustainability department <ref> https://sustainablewestford.org/about-us/ </ref> [6] He is known for designing and building a version of the Tesla Cyberquad, and piloting it over 100 MPH in a tank top and flip-flops. <ref>https://www.inverse.com/innovation/tesla-cyberquad-impressive-diy-project </ref> [3] Steven and Rich Benoit also built the World's first V8 engine powered Tesla. <ref> https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877615/v-8-camaro-ss-engine-in-tesla-model-s/ </ref> [4] As of January 2022, his YouTube channel has 1.29 Million subscribers. References[edit][edit] https://www.youtube.com/richrebuilds [1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/budget-built-prewar-hot-rod-powered-by-an-electric-motor-and-control-system/ [2] https://www.inverse.com/innovation/tesla-cyberquad-impressive-diy-project [3] https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a33805875/homemade-tesla-cyberquad-atv/ [4] https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877615/v-8-camaro-ss-engine-in-tesla-model-s/ [5] https://sustainablewestford.org/about-us/ [6]

Thecarguru2 (talk) 05:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thecarguru2. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions and get answers about how to edit Wikipedia. It is not a place to ask for feedback on a bunch of poorly formatted UTLs. I happen to be interested in custom cars and motorcycles, but there is almost nothing here that motivates me to want to look deeper. You need to write more clearly and learn how to format your references properly. Cullen328 (talk) 06:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Your draft links to Rich Benoit, Salowsky's vlog partner. Look at that to see what properly formate and inserted refs look like (although I question the validity of some of thos refs). David notMD (talk) 10:24, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

doi number problem

I just created my first original content (other than plot summaries), a new section to Born to Kill (1947 film): "Multifaceted Femme Fatale." I thought I did the reference correctly, but the doi# showed up in the reference (# 15), unlike all the others. I entered the number into the template because it made me. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 07:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Journal ref template asks for a doi, but optional as long as something in the ref links. I replaced the not-working URL, which now goes to the same hyperlink as the doi. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Pete Best Beatles This is about the section and ref you added to Born to Kill (1947 film). You also, in a wrong approach, created Draft:Born to Kill (1947 film). Tag your draft for deletion. To do so, at the top, type Db-g7 inside double curly brackets {{ }}. This will signal an Administrator to delete it. David notMD (talk) 10:39, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Greek Anthology

I'm thinking of moving most of the information in the "Translations and imitations" section of this article to a new article called List of translations and imitations from the Greek Anthology, as the section is becoming unwieldy. I would add a

Main article: ...

tag in the original article linking to the new page.

I'm fairly new here, so I thought I'd ask if someone more experienced thinks I would be justified to go ahead and do this. Ficaia (talk) 02:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

The place to ask, Ficaia, is Talk:Greek Anthology. (If there's no response after a week or so, then try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

After that, if they don't reply at WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, (which maybe won't be possible) maybe try asking again here. Severestorm28 04:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: I'll build on the ideas above by suggesting that if there's no response at Talk:Greek Anthology after a week or so, then post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome and ask them to reply to your post at Talk:Greek Anthology. After that, you could try asking here for people to reply to your post at Talk:Greek Anthology. The central conversation about the article should stay at the article's talk page. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Ficaia, I think that my response above was too brief. What you're proposing seems reasonable enough. However, I (and perhaps most of the people reading this "Tearoom" page) aren't knowledgable about the subject. People reading the article's talk page are more likely to be knowledgable. They're more likely to have a good idea of how greatly "List of translations and imitations from the Greek Anthology" or other sections of the article may/should or is likely to be expanded. The likely future of the article is important. As I view the article in its current state, I see no pressing reason for turning sections of it into autonomous articles, but imaginably there are other editors who'd dearly love to expand the content of the list if only the list weren't a mere section within an article whose growth has to be checked rather severely. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll wait for a response on the talk page as you suggest. Ficaia (talk) 11:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

RE: Writing an Historical Book about my fathers World War 2 1940 to 1944 including some documents sourced via Wikipeadia

I have over the last 25 years been putting together my fathers experiences during World War 2 - 1940 to 1944 using his memorabilia. The book includes documents that have been sourced from Wikipeadia, such as RAF Padgate, RAF West Kirby, SS Franconia, HMS Manchester, Battle of Cape Spartivento, HMS Furious, RAF Takoradi, RAF 73 Squadron, RAF 39 Squadron, Tobruk 1941 to 1942, Battles of El Alamein, Foggia Airfield Complex, Operation Avalanche - Invasion of Italy. I am trying to establish if the above listed documents found on Wikipeadia, whilst having copyright applied can be authorised for use in my book? The Book will make reference to the above documents as recognition of the sources used.

How do I get the authors consent? 82.46.183.131 (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand "documents that have been sourced from [Wikipedia]"; but does Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content answer your question? -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia’s discord

So I joined the Wikipedia discord but I got kicked off for some reason. I read all the rules/instructions for the server and I didn’t break any of them all I said was hello. Now I can’t rejoin and it says that link is dead. Was it cause I had the thin blue line flags as my profile picture? Cause it’s been like that for a while I guess I can get rid of it if that’s why. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Hi there! Wikipedia:Discord has a "Join Server" button. The sentence above it states "The link is periodically changed and may at times be disabled". For more assistance, I suggest posting at Wikipedia talk:Discord. You could also try Wikipedia:IRC as an alternative - see Wikipedia:IRC help disclaimer. GoingBatty (talk) 14:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 You have my sympathies. I can't comment on what happens off-wiki, but if it's of any consolation to you, I found my indefinitely blocked from IRC chat when I was an administrator, purely because I had logged on anonymously in order to visit for the very first time and to lurk a bit in order to find out how things operated there. Apparently lurking gets you banned, so how new users get to understand how a channel operates I have no idea. I gather some of the people who help run these chats are rather hypersensitive to issues around abuse from troublesome anonymous visitors. If you can identify who blocked you there, approach them on-wiki and explain your concerns. That's how I approached it, and was unblocked shortly afterwards. I have not been back since, and have little intention of working off wiki on these platforms, where accountability and control over what happens seems very much one-sided. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: How did you figure out who kicked you? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

He asked at the talk pages on-wiki for IRC, and was told by one of the chanops why he was kicked as a result. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 It was almost 2 years ago now, but if my memory serves me correctly, I think they were logged on to IRC chat with their normal username (as I would expect anyone in charge of such a platform to be doing). So it was simply a case of It was the fact that I had logged on anonymously that aroused their suspicions, despite me simply saying I wanted to lurk to see how things work (a pretty normal way I'd recommend anyone to understand the etiquette of a brand new platform). I've just visited WP:Discord for the first time, where it says it is wholly independent of Wikipedia/WMF. However, I see there are moderators listed at the bottom of that page, so I'd suggest contacting one of the active ones on their talk page and explaining your situation, and how you might have fallen foul of some unknown rule or policy, and seek to be unblocked. (I'm assuming you simply got kicked off because the system couldn't automatically authenticate you. In my case it was direct engagement with one of the editors who ran the place that resulted in my block - presumably because they didn't like how I answered their challenge as to what I was doing there I felt no need to tell them I was an admin, so I suspect many new users must have had similar unfortunate experiences. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes oh okay. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Repeated verbiage in multiple articles

Regarding these articles about the Bahamas: Progressive Liberal Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Liberal_Party, Free National Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_National_Movement, and Philip Davis (Bahamian politician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Davis_(Bahamian_politician)#Prime_Minister. All three of these have a paragraph that begins, "In September 2021, Progressive Liberal Party won..." or something very similar. In fact, the entire paragraph is almost identical in all three. (There may be more articles with the same paragraph, but those are the ones I've spotted so far.) This feels to me like it's less than best practice, but I can't think of an actual reason for feeling that way. Is there a policy or recommendation about this? Dgndenver (talk) 10:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC) Dgndenver (talk) 10:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dgndenver I occasionally use the same sentence in multiple articles that relate to the same topic. Providing they're correct and relevant, a simple statement can be used again and again without fear. The only proviso is if you've copied text that another editor wrote without crediting the source page from which you got it. But using a single, short sentence as a statement in multiple places doesn't concern me. As always - it depends on context. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Union Bank (Bangladesh)

I want to create the mentioned article. Can anyone check if the sources are good? Dawnpenguin (talk) 10:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

 188.70.60.160 (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Asking us to sort through sources on Google is like giving us a magnet and a barn-sized haystack and telling us to find a bone needle. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 10:33, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Which is another way of saying that it would be better for you, Dawnpenguin, with presumably some knowledge of banking, to put the three or four best sources you choose that demonstrate the notability of this particular bank here into this Help Desk thread and then experienced editors will be able to assess them before you start an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

|To phrase it a little more diplomatically, Dawnpenguin: at least half the work in writing a Wikipedia article is in finding and evaluating the sources, so what you are saying is "I want to write an article. Can anyone do most of the work for me?" I suggest you choose the three most promising sources, and list them here, and people might be willing to have a look at them. Promising sources will be published in reliable places, will be wholly independent of the bank (and that includes not being based on press releases, or from associates of the bank), and will contain significant coverage of the bank, not just mentions or reports of routine activities. --ColinFine (talk) 15:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Article

Hi Celestina007, Hope you’re doing good. I want to ask you that if a news website or organisation has got few awards, getting selected in google news initiative and have much many information present like about the founder and news coverage. Should that article be written on Wikipedia? Arunpawargere (talk) 13:28, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Arunpawargere, presumably this is about two current discussions at AfD. The best way to have an AfD end with an article being kept is to find independent, secondary reliable sources. Press releases, paid press, and annoucements about awards do not contribute to WP:Notability and are unlikely to convince other editors that the articles should be kept. I would suggest you ask for the articles to be sent to draft so you can work on improving them without the pressure of a deletion discussion and submit them through WP:AFC when they are suitably sourced.Slywriter (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, if you have a question for a specific editor, consider using their talkpage, in this case User talk:Celestina007. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Per Slywriter and PQR01, this appears to be about the AfDs at People News Chronicle and Youthistaan, which are connected companies. At both, at least several of the references contain identical language to the articles in question, and thus are clearly derived from press releases. David notMD (talk) 16:02, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, given that your editing of the first dates back only a few days, and you created the second on 26 January, I am asking whether your connection to the topics are either paid or conflict of interest. David notMD (talk) 16:05, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Lastly, to both articles, there have been edits from several IP addresses that start with 2409:4053. If this is you, stop editing not logged in. Such behaviour is against Wikipedia policy. David notMD (talk) 16:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Trying to figure what to do with article

Hello! So I recently came across the very new article Lucknow Super Giants that has been edited a lot by new users an IPs. I started a discussion on the talk page to try and figure out what edits are constructive and what edits aren't constructive, however the user that I addressed on the talk page hasn't really helped with that and has insisted the page be protected (which I requested it to be protected just so I would have something to tell them as to why it can't be protected), so I would like some help from other editors in figuring out what edits are and aren't constructive. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Blaze Wolf, head over to the WP:WikiProject_Cricket, the regulars there will likely be helpful in getting the article into shape.Slywriter (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: It looks like you have taken the right steps and you should also talk at WikiProject cricket like Slywriter said. I think some of the unconstructive edits on there is when one of the editors makes a new section and puts nothing in it and completely blanks a section without saying why. It also looks like some edits are just vandalism. Also EvergreenFir has protected the page so it looks like the page should’ve been protected rather than not. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Huh. I was refraining from requesting the page to be protected mainly because I couldn't figure out what edits were constructive and what edits weren't. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, some of the unconstructive edits look like this edit and other edits by Ggbvv as well as all the edits made by Cusptrek including this one. Also edits made by the sockpuppet MrDoggo24 are unconstructive edits. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Fixing Sources

Hi! We're currently working on Encanto Character List and we aren't sure how to cite the sources of the movie and soundtrack? Any help will be appreciated! (: -Isabela Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) (pronouns) 23:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@RemusSandersRegretsEverything: Welcome to the teahouse. Yes, I have watched Encanto (film), it is amazing. Anyway, you can type in

{{cite web|url=|title=|work=|date=|access-date=}}

Just fill in the blanks right next to the "equal signs". Happy editing! Severestorm28 00:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Severestorm28 Thank you!! I really like it too- although I'm pretty biased (: -Isabela Skeleton RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) (pronouns) 17:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

What are the best practices to write an article

What are the best practices to write an article Adeelkhanwwc (talk) 21:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Adeelkhanwwc: Check out WP:YFA for some tips on how to get started. RudolfRed (talk) 21:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

New editors who attempt as their very first efforts a new article, as you have at Draft:Huma Batool, often fail because they have no idea of th requirements to establish notability. Your resubmitted draft will be Declined again because most of the content is not referenced. All references must be embedded in the text rather than put under References (the software automatically shows the refs under References). David notMD (talk) 21:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Adeelkhanwwc, your draft includes the extraordinary claim that Ms. Batool has earned the unprecedented honour for Pakistan of being the first ever woman owner of an airline not only in Pakistan but in 100 years of world aviation history but you have not added any references to reliable independent published sources that verify that claim. There is no way that such a poorly referenced draft will be accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 06:35, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Adeelkhanwwc: If the statement was backed up with reliable independent published sources, we would write it in an encyclopedic way, such as "Batool was the first woman owner of an airline." GoingBatty (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thomas Willett page, major edit

I have nearly completed a major edit for the existing page on Thomas Willett in my "sandbox": User:Rdschillawski/sandbox, and would like some input on where to go from here. I am reluctant to just overwrite the existing page without some feedback (I assume that's appropriate). Look forward to hearing from someone with more Wikipedia experience than I have at this point.

Thanks, Rdschillawski (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC) Rdschillawski (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rdschillawski: Welcome to the Teahouse! Next time, I suggest you be bold and make your improvements directly in the article. But now, you could update your post on Talk:Thomas Willett with a link to User:Rdschillawski/sandbox. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:37, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Rdschillawski! At a glance, this seems like a genuine improvement in quite a few respects. I think a few things need to be ironed out, namely uncited excerpts, what appears to be WP:SYNTH in quite a few places (e.g., "almost certainly in England"), and MOS:SELFREF (e.g., "as will become evident"), but I think this is definitely on track to being a great expansion of the article. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 18:48, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: The update so far looks pretty good to me. I did see one little thing though all the references are before the period instead of after, but that is just me being picky. Also in the section Ancestry and Transport instead of just copying and pasting from the dictionary of national biography try paraphrasing it and summarizing it just to make sure that there are no copyvios. Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Stand alone lists

How short can a list be and still qualify for a stand alone article? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:42, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, some list can be big and go into a lot of detail (a description list) like List of The Mandalorian characters while others can be short (ordered and unordered list) like List of Magic Kingdom attractions. In other words there is nothing really saying how big or short a list must be. For more information about List I would suggest reading WP:Stand-alone lists as well as the list criteria. Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant I agree with @Kaleeb18. If it seems that a small number of items would be better placed within a main article (facetiously: List of cardinal points on a compass) then a list article really is not needed. Where a List article would be a useful starting point to jumping off from, then it can be justified. As always, context is probably important to be able to give a helpful answer. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Help for submission

Help for submission Hello, I started working on my first submission a while and kept improving it while learning (doing my best to). I did my best to apply the suggestions I got, which sometimes were difficult for me to understand. Can anyone help me understand where am I at now? I think you can track my submission about the musician Luca Formentini. Many thanks for your help. Silvia Dalle Montagne (talk) 20:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Silvia Dalle Montagne: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at Draft:Luca Formentini, you have no lead section to explain how he meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for musicians. Sentences such as "With roots in improvisation, he takes an intuitive, effects-laden unguitar approach to his instrument" is not written in an encyclopedic tone. Several sections have no references. Albums should be italicized, while songs/compositions should be in "quotation marks". You should not have external links in the body of the draft. (Links in the "References" and "External links" sections are fine.) The correct article layout has "External links" below "References". Still needs lots of work. When you've addresses all the issues, you can click the "Resubmit" button on your draft to have it reviewed again. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Did I make a mistake here? (Speedy deletion, user page)

The page: User:Josijojow

I was watching recent changes and saw this page be created. I somehow didn't see that it's a user page, and thought that user Josijojow created an article titled "Josijojow" that is exclusively promotional and I applied the template. After realizing what I did, I reverted myself, but now I am not sure if such a page should actually still be deleted, and if this method of deletion still applies to user pages? Should I not have reverted myself perhaps? It looks like the new user wanted to create a promotional page for themselves, regardless of whether it's an article or a user page. Thanks for advice. tw^sabin 18:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Twsabin: Hello Twsabin! There's also speedy deletion criteria U5 (for WP:NOTWEBHOST violations) and G11 (promotional userpage under a promotional username). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Twsabin Guessing it's an attempt to create an article, it seems to fit WP:G11. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:02, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Twsabin: Went ahead and added tags for U5 and G11, and it's since been deleted by Nick Moyes. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 19:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks y'all. This was an illuminating experience to me. tw^sabin 23:01, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns Discussions

In an article where someone’s pronouns are up to debate, can we include that clarification in the article so readers will not be confused or offended? Flamingoflyer (talk) 23:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Flamingoflyer Welcome to the Teahouse. No. or, at least, my understanding is that you can only include discussion of any debate of a deceased person's personal pronoun preferences if they have been debated and discussed in Reliable Sources, or you can cite their own work where they have stated that. You already know there has been a discussion at Talk:Claude Cahun on this issue, but your idea you added of putting a nice flag on the article doesn't seem appropriate at all. It's a case of following what the sources have said, not trying to meet current user's needs, wishes or sensitivities. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Deleting pages under my user page

I recently played “The Wikipedia Adventure,” and it has created four pages:

• User:Leejordan9/TWA/Earth
• User:Leejordan9/TWA/Earth/2
• User talk:Leejordan9/TWA
• User talk:Leejordan9/TWA/Earth

I would like to delete these, but I cannot find a way to do so—I tried to propose them for deletion, but it said that it only works for articles. How can these be deleted?

Thank you! Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 00:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Try {{db-g7}} or {{db-u1}}. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:08, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Leejordan9 Welcome to the Teahouse. I have deleted all the pages for you that you've listed above. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That's really helpful! Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 00:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Articles From Africa Subject to More rigorous and unnecessarily harsh standards

I am a new Wikipedia member and my experience trying to make edits on Wikipedia has been very disappointing. My edits are being flagged for frivolous infractions. I have read articles published in America for example, they don't have any references nor do they cite any source yet they are allowed to stay on live space for years despite that. My question is, do they have a lower standard for articles published in the West and high standards for Africa? .Could that be the reason why there are so few Wikipedia editors in Africa? Kiambu1 (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kiambu1: Welcome to the Teahouse! I'm sorry that you're having a rough time starting out. The standards apply to all articles, but due to being run by volunteers and standards changing over the years, you'll find articles of various quality throughout Wikipedia - see also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There are many reasons why there are more Wikipedia editors in some locations than others, but different standards isn't one of them. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I hope you're discussing your suggestions for improvement on the article talk pages to drive consensus. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kiambu1: As this is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about. If you would like to help us out, you are welcome to detect and identify unsourced or otherwise inappropriate articles for possible action. 331dot (talk) 22:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kiambu1 Welcome to the Teahouse. It is true that there are many articles that have been here for many years that are still poorly-cited, but also that over the last decade, or thereabouts, there has been increasing emphasis on new articles needing to be properly cited, and older ones being challenged on notability grounds. With 6.4+million articles here, there are unfortunately a lot of them still to unearth.

That said, I do often feel that in Europe and N. America there is often better access to more potential sources, and perhaps less of an understanding [by editors there] of what constitutes reliable and unreliable sources in other countries. If I'm honest, I suspect there may be some degree of unconscious bias against poorly sourced articles outside of the English-=speaking world, and perhaps greater specificity in our notability criteria, such as WP:NPOLITICIAN or WP:NSPORTS which give more clarity to those originating topics in America or Europe. But we have other under-represented groups amongst our editor base - especially women, and that gender bias is also reflected in the paucity of articles about women, too. So I think there is more to it than you suggest, and all I can do is offer our support to help and guide you as you learn - especially about our Notability Criteria. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kiambu1: I can sympathize with you as I remember most of my edits getting flagged when I first started. One thing I did that helped me is unsterstanding Wikipedia’s policies. I highly suggest that you read the general notability guideline. Also I agree with the other editors in that there are so many articles on here it can be hard for us to get rid of the ones that are not notable. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 22:31, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh. What a shame. This editor has just been investigated and indefinitely blocked for abusing multiple accounts to create specific articles, thus not helping their cause one little bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Karma. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kiambu1 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

wow. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Continuing on the subject of my submission of article on the Musee francais by Pierre Laurent (title modified from Le Musee royal).

How do I reply to comments/criticism of previous versions of this article? Here is what I would like to say ... 1.) “Puffery”, in this instance/subject, is a historical fact. Assuming that the observation is not intended to disallow the sources already cited for these opinions, I have tried to bring forward their documentation, perhaps, clarifying its basis without confusing the narrative (?) For example, the comment of the publication’s “perfection” is in fact quoted from the reports of 2 governmental juries (this is now referenced). My use of the term “brilliance” is a conventional characterization of the information conveyed by a traditional successful engraving (etchings, which employ irregular lines, are not usually described this way). The tone of superlative accomplishment is an important feature of this subject – e.g. why else would Napoleon recognize the publication with an act of state (see note 2)? -- this event alone would seem to establish the subject’s historical interest. Btw, I suppose all of my references to journalism of the period can be verified in Retronews. 2.) The comment that the article lacks authoritative references has been addressed by adding references ... I hope, without confusing the reader. Please advise if there need to be further private exchanges on this subject. While there’s obviously not sufficient interest to publish a complete bibliography in Wikipedia, I’ve added a reference to the very thorough one compiled by Peter Fuhring. In any case, the references previously provided carry historical authority. The journal Les Nouvelles de l’estampe (note 2) is an official outlet for scholarship of the National Library of France – and the principal French outlet for scholarship in the field of print history; the cited article deals with the publication and its official reception in detail. The journal Gazette des Beaux-Arts was, in its day, the leading international journal for art historical scholarship of French art. There’s also Weissert’s book, which is quite scholarly, and the extensive discussion of the subject in Sgarbi’s publication. Why have reviewers disregarded the standing of these sources, in their preoccupation with the inclusion of an exceptional masters thesis? 2 of the additional references are in English and subsequent to Fuhring’s bibliography. 3.) And why is McKee's masters thesis so different from others? To begin with, it is the only cited reference for further information in the library cataloguing of the Musée français at the Royal Academy in London, as noted in the article, and also in the catalogue of the National Library of France: <https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb40282999b>; likewise, it is noted at the head of all other references in the art historical resource begun by Fritz Lugt in the 1920’s and continued today by the Fondation Custodia, Les Marques de collections de dessins et d’estampes <http://www.marquesdecollections.fr/detail.cfm/marque/12536>. If good enough for these institutions, why would Wikipedia have problems with it? Evidently, the thesis is regarded as important for understanding and consulting the publication. The thesis’ circulation in recent scholarship is more difficult to trace – two important recent examples in English: Sarah Betzer, “Ingres Shadows,” Art Bulletin, 95 (2013): 78-101 (“instrumental to my discussion”); and Susanne Anderson-Riedel, “A French Raphael ...” Art in print, 6 (May-June 2016), pp. 17-30. Also, it is referenced, of course, in McKee’s additional publications on the subject in the Revue de l’art (no. 98) (the officially sponsored successor to the Gazette de Beaux-Arts for authoritative discussion of French Art History) and the Revue du Louvre (déc. 1995) (the official scholarly outlet of the National Museums of France). George-Amherst (talk) 17:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@George-Amherst: If you have suggestions to improve an article, you can start a discussion on that article's talk page. Try not to post a wall of text, or it will likely not get read. Start with one small suggestion and then build on it when you get consensus for your change. RudolfRed (talk) 17:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

RudolfRed, this was a reply to the review of Draft:Le Musée royal. George-Amherst, there's no point in replying to the review here at the Teahouse. Reply on the talk page of the draft, and WP:ping the editor who declined the draft (Theroadislong). But RudolfRed's remark about a wall of text applies - at least break it into paragraphs. Try to remember that your purpose is not to win an argument, but to achieve consensus with other editors. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I find it hard to understand what Draft:Le Musée royal is about. A periodical? Three editions of a book? "large format" – how large? "504 .. engravings" – the same 504 in each issue/edition/release? Or 504 different ones? Or 504 in total? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maproom (talk • contribs) 2022-01-26T18:18:00 (UTC)

From refs #1 and #2, appears to be multiple volumes of a series that went through two name changes over 1803-1818. David notMD (talk) 00:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Why can page movers edit editnotices?

It seems like the least related permission there is in the group. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Nobody has answered this so far and perhaps this is because it seems more a technical question to ask at WT:EDITNOTICE, WT:PAGEMOVER, WT:UAL or even WT:PP). Perhaps there's a good reason why or perhaps nobody has given it much thought other than you yourself. My guess is that edit notices tend to be added when there's a fairly good reason for doing so; so, it was probably considered wise to limit who's able to edit them since they are essentially templates in which even a small change could affect quite a large number of pages. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

what is tea house ???

 117.194.28.118 (talk) 05:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC) I think it's a forum where users can ask and answer questions mostly about Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enolajy (talk • contribs) 06:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

It is a place where users can ask more experienced editors questions about Wikipedia. Philosophy2 (talk) 07:13, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

It is very similar to the Help Desk, except that the Teahouse is intended to be an especially friendly place where new editors can ask very basic questions without feeling judged. Gronk Oz (talk) 01:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

How to create a Public, Professional profile in Wikipedia

 68.186.52.179 (talk) 05:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Please read Wikipedia:NOTSOCIALNETWORK. Wikipedia does not have profiles. Not a single one. Instead, it consists of neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia articles. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for an explanation of why you effort is almost certainly a bad idea. Your first article offers some good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Help please

Can anyone help me here: Draft:Sanjib Baruah Arunudoy ^(talk) 04:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Arunudoy, we cannot help you jump the queue of submitted drafts. Please be patient and it will be reviewed in due time. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

• {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk, can you have a look at the Draft for eligibility for the WP:NAUTHOR? Regards -Arunudoy ^(talk) 06:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Arunudoy. The draft was declined yesterday (before you posted here) by Scope creep, who left a comment explaining the decline. You are of course entitled to ask any editors for their opinion on notability, but to do so without mentioning that a reviewer has already told you the references are inadequate looks like gaming the system. Please engage with Scope creep rather than ignoring them and appealing to somebody else.

Proposed new section for an artice.

I've created a proposed new section for the film Born to Kill. I did it in my sandbox (first use of this tool) but I didn't submit it yet because it looks like that's really for full articles. What's the best way to get my proposal to the folks at WikiProjectFilm? I'm assuming a major addition like this from a new editor needs some kind of approval or consunsus. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 07:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pete Best Beatles. Your sandbox can be used to develop new content for existing articles, as well as new articles. So, there is nothing wrong with what you are trying to do in the abstract. The problem is that the new content that you have written is unreferenced to reliable sources, and that is not acceptable. So, your next step should be to add references before you move the content from your sandbox to the article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

It may not be formatted as in an actual article, but there is a reference on that page, at the bottom. So I guess the question is, do I hit the "Submit your draft for review" button an just sit back and wait? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Pete Best Beatles Do not submit it for AFC review, it will simply be declined because an article about the subject already exists. AFC only deals with new articles. The article's talk page is the first choice venue for discussing your addition. You can also drop a note at the WikiProject to alert interested editors to your proposal. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Inquiries about reference writing and writing.

Draft:Hanwha Defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hanwha_Defense 

This draft has no references. Notability cannot be established without references. Do not resubmit this draft without references. You can ask for advice about references at the Teahouse. This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject. Not every business corporation is notable, and this draft does not establish corporate notability. You may ask for advice about corporate notability at the Teahouse. This draft has been Rejected by a reviewer in the Articles for Creation review process. DO NOT resubmit this draft or attempt to resubmit this draft or prepare or submit a draft that is substantially the same as this draft without discussing the reasons for the rejection. You may request a discussion with the rejecting reviewer, or you may request a discussion with the community at the Teahouse. A discussion will not necessarily agree to a resubmission. It should be noted that the reviewer has not decided that the topic is not notable. An article on the topic may be accepted in the future. However, there is no reason to think that this draft will become an article, and there is evidence that this draft will never become an article. If there is to be an article on this topic, this draft must first be blown up and started over. If this draft is resubmitted without discussion and without starting it over, or if an attempt is made to resubmit this draft or an equivalent draft, without addressing the reasons for the Rejection by starting over, a partial block or a topic-ban may be requested against the submitting editor. You may ask for advice about Rejection at the Teahouse.

Please teach me the way. Duck3820 (talk) 01:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

What you copy/pasted above represents the comments the reviewer who Rejected the draft made to explain why the draft was Rejected, which is more severe than Declined. Foremost, you provided no references. DO NOT resubmit the draft as it is now. Delete all content, i.e., 'blown up'. If you insist on trying again, find published content about the company written by people who have no connection to the company. Those are the essential references. All content you write must be from information in those sources. If no such sources exist, give up. If you create a new draft, post a note on the Talk page of the editor who rejected it, asking if the new version has potential to become an article. David notMD (talk) 01:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Duck3820 See WP:REFBEGIN to learn how to add references, and WP:INTRODUCTION to learn other important editing basics. Are you being paid to write this promotional draft? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Help With Article Neutrality

Hi all! Just writing because I need some help from someone with more experience editing for neutrality on this page: Calvin Ball

I tried to resolve some of the issues, but as other editors noted there seem to be quite a few problems with this page. Urge any editors with more experience to take a look or pass on any tips :) Ml0695a (talk) 02:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ml0695a! I see you added a controversies section here. I would discourage that, per WP:CRITSECTION; just integrate it into the text elsewhere instead.

Another issue is sourcing. Your first source to The Baltimore Sun looks alright to me, but the other two have issues. HoCo Watchdog does not appear to be a reliable source, because its about page doesn't detail any sort of editorial process. The second Baltimore Sun article is an opinion piece, which does not work for a citation per WP:RSOPINION. Please find better sources for both of these. If no better sources exist, then the information is not due for the article. Speaking more broadly, we shouldn't give much focus to individual incidents unless they had a lasting impact on the person's career, since as an encyclopedia, we want to take a long-term view, rather than the more newsy focus of a newspaper. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Ml0695a that this article is overly filled with modest accomplishment by Ball, many representing an elected official's routine work, many not referenced. I cut 20%, but still needs an axe. Even then, there is the question of whether an article of a person at the county level is warranted. David notMD (talk) 10:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Amagarh Fort

help me. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 09:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Karsan Chanda You have written (and had Declined at AfC) an eleven-word draft (Draft:Amagarh Fort) with nine references. It is on you to add content to the draft. Teahouse hosts are charged with answering questions about how to edit and create articles, not be co-authors David notMD (talk) 10:28, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda What interesting facts about Amagarh Fort do those sources tell you? Can you share them with us? All you've done so far is tell us its name and where it is, but nothing about its history, who constructed it and why, who regards it as their property, if anyone has fought over it, whether it is a ruin or a functional structure, open to the public, or a religious monument, or a police station. Imagine you're a school child who was tasked with finding stuff out about it and asked to write a brief essay about it - would your draft be enough? I think not.

Your job (assuming you want to create this article) is to extract relevant factual information from your sources. Please don't copy-paste them directly, but summarise and rewrite them in your own words and support every statement with an 'inline citation'. There's help at WP:REFBEGIN on how to do that. The end product is a short, encyclopaedic article that is written in a neutral tone of voice which others will find relevant and non-promotional, and where they can go back to your sources and verify what the article says is true. Don't rely on blogs or private websites - only work from Reliable Sources. More advice available Here. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Help with draft

Please help me for Draft:Nitin_Pujari, What's wrong in this article? Ntndude (talk) 09:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Ntndude, the draft shows that he's a priest in a temple. Is there any reason to think that he's notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia article? Maproom (talk) 11:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Maproom,Nitin Pujari is a spiritual leader as well as a temple priest and is a participant in many social work, people like him very much and he has contributed a lot in setting up this religious institution.

if they have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject notable — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntndude (talk • contribs)

Complaining about a vandalizing Wikipedia editor

Hello Teahouse! I'm complaining about a malicious vandal who vagabonds around as a Wikipedia editor under the user name ElderZamzam, and his main cust is the following: He changes in the Wiki articles of all Iranians or persons of Iranian origin the name of their country of birth (Iran) from "Iran" to "Imperial state of Iran". But there is no such state, i.e. Imperial State of Iran, on Earth. Whoever dares to undo the wrong and illegitimate intervention of the vandal, his article will be blocked. These are intolerable conditions and unworthy of Wikipedia. What to do? Hil-ciccio (talk) 11:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC) Hil-ciccio (talk) 11:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Hil-ciccio: Hello Hil! I took a look at his contributions and he does not appear to be doing what you described. Did you perhaps confuse him with another user? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 11:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, it appears they are doing a little of that (They even know they're being a vandal by saying WP:SNEAKY in their edit summary]], however that doesn't appear to be all of their edits. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 11:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

"Imperial State of Iran" was the name of the country from 1935 to 1979, see https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/country-names/country-name-changes-in-hmg-use-1919-to-2020. Please don't use the term vandalism to refer to good-faith edits. See WP:vandalism. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

 Hil-ciccio (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC) @Balze Wolf, have a quick look, for example, at the article Mahmoud Khayami. Hil-ciccio (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Hil-ciccio: Wikipedia uses the titles which were relevant at the appropriate time, see the last paragraph (about anachronisms) in Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Geographical items. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Question about my User page

Hi, I'm new and I don't understand if my User page exists or not, and if it exists in English, does it also automatically exist in Italian (it doesn't seem so)?

Thanks to anyone who will help me to better understand how the registration works :)

Kind regards, Suzanna MSuzanna (talk) 12:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@MSuzanna: Hello welcome to the Teahouse, the answer to you question is no. If you have a user page on the English Wiki you will not also have one in the Italian or any other Wiki. Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@MSuzanna: If you create a user page at meta:Special:MyPage, it will be used in any language Wikipedia where you don't have a specific user page, see meta:Global user pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:18, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@MSuzanna: Back in December you changed your user page so that it redirects to your User talk page. If you wish to edit your user page, go to your user page User:MSuzanna then click near the top where it says "Redirected from User:MSuzanna".--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

translating pages about czech artists

Hello I would like to create an english version of this page https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristina_Weiserov%C3%A1 , what should I do. I would like to translate multiple czech artist pages into english in near future. AnnaMarieDvorakova (talk) 14:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello AnnaMarieDvorakova, see Wikipedia:Translation#Translation from a foreign language to English. --The Tips of Apmh 15:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@AnnaMarieDvorakova I think you will not be able simply to translate that page and assume it will be acceptable here. I don't speak Czech, but all I can see is a huge uncited biography and two references linking to YouTube. Whilst she may well meet our Notability Requirements, you will need to ensure that every statement of fact is supported by an inline citation. See WP:REFBEGIN or WP:ERB to understand how to do that. I do see there are some external links, and i would suggest these would need to be assess to see if they are Reliable Sources or not. If they are, you should base everything on what those sources say. Do not simply translate from Czech to English and expect it to be accepted here.

I say this not to put you off, but to appraise you of the importance of doing your own research and in finding and using those sources, and nothing else. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Creating Wikipedia Page about someone significant

Hi there, Our company would like to create a Wikipedia page about our current CEO who is a reasonably well-known figure in the entertainment industry within South Africa. He is an actor, film and theatre director and producer who has worked on numerous local and international projects over the last 10 years and is also the Founder and CEO of an International Performing Arts Academy in South Africa - which is a top performing arts school within South Africa (one of the 4 best in the country) and he is still very young - regardless of these amazing accomplishments.

We'd like to get him listed on Wikipedia as we feel that he has a great reputation and creditable career to be listed - plus this could benefit him, as well as our company, tremendously if approved and granted.

We don't know how this works, how to create a page, or request for it to be created. Assistance but mostly advice will be highly appreciated.

Regards 31.124.109.203 (talk) 11:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello there and welcome to the Teahouse, it looks like you have a conflict of interest with the article you are thinking about making. It is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia to create an article that one might have a conflict of interest with, because it might lead the article away from having a neutral point of view. If you are, however, to make this article you must first see that is passes the general notability guideline and if it does not sadly an article should not be written about your boss. Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

See also WP:PAID. Since you're employed by his company, it's highly likely you'll have to make a declaration that you are doing paid editing. Under some circumstances it's just about possible to argue that you're paid to do something completely different, that your CEO is unaware that you're writing an article about him, would not expect you to, that the company's publicity is none of your business, and that your actions won't influence your status in the company or carry any possibility of reward or censure, but this is very rare indeed. Even if you're an intern, and not actually paid, it counts. If you have any role in promoting the company, it absolutely definitely counts. So it's much the best to declare this up front properly, rather than get caught doing "unpaid editing" later, which will almost certainly result in all your work being deleted. Elemimele (talk) 13:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Advice here, then, is to create an account for yourself (all accounts represent individuals), state on your User page that you are an employee of ____ who is drafting an article about ____, and then use WP:YFA to create a referenced draft. Review guidelines for articles about corporations at WP:NCORP. When you are ready, the draft gets submitted to a formal review process. All facts must be supported by independent references. Understand that Wikipedia has articles, not pages, and that it you are successful in creating an article, there is no ownership - anyone can edit it as long as they include valid references. David notMD (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I'll put it a little more strongly. If at some time Wikiedia has an article about your CEO (whether you write it or not), the article will not belong to him or to you, neither you nor he will have control over its contents (though you will be welcome suggest edits to it), it could end up containing material he does not like (as long as this is based on reliable published sources), and indeed, close to 100% of the article should be based on reliable published sources wholly unconnected with your CEO, not on what he says or wants to say. See WP:OWN and WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

"plus this could benefit him, as well as our company, tremendously if approved and granted." is exactly what Wikipedia is not. David notMD (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

These articles are according WP policies ?

Rashmi Thackeray and a related women page to her, are these to sub are notable to have a WP page about them. These pages also not looks like a WP articles normally looks, the articles are looking like their personal website, where there political party supporters. Success think (talk) 18:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think, could you articulate your concerns about the article more clearly? It looks like the sources establish notability to me. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: Is Rashmi Thackeray's notability derived from being a spouse, or from being an editor? What has she done in her career? All good things you can bring up at the article's talk page, Talk:Rashmi Thackeray. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

This little weirdness was in the intro: "currently serving as the spouse of the Chief minister of Maharashtra to Uddhav Thackeray. " Checking around, I think that the author was actually trying to say that "she is the spouse of the Chief minister of Maharashtra, Uddhav Thackeray" and have so edited the lead. The rest of the article should be looked over to see if this same lack of English proficiency is evident in the rest of it. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 17:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

How to add a usage to an existing disambiguation page, without creating a new article?

I am trying to understand how WP:REDDEAL and MOS:DABRED interact (and am sufficiently confused that I just spent an hour two? + hours composing the following, on an iPad, in raw wikitext, because I clearly hate sleep 😉).

Background example:

1. There is an existing disambiguation page for a term.
2. A user lands upon this disambiguation page during a search, or by linking to the term in another article (not describing the term, just referencing it) and finding that the wikilink did not lead to what they intended.

   e.g.

   “A live broadcast of the Queen’s 75th birthday celebration was available to all citizens to view on their Skylink receivers.”

3. No existing entry on that disambiguation page matches the topic the user was trying to find (or the topic implied by the context of the wikilink that led them there.

Possible scenarios:

1. An article exists already for the desired topic
   1. Add a wikilink pointing to the topic’s article (and a short description) to the disambiguation page

      * Skylink (TV platform), the Czech–Slovak satellite platform

2. An article for the desired topic does not exist yet, but the topic is described within another article page
   1. Add the topic name, without a red wikilink, to the disambiguation page, and wikilink to the other article in the short description:

      * Skylink (TV platform), the Czech–Slovak satellite platform operated by M7 Group

3. An article does not exist yet, it plausibly could (within notability standards), the user does not have the knowledge to create a standalone article (which could be one reason why they were searching for it in the first place), and the topic isn’t described within the body of any known article:
   1. Add a wikilink, even though it will be red, to aid visibility and to encourage article creation by others in the future:

      * Skylink (TV platform), the Czech–Slovak satellite platform

   2. Do not do #1, but if that red wikilink is already there, leave it alone for the reasons listed in #1

Questions:

1. Does anything above seem incorrect?
2. In the case of scenario C, if C.1. is not correct, what should be done?
   1. Perhaps my eyes are just glazed over by now, but it seems that the combination of WP:REDDEAL and MOS:DABRED imply that C.1. is both okay and not okay.
      1. From a data consistency perspective, not okay makes sense (sort of; more so if WP were a print encyclopedia).
      2. From user and reader friendliness perspective, okay seems to make more sense.
   2. i.e. If the Skylink (TV platform) article didn’t already exist (but it could, since it does right now) could someone add that term to the disambiguation page without creating an article or researching citations?
3. If the answer to the previous question is “nothing”/“no”, how can this user (who may not even have a Wikipedia account, or may have knowledge that a topic appears to be missing but only has, say, 15 minutes to volunteer) share their knowledge to improve that page?
   1. (Perhaps they could notate the disambiguation page’s ‘talk’ page, but that doesn’t seem very visible.)
4. Is there a scenario where a topic might not be notable enough for its own article (or even as part of another article), yet still be mentioned on an existing disambiguation page?

Thanks for reading - any thoughts are appreciated!
 Jim Grisham (talk) 11:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Jim Grisham, the purpose of a disambiguation page is to disambiguate among Wikipedia articles, not among subjects. So I disagree with C. I would not add a redlink to a dab page. When I notice such a link, I check if there's a page it could reasonably link to: then either link it to such a page, or delete it. If you believe that a subject is notable, but you don't feel up to creating an article yourself, you could mention it in the dab page's talk page, listing enough sources to establish notability. Maproom (talk) 12:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Jim Grisham:, I agree with C as well, but would also suggest that you read disambiguation for any questions you might have for a disambiguation page. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:35, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

That’s partially why I’m confused. Did I misread the references above (disambiguation style manual and redlink guidance)? C.1. and C.2. came from there. I think they are individually correct per those references; but, logically they both can’t always be. My main question is: did I just interpret those incorrectly, or is there a conflict here? - - - - From a user perspective, they search for something, and end up on a disambiguation page. They see a list of things, and something significant with the same name isn’t listed. I get that wasn’t the original intended purpose, but what else have we got? (and this case doesn’t involve creating a new disambiguation page, but simply adding an item to such a page that already exists, and as noted at WP:PRIMARYRED, but then later limited by MOS:DABMENTION If the missing ‘thing’, (and I’m using ‘thing’ instead of ‘article’ here, because at this point they don’t know if an article exists or not), is related to the others in other ways than just nomenclature, then it can be listed in a ’set index article’ (tangentially the subject of the section at the top of Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) right now) with a red link - there appears to be no conflict in guidance there. - - - - More generalized scenario: So, you have two people. Separated by time and space. A. Person one knows a thing exists, and learns that Wikipedia doesn’t, but she doesn’t know anything encyclopedic about it. Perhaps she has no time / resources to learn more, but willing to share that small thing, the knowledge of the thing’s existence. The speck of dust at the center of a majestic snowflake waiting to be born. B. Person two knows all about a thing; they might assume nearly everyone else does as well. If person one left a breadcrumb in the past that indicated Wikipedia doesn’t actually know about this thing, perhaps person two discovers this accidentally. Person two could then write a detailed, well-referenced, high quality article about the thing. Without action by person one, person two may never have known of the need. That type of scenario would require C.1. to take priority over C.2., right? What is the likelihood that someone, who is not a Wikipedia editor, just happens to stumble upon a Disambiguation:Talk page. (Totally serious question - seems wild to me, but that’s why I’m reaching out for advice.) If the consensus is instead that C.2. takes priority over C.1., it seems the lowest-friction path for person one would be to instead: 1. add a reference for the ‘thing’ in another article (e.g. M7 Group in B.1.) and then 2. Add to the disambiguation page a mention of the ‘thing’ (bold; not wikilinked) followed by a short description and a blue link to that other article. As an added benefit, this would bring greater exposure for the need for additional content, as anyone reading that other article would now know that this ‘thing’ existed. Eh? - - - - Disambiguation . . . . . . . . . . : 24 pages Manual of Style: Disambiguation . : 23 pages WikiProject Disambiguation . . . . : 29 pages Red Link . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 6 pages -- 82 pages vs. the page I just found, 6 hours later Disambiguation dos and don’ts . . : 2 pages One of the stated goals of the Foundation is for everyone to “freely share in the sum of all human knowledge”… perhaps for now this has to go to another project, such as WikiData? Apologies if I got a bit Ranty McRantface there -

Thank you for your replies - your time and service are appreciated! Jim Grisham (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View vs. A Unique Native Perspective

Hello! I have had this question bouncing around my head for a while, troubling me with analysis paralysis. Today a professor pulled me out of it by suggesting I just ask you all.

There is a page for a Guarani chieftain named Lambaré who, in the 16th century, fought against the Spanish conquest of Paraguay. The page exists only in Guarani. I came upon it because I am from Paraguay, and interested in Native histories. I have many times noted that the language that an article is in determines the information presented therein, and upon realizing that there was a Guarani Wikipedia I wanted to seek articles in that language out—specifically those that would be inaccessible from Spanish/French/English Wikipedias. I found a few, and started a project with someone else to translate them. However, with COVID and Life Circumstances, things fell through. Nonetheless, we did manage to translate one article, which I wanted to put on the English site and make accessible to others.
However, and here comes the problem, the article is not written in a "neutral point of view," as per this page. The point will be easier to illustrate with an excerpt; these are the first lines:

• Guarani: Che niko aikuaase ko’ág̃aite peve, mba’érepa ko’ã cacique ha ambue omanóva’ekue ñane retã rayhupápe ndojehecharamói avei chupekuéra pe 1º jasyapýpe, Mariscal-kuéra apytépe, pysyrõhára apytépe, mba’érepa herakuéra ndojehechái oñeñe’ẽvo Paraguái rembiasáre, umi ohaíva’ekue piko añetehápe Paraguay ra’ytee téiko pytagua? Ápe peteĩ mandu’aimi hesegua ajuhúva.
• English: I want to know this instant: why do we not also see these chiefs, and others who died for their love of our homeland, among the marshals and defenders on the First of March? Why do we not see their names mentioned in the history of Paraguay? Were those that wrote it so little Paraguayan that they were foreigners?

I think it's pretty clear that this is not neutral, and within Wikipedia's styleguide. However, I must stress that this is unique. This, and probably other articles on Guarani Wikipedia and other lesser-known languages, have such biases. But their value is in the perspective they provide, the autochtonous record of events we usually only have access to from the colonizer's perspective.
I've been hesitant to bring this issue up for so long because my deepest fear is that the Guarani page, which is beautiful and has worth in its own rights, will be taken down—be made inaccessible to the public—and something great will be lost. I was concerned that translating it into English would highlight this deficiency and lead it to the deleted, but that was leading me to not do anything with the translation. Instead of doing that, and not having room to explain anything, I think it is/was best that I post here and lay out my thoughts.
What should I do with my English translation is one question. Another is: what should be done about the Guarani article? I hope that the answer is nothing for the latter... My question really is about whether or not I can post an article from a 1st person singular/2nd person plural perspective on English Wikipedia. However, the underlying question is whether such articles are even allowed on Wikipedia period, regardless of language.
This is my first post here, so my apologies if this is not the proper place to post this or to go about it. Please help me if you can! Is there some authority who can make an ad hoc ruling, or is this adressed in a FAQ, or in a guideline/styleguide?
Thank you
 I. Riva (talk) 02:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I. Riva. Let me begin by saying that I know nothing about the Guarani Wikipedia but do know a little about how Wikipedia versions in various languages are governed. In brief, each language version is autonomous, as long as they are aligned with the general principles of the Wikimedia movement. Each project establishes its own notability standards and other standards for articles. Guarani is a language with a few million native speakers but only a few thousand Wikipedia articles. You should not assume that a Guarani Wikipedia article is also notable on the English Wikipedia, because of the variations in notability standards. And, if translated into English, the new English language article is expected to comply with the policies and guidelines of the English Wikipedia. So, to create a successful "translation ", or more correctly an English language article based in part on the Guarani original, then you must substantially rewrite the article to bring it into compliance with English language Wikipedia standards. Cullen328 (talk) 06:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I. Riva, the bias in what's presented caused by the language (and ethnicity) of the author obviously exists, and it can be difficult to decide what reference-point is neutral. What I consider neutral might be very different to what a Paraguayan would consider neutral, because I'm standing in a different place, looking with different eyes. The thing about Wikipedia is that we can address such differences, and can talk about it, but we must do so with someone else's voice, not our own. You can use the points of view expressed in the Guarani page, but must find some reliable secondary source where those points of view have been spoken (in any language); I hope that their author, or others with the same viewpoint, will have written those thoughts elsewhere than Wikipedia pages. If someone stood up and complained that the history has been written by the colonists, you can and should include that in your article, properly referenced. We just have to balance all mainstream points of view. So Cullen328 is right: it might take a lot of work to re-write the Guarani article to meet English WP standards, but it's about finding referencing, and balancing all viewpoints, not about necessarily the Guarani article being "wrong". But I think you know that. We cannot right wrongs, but we can report others who've righted wrongs in good secondary sources. Yes, the Guarani viewpoint is unique rather than neutral, but unique viewpoints can (should!) still be in English WP provided they're presented as part of the whole story (and surely the native perspective is a big part of the story), and provided they're properly supported by referencing. Elemimele (talk) 09:47, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@I. Riva, thanks for your note here! To answer your direct question, first, yes, we absolutely want to have an article on Lambaré in English. Latin American topics are an area where we're significantly lacking coverage due to Wikipedia's systemic bias, and remedying that is extremely valuable. However, as others have discussed above, neutrality is a core pillar of English Wikipedia, so just a direct translation of the Guarani page wouldn't be acceptable here (although it could certainly be a good starting point).

Another important thing is sourcing. It looks like there's one or two sources at the bottom of the bottom of the Guarani page—it'd be helpful if you could translate those for us, but we'll probably need more. I did a search to see what I could find in English, and I came up with a few finds: There seem to be some others on Google Books, and you're also welcome to use non-English sources. I'd suggest pasting your translation at Draft:Lambaré (chieftain) and working on it there, adding high-quality sources to support the material, and then submitting it when it's ready. I'm happy to help; I've watchlisted that page and you can post on my talk page anytime to summon me.

Lastly, zooming out a bit, here's another way to frame neutrality. While personal, non-neutral texts can be valuable cultural documents, ultimately they're not encyclopedic, so they don't fit with our purpose here in the same way as neutral accounts do. One of the beautiful things about English Wikipedia is that, because we have contributors from all over the world, it's easier to counter cultural biases from any one place. For instance, when we were looking to close a discussion on whether Fox News can be used as a reliable source, we sought out non-American editors to assess the consensus. Wikipedias in languages predominantly spoken in a single country often have a harder time doing this. That phenomenon has been covered in this article on Japanese Wikipedia and this one on Croatian Wikipedia. Granted, the global prevalence of English certainly has its own colonial history, but that's getting into a separate discussion. Anyways, I hope you'll move forward with writing the article on Lambaré, and please let us know if there's anything we can do to help with that. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:18, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

References

Research assistant

Hello, I am a research assistant at a university. Part of my employment is to write and post an article on wikipedia about research models in my field. However, I have found that paid writers are not allowed to post on wikipedia or they need to disclose payment? Did I understand that correctly? Or what am I missing? :) Thank you - LOWTeam2022 (talk) 05:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi again LOWTeam2022. It sounds like your employer might be misunderstanding some very important things about Wikipedia. I've mentioned some of these above in my answer to your other question your other question, but you might want to explain to your employer that Wikipedia articles aren't really intended to be places for publishing academic or other types of research. Articles can contain information (when encyclopedically relevant) about already published and peer reveiwed reseach when it's considered to be a reliable source as explained here, but articles aren't intended to be a way of publishing or promoting one's research (i.e. means of first publication). As for paid-editing, it's not expressly prohibitted as long is it's properly declared as explained in Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, but be advised that many in the Wikipedia community are highly suspicious of even properly declared paid editing which may create issues between you and other Wikipedia editors. Paid-editing is a form of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and such editing is highly discouraged and considered inappropriate by many. Anyway both paid and COI editing can be done when done properly in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines, but you will have no real editorial control over such an article once it's created as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content and no special consideration will be granted to you just because you've been compensated for your work by a third-party. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 24 January 2022 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

This is actually quite a messy area, and I suspect you are the tip of the iceberg. I am quite certain that many universities and research organisations have held wikithons and encouraged their employees to update Wikipedia's articles/write new articles about their areas of research. In general, it goes unnoticed because all concerned are blissfully unaware that they've strayed into paid and COI territory. Usually, the people who do the work are motivated by very similar aims to WP itself, and they're often good writers who respect the importance of sources, so the product is good, and no one notices. @Marchjuly has given good advice. You will face an up-hill struggle because editors here are deeply suspicious of COI. But the absolutely, totally, fundamentally most important thing is that your task is impossible unless the research models about which you wish to write are accepted models that have been used/written-about independently by other researchers. WP isn't the place to promote new, cutting-edge ideas (that's straying into original research), or generally to promote one institution. Thank you for raising the question. You were right to do so. Elemimele (talk) 07:06, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I hope I am doing this right to respond here...I sincerely appreciate your help in thinking through these details. I have been trying to process the information when I read it and glad to have this place to do so.

The research is not new; has been around for many years and proven with many case studies/examples. Also the research has already been published in peer reviewed journals and textbooks.

Does this help clarify? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LOWTeam2022 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Creating new articles in accordance with Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines is quite a difficult thing to get used to for even experienced (i.e. professional) writers because the Wikipedia:Manual of Style might not be what they're accustomed to and in many cases might seem "wrong" or "counterintuitive". Even the wikicode used in creating and formatting articles can be tricky if you're used to something different. However, it's going to make no difference how beautifully written and formatted an article is if it's not able to WP:OVERCOME the hurdle of Wikipedia:Notability. Wikipedia notability (or the lack thereof) is pretty much the main reason why article's end up WP:DELETEd. If you're unable to establish whether the subject you want to write about is clearly "Wikipedia notable", then its chances of surviving a deletion challenge go way down. I've got no idea what you're going to try and create an article about, but perhaps a good thing to do would be to check whether there's a Wikipedia:WikiProject which might cover the subject matter. Perhaps the editors of such a project would be better able to assess whether what you want to write about should be written about or maybe whether it's already been written about. Many WikiProjects have members with backgrounds in research and academia and they might be able to help provide advice more specific to your particular situation. If it turns out that Wikipedia is not suited for what you're trying to do, there are many WP:ALTERNATIVEs that might better suit your needs that will give you more control and are less restrictive when it comes to things like shared accounts, paid editing, conflict of interest editing, etc. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

You have been coy so far as to the nature of the research area. Biomedical? Electronic? Energy? Economics? What does "research models" mean? Are there no existing articles for which the research at your university could be added to? Keep in mind that encyclopedias are trailing indicators of information. General advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 10:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

And you can kill two birds with one stone in following David notMD's advice: if you can find some articles related to what you want to write about, improving them is a worthy action in itself, but will also help you find out about WP's style and formatting, and you might find an article whose structure you can use as a pattern for writing a new article. Although good sources are the vital starting-point, your article will have best chances of acceptance if it reads similarly to other, good articles in the same field (try to find good examples to follow; look on the talk-pages of the articles, where you will find a box at the top. In some articles, this box will say that the article is on an important subject, or has been rated. The best articles to use as patterns are those that are important enough to have been seen by a lot of editors - they're less likely to be misguided products that have slipped under the radar - and that are good enough to have been rated as good!). Elemimele (talk) 16:27, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

You've piqued my curiosity, LOWTeam2022. Could you point us to a couple of articles that cover the topic? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 07:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I am going to seek more clarity before responding. Thanks for all of the support and interest. LOWTeam2022 (talk) 19:34, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Using an old logo in addition to the latest one

Hi! I was editing the page of a football club. It already has a logo added to its infobox under what I believe is fair use. But the club adopted that logo only in 2016, and I found the logo it used for several years before that. If I wanted to add the old logo to the article (not in infobox), will be I able to do it under fair use? Toofllab (talk) 21:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Toofllab. Item 8 of the non-free content criteria says: Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. If you think your proposal will meet that criteron (and you are prepared to argue the case if another editor disagrees) then go ahead and include it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, item 3a may be more relevant: Minimal number of items. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

The current logo has only been in place since 2016, while the older logo had been used since at least the 2000's, if not the 1990's (the cub was formed in 1996). Do you think its a valid reason? Toofllab (talk) 22:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Toofllab, I am puzzled that your external link goes to an imageless YouTube video of a Kanye West song recording. How is this relevant?

To answer the logo question, I would say that if each logo contain elements relevant to details of the club's circumstances and/or history and the two are significantly different, then both could be used provided that the article text actually explains these details. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.224.157 (talk) 20:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

wikipedia page declined

hey! i got told here to see why my article got declined Wintercake93 (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

The reason why your draft was declined is given in the pink box on Draft:Poor Mans Poison. You deleted it despite the note saying "Do not remove this line!" but I have reinstated it. The words in blue are wikilinks to specific guidance. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wintercake93: Please note that the message on your talk page states: "If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk." It then goes on to state "If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse". GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Editing Elements

How do I add user boxes to my user page? ExoplanetaryNova (talk) 23:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@ExoplanetaryNova: Hello Nova! You simply just put the location of the userbox in curly brackets, so for example, to use my Opera GX userbox I made, you would type {{User:Blaze Wolf/Userboxes/Opera GX}} ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@ExoplanetaryNova: Here's another link for more userboxes. WP:USERBOXES Severestorm28 23:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Then how do I make userboxes? ExoplanetaryNova (talk) 23:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@ExoplanetaryNova: Not Blaze Wolf, but maybe this Wikipedia article may help. WP:CREATEUSERBOX Severestorm28 23:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@ExoplanetaryNova: If you try making a userbox but you can't quite figure it out I just want to let you know that I am always here if you want a custom userbox made. Just make sure you ask me on my talk page and not the Teahouse if you want one. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 23:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@ExoplanetaryNova: if I'm being honest, I almost never create a userbox from scratch. All 3 of the userboxes I've made (only 1 I've added to the userbox gallery) I've based off of another userbox. I based my Opera GX userbox off of ZeroOne's Opera userbox. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Article submission not approved

I received a message that our submission was not accepted because "they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

Adam Epstein is a former Broadway producer who won 12 Tony Awards, including for the original production of the hit musical "Hairspray", and is now the host of the acclaimed podcast, "Dirty Moderate with Adam Epstein". The youngest Tony Winner for Best Musical since 1955 (at the time) and his Broadway credits seem to be both "notable" and "remarkable" as according to the Wikipedia Notability requirements.

I have linked independent sources such as playbill.com that show his credits as a producer, as well as the production company responsible for producing Mr. Epstein's podcast. I am writing on behalf of Mr. Epstein. 72.177.69.1 (talk) 23:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft:Adam Epstein, and the creating editor has declared a COI on User page. David notMD (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Subject meets WP:ANYBIO given the Tony but its mostly/all primary sourced and connected sources. Not sure that's enough to decline as it would likely survive AfD(if only because the gnomes will find a better source).Slywriter (talk) 00:15, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Clearing sandbox after publishing article

When I have published an article I am left with a notice in my sandbox: " This is a redirect from a page move." From what I have read elsewhere I believe that I can just delete this to clear my sandbox to start on my next piece, but for the life of me I can't work out how to. Can you please give me some basic instructions? I know I am missing something! Thanks. Frb12 (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Frb12: Hello Frb12! There are 2 ways to do so, one is to add to your URL for your sandbox &redirect=no after the part of the url that says sandbox (So it would turn out as ...User:Frb12/sandbox&redirect=no. An easier way would be to go to your sandbox, let it redirect you, and when it takes you to the new page, there'll be a small bit of text that says "(Redirect from User:Frb12/sandbox)". You just click on your link to the sandbox and it'll take you back to the sandbox without redirecting you. Then you can simply just edit source and blank the page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf wow, I've always deleted items from my sandbox by clicking on Edit, highlighting everything, and hitting my computer's Delete key. I work on new articles offline, and then move them to Wikipedia:Article wizard/version1/Ready for submission, so it might make a difference if I only use my sandbox to see if I've formatted a citation or an information box properly. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Is there any way to remove something from edit history?

I don't really like something in my edit history. Is it possible to remove it? InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 01:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: Hello I-5 Interstate Five! While there is a way to remove (really just hide) edit from the edit history, it will not be done just because you don't like it. See WP:OVERSIGHT and WP:REVDEL for more info. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, it's on my user page, not on some random Wikipedia article. Does the same policy still apply? InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 01:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: Yes the same policy still applies. Policies apply across all of Wikipedia (with few, if any, exceptions). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:52, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

K, thanks! InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 01:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: NO problem. Glad I could help. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, thank you for replying inline and signing I'm only saying this because a lot of users who come to this page don't know how to do that which is understandable. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

If it's the user page you could request deletion of your userpage. That deletes the entire page incl. edit history. Not something you could request on a frequent base though. Details are explained at WP:U1, basically just need to add {{Db-u1}} to your userpage. And don't forget beforehand to save content from it in case you wanna use it again in the future. – NJD-DE (talk) 01:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@NJD-DE: Wouldn't the edit history be restored if they recreate their userpage? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Njd-de: I hate it when people's usernames in their sig don't match the case of their actual username― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

If there's no contributions from other editors the edit history wouldn't need to be retained, and I don't see a need for restoring the history then upon recreation of the userpage – unless they'd request undeletion. Entirely deleting the userpage really would be only a last-resort option anyway IMO.

Sorry for the inconvenience. When I created my account few years ago I was expecting that usernames aren't case-sensitive. Then I learned better, and I tried to "fix" it with the signature back then. Quickly learnt that's not ideal either, but never did anything about it again.. – NJD-DE (talk) 02:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Njd-de: Alright sounds good! And don't worry, it's merely a minor annoyance. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate wikidata entries

2 Duplicate Wikidata e I noticed there are 3 WikiData entries for Roswell P. Flower Memorial Library, and the following two are duplicates, and it makes it annoying searching for it. [1] [2] I cannot tag these or mark them for deletion, so could an administrator delete them? Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 02:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lallint, thanks for reporting this! There were three Wikidata items: Roswell P. Flower Memorial Library (Q7370120), Roswell P. Flower Memorial Library (Q69967544), and Roswell P. Flower Memorial Library (Q69486211). The last one is distinct, since it refers to the entire library system, rather than to the building at 229 Washington St., Watertown, NY. But for the former two, I merged them. If you come across something like this again in the future, you can follow the instructions at wikidata:Help:Merge to merge items using the gadget. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Submitting article for review

I have been advised to do this for an article I'm writing but the option doesn't appear, even when I add the code {{AfC submission|||ts=20220128004906|u=SA222F|ns=4}} to the top of the text. How can I do this? Do I just publish the article again? Last time I did this, it was reverted with no explanation and I had to ask directly to get an understanding. SA222F (talk) 00:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Never mind, I just needed to publish it... SA222F (talk) 00:52, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi SA222F. First a couple of questions and then a suggestion.

Are you connected to this organization in any way? I'm asking this because your account is only a couple days old and the first thing you tried to do was create an article about this organization; moreover, you also posted above that you just needed to publish it. So, at first glance, you have at least an WP:APPARENTCOI. FWIW, this doesn't mean that an article cannot be created but it will be easier for others to help you if you're completely transparent about any connection you have with Draft:Queer Screen. Many Wikipedia editors tend to be more willing to help out when they feel the person asking for assistance isn't trying to pull a fast one.

Have you read through Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) or Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. The former explains what generally needs to be established for a company or organization to have an article about it added to Wikipedia; in particular, close attention needs to be paid to this. The latter is what Wikipedia refers to as an WP:ESSAY, but it also contains information that you might find helpful.

Finally, you might want to ask the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies for assistance with this draft since they are most likely as familiar as anyone with assessing the subject's Wikipedia:Notability and how to best write such articles. You can also try Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia too. Posting a message on the talk page of either of those two WikiProjects should get a response. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, I meant I just needed to publish the draft for the review to appear, I thought there would be another button that would pop up. Not that I just needed to publish the article and get out of here, sorry for the confusion. Yes, I am affiliated with Queer Screen, but I am not trying to pull a fast one so to speak. I genuinely believe that redirecting the page for Queer Screen to the page for Mardi Gras Film Festival is erroneous, as it doesn't cover the scope of what Queer Screen achieves, including the other notable festivals and community outreach, all of which I've cited in the draft article. Furthermore, it's of note as you say to the LGBT community and is included in various archives (some of which are also cited). I have amended other articles in the past under a different username, but no longer have the login details, but I can appreciate how this appears.

I have read through the notability article and believe Queer Screen is notable enough to warrant an entry. Thanks again! SA222F (talk) 02:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I left a comment on your draft as none of the sources provide anything beyond a passing mention of the organization. WP:NORG gives more specifics about notability for organizations. WP:THREE reliable sources independent of the subject is a good rule of thumb.Slywriter (talk) 02:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I would like to expand a page that has been written about me

A page was written for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Donaldson I would like to add more information to my personal information:- I would like to add a recent photo, my 'Alma mater' and occupation. I wonder what 'Years active' means...? I'd like to add information to the main body of text. I am working on a laptop - VisualEditor (?) - not mobile view 86.177.135.104 (talk) 22:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Please first review the Autobiography policy. If you have suggestions for changes, please make them at Talk:Laura Donaldson in the form of an edit request(click for instructions). For uploading a photo(ideally one you took yourself/a relative took) see Files for upload. 331dot (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello. You have a conflict of interest and should edit carefully. You should read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and follow the advice there. I suggest that you open an account to facilitate communication with other editors and use the formal edit request process at Talk: Laura Donaldson. As for a photo, if you are the copyright holder, you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons under an acceptable free license. It can then be added to the article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:02, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

As the subject of the article, perhaps you also have access to clippings that document your career accomplishments? It would be especially helpful if you identify at Talk: Laura Donaldson any articles or other sources that covered your career in some depth. Such sources will help greatly in overcoming a contention that the article in its current state does not demonstrate that you qualify for a stand-alone article under Wikipdia's general notability guideline. Please don't take my suggestion as a "dig". Your accomplishment in qualifying for the Olympics is, of course, amazing, but Wikipedia's guidelines require us to show that you have received in-depth coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. Cbl62 (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Miss. Laura Donaldson If articles about you written available on world wide web from news website, provide links to your article's WP:talk page someone will add about you in article.Success think (talk) 06:41, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

{{tb}} link added. Mathglot (talk) 02:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Is this articles sufficient to be in mainspace?

Is this Draft: Pradeep Narwal sufficient to be accepted as Article? As I can see this draft have 227 views in 17 days but no one accepted yet. Confused! ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 17:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, just because it has 227 views does not mean they are all reviewers looking at the article, but from what I can tell the article looks good as well as the sources (I don’t know about the one in the other language though). ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Kaleeb18 Thank you. The other language which don't know is Hindi language. The Hindi news source is from News18 which mostly considered as reliable. If everything is fine. Hope someone will accept this soon. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 17:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheChunky No problem, there is just a big backlog right now as there are currently over 2900 articles also waiting for review. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:25, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello TheChunky and welcome to the Teahouse, there is nothing unusual here, articles submitted at AFC can be in waiting for up to 90 days, the reason being, “AFC” isn’t a queue, rather, think of it like a “pool” there isn’t a specific order in which articles are reviewed. Do have a little patience and in due time your article would be reviewed. Sorry for the inconvenience, keep in mind that editors working at AFC as with any other aspects of this project are volunteers who edit as a hobby or a means to contribute to knowledge, so like I said exhibit little patience, if after three months the article is left unreviewed do let us know, and I would personally take care of the reviewing for you. Celestina007 (talk) 17:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Addendum; i saw this comment made by you; “Hope someone will accept this soon” if I may ask, Is there a particular reason you want this reviewed quickly? A valid rationale might make me review if for you within the hour if the reason is a very cogent one. Celestina007 (talk) 17:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007 Thanks for the elaboration. Regarding my comment, I hope someone will accept it soon. I said this because I saw there were almost 200+ views on this very draft and none of them reviewed it. I don't have any urgency, like I am not forcing someone to accept. But I was just asking whether it could be accepted or not. If not, then what changes do I have to make to it? That is just for gaining experience. As you mentioned, AfC is run entirely by volunteers, so no one can be forced to attend. I enjoy contributing to Wikipedia and the above-mentioned draft, which I created solely to gain experience in biographical wikis, which are of particular interest to me. But besides this, I usually write articles about places mostly.❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

Celestina007 as I can see you have lot of experience, I hope you can teach me too where I don't know the things. Hope you will be my mentor. Can you adopt me? ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

TheChunky, not all editors who viewed the draft article might have the technical ability to accept it (or decline). Furthermore, I would suggest experimenting is best done in your sandbox, BLP's or biographies(living or dead) in general are very delicate, to be honest I don’t think experimenting with article creations is a good idea. Unfortunately I am unable to adopt anyone due to the fact that I edit in very tasking aspects of Wikipedia that require pedantic concentration, there are however other editors who are willing to adopt editors, see them here. My talkpage is however always open if you have specific questions to ask me. Celestina007 (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Focusing on # of article views is a waste of time. We generally don't care about that for articles unless there's direct consequences for the article as a result (in the form of an influx of new editors or vandals). I'll remind you that Wikipedia uses NOFOLLOW for all outgoing links. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Celestina007 and Jéské Couriano for your suggestions. I will practise my new articles in the sandbox. Regarding the view count, I know it is not compulsory that only users having the technical ability to accept articles have seen it. But I wanted to see if anybody had left a message there so that I could learn more. Currently, I am focusing on Indian politics-related articles because the elections in India are going to start next month. And the Wikipedia readers would be researching the parties and candidates' history and background. This Draft:Pradeep Narwal is my first article on political biography and I have created it by considering Wikipedia:NPOL. I was here to get suggestions only. Well, I will ask here again if I need any help with any article. Thanks again for the guidance.❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 03:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I need help with my first article

Hi all!

I recently published a draft and they gave it back to me, saying I didn't cite enough credible sources. Okay, I agree with that. But what about small companies that make a good and important product, that are written about by online subject sites, but are not written about by the Times and Guardian? And why do I see such companies' pages added to Wikipedia, but not mine?

If you can - please take a look at my draft and tell me what sources would work, so I know what direction to go in. Dmitrii Kolosov (talk) 13:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Getscreen.me. Theroadislong (talk) 13:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dmitrii Kolosov Welcome to the Teahouse. I fear that the company you want to write about simply won't ever generate the kind of attention that would result in detailed, in-depth articles being written about them, other than those within insider magazines. That's not to say that the products and services from those companies are not important. But there are millions upon millions upon millions of companies making good, important and often life-saving products which will never, ever meet the criteria of having had the world's attention drawn to them in a way that Wikipedia recognises as its Notabilty bar for inclusion. For businesses and corporations, a minimum of three detailed, in depth articles would be needed in mainstream publications of one sort or another, and I don't mean ones that you were then paid to write and then p[aid to use on Wikipedia as simple WP:PROMOTION. See WP:NCORP for a further explanation. I'm really sorry about this; I hope no money has changed hands. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Hi, Nick! Thanks for your answer. I work for this company, so no money was given to me. Almost all of our competitors are in Wikipedia and it is very strange to hear that this kind of software will never get into it. We have over 50,000 customers all over the world. Apparently, we just have to wait until they write an article in some Washington Post)Dmitrii Kolosov(talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dmitrii Kolosov Anyone employed any company is 100% being paid to write for Wikipedia - even if they do it in their spare bedroom at home in the evening. But I see you have already declared your own paid connection - so thank you. Unfortunately, in a way you are correct - yes, it requires major press or publisher interest being shown in a company to meet WP:NCORP. Because Wikipedia is not a promotional tool, you are welcome to tell us which other companies also fail to meet that standard. We are constantly clearing out articles that were put here for just that purpose, yet aren't really notable as such -especially since our criteria on organisations has been tightened up. See WP:AFD for information on that process. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

My international organization only for fun (micronation type thing) (My own Astronomical Organization)

How can I make my own organization page in Wikipedia without marking my page as a "hoax"? I want to make my own organization about space and stuff, so everyone could just be interested in my group.Just like Facebook groups, or something like that. (I know, why English is very bad)

Ps: I'm a vexillologist and a science student. Gio loto (talk) 05:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Gio loto: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia is not the place to create an article to promote your own organization - see WP:PROMO. Social media may be a better avenue for you. GoingBatty (talk) 05:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, In order to make the article decided by WMF Group. NTDEV (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Gio loto: I'm sorry, but you seem to have mis-undertood the purpose of Wikipedia. It is not the place to announce or publicize your planned venture. It is an encyclopaedia, where we write articles about established, notable subjects. Your organization will only have an article here after it is well established and has extensive in-depth coverage in the media. Until then, it is too soon.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

creating my own wiki page for business facts.

hi, im looking to create a wiki page for my business, just giving the history, facts and a small bit about myself. I have submitted once and got banned, i dont want this to happen and im just looking for some help. Thomvic2022 (talk) 13:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

If you got banned you must not edit here. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Unless you go back and successfully appeal the ban (that was of you at a different account?). And was that blocked or banned? David notMD (talk) 13:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thomvic2022, welcome to the Teahouse. Before creating it again, you have to delcare on what is called a COI (Conflict of Interest). You need to strongly delcare your article a COI before you wanted to create for your business. It means that you are creating an article for yourself, your business, or your friend, or whoever you have a relationship with. Please declare a COI before creating your article. Thank you. Severestorm28 13:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Is Thomvic2022 a sockpuppet of a different banned account? I searched in the block log and found no results. Severestorm28 13:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

If Thomvic2022 was in fact blocked (banned?) at a previous account and no one has had reason to initiate a sockpuppet investigation, there would be no record of such in Thomvic2022's Contributions. Alternative possibility is that an earlier submission was Declined or Rejected, but no action taken against the editor. We need Thomvic2022 to clarify situation. David notMD (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Separate from that discussion, Wikipedia has articles about notable organizations and people, not pages for whoever wants to post whatever. That's what social media is for. David notMD (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

url issue with Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow Jr. page

Hello, Thanks for inviting me to this page. I recently discovered that when I copy this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Wadsworth_Longfellow_Jr. into an email the "." somehow breaks the page. I put in a request to possibly rename the page from Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow Jr. --> Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow that would be nice, if it didn't cause any big problems. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 13:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Archivingperson: that is not a valid reason to rename the page, but I created Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow Jr as a redirect to Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow Jr.. The email problem is simply that when you copy a bare url your email program thinks the period is not part of the url. This depends on the program used. MKFI (talk) 14:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Note that you caused a broken link yourself in your message by using the full URL ending with the period. In Wikipedia we use a wikilink, so Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow Jr.. A redirect exists from Alexander Wadsworth Longfellow, so you can use the URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Wadsworth_Longfellow --David Biddulph (talk) 14:05, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

The Disappearance of Teresa Davidson-Murphy

I added more specific references i.e. actual news articles. Can The entry I created for the Disappearance of Teresa Davidson-Murphy be looked at again and reconsider for publishing? VoiceFor (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Courtest link: User:VoiceFor/sandbox/Disappearance of Teresa (Terry) Anne Davidson-Murphy. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@VoiceFor: There is a chance that if you submit Draft:Disappearance of Teresa Anne Davidson-Murphy it may be accepted. Your current draft is not suitable for Wikipedia though, as it does not use reliable sources and is largely unverified. ––FormalDude talk 13:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@VoiceFor: Per WP:NCRIME, “People known only in connection with one event should generally not have an article written about them. If the event is notable, then an article usually should be written about the event instead.” TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

No to what is the Sandbox draft, as it contains tremendous amounts of content that has no connection to her disappearance. It appears that FormalDude took the libery of creating a very short draft with a few references - at Draft:Disappearance of Teresa Anne Davidson-Murphy - and proposed that as an alternative. Not clear why, and also no potential to becoming an accepted article. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Quick Sandbox Question

Good evening, Hosts. I have just published my first Wikipedia article, but prior to doing so I used my Sandbox to draft the article, make edits, and so on. Now that I no longer have use for the draft article, is there a specific process/procedure I should utilize for clearing out my Sandbox?

My first inclination was simply to delete all of the text I had built in the Sandbox and then hit "Publish", but that seemed illogical since I would be telling Wiki's writing application to publish an entirely blank page.

Thank you in advance for your input and guidance.

Jeff Baker Bozeman, Montana Wikibaker (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Wikibaker (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibaker: Hello Jeff! Actually, that is the logical thing to do in this case, to blank the page and save it. YOu could also request for it to be deleted, however just blanking the page to use later would be much easier and quicker. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Blaze Wolf. Will do. (and thanks for the reminder on signing my comments) Wikibaker (talk) 15:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Good evening, Wikibaker, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Your sandbox is yours to do with as you please essentially, so you can certainly blank the page (delete all of the text and hit publish). If you want the page deleted, you can request a speedy deletion WP:G7. This will completely delete the page and its history, and you'd need to create the sandbox again if you wanted to use it in the future. ––FormalDude talk 02:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks FormalDude - I'll just delete out the content and hit Publish Changes as you suggest. I appreciate both your and Blaze Wolf's super-fast response. Wikibaker (talk) 15:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibaker: Glad I could help! It helps when you don't have much else to do except stare at your watchlist. Also, when replying to responses, please remember to add your signature by typing ~~~~ ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Portal/ Pages about leading figures of international environmental/climate movement

Is there a discussion about creating portal/pages for leading figures of international environmental/climate movement? Ballancier (talk) 13:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ballancier and welcome to the Teahouse. The general way to answer questions like this is to look at the Talk Page of an article you are sure will be already written (for example Talk:Greta Thunberg) and see which Wikipedia Projects are interested in it. So one on the environment and one on climate change are amongst the places you might like to investigate further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

New content

New content in Wikipedia Di.anamalinowska (talk) 09:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi all, can anyone review my contribution on Wikipedia? It`s about implementing new subject- Electrum, that is independent power creator, leading activity in renewable energy sources. As we are now expanding abroad (Israel, Eastern Europe), I would like others to confirm our identity though different sources on the Internet, such as Wikipedia. Will be grafetul for the feedback!  Di.anamalinowska (talk) 09:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I removed the < ! - - you had added around your question because that made the question invisible, also the ref marks bracketing the name of the company. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I see you have created article draft content in your sandbox: User:Di.anamalinowska/sandbox. I leave to other Teahouse hosts to advise on proper way to attempt an article about a company. David notMD (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

It would really help if a commentator who speaks Polish would chip in, since the majority of the independent sources seem to be in Polish.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Di.anamalinowska: Welcome to the Teahouse! To receive a review of your draft, you could move it to Draft:Electrum (company) and add {{subst:submit}} to the top. I see you uploaded the images as your "Own work". Did you design the logo and take those photographs? Are you an employee of Electrum, or have you been hired by Electrum to create an article? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

There is already an article on Polish-language Wikipedia pl:Electrum (przedsiębiorstwo) that has most of the content and the same images. It is currently being discussed for deletion there! It was created last December by Di.anamalinowska, who states she works as a copywriter/marketing specialist in renewables industry. Here on English Wikpedia the way to go is certainly via WP:AfC. It is not forbidden to create a draft (or a translation) if you have a conflict of interest but paid editing must be disclosed on your User Page and the company will need to pass our usual notability test. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

How to filter search for userbox?

How do I filter my search in the Wikipedia search box, to where it will only get results for userboxes? The Tips of Apmh 16:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh: There isn't one specific way to search userboxes since they are usually created by individual users and therefore are in userspace. There is User:UBX where a user can optionally transfer their userbox to, however not all userboxes are there. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@The Tips of Apmh: There’s a search box on Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries/alphabetical.TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

There's that as well. Although I'm fairly sure not even that has all userboxes created and being used by users (I have 2 userboxes that are the exact same as other userboxes on there but with the addition of a parameter that i found would be useful for the userbox, however I'm not adding them since I don't know if that would be allowed). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Khogong

 Courtesy link: Draft:Khogong

Are all its sources ok? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 14:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda: Apologies if this sounds a bit rude, however I think it would be best if that article were moved to draftspace. It's literally only 1 sentence with 6 or 7 references attached to it (all of which are google books refs). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda: No, they are not. Adding several copies of the same source (one source was added twice, and another source three times) is not helpful to the reader, and Raj era sources should not be used in articles on the history of India. Not to mention the fact that you had asked about some of these sources before. It is fine to ask questions, of course, but when you ask the same questions multiple times, it looks like you haven't actually read the answers you got before. I have moved the article to draftspace. --bonadea contributions talk 15:13, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Yesterday you created a similarly flimsy draft Draft:Amagarh Fort with eleven words and nine references, then asked for help here at Teahouse. This time, 21 words and eight references. Please stop. You are wasting your time and that of hosts here, and draft reviewers. If you intend to submit drafts, please write enough content that the draft at least qualifies as a Stub. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

When I look at your User page, I see a list of articles you either created or edited. Many of the ones you created are of the same nature - one sentence and several references. You bypassed AfC. Please consider returning to these and adding more content derived from the references, so those would at least be valid Stubs. Furthermore, your Talk page is littered with Speedy deletions, Proposed deletions, declined AfCs and articles that were draftified. All this confirms a need to improve draft quality. David notMD (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

There is a competence-is-required problem, examples of which are clear at Draft talk:Alan Singh wherein Karsan Chanda repeatedly drops in "Help me" without showing any progress toward understanding how Wikipedia functions. Intentions are good - creating articles about all things India - but execution has become a time sink for others. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Edit

Can you please help me more about editing I don't understand..am new to Wikipedia.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phumzza (talk • contribs) 16:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Check out WP:TWA. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Phumzza: TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Phumzza: Also check out WP:TUTORIAL RudolfRed (talk) 17:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Life sciences

What are organic compounds and inorganic compounds=........ What are molecules=...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phumzza (talk • contribs) 16:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Try reading organic compound, inorganic compound, and molecule. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Phumzza: Also, if you're asking to get help on your homework for school (based off of how you type out the questions), please figure it out on your own. While Wikipedia does try and provide reliable information, it's not made to help you cheat on your homework. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Phumzza: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're looking for help in understanding a scientific concept, you can try asking at the science reference desk, though again, it's not a place for someone to do your homework for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Sources / Citations ref first hand account and participation

I was an actual participant in an historical event listed in wikipedia. I want to edit the article but am not sure how to actually provide citiation since the source is myself. However, I do have an email from a USG agency authorizing my specific submission to wikipedia. I am seeking guidance on how best to accomplish the edit. I look forward to your reply. AmIntelAgent32 (talk) 21:08, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@AmIntelAgent32: You cannot use your personal memories to add information into an article. Any information you add will need to come from published reliable sources. See WP:V and WP:RS RudolfRed (talk) 21:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Is an email from a USG agency authorizing me such an edit not considered a "reliable source" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmIntelAgent32 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@AmIntelAgent32: Welcome to the Teahouse! A "USG agency" or any other agency cannot authorize submissions to Wikipedia. However, if you think published independent reliable sources exist (e.g. books, newspapers, magazines) you could post suggestions on the article's talk page to see if others have those sources. GoingBatty (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate the inputs from ALL.

However, I am trying to explain that my former employer with the USG had to "provide me with authorization" before I could publish an edit because I used to hold a security clearance. This is a requirement for all former employees. I have an email which verifies my participation in the event which I am trying to edit in wiki. Does this help explain what I am trying to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmIntelAgent32 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

It explains what you are wanting to do, and no, you cannot do it. Contributions by individuals based on their experiences or knowledge is considered original research, which is not allowed. Emails are not published, reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 23:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

To explain why this is, AmIntelAgent32, suppose somebody next year reads the article, and goes "That's interesting, I never knew that. But I've learnt to be cautious: let's see how Wikipedia knows", and looks for the source. It's a private email that purports to be from somebody to somebody else: even if the names are right, the reader has no way of knowing whether it's genuine. Further, suppose before that that another editor has come in and changed what you said in the article: anybody can. Perhaps they thought your wording wasn't clear, but inadvertently changed the meaning when they tidied it up; perhaps they were involved, and remember it differently from you; perhaps they saw a video about it on YouTube and that said something different; perhaps they don't like you and want to discredit you; perhaps they have come here to vandalise Wikipedia: we can't tell why they changed it. To our hypothetical reader, the changed version may look just as convincing as your original, but they have no way of determining whether or not it is right. This is why we insist on reliably published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

ACORD Edit Request Review

Hi Teahouse! As suggested by User:Spencer, reaching out here to see if another editor would be willing to look over the most recent edit request on ACORD. One of the company's products recently won an award, and would like to see if it could get added to the page. Thanks! Morrissey35 (talk) 20:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Moved from Teahouse talk page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks User:Blaze Wolf! Any other editors available to review this? Much appreciated! Morrissey35 (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Morrissey35: I have not actually checked it out. I simply moved this from the teahouse talk page. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Plagiarism redirecting article of wikipedia

Resolved

Is there an official article of plagiarism made by moderators on here? If so, can someone redirect me to that article? Thanks. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 20:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Are you looking for WP:PLAGIARISM? ––FormalDude talk 20:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

TheAlienMan2002, Wikipedia:Plagiarism, perhaps? Zoozaz1 (talk) 20:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Indeed i was…thanks! TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 20:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I am being harassed

I am being repeatedly harassed with personal attacks by Scobserv here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kumud_Das_(3rd_nomination) and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Draft%3ASanjib_Baruah. The user Scobserv just signed up today for the sole purpose to harass me. May I ask for help here? Arunudoy ^(talk) 18:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Arunudoy: Sorry you had to deal with that. The editor in question has been warned. If they continue to harass you we can report them to an administrator and have them blocked. If you feel they have posted personal information about you, per WP:OUTING, you may contact the oversight team to have the content removed from the page and its histories. ––FormalDude talk 18:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

FormalDude talk, he did again and more serious in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Draft%3ASanjib_Baruah. He is accussing me as other. --Arunudoy ^(talk) 18:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Arunudoy: I know, you mentioned that already. As I said they have been warned and if it continues they will be blocked from editing. In the meantime, if you feel they have posted personal information about you, you should contact the oversight team. ––FormalDude talk 19:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Arunudoy: I've redacted the outing and requesting it be oversighted. I'm not going to go much farther than this because I don't want to get dragged into this mess. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you FormalDude talk and Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} for your kind help. Regards- Arunudoy ^(talk) 19:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Scobserv indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 20:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Harmonic Oscillator page has a corrupt element that causes browser crash.

Hi all, I'm not sure if this is the correct place to report this, but the page for Harmonic Oscillators (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator) has a corrupt element that causes my version of google chrome (Version 97.0.4692.99 (Official Build) (64-bit)) to crash. It occurs just after I scroll past the Table of Contents. Just wanted to put this somewhere in cases someone who is technically minded wished to inspect it. OrgoOgro (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Ben

@OgroOgro: Works just fine for me.. although the page does seem to lag a bit which is unusual. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@OrgoOgro: Why does your username have to have 2 words that are so similar (nothing you did, just me) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@OrgoOrgo: Woops mixed up the g and r. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Strange, when I access that page, as soon as I scroll past the 4th equation in the section "Driven harmonic Oscillators" my entire browser freezes and becomes unresponsive. I just checked it again. Also I have no clue what I'm doing with HTML, so sorry if I mess anything up, just copying what seems like relevant formatting from your messages. Username is a combo of my old highschool nickname and the fact that I'm a chemist. Ogro is usually taken, so I think its fun to make an eyeball twister! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrgoOgro (talk • contribs)

@OrgoOgro: I would suggest asking at WP:VPT where there are people who know what they're doing. ALso that's alright. Just make sure to sign with ~~~~ when replying. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

It works fine for me to, but is a bit laggy like Blaze Wolf said. I think because the page has so many images and math equation pictures it makes you computer freeze and makes mine and Blaze’s lag. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@OrgoOgro: Welcome to the Teahouse. Like Blaze Wolf said, you might be able to find some more help at WP:VPT, but from my personal observations (also using Chrome 97.0.4692.99), I didn't notice any crashes or lag when scrolling through the page or doing some test editing. There don't seem to be too many templates used on the page (which usually explains longer loading times). Could there be some extension you've added to Chrome that may be causing these problems? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Likewise, @OrgoOgro, it's fine on Chrome on my fast desktop, but might struggle on my much slower laptop. What I do whenever Chrome plays up is do a clean reboot of my computer, as I heard somewhere that Chrome often keeps hold of computer memory allocations, even after being closed. Have you tried that and does it work for you? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Dead link removal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Eyesurgeon

I was searching for eye content related and ended up in the above link. There is a list of references on of which seem spammy / advertising. I tried to click on it to verify but it leads to a dead page. Tried to remove but was unable to do so.

Unsure how to proceed.

It's the first link in the references table. 46.177.47.2 (talk) 10:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

You appear to have pointed us to the wrong page, but for general advice on dead links, see Wikipedia:Link rot. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry posted the wrong link! This is the correct!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eyesurgeon

I was searching for eye content related and ended up in the above link. There is a list of references on of which seem spammy / advertising. I tried to click on it to verify but it leads to a dead page. Tried to remove but was unable to do so.

Unsure how to proceed.

It's the first link in the references table 46.177.47.2 (talk) 11:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Merging sections ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 11:52, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing ths matter up. This user page is very similar to -- or the same as? (I didn't check) -- the article Von Graefe knife (which itself is very unsatisfactory). A user page is no place for an article, or an article draft. I'd go ahead and delete it, if I weren't so sleepy (and therefore worried about the risk of making some mistake somewhere). Over to somebody in a different time zone. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

It also looks like that user was almost blocked in 2008. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

That user has not edited since 2008 and was clearly drafting the article on their User Page rather than in Main Space. When they realized it wasn't appearing in Google searches, they simply created the article Von Graefe knife with the (accurate) edit summary My User Eyesurgeon article does not come up through a Wikipedia Search. Perhaps the title Von Graefe Knife will result in the articles being found through Wikipedia Search and things have gone on from there. I've no idea what the policy is about deleting ancient User Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I've blanked the user page, and fixed a couple of problems in the external links section of the article (which still has major problems). -- Hoary (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources for discographies?

Is there a reliable alternative to Discogs for album personnel? Before you ask, AllMusic didn't have the information.  Sumanuil 07:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sumanuil: How about using {{cite AV media notes}} and using the album itself? GoingBatty (talk) 15:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Just a note that per WP:RSP, Discogs is considered unreliable, and AllMusic is considered reliable for reviews but marginal for biographical data. CodeTalker (talk) 18:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't know the album itself could be used as a source. But then again, you can use books, so why not other printed text? Sumanuil 22:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Want to check an organization's notability

Hi! I want to request an article for an organization. But before I do that, I want to make sure that it meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. I have gone through WP:ORG, but I still want to be sure. I have a few references that I'd like to share so that an experienced editor can go through them and check whether the organization is notable enough. Is Teahouse the right place to share such references? Toofllab (talk) 19:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

You can ask at the Teahouse yes. I also want to ask are you associated with the company? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 20:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

But, Toofllab, please don't do what some editors do, and post a great long list of references here. Choose the best three or four. If those establish notability, fine. If they don't, it's unlikely that twenty or a hundred weaker ones will do so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Kaleeb18 Yes, I am. I created a draft and tried publishing it before I was aware of such disclosures. But then I declared my COI on the draft talk and stopped editing it (Draft:Retailo). From what I understand, I need to request a relevant WikiProject to create this article, but before I do that, I want to ensure that it meets the notability requirements. Here are the references: 1, 2, 3, 4. Hope I've done what's needed. Toofllab (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid not, TGoofllab. I can't seem to open no 3, but the other three are all obviously based on press releases, saying what Retailo wants to say, not what an independent reporter says. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

This is therefore somewhat irrelevant, but you're not correct that you need to request a WikiProject to create an article: editors with a COI are permitted to create articles, as long as they declare their COI, and use AFC to put the draft through a review. --ColinFine (talk) 23:15, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Is something from Substack considered a reliable source? Anything? Nothing?

I could not find anything about Substack on here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. Can someone please let me know if something published via that platform is in fact RS material and thus qualified for use as secondary source citation in articles? https://substack.com/ ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 17:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Well that depends. Substack is simply a publishing platform that anyone can use, so it must be treated like a blog, or any other newsletter from Mailchimp, or what have you. If the author is a subject matter expert, then maybe, depending on the context. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Right, the guidelines at WP:SPS and WP:BLPSPS would apply. DanCherek (talk) 18:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Welcome to the Teahouse. Other users have chimed in on Substack's reliability above me, but there have been mentions of it in the reliable sources noticeboard, such as this discussion, which seem to agree that using it for BLP articles that aren't about the subject of said Substack is not allowed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Quick questions about Wikipedia articles

Hello, my fellow Wikipedians, I am new to Wikipedia but I am here to stay. I have a few quick questions and I want to learn them before editing or publishing pages. I have added the pages I want to edit, translate or create to my user page under the title of PIWC.

1 - ) On my first day, I have created a draft about an e-sports organization and send it for review. Today I realize that can add a few more sources (while the sources I have used are valid). I haven't heard about it yet (it's been 3 days), I wonder if I can make changes and send it for review again if it is not approved.

2 - ) There is a specific plant that grows where I live, however, most of the sources I have found are in another language. Since it's an endemic plant, it is hard to find sources in English, is it okay to use foreign sources?

3 - ) There is a service I actively use and I can find various sources about it but they are mostly blogs ("the bla bla softwares/services you should use in 2022" kind). I also find its description on other sites, and its profile on review platforms like G2 or Capterra. (I am not sure if it is okay to add business profiles on Crunchbase or LinkedIn, so I am not planning to include them). Are these sources enough for notability?

4 - ) I like to translate two articles in my native language (magazines), can I transfer their sources (not English) to the pages I create? In addition, I worked in one of these magazines as an intern before, can I still write an article about it?

5 - ) There is a local plateau where I live, I know almost every inch of it and its conditions, but I can not find sources about it. Would giving map coordinates and official data I have found be enough or should I not create the page at all.

I know I kind of dumped all my questions here, and I appreciate any support I get. Thank you all! TheWirelessMonkey (talk) 23:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheWirelessMonkey: See below:

1) You can always edit and it won't change the review, except to make it likelier that the article will be approved. You need more sources besides HLTV.org to demonstrate notability.  Courtesy link: Draft:Eternal Fire (Esports Organization)

2) You can use foreign sources.

3) Blogs are unreliable sources. Social media like LinkedIn can't be used since they are user generated. Crunchbase is divisive, but you can use Crunchbase News.

4) You can translate but just don't do it literally so you won't violate the copyright. Writing about a former company is OK.

5) Coordinates won't be enough - there needs to be some indication of why this is a significant place. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, TheWirelessMonkey, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

1. - you can certainly continue to work on a draft after submitting it for review: you haven't "sent" it anywhere - you've put it on a list of drafts awaiting review.
2. - English language sources are preferred if they are available, but if not, other language sources are acceptable, provided they are reliably published. See WP:NONENG.
3. Most blogs are not acceptable as sources. see WP:RS.
4. Yes, provided the sources are reliable. See WP:translation. If you worked at one of the magazines, you probably have a conflict of interest: this does not bar you from writing or tranlasting the article, as long as you are open about your COI.
5. Probably not. Inhabited places are normally taken as notable by default, but other geographical features need sourcing.

Happy editing. --ColinFine (talk) 23:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

In fact, TheWirelessMonkey, you'd better work on your draft , as there is little chance it will be accepted as it stands. Two of your sources are not reliable (a wiki, and twitter) and the other ones look to me as if they are based on press releases, and hence not independent. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You have given no reason to think that the company meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Suggested Article: "Lists of Support Groups"

It's been a decade since I edited Wikipedia. --- I was the progenitor (Simesa) of what eventually turned into "Lists of Tourist Attractions", and a few other articles.

--- Today I was in Quora, and would like to suggest an article "Lists of Support Groups".

---

For the U.S., start with the lists at https://www.mhanational.org/find-support-groups 2601:8A:C180:70:F575:D259:BCDB:65F1 (talk) 21:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

IP, if you actually are Simesa, why are you not logged in? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Play fair - that was a bit sharp, wasn't it? Could you remember a password after 13 year's of inactivity? I certainly couldn't!

@ former Simesa - Thank you for your suggestion. I'm not sure that would be that helpful. Not all the key support groups would necessarily be notable, and thus wouldn't be eligible to be on such a list. But if we had such a page it might be interpreted as being a helpful directory listing, yet miss lots of groups off. That could be damaging to some users. But it is an interesting point to consider, and there could be other ways of looking at it, of course. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I probably could but that's probably because I use the same password for everything with some variations Apologies I was merely asking out of curiousity. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, I must correct you on how long it's been since they last edited Wikipedia. They've been inactive for about 7 1/2 years (that's how long it's been since their latest contribution). Still, that's a long time to be gone and a reasonable amount of time to forget a password. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf You're quite right on that one - I'm having real display problems on Chrome on one particular laptop this week - it keeps missing chunks off the page. As a result, I'd not noticed I was looking at one particular page history, rather than their full contributions. Sorry. (It's like editing through a letterbox right now!) Nick Moyes (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

For "lists of support groups", who is going to keep this up to date in the coming months and years? An article like this can easily become stale. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 00:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Asking something about Pandaily

Is Pandaily notable enough to write an article on Wikipedia? Enolajy (talk) 06:54, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Enolajy From Pandaily's own website: "Pandaily is a Beijing-based media company. Equipped with a deep understanding of China’s technology landscape and the unicorns that drive its innovation, our mission is to deliver premium content with contextual insights on Chinese technology, business, sports and culture to the worldwide community."

Looks to be a newsfeed accumulator. Wikipedia's guideline for corporations is at WP:NCORP. Essential to have several reliable-source references about Pandaily, or else don't bother to try, as would just be wasting your and Reviewer's time. David notMD (talk) 09:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enolajy (talk • contribs) 01:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

"From Pandaily's own....to the worldwide community" in the first paragraph is what I typed in my sandbox as practice. Is it be added by Wikipedia? Once, I tried to search "Pandaily" in the search bar and those content was presented to me.However, when I open a new page of Wikipedia, there was no search result. Does anyone know what happened? Need I delete the content and how can I delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enolajy (talk • contribs) 02:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Appears you succeeded in turning your Sandbox content into a draft, submitting that to AfC, and having it Declined. The Reviewer gave reasons. David notMD (talk) 03:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I can’t edit

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T223195

I can’t edit because nofollow is applied 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:5936:EB92:3BC2:45E8 (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey there. Can you elaborate? You have lots of edits in your edit history, and you edited here, so I am a bit confused. In theory nofollow should not affect a user of the website in the slightest, it only affects search engines. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Novem Linguae, Every time I post a question, I always this message, “Your edit add new external links” even though I didn’t add any external links. 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:5936:EB92:3BC2:45E8 (talk) 02:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Strange. Edit filter or spam blacklist comes to mind. I don't see anything in the edit filter log though. Maybe post a screenshot on imgur or something and link it here? –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: There's an odd bug where, if certain types of invalid links are already on a page, then any edit from a non-autoconfirmed editor will trigger a CAPTCHA. That should only affect a few pages, though. 2603, can you tell us which page(s) you are getting this message on? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 03:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Found it! It's this page. Suffusion of Yellow alt 7 (talk) 03:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Fixed with Special:Diff/1068560272. Suffusion of Yellow alt 7 (talk) 03:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

2603, you should no longer be incorrectly told that you're adding external links to this page. If you have any problems on any other page, let us know. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 03:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Impressive detective work. Great job and we appreciate your help. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Time (Five album) Draft

 Courtesy link: Draft:Time (Five album)

I'd found someone created and submitted this page, but it got rejected twice so I've added more to it and another source or two. What exactly is wrong with it to begin with? Could someone look at this and perhaps submit it if it's ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:331F:C301:9CBA:EE97:36E9:B748 (talk) 13:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

The reason it got declined is because the articles sources were not reliable therefore not passing the nobility guideline for music. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Well how about now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:331F:C301:9CBA:EE97:36E9:B748 (talk) 14:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

The groups previous albums are all subjects of articles, which is a good sign. Given that Time was just released in January 2022, perhaps wait a bit before resubmitting. What music critics write about it could become references. By the way, it was Declined, not Rejected, which is more severe. David notMD (talk) 16:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Also according to WP:RSP The Sun UK is a depreciated sources, the apple inc reference is not reliable, and I am unsure about the reliablity of Retro Pop Magazine. This could be a case of WP:TOOSOON as like David notMD said it was just released in January. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

How About now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:331F:C301:7966:9556:C7BE:69AD (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Can someone either approve or decline so it can be resubmitted at a later date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:331F:C301:7966:9556:C7BE:69AD (talk) 04:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Redirect creation

Can someone create a redirect of Guddu Pandit to Bhagwan Sharma? Sources: [3][4] 122.170.166.214 (talk) 17:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse, I suggest you to visit Wikipedia:Redirect. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 18:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

You can learn there how to redirect. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

IPs are not able to create article or redirect. 122.170.166.214 (talk) 18:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I would do it for you however I don't know if those sources are reliable or not (They aren't listed at WP:RSP which helps me in determining a source's reliability). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:36, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done WP:RSP is not an exhaustive list and unless we have some reason to believe they are not reliable it's ok to go through with items like this. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Mcmatter: Alright that's good to know. I usually don't like doing stuff that would require sourcing unless I know for sure the sources are reliable. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:47, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! 122.170.166.214 (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Mcmatter Can you also create an Indian sword for me and redirect it to Indian martial arts? I want to create an article there just like there is Korean sword and Japanese sword. 122.170.166.214 (talk) 10:28, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

For that I would recommend using the WP:AFC process.McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 13:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Mcmatter I created Draft:Indian sword. Can you approve it? 122.170.166.214 (talk) 07:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Stefano Cabrera notability

Hi everyone, I'm a composer and cellist and I'd like to create a Wiki page about my work. The topic would be "Stefano Cabrera". Since I know one of the main goals for Wiki is to have reliable sources and to only approve notable topics, and it's not easy for me to find out if I meet the required criteria, I'm here to ask for your kind help. My name is already on other Wiki pages (Hotel Portofino TV series, GnuQuartet). I'm also a YouTuber, known as GnuS Cello, if that can help. Many thanks for your help! Stefanocabrera (talk) 09:22, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Stefanocabrera. There are couple of things that you probably need to understand before trying to puruse this further, but a good place to start would be to realize that a Wikipedia article is not a "bio page" like you might find on social media or a personal website. A Wikipedia article is basically going to be based on what others (i.e. reliable sources as defined by Wikipedia) have been saying or reporting about you and your various achievements, and not on what you want or think others should know about you. You will not have any type of final editorial control over what's in the article or prevent others from editing the article. It's quite possible that content will start appearing in the article that you might not approve of or that the article may not be focusing on the things you want it to focus on. So, before you try and puruse this any further I strongly suggest that you carefully read through the following pages: Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Notability (music), Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (particularly this and this), Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (particularly this), Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and Wikipedia:Ownership of content. That probably seems like quite a lot to read up on, but those pages contain some basic information which I think you'll find helpful. You basically are going to need to self-assess not only whether an article about you (please note it will be "written about you" and not "written for you") can be written by you or anyone for that matter, but also whether you actually want to have an article written about you since basically you'll have zero control over it. For reference, your permission isn't really needed for someone else to try and write such an article, and most articles seem to be written without any such consent. The fact that you're trying to create one yourself might cause some to question your motivation for doing so and whether you think Wikipedia is something it really isn't. What you want to do is not impossible, but it's likely going to be very hard. It might be better for you to continue doing the things you've been doing out in the real world and gaining notice in reliable sources, and then let someone else try and create an article about you. Sometimes people create articles about themselves only to end up trying to get them deleted after finding out that Wikipedia doesn't work exactly the way they thought it did. Finally, one last thing that you also might want to look at is this. It's OK to use your real name as your Wikipedia username if you want, but there's no way for others to know who you are for sure and there may be real world implications that aren't evident at first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Stefanocabrera (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages". The special Wikipedia definition of a notable composer is at WP:COMPOSER and that of a notable musician is at WP:BAND. You must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources in order to merit an article. Please be advised that autobiographical articles, while not forbidden, are highly discouraged, in part because people naturally write favorably about themselves. Please read WP:AUTO. Articles are typically written by independent editors without any connection to the subject.

Please be advised that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Autotranslate

Auto translate template {{Autotranslate}} exists in Wikimedia Commons but for some stupid reason an administrator blocked it from being created on Wikipedia even though we need that template for the Wikipedia copy of Template:TOO-US, a template also originating from Commons. Alex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Alex Mitchell of The Goodies: D they're consensus to create it, you can place a request at Wikipedia:RfPP. ― Qwerfjkltalk 09:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Indonesian capital (please edit it)

Indonesians from Jakarta are now moving to a new capital, it's called "Nusaranta", and it's a new capital for now. So please edit it. Gio loto (talk) 10:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

First, this is probably not the right venue for it (you should instead go to the talk page of the article itself), but second, this new capital has only been proposed; we should wait until the change of capital is official. —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 10:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Gio loto, and welcome to the Teahouse. As per my knowledge (and reliable sources), Nusaranta is the proposed capital of Indonesia. The current one remains Jakarta. If it is not so, please provide a reliable source. For more fact-related questions, the best place to ask would be Wikipedia:Reference desk or the article talk page. Thank you, and happy editing! Kpddg ^(talk) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Need justice in mentally harassed with false allegations by user Onel5969

User Onel5969 is repeatedly harassing me here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Draft:Sanjib_Baruah with false allegation of UPE/COI. Though I have declared, the user is taking advantage of his/her being seniority Is this Wikipedia about, where senior harrases juniors? I do appeal for justice. Unless I get justice, I will refrain from any Wiki edit for an indefinite period as of now. Arunudoy ^(talk) 09:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Arunudoy: Since whether there's a COI is already being discussed at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Draft:Sanjib Baruah, then that's probably where it will need to be resolved. The Teahouse isn't really set up to resolve such issues and bringing this up here (even with the best of intentions) will most likely only lead to confusion due to a splitting of the discussion. As for claims of harrassment, you're probably better off bring that up for discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents since that's where concerns about editor behavior are best discussed. Before you do so, however, you might want to take a look at this, this and this. Please understand that I'm not judging you or your claims. I'm just trying to point out that the Teahouse may not be the best place for you to seek assistance with respect to something like this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:13, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: What is going there except @Onel5969:'s false allegation? --Arunudoy ^(talk) 10:22, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Once again, the Teahouse is not really the best venue to discuss editor behavior (particularly serious claims such as this) other than perhaps to give some general guidance. Please read the pages I linked to above. If you feel that administrator action is truly needed, then the best venue for you to seek such assistance would be at WP:ANI. Please understand, though, that adminstrator noticeboards are not places where anything goes; you will be expected to justify not only your claims against this other editor, but may also be asked to justify your actions as well. That is why I suggested that you look at WP:ANI advice before starting a discussion at ANI, paricularly if you've never participated in such a discussion before. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Ottalie Mark - Question about Orphan Warning

Hi. I noticed an "Orphan" warning the page about Ottalie Mark, so I introduced links to it from other pages. I noticed something strange when I clicked the "Find link tool" link in the warning. It links to a page outside Wikipedia, to a site called Edwardbetts.com - if I click the link I get a browser warning that says "Your connection is not private". It doesn't affect my ability to link from other Wiki articles, but I thought it was strange. Any advice would be appreciated! Chromalox (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Chromalox: WP:FINDLINK is a tool created by Edward hosted on his personal website. I don't know why your browser is saying that the connection isn't private; it looks fine on my end. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 16:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Why is Binksternet keeping a close eye on me?

I made two edits. One on Jane Fonda and one on Ingrid Bergman, they were talking about bankability and personally I think I provided reliable sources for their bankability, I don't know why he keeps having a close eye on me but it's creeping me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahyanmovielover (talk • contribs) 14:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ahyanmovielover: Binksternet isn't stalking you. Your contributions are publicly recorded, and as he explained to you when you asked, editors really do check the contributions page to see if edits on other pages are problematic (which in this case is true). By the way, he's giving you good advice. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 16:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Need to Unblock our IP-Address 182.72.191.18

Hello Wikipedia. We need to upgrade our Information about Vasanth & Co .Our Information is Totally Incorrect now,so we can edit the Wikipedia Page and uploaded Correct Information & Content but its not updated and then our mail account has been blocked. So Kindly retrieve the Account .We are Provide the Correct Information About our organization. We Wont insert information regarding offers, Promotions, marketing related, Sales or Unwanted Content. Once we upload the Correct Information Now but it will be retrieve again, after that Account has been Blocked IP-Address 182.72.191.18 . Please do the needful for our Works. Wikipedia page is must needed in our side. Kindly unblock our Wikipedia page .Thank you. 2409:4072:6E88:5021:212B:9727:4AAD:7EE0 (talk) 10:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)  Courtesy link: Vasanth & Co

This is not going to happen. Two things:

• If you are the same person as Kanmani Ravi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) or Sharukh Sadiq (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) or @Vasanthandco Vasanthandco: or are blocked under any account, stop. Blocks apply per person, not per acocunt, so until your account(s) get unblocked, you are not allowed to edit the Engish Wikipedia. Period. If you can't remember the password of the account, you may reset it (make sure to check your spam folder)
• If you are not currently blocked under any account, you may propose reliably sourced, neutrally-worded changes you want to make to Vasanth & Co ‎ , do so at the article talkpage, using the edit request mechanism. You will have to need to comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID along the way. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The first thing you probably need to do is carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure to become more familiar with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines with respect to this type of thing. The account you mentioned above (User:182.72.191.18) doesn't appear to have ever been blocked, but the article Vasanth & Co has been protected because of disruption due to persistent sockpuppetry which means it can only be edited by certain types of accounts. If there's information in the article that you feel is inaccurate or otherwise needs to be changed, the thing for you to do would be to make edit requests on the article's talk page as explained here. Other editors unconnected to the company will assess your request in terms of relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and then make changes if they're OK to make. The thing that you don't want to do is continue to try and directly edit the article yourself once the protection of the page has expired because that's likely only going to lead to the article being re-protected for an even longer period of time. Seeking assistance from others on the article talk page and being as transparent as possible about your connection to the company is your best course of action in my opinion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

That article is encyclopaedic enough. We won't allow owners of companies to promote themselves here. You have repeatedly tried to insert rubbish such as "Vasanth & Co has been in the news all the time for creating new records in turnover and promotion, and also for breaking its own record to reach newer heights time and again." I suggest you stop trying to add anything, and leave it to others who have no direct interest in the company to make changes. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

What citation format do references need to be in?

Title. E.g MLA, APA, etc. InterstateFive (talk) - just another roadgeek 21:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi! read Help:referencing for beginners. Hope that helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 22:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: You may also be interested in WP:CITESTYLE and other stuff on that page. An important point is that if you're working on an existing article, you should follow the style already established in that article. Deor (talk) 22:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Image

Resolved

Link to image without the image showing

How can I link to an image without the image showing? Alex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 22:38, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Alex Mitchell of The Goodies. Normally, you enclose the file name in double square brackets to display the image. To instead display a clickable file name without the image, add a colon after the opening pair of square brackets, like this "[[:". Cullen328 (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

ThanksAlex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

My Edits Are Problematic?

I've made a few edits, but I have been told they are "problematic" and they don't even explain why. Can someone tell me what I have edited that was so "problematic"? Someone said I have extremist views, I mean what is so extremist that I've done? Sorry I don't want to seem problematic, but I am really confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahyanmovielover (talk • contribs) 18:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey, it is me again. So someone said that http://www.garboforever.com/ is not a reliable source, so please let me know? By the way I am new at editing Wikipedia, which is why I am inexperienced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahyanmovielover (talk • contribs) 18:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ahyanmovielover; I've combined your two questions into one section for ease of response. Other editors have explained to you why your edits are problematic: because they were not backed up by reliable sources, and in some instances because your wording choice was poor (as Binksternet said here).

The message left on your talk page said please do not use unreliable sources such as ... publications with a poor reputation for ... expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist. It is a template message that provides examples of some kinds of sources that are not allowed on Wikipedia; it is not insinuating that you have extremist views or that you used sources that do. This message, and the one before it, was simply asking you to make sure that your edits are backed up by reliable sources. Please read the page I just linked for information on what a reliable source is; it should become clear to you why garboforever.com is not a reliable source.

It is okay that you are new to Wikipedia and inexperienced! We've all been there. You are simply asked to familiarize yourself with some Wikipedia policies so that you make edits that improve the encyclopedia rather than detracting from it. (You may also find it useful to check out The Wikipedia Adventure and/or Referencing for beginners.) Aerin17 (t • c) 19:13, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ahyanmovielover It looks like no-one has directly answered your question, and it's great that you asked it so that you can learn and understand from the answers we give. In doing so, it will also require you to read through the pages you're linked to in our answers. So, may I recommend you look through WP:RELIABLE SOURCES, as this should help you answer the question for yourself. But, in essence, any website or vanity publication that is produced by a single person, or which can be edited by absolutely anyone (including Wikipedia itself!) is never regarded as 'Reliable', and must not be used as a citation.

http://www.garboforever.com/ is clearly one such example. it's great that it's out there for people to read and judge its content for themselves, but we do not consider it reliable as it's a fan site with no editorial control. Properly published books and journals with an editorial panel, or MSM (mainstream media) can be used - though not opinion columns within them.

It's best to consider that Wikipedia as an encyclopaedia that collates factual information from only these reliable sources and puts them together for people to view, edit and improve upon. They can follow the references to those sources of information, and would be disappointed to discover some kid in a bedroom had written one of them and that we'd not bothered to check. That's not to say such sources may not be correct - it's just that to ensure accuracy across our 6.4milion+ articles, we rapidly remove inappropriate (unreliable) sources such as the one you linked to as there is far too much misinformation and poor quality information out there that we need to ensure as little of it as possible gets in here.

I hope that helps, and feel free to ask any further questions. It can be hard to understand everything that's involved in this huge project at first - see it as like driving a car for the first time, and drive on slowly and learn from the roadsigns and what other road users offer in the way of advice, and you should be fine. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your replies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahyanmovielover (talk • contribs) 22:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ahyanmovielover, hello and welcome! By the way, do you see how other editors' replies to you have their name and a time stamp after them? You can do this too by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your posts. -- asilvering (talk) 23:10, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Free Improvisation

Hello there. I want to add my third book, about the London Musicians Collective, to the references at the bottom of the Wiki Free Improvisation page. How do I do this? Nathan Barre (talk) 13:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Nathan Barre Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You should make an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, Talk:Free improvisation. You should also read about conflict of interest. It is going to appear to others that you just want to promote your book; you will need to describe how your addition will benefit the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 14:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nathan Barre: Hi there! You're welcome to use the Wikipedia:Help desk or this Teahouse to ask questions about Wikipedia, but please don't ask the same question at both places. Your question was already answered at Wikipedia:Help desk#Could you please add my book onto the London Musicians Collective reference in to this Wiki entry. It is titled "The London Musicians Collective: An Obstinate Clot of Invention" by Trevor Barre. Limbic Books ISBN number 978-1-5272-6857-9. Thankk you.e. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Advice on dealing with possible copy-pasted section

The Professional career section on Paul Dekker's article seems largely copy-pasted. I outlined my reasoning in the article's talk page and added the Copypaste template to the section.

My question is: what else should/can I do about this? I've been fine making smaller edits to pages, but this seems like it requires a more thorough rewrite, which I honestly don't want to commit to doing. As such, is there a group/committee I can bring this up with? I'm new to editing Wikipedia, and thus don't know a lot about protocol.

Thanks, Lkb335 (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Lkb335: Welcome to the Teahouse! What you did is fine. I'm glad you have already received a response at Talk:Paul Dekker. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, @Lkb335! You've already brought this article to the attention of editors who are working on possible copyright violation by tagging the article the way you did. That's added it to a maintenance category, Category:Copied and pasted articles and sections with url provided. Editors go through categories like these periodically to fix problems. (If you want to make these visible to yourself as you navigate wikipedia, go to Preferences --> Appearance --> Advanced options --> check "show hidden categories".)

If you think a problem with an article is particularly urgent, or you need other eyes on it for some other reason, you might go to the talk page of a relevant wikiproject (there should be a list of them tagged on the talk page of the article) and make a new post there to bring it to relevant editors' attention; but not all wikiprojects are as active as others. If you think a problem is particularly dire, WP:CP has links and instructions for you. The appropriate action is sometimes "(ask an admin to) burn it with fire". -- asilvering (talk) 23:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses, both of you! Lkb335 (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

How many citations are needed

Hi, I'm AdjectiveGuy. How many citations are needed to create an article? 203.189.116.198 (talk) 18:10, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. That's a very difficult question to answer, because it depends very much on the context. Citing one really good, detailed book might suffice in some circumstances (or even a short scientific publication for inherently notable things like species) or one for a geographic feature. By contrast, 3 good independent, reliable and in-depth sources would be needed for any corporation or business article at a minimum. So I suggest you work to three good sources. Mere mentions and personal websites or insider blogs and press releases etc do not count at all. What is the topic? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, it completely depends on the size of the article. For Example, I would expect to see around 2 or 3 citations on a 3 or so paragraph article, but on a multi section 1000+ line article I would expect to see more like 50 or so. When you submit your article the AfC reviewers can help you with citations, generally, if you are planning on making a small article (around 3-4 paragraphs) I would put around 5 or so citations in. Thanks, Zippybonzo (talk) 18:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

The number of citations isn't what's important, as long as there are enough to establish that the subject of the article is notable. Every claim in an article should be supported by a reliable source (and while the policy doesn't require that every statement have a citation, reviewers do tend to expect that) which is why NickZippy suggested that the longer the article, the more citations would be appropriate. But a mistake that inexperienced editors often make is to put too many citations in, creating a great long list of (mostly) low-quality sources. It is rarely necessary to add more than one citation to a single sentence, and citations that don't mention the subject are rarely appropriate at all. --ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Pinging AdjectiveGuy} --ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo, you are giving an editor an answer/advice that isn’t policy based, and simultaneously you are inadvertently teaching them to WP:REFBOMB. please do not do so again moving forward Celestina007 (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

The bottom line is that the quality of the references (citations) is much more important than the quantity, and you should never add poor quality references just to pad the number. Far better to have three or four excellent references that discuss the topic in depth than 25 passing mentions or blog posts. Cullen328 (talk) 00:24, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

What about creating an article of Tharshan Thiyagarajah who is an upcoming actor of Cinema of South India.

What about creating an article of Tharshan Thiyagarajah who is an upcoming actor of Cinema of South India.

Hello,
Can I create an article of Tharshan Thiyagarajah who is upcoming actor of Cinema of South India, where else he is been acting for some new upcoming movies of Tamil (Kollywood) industry (Koogle Kuttappa,etc-TBA) . Although if there are any guildline to be followed or if can give a support to create the article I would appreciate. Still there are more information of his biography and pleasure if you'll guild me to publish the article.
I hope you'll will give me a fair reply for my request 🙂.

etc. Thank you.-- TFE^Talk..! 14:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, fazran fayad, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have collapsed that long list of sources, as it's unlikely anybody here on the Teahouse is going to be willing to plough through them. In order to be worth writing an article about Thiyagarajah, you need to be confident that he will meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. It is quite possible that the list of sources you've found will establish notability: but if so, then three or four of them will be enough to do so. If you choose the best three or four and post just those, then I and others will be more willing to look at them and advise you. By "best", I mean three things: 1) they are reliably published - by organisations with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking; 2) they are independent - written and published by people with no connection to Thiyagarajah, and not based on press releases or interviews; and 3) they have significant coverage of him, not just passing mentions in an article abvout something else.

Finding the solid sources (as opposed to dozens of worthless sources) is your first task. Then, please read your first article for how to proceed. Be aware that creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks for inexperienced editors, and if you try it before you have learnt how Wikipedia works, you are likely to have a frustrating time. --ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Alrighty this took a little, Yes to the Indian Express, (leaning yes) India Today, Cinema Express, Times of India, and maybe The Hans India. The rest and Imbd, Youtube, and the social media accounts are a no. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 22:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine (talk), yeah I'll take time to create it after being free with noting the ref. which was sent by you. Thank you for the fast reply to clear my doubt.-- TFE^Talk..! 14:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb, there are some https websites also and those are not promotional or those are not paid articles as to my knowledge.. So y can't we use them? likely newsbugz, behindtalkies, scooptimes, filmibeat, cinemaexpress and if it is possible y still his personal social media accounts like instagram, facebook, twitter are not allowed? as sources. I think these needed yes, incase still those haven't built any impact to the cinema field. I hope there would be a fair reply from you. -- TFE^Talk..! 14:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

fazran fayad, please read WP:RS again. It makes no difference whether a resource is https:, http:, published on paper, or carved in stone: the format is not important. What matters is whether it has been published by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. Not being paid or commercial is important for establishing independence, but it is not the only criterion for that. As for social media: official accounts of the subject or their employers may be acceptable for supporting uncontroversial factual information: see WP:SPS; but they never contribute to notability. --ColinFine (talk) 00:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Fazran fayad: I suggest you also read WP:ELP. I hope that helps clear some things up for you! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey,ColinFine (talk) and Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb, Thank you for guiding me with some important facts which I had never read it in this place, Like WP:RS, independence, WP:SPS, WP:ELP. I hope you had given me more important articles as wiki helps to me after the long discussion. Thank you. -- TFE^Talk..! 14:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Is this a Wordpress site? Russian aristocratic family

This site [5] supposedly from/about an 19th early 20th century aristocratic Russian family, has info about an Ethiopian Tekle Hawariat Tekle Mariyam that the family adopted. It contains more in depth info about his time in Russia than in any other sources that i have seen, but the question is whether the source is reliable?  Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey Dawit S Gondaria I remember running into you before. From what I can tell it does not look like a reliable source, but if you would like to question the sources reliability you can do so at WP:RSN. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Kaleeb18: yeah i remember you as well, thanks for the swift response, i'll try the board. Happy editing Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Happy editing to you too. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There a way to get editing right

Do I want to find out for real to edit something right? Erik Stone (talk) 18:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean finding articles to edit? or, you need help with editing? For the former, see WP:Task center. For the later, see WP:Tutorial. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 19:02, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Radiodjerikstonehvny, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m interpreting your question as “how can I edit better” if I’m wrong, do let me know, but if I’m correct then you may take a look at WP:TUTORIAL, WP:CTW, WP:HI & WP:I. Having said, I do a thing where I give a “standard correct answer” but give my own advice, to learn how to edit better asides reading the aforementioned, you’d find that real learning is done by watching others edit. You may also choose to bookmark this page and go through the questions and see the answers proffered. Lastly please see WP:CUSTOMSIG/P and change your signature accordingly. Celestina007 (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Why are you signing as "Erik Stone" and asking a simple question in incorrect English while your Talk page and contributions show Radiojerikstonehvny as having been a Wikipedia editor since 2016, with more than 500 edits to your credit? David notMD (talk) 02:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Makonnen Wolde Mikael

Can someone revert the last edit made by the IP, i already reverted twice, gave IP last warning on his talkpage, tried to engage on article talkpage User talk:2A02:6680:113B:11A4:458:FF36:DBA1:193F IP appears not to know how to cite sources properly, and it may not be deliberate vandalism. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: I have reverted the their edits and have reported them to the admins seeing that they are not listing to the warnings and have continued to vandalize, ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete Brawl Stars#Seasons

Hello. I'm 애국심 존중. I Have Question. I Think Brawl Stars#Season Is Violated Many Wikipedia's Policy.

1. WP:NOTGUIDE
2. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is Not
3. WP:VGSCOPE

But When I Editing Talk:Brawl Stars No one Reads. Please See Talk:Brawl Stars. Thank you. 💻HACKER (talk) 23:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 애국심 존중. I tend to agree with you, and have deleted the table of trivia. You could have been 'Been Bold' and done it yourself after not getting any reply for a week. But always be prepared to discuss and reason your actions with other editors. I have reformatted your question as it helps to be a bit less spread out over the page and makes your post more readable. I hope you don't mind. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for Nick Moyes. --💻HACKER (talk) 03:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

What happens if I make edits as an IP?

I made a few edits using the IP address 73.15.88.36. I tried to make constructive edits.

The WP:SOCK page says that one form of sockpuppetry is "logging out to make problematic edits as an IP address." I don't think my edits were problematic.

Will I get banned for sockpuppetry? I.hate.spam.mail.here (This is YOUR page) (talk | Contributions) 04:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Like WP:SOCK says as long as you were not “misusing” multiple accounts you should be fine and from what I can tell from your IP’s edit history you have not misused multiple accounts. Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 04:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here: Accidents can happen - it's OK. As long as your intent wasn't to be "problematic" (e.g. vandalism, pretending to be multiple people in one conversation, incivility), you'll be fine. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

In a biographical article, how do you create a profile/personal information section for the subject (see attached link)?

Arthur Blackburn's profile is situated on the top right of his wiki page ShreyK123 (talk) 05:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@ShreyK123: Welcome to the Teahouse! That's called an "infobox". For Draft:Wilfrid Oswald Jose, see the documentation at Template:Infobox military person. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

About the starring of film

In the end credits of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Felicity Jones is starring, but she is not on billing block of poster. Which one should we follow? It's a film, why lots of article is following billing block of poster? Sa Young Sun (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sa Young Sun: We only follow the billing block. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:04, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Does it have any guidelines? --Sa Young Sun (talk) 05:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sa Young Sun: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Template:Infobox_film#Parameters for the infobox guidelines, and WP:FILMCAST for the guidelines about the "Cast" section of an article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

A little help please? Notability of politicians

If a politician is one of two primary politicians for US Congress in 2022. who has had articles written about him with all large state papers in past elections, does that make this candidate notable?

What policy can I look up about this? Thank you so much in advance. Quiet2 (talk) 03:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, see WP:POLITICIAN. Hope this helps. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Quiet2. There are exceptions to every rule, but in general, an unelected candidate for political office should be covered along with the other candidates in a neutral article about the electoral campaign instead of in a freestanding biographical article. If the candidate was already notable as an actor, athlete, attorney, artist or author, presumably a Wikipedia biography would already exist. Cullen328 (talk) 06:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Lucknow Super Giants

This article is fan POV and vandalised by some editors or you say good faith editors. @Blue Square Thing: last day reverted their few edits but they're persistently doing these kind of edits for ex. The official website mentioned there, it do not look genuine, It is fan made, It have grammatical problemls like, India is written as india. It shows that it is not real website, It don't mention about Indian premier league. The article is too early to be made, the team doesn't have full 11 member squad, It'll form after mega auction. Make this page semi-protected.Success think (talk) 06:01, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Success think (talk) 06:01, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Success think. Please take this matter to Requests for page protection for action by experts. Cullen328 (talk) 06:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There is a user uploading a crap ton of copyrighted youtube screenshots named User:Mateus lima lima, he is spamming copyrighted content and needs to be banned before he uploads a lot more

Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 00:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 00:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey im just pointing this out but I clicked on Lallint user page and somehow adam sandler's (i think) head pops up on my screen. A sockpuppet in the past named Vladimir Boys had that same thing happen on his userpage ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:56, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

That's actually Jimbo Wales, co-creator of wikipedia and no im not a sockpuppet

...

I think? Lallint⟫⟫⟫Talk 00:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

hmm, well I just thought that its very weird a random head just pops out of nowhere lol. But it looks like the people over at Wikimedia Commons are already handling the situation. Also I think you should say this at the Commons Village pump and not the Teahouse as at commons they can help you more. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for raising this, Lallint. The junk files have been deleted, and the perp has been given a two-week vacation from Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 07:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

When changing our Username, do certain "Traditional" language scripts were prohibited ?

Greetings, as we know, in English wikipedia, we can change our username with scripts other than Latin characters, in which case we can use 漢字, Cyrillic or even arabic. Even if we didn't contributes to the Wikipedia of the mentioned. But can we, for example, use scripts that were not "common" as a username, for example the Mongolian Bičig Script E.g (ᠷᠬᠢᠸᠠᠷᠤᠨᠣᠲ᠋ᠣᠺᠠᠶᠢᠨ), Manchu, or Tibetan Script... since there are some articles in Wikipedia that were translated into these scripts. So i want to know whether it is possible to use these scripts as a username in En.Wikipedia as per WP:NONLATIN ..... 東霄長熊 (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure of the answer, sorry. But if you're trying to be clever by using characters that are not part of your actual username (which they clearly aren't), my observations would be that you should not mind it when people don't ping you. The effort of working out who you are isn't justified, and I find it quite irritating. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

New topics

Hi,

I'm interested to know if we can add new topics - like upcoming books, movies, business ideas, startups, new technology.y Crystalfutureview (talk) 19:03, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Can you specify your question a little bit better? If you are saying can we make article on something like an upcoming movie the answer is yes, but it must pass the notability guideline and be backed with independent reliable sources. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Crystalfutureview: ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Sure! Thank you!

Hello, Crystalfutureview, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Yes, anybody may create a new encyclopaedia article for Wikipedia. But, this is much more difficult than it looks, and new editors who try it before they have understood how Wikipedia works often have a frustrating and disappointing experience. Much of the difficulty is in knowing how to find and evaluate suitable reliable sources: if a proposed article does not have adequate sourcing, then it will not be accepted (and "adequate" refers more to the quality of the sources than to their number). In particular, there is rarely enough material published about "upcoming" items, of whatever kind, to make a Wikipedia article possible: see WP:TOOSOON.:One more angle on this: I remember when I started editing Wikipedia fifteen years ago, and I desperately wanted to find a new topic to include. In fact, I have created no more than about a dozen articles in all those years, and I am now convinced that in most cases editors can add much more value to Wikipedia than by improving existing poor articles than by writing new poor articles. --ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@ColinFine:: Got it. Thank you!

Blaze Wolf

@Crystalfutureview: Also just so you know, you saying "we" implies that his is a shared account. I'm assuming good faith that this is not a shared account. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf:This is not a shared account. I meant the new users/editors that are signed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crystalfutureview (talk • contribs) 12:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

The BeBop Channel Draft

Declining to list this company after it has gone public seems capricious and silly. A credible source of the company’s credentials is FINRA itself who clears the company for trading. 2603:7000:BE00:8BAE:F576:6AB2:8CB8:B5EF (talk) 12:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Also

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. It is not a place where mere existence merits inclusion, and not a place to merely tell about something. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, for companies that is written at WP:ORG. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article, it depends on significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 13:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft:The BeBop Channel, Declined four times. David notMD (talk) 13:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Draft

Hi, I made a draft, Draft:MaiaSpace. It was declined, so i would like some feedback on how I can improve it. Thanks in advance! StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 17:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

StarshipSLS Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The most important thing you can do is gather independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the company; you have only two press release/announcement type sources, which does not establish notability. I see that this company is a subsidiary; it could be that it would not merit a standalone article, but instead merit inclusion on the article about the larger company. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@331dot Thanks for the feedback! Can I put my draft on hold and come back to it after the company becomes more notable? StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 17:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

StarshipSLS You may; be aware that if no edits are made in 6 months, it will be marked for deletion as an inactive draft. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@331dot: Thanks for your help! StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 17:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Can former vandals contribute?

I used to vandalize pages using IPs. Now I regret it and want to help. Is it okay? My IPs have been blocked several times. Qslcard (talk) 06:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Qslcard Welcome to the Teahouse. We have had at least one former vandal return, apologise, and move on to be a great contributor here, and become a really helpful Teahouse host. People change and grow up, so when we block someone 'indefinitely' it means for an undefined period, not forever and a day. Honesty and openness is the best policy here, as in real life, so to help us help you, please tell us roughly how long ago this was, and one or two of the names of articles you remember vandalising. Assuming it was over 6 months ago and that your IP addresses is not still blocked at this time with an ongoing time-defined block (i.e. not indefinitely), it should probably be fine for you to return and start constructive contributing. I would then suggest you make a clear declaration on your userpage as to your previous life (so to speak) which then goes to show your good intent now.

Remember that a WP:CU can always investigate past editing from related IP addresses, so taking the honest approach you seem to be doing now is for the best. Thank you for coming here to ask your question.

As a pure aside, I used to have quite a collection of QSL cards from my teenage years as a SWL. What's your rough QTH? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:25, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I vandalized the article on Fiji and Hoopoe starling a few months ago. I recently (a day ago) vandalized Maidenhead Locator System by deleting all the content and starting the FT8 article, which after creating this account I moved to its own article. (That was reverted back to the redirect). I created this account from my phone which has its own IP. I've never been blocked indefinitely, but one of my IPs is blocked for a few more hours.

I'm in Oregon, US. --Qslcard (talk) 16:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually all the edits were from my phone. I vandalized on WiFi and created the account from my LTE data. --Qslcard (talk) 17:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Qslcard Oh - I'm quite disappointed to learn that you vandalised articles that recently and that your IP addresses are still blocked for a short while. But I do appreciate your honesty, which works in your favour - thank you.

I think it would be fair that I work out how much time you have left on your IP block and block this account for the same period of time. It won't be for long, but I then need you to be extremely careful about ensuring you edit positively and constructively henceforth. 73s. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Monica Niculescu, NPOV

Hello, I've started editing Wikipedia after a long absence, and I thought I might do some copy-editing, when I stumbled upon this article about Monica Niculescu. The section on her career has some titles that sound somewhat not neutral to me.

Judging by the Talk page, there have been several reverts related to that section, enough to make the section's (probable) author post a message to other editors who might do the same thing.

I'm not sure how to proceed, so please advise me. EmilyEclipse (talk) 17:01, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@EmilyEclipse: I agree that writing "Good moments in..." and "Tough matches, steady game..." etc. is non-neutral language that would only be appropriate if there was a cited source that could be quoted as saying exactly those words. I suggest you just go ahead an be bold in making changes. I don't see any recent comments on the Talk Page that's relevant to this and there are <30 page watchers. Make your changes with proper edit summaries as to why you are doing so, then discuss matters in a new Talk Page section if anyone objects to your alterations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks, I'll try helping out with the page then. EmilyEclipse (talk) 19:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Question by Kaustavdeka500

please approve my edit. Kaustavdeka500 (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Marooned Awakening (2022) WP:TOOSOON TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I think the related article is Draft:Bassevil (DJ). 74.103.167.168 (talk) 15:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Bassevil (DJ) has been Rejected, and another very experienced Reviewer wrote that they saw no potential for this to be accepted as an article. David notMD (talk) 19:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Rejected for not being notable

My work's page has been rejected for not being notable, yet it is named multiple times in Wikipedia pages and also plenty of the same type of businesses have pages with links to exactly the same publications that we were linking to. It cannot be any less notable than its competitors. Page below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kreston_Global

Any help very much appreciated as we are already £1k down to an agency. LynseyT (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@LynseyT: welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry to be obtuse, but what do you mean by £1k down to an agency? Did your company pay anybody to create a Wikipedia article? -bonadea contributions talk 19:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Oy. First, you have not declared on your User page that you are paid by Kreston Global. See WP:PAID why this is required. Second, draft Rejected because none of the refs establish notability. #1 is KG's site; 2-7 are name-only mentions, and 8-15 confirm who is on the Board. If in fact there are articles about other accounting firms with similarly flawed references, please identify those so that a deletion process can be started. David notMD (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LynseyT. I'm afraid that being mentioned in multiple existing Wikipedia articles does not make a topic notable. To understand Wikipedia's notability guidelines, see Wikipedia:Notability (this isn't a comment on whether the company is or isn't notable - just a point of fact about the rules). Cordless Larry (talk) 19:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). David notMD (talk) 21:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

LynseyT it may be that those who are younger than Baby boomers aren't familiar with what an encyclopedia is, so it might be helpful to read What Wikipedia is not. The vast majority of Wikipedia editors are volunteers, who want to provide accurate, well-referenced, non-promotional information about their areas of interest. Paid editors can write good articles, but Wikipedia is not here to promote a business or an individual, its purpose is to provide information that has already been published by reliable sources with no connection to the subject of an article. Newspapers, magazines and reference books tend to be good sources, most websites, social media platforms, or YouTube videos tend to be bad sources. Help:Your first article has some basic information on gathering references.

You should also be aware that if Kreston Global were to get its own article, that article would not belong to Kreston Global. If the business ever got some bad publicity (lawsuits, financial difficulties, etc.) that was covered by reliable news media, that unfortunate information can be added to the article, and Kreston Global could not have it removed. It may be worthwhile to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

Writing a good Wikipedia article is hard work, and a beginner can find all of the "rules" daunting. If you truly feel that good references can be found to prove Kreston Global is a notable entity, and a good neutral article can be written, then keep working on this project. But it's possible there are better outlets to get the promotion that may be wanted. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• I have just indefinitely blocked both this editor and one other SPA for breaching our terms of use by failing to declare their involvement in paid editing. See WP:UPE. Wikipedia is not to be used as a platform for WP:PROMOTION (even though a lot of it does happen). Nick Moyes (talk) 22:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Article not showing up

Article not showing up

I have recently created the article: Lanzelin, count of habsburg , but for some reason it does not show up when I try to link to it here or from other articles. This is slightly frustrating as it prevents this article from being connected to others, and assistance in solving this issue would be appreciated. Thank you. It is also of note that a single article of the 3 or 4 that it should be linked to does link to it, but the others do not, as does the main database.  Moostcho (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Moostcho: Hello Moost! That might be because you just moved the article to a new name which is Lanzelin of Klettgau. Also something to note is that article titles are case sensitive. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Please ignore the above. I have fixed the issue by renaming the article. Moostcho (talk) 00:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Message another user

How do I directly message another Wikipedia user? Hgh1985 (talk) 21:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Hgh1985: You cannot privately message another Wikipedia user aside from emailing them. Users who have opted in to email will have a button on their userpage that says "Email this user". You can notify other editors to discussions on talk pages by pinging them, but this is public. ––FormalDude talk 21:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

How do I add a the email this user button to my talk page. In preferences I already verified my email so the ability has been activated but I don't know how to add that button publicly. Hgh1985 (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There's nothing to add, Hgh1095. If the user has activated email, then you'll see "email this user" in the side bar in the "Tools" section on their user or user talk page, or looking at their contribution. i can see it on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

repinging Hgh1985 --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Hgh1985: When you visit the user page, the link is in the leftmost column under "Tools". RudolfRed (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Hgh1985 Just for clarity, I should explain that emailing another user is definitely NOT normal practice here, and you should not expect a reply back from them because that reply would then reveal their email to you. So please consider carefully if you have a genuine need to communicate privately (such as not revealing or drawing attention to content that an administrator might need to REVDEL).

Because we rely on openness here, the best way to directly communicate with another user is to leave your message on their talk page. But that, of course, is visible to anyone who cares to look -though why should that matter? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Hgh1985, you have already received messages on User talk:Hgh1985 from Wikipedia users. A standard way (and perhaps the commonest and most widely preferred way) to respond to each message is to do so immediately below the message, using one or more line-beginning colons as appropriate. -- Hoary (talk) 00:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse

Hello, I was wondering how do you become a host at the Teahouse? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome, and thanks for wanting to help. See Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host_start and WP:Teahouse/Host_lounge/Expectations RudolfRed (talk) 19:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002 Welcome to the Teahouse. No disrespect, but if you don't even know the answer to that question you're definitely not ready to sign yourself up as a host, if that were your intention. But you are, of course, welcome to answer anyone's questions that you do know the answer to without being a Teahouse Host. Just answer only the ones you know, and do so in as friendly a manner as you can manage so as not to put off other new users like yourself. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

OOps - I've just re-read this and it sounded snarky. That wasn't my intention. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes No problem! It is okay if i am not ready to host at the Teahouse, but I was wondering ahead of time. Thanks. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am really sorry how this might have come across, as it was a simple question. Thank you for your understanding - oh, and for that lovely barnstar. There was no need! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Richard P Novick

How may I submit an edited version of the draft article on Richard P Novick in my sandbox? Spesshot (talk) 05:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Spesshot: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looks like you have created Draft:Richard Novick and User:Spesshot/sandbox. I suggest moving/copying the best version to Draft:Richard Novick, then fixing the section headers (see Help:Section) and references (see WP:EASYREFBEGIN). If you have any relationship to Novick, please see WP:Conflict of interest and make the appropriate declaration on your user page. When you're ready to submit the draft, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Permission to use the template

Hello, sorry tor the second question. Sorry for the second question, but I’m a beginner (in English)…. I’m wondering if the templates in Category:Humorous user templates are the ones I can use without asking for permission. I’m sorry for the inconvenience, but I’d appreciate your help. Qbwr8296 (talk) 05:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Qbwr8296: At the Teahouse, you don't have to apologize for asking questions or being a beginner - we were all beginners here at some point. Yes, you may use one of those templates on your user page, as you've already done. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Create/list redirect pages

I would like to know how I can create a new redirect page ? (I want to redirect "Kasheesho" (priests of the Syriac Orthodox Church) to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church#Priests ) I would also like to know about the way we can get a listing of all pages that redirect to a specific page. PeterBehnam (talk) 09:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

See Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects.

To get the listing to which you refer, use the "What links here" option from the left-hand toolbar, then hide the transclusions and the links, and it will leave just the redirects. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I created it at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kasheesho&redirect=no . --PeterBehnam (talk) 10:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Great job! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Q

Hello. I have two questions. Is it ok to add more than two categories to an RFC, after the bot posted an ID? And does this rfc belong on the categories WikiProjects and collaborations and Wikipedia style and naming? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 10:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I am new from Nepal. I want help to begin.

I have been working on writing articles/blog posts for a long time. And I am very much interested in publishing my articles related to various fields, but I don't know how do I start? Kindly, Is there anyone who can help me? SarojLeduap (talk) 09:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@SarojLeduap Welcome to the Teahouse. It's great that you want to contribute to this encyclopaedia of Notable Things. Your post slightly worried me because Wikipedia is 100% NOT a place for people to publish their articles. Your own research, your blog posts and your own opinions or WP:PROMOTION must stay well away from this encyclopaedia's neutral tone of voice. Equally, you may not copy/paste content from any other website and upload it as if those words were your own (which I see you have already done with your first draft article). That is a legal copyright violation. If you can do these things, and simply improve existing article which have already met the critical criterion of meeting 'Notability' that would be the best way for you to start. You can get some ideas on things to improve by clicking on the 'Homepage' tab by your Userpage in desktop view. Maybe try doing The Wikipedia Adventure and reading through the various help pages at WP:INTRODUCTION to get a better feeling of things. I'm afraid Draft:Saroj Paudel is not appropriate for Wikipedia, so please start slowly by learning to do much easier tasks than creating a brand new article from scratch. One good suggestion might be to look at those articles relating to your own personal interests, or your own country, and find the shortests articles that have been identified as of the greatest importance. You could then use your research skills to find Reliable Sources which you would then use to add content to that article, basing it purely upon a reference to that source which you can easily learn how to insert. Try this list from WP:WikiProject Nepal to give you some ideas. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thankyou very much sir for your kindness and support towards me for making better contents on wikipedia. I really appreciate your suggestions. This was not my own article based on my raw thoughts, I was trying to highlight a group without giving the senses of advertising with my full effort. I didn't do any copy paste and the references of the article was completely the website of that particular group, and I tried to write them on my own words too. Please could you help me in someother way. Like could I get a chance to contact you personally, or Can I get some useful resources to make it more better? SarojLeduap (talk) 11:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@SarojLeduap Thank you for your reply. I'm not sure I can help you specifically to find resources for a particular article. All people who want to contribute here do need to be willing to invest time and effort themselves to find and collate independent sources, and then to read and understand how they should edit Wikipedia. We can't help you with the first part, nor indeed in doing the reading. But, the Teahouse can help you if still you don't understand how to do something. For a newcomer to create an article from scratch is a very hard task (see this guidance page). Learning to edit Wikipedia (as all of have had to do at one point!) is a bit like driving a car for the very first time. Look and see how others drive on your roads. Then start off slowly. Don't rush to your destination, or you are bound to get into big difficulties along the way. Take it slowly and carefully, listen to other car drivers on the road and obey the road signs, and you will have a pleasant journey and arrive safely. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick MoyesThankyou brother. You are really motivating. I don't know why I am trying something to do faster. SarojLeduap (talk) 11:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SarojLeduap, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that and the references of the article was completely the website of that particular group is part of the problem: Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You can reference their own publications for very limited purposes (see Primary sources), but the bulk of any article, and its citations, must come from sources wholly unconnected with the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 11:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou @ColinFine I got some of my doubts cleared from you. Appreciated. SarojLeduap (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

IAbot

Hey I was running the IA bot to add archive to references and after 99 seconds it stopped and said I was blocked from editing,but obviously I havent been blocked so what does that mean? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I ran it again to see if it was just a glitch and after 4 seconds it said the same thing. It even says on account details blocked: no ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 You're not blocked, I'm encountering the issues as well. Apparently, it's an error issued by MW API (not exactly sure which) but I asked Cyberpower678 previously, for your reference, just wait a few hours and it will work again. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 And also here where it stated it's a bug. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, glad Im not the only one. I almost had a heart attack when it said I was blocked lol. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No problems, glad to help. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 Sorry to interrupt, but what on Earth is the IA bot? Bots run automatically, but you are saying that you were running the bot. How is that possible? Are you the owner? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 04:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible IABot is InternetArchiveBot. You can use the bot yourself, see here, the edit will be made under your username. To use it under the InternetArchiveBot username, you have to queue the task by using this link and typing which article you want to archive in bulk, after a few minutes, the bot will start running. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Paper9oll Ok, got it thanks. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Citation bot is another bot you can run yourself. GoingBatty (talk) 05:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thanks for the additional information. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: yeah it is really helpful to add archives to references instead of having to do it manually. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 Got it. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

User:খাঁটি বাঙালি

Now something really has to be done regarding this. This user is constantly moving undeveloped pages to mainspace, I don't know why. He even won't listen to anyone, and he is still doing the same things again. All these things can be found on his talk page. What can be done about this? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Some of his undeveloped pages are 2022 Córdoba Open – Singles, 2022 Open Sud de France – Singles Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Do you have any idea for his problem? SarojLeduap (talk) 11:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@SarojLeduap I'm not sure why you asked me, specifically. But it seems @Itcouldbepossible feels a number of recently drafted tennis-related articles do not deserve to be in mainspace yet. They've left numerous messages for at least on other editor, and appear to have incorrectly CSD-ed some of them - that is not the way to go. AfD would be more appropriate, assuming they'd done WP:BEFORE and feel deletion is genuinely appropriate. This could be a learning curve for @User:খাঁটি বাঙালি and for ICBP. As I don't know anything about tennis articles, they might simply be WP:TOOSOON, or they could be fine. There has certainly been a lot of detailed work gone in to create them, and both editors appear to be acting in Good Faith, even if they take different views on their approach to sports articles. These pages are certainly extraordinarily detailed, and might not fit in with sports article styles - I am really not sure. My advice would be first to discuss the approach to such articles at WP:WikiProject Tennis and seek input from other editors. The 'nuclear option' is to provide evidence (WP:DIFFS) at WP:ANI and see what the community feel about the actions of an editor, but both sides then get all their editing behaviour and interactions scrutinised, and that is rarely the most pleasant experience for anyone. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Well, the problem with the creator of the article is that, they move out articles in mainspace even before the article has been fully developed. There are big tables with just no data. When I asked the editor about why they are doing so, they said that those tables doesn't yet have data to be filled in. But my question is, then why does tables at all exist? He can add it when the data is available. By going the other way, the article really seams blank since the big tables doesn't have data. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 13:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

How can I make a disambiguate page?

I'm looking to create a disambiguate page linking these 3 pages: (1), (2), (3). Is there a different process or can I just create a new article as I would normally? Ficaia (talk) 14:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: Hello Ficaia! You don't just create a disambiguation page without any discussion. That's because you would have to determine what the primary topic (if any) would be and if one would be necessary. Since there are only 3 pages you can simply just use hatnotes to prevent confusion. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I notice there is a Umfraville page, so maybe I can add some info there. Thanks for your help Ficaia (talk) 15:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: No problem! For examples of how it would work with templates you can see Minecraft (it does include a disambig page but it doesn't have to) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

How to properly explain why I edited a source as 'irrelevant'

I've recently edited an article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum, marking source number [6], as irrelevant, given that upon consulting the source at the designated page I could find nothing about the mentioned sentence (more specifically, there is no mention of the sitting positions 'left/right' on the designated source's page 112). The change was justly reverted with a note that I had not properly explained the reason for the 'irrelevant' tag; how would I go about properly giving an explanation other editors might be able to read? Shine Couture (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Shine Couture If you find a cited source does not support the statement it appear intended so to do, you can add to it (see {{Template:failed verification}}) and raise the issue on the article talk page. If you delete it and someone returns it (and it wasn't being used to support some other nearby statement) you can remove it a second time (with a clear edit summary) as to why and a in its place, whilst again ensuring you raise your concerns on the article's talk page. Don't remove it a third time or you'll start getting in to an edit war, which just disrupts an article. Often, it's simply best to leave things where they were so people can see the problem links and simply discuss it by raising your concerns on the talk page. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes it does, thank you! Shine Couture (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

EXPEDITING SEARCH ENGINE INDEXING OF WIKI ARTICLES

Good evening, Teahouse Team -

Do any of you have any methods / best practices that you can endorse for expediting the Search Engine indexing of new Wikipedia articles?

Thank you in advance for sharing your insights and expertise. Wikibaker (talk) 04:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibaker: Welcome to the Teahouse! New articles are released for indexing by search engines after being reviewed by the Wikipedia:New pages patrol or after 90 days, whichever comes first. There is no expediting process for this, so please be patient while Wikipedia volunteers go through their backlog of 7,000+ pages. After that, Wikipedia cannot control how quickly search engines actually indexes them. GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for the über-quick response, @GoingBatty ! Best to you. Wikibaker (talk) 04:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Wikibaker. I believe you're referring to Ania Malinowska. As a new page patroller, however, I can't in good faith approve the article for indexing, as it lacks so much as even a single non-primary source. Moreover, it appears you've uploaded two professional headshots to Wikimedia Commons as well as an image of Malinowska giving a lecture without explaining how any of these fall under a CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. If you are financially affiliated with Malinowska (or Phil Hendrie, whose headshot you also uploaded), you must disclose it on your user page. Furthermore, if you do have some relationship with the subject(s) but it's not financial, a disclosure is still expected. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, TheTechnician27 - I appreciate your insights a great deal. You are correct in that my question was referring to Ms. Malinowska, but my question also relates to a new article that I am about to craft for the musical artist, Suzanne Santo. I do not have a financial affiliation with Ms. Malinowska or Mr. Hendrie. My only relationship with them (and Ms. Santo) is as being a fan of their work. I have purchased two of Ms. Malinowska's books and then subsequently realized she had not yet had a Wikipedia article. In the case of Mr. Hendrie, I am a subscriber of his website and recognized that his legacy Wikipedia article contained inaccuracies. In addition, his article had a warning at the top indicating "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Appears written by his PR. Needs links to Wikipedia articles, remove press release tone.", which I directly addressed with each of my edits. You are also correct that I uploaded headshots of both Mr. Hendrie and Ms. Malinowska (and will be doing so for Ms. Santo's page), but to be honest I'm not at all confident that in doing so I followed the correct procedure. If I did not or if I misappropriated the related license for them, please let me know and I'll be happy to make those adjustments. Lastly I have to confess that I don't understand the point that you made about Ms. Malinowska's article lacking "even a single non-primary source". I attempted to cite all of the appropriate references and have added instances of three Wikipedia articles that now point back to Ms. Malinowska's article ( 1) Notable Professors from The University of Silesia, 2) Notable Alumni of the Fulbright Program, and 3) Notable people in Wolin (town)), but if there is something more that you're suggesting, I would love to learn of it. Thank you again, TheTechnician27. Although I have been a fan and supporter of Wikipedia for many years, I only began volunteering as an Editor within the past few weeks and sincerely appreciate your guidance. Wikibaker (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibaker: Please see WP:PRIMARY. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Can I request an edit here?

Hello, I have been a user of Wikipedia for quite some time. I've been using it since 2019 and have had a blast, not just receiving information, but also collaborating. The thing is, I want to put in an image for a extended-confirmed protected page, and I cannot edit it, so I'm suggesting an edit. I'd like to have the page for Benny Gantz edited, by adding his signature. The image is below my message.

Thanks. Sincerely,

               𝐻𝒾𝓈𝓉𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁 𝒰𝓈𝑒𝓇 Historical User (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Historical User: Welcome to the Teahouse. We don't take edit requests here; what you want to do is go to Talk:Benny Gantz and leave an edit request over there; please read the previous link very carefully. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Historical User — You can request the edit at Talk:Benny Gantz, where an extended-confirmed user (such as myself) will make the edit for you. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Historical User, and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you Benny Gantz? If you are, you should declare that in making a request for editing that article; if you are not, I don't see how you can claim that File:Bennygantzsignature.png is your "own work", and you would appear to be violating his copyright by purporting to license it under CC-BY-SA. --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Further, there has been discussion on whether or not it is appropriate to include signatures of living people in Wikipedia articles. WP:Signatures of living persons. says Editors should provide clear justification of importance for the use of the signature of any living person where such signature is not already available in widely published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

How to handle repurposed links?

How should repurposed links be handled? I couldn't find what I was looking for at {{dead link}} or the "See also" links on that page. Two cases I've come across are:

• the site has been completely repurposed or taken over by another owner
• the site still serves the same audience, but the link redirects to a home page and the internal search utility doesn't find a match for the original  _signed, Willondon (talk) 18:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Willondon Welcome to the Teahouse. It's important not to simply remove a non-functioning link that once supported a citation, but there are ways to deal with it. Hopefully, you may find what you need on this page WP:Link rot. If I was unsure how to proceed, I would post the link in the article talk page to highlight your concerns about it so that another editor can address it if they're minded so to do. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

The Black Walrus Movie (2022)

The Black Walrus Movie is a TV Internet other device movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacetolbert (talk • contribs) 18:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I will be making a new movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacetolbert (talk • contribs) 18:19, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wallacetolbert This is a help forum for those wanting advice on how to edit Wikipedia. Your statement does not seem relevant here - nor or indeed anywhere on Wikipedia. Good luck making your film. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Blue shaded text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H%C3%B6ss I wish to add facts to this Wikipedia page. The first two paragraphs can be edited. When I scroll to the third paragraph, the text becomes blue-shaded. Left click creates a box entitled Template Content. I cannot edit the page after the first two paragraphs. Can you help? Johnnyyank1863 (talk) 19:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Johnnyyank1863 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What a weird experience for you to encounter! I have fixed it for you, and the sections you want to edit and to add citations to are now accessible.

In case you're interested, here's the explanation: You were obviously using Visual Editor, which many new users do. Unfortunately the incorrect placement of a family tree template {{Template:Tree list}} obstructed your access to ordinary text that lay below it, and which you wanted to edit. That template works as a pair - one to turn the family tree on, and another at the end to turn the family tree off. I have moved the opening template to the right place in 'Family' section. That problem wouldn't have been noticeable to many users like myself who much prefer to use WP:Source editor for the majority of tasks here. It's a tool that uses really simple 'markup' for things like links, bold, italic, headers and so forth. It's a much more powerful editor than VE, but is not WISYWYG. Should you ever encounter a similar issue again (which is extremely rare in my experience) simply switch to Source Editor to trace the problem. In desktop view, just click the dark slanting pencil icon on the right side of the editing toolbar to switch between editing modes. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Why there is no portals about Indian states ?

California, New York State have their WP: portals but why not India's states likeMaharashtra don't have one, I suggest WP to create it for India's states and places such as Mumbai, Pune, Nashik. Success think (talk) 19:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

That's because nobody's yet thought to make one. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano Not so - see below. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think Welcome to the Teahouse. Oh dear, you've stumbled across one of Wikipedia's more shameful stories, and one that began perhaps five or so years ago. Let me tell you the tale...

...There are editors here who like to create and add content, but there are other editors who have strong views about deleting content that they feel is not needed. It's always a balance between keeping good content and removing the chaff. But there were two strong-willed administrators involved in this story - one in each camp. Plus a third editor who found a way to automate Portal creation to the point where many very trivial and needless Portals were made. One of those administrators (and a load of other editors too) felt that there were far too many Portals, and set out on a prolonged campaign to delete large numbers of them. The war of proposed Portal deletions raged on for at least a couple of years, and got quite intense. Indeed, dear listener, one administrator leading the charge for deletion became so engaged and enraged with the other that eventually a high level complaint was made about their conduct, and we all had a community discussion, and a decision to remove the administrator rights from that adminstrator was made, and were banished from the Kingdom barred from editing on any Portal-related content ever again. But the damage had been done - so many portals - some really good ones (and they're all simply just an alternative way to present information to users) - were deleted. Sadly, Portal:Maharashtra was one such.

Now, nothing is deleted here forever -it can always be restored or created again from scratch if there is deemed to be a good reason for doing so. So it would probably require a good case and commitment from a few dedicated editors (not just brand new ones who fancied seeing it again) to get any given deleted Portal reinstated, and that would probably be so with Portal:Maharashtra. I suspect there is guidance at WP:PORTALS on that process, but it is not one I would want anyone to rush into lightly just for the sake of creating or recreating one.

It is true that Portals are a 'shop window' into a topic that were not so publicly visible and not visited as much as individual articles - but that was their value. They simply offered an alternative way for any visitor to discover things related to a big topic. I for one regret the loss of many of them.

Caveat: this description is my personal overview of the situation, and may not fully reflect the hundreds of thousands of words that were written before this appalling ongoing internecine war was resolved. Luckily this is only Wikipedia, so no lives were lost. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:, Thanks for giving overview of this case, I don't know that. But I suggest to make some Portals about India, currently I think there is only one portal for Ind, but there is lots of topic need portals such as Indian history, Indian cricket, Maharashtra, Goa etc.Success think (talk) 20:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Might you become involved at Portal:India and its talk page Portal talk:India, and take things from there? Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think I wouldn't have expected you to have known that - perhaps other hosts here don't either. But I might agree with you about the possible need or value in recreating a Portal, but here is not the place to make a case for that. Are you aware of 'WikiProjects' which are where groups of editors with shared interests in a broad subject can collaborate to improve articles? Luckily, nobody turned their attention to deleting these (not yet, anyway!), and many WikiProjects had Portals associated with them in the early days, and as those WikiProjects declined in activity, so their Portals were left exposed to attack. Wikipedia:WikiProject Maharashtra is perhaps the place where such discussions might be held in order to ascertain both need and to find committed, involved editors before submitting a rationale for recreation. Further advice at Wikipedia:Portal/Guidelines. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Maharashtra Open

Maharashtra Open have its Official name as TATA Open Maharashtra as per ATP website, can you change it. How to write in infobox about its ongoing current 2022 edition ? Success think (talk) 18:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think Hi again. I should probably explain that the Teahouse rarely fixes things or makes articles itself. What we do do is offer advice on how editors can fix things for themselves. In this instance, the place to post your ideas and suggestions is on the 'Talk page' of the relevant article. In this case it would be Talk:Maharashtra Open. You would need to provide a rationale and evidence in the form of Reliable links to sources which demonstrate the need for a page name change. If you don't get any 'takers' to the proposal - and I see an identical 2018 suggestion got no response - then you can draw attention to the page by making a formal 'edit request'. See WP:EDITREQUEST for how to go about that, or consider or posting your proposal at the relevant WikiProject, which you can find through the article's talk page. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Can't edit semi-protected page on Hebrew Wikipedia, even though I meet the requirements

Hi there. I'm trying to edit Mikmak on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and the article is semi-protected. It's just a minor edit.

But for some reason it says my account needs to be at least 30 days old, and for me to have 100 edits ACROSS Wikipedia.

My account is 12 months old and has 355 edits ACROSS Wikipedia Quick Quokka ^[talk] 21:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: You will need to ask at the Hebrew Wikipedia, they will be able to explain what the requirement is and why you are not able to edit that article. Each Wikipedia has its own process and rules for editing. RudolfRed (talk) 21:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia article name

Hello, I apologize for asking another question here (as some may have seen my previous question regarding the Wikipedia Library), however I may soon start a draft on the British composer and pianist Oliver King, full name Oliver Arthur King, but there is an article with the same name (and is totally unrelated, and note King Oliver is also a different person), so should I name the article as "Oliver King (composer)" or as Oliver Arthur King, both names seem popular, IMSLP gives his works as Oliver King, but also does mention the "Arthur" middle name, however some biographical dictionaries/books refer him as his complete name Oliver Arthur King or Oliver A. King.

Based on journals by The Musical Times, the name Oliver King might be more popular, but besides common name, what other factors are used to decide the name of Wikipedia articles, and what should the name be for this one?

Thank you, the person seems to have been popular in his day, suddenly forgotten over the century - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 04:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RandomEditorAAA, and welcome to the Teahouse. (And please don't apologise for asking questions! That's what this page is for). The policy and all its ramifications are laid out in WP:TITLE. In short, either Oliver Arthur King or Oliver King (composer) might be appropriate. But my advice is not to worry about this. Unless you are confident that your very first attempt will be a strong enough article to survive in mainspace, you should work by creating a draft anyway (see WP:AFC): just call it Draft:Oliver King. When your draft is accepted, the reviewer who accepts it will sort out any naming or disambiguation issues. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

If you have strong views on the "correct" article title, based on WP:Common, for example, you can make your suggestion on the Talk Page of your draft, which the reviewer will notice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will start the draft article soon, I may move the article outside the draftspace to the mainspace when I am done (This would be my 3rd article, after Hisatada Otaka, and Hanns Wolf, the Otaka article taking 3 months to be reviewed, and I don't want to wait that long again), since both names seem fine, I will choose based on my personal judgement under WP:TITLE. However, if I do plan on waiting for the review, then I will just tell he/she about the possible names. Thank you once again! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Since this is still here, I would like to notify that the article (Draft:Oliver King) has been submitted for review. I have one question, related to copyright, I want to upload an image of the cover page of either King's Night symphony or King's Overture Among the Pines, from IMSLP the date of publication for the symphony is 1884 (while Google says 1889, either way both are probably in the Public domain for both USA and United Kingdom), and the Concert Overture is from 1883 based again from IMSLP but also from my own research of the piece (whether this exact copy/version is from 1883 is up for question, but regardless it would probably be in public domain). However my question is that, does the digitization date matter for copyright, if so then both of these images were uploaded to IMSLP in 2016, (although the symphony was digitized by Google Books in 2007), so while the artwork itself is in public domain can I still use the cover images from IMSLP? Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 19:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, my question was stupid, I will try to upload the 2 cover images. Sorry for bothering. Thank you once again! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 22:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Help to update my page

I need to update my page with my new job and tribal affiliations. And I need to replace the main the photo with one I own.

I dont know anyone who can do this for me.

Advice? Metiria (talk) 22:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Metiria Hello and welcome. You asked a similar question in 2019, this is the answer you were given, which still applies. I would correct you in that it is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about you. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Adding a reference sending to the talk page

I'd like to add a link sending to the talk page on a dead link tag (talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:June_1932&oldid=1069104286, dead source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1932#cite_note-musicandhistory-32), to specify that the link works, but it sends the user to an archived page containing a chronology, whose validating bibliography rests in another page whose link is deprecated. Is there a way to add a link sending to the relevant talk page topic on a dead link tag?  Shine Couture (talk) 17:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Shine Couture: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looks you you successfully posted your request at Talk:June 1932 a few minutes before posting here. Note that Wikipedia editors are all volunteers, and it may take several days before anyone responds. Thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you for the answer; I should clear up that I had the intention of finding a better source at some point in the future, but that I posted here in the mean time in hopes of finding a way to have the dead link tag redirect to the talk page (if that's something that can be done). Cheers and thanks for the welcome. Shine Couture (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

HELP with removing a neutrality notice on a page

I'm reasking this question because I'm now logged in to my page and can keep trace of the answer. Can you help me figure out what exactly must be removed on a page I'm trying to edit so that the neutrality notice can be removed? I'm editing the page for Hollywood producer "Michael Rotenberg", so I'm not sure what information on the page is in question because everything seems to be fact. The URL for the page is below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rotenberg

Thanks! Ngo3arts (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ngo3arts: Just delete the template. In the visual editor you need to click on the template and click on the backspace or delete key; In the source editor, just remove the line with the {{POV Check}} template. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 23:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No, QuickQuokka. The question was about "what exactly must be removed". Puffery and unreferenced assertions, that's exactly what. -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

NGo3arts, I'd suggest reading WP:COI and WP:PAID. Additionally, the article is without sources to support the "facts" and likely to be moved to draft, reduced to a stub or deleted without improvement.Slywriter (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. I have rescued the (one!) source, which is a listing in Variety, and so neither significant coverage of the subject nor, probably independent of him. I have restored the neutrality tag, and added several more, in addition to the one that Slywriter added. NGo3arts, As a producer and manager, he plays an integral role in the development and production of television and film properties, as well as shepherds the careers of many top actors, writers, and directors. is just one example of peacock language, and decidedly non-neutral. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 00:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine, I've cleaned up some issues but others remain. I'm not too good with a scalpel and subject meets Notablity, so hopefully gnomes pay a visit to fix further. Also, I've informed OP of paid policy as article has at least 2 undisclosed paid editorsSlywriter (talk) 00:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I have moved this to Draft:Michael Rotenberg, as predicted above. Ngo3arts should provide a reliable (and of course disinterested) reference for each of the draft's many assertions before any attempt to move it back to article space. -- Hoary (talk) 00:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sally Struthers is in Yellowstone. It was not mentioned.

 208.95.162.79 (talk) 00:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you can cite a Reliable Source that shows Sally Struthers now lives in Yellowstone, you can post it on the talk page of that article. If it is deemed relevant, I'm sure another editor will be glad to incorporate the information into the page. Or you can do so yourself - but it requires published evidence, not just your personal knowledge or say-so. If something can't be verified, it shouldn't be included - that's the rule to work to. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

My guess is that this is Yellowstone (American TV series) rather than a place, Nick Moyes, but I may be wrong. I'm also guessing you didn't mean to begin your reply with a profanity! --ColinFine (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, interesting confusion on my part, ColinFine, though my general answer to cite a source still applies. And no, I only use profanities off-wiki, as you might well have noticed with my increasing frustration and deep anger about what is happening in our country right now. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How does an administrator protect a page?

I wonder how 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:C49D:CC12:7D8B:33EC (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

One of the options under "Edit" (together with "Edit this page", etc) is (for administrators) "Change protection". The administrator clicks this, and proceeds from there. -- Hoary (talk) 00:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@IP editor -Welcome back to the Teahouse again (on the /64 range). Just in case you meant to ask how you can get an admin to protect a page which is being disruptively edited by multiple users, there's details at WP:RFPP which might help.

Looking at all your contributions I recommend you sing up for a free Wikipedia account with a username of your choice. That way all your questions and answers will be in one place, and we'll be able to know if this is a follow-up question from a previous discussion. Obviously, that might not be possible if you're on a work PC or shared device - but it'll make things much simpler if you can, and it'd hide the fact that your IP is based out of El Monte, California. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

You can pretty much see for yourself here: Special:ProtectPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Didn't know the main Teahouse itself was protected. The vandalism must've gotten pretty bad to have to protect it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit Bibliography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H%C3%B6ss?action=edit I edited the above Wikipedia page and included references to a previously uncited book. The cited references appear in the text and in the Reference Notes, but the book does not appear in the Bibliography. Can you help? Johnnyyank1863 (talk) 04:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Johnnyyank1863 — The bibliography is not a transclusionable template, so you’ll have to manually add the book yourself into the bibliography. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 04:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Disney+ Hotstar Launch in the Philppines

I regret that Disney+ Hostar launch in the Philippines in 2022. This is service filipino content on Disney+ Hotstar with a possible content supply agreements with studios and production companies in the country. Can Disney+ Hotstar launch in February. Let's Find Out. MaiLab Cesko (talk) 05:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@MaiLab Cesko: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

National heir and 10th generational grandson of Francis Cooke

i am the National heir and 10th generational grandson of Francis Cooke , Naemasket Hills cemetery , Middleborough, in the Tomson family plots, is intermed, Marguerite May Thompson, daughter of Minor Wm.Thompson II, list MInor Sr.1857-1931..in the genology of John Tomson 1622 Miner descendant, by Samuel Hutchinson, Charles Hutgchinson Thompson, Ingatius Thompson. you find all mygrand fathers . tomson, as John i, John ll, Thomas, Francis , Ruele, Marsten, Minor Wm. l, father  Gorjamax (talk) 09:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gorjamax Welcome to the Teahouse, where we solve editing problems for people. Thank you for sharing this information. I see you added it to the Family section at Francis Cooke, and that it was removed. I presume you want to know why?

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a family history site, we don’t need or want to know about non-notable and distant descendants- or this site would become rapidly bloated with unverifiable information. Just be proud of knowing you family tree, and best wishes from us all. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

what can i do as a user

 Noora.darwish (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Noora.darwish Welcome to the Teahouse. We always say to new users to start slowly by doing small things first. If you click on your Homepage Tab, you should see suggestions of articles that need fixing. Skim through the articles until you find a task that interests you. Alternatively try looking at articles about things near to where you live and look fir any errors or gaps you can fill. Every new factual statement needs to be supported with a citation- do not just add stuff that you personally happen to know. See WP:INTRODUCTION to guide you through the learning experience. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Homepage Tab? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: WP:Growth Team features#Newcomer homepage. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

That's what I needed to know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes! Every new account now has this helpful feature enabled by default. As hosts, we do need to be aware of it. It’s quite clever. Existing users can enable it by clicking the Show homepage button at the bottom of the first tab in the Preferences. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This recurring "eye of the beholder" thing could be a good topic for an essay. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

...so now if I put a welcome message on someones talkpage, I'm their "mentor"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no! ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 10:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I strongly suspect that most newcomers have absolutely no idea that there is a newcomer's welcome page, or how to turn it on. Wikipedia's preference page is quite complicated, with oodles of valuable options; a lot of people who are more interested in articles than settings probably won't bother looking at it, on the principle that defaults-are-generally-good. I had no idea it was there, despite having nearly a year to find it; thank you for pointing it out! Elemimele (talk) 10:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ooh, I've got a mentor. How did that happen?? Elemimele (talk) 10:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I wonder that too. Perhaps there's a list somewhere they volunteered on. Checking more closely, my mentor is not the editor who welcomed me in 2009, but an active admin. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage#Mentorship module. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yup. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Per what NM said, they're nowadays (whenever those began) enabled by default, so should be possible to find. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

query

Is digit.in Digit (magazine) a user generated content or can add information as a reliable source? ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 10:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

२ तकर पेप्सी, This website/magazine has a group of editors who write for it. That is to say, the content isn't user generated. For its reliability, you should enquire at WP:RSN ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 11:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Company's page on Wkipedia

I need to make my company's page on Wikipedia. Can you please guide me through all the baby steps. Thank you. Wasif98 (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Wasif98 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you must make a formal declaration as a paid editor, please click on and read WP:PAID for instructions. You should also read about conflict of interest.

I'm afraid that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves, it is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia does not have "company pages", it has articles about companies. Those articles are typically written by independent editors, who take note of a company in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, but in what others completely unconnected with the company choose on their own to say about it. This cannot be based on press releases, the company website, staff interviews, announcements of business activities, brief mentions, or other primary sources. You would need to set aside everything you know about your company and only write based on the content of independent sources- that is usually very difficult for company representatives to do. However, if you think that you can, you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft.

Writing a new Wikipedia article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, even without a conflict of interest- it's even harder when you have one. We usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles first, and also using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wasif98: Well, if it's your own company it's a conflict of interest.

Here are the rules for editing an article if it's a conflict of interest

If you're sure you want to create an article, even though you have a conflict of interest, here are some tips on how to make an article.

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 11:49, 1idebar for the Teahouse.

My Article is up for Deletion :(

Hey Guys,

My one article, BerriBlue, is up for deletion and I'm not sure whether I'm going about it in the right way. I added some comments to the deletion page. I'd prefer to know what changes need to be made so I can keep this one.

They also mention that I only created that one article so they thought it was suspicious. Fair enough! I made it ages ago, intending to do some more, but never got around to it. It's a good reminder and a kick to do the other ones I had drafts of, but I'm worried whether that will help or not, or will they all just get deleted?

Any advice is really appreciated. Wil57 (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wil57: The first thing I see in the deletion discussion page is that the article fails WP:NARTIST. Severestorm28 12:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Trying to link an article with a right-to-left title makes it invisible

I asked a question here in the teahouse earlier, and I linked to an article in Hebrew. It didn't show up.

I typed [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]], and it shows up as "" Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have now edited the above to remove the erroneous page language link that I described below. --ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Try typing your link with a leading colon like this: [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] and it will appear like this: Mikmak. GoingBatty (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No offense, but that looks exactly like what I said.

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there's a typo in GoingBatty's message. Where he said [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]], I'm sure he intended to say [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]]. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka and David Biddulph: Facepalm Oops! I wrote that you needed a "leading colon", but forgot to put it in my example! Fixed above - sorry! GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuickQuokka, and welcome to the Teahouse. That form of link is special, and links the page as a whole to the Hebrew page, so if you look at the list of languages in the side bar, there is currently a Hebrew link pointing to he:מיקמק instead of to an equivalent of the Teahouse (apparently there isn't an equivalent so normally there is no Hebrew link there). To get the effect you want, you must precede the link with a colon (':') which stops the parser treating it specially. So [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] displays as Mikmak. Isuggest you go back and edit your previous posting (I would do it, but I want to leave it here for the moment for you to see the result). --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much!!!

I'll remember for next time!

Do I also need to do it for other sister projects? (e.g. [[:wiktionary:apple|apple]])

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: From what I've seen only for other language wikis, although I could be wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The Mikmak article is linked as the Hebrew version of the Teahouse.

Sorry for posting this again, again. Last time I forgot to put in the content of the question, and the time before that I forgot to add the subject of the question.

For some reason Mikmak is linked in the "Languages" section of the sidebar for the Teahouse.

On Wikidata, it doesn't show Mikmak linked here.

On the Mikmak page in Hebrew, it doesn't show the Teahouse linked there. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 12:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: is it gone now? An earlier question had link to Mikmak as an old style interwikilink instead of an inline link (with a leading colon). I added the missing colon to the link. MKFI (talk) 13:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, I explained to you above how you had accidentally done this, and how to fix it, and I added that I could fix it but was leaving it so that you could see the effect and fix it yourself. I have now removed the offending link from your previous post. --ColinFine (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

draft was declined but citations are high quality and reliable

I have multiple reliable secondary sources for the notability of the article I submitted. Some of them were published profiles (in newspapers and a mainstream magazine) of the subject in question. I don't think the reviewer understood the sources. I don't see a way to contest the decline and I wonder if I can get a second opinion or message the reviewer to retract the decline.

Draft:Lucidbeaming

Can I get some support about the sources I used? Ogouogou (talk) 08:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, I suppose the draft is Draft:Lucidbeaming? ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, Yes the draft is the draft is Draft:Lucidbeaming. My sources include a printed profile in a mainstream culture magazine, printed newspaper article, links from independent music site and radio stations, links from the cultural offices of government websites that have specific references to the article subject, and well-known art galleries with information pages that directly support text in the body of the article. - --Ogouogou (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, In this case, the best is to ask Vinegarymass911 who declined the draft, at their talk page User talk:Vinegarymass911. They'd tell you what make them to decline the draft and might suggest you certain ideas to work with on the draft. Regards ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, I did ask the user. What are my options if they don't respond? --Ogouogou (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, Give them at least 24 hours to respond. You may otherwise ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk as indicated on the decline message. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lucidbeaming seems to be about a "project" by a non-notable artist. I've checked the first eight sources cited; none of them helps to establish that Curry or his project is notable. Ogouogou, which four of the sources cited do you believe do most to establish that either Curry or the project is notable? Maproom (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Publishing question

 Mschulz75 (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Why Can't any of My articles get published and Can you help?

@Mschulz75 Welcome to the Teahouse - the place where we help people understand how best to edit this free encyclopaedia. The only article I can see that you've written is at Draft:Trademarks, Patents, and Copyrights. We already have articles on these topics, and what you did write is more of a student essay than an encyclopaedic article. I'm afraid we don't accept that sort of content. Even if you had based it upon Reliable Sources it would still not be quite the right fit here. I'm really sorry to disappoint you. But there are lots of other things you can still do to contribute here - it isn't all about adding new articles. In fact there are 6.4 million+ articles that you could look at - perhaps making small corrections and updates before moving on to add new content, supported by good quality references. See Wikipedia:Community portal for more help and ideas. Regards. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Copyright

Hi, the source says that He did his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from the Norwegian University of Engineering & Technology, Norway in 1995 with a full scholarship from the Norwegian government. And I want to write he completed his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in 1995 along a full scholarship from the Norwegian government. Is it right? Thanks. Dawnpenguin (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dawnpenguin: Welcome to the Teahouse! You didn't tell us who "he" is or what the source is, but in general you can add this type of information to an article or draft if the source is reliable. GoingBatty (talk) 14:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

GoingBatty, I'm telling about Md Mahbubur Rahman. I'm writing an article about him. The source is [6]. I want to non-copyright the line I've mentioned in the question. The source says, "He did his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from the Norwegian University of Engineering & Technology, Norway in 1995 with a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." And I've converted it to, "He completed his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in 1995 along a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." Is my converted text non-copyrighted? It is my question. Although, I think the question is different. However, thanks. Dawnpenguin (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dawnpenguin: Looks like that's a report of a BPDB press release, so it won't help you with notability. I'm not a copyright expert, but the point of publishing a press release is to have other organizations report the information. You could paraphrase the information more, such as "In 1995, he completed his Master of Science in Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), having received a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." GoingBatty (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Update a headshot?

How can I update the very old photo on my own wikipedia page (Harley Jane Kozak)? Beastinc22 (talk) 00:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Beastinc22 Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. Providing you took the picture yourself (self-timer or selfie), you may simply upload a photo to Wikimedia Commons under an appropriate 'Creative Commons' licence. Ideally, you would ensure you include a category title, so that it is automatically added to c:Category:Harley Jane Kozak. It needs to be the copyright owner who releases the picture. So if a friend took the picture, as the image rights owner, it should be them who uploads it from their Wikipedia account as. legally, only they can authorise the release of an image they own the copyright to. The link to upload images is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

I realise not everyone want to get all nerdy doing stuff like that, so we have an alternative route for you. Go to https://relgen.toolforge.org/ where you'll find a simple, step-by-step tool you fill in which creates the text of a release email you then automatically send to our Volunteer Team from an official email account they can verify is yours. You have the option of attaching the image directly. Having done that, they will check and upload the file for you. We can then add it to the article to replace the 2005 one that's already there.

All this fuss is aimed at protecting people's rights over their own images, not to make a nuisance of ourselves for the sake of it! I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Beastinc22 Be aware that if you do this, you give up all rights to use of the photo for any purposes, including commercial. David notMD (talk) 02:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that's misleading, David notMD. Beastinc22, David means that you will be unable to stop other people from using the image (including changing it), not that you can't use it yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. "...would surrender all rights to control use by other people..." would have been better. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Forgive me for daring to reformat another editor's reply, but I have struck what you wrote as I am worried the OP might read that far and not any further. I think it's important that any misleading response, even if clearly an accidental one, is not left overly-visible. I'm sure you understand. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

New Draft article

I'm working on new article draft and I'd like to make sure I'm doing it write before doing more work. References are not there yet but I'm working on them SULNOUR (talk) 15:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Abdulahad AbdulNour; @SULNOUR: it appears you've done everything fine so far, however I would suggest writing the article as you get citations. I learned that the hard way, I had attempted to write a gameplay section at SnowRunner and because I wanted to add the info before I got refs, it made it harder for me to find refs for it. I corrected that mistake when I wrote Splatoon 3, I created a list of references to use for the article first, and then took info from them (while putting it in my own words so I dont have a WP:COPYVIO) and put it into the article while referencing those refs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, SULNOUR. Every single word you write before you have found your sources is at risk of having to be thrown away if the reliable independent sources don't support it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to change title

I dont know how to change the title Daddy 1985 (talk) 16:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Daddy 1985 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Changing the title of an article requires a page move. This can be requested at Requested Moves, but if you expect that your move would be at all controversial, you should first obtain a consensus on the article talk page, in a discussion with other editors. 331dot (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

i want to add some wonderfully true actual stories about arnost lustig who took 4 semester of film studies at american university in the early 70's - can somebody help me with this?

if so write me back at [redacted]  108.48.0.82 (talk) 14:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Have those factual stories been properly published anywhere? If not, we cannot accept personal memories, anecdotes, or content from personal websites etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

If you have published independent reliable sources for these stories, you can ask for assistance at the article's talk page: Talk:Arnošt Lustig. Note that many Wikipedia editors prefer to have Wikipedia-related discussion on Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Should this article be draftified?

It's incomplete and lacks citations. Excellenc1 (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Good spot! I have moved it to Draftspace. I wouldn't have done so had it not referred to the 2021 election being held in 2015 and delayed because of the pandemic - all seeming gobbledegook, and no ability to verify anything with going to French Wikipedia and speaking French. So I'm sure its creator, Moondragon21, will want to address these shortcomings before returning it to mainspace. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: It appears that the article has been draftified while you were still trying to make an edit. A history merge from Draft:2021 French departmental elections to 2021 French departmental elections is thus needed. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GeoffreyT2000: The article is now merged to the draft, not sure if I did it right. Excellenc1 (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a newspaper article I found in a book?

I would like to cite an article from the St. Augustine Weekly News (17 January 1889) that appears on page 5 of a book called Out of the Shadows but I'm not sure how to properly format the citation. Can anyone help with this? If examples from wiki pages were included that would be very helpful. Thanks! Trillkat (talk) 15:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the URL you provided, it doesn't seem to mention the title of the newspaper article. Therefore, I suggest you WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT and cite the book. GoingBatty (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:Would something like this work:

An article from the St. Augustine Weekly News puts it this way:

The colored employees of the Hotel Ponce de Leon will play a game today at the fort grounds with a picked nine from the Alcazar. As both teams possess some of the best colored baseball talent in the United States [,] being largely composed of the famous Cuban Giants, the game is likely to be an interesting one.

Thanks for your response! Trillkat (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Sure! You could even write "An 1889 article..." if that helps explain the context. GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Got it, thanks again! Trillkat (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter

The Wikipedia information Ramah Chapter

The Ramah Navajo Chapter was represented by Chief Class Counsel Michael P. Gross and Co-Class Counsel C. Bryant Rogers. Carter G. Phillips argued on their behalf that this was a simple contract case to which the Ferris doctrine applied.2603:3000:E2C:E000:C3F:A42D:5068:7B20 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC) 2603:3000:E2C:E000:C3F:A42D:5068:7B20 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have a reliable independent source WP:RS that verifies the information you suggest here then you can make this suggestion at the articles talk page (Talk:Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter) or make the edits yourself. :) --ARoseWolf 17:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Can we make plot synopses from primary sources alone?

So if I understand the rule correctly, we're not allowed to summarise a primary source because this is synthesis or original research. But what about for a wiki article on a book? Are we not allowed to summarise the plot if we can't find it summarised in a secondary source? This argument has been made in an AfD discussion (imo mainly because the editors don't like the contents of the book). You'll notice that the entire "plot" section of this (1) page is also unreferenced, but I don't see anyone arguing we should remove the section, because no one has an agenda against the page. Can anyone clarify? Ficaia (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Ficaia (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia Yup, that is generally fine, see MOS:PLOTSOURCE. Like with everything else around here, sometimes discussion is needed. Wether the work meets the demands of WP:GNG etc is another matter. See also MOS:PLOTLENGTH. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Be very careful to only summarize the plot, and not make any commentary on it or make extrapolations from it. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

is the Giampaolo Group notable

 2605:8D80:621:C2E6:59FD:4DCF:1A30:D8D0 (talk) 18:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I think you're talking about this company? If so, I don't think that they are particularly notable - there are some news results, but most of them appear to be passing mentions. If you can find 3 reliable sources that go in-depth about the company, feel free to make a draft and then submit it at Wikipedia:Articles for Creation. Wgullyn (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

adding links to pages in other languages

Hello - I tried to add a link to this page https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Owen on this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Owen and vice versa, but each time I get the notice that the respective page could not be found. What do I do wrong? Thanks. Heinzelcheese (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! This should work: [[id:Sri Owen]]. Hope this helps! —GMX^{(on the go!)} 17:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Heinzelcheese: There's already a relationship between these articles at Wikidata, so readers at the English Wikipedia can go to the Sri Owen article, go to the "Languages" section of the lefthand toolbar, and click the "Bahasa Indonesia" link to get to id:Sri Owen. You shouldn't add any links to id:Sri Owen within the English Wikipedia Sri Owen article. GoingBatty (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Right, but @Heinzelcheese: if you are wanting to add a link within the article to the other-language article, it's different. Say for instance the English article mentions the song "Dodenrit (Death Ride)". You'd like to link to the article so the reader can learn more, but we don't have an article on the English Wikipedia for that song. But there is one on the Dutch Wikipedia, titled just "Dodenrit". So, to link that, you would write this: {{interlanguage link|"Dodenrit" (''Death Ride'')|nl|Dodenrit}}

• The first part is the name of the template (interlanguage link).
• The second part is what you want to appear within the English article to reader of the English article. In this case it is this: "Dodenrit (Death Ride)" including the quote marks as song names take quote marks here. (The part around Death Ride are double apostrophes to make it italic, not quote marks.)
• The third part is the two-letter code for the language. For Dutch it is "nl". (At the end of our article Country code is a list of the two-letter code for all countries.)
• The fourth part is the name of the article in the foreign language Wikipedia, Dutch Wikipedia in this case.

This will show the the text you wrote for the English-language reader, followed by a little blue like "nl". Clicking that link show takes the reader to the Dutch article "Dodenrit". See the end of the article Throw to the wolves for this example in context. Message me if you need more help. And happy Wiki'ing!

Help with Redirect

Hi everyone, I have made a redirect to this article Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah to Gifty Oware-Mensah but I made a mistake in my initial redirect, instead of Article redirect I made it wikipedia redirect. It look different as it should when someone want to view, so a kind gesture of someone work on it would be pretty good. Thanks.Jwale2 (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2: If you need help on how to make a redirect please read WP:REDIRECT. Hope this helps. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Also it looks like the accidental redirect you made is going to be speedily deleted because someone noticed the accident so you are going to be fine. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX (on the go) requested a speedy deletion of Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah on the grounds it was obviously done in error which is confirmed by Jwale2. If we can help you with anything else @Jwale2 please let us know. Happy Editing! --ARoseWolf 19:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think they wanted the erroneous redirect (Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah) deleted. If so (@Jwale2:), I've already tagged it for speedy deletion, and an admin will delete it shortly. Hope this helps. —GMX^{(on the go!)} 19:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18:, @ARoseWolf:, @PorkchopGMX:, thank you guys for the quick response.Jwale2 (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem @Jwale2: ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia’s policy on using a quote that contains a curse

If I’m quoting a police record in which someone curses and it is important enough for me to add. How should I format it? Put in the first letter and than put astrics or hashtags for the rest of the letters (_*** or _###)? Or should I not censor it whatsoever? Just to make it clear, it is the quote from the man is alleged albeit taken from a “police source”. Megabits13 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13 Megabits13 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Megabits13 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm first wondering what the need to quote a police record is, and if it is available to the general public. Regardless, Wikipedia is not censored. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I would urge you to read WP:BLPCRIME. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The topic is Jacobi medical center’s recent shooting and the quote explains the shooter’s motive Megabits13 (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13

Russ Whitney

Russ Whitney Hello, I was trying to find a webpage about Russ Whitney but nothing has come up. I've heard controversial statements about him, apparently a successful entrepreneur who used a lot of get rich quick schemes. Is there any reason that no wiki page or almost any page can be found about him other than a NY Time article?

Thanks! 158.106.205.2 (talk) 19:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! It doesn't look like there are many news sources on that person. If you can find at least 3 in-depth, reliable sources on them, you can write a draft article and submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Cheers! Wgullyn (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I will also add that if you are to creat an article on them I would suggest reading Help:your first article and WP:GNG (to ensure it passes the notability guidelines). ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse! Since you cannot find multiple independent reliable sources about Whitney, which would be necessary to demonstrate how Whitney would meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion - called "notability", that could be why no one has created a Wikipedia article about him. GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Question re. a return to editing

Hi! I'd asked this question once before at the help desk, but now I have the information I need to change an article. To recap, I left the project a few years ago as an administrator in good stead. Unfortunately, I was stalked by vandals across multiple sites and finally had to enlist the aid of law enforcement and the Wikimedia Foundation. Here's my present issue. I work for a company which just purchased two local radio stations and while the main article on the flagship station has been updated, the information is incorrect. I've been asked to update the information and I can cite references such as print articles. I'm more than happy to create an account, but I don't wish to be suspected of spamming the site with ads. Believe me, I know the ropes and the last thing I'd want to do is to have any work reverted and/or have a new account blocked. If I were to establish an account, I will gladly link to it here at the Teahouse to prevent any misunderstandings. Thanks and I'm looking forward to contributing once again...but no more vandal hunting! 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7852:6140:57F8:572E (talk) 02:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! Just to make it easier until you create an account, what was your previous username? I'd simply prefer to you as something other than IP. Also, I don't think you should get blamed for advertising as long as you provide reliable sources. Also, are you possibly being WP:PAID or do you just have a WP:COI? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, if they're an employee and they've been asked by a superior to make updates, that is definitely WP:PAID. IP, you'll have to make a paid editing disclosure. To avoid the appearance of 'spamming the site with adds' just make suggestions on the associated talk page, see the instructions at {{requestedit}} - MrOllie (talk) 02:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I should have introduced myself. I started as "Lucky 6.9" and eventually started a second and final account as "PMDrive1061." I blocked access to both before I was "de-sysopped" so that I wouldn't be tempted to return. I mentioned to the owner of the station that paid editing is a no-no, that I would make the changes on my own and eventually transition back to regular editing. If, however, you'd be more comfortable if I were to state I were paid, I have no problem with that. I simply didn't want to run afoul of the COI issue and cause any misunderstandings. I'll definitely leave word on the article talk page. The article itself is KWXY. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7852:6140:57F8:572E (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

A WP:EDITREQ posted to the article talk page would avoid potential issues. Also include a WP:PAID declaration of course. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Roger. I'll do that. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:94AC:4E9A:7C02:8B4A (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

en.m.wikipedia.org

HELP! I’m in the modified version of the Encyclopedia. It says en.m.wikipedia.org instead of en.wikipedia.org. How do I change it? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:64B0:E80B:A595:623A (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem should be fixed if you remove the 'm' from the URL. That is, the URL should be en.wikipedia.org. The 'm' just changes the page styling. There are no other changes. Kpddg ^(talk) 02:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: Every time I remove the 'm' it always brings it back, Why is the URL so strange? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:64B0:E80B:A595:623A (talk) 02:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are on a mobile device, it will default to the "m" (for "mobile) version. It displays better on the small screen. But if you're on a big screen the other version is better. You probably got there by following a link that somebody sent from a mobile device (at least, that's how it normally happens for me).--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are on a mobile and want to force in onto the desktop version of the site, a toggle switch between mobile and desktop view is available at the bottom of every page. You can read more about the difference at Help:Mobile access.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)