Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

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XFD backlog

V	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Total
CfD	0	0	0	23	23
TfD	0	0	0	4	4
MfD	0	0	0	1	1
FfD	0	0	1	2	3
RfD	0	0	2	43	45
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

• If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
• If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
• If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
• Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

• Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
• Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

• The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
• Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
• If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
• Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
• RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
• Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
• In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

• a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
• if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

STEP I.	Tag the redirect(s).   Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page. Please do not mark the edit as minor (m). Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]. Save the page ("Publish changes"). If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page. If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.
STEP II.	List the entry on RfD.  Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries. Enter this text below the date heading: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~ For this template: Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=. Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=). Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating). To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~ If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.	Notify users.   It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template {{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~ may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

• Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

December 29

2017-18 Vitória de Guimarães B season

• 2017-18 Vitória de Guimarães B season → Vitória S.C. B  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Page with no relevance, recently created and without history, so even the title is about a season and therefore has no importance for the Wikipedia project. 44 Gabriel (talk) 11:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

2014–15 Vitória S.C. B season

• 2014–15 Vitória S.C. B season → Vitória S.C. B  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Page with no relevance so even the title is about a season and therefore has no importance for the Wikipedia project. 44 Gabriel (talk) 11:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

2014-15 Vitoria de Guimaraes B season

• 2014-15 Vitoria de Guimaraes B season → Vitória S.C. B  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Page with no relevance and no history so even the title is about a season and therefore has no importance for the Wikipedia project. 44 Gabriel (talk) 11:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Starz Entertainment

• Starz Entertainment → Starz  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The original Lionsgate was renamed as "Starz Entertainment Corp." as of November 2024. Because of this renaming, we need to retarget the redirect into the newly-renamed article in preparation of actual WP:RM to more simple name, and WP:NCCORP stats that we not need to use "Corp." or "Ltd" suffix for article naming unless it had been used for legal purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.111.100.82 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Fixed nomination which was malformed, and tagged the nominated redirect. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 10:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate retarget to Starz (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 11:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Round 6

• Round 6 → Squid Game  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Round Six → Squid Game  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Generic title, round 6 can refer to anything, not only its original title DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Bundled both nominations that share the same target and rationale. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I sorely agree that "round 6/six" is a very bland and generic expression – yet it remains both as the original title and the chosen localized title in some countries. Un Lucas Pestana (talk) 12:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Blunt weapon

• Blunt weapon → Blunt instrument  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's starting to look like blunt instrument may become a redirect. Either way, a blunt weapon is not the same as a blunt instrument. IMO, it should either redirect to weapon and be mentioned somewhere, or be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for the fate of the current target article and do the same. While I agree that "weapon" and instrument" are not the same ("weapon" means intended use while "instrument" in this context means occasional use), their usage and consequences thereof are the same and splitting hairs would be reasonable only in presence of RS. Ny presefence would be redirectr to blunt trauma --Altenmann >talk 18:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think regardless of the fate of the article, "blunt weapon" is used in more contexts than "blunt instrument" is. The latter is solely a legal term. And it would be WP:SURPRISE for someone to be looking for a weapon and be sent to medical trauma. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: It looks like that AfD Blunt instrument is leaning to keep. And from your comment it looks like it makes sense to suggest page renaming/redirect reversal. --Altenmann >talk 23:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yevethan thrustship

• Yevethan thrustship → List of Star Wars spacecraft  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

For the same reason that I proposed that thrustship be deleted: the target section was deemed by the community to be "fancruft", and thus was removed, rendering the redirect useless. ZFT (talk) 06:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Brahuistan Province

• Brahuistan Province → Administrative units of Pakistan#Proposed provinces  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This may require an expert on the region, which I am not. Regardless, the namespace is not mentioned in the targeted section nor the entire article about administrative units of Pakistan. Brahuistan is the name of a historic region and while it has a nationalist movement, I can find no evidence that it has been proposed as a new province of Pakistan, as implied by the redirect. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Complex math

• Complex math → Complex number  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Complex mathematics → Complex number  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Complex numbers aren't the only complex part of math though? For one, several people have lamented (publicly and privately) about how stuff like calculus and algebra are complex as well. For second, what's considered complex can be different from person to person (for example, a 6-year-old would think something like "8/4" is the hardest question ever made whereas a recreational mathematician could probably do it easily), so complex numbers might not actually be that complex to certain people. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. The phrase is inherently ambiguous, and readers have better to search separately its components complex and math. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.Lazard (talk • contribs)
• Delete per D.Lazard. One aspect of the problem is that "complex" has a technical meaning in math (referring to the complex numbers) and a colloquial meaning in general (something like complicated or difficult). Mgnbar (talk) 13:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment – I've bundled in Complex mathematics. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep: this certainly is very ambiguous between the two meanings. However, for one meaning (complex numbers) we have a good target and for the other meaning (complicated in general) we don't. Therefore I'm leaning towards this redirect being ok. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Additionally, unlike many areas of mathematics like calculus, geometry, etc., the study of complex numbers doesn't really have a better name as far as I know. Whilst perhaps incorrect (and therefore a {{R from incorrect name}}), "complex mathematics" is a decent guess at what it might be called. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, obviously. Sure, you could say there's ambiguity between "complex math" and "math that's complex" in the same way that if you wanted to you could assert there's some ambiguity between Big apple and an apple that's big. There's no article for the general concept of "math that's complicated", and even if there were, Complex number would still be the correct target for "complex math". I'd be fine with a hatnote if anyone genuinely feels there's some confusion. BugGhost 🦗👻 00:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Nobody uses the phrase "complex mathematics" for this. When I typed "complex mathematics" into a Google scholar search, not a single result from the first 50 meant complex in the sense of complex numbers. Most of them were about "complex mathematics" tasks in education, meaning difficult, complicated, or advanced. –jacobolus (t) 04:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's a redirect, not an article title - it doesn't need to be the exact phrase scholars use. This article covers the accepted meaning of "complex" used in mathematics, and so the redirect is correct. We also don't (and probably shouldn't) have an article on the subjective concept of "difficult mathematics". BugGhost 🦗👻 08:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  There are lots of accepted meanings of "complex" in mathematics; see below. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, not a phrase which is meaningful or widely used as a unit. Curious readers should be looking up "complex" in Wiktionary and "mathematics" here, or else going to complex analysis or complex number. These titles have no inbound wikilinks from article namespace, another indication that they aren't very useful. –jacobolus (t) 04:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  To clarify, you're suggesting that if someone knows that there's a concept in mathematics using the name "complex" and wants to learn more about it, they shouldn't be allowed to search "complex math" on wikipedia, they should instead search the first word on a different website and the second word here? Or alternatively, the user should just come into knowledge of more specific terms (complex analysis or complex number), presumably through extra research on some more accomodating website, and then search it here? How on earth would that be a good experience for a reader? Why would any of that be necessary or expected? BugGhost 🦗👻 09:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. If we had articles on both the technical meaning and the colloquial meaning we could make a disambiguation page, or choose a primary topic with a hatnote. But we don't (Mathematics Made Difficult doesn't count), and we don't generally let the existence of a non-notable colloquial meaning get in the way of giving articles or redirects on technical topics their correct names. In technical mathematics, this can only mean the mathematics of complex numbers (unless maybe someone trying to be cute has used it for the mathematics of cell complexes), and complex number is the correct redirect target. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  "giving articles or redirects on technical topics their correct names". Are you saying that "complex math(ematics)" is a "correct name" for "complex numbers"? ZFT (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RASTONISH (I couldn't really find somewhere more appropriate for such a vague term either). The plain meaning of this term is just difficult/technical/etc., not related to the complex numbers. A reasonable person looking for info on the complex numbers that already knows something about them will look up something like "complex numbers". A reasonable person looking for info about the topic that doesn't know anything about them will look for the term they found it referred to as, which will be something like the "complex numbers". The current target is misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  I really don't think it's astonishing for Complex math to redirect to the article on the well known mathematical study of complex numbers, I would think it would be astonishing if it went anywhere else. The "plain meaning" of something doesn't hold any weight for a redirect when there is an obvious specific topic that fits instead (see my Big apple vs "an apple that is big" example above). BugGhost 🦗👻 14:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  Complex number is certainly not "an obvious specific topic" for "complex math". On the opposite, I think that many (if not most) people searching for "complex math" do not know anything of complex numbers, since people using "math" instead of "mathematics" have generally a very low mathematical level and do not know complex numbers at all. Also, when searched, "complex math" is probably written as an altenative of "difficult math" or "advanced math". So, for there readers, redirecting to complex number goes against WP:ASTONISH. D.Lazard (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  since people using "math" instead of "mathematics" have generally a very low mathematical level and do not know complex numbers at all - Is this a serious claim? Any source for that, or just a gut instinct insult? I've got a maths degree and wouldn't bat an eye at either math, maths or mathematics being used to describe it. Also, where I am from, complex numbers are taught to 14 year olds, who generally feel no elitist need to say "mathematics" all the time, but still have the ability to understand the topic. BugGhost 🦗👻 18:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  I do have to say that I think reading anything into "math" vs. "mathematics" is inappropriate...regardless, this is an implausible, vague search topic, and if you really want to get into the weeds, who's to say that this hypothetical searcher isn't looking for Complex analysis instead? That's a whole ass branch whole-ass branch of math. And before you cry "disambiguate", no, just delete. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  Your "Big Apple" analogy fails completely for a couple reasons -- 1) it's a very well established nickname for the city in widespread use, as opposed to "complex mathematics", which is not, and 2) people would be very unlikely to search for the topic of a large apple, whereas a search for advanced (or higher, or upper level, etc etc) mathematics is a lot more reasonable. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think the likelihood of someone searching "complicated math" is as about likely as someone searching "large apples", as both terms are too vague and ill defined to be articles. I genuinely don't understand the logic of saying this redirect should be deleted because it is allegedly ambiguous with a subjective, vague topic that doesn't (and won't ever) have an article. If it is ambigous with something that isn't at all suitable to be an article then there is no ambiguity at all, and the original target should remain. BugGhost 🦗👻 01:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  "Complex math" isn't a topic. It's a vague phrase that nobody uses to refer to the redirect target, and a plain reading suggests it's more likely to mean higher mathematics (while we don't have an article specifically about that, we very well could...most any university math degree curriculum contains something like a "transition to higher mathematics" course) than to mathematics about the complex numbers. If you really insist on the latter, again, why the complex numbers, and not complex analysis? Or are you suggesting that this is merely a couple keywords smushed together? If that's the case, we shouldn't be redirecting based on that, but even if we should, then also why not abstract cell complex, CW complex, chain complex, complex manifold, simplicial complex, etc. etc? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Re: "why not a bunch of other articles with the word complex in?" - Because they are clearly not the primary topic. Complex analysis is the study of functions that use complex numbers (extension of real analysis), and so not the introductory base article for the concept of complex numbers. The rest of the articles you listed are not serious suggestions - they are arbitrary articles you picked out of a hat that no one is suggesting, and are obviously more niche and very unlikely to be what the user is trying to find when searching "complex math".

  The study of complex numbers is not a niche topic - I feel some participants are confusing the topic with a some novelty number classification, like lucky numbers or happy numbers. Complex numbers are a hugely important pillar of modern mathematics and have usages that are both influential and applied. They underpin essential concepts in signal processing, computer graphics and quantum physics (examples linked), and dozens of other fields. It is undoubtedly the primary topic. If you need evidence of this, please see David Eppstein's vote above, as his view on this topic should be given some weight. BugGhost 🦗👻 11:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. The study and usage of complex numbers is not normally referred to as "complex math". I agree with jacobolus (04:19, 22 December 2024). Adumbrativus (talk) 00:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The term "complex" in its technical sense is used with various nouns (complex number, complex plane, complex analysis, complex conjugate, etc.). The phrase "complex math" is not much of a stretch, so it's a plausible search term for this topic. As for the colloquial sense of "complex", I agree with User:Bugghost: what would a reader be looking for? It seems unlikely that an encyclopedia would have an article on the vague and subjective topic of "math that's complicated". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, disambiguate, or hatnote. Just because "complex" has a specific meaning within mathematics, doesn't mean that "complex math" should redirect there, due to the fact that there are other possible interpretations of the phrase; redirecting "complex math" to "complex numbers" implies that the latter is the only instance of, or is synonymous with, the former. Put another way, even though "complex math" (the subjective/vague meaning) doesn't/shouldn't have it's own article, but "complex numbers" does, the latter is (arguably) a subset of the former; having a term with multiple (potential) meanings pointing to only one of several seems inappropriate to me, because that leads to incorrect assumptions/implications. A redirect should take you to the topic you are looking for, not a subset of it; if there are multiple (potential) meanings/interpretations, then a disambiguation page is more appropriate, or at least a hatnote at the primary topic. ZFT (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Complex#Mathematics. In the disambiguation subsection the reader can find related terms to it. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  That seems much more reasonable. I do not agree with BugGhost's and Eppstein's reasoning; redirects should be as direct and straightforward as possible. Your proposal therefore seems like the best solution. ZFT (talk) 07:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  But none of those terms would ever be called "complex math". I've also trimmed that section down, as it was rife with WP:PTMs. I was conservative in my removal, but I still wound up removing several. The dab page is a bad target, and a bad target is worse than no target at all. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  If they would never be called that, then why are we having this discussion? ZFT (talk) 08:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is a fair enough compromise - I personally don't think it's necessary as complex numbers are the clear primary topic in my view, but this disambiguation is a far better choice than deleting. I'd be fine with this as an outcome. BugGhost 🦗👻 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Common lime

• Common lime → Papilio demoleus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Common Lime → Papilio demoleus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no evidence that a primary subject has been specified, as Papilio demoleus is commonly called the Common lime butterfly, but "Common lime" more commonly refers to the tree Tilia × europaea. KOLANO12 3 09:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Tilia × europaea, which my searches indicate is the primary topic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• I just added Common Lime to this RfD; that redirect hasn't been touched since it was created on 5 April 2006. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• I created the sentence-case redirect on 5 January 2015, in response to this 4 January 2015 edit by William Avery whose rationale was "Downcasing per MOS:LIFE" (I patrol for untruthful hats) – wbm1058 (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Pinging @Bjh21:, who created the title-case redirect. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Based on my other edits that day, I think I came across the butterfly article for other reasons and noticed that it started with a common name ("The Common Lime or the Lime Butterfly is a common Swallowtail butterfly.") and there wasn't a redirect at that name. So I don't think I considered the tree at all, and would have no objection to the retargeting. --bjh21 (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate. The shade tree is definitely more primary than the butterfly, but is it more primary than the citrus (which can be called a common lime to distinguish it from other kinds of limes such as kaffir limes or key limes)? —David Eppstein (talk) 08:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate is my first inclination as well. Besides the butterfly and the plant which is not closely related to the lime fruit tree, (common) lime most commonly refers to Lime (fruit), Lime (material), and Lime (color). – wbm1058 (talk) 17:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to the Tilia × europaea. As far as I can find, "common lime" is used exclusively to refer to this, and never to the butterfly, the fruit, the material, etc. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's difficult to search because of all the colloquial usages, but here's an example citing "common lime" for the fruit: [1]. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Well, you managed to find one that uses this (even our article doesn't, and this source wouldn't be valid to support adding it in either), and with that in hand, the first thing I found here directly contradicts this usage, saying the key lime is a variant of the "common lime" rather than a synonym for it. Regardless, if such heroic searching is required to find this, then the tree is pretty clearly the PTOPIC, and a hatnote there can point back to the dab page for anyone actually looking for the fruit (or something else), although I think that's still overkill. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  I searched Britannica for "common lime" and at the top of their list was European linden which is a red link here, hah! Second on the list was "Lime (tree and fruit, Citrus species)". What I did not see in their search results, even after scrolling way, way, down, was any butterfly. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguation draft made Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 16:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Why? As I noted above, there's a very clear PTOPIC for this term, so what would be the point of this? We already have a dab page at Lime itself, so why do we need another here? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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• This is somewhat nuanced and complicated. Lime tree, as listed on the Lime#Botany disambiguation, is Tilia, a genus of about 30 species of trees. The "common lime tree" is Tilia × europaea, a naturally occurring hybrid between Tilia cordata and Tilia platyphyllos, two Tilia (lime) species. It is often the commonest Tilia species in urban areas and along avenues and streets, which I suppose, is how it got the name "common". Redirecting to the Lime dab catches Tilia, but misses the target Tilia × europaea. Whereas there is no difference between lime butterfly and common lime butterfly – those both redirect to Papilio demoleus. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Love and Longing in Bombay

• Love and Longing in Bombay → Vikram Chandra (novelist)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Notable book. Has at least one interwiki. Should a red link per WP:RED (otherwise it messes up the interlanguage link template). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:NavigationAustianChampionsFigureSkatingMen

• Template:NavigationAustianChampionsFigureSkatingMen → Template:NavigationAustrianFigureSkatingChampionsMen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It doesn't appear that this redirect is currently in use on any articles. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Quapauw tornado

• Quapauw tornado → 2008 Picher–Neosho tornado  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Rare mispelling of Quapaw (four hits total for this spelling, none related to the tornado). Most google hits for the correctly spelled version of the term seem to refer to the 2014 tornado (see e.g. this article, which we don't have an article for. Rusalkii (talk) 03:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete Must've misspelled it on accident. E_F⁵ 03:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Picher deadly tornado

• Picher deadly tornado → 2008 Picher–Neosho tornado  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No references at all to this phrasing anywhere in the target or online. Doesn't seem to be particularly useful as a search term over Picher tornado which already points to the target. Rusalkii (talk) 03:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Smasnug

• Smasnug → Samsung  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This REALLY doesn't seem like a plausible misspelling for "Samsung". If anything, this should redirect to Shanzhai as "Smasnug" is a semi-infamous Shanzhai producer User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 02:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment It's not exactly a *plausible* misspelling of the name, but it is an *intentional* misspelling... an intentional misspelling used by counterfeiters when selling fake Samsung products [2], and spread widely as a meme by YouTuber DankPods. RachelTensions (talk) 03:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, not mentioned at target, and no indication why it redirects there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Planet B (TV series)

• Planet B (TV series) → Mnet (TV channel)#Upcoming programming  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in any part of the target page. 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 02:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Planet B is a former name of Boys II Planet. Aidillia^(talk) 02:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

So i don't know that the title was changed. Aidillia^(talk) 02:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep Planet B was the name that "Boys II Planet" was originally announced under. ([3]). It'll likely be retargeted to that article once the show gets underway and the article is moved out of the drafts. RachelTensions (talk) 03:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The Xian H-8

• The Xian H-8 → Xi'an H-8  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Xian H-8 bomber → Xi'an H-8  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Proposing deletion as these two are implausible redirects - people are not going to search for an aircraft as "The [Manufacturer] [Designation]", and even less so as "The [Manufactuer] [Designation] [aircraft type]". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

December 28

User talk:BlackBot

• User talk:BlackBot → User talk:BlackBot (usurped)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from an user's talk page to another unrelated user's talk page, created by an uninvolved third person. Suggesting to delete. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I, the “uninvolved third person“, created the redirect because I assumed that both bots are by the same person. If they are in fact unrelated, then it should definetly be deleted. Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. -- -- -- 06:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Forkknife

• Forkknife → Fortnite  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Likely originated as a joke redirect, but unclear target as is (fork or knife?). Recommending deletion, as it does not benefit Wikipedia. TNstingray (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep The creator, Sandstein, explained the reasoning on the redirect page: The use of the name "fork knife" has been reported [4]. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  It is also a plausible mondegreen. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Per Masem, Redirect to Fortnite Battle Royale, where it is mentioned. I struggle to see how redirecting a to a linguistics article with the term as a passing example is helpful. We don't have redirects like breakhead(literal translation of Spanish word rompecabeza) targetting puzzle. Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, Forkknife (without a space) unambigously refers to the fortnite meme. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Dvandva, where it's a literal translation of an example term. The reference to fortnite is unmentioned, and I expect anyone who wants information about that will be left at a loss, since the article has none, making the redirect inappropriate. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: No pages currently link here; there have been 33 page views in the past 90 days (16 on November 21). Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note that Fork Knife was redirected to Knife and Fork at the recently concluded WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Fork Knife. Jay 💬 16:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect: Per Jay, there is another redirect Fork Knife was discussed and concluded as retarget on WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Fork Knife. Now as there is another redirect related to such is available, this should go the same way. Also the creators claim is not a vulnerable fact cause Fork Knife was also like that.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 03:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete We now have four proposed places this can go: Fortnite, Knife and Fork, Dvandva, Fortnite Battle Royale. Unless there some reason one of them has an overwhelming claim of dominance over the others this is best left red since we can't really disambiguate misspellings. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Knife and Fork is a disambiguation page mainly consisting of topics that include the exact phrase "Knife and Fork" or similar; nothing on that page (besides Fortnite) seems plausible for this search term. In Dvandva, this is a word-for-word gloss of an example in Greek, so not a plausible search term there either. In my opinion the only plausible targets are the Fortnite ones; I'm not sure which of them is better. Deleting would also be reasonable. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Knife and Fork (disambiguation), which covers the combination "fork-knife" and "knife-fork" -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

DuPage 3

• DuPage 3 → DuPage County, Illinois  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Du Page 3 → DuPage County, Illinois  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Group of neighborhoods previously WP:BLARd no longer mentioned in target article. Delete unless it is mentioned somewhere else. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Maybe Illinois = Ill = III = 3? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

  No, this is from the article before the merger: The Du Page 3 refers to the Chicago suburbs of Burr Ridge, Hinsdale, and Oak Brook. Not mentioned in the article. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
  

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• Delete to add to the comment above, possibly related to Illinois's 3rd congressional district? Perhaps also a county district: map of District 3 on the DuPage county website? Either way, completely not obvious as neither are valid targets, so delete is more appropriate.Shazback (talk) 16:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• It was not a BLAR, it was merged, and I have tagged DuPage 3 as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 06:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Note that the merge didn't stick, it was revered by the same editor "per cn tag". -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: No pages currently link to DuPage 3; it has had 7 page views in the 90 days prior to the RFD. No pages currently link to Du Page 3; it had 2 page views in the 90 days before the RFD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Significa liberdade (talk • contribs) 04:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete, there is no extant content at the target from the former article under these redirects so attribution is not required. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  It is generally considered to still be required. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  There is no content that needs to be attributed—the merge was reverted. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  As I said, attribution is generally considered to remain required even for removed content. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  No, any old revision has a disclaimer at the bottom of the page for this purpose (emphasis added): This version of the page has been revised. Besides normal editing, the reason for revision may have been that this version contains factual inaccuracies, vandalism, or material not compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Whilst removing unattributed content does prevent future harm, it does not resolve the underlying issue that when this content was in DuPage County, Illinois, its attribution was lacking. If the text was reused in another Wikipedia article or elsewhere on the Internet or in books, etc. whilst it was around, that presently remains a failure in attribution that is only worsened by the deletion of this redirect's history without recording it. WP:CWW presumably does not list now-unused content as an exception for reasons along these lines, and that is what editors have previously found AFAICR (previous discussion). J947 ‡ ^edits 00:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Adventure

• The Wikipedia Adventure → Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 30 § The Wikipedia Adventure – retarget

WP:CNR. M.C. (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete WP:XNR to non-reader content. Clearly this is editorship content, and not close to encyclopedic. Article-space is WP:NOT a game service -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: note page history – former article. Also note The Wikipedia Adventure/Portal. J947 ‡ ^edits 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a good XNR. We should not expect total newbies, the demographic taking part in TWA, to understand namespaces at this point as editors. So this redirect is very helpful in both getting them where they want to go and perhaps even teaching them about namespaces. TWA is not mentioned in mainspace, but there is Wikipedia – The Text Adventure for which there may be some ambiguity. J947 ‡ ^edits 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. This is one of those rare times where we want someone who doesn't know what they're doing to fall into the interworkings of the Wikipedia. Since The Wikipedia Adventure is a tutorial, we can't assume someone knows about the different namespaces and how to use them. Someone searching this is undoubtedly looking for Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure, so let's give it to them! The worst thing that can happen is someone finding a tutorial on how to edit Wikipedia (which is a good thing, right?). -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Offensive content in YouTube

• Offensive content in YouTube → YouTube moderation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There might be a few places this could redirect to, including YouTube and YouTube moderation. I've recently declined a speedy request on the basis that this is probably a useful redirect title, though I do want to hear other opinions on which way the best way forward. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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2024 CSA Provincial T20 Cup

• 2024 CSA Provincial T20 Cup → 2024 CSA Provincial T20 Cup (March)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There were two CSA Provincial T20 Cups in 2024, one in March and one in October. Incoming links should be re-targeted, and this should be made a disambiguation page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per nom. J947 ‡ ^edits 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

List of federal lands in Alaska

• List of federal lands in Alaska → List of areas in the United States National Park System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• List of federal lands in Arizona → List of areas in the United States National Park System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• List of federal lands in Oregon → List of areas in the United States National Park System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• List of federal lands in Virginia → List of areas in the United States National Park System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• List of federal lands in New York → List of areas in the United States National Park System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target only includes federal lands that are part of the national park system, omitting large national forests and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management, among others. Delete to encourage article creation. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• I don't see why we can't stubbify all of these titles right away. BD2412 T 14:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: I just created a list of this sort under List of federal lands in Alaska. This can be replicated, and expanded with the suggested categories of information. BD2412 T 14:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

But like the redirect target, the stub is missing national forests, BLM lands, military lands, etc.. Not opposed to creating list articles at these titles of course, but until someone wants to undertake making a comprehensive list, these should be red. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

So fix it. BD2412 T 03:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete all per nom. The newly created list basically duplicates List of the United States National Park System official units#Alaska and related pages, is wildly incomplete since there's far more than NPS areas, and incorrectly includes sites that are affiliated but not actually federal land; this should draftified or also deleted. I don't think these should be hastily made just for the sake of it. Some states instead have a related list of protected areas that includes state lands. Reywas92^Talk 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Stuybbify/Listify per BD2412 above. Reywas92 above says that this duplicates the Park System article, but the whole point of this is that while there is overlap, this isn't an identical list-- federal lands include more areas than just the parks, although it will include the parks as well. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Forcible confinement

• Forcible confinement → Solitary confinement  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 December 23 § Forcible confinement – delete

Title is not exclusive to the target, and was previously deleted at RfD in 2019 for the same reason when it targeted kidnapping. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Imprisonment, as a general and synonymous term, while hard to see anything more specific being appropriate. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)>

  Actually, make that to Confinement, which does have some other plausible topics, per the previous discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Confinement as suggested above; confinement can certainly be forcible without being solitary. Carguychris (talk) 18:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

2026 European Figure Skating Championships

• 2026 European Figure Skating Championships → European Figure Skating Championships  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Way WP:TOOSOON. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Great Dane (artwork)

• Great Dane (artwork) → Great Dane#Great Dane (artwork)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of any artwork in the target page, though there've been a couple of attempts to shoehorn it in. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment an etching by Sybilla Mittell Weber called "Great Dane" appears in her article -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

2028 Queensland state election

• 2028 Queensland state election → Legislative Assembly of Queensland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Next Queensland state election → Legislative Assembly of Queensland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think the next Queensland state election, scheduled for 2028, deserves its own page. It would make sense to stop redirecting the title to the Legislative Assembly page so that there's a dedicated space for election-specific information. GarbageKarate (talk) 10:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: This isn't really an issue for RFD. If you want to turn the redirect into a new article, you're free to do so. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. Wrong venue. @GarbageKarate: anyone including you may turn this into an article at any time. J947 ‡ ^edits 20:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Note that this was originally left as a closing comment. Following discussion with J947 at their talk page, I'm reopening this. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, who is making a classic WP:RETURNTORED argument. The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Mayonesa Cigarro

• Mayonesa Cigarro → Simone Weil  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is Spanish for "mayonnaise cigarette", and doesn't appear to have any connection to Simone Weil. (NPP action) jlwoodwa (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be a Twitter meme, from circa 2022, that nobody really understands. The redirect postdates the meme, so I don't think we have an intentional hoax here, but equally from one of those Twitter hits it looks as if the origin might have been in some vandalism of the Simone Weil page. Would delete absent compelling evidence that the meme has taken off and people might genuinely be searching for "Mayonesa Cigarro". UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as removal of vandalized page move (it doesn't matter if it became a meme, it's still a vandalized page move) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

⚧︎

• ⚧︎ → LGBTQ symbols  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• ⚲ → LGBTQ symbols  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• ⚧️ → LGBTQ symbols  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• ⚤ → Heterosexuality  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• ⚦ → LGBTQ symbols  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• ⚧ → LGBTQ symbols  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Last discussion suggests to retarget. Another comment is that ⚧︎ is also used as a toilet pictogram, and they are all covered in Gender_symbol#Sexual orientation and gender politics. LIrala (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Unclear what you are proposing. Gonnym (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to the last section mentioned. LIrala (talk) 22:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I like the idea of retargeting them all to LGBTQ symbols. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Melee weapon

• Melee weapon → Weapon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This page was apparently deleted, so I'm not even sure why it remains a redirect. But that said, it being a redirect raises issues about its target, which is vague and could be weapon, melee, or even Role-playing game terms (since it's almost entirely a term used in gaming, not real life). I'd personally rather just see it deleted entirely and the search function being able to be used, but my second choice would be the glossary of RPG terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Google hits are mostly RPGs, but there's also List of premodern combat weapons § Melee weapons. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 01:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to List of premodern combat weapons#Melee weapons. BD2412 T 03:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per BD2412. The diacritic version Mêlée weapon should be updated to match. – Fayenatic London 18:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I didn't even know that existed, but it's pure WP:OR nonetheless. Their articles and history texts don't mention these being "melee weapons" nor was that part of the original classification. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Melee I guess - the listing of premodern combat weapons is too narrow of a target. For instance, this topic would cover weapons designed for close quarters trench fighting in WWI, or in various roleplaying games. Hog Farm _Talk 04:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Refine to Weapon#By function if someone decides to/can add a brief description of a "melee weapon" there prior to this discussion being closed. Weak delete since the title has WP:REDLINK potential that Weapon or Melee doesn't completely cover Very weak retarget to Melee per Hog Farm since it's better than the current target. OPPOSE "Retarget to List of premodern combat weapons#Melee weapons" entirely per Zxcvbnm's follow-up comment. Steel1943 (talk) 15:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Though I just discovered that Blunt instrument exists (and may need to be considered as a retargeting option if the scope of the article means to include both terms ... not sure, and Blunt instrument is at WP:AFD currently anyways), I'm currently staying with my aforementioned stance. Steel1943 (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

N00b

• N00b → Newbie  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I thought of retargeting this redirect to Leet#n00b, but i think it's best to ask for consensus first before doing so. You have two choices: either keep this redirect as it is now, or retarget it to Leet#n00b as i wanted. This redirect should not be deleted. 67.209.128.30 (talk) 08:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

you can't tell me what to do, i vote to retarget to my talk page!!

just kidding, retarget to leet#n00b, even though the section should be called (v)<><>)3 cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep this is not a related term, it is the same term. I don't se why synonyms should be pointed elsewhere. And this stylization already appears in the target article. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget it to Leet#n00b, which is where the relevant content is located. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per nom, where it's used as a specific example with specific content about the alternate spelling, at which point, someone can always follow the link to the more general topic if so inclined. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget yes, it should be retargeted per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. There's nothing at Leet#n00b that isn't at the more comprehensive article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Current target is significantly more comprehensive, and expressly covers this spelling, along with a piped link to the Leet#n00b section anyway, so we aren't hiding it by keeping the current target. Fieari (talk) 00:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per 35.139.154.158, most relevant target for the stylization. For alternate spellings or stylizations, readers are already hatnoted to the generic article. Jay 💬 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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• keep. The current target is about certain encyclopedic topic --Altenmann >talk 18:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• comment retargetting to Leet in pointless because it says nothing encyclopedic beyond being a dicdef for newbie in a certain slang. --Altenmann >talk 18:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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Yemen-Taizz

• Yemen-Taizz → Kingdom of Yemen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Taizz is not mentioned in Kingdom of Yemen, its current target. Taiz is a city in Yemen. This can be deleted due to ambiguity. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Taizz is just an alternative spelling of Taiz, which was the capital of the kingdom. Pescavelho (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Then why is it not targeting Taiz? Also, the title Yemen-Taizz is not mentioned in the article. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete I can't find evidence that "Yemen-Taizz" is or was used to refer to the kingdom, which is the pertinent question here IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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9/28/2022

• 9/28/2022 → Hurricane Ian  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• It's not a single-day event. Hurricane Ian raged on both before and after this date. Just because it was the most important doesn't give it quite the case for a redirect. Delete. Departure– (talk) 15:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Departure–. Redirect seems implicitly biased; this is not Floridapedia. Carguychris (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Doesn't really seem like a plausible search term for its subject. And there is no more reason for Hurricane Ian to be the target than any other article that was in ITN at the time. TornadoLGS (talk) 19:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  This statement applies to both redirects. Delete or retarget them – I don’t even use those redirects. I use the Ian 2022 redirect. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Portal:Current events/2022 September 28. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Portal:Current events/2022 September 28 per precedent for single date redirects. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Changing my vote to Retarget as suggested by J947 and Tavix, but the underlying reasoning is the same and still applies. Carguychris (talk) 18:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

September 28, 2022

• September 28, 2022 → Hurricane Ian  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Redirect seems implicitly biased; Hurricane Ian was a multi-day event that affected different regions at different times, and this is not Floridapedia. Carguychris (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  See statement for 9/28/2022 redirect. !vote for that also applies here. No further comment. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Portal:Current events/2022 September 28. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Portal:Current events/2022 September 28 per precedent for single date redirects. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Changing my vote to Retarget as suggested by J947 and Tavix, but the underlying reasoning is the same and still applies. Carguychris (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The Emperor's New Groove (Video Game)

• The Emperor's New Groove (Video Game) → The Emperor's New Groove (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect is alternate capitalization of the words video game, which is not even part of the title. Makes absolutely no sense. MimirIsSmart (talk) 06:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Harmless {{R from other capitalisation}}. These are typically left over from a move though it's not the case with this one. Regardless, it's still a plausible redirect. CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I was pinged here, as I created the redirect in 2013. I have no recollection of creating this, and I'm confused about why I did it purely as I've never edited the target article. I must have created it after seeing it as a red link somewhere. In any case, I agree it's harmless, and if it's still a plausible redirect, I'm in favour of keeping it. Damien Linnane (talk) 09:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep These kinda redirects have been kept up before, so i see no point in deleting this one. (It's not like "(ViDeEo GaMe]" either way so) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Mick Rory (Arrowverse Earth-74)

• Mick Rory (Arrowverse Earth-74) → List of Legends of Tomorrow characters#Mick Rory / Heat Wave  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Character is not talked about at target and in universe is a minor character in the two episodes he appears in. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

USS Zhukov (NCC-62136)

• USS Zhukov (NCC-62136) → Starship Enterprise#The Next Generation era  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Zhukov" is not mentioned at the target article, and this is a completely separate ship in-universe. This was redirected in 2006, apparently failing even that era's notability standards. It was pointed at a target that then got redirected into the article that was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek Starfleet starships, but this redirect got pointed elsewhere somehow and didn't get deleted with that content. This can be safely deleted. Hog Farm _Talk 04:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Agree it can be deleted - the parenthetical registry number makes it an unlikely search term. If there's an inclination toward a more appropriate redirect direct, Data's Day fits the bill, as it's the first time this particulars ship appears on screen. That said, the Zhukov' trivial appearance is not mentioned at that article, either. --EEMIV (talk) 15:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Cellar Door

• Cellar Door → Snow (Angus & Julia Stone album)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think the song is the primary topic over the other capitalized entries at the Cellar door disambiguation page, e.g. Cellar Door (John Vanderslice album) and Cellar Door (film). jlwoodwa (talk) 03:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• retarget to cellar door (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• I don't object to anything you do with this redirect. Frankly, I think you should have gone WP:BOLD rather than waste time on a discussion. Muhandes (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  When a redirect has had three previous targets, I think it's worth having a discussion about. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Shakespearean sonnet

• Shakespearean sonnet → Sonnet#Tudor and Stuart period  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'd like to retarget this to Shakespeare's sonnets. I made this change, but it was bot-reverted as vandalism. 101.119.76.69 (talk) 03:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Shakespeare's sonnets#Form and structure of the sonnets per nom. I'm surprised that this isn't a full article (like Petrarchan sonnet), but it's been a redirect since 2006, and the proposed target has our best (but still limited) information on the form. Tevildo (talk) 11:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Virus Barrier

• Virus Barrier → Intego#Products  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was actually mentioned (NOT NOMINATED) in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_20#VirusBarrier as an incorrect redirect, but no one has nominated this specific redirect again since then so I might as well.

Nominate for the reasons described over there, "[..] incorrect and doesn't appear to be used at all [..]" User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and tag as {{R from alternative punctuation}} and {{R from avoided double redirect}} to VirusBarrier. Jay 💬 13:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per Jay but probably use {{R from alternative spacing}} instead. Skynxnex (talk) 01:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 27

Check Six

• Check Six → Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The source title is ambiguous: it could refer to the game studio (Check Six Studios, which the current target covers), or it could refer to the colloquialism (now covered in Clock position#In media and culture after Special:Diff/1265622848). I'm not sure which target is better. Does WP:DIFFCAPS come into play? PleaseStand (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Hatnote at current target {{redirect|Check Six|the expression "check your six"|Clock position}}. I think the current target is correct since Check Six Studios redirects there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Tu-166

• Tu-166 → Tupolev Tu-116  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"166" is not mentioned at the target; not sure how plausible this redirect is. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete aside from being a typo for Tu-116, Google suggests this is also a misspelling of Tu-160; so it is ambiguous -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Prison music

• Prison music → Category:Prison music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The term "prison music" is ambiguous (music about prison, or music from prison?) and being sent to the category to which this redirect targets does not serve the user better than using Search for"Prison music". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree this is more suitable for a search, and the category is a pretty loose collection to begin with. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Luxury homes

• Luxury homes → Category:Luxury real estate  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8 § Luxury home – no consensus

Notwithstanding the lack of consensus on the closure of the last RfD of a group of redirects including this one, Luxury homes should have the same target as Luxury home per WP:PLURALPT ("the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular, or to wherever its singular redirects", so retarget it to Real estate. Redirects to category space are really not optimal for situations like this, especially when there's a singular version pointing somewhere else, and no reason to ignore the guideline. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget per nom for consistency. This could have been done boldly. Jay 💬 16:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I would have done it boldly had it not been the subject of a recent RfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget should not be cross namespace and should have been speedy if as noted there wasn't a prior RFD that was focusing on other things. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Pale Garden

• Pale Garden → Minecraft#Gameplay  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The current redirect is the only remotely plausible one in the page history, else I would've probably deleted or draftified. But since it's not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure this works either. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as clean-up after a blocked disruptive editor. No prejudice against good-faith creation if someone actually thinks such a redirect would be beneficial (as opposed to a red link). --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking, where it is mentioned. Oppose deletion per WP:NOTBURO. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  The Pale Garden is a place added in the newest update of Minecraft, notable for featuring the newest monster creaking. I think the target provides information about whats the most notable about the place, which is the monster. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• And I would have thought that the WP:NOTBURO argument would be in support of quickly deleting junk redirects resulting from pages created in bad faith instead of going through huge bureaucratic discussions to find accommodation for them. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough. I did say that there should be a redirect if someone thinks one would be beneficial, and since you do, I'm striking my above !vote. (Though I'm still not quite convinced that's an optimal target.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete as wikitrashing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I have never heard that term before, but I'm assuming that it's a synonym for WP:CRUFT User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking. I do not agree that this target contains no information about the subject of this redirect. It tells you, 1) It is a biome location in Minecraft. 2) The biome is in greyscale. 3) The biome contains the monster known as "Creaking". There is no further information that is really needed, this says everything we're going to say about the subject, and since we have the information, we should provide it to the user when searched. Fieari (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete The above section is now List of Minecraft characters#The Creaking, but it only references "pale garden" once in passing which isn't enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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• then delete (or return to red if you're feeling feisty) in absence of a good enough target. strong oppose restoring and sending to afd, as it was a pile of copyvios with no reliable sources in sight. i'm pretty sure canonni's reversions in the page history were 50% accidents lol. there's also every chance someone might be looking for something related to the pale king too, i guess consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Sarcenet

• Sarcenet → Silk  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk fabric. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak retarget to History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa#Central_Africa_4, where there's some discussion. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • "Sarcenet" does not mean "silk ribbon", but was a kind of silk fabric used for bed hangings and curtains, reference Clive Edwards, Encyclopedia of Furnishising Textiles (2007), p. 184.Unoquha (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

    wowie haha i wonder why you would say that out of the blue like this, i'd hate to be the goober who would make such a predictable mistake. you saw nothing cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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T Swift

• T Swift → Taylor Swift  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:PANDORA is strong with this one. To be more specific, since this is the only "[first-name-initial] [last-name]" redirect I know of, this might potentially lead readers into thinking there's more redirects like this one. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 14:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - nothing wrong with initialisms as long as they aren't ambiguous, which this one isn't. Your personal knowledge of redirects isn't really a criteria for something to be deleted. Example of similar redirects: J. S. Bach, J. F. Gmelin, and others in {{r from short name}}. Pandora isn't a good guideline for multiple reasons and there's frequent enough pushback about it that we should probably have an RFC to pull it sooner or later. BugGhost 🦗👻 15:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, ambiguous with Todd Swift and and multiple Tom Swift (disambiguation). Even if it weren't ambiguous, the number of possible First-initial Last-name redirects are very large, and per WP:PANDORA, we shouldn't make (or keep) them unless the person has widely or historically been known in writing by this form of name, such as J. S. Bach, mentioned above. Given the (admittedly depressing) sheer superstardom of Swift, it's hard to see that anyone is going to need this redirect in order to help find her article. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have a gut feeling that out of the options presented here, Taylor Swift is the primary topic by a long margin. Anyway, here's some examples of Taylor Swift being referred to via T initial: T-Swift, T-Swift, T.Swift. BugGhost 🦗👻 19:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Your gut feeling "isn't really a criteria for something to be deleted..." ;-) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Alright, you got me there BugGhost 🦗👻 22:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Ambiguous; Taylor Swift isn't known as "T Swift"; and the correctly-stylized T. Swift is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

...and the even more incorrect T swift is not red. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per BugGhost, this is a popular-enough nickname for Taylor Swift. I disagree with ambiguous arguments because AFAICT it's not notably used for anyone else. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Swift is the primary topic for "T Swift". Doesn't matter that if "T. Swift" or "T-Swift" or what have you is more common, this spelling is used in text and it's completely reasonable way to type it if you hear it. Tag with whatever rcats make sense and move on. PANDORA, which I'm not a fan of, isn't really against this because we've generally accepted having redirects from common nicknames to their most famous user. Skynxnex (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

• 2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships → Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 2016 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships → Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 2018 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships → Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link. The Banner talk 04:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• KEEP; the target article displays the medalists from this otherwise non-notable competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  So there is no reason for the redirect while it is blocking the creation of an article. The Banner talk 16:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Correction, nothing is blocking the article from being created. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete It's blocking a potential article from being made User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's obscuring creation slightly (by being a blue link rather than a red link), but it's not blocking it. Anyone can just edit the redirect and turn it into an article. BugGhost 🦗👻 16:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have overwritten several redirects with articles about specific FS competitions - see 2025 Italian Figure Skating Championships, for example. The redirects allow for proper display of competitions on FS templates. And considering the season-specific articles for the Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships are up for AFD, it is unlikely that season-specific articles will be written for any of these years. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep – WP:RETURNTORED exists to serve the editors of a subject area. If the editors of a subject area want the redirect kept, then it is kept. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

"Musican" Redirects

• Felukah (musican) → Felukah (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• John Johnson (musican) → Simply Red  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Jason Freese (musican) → Jason Freese  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Bob Harris (musican) → Bob Harris (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Danny Wagner (musican) → Greta Van Fleet  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Matthew Murphy (musican) → Matthew Murphy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Luis Delgado (musican) → Luis Delgado (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Youth (musican and producer) → Youth (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Tony Rogers (musican) → The Charlatans (English band)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Jason Jones (musican) → Jason Jones (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Grasshopper (musican) → Grasshopper (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Justin Lanning (musican) → Justin Lanning (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Jeanette Lee (musican) → Jeannette Lee  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Fronda (Swedish musican) → Fronda  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Topic (musican) → Topic (DJ)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Edward cronin, musican → Edward Cronin (musician)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Prior consensus has shown these kinds of redirects should be deleted. + the "Felukah" redirect in particular was actually created by me as a page move, so counts towards a G7. Forgot about the whole "page move" clause, my bad
(Just to be clear, I wouldn't object musican if that was a redirect as THESE redirects and previously nominated ones clearly show that at least a FEW people would need to be helped by redirecting musican to the correctly spelled version)

(The Edward one in particular is especially bad as it also has an incorrect disambiguator format) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete these misspellings are all in the disambiguation term, and not in the base term. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete these spelling errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete all these redirects per nom and above. I'm not sure we still need them, especially since the disambiguators are misspelled. Regards, SONIC678 22:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete; don't serve a practical purpose.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

unmentioned suikoden characters (episode 2: j-l)

• Jeane (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Joshua Levenheit → Suikoden  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kasim Hazil → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kasumi (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kessler (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Killey → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kraze → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kun To → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kwanda Rosman → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Leknaat → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Leon Silverberg → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lepant → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lilly Pendragon → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lorelai (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lucia (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

re-nominating those after this discussion closed as "if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next", but only by a small chunk at a time. same rationale applies. also, kraze might be vague, but i'm a little iffy on it consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 12:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak retarget "Lilly Pendragon" to Suikoden III where it is mentioned -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate "Killey" there are several non-Suikoden uses of this. [5], such as: Philip G. Killey; Killey River tributary to the Kenai River; Lynne Killey, a founder of Games for Good; John Killey, the last public capital punishment in New Zealand; Killey, an alternate spelling of Killay, County Tyrone; Killey's Hill, Laurel Bank; Ellis Killey who stood for election in the 1996 Manx general election; Jonas Killey, a fictional character from Flash Point (novel); Killey, listed at List of townlands of County Tyrone; Adan Killey, a member of the 2014 Isle of Man cricket team; Erin Killey, a medalist at the 2010 Australian Short Course Swimming Championships; Julie Killey, who was elected in the 2021 Lincolnshire County Council election; Liza Killey, a fictional character from The Bondman (1916 film) and novel it was based on; Julie Elizabeth Killey, who was elected in the 2017 Lincolnshire County Council election; Phillip Killey, who stood in election, see Results of the 1922 New South Wales state election; Quentin Killey, who stood for election in the 2015 South Gloucestershire Council election; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget "Lepant" to Nafpaktos as {{R from former name}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate "Kraze" as there are many uses [6]: Central Florida United Kraze, the soccer team "Kraze"; Kraze, a musician, a member of Whistle (band); Kraze United soccer team; Kraze (Richard Jean Laurent), a musician, a member of Discomind; Kražiai also known as "Kražē"; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Repeating some of my votes from the previous RfD. Delete if there is no content worth merging, or restore and AfD for these: Jeane, Kun To, Kwanda Rosman, Leknaat, and Leon Silverberg. Joshua Levenheit has mention at Suikoden#The 27 True Runes. While dealing with or after dealing with Leon Silverberg, we have to settle Mathiu Silverberg (nephew), Odessa Silverberg (niece), Albert Silverberg (grandson), and Caesar Silverberg (grandson). Attempt disambiguation per IP 65 for Killey and Kraze. Retarget Lepant and Lilly Pendragon per IP 65. Delete Lorelai (Suikoden). Retarget Lucia to Suikoden III#Hugo's point of view. Others are {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 16:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  hopefully gonna draft dabs in a little over 2 hours. until then, do you think the silverberg family should be nominated on its own, separately? consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Arab Democratic Republic

• Arab Democratic Republic → Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I believe the redirect from Arab Democratic Republic to Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is not appropriate. This redirect targets a specific instance from a general term. Many Arab republics have labeled themselves as democratic, such as the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen and the People's Democratic Republic of Algeria. The redirect should either be deleted or replaced with a disambiguation page. РоманЖ (talk) 10:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment could point to Arab Republic and itemize there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree with the nom: this partial title match is not an appropriate redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ED

• Wikipedia:ED → Wikipedia:Experimental deletion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It appears that this redirect is mostly used by accident (where the author intends to link to Wikipedia:Edit warring or Wikipedia:Edit summary), and currently links to an obscure deprecated page from Wikipedia's early days. I propose deleting it, since I don't think that there is a clear best alternative target JJP_Master (she/they) 06:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Out of 960 links, over 900 are the result of a mistake in a message template used by VoABot II during a period in 2007. Of the rest, about ⅔ are editor mistakes and the remainder pages with lists of shortcuts. I don't see a particularly good target for this either.  — Hex • talk 12:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Retarget to the disambiguation page at WP:WikiEd per Liz's suggestion.  — Hex • talk 18:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete I would have thought it would be for the WP:WikiEd thing -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

  I did too, that's how I stumbled upon it. JJP_Master (she/they) 19:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate – if a two-character shortcut could plausibly refer to many project pages, I think it's better to convert it to a disambiguation page than to delete it. See Category:Wikipedia disambiguation pages for examples. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate given there are several uses and the target is historical anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• It seems like some editors or readers could use this abbreviation to try to reach Wikipedia:WikiEd. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  It does make me think of wikEd as well, I think that you've hit a good one here. I'm changing to retarget.  — Hex • talk 18:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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'DAB: Convert to internal disambiguation page; that way any plausible mistaken use of it can still be puzzled out, instead of just going nowhere.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

• Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm → Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Can't find any evidence that the song was known by this version of the title. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 14:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, unambiguous and seems plausible enough to me. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:8942:15CC:ACFF:7F04 (talk) 17:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• delete per nom. too many letters. i assume average reader will able to tell the difference between 3 and 5 and want to type less stuff. don't retarget to low (flo rida song) either, as it'll then be missing a set of m's consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per 2A0E - if a user types this in then it is obvious where they are attempting to go. Redirects don't have to be 100% accurate, and often it is helpful when they aren't. No benefit of deleting - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. I don't think this is ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

2021 ICC Champions Trophy

• 2021 ICC Champions Trophy → ICC Champions Trophy#2021 ICC Champions Trophy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading redirect, as there was never planned to be a 2021 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy. As such, there is no information at target article about a 2021 edition. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Week keep: for historical reference I guess... Also information such as it being replaced with T20WC can be mentioned in the page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Nightb***h

• Nightb***h → Nightbitch  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Book title is not censored and full name is Nightbitch. Wikipedia is also not censored. Blethering Scot 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Only one hit on Google, so this plausible censoring is not actually in common use. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• A little bit on the fence about this one, because the one instance of the term being censored was regarding the film (see above), but ultimately it's plausible here too so keep. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 23:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch" to be a plausible redirect. don't you hate it when your stay at home wife sometimes transforms into a dog? that happened to my buddy eric once, and his week was ruined cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

ow my consonants cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Plausible censoring. Wikipedia is not censored, but a redirect is not content, it's a navigation aid. The fact that wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean our users necessarily know that, or that they won't self-censor themselves, or copy a search term from someone else who does. WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. We're not censored and shouldn't encourage any misguided notion that we'll de-censor self-censored search terms. If something's citeably referred to in censored fashion, that's different. The play Shopping and Fucking was frequently referred to in the media as "Shopping and F***ing", for example (e.g.), and that would be a legitimate redirect title. I'm kind of surprised that Shopping and F***ing doesn't already exist, now that I've looked for it.  — Hex • talk 16:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep redirecting a redacted version to the non-censored version is pretty much the opposite of censorship. I did a new simple google search for "Nightb***h" and found that the Daily Mail has used it in two video posts and three articles, so it's very possible someone will search Wikipedia for that exact title. Skynxnex (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep as currently unambiguous on Wikipedia per this wildcard search ... which was quite surprising, but it is what it is. Steel1943 (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per Fieari. People who are citing NOTCENSORED are not grasping what's happening here - a user is typing in a word containing "b***h" and getting taken to an article with the word "bitch" - this is the opposite of censorship. This particular spelling is used online and unambigious - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as a plainly useful redirect. Here is an example of a source using this spelling. Tag with Template:R from bowdlerization. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

• Transphobia in the US House of Representatives → Protecting Women's Private Spaces Act  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I feel like this is a broader topic, a bit misleading to target it to a specific instance. JayCubby 19:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Template - {{R from possibilites}} - it may develop into a broad topic, or research may be able to be done now, but no broader topic exists rn. BarntToust 21:03, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep or develop into an independent article. Basically there's no reason to delete the redirect as long as the broader article doesn't exist. Simonm223 (talk) 22:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WTAF, and specifically oppose any sort of justification with the possibilities template. It might very well be a fine topic for an article, but redirecting to a specific bill is pretty inappropriate. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete The bill is not called "Transphobia in the US House of Representatives" by any people. I agree with 35.139. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Template as a redirect with possibilities. The broader topic has possibilities for development, but for now the target article cites reliable sources that indicate the topic has been noteworthily identified as a case of transphobia/anti-trans bigotry in the United States House of Representatives. If it is not templated, keep. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 04:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• This should be an article (or, at least, Transphobia in the United States Congress should), but barring that, delete per 35.139.154.158. charlotte ^👸🎄 00:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. WP:RETURNTORED at best until an article is written. Implausible/politically motivated nudging at worst, per WP:R#DELETE. No objection to a broader article being written if sufficient coverage exists. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. A user searching this term is unlikely to want the specific bill and more likely to be searching for an article on this subject. Support recreation of a full article per above. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 11:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to Transphobia in the United States, to the "Government actions" section if needed. In addition to the Private Spaces Act, it also mentions, In mid-July, the GOP in the US House of Representatives supported bills that would target transgender athletes with the "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act" sponsored by Greg Steube. The mention of transphobia in the House in the broader Transphobia in the U.S. article makes the latter a valid redirect target. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget somewhere, as the current target is clearly too narrow. Transphobia in the United States, as suggested by User:Rotideypoc41352, seems like the most suitable target to me. Deletion would also be fine. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Rehabilitation (addiction)

• Rehabilitation (addiction) → Drug rehabilitation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Drug addictions are not the only kind of addictions, nor is drug rehabilitation the only kind of addiction rehabilitation out there. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to Treatment and management of addiction; in addition to one mention in the article text itself, at least two sources quoted in the References section use the word. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Neon cat

• Neon cat → Nyan Cat  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No proof that "Neon cat" is used as a misspelling for Nyan Cat, I mostly find neon signs showcasing cats and a non-notable [Simulator] pet User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Weak redirect to Ray cat, which covers the concept of glowing cats. Second preference is delete. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete unless someone can find evidence that the term "neon cat" is used to refer to something that we have a relevant article for. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Mx. Granger.  — Hex • talk 22:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirects to Antarctica and Arctic Ocean

• 89th parallel north → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 88th parallel north → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 87th parallel north → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 86th parallel north → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 89 degrees N → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 88 degrees N → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 87 degrees N → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 86 degrees N → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 85 degrees N → Arctic Ocean  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 89 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 88 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 87 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 86 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 85 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 84 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 83 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 82 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Latitude 81 degrees S → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 89th parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 88th parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 87th parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 86th parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 85th parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 84th parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 83rd parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 82nd parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• 81st parallel south → Antarctica  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Psycho CSL: Please expand your nomination rationale. Simply stating that something is "unnecessary" is not a valid reason for deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for merging those pages. I haven't deleted such a large number of pages at once before, so I didn't realize I needed to merge them. I'll be more careful next time. My reason for deletion was that if I search for a specific latitude, I'm more likely to want to know what's on that latitude, rather than being redirected to another article. I'm not very good at English, so I may not have been able to explain my thoughts well. For example, for latitudes 81°S to 89°S, I don't think I would want to be redirected to the same article every time I search for one. While I understand other perspectives, I still think having separate articles would be more user-friendly. But if everyone agrees to keep the redirects, I'm fine with that.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

After further thought, the more important point is that the Antarctica article doesn't actually cover information about those latitudes.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, CSL, PLEASE bundle these kinds of RfDs next time.

Onto the actual vote itself, weak keep per WP:CHEAP and that Antarctica is indeed 89 degrees south on the latitude scale User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Probably should group these, but in any case, for all it seems better to redirect to Circle of latitude. CMD (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Bundled all of these redirects that were nominated separately by Psycho CSL. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep These redirects were created to provide completeness for all of the other line of latitude articles, e.g. 13th parallel north. These ones don't warrant their own articles, being entirely within the Arctic Ocean or Antarctica - there's not really anything useful that could be said about them, but per WP:CHEAP, redirects to Arctic Ocean or Antarctica at least gives readers an idea of where they are should they be searched for. Redirects to Circle of latitude, as suggested above, would be OK but not really precise enough for my liking. Bazonka (talk) 09:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Bazonka and Someone - these are cheap, accurate redirects that fill the purpose of completing the set of line of latitude articles. Deleting would encourage making articles that aren't necessary, a redirect is better.

Thanks cyclone for fixing the RFD listings. Psycho CSL if you need to nominate lots of RFD's again I'd recommend using massXFD, which makes bundling a lot quicker, and makes the resulting listing/notifications simpler. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete all. 1) Wikipedia is not an atlas. While we may have articles about countries and things that you do find in an atlas, it's not meant to be a database dump of what countries cross what arbitrary lines of latitude/longitude. There's nothing inherently interesting about breaking up by integer values of degrees; this is a task more suited to a program that has geographic data and can convert any such line of longitude or latitude into such a list automatically. 2) Even if you want these for completeness, the ones we do have are part of a series, and these are not, so WP:REDYES applies. We shouldn't have these redirects to cover up the fact that these parts of the series don't exist. Furthermore, there's absolutely no reason why the series has to be complete at all. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Also, I forgot to add that these tend to be ambiguous. Why Arctic ocean and not Arctic ice sheet or simply Arctic? Similar concerns exist in the south. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment The lines of latitude and longitude articles have been taken to AFD several times before and they've always been kept. This Redirects for Discussion page is not the appropriate place to discuss them, but feel free to raise them at AFD yet again if you must. In any case, there is nothing in WP:NOT that mentions atlases, and of course there are thousands of articles about geographical locations.

Regarding your comments about the Arctic ice sheet, this is not fixed in place, and (especially with the future effects of global warming) parts of the parallels might go over open ocean, thereby making a redirect to Arctic ice sheet not necessarily correct. The ice sheets are in the Arctic Ocean, so redirects to Arctic Ocean will always be correct, whether the parallels pass over ice or open water. I'm not sure what "similar concerns exist in the south" really means – these parallels are entirely on the continent of Antarctica. A redirect to Antarctica is therefore more precise than a link to Antarctic which covers seas that these parallels don't pass through. Bazonka (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 26

Donald President

• Donald President → Donald Trump  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search term. Rusalkii (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete it should be formulated as President The Donald or President the Donald -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  "President The Donald"? "President the Donald"? "Donald President"? Redirect The allusion to him as that seems a lot like improper. The allusion may be nonsense, but this is clearly a case of misguidance. I choose Redirect. 2601:483:400:1CD0:B614:68CF:9223:D88F (talk) 19:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  no, no, you don't get it, it's sonic the hedgehog-style naming. also... redirect to what? consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  ...This is really improper... As for redirecting, it should redirect to his article. 2601:483:400:1CD0:C42F:4B2A:C28D:A2F (talk) 23:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  I mean the disambiguation idea from below. 2601:483:400:1CD0:C42F:4B2A:C28D:A2F (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  we normally call those "keep" and "retarget" respectively consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 01:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Donald Trump is not the only president named Donald. Most notably, Donald Tusk was president of the European Council. Other presidents with this name include Donald DiFrancesco (president of the New Jersey Senate), Donald Maclean (British politician) (president of the British Liberal Party and the British Board of Education), Donald MacDonald (Nova Scotia politician) (president of the Canadian Labour Congress), Donald S. Russell (president of the University of South Carolina), Donald Payne Jr. (president of the Newark city council), Donald A. Carson (president of the Gospel Coalition), Donald N. Bersoff (president of the American Psychological Association), and others. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Mx. Granger. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect. Although this is correct, this is what disambiguation pages are for. People could redirect to there. We can include all the people you mentioned and other Donald Presidents. 2601:483:400:1CD0:C42F:4B2A:C28D:A2F (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, I know you call it Keep and Retarget. I am aware of this fact and will use this language. Speaking of this language, Retarget Make it go to a disambiguation page. 76.22.166.175 (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Are you the same ip Consarn replied to above? Aaron Liu (talk) 13:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per Mx. Granger. There doesn't need to be a disambiguation page, because this isn't a term anyone would actually use to refer to anyone. Remsense ‥ 论 01:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Ambiguous and unlikely search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Paravima totoro

• Paravima totoro → Ghibli totoro  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect is a result of a mistaken move. Ghibli totoro is a completely different species than Paravima totoro. Ghibli (wasp) is a genus of wasps. Paravima is a genus of harvestmen in the family Agoristenidae. Plantdrew (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul

• Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul → Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul (Lewiston, Maine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul. Doesn't make sense for it to redirect to this non-primary entry. The disambiguation page is a better target. GilaMonster536 (talk) 21:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul per nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to disambiguation page Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Humxn

• Humxn → Human  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

classy. while there is some potential for this redirect's plausibility in the context of self-flanderizing bird app politics (i can feel the bile in my throat just linking that), said potential and context are not mentioned in the target consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 20:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• What in the world are you talking about? As far as I can tell (and what the creation comment seems to back up), this seems to be a drop-in for "human" to make it seem more gender-neutral, I guess. But I've found extremely little evidence of this actually being used (no hits in ngrams, etc), and there's no discussion about this at the destination (or anywhere, unsuprisingly), so Delete. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  twitter gets into what i've seen having been described as "nothingburger debates" on a near hourly basis

  in 2015-2018 (y'know, around the start of donald trump's first presidency), a popular topic was whether or not the left were goo goo ga ga babies who had cardiac heart attacks over instances of the character string "man". unfortunately, this means i can say "that's the joke" consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 11:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

...this is confusing, but veering on delete I decided to search this up on Brave Search with no quotation marks or anything like that (just a plain ol' search), and I immediately found this blog post that (amongst other paragraphs I struggle to read as a native English speaker) explains that "humxn" is a neologism used by one blog to describe a person with a support animal. Regardless, this neologism is not discussed anywhere on the article for support animal (or anywhere on the internet aside from that one blog, it seems) though.

Urban Dictionary (which is the quintessential unreliable source) says that it's the gender neutral version of "Human" which lines up with this redirect's target. Consarn mentioned bird app, which would be the perfect source to look for this term in... if Elon didn't force me to make an account to search for stuff. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Species 5618

• Species 5618 → Human  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

sci-fi fancruft!? no idea where the term originates, but it seems to be juggled around between at least two works consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 20:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Borg (or, perhaps, specifically to Borg#Assimilation), where the term is mentioned. Tevildo (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  should have figured it was star trek. star trek is the touhou of sci-fi. once you get into it, you notice that everything is referencing it... consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 20:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. While yes, it's mentioned at the Borg article, it's unsourced cruft, and it shouldn't be...let's not let that stop us from deleting this, though. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, the redirect to 'Human' is accurate as an alternate name. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • It isn't accurate, since this is a Star Trek topic, and not non-StarTrek human. We don't have an article on humans in Star Trek. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  maybe in the context of star trek, but we shouldn't have "mortally challenged" as a redirect to demon just because doom eternal said so consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 12:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps adding the appropriate entry to List of Star Trek aliens#S and redirecting there might be a solution. Tevildo (talk) 13:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  really? to refer to the one species that isn't an alien (in our pov, at least)? consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• at the moment, i'll lean towards deleting. while mentioned in borg and an apparently sort of important piece of nomenclature in star trek (don't quote me, though, i know nothing of star trek beyond spock looking a lot like barry mayfield), it doesn't seem to be elaborated on in any fitting targets, in any level of depth beyond just defining it, or with any serviceable amount of citations consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I think the only significant "Species zyx" from Star Trek is Species 8472, everything else is not important within Star Trek, as they all have regular species names in Star Trek otherwise, and wouldn't use Borg nomenclature outside of the Borg. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    is this implying that we could use this redirect as a way to out editors as borg? consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 20:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or retarget to Borg#Assimilation. Clearly not a likely search term for any real-world reader looking for information about humans. To be honest, I think it's not a likely search term for a reader looking for information about anything, but if someone encounters the phrase elsewhere and wants to know what it means, the Borg article answers that question. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

The Reformer

• The Reformer → John Calvin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This title is not mentioned in Calvin's article, and he was not the only architect of the Reformation. Scholastic accolades lists Reformator as a title of Martin Luther, but this is uncited, either on the "accolades" page or in Luther's article. The only incoming link is clearly intended to be to the Rutherglen Reformer, so my preferred action is to retarget to the newspaper. However, a dab page between Calvin, Luther, and the newspaper is also possible. Tevildo (talk) 19:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Reformer (disambiguation) and add uses there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Reformer (disambiguation) due to ambiguity. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Abhishek Chauhan

• Abhishek Chauhan → Asur (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Has appeared in numerous works (1, 2). WP:RETURNTORED. Nardog (talk) 16:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Sure but until someone expands the page (feel free) his page can be redirect[ed] to one of his most notable roles, because he meets Wikipedia:NACTOR: so oppose deletion. -Mushy Yank. 09:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  So if you're searching for someone not notable enough to have an article, you can learn all the works they've been associated with, but if you're searching for someone notable enough but no one has created the article, you can only learn just one of them? How does help our readers? Which guideline says that? Nardog (talk) 13:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Just read what I wrote with more attention and everything will be fine. -Mushy Yank. 14:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. An exemplar WP:RFD#D10 "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Shazia Iqbal

• Shazia Iqbal → Bebaak (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Has directed other works, including Dhadak 2, in addition to working as production designer for Sacred Games. WP:RETURNTORED. Nardog (talk) 16:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Sure, but until someone expands the page the page can stay because with 2 notable films directed he meets WP:NDIRECTOR. So oppose deletion. -Mushy Yank. 09:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  So if you're searching for someone not notable enough to have an article, you can learn all the works they've been associated with, but if you're searching for someone notable enough but no one has created the article, you can only learn just one of them? How does help our readers? Which guideline says that? Nardog (talk) 13:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Feel free to expand the page into a proper article, then, if you’re in a hurry to help the reader. Thank you in advance.. -Mushy Yank. 14:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. An exemplar WP:RFD#D10 Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Trafozsatsfm

• Trafozsatsfm → The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Similar to Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_18#ITEOTWAWKI etc., no evidence this album is referred to by this initialism. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:A441:E116:80BC:26F3 (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Google disagrees, it seems lots of people use exactly this initialism. Some use it in all lowercase, some all uppercase, and some with the mixed case of TRaFoZSatSFM, but I'm seeing significantly more hits than I expected when I searched for it. Looks like a useful redirect for navigational aid-- the title is so long people naturally want to shorten it. I don't think a mention in the article is necessary, this is just to get people to where they want to go without having to type the whole thing. Fieari (talk) 02:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per previous consensus and my reasoning at other song acronym titles. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per Fieari and WP:CHEAP, I see dozens of Ghits unambiguously referring to the album, there is even a tribute album titled with the acronym, https://www.discogs.com/it/release/12885485-Various-TRAFOZSATSFM-10th-Anniversary-Edition Cavarrone 06:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Fierai. Very surprised that the nom says no evidence this album is referred to by this initialism because it is actually very easy to find evidence for that. BugGhost 🦗👻 22:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:DisProject and Template:DisPro

• Template:DisProject → Template:WikiProject Disambiguation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:DisPro → Template:WikiProject Disambiguation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unused WikiProject template shortcuts created in 2010 and 2021 respectively. Target has other, better shortcuts listed.  — Hex • talk 11:55, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete I would be very confused where that shortcut leads me to. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:38, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

It goes to dis project, obviously. (Not to be confused with: dat project)  — Hex • talk 14:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment {{dis}} is the footer, and the project that supports that is "DisProject" -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Yeah, this is a bit too long/convoluted. This is the list of alternatives. I'm curious why you didn't also nominate {{DisPro}}, tho :) --Joy (talk) 09:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I didn't know about it! Thanks, added to nomination.  — Hex • talk 12:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. This is a horrible named redirect. Gonnym (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the IP: it isn't horrible, it just follows dis precedent set by {{dis}}. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 19:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I must disagree (ahem), these shortcuts usually don't swap the order of WikiProject Something into Something Project, right? Typically project names are condensed into WPSomething or just Something. I think this is unlikely to see usage because of the nonstandard format.  — Hex • talk 14:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Howdunnit

• Howdunnit → Inverted detective story  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

admittedly on the weak side of noms, but whatever. a "whodunit" is a mystery story where the mystery is the criminal. a "howcatchem" (or the longer name used in the target i guess) makes catching the very known criminal the mystery. a "howdunit" is somewhere in between, referring to how the do was did. it can overlap with any amount of whodunit and howcatchem. is death note a howdunit? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

should also mention that there's a section on howdunits in whodunnit, but it's entirely unsourced and may be erroneously treating them as synonyms cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Keep - Searching google shows at least one article that directly equates these as synonyms, even though if you just look at the word, it doesn't seem to be. [7] "Then there's the howdunnit, {...} These can be referred to as an inverse detective novel". I agree with cogsan that I wouldn't use this word this way, but there we go... a little scanning on social media shows that a lot of people use "howdunnit" and "howcatchem" interchangeably, which would make this the correct target. I'm not fully confident about this one though. Fieari (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

  More searching reveals more sources using "howdunnit" as a synonymn for "howcatchem" or the inverted detective story... including a plethora of hits on google scholar. So I'm removing the weak portion of my !vote. This synonym should probably be explicitly added to the article as well, given how many sources pop up. Here's just one as an example: [8], but the google scholar hits go on for pages and pages of results (some of which define it in the paper, others just use the word). Fieari (talk) 23:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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Chongqing No.1 Middle School

• Chongqing No.1 Middle School → Chongqing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

As per WP:RDELETE points 2 and 10, this redirect not only could plausibly be expanded into into an article (See prior edit history), but also creates significant confusion (The primary article linking to this is Chongqing, which this redirects back to, creating a recursive link) - Additionally, there are next to no pageviews (Prior to proposing this redirect be deleted), suggesting that it's not used frequently Gmoat (talk) 16:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. It redirects to a list with no context, providng very little information for readers. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Restore an old version of the article, maybe this version. Looking at the corresponding zh.wikipedia article, I see lots of sources, so I think the article would likely survive AfD if nominated. Note that "middle school" in China usually just means "secondary school"; from an American perspective, this is more like a consolidated middle and high school rather than a middle school. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Wang Qingyun

• Wang Qingyun → Chinese Figure Skating Championships#Ladies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No point in this redirect, her name is mentioned only twice here in a table. but she is also mentioned as a competitor/medalist in few other articles but none have enough content to anchor a redirect. Sports2021 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate This is the name of a 9th-century Chinese general Wang Qingyun (Northern Wei) (王慶雲) who fought Erzhu Tianguang, he is covered at Emperor Xiaozhuang of Northern Wei <make the emperor the bluelink>; a 19th-century provincial official Wang Qingyun (Qing Dynasty) (王慶雲; 1798-1862) who was Viceroy of Sichuan and Viceroy of Liangguang and ancestor of Wang Shizhen (physician) <make the physician the bluelink>; a para-skier listed at China at the 2022 Winter Paralympics; Wang Qingyun (王青雲) a fictional character from TV show The Unforgettable Memory; Wang Qingyun (王青云) 21st century political commissar at the Zhengzhou Joint Logistics Support Center; Wang Qingyun (skater) (王青雲) the skater should use the bluelink Chinese Figure Skating Championships since that's the only article where she has won anything, bronze medals -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment When disambiguating, this current redirect page should be renamed to Wang Qingyun (skater), for a redirect to be left behind that can be used as a target by WikiData; this would also preserve the AfD outcome pointed out by Hey man im josh -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Qingyun Wang should be bundled into this. It is the same person, with Western name order -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This was redirected here back in July as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Qingyun (2nd nomination). Hey man im josh (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Delete. I nominated the original article for deletion, and I still maintain that it should have been deleted outright. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Yeah, we essentially have someone who participated in a few events, but we don't have enough info about to have ONE cohesive target. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

If it is the skater, then the current target is the cohesive target, since that's the only one where the skater finished on the podium, so the only prominent finish for the skater. But we have 2 historical figures with this name, a provincial governor and a rebel general, thus making this a good page to make a disambiguation page. WP:DABRL would cover using {{ill}} for the two historical figures. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate as suggested above, and make sure the Wikidata items are matched up correctly. Retarget Qingyun Wang to the disambiguation page. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Finario

• Finario → The Bonnie Lass o' Fyvie  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as ambiguous with Damian of Finario and Battista dei Giudici. These three minor details do not between them warrant a disambiguation page, and search results will do the job quicker and more simply than hatnotes. J947 ‡ ^edits 02:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or disambiguate The other two are "surname-type" uses, while the current target is an alternate name. If kept, we can hatnote the two people pointed out by the nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate. We have three entries, none of which is an obvious primary target. Tevildo (talk) 16:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Leo (kaiju)

• Leo (kaiju) → Mothra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Same reason here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_8#Mothra_Leo 203.129.49.225 (talk) 10:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - I've already stated this in the past discussion @203.129.49.225 has linked here, and I'll have to say this again...
  
  even if I did read those three films articles in my point of view or someone else's point of view, they'd be like "Who the hell is Leo?", and again, I'm not a Mothra expert, I'm only a Godzilla expert.
  
  If those who don't know what this IP is referring to, I'll mention this quote stated in a past discussion stated by @121.45.246.200 Mothra Leo is a fan name and its simply a rumor, besides if its a rebirth trilogy, the Mothra should be named "MOTHRA", not Leo, otherwise Toho should've changed the names of the trilogy to "Birth of Mothra Leo".

I'm just leaning for delete anyway. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 10:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Old Rajans

• Old Rajans → Dharmaraja College#Old Rajans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a useful Redirect IDB.S (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Refine to Dharmaraja College#Notable alumni, where this term is defined. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete, not a useful redirect. Dan arndt (talk) 03:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Refine to Dharmaraja College#Notable alumni per Presidentman. The term is mentioned (and explained) in the article, so a redirect is useful. --Cavarrone 17:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Astronomical society of dharmaraja college

• Astronomical society of dharmaraja college → Dharmaraja College#Clubs and societies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a useful Redirect IDB.S (talk) 06:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Not mentioned. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete not a useful redirect. Dan arndt (talk) 03:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Dharmaraja College Astronomical Society

• Dharmaraja College Astronomical Society → Dharmaraja College#Clubs and societies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a useful Redirect IDB.S (talk) 06:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Not mentioned. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete not a useful redirect. Dan arndt (talk) 03:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

ASDRC

• ASDRC → Dharmaraja College#Clubs and societies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a useful Redirect IDB.S (talk) 06:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Not mentioned. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete not a useful redirect. Dan arndt (talk) 03:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

December 25

LGBTQ in Georgia

• LGBTQ in Georgia → LGBTQ rights in Georgia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• LGBT in Georgia → LGBTQ rights in Georgia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to LGBTQ topics in Georgia, in the same style of LGBTQ topics in the United States by Cremastra. --MikutoH ^talk! 22:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget both to LGBTQ topics in Georgia set index per nom. Better target. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget both as above. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Nickas Strandbråten

• Nickas Strandbråten → Seeb (music producers)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect was recently nominated for R3. However, because it was not recently created, R3 does not apply. Niklas Strandbråten is a former member of Seeb, but this redirect includes two spelling errors in the first name (+C, -L). Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Angry dad

• Angry dad → I Am Furious (Yellow)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Could also refer to another Simpsons episode: Angry Dad: The Movie; where 'Angry Dad' is the central plot point to both of them. This could be turned into a disambiguation or a section on List of recurring The Simpsons characters. Xeroctic (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Alazon, since the angry father is a stock character, common across many pieces of entertainment. senex iratus (angry father) is covered at Alazon -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:09, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. This is ambiguous, and Alazon isn't the right target for "dad". Angry Dad is red, and Search will help users looking for either Simpsons episode. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Middle Eastern terrorism

• Middle Eastern terrorism → Islamic terrorism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not all Middle Eastern terrorism is Islamic terrorism. C F A 18:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete but possibly consider redirecting to a new list article titled Terrorism in the Middle East which links to Terrorism in the United Arab Emirates, etc., to fit the naming scheme of articles like Terrorism in Europe?

YAQUBROLI ^{T | C} 00:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Siby Mathai

• Siby Mathai → AMM Higher Secondary School, Edayaranmula  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Non-notable high-school teacher. No reason this should be a redirect. C F A 18:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Term End Exam

• Term End Exam → United States Military Academy#Curriculum  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target; does not seem specific to West Point. Was a 2-line unsourced stub from 2009 that was immediately redirected, would be highly unlikely to survive Afd. Possible retarget possibilities include exam#final exam, but the lowercase term end exam or even term exam don't exist, so deletion is probably best. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• retarget to Academic term where the topic of an end of term exam is mentioned -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. It's clear why this was created, and it has no current utility. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Zhwe with breve

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted per criterion WP:G5

Did

• Did → Dissociative identity disorder  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's not clear whether or not any primary subject has been specified. KOLANO12 3 14:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• retarget to DID (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to DID (disambiguation). 〜 Askarion ✉ 16:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Either keep or retarget to Dodecadodecahedron, whose usage of "Did" is lower-cased, whereas every other entry on the dab page uses a normal all caps acronym. If the current target is already primary for the all-caps version, then this should still point there. If you think that it's not primary, then start a move discussion to move the dab page to the base name, at which point, the redirect should target that instead. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• It seems to me that this title and DID do not differ in terms of primary topic; the abbreviation for the polyhedron is too minor to be a contender. I suppose that means keep and tag as {{R avoided double redirect}}. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep or move DAB, there doesn't appear to be anything that uses a different capitalization per WP:DIFFCAPS so if there isn't a primary topic the DAB should be moved to the all caps base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I too can't see a different primary topic for Did or did. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• In my opinion, the primary topic would be the past tense of Do (verb). Retarget there and hatnote DID (disambiguation). -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Going to specifically oppose this target, because that is itself a redirect to Do-support, which would result in a bot fixing the double redirect. And the ultimate target is about a grammatical feature of do as an auxiliary verb, and not about the word as a whole. This would be kind of a surprising target for readers, especially being odd to search for the past tense anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. I agree with the view that this and DID aren't different in terms of primary topic. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Kitty cat

• Kitty cat → Cat  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possible WP:XY scenario here as Kitten could also be a plausible target. (In fact, Kitten actually was the target for 4 years between 2013-2017) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. The word "Kitty" appears seven times on Cats and the Internet - six of those references are to adult cats, only one to a kitten. And let us not forget "Kitty Cat Dance", more famous than any of them but deemed non-notable in 2007 (AfD discussion), which was about an adult cat. Tevildo (talk) 12:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  Cat, I'm a kitty cat! And I dance, dance, dance, and I dance, dance, dance. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as a standard term for a cat, regardless of age. I was a little surprised to see that we even have a separate article for kittens, but oh well. I'm also a little surprised to see that this isn't the title of anything that might need to be disambiguated, etc., so it looks like this is the way to go. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. In my opinion "kitty cat" is just a cutesy word for a cat, not a kitten specifically. Wiktionary's entry at wikt:kitty-cat seems to agree with me. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, there is no WP:XY violation because the Cat article also discusses kittens. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

GX9

• GX9 → Gugudan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Gx9 → Gugudan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There's a camera model called the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX9 which is commonly called the GX9 for short, and if I google "GX9", the majority of the search results on the front page are for the camera model and not the music group (which has been disbanded since several years ago). Now I'm just not sure whether to turn GX9 (all upper-caps) into a disambiguation page or to retarget it to the camera model. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate there's also Geely GX9, OneSat GX9 listed at Eurostar (satellite bus), Shaanxi GX-9 variant of the Shaanxi Y-9 ; so 5 entries for the dab page -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Six-a-side cricket

• Six-a-side cricket → Hong Kong Cricket Sixes#Match rules  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Hong Kong Cricket Sixes isn't the only tournament in this format, for example SEA Games also had the six-a-side format. Must be retargeted to a neutral target such as Short form cricket. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Short form cricket#Six-a-side cricket. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 South Korean Christmas coup attempt

• 2024 South Korean Christmas coup attempt → 2024 South Korean martial law crisis  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not referred to in this way either in target or in the news, did not happen on Christmas. Rusalkii (talk) 04:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Clear delete seefooddiet (talk) 05:09, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete Christmas sounds misleading ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 04:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom; not related to Christmas. charlotte ^👸🎄 21:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Mayflower wedge

• Mayflower wedge → 2014 Mayflower–Vilonia tornado  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Phrase not mentioned in target. Quick google suggests that this is most commonly a type of shoe; I was only able to find one source referring to the tornado this way. Rusalkii (talk) 04:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep (as redirect creator) - National Weather Service calls it a "wedge tornado". I've added it to the article. E_F⁵ 14:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete - Seems relatively implausible. If you know the tornado's shape, then you know that it's a tornado. I haven't heard any tornado referred to by itself as a "wedge" instead of just a tornado usually (except for chasers or people who've already established the tornado in context), even in other cases where the shape is a wedge. Departure– (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete - I can't find evidence of this being commonly used to refer to this tornado. Hog Farm _Talk 18:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per Departure. charlotte ^👸🎄 21:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Olive Delights

• Olive Delights → All of the Lights  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Meme referencing the sound of "All of the Lights", not mentioned in target and a quick google suggests it's sometimes used to refer to a food. Rusalkii (talk) 04:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, unmentioned, silly. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Yum! Delete per nom. charlotte ^👸🎄 21:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Meat and potatoes

• Meat and potatoes → wiktionary:meat and potatoes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is currently a soft redirect to Wiktionary, which discusses this solely as an idiom. However, this is also a culinary term referring to a class of dishes (see Category:Meat and potatoes dishes, so I don't think the Wiktionary entry covers all of what would be needed here. Hog Farm _Talk 03:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as an WP:XY, maybe even with the possibility for its own article (maybe there's a better target? but not seeing one). A Wiktionary redirect doesn't really address the problem here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• This should be an article, but barring that, delete per nom. charlotte ^👸🎄 21:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. There's nothing stopping any editor writing an article at the title. It's not WP:XY as a figurative expression, and there's no reason to delete it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Goth (Silverwing)

• Goth (Silverwing) → Kenneth Oppel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This no longer has a mention and the redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Silverwing (TV series) where the character is mentioned. Tevildo (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  I would oppose this retarget. A character in a book is different from a character in a TV show based on a book. Obviously the current target is no good, but since this character is not mentioned at Silverwing (novel), I think deletion is better. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Silverwing (TV series) where it is mentioned. The fact it isn't mentioned at another article isn't a reason to deny a redirect to an article where it is. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 24

CNN This Morning

• CNN This Morning → CNN This Morning with Kasie Hunt  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Someone created this redirect to CNN This Morning with Kasie Hunt and moved the original article that was at this title to CNN This Morning (2022) without any discussion. All the articles that linked to that original CNN This Morning article are now redirecting to the wrong page. Any ideas? Limmidy (talk) 22:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate or articl-ify like The Tonight Show. where each era has an article The Tonight Show with Jay Leno / The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson / The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien -- start with a disambiguation page, and then build out the series article -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Set-indexify per the IP editor. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The ambiguity is resolved by the current hatnote and a link in the lead. If there are incorrect incoming links then fix them. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

IMK-Peshmerga

• IMK-Peshmerga → Kurdistan Islamic Movement  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target; as far as I can tell this phrase is used in exactly one place anywhere online. Rusalkii (talk) 21:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Târnavele Blaj

• Târnavele Blaj → CS CIL Blaj  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. Quick google suggests this is a location(?) in Blaj, doesn't point to the team. Rusalkii (talk) 21:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Târnavele was the name of the team in the 1980s and comes from the rivers Târnava Mică and Târnava Mare, which together are called Târnavele. They will be mentioned in the article, but it will take some time. Here are two articles in Romanian, where the name of the team is mentioned. Florin (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

References

Interhistorical

• Interhistorical → Transhistoricity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. I can't detangle these philosophical terms very well but suspect they're different enough this isn't a great redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 21:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Tang kins

• Tang kins → Inner kins (Chinese)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Can't find any sources confirming this is an alternative name for the subject; not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 21:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep The first Chinese character translation ("堂亲“）is pronounced táng qīn, where qīn means "kin". The redirect seems suitable but perhaps I should add phonetic transcriptions to the article. The character táng means "hall" normally but is used one-off in this phrase as well. YAQUBROLI ^{T | C} 21:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per User:Yaqubroli and WP:CHEAP. This is a plausible translation of the Chinese term as 堂 táng has no straightforward English equivalent. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

The Zone Corporation

• The Zone Corporation → Stephen King  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to be King's company. Not mentioned in target, should be deleted unless a mention is added and I don't see a natural place for it. Rusalkii (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

South Asian Handball Federation

• South Asian Handball Federation → Handball  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Neither this organization nor handball in South Asia in general mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 21:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. This entity exists and Search finds 8 mentions, but no one article is a good target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Save The Montagnard People

• Save The Montagnard People → Degar State  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to refer to this organization, not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Trump's back

• Trump's back → Second presidency of Donald Trump  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Random descriptive phrase. I approved a number of Trump sequel and similar redirects from the previous user on the grounds that I've seen that phrasing actually used in the media, but this one is less of a title. Rusalkii (talk) 20:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• See also Donald Trump is back, Trump is back. Rusalkii (talk) 20:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Why are we seeing also instead of these being nominated in a bundle? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Because I have yet to figure out how to do bundle nominations properly. Rusalkii (talk) 23:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Rusalkii check out wp:massxfd, it's neat stuff lmao consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 11:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  "Trump's back" could refer to his actual spine, while "Donald Trump is back" is less ambiguous BarntToust 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Except we don't have an article on Donald Trump's spine yet User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete vague. Could easily refer to his return to corporate life after his first term -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Vague and not particularly useful for navigation, as most readers will search for something more specific. When I saw the title I assumed it was about the man's unusual posture. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete could easily mean the body part. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

James Abram

• James Abram → James A. Garfield  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:PTM, no evidence that the subject is known by his first + middle name. There's also potential confusion with James Abrams. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. There are at least two other potentially ambiguous terms. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Fluoroacetonitrile

• Fluoroacetonitrile → Chloroacetonitrile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Compounds are related but distinct; fluoroacetonitrile might well deserve a page of its own and appears nowhere on current chloroacetonitrile page. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 18:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. I can see no appropriate target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 NYC subway murder by burning

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

2026 Pro Bowl Games

• 2026 Pro Bowl Games → Pro Bowl  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, making this a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Women's Championship redirects

• 2018–19 Women's Championship → 2018–19 FA Women's Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2019–20 Women's Championship → 2019–20 FA Women's Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2020–21 Women's Championship → 2020–21 FA Women's Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2021–22 Women's Championship → 2021–22 FA Women's Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous titles which could be referring to a number of possible championships. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as they were all redlinks until today. There hasn't been an issue with 2022–23 Women's Championship, 2023–24 Women's Championship, and 2024–25 Women's Championship, which could also be considered ambiguous by the same standards could they not? To be honest it was just getting annoying when linking seasons trying to remember whether it was during the FA era or WC era. Now that the FA has been dropped, it's also very likely previous WC seasons are mistakenly linked as such. I haven't bothered linking during the WSL2 era, as generally there is less confusion or more distinction between these eras, although it's not a daft idea in order to find second tier seasons. CNC (talk) 16:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Noting that CNC is the original creator of these redirects. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per CNC since latter editions use this format and because Women's Championship is the undisambiguated title for this league. Even going through Women's Championship (disambiguation), everything else seems to be "[something] Women's Championship", which may be a WP:PTM issue. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

More "solider" redirects

• Super solider → Super soldier  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Solider with the Green Whiskers → Soldier with the Green Whiskers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Tin Solider → The Steadfast Tin Soldier  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Robert E. Lee and Young Solider → Robert E. Lee on Traveller  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) → Rich as in Spirit  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• For a lost solider → For a Lost Soldier  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Stereo Solider → DNA (Little Mix album)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Confederate solider → Confederate States Army  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Child solider → Children in the military  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Michael Gibson (British Army solider) → Michael Gibson (British Army soldier)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Brian Wood (solider) → Brian Wood (British soldier)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These redirects all have the same misspelling of "soldier," which was discussed in a previous RfD from last week. As its rationale says, "solider" is also the comparative form of "solid" and can also be a misspelling of at least several other words. Delete these unless someone can provide a justification or suitable alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 05:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment however, this is not a bare "solider", in the context of these redirects, there are no other topics that could be referred to by the entire redirect, other that as a mispelling typo by adjacent character transposition of "soldier", unlike a bare "solider" -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Weak keep most common form of typo. Unlike the bare single word "solider", these do not mean more solid, or other things -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
    • rename Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) to Foot Soldier (Rich Homie Quan song) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Delete Michael Gibson (British Army solider) and Brian Wood (solider) ; as it is the disambiguator that is being misspelled and not the base term. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Retarget The Tin Solider to The Tin Soldier as a {{R from typo}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Weak delete super solider, confusable with supersolid misconceptions -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
      • In theory you are right, but in many years of patrolling solider on this site I have noticed a very clear pattern of "super solder" being a very common typo for "super soldier" - something to do with comics I think. ϢereSpielChequers 05:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep all but stereo solider I have been patrolling the word "solider" on Wikipedia for many years, and in so doing created at least one of the above redirects by moving an article with that typo in its name. Solider does indeed have a genuine meaning, but most new occurrences on Wikipedia are typos of soldier and all of these redirects are in my view much more likely to come up as typos of soldier than because someone actually searches for say "confederate solider" because of something to do with confederates and solidity. So while I don't dispute the previous RFD, not everyone typing solider is making a typo and we shouldn't default just because the majority are probably wrong, in the above cases a correct use of solider would itself actually be odd. So we should keep these redirects other perhaps than "stereo Solider" which might as well be an alien language for me. ϢereSpielChequers 05:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

    Except why should "Stereo Solider" be deleted? What you said still apllies User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

    • "Stereo Soldier" is a song at the target of Stereo Solider, so it is a mispelling for a subtopic at the target DNA (Little Mix album). -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Thanks for digging that out, I've stuck my comment on that one. ϢereSpielChequers 14:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete all. Unnecessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• delete all that don't have "solider" as the first or second word, as it's too much stuff to type before making a minro spleling mistkae
• delete super solider, foot solider (rich homie quan song), solider with the green whiskers, and confederate solider as skill issues
• retarget the tin solider to... the tin soldier
• and i guess extremely weak keep the rest (which is... only stereo solider and child solider)

what a doozy... cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

"skill issues" are not valid criteria for deleting a redirect User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. The bare solider shouldn't reidrect to soldier, but all these are cases where "solider" is plainly a common typo for "soldier". In what context would someone be intentionally trying to find out how to make a child or Confederate more solid? Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 11:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, common typo. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete all. These are typos, not spelling errors, and there are (conservatively) billions of such possible letter transposition typos, with no particular affinity to the specific typos or topics here, as opposed to any other letter transposition (or adjacent key) typo that could be produced from any of these. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep most as a plausible typo with no potential confusion, but with some exceptions:

• Retarget The Tin Solider to The Tin Soldier. Self-explanatory.
• Retarget Brian Wood (solider) to Brian Wood (British Army soldier) – currently would be a double redirect due to a move on the same day this discussion was started. I also am neutral on deleting this one as an error in parenthetical disambiguation, and while it is from a move, the article was at the title for less than 36 hours.
• Move without redirect Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) to Foot Soldier (Rich Homie Quan song) – correct spelling, and a redirect should be at the latter. I could see an argument for just creating the redirect at the latter, but the former redirect has one use in the past year, so I don't think it's exactly useful.
• Brian Wood (British Army solider) should also probably be bundled in this discussion. My opinions on it are the same as with the other Brian Wood redirect. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete all. The targets are not difficult to find without spelling errors. The Tin Solider is just wrong. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Alex Shrub

• Alex Shrub → Grand Theft Auto: Vice City#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• But mentioned at List of fictional politicians#Congresspeople. Jay 💬 18:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: No pages currently link to the redirect; it has had 5 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to the list entry Jay pointed to (might be worth adding an anchor to the right spot). Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Not enough substance to warrant a redirect even at the list. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:38, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of fictional politicians#Congresspeople which tells the reader the same thing as search results do but quicker and more reliably. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Old Roman Empire

• Old Roman Empire → Roman Empire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I have no idea what this is supposed to contrast to. Veverve (talk) 19:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

You could figure out quite easily by clicking on New Roman Empire, Veverve. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

"New Roman Empire" is not mentioned anywhere at the target... Also, as a sidenote, aren't the Byzantine empire and the Holy Roman Empire the two well-known claimants to this title of New Roman Empire, instead of modern Italy? And what about the Third Rome claims? Veverve (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I presume they are saying that the Old Roman Empire is often searched for since there is already a redirect for the New Roman Empire.

This0k (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate the Roman colonial empire of the Roman Republic; the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire; the post-Republic East+West Roman Empire. Contrasts with the New Roman Empire. This is a succession of the evolution of the Roman Empire, from colonial empire adjunct to a republic, to the conversion of the republic into rule by Caesars, to the collapse of the west and the eastern rump Roman Empire being called the Byzantine Empire by Western European scholarship (though politically, it is the same entity as that before the collapse of the western portion) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Leave as is. It seems obvious to me that this phrase is used to contrast the original Roman Empire with the Byzantine Empire or other states claiming to be successors to the Roman Empire. It is not an especially common phrase, and does not seem to have a more specific meaning in academic use, such as the empire of the Roman Republic, the Principate, or the Dominate. Thus "Roman Empire" is the best target. P Aculeius (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• NOTE New Roman Empire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has also been nominated #New Roman Empire at RfD -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Clear contrast with "New Roman Empire" which is a term that gets used with some regularity. The target is thus accurate. Fieari (talk) 00:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. I think P Aculeius is right. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Ethan Herisse

• Ethan Herisse → Nickel Boys  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RETURNTORED to encourage creation. Has other credits in high-profile works such as all episodes of When They See Us. Nickel Boys may be his most prominent role to date, but that is unlikely to remain the case precisely because of the rise of his profile due to this role. Redirecting it to only one work he's appeared in is hostile to readers. Nardog (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; classic WP:RETURNTORED case. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 23

Country metal

• Country metal → Category:Country metal albums  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 20 § Country metal – no consensus
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 27 § Country metal – retarget

This was at RfD before. The closer decided to retarget to a Category because "a mention has not been added". Well, over a year later, a mention still hasn't been added. This should now be deleted, pending some mainspace content which is what a searcher will be looking for, and not be a cross-namespace redirect that inhibits Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Country rock#Country metal, which I've BOLDly restored to the article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Only one of the two sources mention the term "country metal", and the one that does does so only in the WP:HEADLINE and in quotation marks. This genre doesnt exist --FMSky (talk) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

There was consensus at the prior RfD to add a mention. A mention was added, which you then removed. In the absence of a new consensus to not have a mention, I added it back. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget doesn't need to be a XNR. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

ABA championship-winning player

• ABA championship-winning player → Category:NBA championship–winning players  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• ABA championship-winning players → Category:NBA championship–winning players  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• ABA championship–winning player → Category:NBA championship–winning players  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• ABA championship–winning players → Category:NBA championship–winning players  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These recent creations are cross-namespace redirects that I don't believe are appropriate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete all per WP:R#DELETE #6: It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space ...—Bagumba (talk) 08:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Bagumba: I do a lot of patrolling of redirects (#2 all time now in redirect patrols), and I'd love to hear more about what you think are appropriate redirects to category space (if any). I typically end up leaving them as unpatrolled because I just feel weird about them typically. Whether here or on my talk page, either is fine :) Hey man im josh (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Hey man im josh: I've always interpretted the guideline to be that crosspace redirs are generally discouraged. but I see that category redirects are exempt from WP:CSD R2. I would recommend creating the list (with sourcing), if notable, instead of a redirect. Otherwise, I've never thought much about appropriate exceptions. —Bagumba (talk) 05:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  AFAICT there are mixed opinions on XNRs to categories, but they lean anti-. I tend to view categories as reader-facing so I think this type of redirect can be the best option at times. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Regardless of its XNR status, this redirect isn't great at the minute because as far as I can tell the category does not include ABA-winning players. So I'm thus not sure why these redirects were created. List of ABA champions lists the teams, not the players. Delete. J947 ‡ ^edits 04:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, even if one was not opposed in principle to x-namespace, a reader landing here cannot readily tell an NBA player from an ABA one, rendering the redirect unhelpful. —Bagumba (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Pokémon 0

• Pokémon 0 → MissingNo.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible confusion with victini, which was #0 in the gen 5 games? consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep I know nowhere near enough about Pokémon to make a justified statement, but according to Bulbapedia, Victini is #0494 so this seems like a pretty cut and dry redirect. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 00:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

that's in the national pokédex. the unova pokédex had a whole plot point about victini specifically being #0 and how that was symbolic of... something. unown syndrome strikes again, as we still have no idea what it is consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 11:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

The best hypothesis I know about this is that Victini is first so that it would reduce how many blank Pokedex entries you would get upon receiving it. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Normally we wouldn't use Bulbapedia, but see the Unova Pokédex where it is listed as #000 in the 2010 games, Black and White. For an attempt at a reliable source, see GamesRadar+. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep If there is only other topic "Pokémon 0" could mean, than a hatnote on MissingNo should be enough. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Victini isn't even identified as #0 at its list so this usage can't even be a hatnote at this point. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Sha with dot below

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Oe with acute

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Shha with diaeresis

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

TicketSmarter

• TicketSmarter → The Vanguard Group  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Subsidiary not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

2031 Cricket World Cup qualification

• 2031 Cricket World Cup qualification → 2031 Cricket World Cup#Qualification  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect to a redirect, hence, the section for qualification doesn't exist there. There's also not relevant qualification info at the target if the redirect is bypassed (Cricket World Cup), making this a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: as WP:TOOSOON. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete The qualification process for this event has not been detailed yet, and so there are no details about it anywhere on Wikipedia. So redirect is misleading. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

2031 ICC Women's Champions Trophy

• 2031 ICC Women's Champions Trophy → ICC Women's Champions Trophy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, making this a misleading redirect for anybody who searches it. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: as WP:TOOSOON. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete This redirect assumes that it will happen every 4 years like the men's event, but this is not necessarily the case (it could just get cancelled after one occurance). No information on 2031 event exists, so redirect is misleading. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Snou Strait

• Snou Strait → Chyornye Bratya  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was created as the result of this deletion discussion but the problem remains that I found no evidence that anyone uses this transliteration of the supposed Russian, if only because it's supposedly named after a Mr. Snow, whose name was therefore supposedly transliterated into Russian. We really need to avoid making up fake English names for things through our own transliterations, so this redirect needs to go. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Regardless of the validity of this spelling, an article existed at this title from 2006 until last week. Since then, the spelling has been picked up by several travel sites in both Russian ([9]) and English ([10]) according to my Google searches. I think keeping is warranted given this error has now been in circulation for some time. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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Well, the other way to look at it is that some writer here decided to make up his own transliteration which has enjoyed some extremely limited dissemination by unwary WP copiers. And therefore we should suppress that by refusing to continue to amplify this by deleting the redirect. One could argue that the correct English spelling should be the English name that the Russian is itself transliterating in the firest place, but the fact seems to remain that we don't have a legitimate authority for this. Mangoe (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I would agree with you if the article hadn't persisted for so long. That is the main sticking point for me. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Chick-Fila

• Chick-Fila → Chick-fil-A  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Admittedly a pretty weak nom due to the capitalization and the dash, but couldn't it also be possible that a learner who doesn't natively speak english would also be looking for the chicken tenders article (as to which chick fillet isn't a redirect to but also wouldn't mind it existing) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep: I don't think people who are learning English as a second language would add the dash to be honest. I also think the more expected result for this redirect would be the current target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. There's a wide difference between "Chick-Fila" and "Chicken fillet", but a minor one between "Chick-Fila" and "Chick-fil-A". -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep – well-used redirect with no significant ambiguity. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Pregnant man

• Pregnant man → Male pregnancy#In humans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Pregnant men → Transgender pregnancy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Which is right? LIrala (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd say that both should link to the same place and that should be Transgender pregnancy. The section in Male pregnancy deals with two largely theoretical matters before very briefly getting on to things that actually exist in the real world. It doesn't even link to Transgender pregnancy, which is the most likely topic that the reader is actually looking for. Transgender pregnancy is much more likely to give the reader what they want and expect. I guess the other target might be acceptable if that section was substantially improved and included a link to Transgender pregnancy but, as it stands, the first redirect sends readers off to a poorly written section that doesn't give them what they are most likely looking for. This is likely to confuse and frustrate them. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Male pregnancy, and add a hatnote for transgender there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

  The hatnote is already on Male pregnancy#top of the page, so either move it, refine the target, or duplicate the hatnote. LIrala (talk) 04:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I would duplicate it -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Target both to the top of Male pregnancy which has a hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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Vettukathi

• Vettukathi → Machete  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

a south indian cutty boy (that's the formal term, right?), apparently mostly used to cut coconuts. seemingly probably notable on its own, but it's not mentioned in the article, and doesn't even seem to be a type of machete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Is this an Indian English language term? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• There is a mention at List of premodern combat weapons. There it is listed as a South Indian axe-like sword (although I don't like its definition of "axe-like"). I'm undecided whether it's better to target there or WP:REDLINK delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Romanian / moldovan language

• Romanian / moldovan language → Romanian language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Poorly formatted and confusing redirect. Also no incoming links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucjim (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep The language is known as Romanian or as Moldovan. The slash is viable. This is a completely lowercased redirect -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:12, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per anon. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. It would already be a stretch without the spacing around the slash, but with it, it's well beyond implausible. If it's known as one or the other, people will search for one or the other. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per the second IP. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hindh

• Hindh → Names for India#Hind / Hindustan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Hindh" isn't mentioned in that section (or anywhere, really). This would be borderline CSDable since there IS technically a prior consensus, but it's not the same target as it was when the previous discussion happened User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment al hindh also points to the same page -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 17:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment "Al Hind", "Hind", "Hindu", "Hindustan", "Hindhava", "Sindhava", are all defined at Hindustan -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 17:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Transsexuals

• Category:Transsexuals → Category:Transgender people  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Category:Homosexuals → Category:LGBTQ people  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Despite being Transsexuals being useful, it should be moved to Category:Transsexual people instead, to avoid derogation. While for homosexuals, it's misleading, not every LGBTQ individual experiences homosexuality or identifies as homosexual. However, I wouldn't oppose a move to Category:Homosexual people. LIrala (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I would propose Transsexuals -> Transsexual people and Homosexuals -> homosexual people. And make sure everyone in those categories identifies specifically with those terms. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 22

Draft:Haarvet

• Draft:Haarvet → Pommade  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:FORRED from Dutch, no connection to the topic Paradoctor (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• This redirect adds another keyword that this article can be found on in the Dutch language, so that readers in Dutch can more easily find the article they are looking for. The word 'haarvet' is synonymous with the term 'pommade' in dutch. Nozem-007 (talk) 18:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Readers searching for Dutch-language words can use the Dutch-language Wikipedia. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy delete, G6, as requested redirects should be made at WP:AFC/R instead. This one, however, should not, per WP:FORRED. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

  Didn't strike me as uncontroversial. Paradoctor (talk) 03:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: WP:FORRED with no particular affinity to Dutch, term not mentioned at the target page – and in any case it is just a recently created draft with no incoming links. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Johnson (soccer)

• Johnson (soccer) → List of 1904 Summer Olympics medal winners#Football  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Johnson (footballer) → List of 1904 Summer Olympics medal winners#Football  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  Bundled. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Ambiguous target, as there are multiple association football/soccer players with surname Johnson, as per List of people with surname Johnson. No evidence that people would be primarily looking for a 1904 Olympian (when the Olympics was not a big deal) over any other soccer player with that surname. Retarget to List of people with surname Johnson#Sports or delete would be better. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This redirect was created as result of an AFD where I supported redirecting: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnson (soccer). On further reflection, I decided that I thought the redirect was a bad idea, for the reasons above. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of people with surname Johnson and add anonymous uses there, to go along with soccer players who are not nameless -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of people with surname Johnson#Sports. The Olympian in question may have had that surname, but he's not the only player with it. There are multiple notable soccer players with that surname, and having that redirect target its current target can block people from accessing other articles (not to mention WP:ASTONISHing them). Regards, SONIC678 22:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. It's clear from the context why this was created. It was a bad idea though, and there's no reason why it would be at all useful in any other context. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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Trump the sequel

• Trump the sequel → Second presidency of Donald Trump  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only sites that mention a sequel to Trump are non-notable extremely right-leaning websites Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet, so delete per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

> as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet

a quote for the books Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, cheap, thing that exists. BD2412 T 14:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  hard, haaaard disagree. this can be used to keep literally any redirect, regardless of how problematic it is. as is, it could refer to literally anything gumshoos has done more than once cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  "Trump the sequel" gets about 40,000 Google hits, so there is definitely something there. BD2412 T 17:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  ignoring the use of "trump" as a verb (ie "team fortress 2 trumps its sequel"), do those hits refer specifically to his 2rd presidency? google is being mean again, and only giving me social media :c cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  ...and of course, the literal second i send that, i remember that i can tweak my searches. apparently "trump: the sequel?" is a... tv show? series? episode? podcast? i really can't make heads or tails of it or what the preferred target would be (maybe panorama? not entirely sure if it's the right one, and it's not mentioned there...), but i know it's not our resident carrot's own article cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, the title is a joke. 2401:7000:CD82:9000:4CFF:2C02:4B61:6F3C (talk) 22:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  Just because a title is a joke doesn't mean its an implausible search term. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  People expect more formality than that of an encyclopaedia. This reminds me of a case some years back when someone tried to set up "mommy milkers" as a redirect to breasts. 2401:7000:CD82:9000:4CFF:2C02:4B61:6F3C (talk) 11:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  and on top of that dreadful maneuver, they were WRONG! they're called mommy milkies! i mean what cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Informality doesn't matter in Wikipedia, we have A LOT of articles that a "normal" encyclopedia would not have User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  The treatment should be formal, the subject matter can be as silly as you like, as long as it is encyclopedic. Paradoctor (talk) 08:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, a quick google news search yields a number of reliable sources referencing Trump's second presidency as a sequel: [11] [12] [13]. Even the not-so reliable ones (opinion/paid pieces) [14] makes a case for this being a plausible search term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VolatileAnomaly (talk • contribs) 06:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as it has material.[15][16] 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 21:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• hmm, let's have a look at the citations in order, even though i'm absolutely no expert on burgerland political systems

  1. doesn't directly refer to his second presidency as a sequel. rather, it seems to be about his wacky hijinks in the not burning the world department
  2. i guess "the trump sequel" is close enough
  3. evidently refers to it as a sequel as a joke, but it's probably good enough
  4. seems to refer to everything about the presidency and how people are handling it, except what the annoying orange will actually do. also evidently refers to those effects as a sequel as a joke, but it probably works
  5. "hollywood's trump resistance: the sequel" is not the same as "trump: the sequel"
  6. oh, it's an episode of a tv program. hate that that's how i finally pieced it together, but it's about that episode, and not necessarily the presidency

  overall, i'm starting to think a better option would be returning to red until that episode of panorama is covered, though an astronomically weak keep would work as a second option cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  wait, what do you MEAN that episode was released in march!? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as editor who created it, Trump's next presidency being a sequel is pretty plausible, and if The Guardian, a UK newspaper of record is referring to it as so. there's going to be some note behind it. as for the anon who mentioned "mommy milkers", I cannot believe that's not been used to direct to Abigail Shapiro. BarntToust 15:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: It seems to me the most plausible target is Trump: Surviving at the Top, the sequel to Trump: The Art of the Deal. (It is described as a sequel in sources such as this one.) —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

2025–26 Santosh Trophy

• 2025–26 Santosh Trophy → Santosh Trophy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jay 💬 14:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

2029 Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup

• 2029 Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup → Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jay 💬 14:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: as WP:TOOSOON Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

2028 Under-19 Cricket World Cup

• 2028 Under-19 Cricket World Cup → Under-19 Men's Cricket World Cup  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jay 💬 14:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: as WP:TOOSOON Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

2027–2029 ICC World Test Championship

• 2027–2029 ICC World Test Championship → ICC World Test Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading redirect, as it's not mentioned at the target. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jay 💬 14:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: as WP:TOOSOON Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

2025–26 Senior Women's National Football Championship

• 2025–26 Senior Women's National Football Championship → Senior Women's National Football Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading redirect, not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Jay 💬 14:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per above. CNC (talk) 11:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

DYKO

• DYKO → Bombo Radyo Philippines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete or Keep Not mentioned at the target. 120.29.79.37 (talk) 07:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

was gonna say "delete per nom", but i'm pretty sure proxies count in sockstrike, so... delete per meeeeeee~

see also the edit history and this afd discussion cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the redirect was the result of an AfD outcome Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DYKO -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note DYKO-TV also exists as a redirect that is also unmentioned at its own target; it seems to be related, as it appears to be the same Philippine callsign of a differing use -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Remark Chris Dyko seems to be the only article that could use this. ALLCAPS surnames are a stylization used outside of Wikipedia in many places. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete at this capitalization. Let Search find any results. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Ghost town tornado

• Ghost town tornado → 2008 Picher–Neosho tornado  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambigious, plenty of towns hit by tornadoes have become ghost towns, https://weather.com/storms/tornado/news/tornado-ghost-towns-20130321 NotAGenious (talk) 21:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Why is this even a discussion? This redirect makes no sense. I'm sorry but it should be deleted because ???. Has nothing ti do with the article either.

This0k (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC) (sock strike. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC))

@This0k: It does; Picher, OK was declared a ghost town not long after the tornado as a result of its impact. E_F⁵ 03:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment It is not the only one so if anything this should be Disambiguated into multiple other tornados but regardless should not just have one target. This0k (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep By far the most notable “ghost town tornado”; the 2003 Manchester, SD, tornado doesn’t even come close. Only tornado with RSs saying that it “turned Picher into a ghost town”. E_F⁵ 22:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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I'd still argue that the page would be more useful redirecting to a more general explanation of the term, like Ghost town#Disasters, actual and anticipated. A list could be added with Pitcher, Manchester SD, Melva MO, Parrish, IL (as an example of something rebuilt), and so on.

I also disagree that RS for the specific term is required. A ghost town is an abandoned settlement, which can be abandoned for natural disasters. NotAGenious (talk) 17:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete to enable readers to use the search function. I'm finding very little evidence that the phrase "ghost town tornado" is being used at all, and even less referring to the Picher tornado as this. Hog Farm _Talk 19:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Proteen

• Proteen → Protein  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I could only find mostly NN brand names from a search for "Proteen", and one single YouTube account. Couldn't find anything about people misspelling "protein" as this User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, now I'm not saying keep because I created the redirect. In my opinion, proteen is a plausible misspelling. Plus, it sounds the exact same as "protein", so someone may think it is spelled as "proteen". RedactedHumanoid (talk) 18:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep plausible mishearing --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, as this seems to be used for about a billion different products, and at least one band. A WP search for "proteen" finds it used in a few places, such as a record label, a protein bar product, a TV show, etc. This redirect is harmful as it inhibits people searching for this exact word, especially while being a comparatively implausible spelling error -- an ngrams comparison shows "protien" to be a waaaaay more common error (and we can't even tell how many of the former are deliberate because of brand uses and such). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Johnny Woo (comics)

• Johnny Woo (comics) → Mega-City One#Judges  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirected to the current target in 2019, but now not mentioned there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the underlying article could be summary-merged (ie. take the intro para and the first line of the second para) into List of Judge Dredd characters. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Freak-off

• Freak-off → Diddy parties  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I just removed an unsourced mention of this phrase at target. Even if a source were added, they're not the same thing: Per [17], there are allegations of sexual exploitation at the White Parties, but that's distinct from the alleged freak-offs in hotel rooms. If there's a place this should target, it's Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations, but currently "Freak-off" only appears in citations there. If mentioned in the body of that article, I'd support a retarget. Else, delete. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 03:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

This does seem to be genuinely used as a term to refer to the Diddy Parties, as is reported by reliable sources with respect to the lawsuit. So it's used, and it seems to be a reasonable search term for something related to this. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Note that Freak off also has the same target and should be included in the discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 18:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Aiaiaiaiaiai

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bill C

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Starz Entertainment

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 29#Starz Entertainment

Korematsu

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Fastest man-made object

• Fastest man-made object → Parker Solar Probe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I would've CSD'd this but it's not the same target as the previous RFD at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_December_13#Xest_Y, so...

"Wikipedia is not a trivia cheat sheet. Feel free to nominate similar redirects here" - prev nom User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per this discussion. In short, these redirects make it easy to go to the desired page if the reader doesn't know the true name. 21 Andromedae (talk) 01:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per 21.Andromedae, and since this is mentioned twice at the target. CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Little Big Planet PSP

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

10 October 2022 massive missile strikes of Ukraine

• 10 October 2022 massive missile strikes of Ukraine → Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure (2022–present)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 10 October 2022 massive missile strikes on Ukraine → Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure (2022–present)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Barely used redirects with the extra descriptor of "massive". There are already similar redirects that begin with the same characters such as 10 October 2022 missile strikes on Ukraine. 1857a (talk) 01:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Cdi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

December 21

Brahuistan Province

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 29#Brahuistan Province

Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam

• Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam → November 2024 Amsterdam attack  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Holocaust in the Netherlands, where actual pogroms happened, is a better target than a WP:RECENT football hooligan clash. मल्ल (talk) 16:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands or delete. The Hooligan clash which was instigated by the Israeli supporters who where chanting let the IDF win to fuck the Arabs has nothing to do with pogroms. M.Bitton (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands indeed, similar to the plural version of this redirect. Generally speaking a pogrom has to be initiated or at least condoned by local authorities, which even the most cynical amongst us couldn't say happened here. Smallangryplanet (talk) 16:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete "Pogrom" is not an established or a widely used term, looking at the coverage of this incident WP:RNEUTRAL. Retarget to the suggested article is also fine. — hako9 (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect as suggested, but I suggest adding a {{for}} hatnote (not a {{redirect}} hatnote, for language reasons) to that target. It is supposedly being used in prominent sources (and probably social media but I'm not on Twitter) to refer to the recent ethnic hooliganism, but I agree that it's inappropriate and insensitive to refer to this as a pogrom when actual state-sanctioned pogroms actually happened here. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep - Redirects are navigation aids. With the target article saying that the President of Israel characterized the attack as a pogrom, that's sufficient to make it a reasonable search term. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  The purpose of the redirects is covered in WP:RPURPOSE. The President of Turkey characterized the president of Israel as a "genocidal murderer". Is that sufficient to make it a reasonable search term, and therefore, a redirect? M.Bitton (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Your analogy doesn't apply. Per WP:BLP, it would be inappropriate to put into the biographical article on the President of Israel the personal attacks that some other world leader made (although it would be appropriate to say that he has been criticized). Likewise, we do not put into biographical articles all the insulting "nicknames" that Trump has given all his political opponents.

  In the case of this redirect in question, the target article specifically has the term "pogrom" in the article, and there are no WP:BLP concerns.

  It's somewhat bewildering that this is not obvious, and I need to explain it. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 06:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  It's somewhat bewildering that you missed the obvious point: the president of Israel is not a reliable source for such a statement. His irrelevant opinion can be attributed to him, but that's about it. M.Bitton (talk) 14:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  WP:RS does not apply to redirects. The question about redirects is whether it's a plausible search term. The fact that the President of Israel called it a Pogrom, and it's in the article, makes it a plausible search term. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Preferably delete, the usage of pogrom seems to be isolated to biased sources and should be avoided for obvious WP:NPOV concerns. I think a retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands would only work if it is retarged to something specific on that page. Esolo5002 (talk) 08:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong keep. What happened yesterday in Amsterdam was characterized by reliable sources as a pogrom. This is stated in the lede of the target. What happened in the Netherlands during the Holocaust was mass-murder of Jews, but not a pogrom or a sequence of pogroms. In fact, that article does not mention pogroms and never uses the word.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  Have any of the WP:RSP described this as a pogrom in their own voice? — hako9 (talk) 11:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands or delete.

When I was a fresh-faced disambiguator, I came across an ambiguous link to a place in modern Belarus. I identified it.

The very next problem was identical. I solved that too.

The third one was the same, and I solved it as well.

At that point, I took a break, because for some reason I was unable to focus properly and was swearing uncontrollably. One of those three places, obliterated in the early 1940s, is commemorated by an engraved stone in the ground. The other two are not.

Calling the recent incident in Amsterdam a "pogrom" is an insult to all those who were victims of actual pogroms. FWIW, I have no Jewish heritage. Narky Blert (talk) 15:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy and Strong Keep - What happened in Amsterdam was horrific and it needs to be reflected as such. It has been described as a pogram and that's because it was one. MaskedSinger (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm going to try to say this as charitably as possible, but as someone whose relatives have had to flee actual pogroms during WW2, I feel I do need to say it:

  I find this comparison, made by heads of state or politicians and now defended by you, incredibly insensitive, deeply upsetting, and bordering, itself, on antisemitism, given how profoundly, by association, it minimizes the horrors of anti-Jewish pogroms and relativizes the atrocities of those that carried out pogroms. Especially now that it's become increasingly apparent the Israeli fans engaged in behavior that could itself, at best, be described as monstrous bigotry and cheers for ethnic cleansing.

  Either way, while I wanted to share how offensive I think this comparison actually is, I'm aware my feelings on the subject matter little. The only question that should be considered here is: per RNEUTRAL, is this term one that's been established by reliable sources to have due weight and therefore meets the criteria for NPOV redirects? I don't have an answer to that myself as I haven't looked at the proportion of sources that use the term, but I think that's what should be focused on here. LaughingManiac (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

  @LaughingManiac How is calling it a pogrom bordering on antisemitism? MaskedSinger (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

  I said what I said and have laid out my reasons for saying it already. Take it or leave it at that. LaughingManiac (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep A very quick Google search demonstrates that the term “Amsterdam pogrom” and “pogrom in Amsterdam” are being widely used to describe the article topic. This strikes me a reasonable search term; I personally used the redirect to initially find the article. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC) EDIT: under wikipedia:RNEUTRAL we are permitted to use non-neutral redirect titles and are in fact given extra leeway because redirects are less visible to readers. Given that the the term has been frequently used in reliable sources and given that it is a reasonable search term for readers to utilize, I really do not see a justification to delete. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 23:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget or just delete - the reliable sources used in the article which I spot-checked do not describe this event as a pogrom; at most they quote Israeli officials doing so. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 02:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete The sources are not describing this as a pogrom. Netanyahu is not a reliable source for what this article should be called. Parabolist (talk) 11:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete An unfortunate event with poor behavior all around does not meet the definition of a progrom. If someone has called it that that can be reflected in the article text but we shouldn't be saying it was one. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong delete or redirect as suggested. Not a pogrom, though there was violence against Jews. Natg 19 (talk) 21:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands. This feels like another case of WP:RECENTISM. 67.209.128.164 (talk) 08:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Retarget WP:RECENTISM in full swing. Lavalizard101 (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands per Ymblanter. The segregation and deportation of Jews in the Netherlands was a gradual and meticulous process. The holocaust article also has no redirects or incoming links from articles having "pogrom' in the title. If a president naming a recent incident as a pogrom, is irrelevant opinion, a group of Wikipedia editors characterizing the Holocaust in the Netherlands as comprising of a pogrom, is not any less. But if we have other redirects titled "pogrom" targeting holocaust articles where "pogrom" is not mentioned, or pogroms didn't happen, then I would like to look at those, and possibly reconsider. Jay 💬 08:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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• What is the connection from this discussion and the one at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 25 on the same redirect? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  It is not the same redirect. The one at the November 25 page - the plural Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam, was nominated when its target the singular Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam, was an article. The singular was BLARd around 5 hours after the first nomination, and it was nominated (current redirect under discussion) another 5 hours later, and it was too late to bundle them together. Jay 💬 08:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or, alternatively, retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands which covers actual pogroms. This is classic WP:RECENTISM and the article was originally created as a WP:POVFORK. - Ïvana (talk) 02:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Can you point me to where The Holocaust in the Netherlands covers actual pogroms? Jay 💬 16:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete – The Holocaust in the Netherlands does not appear to cover pogroms, and the use of this to 'November 2024 Amsterdam attacks' is a massive neutrality violation.

TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. As the target notes, any commentators incorrectly called the attack a pogrom. Neutrality isn't an issue per WP:RNEUTRAL. The Holocaust article does not speak about any pogroms in Amsterdam or elsewhere but rather an efficiently brutal genocidal administration, so it does not appear to be an accurate historical rendering to target this there. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete This was an incident but no pogrom. Hopelessly biased. The suggested retarget "The Holocaust in the Netherlands" is not sensible, as it does not cover any pogrom. The Banner talk 12:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam

• Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam → November 2024 Amsterdam attacks  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect doesn't direct to a pogrom -- haminoon (talk) 06:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, pogrom = Riot, given that there were assaults, it could be assumed that there are riots in the area. For the record, there is currently a discussion on the target article's talk page about moving to November 2024 Amsterdam attacks. ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Struck per WP:ARBPIA's extendedconfirmed restriction. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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delete, - is inflammatory and ignores context HorrorEnvironment8 (talk) 06:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC) Hi. I see that you have registered today and the only edit you did id on this page. Do you mind to elaborate your point? With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC) merge at minimum, as this contains RS-supported relevant information not in the other article. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 07:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• merge what little there is, place a redirect if really necessary, but I think due to how general the title is, that due to WP:RECENT within a few months it will be back here to be deleted due to lack of precision. TiggerJay (talk) 08:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and merge, as many RS call it this way:

1. The Jerusalem Post (1, 2, 3, 4)
2. The Times of Israel (1, 2, 3, 4)
3. Reuters (1 - quote)
4. JSN (1)
5. New York Post] (1 - quote)
6. The New York Sun (1, 2)
7. BBC (1, 2, 3)
8. Israel Hayom (1)
9. Arutz Sheva (1, 2)
10. The Jewish Chronicle (1)
11. The Spectator (1)
12. The Forward (1)
13. Ynet (1)
14. The Jewish Press (1)
15. Newsmax (1, 2)
16. Legal Insurrection (1)
17. Townhall (1)
18. Israel Today (1)
19. And more.

With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The vast majority of these sources are not calling it a pogrom in their own voice and are simply quoting people describing the event as such, or just mention it in the headline (WP:HEADLINES). The only sources that are asserting it was a pogrom are 6: Townhall (WP:MREL), Legal insurrection (not a RS, looks like a glorified blog), Israel National News (not a RS, it's an Israeli Zionist media network), NYSun (a conservative news website known for dishonest reporting), a blog from ToI (WP:NEWSBLOG) and finally, and unsurprisingly, Jpost (not precisely known for fact checking and currently under discussion re: their reliability). - Ïvana (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands, would be much more proper than a WP:RECENT football hooligan riot. (Same as the singular redirect.)

Smallangryplanet (talk) 16:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• I didn't understand this RFD because the redirect under discussion here, Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam, pointed to a different article, November 2024 Amsterdam attacks so I reverted that edit. But the target article mentioned here, Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam is another redirect, not an article. So, this discussion needs to be withdrawn or reorganized because right now it doesn't make sense. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Put on hold. As long as the singular title exists as a redirect, there's no possible reason to treat this separately from it; any retargeting there should be performed here too. If the singular gets deleted, this should be deleted too — no good reason to delete singular and keep plural. And if anything else happens to the singular (e.g. converted to disambiguation page), this should remain a redirect there, since it's 100% related and wouldn't be a double redirect. Nyttend (talk) 23:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @Liz and Nyttend: The Pogrom redirect had been correctly tagged already, but I've updated the listing above to include both. @Smallangryplanet and Unknown Temptation: You are the only commenters whose !votes seem like they might be different for Pogrom rather than Pogroms, so pinging you in case you'd like to comment further. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I have reverted the listing of the Pogrom redirect here to avoid confusion. The singular is already being discussed at the November 24 page, and a duplicate listing here could prompt new/existing participants to start voting on that. Smallangryplanet already has the same opinion in both discussions. Participants who wish to discuss the singular can do so at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam. Jay 💬 07:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands. Let's get real here. I don't know the ins and outs of what happened in Amsterdam the other night. What I do know is that it did not kill three quarters of the Jews of the Netherlands. [18] If Greek or Armenian football fans were to be non-fatally attacked in modern Istanbul, that is obviously not the primary idea of anti-Greek/Armenian pogroms in Istanbul Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete or, alternatively, retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands which covers actual pogroms. This is classic WP:RECENTISM and the article it was originally redirected to was created as a WP:POVFORK. - Ïvana (talk) 02:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Can you point me to where The Holocaust in the Netherlands covers actual pogroms? Jay 💬 07:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. As the target notes, many commentators incorrectly called the attack a pogrom. Neutrality isn't an issue per WP:RNEUTRAL and the use of the word is discussed at the article. The Holocaust article does not speak about any pogroms in Amsterdam or elsewhere but rather an efficiently brutal genocidal administration, so it does not appear to be an accurate historical rendering to target this there. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete This was an incident but no pogrom. Hopelessly biased. The suggested retarget "The Holocaust in the Netherlands" is not sensible, as it does not cover any pogrom. The Banner talk 12:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The Tabernacle

• The Tabernacle → Tabernacle (concert hall)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Many other entries at Tabernacle (disambiguation) are referred to as "The Tabernacle", and I don't think this concert hall is the clear primary topic among them. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

*Keep That's the point. It's to make the concert hall easier to find since there are already a lot of places with the same name. Also as seen on Tabernacle (concert hall) it is often called "The Tabernacle" as with most concert halls have a "the" and are more likely to be searched for that way. The only other option is to disambiguate but I am against that as none of those links to it link anywhere else but the concert hall anyway. This0k (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. KOLANO12 3 20:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to tabernacle, which is already the primary topic for "tabernacle." Most of my Google hits refer to the Biblical structure, and I even live near Atlanta where the current target is located. I am not opposed to retargeting to the DAB page, but that is my second choice. At any rate, do not keep. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

  The retarget won't make sense since a bunch of bands that have played at the concert hall are linked to this current target. It sould most likely have to be Disambiguated. This0k (talk) 17:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

  The links can always be piped. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to the PTOPIC, per Presidentman, which has a hatnote to the dab page already. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget. This redirect was a well meaning redirect to an ambiguously named building, but I agree with Presidentman that sources suggest the biblical structure is the primary topic for the phrase "the tabernacle". Redirect to either tabernacle, or tabernacle (disambiguation) as a second choice. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 04:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• REtarget to the disambiguation page, as being overly ambiguous -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to the DAB as the concert hall has 802 views and doesn't use the definate article in the title but the Notting Hill one has 212, the Machynlleth one has 18 and the Scottsville, Kentucky one has 15[[19]] and those do use the definate article in the title. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Tabernacle as WP:PTOPIC, which has a hatnote to the DAB. I think this is the best option, but I would not strongly object to targeting the DAB first, since the first link at the top is the PTOPIC in question. I do object to keeping the current target. If current wikilinks target this redirect, they should be piped or otherwise corrected. Fieari (talk) 03:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Tabernacle. I do think that The Tabernacle (both capitalized) is going to most often refer to the entity that contained the Holy of Holies, rather than a small concert hall in the U.S. State of Georgia. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Tabernacle. Given that we have a primary topic of "Tabernacle", which normally appears in sentences with "the" and often appears capitalized, I think including "the" and capitalizing "Tabernacle" don't demonstrate the reader's intention of looking for a different topic. Adumbrativus (talk) 00:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  But even though the generic meaning does use the article isn't it normally used as a modifier rather than part of the name just like The Americans v Americans so wouldn't the DAB be better? Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think that case is distinguishable. Intuitively, and ngrams seems to agree, "Tabernacle" is much more often preceded by "the" than "Americans" is: ngrams * Tabernacle (or * Tabernacle,* tabernacle) vs. * Americans. Then it's correspondingly less likely that "the" makes a difference to the primary topic. Adumbrativus (talk) 06:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

FC Türkiye II

• FC Türkiye II → FC Türkiye Wilhelmsburg  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This could refer to the B-team of the target club, but it isn't mentioned in that page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - if the other thing this could refer to isn't mentioned on Wikipedia, then the redirect is fine. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

  Please see WP:RSURPRISE. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nomination. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep Per Ivanvector. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The nomination is not about ambiguity, so I didn't understand the keep votes. Jay 💬 16:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  I too was confused about those. I guess my nomination statement wasn't clear enough. I meant that "FC Türkiye II" does not seem to refer to the main team of the soccer club FC Türkiye Wilhelmsburg. It might refer to the B-team of the same club, but there is no mention of this phrase in the current version of the article. Hope that clarifies things, Ivanvector and Pppery. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 17:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, lacking mention and to be honest probably ambiguous with Turkey national football B team even despite that not being a club (an FC). Or even TFF 2. Lig. J947 ‡ ^edits 01:09, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

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200cc

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Cisidentity

• Cisidentity → Cisgender  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Transidentity → wiktionary:Special:Search/transidentity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Wiktionary or their equivalent -gender articles? LIrala (talk) 17:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really seeing the point of those redirects but redirecting to Wiktionary seems unlikely to be helpful. It seems like they should both link to the articles but maybe I'm missing the point here? --DanielRigal (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@DanielRigal The point of the redirects? The terms are more used academically in journals or activist writing in English, and are the literal translations of the terms French Wikipedia uses in the mainspace titles, probably because of WP:NOUN policies plus the terms being more formal in French. Cisidentity, specifically, seems to be a protologism. I guess people redirect them to Wiktionary because the terms are not mentioned in the main articles. Though recently some egregious groups started using them to mean "cisid" and "transid". LIrala (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe they should be mentioned in the main articles then? I'm not sure to what extent French terminology should guide us but if redirecting to Wiktionary makes more sense for reasons that I'm not getting then that's fine. I do think that both should do the same thing though. It's confusing if parallel terms are treated differently. --DanielRigal (talk) 04:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree and understand your confusion. I have the same opinion of yours. LIrala (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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JuxtaposedJacob: are you interested in helping this issue? The term is used in:

1. https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA58521436&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10746846&p=AONE&sw=w
2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-psychiatry/article/why-and-how-to-support-depsychiatrisation-of-adult-transidentity-in-icd11-a-french-study/3F7D1966A924FAF172F1E36DA411A361
3. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014385523000348

Cisidentity: https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/37406/1/9783839430200.pdf#page=64 and https://www.transcript-open.de/pdf_chapter/bis%204699/9783839444412/9783839444412-004.pdf

You can also check fr:cisidentité and fr:transidentité. Do you think it fits transgender terminology section?

And what about the redirect non-cisgender, now that gender modality exists. LIrala (talk) 05:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I think that transidentity should redirect to Transgender to reflect the cisidentity redirect. The first source you linked is not relevant because it is an economics source. The other two seem like they are in use only to provide a word that is closer to the French studies' meanings than other English words; they is no evidence that either word is more an artifact of translation than anything else. Thus, I think we should link to the respective articles. If there is some source out there that describes them in much greater depth, or if more sources are published describing/using them, then, by all means, we should create a new article from a redirect, as I did in Gender modality.

You could stand to create a separate RfD on non-cisgender.

I also think that, if we do end up choosing to write about the terms, then we could have a broader gender terminology article, perhaps including Gender modality and the transgender terminology section. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 15:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Legends Drum and Bugle Corps

• Legends Drum and Bugle Corps → List of defunct Drum Corps International member corps  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Does not appear at target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I removed it from the target page since it no longer fits the criteria of the list (i.e., a multiple-time finalist in the World Class division). However, I would not be opposed to keeping it purely to preserve the page history. Why? I Ask (talk) 09:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Hold on... the criteria of the list reads list of defunct Drum Corps International member corps, particularly those that have been finalists multiple times. The Legends Drum and Bugle Corps seems to satisfy that. Am I missing something? Andrewa (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

    They have not been finalists overall, only in the lower division (which most make since it is smaller). The only time a lower-division corps has made finals was the Magic of Orlando in 2002. Why? I Ask (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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*Delete. There is no need for this, no important links to it nor is it of any substance. It's probably best to delete this redirect entirely as it has also been removed from the target article.

This0k (talk) 12:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Complex math

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Common lime

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Sarsanghachalak

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List of Sarsanghchalaks of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.

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December 20

The Modernist Studies Association

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⚧︎

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Miami Beach Hall of Fame

• Miami Beach Hall of Fame → Miami Beach Convention Center  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I have added a mention. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Now mentioned at target. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Colin Levy

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super mario land 4-6

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Blunt weapon

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Melee weapon

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N00b

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Yemen-Taizz

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Sapcex drone ship

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Portal:Kyrgyzstan

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Portal:Bhutan

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Portal:Kazakhstan

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Portal:Armenia

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Portal:Albania

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Virus Barrier

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Maria, Hilfe der Christen

• Maria, Hilfe der Christen → Mary, Help of Christians  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the title in German, but the target doesn't seem to have anything to do with the country or language. Delete per WP:RLANG. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• This link is from Church of the Assumption (Saint Paul, Minnesota), which was built by German immigrants with a Marian shrine dedicated to her title as Maria, Hilfe der Christen. I made a redirect it to the English article to help readers make the connection. Why delete that? NeroSpicy (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep unless incoming link is first updated. As it stands, it's a bit Easter-eggy. Might be better to modify the text to Maria-Hilf ([[Mary, Help of Christians]]) or just use the English term. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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There's vomit on his sweater already

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Hallelujah night

• Hallelujah night → Guadalcanal campaign  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, but is a term used in a least one book (Guadalcanal: The Definitive Account). However, Google results are all associated with a Christian alternative to Halloween, and the only use of the term on enwiki is in a reference at Halloween. Not sure what's best here, but the status quo is likely astonishing to at least some searchers. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete It is an obscure reference compared with others with no actual context in the targeted article. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• The term is singular lower-case of Hallelujah Nights. LIrala (talk) 01:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as ambiguous with no one correct target, and only one occurence in Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate - We have an attested, cited use of the term in a book for this target. I definitely have heard of the renaming of Halloween in churches, that seems very widespread. The song linked by LIrala above is a good match as well. I think this is worthy of a disambiguation page with at least these three targets. Fieari (talk) 01:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  +1 - This is clearer for our readers, as well. 22:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC) JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate with at least Halloween, Guadalcanal campaign (the current target) and Hallelujah Nights Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
  • A disambiguation page could not be formed because of MOS:DABMENTION. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

    I have added mention to Halloween. Jay 💬 10:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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9/28/2022

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September 28, 2022

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Tradiční Lovecký salám

• Tradiční Lovecký salám → Salami  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

lovecký salám (hunting salami, apparently) is mentioned in the article, but not necessarily its "traditional" variant. has incoming links, but their classification as traditional seems to be unsourced and not necessarily correct cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

should mention that lovecký salám already exists, so the links could easily be fixed, if any fixing needs to be done cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Lovecký salám was applied for as a EU Traditional Speciality Guaranteed-product (TSG). That means that -in order to use the name- all products in the EU have to be produced according to the specs provided in the application. following opposition, the name Tradiční Lovecký salám was accepted as a TSG (see here). That means that one can use the name Lovecký salám without regards to what the product looks like, but Tradiční Lovecký salám is subject to the characteristics in the description. The name is therefore worth a redirect as people may be interested and this is the closest page we can offer. Having said that, the current characterisation of Lovecký salám as a TSG i incorrect; and I will change that. An alternative is redirecting to List of traditional specialities guaranteed by country, but for me that feels too generic... L.tak (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• L.tak has provided a lot of useful information, but that should have been in the article. Delete per nom, if the target doesn't say what the redirect term is. Jay 💬 20:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep per L.tak's changes. Thanks. Jay 💬 07:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

corrected the page now in line with what I stated. Thanks for bringing the oversight to my attention. L.tak (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Struck my keep. JacktheBrown removed the change as it was not a wikilink. Jay 💬 06:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Is that actually necessarily a problem, JacktheBrown? Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 16:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots

• Draft:Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots → Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this redirect can be deleted under the G6 criteria for maintenance, since it can never serve as a plausible link to the target page. Will be looking forward to the community's input. Keivan.f^Talk 03:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:RDRAFT. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 12:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral/delete per nom. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:09, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Histmerge this please. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Histmerge a WP:Cut-and-paste move ; same as WP:MAD you should not be deleting the contribution history. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't see why a histmerge is necessary; Omnis Scientia was both the author of this redirect's previous revisions and the editor who copied them over to the target, so WP:NOATT would apply. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I ran into some complications when moving it to mainspace, with it saying the "page of that name already exists" i.e. the redirect. I saw this as the best course of action at the time so I support whatever course is taken here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per mwnv and histmerge per J947. Agree with jlwoodwa that histmerge is not really necessary, but given Omnis Scientia's statement that she wanted to perform the move but could not because of technical reasons, it is only fair that the prior revisions are maintained. Jay 💬 07:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Kind Mr. Seon Ju

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December 19

Wolf Beil

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Guy (Fire Emblem)

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Super Mario Land 7

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Biokinton

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Nine Years' War (version 2)

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2026–27 UEFA Women's Europa Cup

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Movie Trivia Schmoedown

• Movie Trivia Schmoedown → Valnet#Collider  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect's original target, Collider (website), merged into the new target as a result of this discussion in October 2024. The content related to this program did not merge over, thus resulting in no mention at the new target. Jalen Barks (Woof) 15:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Is it, for any reason, worth mentioning at the new target? BD2412 T 17:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Wasn't mentioned in the last version before the merge either. Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27#Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

Maria Maceiras

• Maria Maceiras → Juan Maceiras#Sister  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Links to article that had fan-cruft shoved in to support this redirect. UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep There is relevant content at the target, which is the only mention of a person by this name on enwiki. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep since subject is mentioned at the target. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• The article was inflated with excessive details of his family. I have trimmed it significantly to: His sister Maria Maceiras is a semi-amateur poker player. Jay 💬 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Which isn't really enough substance to warrant a redirect. Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Vietcong01

• Vietcong01 → Juan Maceiras#Father  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Links to article that had fan-cruft shoved in to support this redirect. UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete as this sounds like another act of wikilittering. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep per @Presidentman's vote on a discussion with nearly the exact same precedent User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Someone-123-321: Can you link to said comment? At this moment this vote lacks any meaningful context. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep, mentioned at target. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Right now it's only mentioned in a reference title. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Seijistar

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Titans Event

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Andrey Novak

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2021 ICC Champions Trophy

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27#2021 ICC Champions Trophy

Wikipedia:REPORT

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

アメリカ

• アメリカ → List of My Hero Academia chapters#vol34  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is the Japanese word for "United States". The current target is unlikely to be what an ordinary reader is trying to find for when they type this into the search box. Retarget to Names of the United States#Names in the Asian cultural sphere where discussed; compare previous discussions on 미국 and 美利坚合众国. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment "アメリカ" says America, not United States. Japanese Wikipedia has a disambiguation page for this term ja:アメリカ (曖昧さ回避), where the primary topic is the United States of America (アメリカ合衆国); アメ (ame) does not exist (is a redlink), though it could also mean USA -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
  • One could make a section in Naming of the Americas to cover the uses that come from that disambiguation page for the Japanese langauge naming of the Americas -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
  • "アメリカ" says America, not United States - in Japanese, far more strongly than in English, the word "Amerika" standing alone is understood to be a reference to the country and not the continent. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 09:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment the redirect should carry disambiguation to point to where it does. アメリカ (My Hero Academia) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 09:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Heavy vehicle

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ella, maldita alma (Tv Series)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Nightb***h

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27#Nightb***h

Thrustship

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete Yevethan thrustship can be nominated separately, since the bundling suggestion was not acted on and this has now been open for 3 weeks

Ascensorium

• Ascensorium → Stairs  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

results gave me "things that make you go up" in general, but mostly hiking equipment. mentioned in #terminology as a synonym for spiral stairs, but it seems the meaning has been changed cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep Online search for me only shows stairs and latin/polish results. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep I could find stairs and stairs only User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Wikipedia is not ascensored Unlikely search. Obsolete ecclesiastical term[20] deriving from medieval Latin - Wiktionary would be a better place to search for ascensorium, although it doesn't currently have an entry for it.  — Hex • talk 16:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

actionable pun detected consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 16:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per hex. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Christmas Island

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Beyoncé (given name)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wikipedia:RFD/2018 November 18

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep

2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27#2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27#Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

L is real

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Trafozsatsfm

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26#Trafozsatsfm

December 18

Colin Mitchel Robert v. The United States

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

The Man Who Sold The World(Nirvanacover)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

0-3-5

• 0-3-5 → Smoke on the Water  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mentions of these numbers in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Keep. This is the tablature for (an incorrect way of) playing the opening riff, and is well-known among guitarists as the mark of the amateur. However, it isn't mentioned at present in the article - if reliable sources can't be found, then deletion is probably the way to go. Tevildo (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment According to Reddit [21], this is guitarist slang for that song. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per the above. If that's the case, there's no mention of it at the target, and is thus misleading to someone searching for such information, and WP:RASTONISHing to anyone who doesn't already know what it is. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't think we should hear "this is guitarist slang" and think that's obscure. There are a lot of guitarists out there. Even if it's just rock guitarists, it's virtually every rock guitarist. lethargilistic (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

delete, essentially per nom. no opposition to keeping it if a reliable source can be found and inserted into the article, but as is, i'm not in the mood to rely on already knowing a joke to figure out why a redirect exists consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 01:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

also pretty lucky that it's 0-3-5. if it was 0-2-5, results would be 99% btd6 consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 01:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per Consarn. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The Boys Are Back in Town (to kill you)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

I smell of wine and cheap perfume

Closed discussion', see full discussion. Result was: Delete

ITEOTWAWKI

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Do as proposed by Fieari

Argufying

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

O'Doyle Rules

• O'Doyle Rules → Billy Madison  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The text is not mentioned in the redirect target, so the redirect should be deleted. This has been discussed at Talk:Billy Madison#O'Doyle Rules. Graham87 (talk) 11:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak keep; not doing any harm, and on par with redirects such as What we've got here is failure to communicate. Admittedly the capitalization is odd, and O'Doyle rules/O'Doyle rules! are not redirected. --Quuxplusone (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, or weak soft redirect to q:Billy Madison. Jay 💬 08:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete as per standard. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

HammerHead (company)

• HammerHead (company) → Shadow Master  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Barely mentioned in target article for its existence. Obscure company which developed four games and is not notable for any more than that, and there is no suitable redirect target with sufficient info on the company. MimirIsSmart (talk) 14:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

delete per nom. no sources in the history, so it's not worth keeping cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• The Hammerhead dab says Hammerhead (company) is a subsidiary of SRAM Corporation. Retarget to SRAM Corporation#Hammerhead. Jay 💬 08:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• SRAM Corporation#Hammerhead probably shouldn't exist - that entire section is too directory-ish. If it exists it remains a reasonable target, though. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

PITNOL

• PITNOL → Pride (In the Name of Love)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Pitnol → Pride (In the Name of Love)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

As below, no evidence that this song is referred to by either of these initialisms. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom and a past precedence. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - Google shows this is ambiguous, and when it refers to a song, it refers to a song by a non-notable artist that expressly named the song P.I.T.N.O.L. Fieari (talk) 04:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per previous consensus and my reasoning at other song acronym titles. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Plenty of precedence for a deletion result. Steel1943 (talk) 07:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, here's my favorite attestation I found. Ambiguity with a song by a non-notable artist has no weight because it's not covered by Wikipedia. Anyone wanting to find information about that song on Wikipedia will not find it with or without this redirect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

EWtRtW

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus

2029 Women's Cricket World Cup

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Hurricane Katrina (lists)

• Hurricane Katrina (lists) → Hurricane Katrina  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possibly redundant with the "lists", at least should be retargeted A1Cafel (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• This redirect has a fairly extensive history, with some content being merged to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 across a few edits before the article itself was restored until 2007. I don't know if there's an easy way to check if any of that content has persisted to the current article. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 18:03, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of storms named Katrina; we can't delete it because WP:MAD attribution requirements. However, the title itself should point to the list article. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as-is due to the history. This is not a way lists are titled, so there would be no expectation of searching for a list in this fashion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
  • It would show up in the searcbox dropdown, so one would expect it to link to a list -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Forcible confinement

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 28#Forcible confinement

Failed star

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Hurricane Katrina (contents)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Flag of North Yemen

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to Flag of Yemen#North Yemen

Specialization in bees

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Disambiguate

TikTok Rizz Party

• TikTok Rizz Party → Brain rot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the current target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, I have added content to the target regarding the redirect. jolielover♥talk 04:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  What are you actually opposing? No specific proposal has been made; merely that this has been brought up for discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Specify to Brain rot#Origin and usage due to @Jolielover's additions Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Specify? Do you mean "refine"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  I use specify as I find it slightly clearer Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and revert the above addition as trivial. Even without the revert, there's no actual information about this, merely a passing mention. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per 35.139.154.158. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

BlueSky

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Conspiracism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Re-refine

YV (rapper)

• YV (rapper) → Zone 4 Inc.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

We only have a passing mention of him in the target, and this redirect misleads potential YV fans into thinking we have more about him than we actually do Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep I can't see how anyone is misled. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC).

R&B

• R&B → Rhythm and blues  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Retarget to Contemporary R&B.

As said on talk page, absolutely barely any articles say "Contemporary R&B" when referring to "Contemporary R&B" they just say "R&B". Having this re-direct stops lots of frustration of people redirecting to the Rhythm and Blues genre when it is a Contemporary R&B song. Please see here on how Contemporary R&B is mentioned, it's the modern day now and Contemporary R&B has gained far more notability and is now the WP:COMMONNAME and look at most Contemporary R&B article you'll notice most publications simply wrote "R&B" when citing Contemporary R&B.Eg HotNewHipHop,Billboard,The Guardian.This0k (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)} WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment – there are 10,000 links to this redirect so a retarget or conversion into a disambiguation page should be made very carefully. Nevertheless, I believe that a disambiguation page between these two genres is probably ideal. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Support A conversion into a disambiguation page, when done carefully, is fine with me.

  This0k (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC) (your nomination is your "vote" Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC))

This can't have one target. The nom's propose change will also frustrate people; also, their rationale seems partially based on WP:RECENTISM. I will draft a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per above. मल्ल (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

• The nominator, User:This0k, has been blocked as a sock. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy close as the nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet, per WP:DENY. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  As there are substantial !votes by editors who are not sockpuppets, I'm not going to speedy close it. I've struck one of the sock's comments, while Liz has struck the other. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There was support for disambiguation and the draft is ready, however we need an opinion on J947's concern on how the 10,000 incoming links play out with the redirect's conversion to a disambiguation page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 10:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep R&B stands for Rhythm and Blues. KOLANO12 3 19:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep given the socking and the fact that I think landing on the "original" R&B page is a fine outcome for readers. We have hatnotes for both Contemporary R&B and the disambiguation page. I don't think creating a new small disambiguation is needed; the current one, Rhythm and blues (disambiguation), is not very large and is about half R&B entries. Added: if kept, the R&B (disambiguation) redirect created in response to the drafting of the new disambig page should be retargeted to Rhythm and blues (disambiguation). Skynxnex (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate as per Cremastra's changes on the page currently. I went through a couple of hundred of these, and while the preponderous of the links will go to Rhythm and blues, a significant number of them will need to be changed to Contemporary R&B. It will be a pain in the butt, but is probably the most accurate way to handle this.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Leo (kaiju)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26#Leo (kaiju)

New Square

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus

Finario

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26#Finario

Offensive content in YouTube

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 28#Offensive content in YouTube

Penthouse Suite

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Trade Fair Grounds

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Battle of Simara (1945)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Wang Qingyun

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26#Wang Qingyun

Dionian(ism)

• Dionian → Uranus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Dionism → Homosexuality  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Dionian is a translation of wikt:Dioning (heterosexual). It used to be mentioned in Uranian (sexuality), along with several terms coined by Karl. Apollonian and Dionysian could mention dionism, or Dionysus. If this means male homosexuality, then gay men? Or something similar to Achillean. See Terminology of homosexuality. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget "Dionian" to Uranian (sexuality), where it is still mentioned. Also per a Google Books search. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm a little less certain about "Dionism". "Dionysiac" is the common adjective for Dionysus, and the noun "Dionysism" is also used occasionally I believe, but I haven't heard "Dionism" used before with respect to the god, and the term seems too short to be capable of referring clearly to him. Among mythological figures, Dione's name would seem the closest to "Dionism". If a mention of "Dionism" at the page for the Nietzschean concept would be appropriate, then that would be a good target, but in the absence of such a mention, a page related to gay men would probably be the best target. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, it also reminds me of the word Odinism --MikutoH ^talk! 02:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Ecuador scuba diving

• Ecuador scuba diving → Scuba diving  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

no particular affinity with ecuador, from what i can gather. originally created as an ad cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• I would tentatively suggest that Scuba diving in Ecuador is a notable topic, but as it stands the best way for the reader to attain information on this topic is through search results; hence, delete. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Indeed, Diving in East Timor and Diving in the Maldives already exist, and Wikipedia tends to lack articles on General Topic 1 at the best of times, so I would suggest that Diving in Ecuador is indeed notable. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  then i guess return to red. even if that article is created, this redirect's history needs to burn cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm confused. This phrase should neither be ever linked to from mainspace or be the title of an article in the future – where does REDLINK come in? And there is never any value in deleting non-libellous page history. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Unless the page history is something like "scuba diving in Ecuador is the worst and anyone who does that sucks" or a copyvio there's no point to deleting User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment - Page history was a stub that was BLAR'd for "being an advertisement", but I honestly don't see it as an advertisement, just as somewhat poorly written, lacking in sources, and pretty vague. I agree there probably exists enough information in reliable sources somewhere to make Scuba diving in Ecuador a potential article... but we don't have it now. Some editors would reach for the WP:TNT, but I tend to like keeping old history even if it's not the greatest. Dunno what to do here though. Fieari (talk) 03:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  One could restore the article to the draftspace and delete the mainspace redirect, if so desired. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

regional screwdrivers

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete Irish, retarget Birmingham to Law of the instrument

Mian Page

• Mian Page → Main Page  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Vanishingly few page views per month(21) for a page that gets millions of views every week. There are a lot of people named "Mian Page", and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete Implausible. KOLANO12 3 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete No reason why this should even exist in the first place. ThatIPEditor ^{They / Them} 21:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

(comment: "and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this" I tested this now, it doesn't.)

Weak delete Unlike what some others are saying, I can relatively plausibly see someone accidentally transposing the I and A keys together. However, this is literally the first page you see when you open up Wikipedia we're talking about here, so people manually going to the Main Page is irrelevant here. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete as a person can just type the right words in themselves. BarntToust 14:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, plausible type, and SOME pageviews show that it is being hit at all. No reason to delete therefore unless a newer or better target was recommended. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I clicked Special:RandomRedirect 10 times and this redirect is more used than 8 out of the 10. It's a complete no brainer. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  I did not understand your test. How did you get the "8 out of the 10" statistic? Jay 💬 09:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  By comparing pageviews in 2024 for those 10 redirects. I did it again: this redirect is more used than 9 out of 10 (being used as much as equally as Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn). Clearly it is well used! J947 ‡ ^edits 00:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  I still don't get it. Which 10 redirects? Can you describe your test in detail? What has Special:RandomRedirect got to do with the redirect under discussion? Jay 💬 08:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  They're 10 random redirects (that result from clicking Special:RandomRedirect, 10 times), unrelated to the one under discussion. The point is to combat the dangerous assertion that the number of pageviews that this redirect receives is in any way minimal. J947 ‡ ^edits 10:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per J947. 21 page views per month is actually awfully good. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per pageviews (so per nom, I suppose). That the target receives a high number of views doesn't change anything. This also seems unambiguous as a search term. I don't know what someone searching this could be looking for other than the main page; I'm not seeing any people called "Mian Page" that we cover. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep – yeah, that's a lot of pageviews for a redirect of this type. Don't see a reason to delete this, it's clearly not implausible if people are using it this often. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 18:25, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. 21 is more than many articles. It's a [sic] pluasible typo. JayCubby 19:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Celete as WP:UNNATRUAL. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete It's both unnatural and implausible. Keivan.f^Talk 21:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, main point being as Someone-123-321 said: no one manually types in "Main Page", be it in the search bar or URLs, so objectively useless redirect. HKLionel (talk) 15:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  We've got a tool that can check that: WikiNav. Searching (through the search bar) accounts for only 1.12% of ways to get to the Main Page. But it's the Main Page: so that's 1.57 million views a month. In other words, as many people search "Main Page" each month as have visited Science fiction by any method in the last two years. Which is of course why this redirect has seen so much use. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oh, I seriously didn't expect that. I won't argue against statistical evidence. But still feels redundant to me. HKLionel (talk) 05:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete people looking for the Main Page will find it anyway - it's not hard. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Excluding this redirect, search results for Mian Page do not include "Main Page" in the first 20. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 16:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Dominic Raaab

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep the first and delete the others

Dicalsium Ruthenate: Ca2RuO4

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

December 17

Goth (Silverwing)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 25#Goth (Silverwing)

Sarcenet

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Arben Isaraj

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

incomplete-shaped jugemu redirects

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

sonic cd locations that aren't stardust speedway

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bryna

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Move to Bryna (butterfly) and then Disambiguate

Age is just a number

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Child genital mutilation

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to Genital modification and mutilation

2025 SAFF U-16 Women's Championship

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Gender delusion

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Chongqing No.1 Middle School

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26#Chongqing No.1 Middle School

Reality shows on Suvarna Channel

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

antiwhatever, helminth

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Wading bird(s)

• Wading bird → Wader (American)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Wading birds → Wader  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems to me that these should point to the same target, possibly a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 16:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Both should point to "Wader (American)", I don't really see any evidence that the term "wading bird" is regularly used for waders/shorebirds in any part of the world. TBH "Wader (American)" is a bizarre title that should probably be moved to "Wading bird". Somatochlora (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Target both to Wader: "Waders ... are birds ... commonly found wading ...". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Wader (American), the article there mentions the term "Wading bird" as a common term. There's a hatnote there already, it should help navigating to Wader. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 02:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• I came here from an article linking wading bird as a more general term. Depending on how this closes, someone might want to retarget those types of links. Its usage onwiki can be found here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think targeting this to wader makes the most sense as we have Category:Wading birds. A hatnote for Wader (American) should suffice for the few people who are looking for that specifically. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

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Trump nominations for independent agencies

• Trump nominations for independent agencies → Political appointments by Donald Trump#Other independent agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Appointees who have resigned from the Trump administration → Political appointments by Donald Trump  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These have significant pre-merge edit history for Political appointments of the first Trump administration, but this title does not differentiate between first or second term. Not sure whether to redirect it to 1st term article or to the disambiguation page. Should we move it to a title mentioning "first presidency" without leaving a redirect? —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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• 1. (Nominations) Create dab page to First term#Indy Intel Agencies, First term#Other Indy Agencies, Second term#Indy Intel Agencies, Second term#Other Indy Agencies.
  2. (Resigners) Retarget to List of Trump administration dismissals and resignations. When and if we have first and second term page, make it a dab, and include List of Donald Trump nominees who have withdrawn.

  All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
  

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polypifer

• Polypifer → Coral  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Poypifer → Coral  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

refers to organisms formed from polyps, including but not limited to coral. suggest retargeting there. no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Archaic term that I see used in older texts to refer to corals. However, what's more relevant for us is Richard Dawkins' book The Ancestor's Tale in which he notes that "coral" is ambiguous between the organisms themselves and the hard stuff their colonies leave behind. He ressurects the older term "polypifer" to refer to the organisms. Thus, it would seem that coral polyp is the optimal target. But that page redirects to the nom's proposed target, which discusses polyps generally, not just those of corals, I think. The problem is that Polyp (zoology) discusses polyps generally, unrestricted to corals while coral discusses much more about corals than the living polyps themselves. Sigh. Refining to Coral#Anatomy could be quite nice, and I think I prefer that target over the nom's proposal, which is my second choice. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and the second redirect is plausible enough. Should follow wherever Polypifer ends up going. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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I don't have the Dawkins' book on hand, but from your description it sounds like Dawkins' has simply misunderstood the meaning of the word. Properly it refers to the skeleton, although I think was used for the whole beast by synecdoche. I think coral is probably the best existing target-- I'm having trouble finding any usage that doesn't refer to corals, though I understand there could be ambiguity with other non-coral colonial cnidarians. As you mention it is quite out of use these days. I don't think polyp is the best redirect, because they aren't necessarily colonial. I don't think Coral#Anatomy is the best redirect because it doesn't cover the most common usage. alternative: you could make a disambiguation page that mirrors wikitionary entry. I don't know what poypifer is-- looks like a typo-- are there any examples of its usage? xarzin (talk) 06:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Dating style

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Camera make

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus

Wikiedia

• Wikiedia → Wikipedia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

admittedly on the weak side of noms, but could someone also be looking for wikimedia? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

(Keep) It's possible, but much more likely Wikipedia. Even if they aren't, they should see their error, so I don't think a hat note is necessary. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
13:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete since having it means the user won't see the error. Better to see a redlink. But then I'd feel that way about most bad typos, so why do we generally make redirects for such things? Dicklyon (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  We have redirects for if someone makes the mistake, they still get there. By your logic, every single typo redirect should be deleted. CheeseyHead (talk) 16:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  This redirect's usecase of the reader searching this misspelt term dwarfs that of the editor mistyping a link. J947 ‡ ^edits 01:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep It's just missing the "p", so the typo is plausible. CheeseyHead (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Ambigous and corrected by the Mediawiki search function Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment Doesn't correct it for me, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

  Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 09:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delte per aove. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Plausible typo. Fieari (talk) 23:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as highly used. On the off chance that the reader is indeed looking for Wikimedia, there are links in the first paragraph and infobox of the current target. J947 ‡ ^edits 01:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as yet another one of billions of possible typos, no more deserving a redirect than any other. This one is especially not deserving since, as pointed out, there are multiple possible resolutions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, page history shows a great deal of activity over the years (well, one a day, same as the vitamins, and some days, many vitamins). Randy Kryn (talk) 03:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per J947; ambiguous typo could mean multiple things; WP, WMF, "Wiki?edia" jargon used at WMF/MW to refer to project X that is a wiki -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 09:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Implausible typo. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• ? The typo is entirely plausible, as proven by the many hundreds of readers who come to the article via it per year. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Vague misspelling with multiple possible targets. Just no. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  Counterpoint to "multiple possible targets", Wikipedia receives 32,741 views a day, Wikimedia as a stand-alone word, 92. As a round figure, it is approximately 356 to 1 that 'Wikipedia' is the intended target for the single word 'Wikiedia'. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: ambiguous misspelling. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 01:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

And the universe said I love you because you are love

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Albidovulum xiamenensis

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Breena

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

December 16

LGBT in the Nordic countries

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Elmo knows where you live

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Scenic and Wild

• Scenic and Wild → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Wild and Scenic → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Wild and Scenic Rivers → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Wild and Scenic River → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Scenic and Wild Rivers → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Scenic and Wild River → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Wild and scenic river → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• National Scenic Waterway → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Without additional qualification, these terms seem a bit too broad and U.S.-centric to make good redirects to this specific topic. The ones lacking "river" in particular could refer to many different things. "National Scenic Waterways" is not a term described at target. Delete all. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

delete per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep all, as long as there is not a better target. These seem perfectly fine for getting readers to what they would be looking for. BD2412 T 14:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per BD2412. Weak delete National Scenic Waterway per nom. Jay 💬 07:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Wolfey

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Rodrigo Seiji

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Future The Voice American seasons

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Template:WikiProject AOW WildBunch

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Shitpyit (15°36′N 98°6′E)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Shitpyit (15°36'0"N 98°6'0"E)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Snou Strait

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 23#Snou Strait

الولايات المتحدة

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Howdunnit

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 26#Howdunnit

Canadaa

• Canadaa → Canada  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Typo with extra "a" added. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).

• Keep: this redirect is more used than many articles. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Canadas (disambiguation) which contains both "Canadas" and "Canada", and is the error form for both of these (the [S] key is next to the [A] key on QWERTY keyboard) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  If we are talking about plausible typos, then Canada would still be valid since accidentally mashing the "a" button twice is a fairly common mistake on some devices. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).

• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Has some use. Doesn't seem ambiguous with Canadas (disambiguation) to me; "a" and "s" are pressed by adjacent fingers on the same hand, so it seems unlikely to me that if your aim was to press one then the other that you would end up with two "a"s, unless both fingers are somehow placed over the "a" key. – Michael Aurel (talk) 06:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep - possibly phonetic for "Canada, eh?" The page saw 47 total views in the full year prior to the nomination, so it's not particularly well-used, but it's also harmless. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as an arbitrary typo, no more deserving of a redirect than any other typo; let Mediawiki suggest possible matches rather than trying to make billions of redirects ourselves. And as pointed out, this one is ambiguous with Canadas. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Keep maybe they were trying to spell Canadá, Canadà or another variation. Web-julio (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Then wouldn't it target Canada (disambiguation) ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per 13.139 above. Let the search function do its work. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per 35.139.154.158 - all of the above arguments feel like grasping at straws, not a seriously plausible term. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, agree with Pppery that the keep arguments feel like straw-grasping. -- asilvering (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  This redirect being used more than a significant proportion of articles, grasping at straws? If that's the case 90% of redirects should be deleted as little-used. I do certainly agree that this typo being equally plausible as one for Canadas is grasping at straws, given how the probability of a reader searching for Canada totally dwarfs that for Canadas. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong keep: unambiguous and harmless. Search results show plenty of usage of this typo "in the wild", with "Canada" consistently being the intended meaning [22], ranging from social media posts to websites. There is no reason to delete this, but the very healthy and consistent page view stats [23], WP:CHEAP, and the lack of any ambiguity point to keeping. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep It's not the unlikeliest misspelling and has consistent pageviews. I think deleting would do more harm than good, as clearly it is helping readers navigate to the right place. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Harmless, useful to someone (approx 50 hits a year is plenty to say this!), common and attested typo, WP:CHEAP applies, unambiguous target. I still do not understand the crusade a number of editors seem to have against typo redirects. It is written policy that common typos are to be kept… yes, unlikely typos are not good redirects, but then you get a wave of editors claiming literally every single typo is implausible despite evidence to the contrary. I just don’t get it. Fieari (talk) 23:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• keep, it's a plausib;e typo. (Yes, I actually made that in the course of writing this). JayCubby 17:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Breathing (noise reduction)

• Breathing (noise reduction) → Noise reduction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Pumping (noise reduction) → Noise reduction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete I searched around a little bit and I believe these redirects are referring to literally making pumps and breathing less loud. However, the current target is about a computer science concept, and I could not find a mention in related articles. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• There are plenty of incoming links, which are all about said computer science concept. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• I wasn't aware, thanks. I have struck my comment since I was misinformed. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: There's also Noise pumping, which would be identical in scope to the Pumping (noise reduction). --Paul_012 (talk) 14:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Pumping (audio) discusses pumping from dynamic range compression and could be improved to discuss pumping from noise reduction systems which typically feature some sort of dynamic range compression and thus are subject to pumping. ~Kvng (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Kvng: Your vote was keep, meaning you wanted both redirects to keep targeting Noise reduction even without the nomination concern of the target having no mention. But you also talked about improving Pumping (audio). How is it related to the redirect discussion? Jay 💬 08:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I suggested Pumping (audio) could be improved to discuss pumping for noise reduction systems and then I neglected to suggest that both Pumping (noise reduction) and Breathing (noise reduction) could then redirect there. An alternative is to improve Noise reduction to mention pumping. My suggestions for improvements are based on my professional expertise in this area. I'm not immediately able to find sources that could support these suggested improvements. This area is underdeveloped but that doesn't mean we should delete redirects to likely search topics, WP:DEMOLISH. ~Kvng (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Pale Garden

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27#Pale Garden

WGHC (defunct)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus

List of federal lands in Alaska

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 28#List of federal lands in Alaska

December 13

New Roman Empire

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Ghost town tornado

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 22#Ghost town tornado

Multivariant testing

• Multivariant testing → Software testing#A/B testing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Term not at target; term is mentioned at Software testing tactics and A/B testing, but could seemingly refer to any of the topics at Multivariate testing (disambiguation). Not sure what's best here. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to A/B testing. While the page doesn't contain the word "multivariant", this is clearly the concept being described, and I don't see why it would be preferable to link to a two-sentence summary of the article, rather than the article itself. While I think "multivariant" can be used as a synonym of "multivariate" sometimes in mathematical contexts, the latter is considerably more common I think (cf. [24]), and Hotelling's T-squared distribution, the current target of Multivariate testing, does not use such language. The user experience topic also appears to be the most prominent among search results for the phrase. – Michael Aurel (talk) 12:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Tradespace currently links to the redirect, which has had 6 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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Old Roman Empire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 24#Old Roman Empire

Castilleja chromosa

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn and articlefied

Redirects from other languages to United States

• Estados Unidos da América → United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 米国 → United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Соединенные Штаты Америки → United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Соединенные Штаты → United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Les États Unis d'Amérique → United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika → United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

1. Portuguese
2. Japanese
3. Russian
4. Russian
5. French
6. German

All of these were recently created and I tagged several others for speedy deletion based on previous discussions that resulted in deletion, but these did not have previous discussions. Delete as redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (point 8 of WP:R#DELETE)/per WP:RFOREIGN. I also CSD tagged several other recently created redirects that had been deleted as the result of previous discussions, but these ones had not been explicitly discussed previously. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

delete all per nom. not in the mood to do this again. what the hell is a portuguese cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete most of them per nom and WP:RLOTE. Also @Hey man im josh I think you included ভাৰত by accident, that redirect targets to India. However, I'm not sure about Estados Unidos da América which is the Portuguese translation. We do have Estados Unidos which was kept at RfD previously as the Spanish language has an affinity with the U.S., being the second most spoken language there. We also have Estados Unidos de América which is the Spanish translation. I'm leaning towards delete since Portuguese doesn't have much of an affinity with the U.S. but just wanted to note this.

Fathoms Below (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Urgh, yeah, I gotta take it slower sometimes. I'm removing that one to India, thanks for pointing this out @Fathoms Below. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

hmm... would i consider a single letter in a possessive article to be a significant enough difference that it changes a redirect from a language with strong affinity to one with no affinity beyond how much people want to bang jetstream sam? absolutely cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete all per nom but keep the Spanish redirect in all cases. America speaks Spanish, right? 67.209.128.30 (talk) 03:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I specifically avoided nominating any Spanish redirects, none of which were recent creations I believe, unlike the entries nominated, which were all recently created. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

no, no, let the misconception that brazil (whatever that is) speaks spanish be spread :3 cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep some there is AFFINITY for some non-English languages in the United States, meeting RFOREIGN Manifestations of culture with special significance in areas where that language is spoken. The U.S. has several non-English native dialects and languages. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep "Les États Unis d'Amérique" because Louisiana French is a real thing, and still used in the United States. The Louisiana Purchase transferred French-speaking territories from France to the United States. There are real ties to a dialect of French only used in the United States. Louisiana French is an U.S.-only dialect. There is some legal recognition of Louisiana French in Louisiana, with some areas even have French-language street signs unrelated to tourism, for the native population to use. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika" due to the existence of Pennsylvania German dialect in the United States, a U.S.-only dialect group -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

    Noting that an RfD for a different phrasing from German (United States, whereas this is specifically "United States of America" resulted in deletion. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 19#Vereinigte Staaten. I was tempted to G4 tag this, but being it wasn't the exact phrasing, I chose not to. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:08, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

    Those who attended that deletion discussion may have forgotten or not known the existence of Pennsylvania German as dialects that exists only in the United States. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Weak keep "Соединенные Штаты Америки"/"Соединенные Штаты" because the Seward Alaska Purchase bought Russian America from the Russian Empire becoming Alaska; which had several settlements of Russian-speakers at the time -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete "Estados Unidos da América" because there is no affinity for Portuguese -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete "米国" as there is no affinity for Japanese. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - No comment on most of these, but I think 米国 should point to somewhere that explains why Japan chose "rice country" as the kanji for America way back in the day. I think this is something English speakers may want to search for once learning of it. Now, Demonyms for the United States doesn't mention it (in favor of the katakana アメリカ), but it probably should, as American (word) DOES mention it, though it doesn't explain it yet (and that page should likely also mention that アメリカ人 is also used alongside 米国人). Fieari (talk) 23:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget 米国 to Names of the United States#Names in the Asian cultural sphere where discussed, per Fieari's reasoning. No opinion on the others right now, though it may be worth noting that the Portuguese, French, and German names are mentioned in Names of the United States#Names in the European cultural sphere. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 09:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirects. with periods following "the"

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete all except The.scene for which there was no consensus

Lumber Jerks (Ren & Stimpy Show)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Vettukathi

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 23#Vettukathi

Johnson (soccer)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 22#Johnson (soccer)

Calicrat

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

N00b

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 20#N00b

December 10

Gerecter

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Thrustship

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Thrustship

R&B

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#R&B

Criticism of Donald Trump

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Recent

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus Sorry, this is just all over the map. There's four proposed outcomes here, and no one outcome has commanded any clear agreement. And there's enough support for the status quo to no force a bartender's close. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Amateur home page

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Mian Page

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Mian Page

Haifan Baháʼí Faith

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Haifan Baháʼís

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

DEVS VVLT

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Ayurveda/Non-confirmed editor comments

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete

Goth (Silverwing)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Goth (Silverwing)

Nueva Hampshire

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Musha-gaeshi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Save battery

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

polypifer

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#polypifer

Ra'ad 1

• Ra'ad 1 → RAAD (anti-tank guided missile)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The more I research this redirect, the more confused I get. For starters, this redirect formerly targeted the article that is currently at Fajr-3 (artillery rocket), and did for the past six years. However, before that, this redirect targeted the article which it currently targets. However, to throw some more confusion into the mix, another similarly-titled article, Raad-1, exists. I may have figured out a better plan for what to do with this redirect by now if it were not for its incoming links; I am not clear what subject these links are meant to refer to. I'm thinking disambiguate is the way to go here, but I'm incredibly unclear what the base title should be for such a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment both RAAD (anti-tank guided missile) and Raad-1 say they mean Thunder and Thunder-1. ; while Fajr-3 (artillery rocket) seems to mean Aurora-3 or Dawn-3 ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at Raad-1.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 22:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Since this discussion isn't really getting any comments, I might as well throw my two cents in and say weak delete. Raad already exists as a disambiguation and there really isn't any suitable target for the exact title. Alternatively, retarget to Raad since that's the actual disambiguation. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Raad-1 as {{R from modification}}, which now has a hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete This seems to be an incorrect term for multiple things, and thus not really a good disambiguation and no reason to point to one over the others. Hopefully a redlink will tell the user that they have their term wrong and make them use the correct name for whatever it is they are looking for. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Ra'ad 2 redirects to Ra'ad-II, Pakistani missile derived off Hatf-VIII which itself redirects to Ra'ad (air-launched cruise missile). Hence the Hatf-VIII Ra'ad could retrospectively be called Ra'ad 1. Retarget to Ra'ad (air-launched cruise missile) and tag as incorrect name. Jay 💬 12:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try, since there's only really been one relist's worth of discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

regional screwdrivers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#regional screwdrivers

Ecuador scuba diving

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Ecuador scuba diving

UTF-2000

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Userfy

Sarcenet

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Sarcenet

Wikipedia:LTS

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Dionian(ism)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Dionian(ism)

More "solider" redirects

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 24#More "solider" redirects

List of saints (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Pekka Soini

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Cowboy Luttrell

• Cowboy Luttrell → National Wrestling Alliance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Cowboy" or "Luttrell" at the target article. Not a helpful redirect if we have no content on this supposed individual wrestler at the target article for the NWA. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

• Also known as Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget to Championship Wrestling from Florida where discussed in most detail. Probably notable, anyhow. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• In Coastal Championship Wrestling, the correct spelling Cowboy Luttrall is used to pipe to the wrong spelling Cowboy Luttrell. We can have a redirect at Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget per J947 and tag as {{R from incorrect name}}. Jay 💬 11:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete The fact that nobody bothered to create the correctly-spelled redirect until now is clear evidence that we don't need an incorrect spelling of it. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  Whether this is technically the wrong spelling or not (which would take some digging to ascertain) is irrelevant given that this appears to be the most frequently-used spelling or at least close to it (take the NYT for one). I would be surprised to find that most peri-notable people with scattered mentions across Wikipedia have redirects in their name anyway, so I don't understand your logic. Moreover, there are way more as-yet uncreated redirects that would be kept at RfD than currently existent redirects. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Jill Martin (herpetologist)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Spicier

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Wang Qingyun

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Wang Qingyun

December 9

Denetric Malope

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Turbo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Lisina

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Frank Mrvan

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

Hatnote

• Hatnote → Wikipedia:Hatnote  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hatnote – redirect to Wikipedia:Hatnote
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 20 § Hatnote – keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6 § Hatnote – no consensus
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 17 § Hatnote – no consensus

Delete, crossnamespace redirect from (article) to project page. It appears that the word "hatnote" was invented specifically for Wikipedia, there are no other stuff with that word and the internet underlined that word as a misspelling. Cyber the tiger (talk) 14:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete WP:XNR redirect into the pipeworking. Non-readership content. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per... well... nom. Indeed the word "hatnote" was invented specifically for Wikipedia and there are no other stuff with that word. Since I find it likely that new editors will wonder what the uses of them are, there isn't an encyclopedic target we have for this, and this redirect is unambiguous, I'm sure it's fine. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 16:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  A reader will never encounter the word hatnote normally, they will just see hatnotes, without knowing what Wikipedia calls the internally. Just as any part of the internals of Wikipedia are not usually known by the readership, nor need to be known by the readership. If they wantt to find out, then they will probably be part of the contributor editorship, which is not what redirects in articlespace are for. WP:HATNOTE already exists for us, the editorship. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough. However, I do feel pageviews should be taken into account here, given that it's averaging around 2 per day. Whether it's bored experienced editors, the readers/newbies being curious, or from the multiple pages it's linked to is beyond me, but the redirect is clearly seeing some use (would also like to note that this is linked in Hat (disambiguation), which has had 206 views in the past 30 days). I must also note that this XNR has been around since 2008. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 22:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, helpful, apparently unambiguous. —Kusma (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• This was RfDed 3 times before, most recently at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_17#Hatnote. I supported deletion in the last two of those, and nothing I've seen since has changed my position, so delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Listen to Wikipedia with hatnote is unironically the best solution here in my opinion. Listen to Wikipedia is not at all an obscure article, receiving 500 pageviews a month, so the reader looking for that with this search term is plausible. An injoke-y hatnote about hatnotes is more acceptable when, as previously identified, LtW is firmly inside the wikirealm. Second choice disambiguate. And bundle in Hat note and Hatnotes on the relist, please. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Suggested target no longer mentions it, as I've removed it as unsourced (not just unsourced, but none of the sources actually refer to it with this name). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. It's certainly not 100% unambiguous, but with that clarification it's near enough, so keep (with the current hatnotes to headnote and hat notation). J947 ‡ ^edits 00:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Soft redirect to wikt:hatnote. Reader-focused target most related to what previous discussions considered the primary use. This has been brought to discussion several times now and a salty soft-redirect may also be warranted as a cost-saving measure. Editors should know to use namespaces (like WP:, HELP:, etc.) for linking or searches. Second preference is retargeting to Listen to Wikipedia per above and previous talks. ― Synpath 02:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. No reason to delete 100% unambiguous XNRs. Mach61 00:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - My history will show I usually strongly dislike WP:XNRs, but this one really is completely unambiguously not associated with anything but us, and so our internal pages actually provide the same kind of information that someone would be looking for in mainspace in this case. So I think this is a valid exception to the general rule. Fieari (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Useful and unambiguous. I'm not seeing any strong reasons for deleting this redirect. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per mwwv, J947 and Fieari. Disagree that this Wikipedia term is non-readership content. Search for this term in article namespace and you will find several hits, mainly category Articles with hatnote templates targeting a nonexistent page, category Articles with redirect hatnotes impacted by RfD. Readers use the search functionality and could encounter meta terms such as these. Readers could stumble upon articles that are nominated for deletion, such as Droideka (disambiguation), where the rationale for WP:ONEOTHER mentions "hatnote", although fair to say it is the PRODder's (editor not reader) jargon which is exposed to the reader. Jay 💬 17:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Dating style

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Dating style

Camera (conventional)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Camera make

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Camera make

Wikiedia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Wikiedia

Main Pag

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Mackenziidae

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Procedural close

Wikiemdia

• Wikiemdia → Wikimedia Foundation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible typo Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• keep. two-letter swaps early on in a title (or in a short title) are generally considered plausible, unless that also makes them possible tyops of other things. it's why wikiepdia is plausible, but not list of characters in the kingdom hearts serise, for example cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  I didn't consider that when I made this redirect. Bornacheck (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Mediawiki search function does the work for us Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  The redirect for Wikiepdia originates from the article for Typosquatting. Since that exists on the wiki, and it could be typed out by a human by accident when putting Wikiepdia in their address bar, why not Wikiemdia? Bornacheck (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  If i put baked benas in MediaWiki search, it will correct me, but if i put /wiki/Baked_benas into MediaWiki, nope Bornacheck (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Again, not implausible. CheeseyHead (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Plausible tyop. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. There are billions of possible letter transpositions of article titles (trillions if you include other redirects). What makes this one so special? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Not plausible enough for keeping. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete this recently created misspelling per IP. Jay 💬 10:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: potentially helpful, and not harmful. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Cite AV media

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Longest Wikipedia Article

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Trump nominations for independent agencies

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Trump nominations for independent agencies

Template:Puffery inline

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Moseley tea service

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Syrian Republic (1946–1963) (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

There's vomit on his sweater already

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 20#There's vomit on his sweater already

I'm not ableist, I have autistic friends

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Trump the sequel

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 22#Trump the sequel

Primal Carnage: Evolution

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

YV (rapper)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#YV (rapper)

"james s Welch jr"

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted as r3

National parks and monuments

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy deleted by Pppery

Scenic and Wild

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 16#Scenic and Wild

Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C.

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 16#Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C.

List of federal lands in Alaska

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 16#List of federal lands in Alaska

December 7

2025 ACC Championship Game

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2025 Mountain West Conference Football Championship Game

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2025 Abu Dhabi T10

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

April 31

• April 31 → List of non-standard dates  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only reasoning for this appears to be "Java (specifically the java.util.Calendar class) allows dates such as February 0 (= January 31) and April 31 (= March 1)." The problem is that that particular class in Java seems to accept any integer for the date. I tested "April 366" which showed up as March 31 of the next year. The internet does say that there is a reference to "April 31" in the The Long Walk by Stephen King, but it is purposely supposed to be a fictional date, even within that universe. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

• The statement was added unsourced (and shouldn't it be "May 1"?). Even if factual, "April 31" is totally arbitrary: it could apply to anything, #September 31, March 32, your "April 366", etc. (fyi Bfinn) Hyphenation Expert (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  The same can be said about December 32, January 0, February 30, and many others. The redirect isn't to imply it's factual or not, it's to fulfill the gaps for the day 31 every month has in Wikipedia, such as June 31 and February 31. Web-julio (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  Each of those has unique encyclopedic information. Unlike September 31.

  And note, "filling in the gaps" is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 10:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  Except OTHERSTUFFEXISTS exists on Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions essay (note: not policy), and this is a discussion page (the D in AfD stands for deletion while the D from RfD means discussion).

  Filling the gaps is exactly why many redirects exist, and other stuff existing is the main reason why many redirects should be kept. And for example, different from AfD, WP:CHEAP, WP:USEFUL (see also WP:RFD#KEEP), and HARMLESS are valid arguments to use in RfD, and they are used frequently, including this current page. Web-julio (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  RfDs are deletion discussions, because this is where the deletion of redirects is discussed. That "deletion" is not in the title of the venue is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  is the existence of outcomes other than "keep" and "delete" (retarget, disambiguate, etc.) enough to disagree with that? rfd is a discussion venue, and deletion is one of the possible results cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  But there's Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages, which distinguishes AfD and RfD. This is a discussion that proposes a deletion, so technically is a deletion discussion, but not every RfD is a deletion discussion. Well, neither some AfDs, but why would someone AfD proposing to merge or rename if there are specific tools for that? The alternative is redirect in an AfD, but even there some see this as a form of deletion.

  Nonetheless, that essay still says that what doesn't apply in an AfD may or may not apply to other forms of discussions. Also Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments. Web-julio (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  Honestly, I'm not sure why it matters that WP:ATA is "Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions". The aim of the essay is to list off ways of "contributing" to a given discussion that may instead just hinder the discussion, such as WP:JUSTAVOTE, WP:ATA#CRYSTAL, or, indeed, WP:OTHERSTUFF. As the opener to the essay itself states, While this page is tailored to deletion discussion, be that of articles, templates, images, categories, stub types, or redirects, these arguments to avoid may also apply to other discussions, such as about deleting article content, moving pages, etc. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

It seems the current target page talk wasn't notified. Web-julio (talk) 01:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - the target mentions Excel, but doesn't get into the use of these nonstandard dates in formulas (it only mentions the weird 1900 problem). In Excel and programs like it, if you add one day to the last day of a month, it returns the first day of the following month. It doesn't recognize April 31 as a valid date if you write it in a cell directly, but April 30 + 1 = May 1. I'm not sure if that could fit into content in the article, or if it's more prominent than other uses that have been suggested here. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget. May 1 was the 2014 discussion outcome. But April 30 might be the likely sought-for page for users who simply forgot April's last date. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per my comment at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_14#September_31 * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 22:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - not mentioned at target, and I see no other relevant target. Jay 💬 17:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Unopposed to delete, consistent with September 31 outcome. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Nightb***h (film)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Nightb***h

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#Nightb***h

Female youtuber

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

BlueSky

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#BlueSky

List of canonizations

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

List of canonized saints

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Barotrauma and Wind turbines

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Fado (character)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

State of Palestine'

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

"Israel"

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

三州府

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus

Legends Drum and Bugle Corps

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 14#Legends Drum and Bugle Corps

Buxamina

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Entomb

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Greg peg

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Uncomfiness

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Hallelujah night

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 20#Hallelujah night

Wading bird(s)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Wading bird(s)

December 4

GABAAL

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

FitMC

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Karstarma ardea

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2025 Global T20 Canada

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Something Something for the Advancement of White People

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Unmentioned Doom II enemies

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

HammerHead (company)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 11#HammerHead (company)

Future season redirects not mentioned at targets

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dick Tantrum

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

2026 SA20

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 11#2026 SA20

2026 Bangladesh Premier League

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Damehar, Himachal Pradesh

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 11#Damehar, Himachal Pradesh

National Kabaddi Association

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

O'Doyle Rules

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The Scream (Greek TV miniseries)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Adimo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep

⚭/equaric unicodes

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

2024 AP Poll

• 2024 AP Poll → 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football rankings#AP Poll  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems ambigous but I'm not totally sure what would be a better target. Could refer to 2024–25 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings, 2024–25 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings. But college football is the only one that only uses 2024. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kingsmasher678 (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Or it could refer to the 2024 Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election. Delete as vague. Jay 💬 06:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

  I guess I would prefer a disambiguation rather than a deletion. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Polls are not rankings. The NCAA Division I rankings are a result of the AP polls, and other polls. Jay 💬 09:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Struck off the "vague" comment, since I see that we have an article with title AP poll (lowercase though). Jay 💬 07:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Question - Does the Associated Press ever run polls on politics or things other than sports that could also be confused? Genuinely asking, I don't know. Fieari (talk) 00:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Could definitely be ambiguous with college basketball polls released during 2024, even if both seasons stretch over the year line. Disambiguating seems reasonable. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 10:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
•  Disambiguation draft made. If nobody feels like drafting one, then delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• Done. I have also noticed 2023 AP Poll exists, which should follow the result of this nomination. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

The drafted page could be a WP:SIA under a title like 2024 NCAA Division I rankings, and 2024 AP poll could be an {{R from avoided double redirect}} to it. Jay 💬 07:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Athletic Field (Seattle)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Gamma-Aminobutanol

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bandahara

• Bandahara → Bendahara  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(Procedural nomination on behalf of Ariankntl Mdewman6 (talk) 03:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)). I propose that the redirect Bandahara be deleted or replaced, as the current redirect to Bendahara is inappropriate. "Bandahara" refers to a specific geographical feature, Mount Bandahara in Indonesia, while the title of Bendahara in the context of traditional Malay government is generally no longer used in modern government structures. The two are entirely unrelated, and this redirect may confuse readers seeking information about the mountain.

I suggest deleting the redirect and allowing Bandahara to become an independent article about the mountain. Thank you for your attention. Ariankntl (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Probably oppose, alternative suggestion - does this re-direct fall under the Reasons for not deleting 2,3 and 6? Would the better alternative not be a disambiguation page? - Master Of Ninja (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Redirecting "Bandahara" to "Bendahara" is inappropriate because the term "Bandahara" is more relevant when associated with Mount Bandahara. A better solution would be to direct "Bandahara" to an article about the mountain. This ensures that the information provided is more accurate and meets the user's search expectations. Ariankntl (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  How do you prove that it is more relevant? I think in the grand scale of things very few people will go and look for either article. I generally would not care about this topic, but someone posted it on my talk page. I note that I created "Bandahara" in 2014, and the "Mount Bandahara" article was created this month - I think this probably points to how important these articles looking at the greater picture - I don't think the generic user is looking for either of these. I think my points under reasons for deleting still stand. However, a disambiguation page might be better for the user to point to the correct article. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to the mountain and hatnote Bendahara from there. Jay 💬 14:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Mount Bandahara with hatnote per above. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank Goodness

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 11#Thank Goodness

X.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Child suicide bomber

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

November 27

Clarissa: Or the History of A Young

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

The History of a Young Girl

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

National Kabaddi Association

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#National Kabaddi Association

Personal weapon

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Mex-Mex

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Oberon in fiction

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Sunny country

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September 2017 bridge incident

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

⚭/equaric unicodes

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#⚭/equaric unicodes

Cilla Single

• Cilla Single → Benjamin Franklin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Can't find where Ben Frank ever used this as a pseudonym. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).

• Unsure at the moment. A Google search for this term doesn't bring up anything showing how it's related Benjamin Franklin (neither does one for both this term and "Benjamin Franklin"), and mostly talks about stuff relating to Cilla Black or Cilla The Musical. I'm not sure of the connection either, but Rich Farmbrough, who created this redirect, might know. Regards, SONIC678 01:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I can't find a shred of evidence that this name has any association to the target whatsoever. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep I've added a reference to the redirect. Ben Franklin had a lot of pen names, as did Daniel Defoe. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 19:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
  

  Which I've reverted, since you removed the RFD tag, and it should be either here or on the talk page of the redirect, or both. I did check it, and there's no mention on the page you gave, but there is a few pages later. It's a single bare listing, with no context or corroboration. Given that no one else has been able to able to verify this, I'm dubious of the reliability of the source, and if nothing else, the usefulness. Furthermore, given how many other entries from this book you've created, it would seem to be a mass creation in violation of your current editing restrictions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  No, this is not a mass creation contrary to Rich's editing restrictions. @35.139.154.158: your repeated references to Rich's restrictions where they definitely don't apply is bordering on harassment at this point. Knock it off.

  Rich, adding references to redirects is odd, readers typically don't see the content of redirects. Is there a way to add this information to the article instead? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Eh, fine. My points about the redirect itself though still stand. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  The reference is not for readers, it's for RfD regulars. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
  

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment surprisingly (to me) this seems to be attested despite very limited online hits: Franklin, Benjamin; Smyth, Albert H. (1905). The writings of Benjamin Franklin. New York, London: Macmillan Co.; Macmillan & Co. OCLC 1158474884. Retrieved 2024-11-28. (on page 186). I'm very unsure how someone would end up searching for this term without knowing it was a pseudonym of Franklin's however.
• This may be added to the target at the "Success as an author" section where it says He frequently wrote under pseudonyms. If we have 3 or 4 names, Cilla Single can be mentioned alongwith them. Jay 💬 06:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete unless someone takes the initiative to add a mention themselves. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
• Looks like Cilla Single is a misspelling for Celia Single to me. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Benjamin Franklin (swim coach)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2024 AP Poll

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#2024 AP Poll

Unmentioned Pikmin 2 caves

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget castle and Delete the other two

DuPage 3

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 28#DuPage 3

Thank Goodness

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#Thank Goodness

Athletic Field (Seattle)

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November 17

List of Neverwinter Nights characters

• List of Neverwinter Nights characters → Neverwinter Nights  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters

There is no such "list of characters" at the target article. The only character that is EVER mentioned at the target, is the unnamed "player character", and one mention of a "King of Shadows" in passing. Was created as a result of the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters AfD. Nevertheless, this is not a helpful redirect in its current form. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and restore the content underneath (deleted edits from prior to 2016) so that a proper character list can be created at the target article. 2016 is the bad old days when non-notable stuff was deleted before redirection, even though ATD policy was still the same, we didn't always do it right. Also, naming convention is pretty standard--if you're cleaning up problematic/confusing redirects, this ain't one of them. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Agreeing with Clemens somewhat. While the list itself is very unlikely to ever be revived, it serves as a record and and helps link to the AfD discussion that took place, which also has a list of potential sources.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• I'll reproduce here what I wrote on my talk page: The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters was to delete and redirect, not only to redirect. Undeleting the deleted content would be contrary to the AfD outcome. It would need overturning the AfD closure, which would need to be done at DRV, not here. What's more, I can't even find deleted content to undelete. The deletion log indicates some sort of technical issue in 2016. Sandstein 07:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep I think this should be kept: a) For historical reasons. b) It's just the next best thing we have. There are hits, an people are redirected there, showing what little we have and that we don't have a separate article. c) That's where new content would be added. And there is such content! I can't say if there's enough to establish notability and could change the outcome in a deletion review, but there's more than during the time of the deletion discussion. Examples would be his Kotaku article or this book, p. 20-21. I'd like to add such commentary, but I have too much on my plate already. Daranios (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and restore the content under the redirect, as per Jclemens; the contents of the old list are now at User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters so they can be moved back to article space. A short list can be merged into the main article until it can be spun back out again. BOZ (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's not clear to me how this got to my userspace. 2016 was after I'd was no longer an admin. Did I request restoration in the past and then forgot about it, or did someone just do this? Jclemens (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  You may have asked me to do that as I was still an admin at that time. BOZ (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as an old redirect with history, and I honestly believe said history should be restored if possible, even if only to the history of this redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This redirect is not old (2016 from a recent-ish AfD), and does not contain any valuable history. This RfD turnout is quite surprising all within a few minutes tbh. There is still NO characters at the target article, so the redirect is still misleading and this has not been remedied. All the history is in userspace which can be reinstated when it is ready. Does not need a misleading "list" redirect in the meantime. Sources can be copied to the Neverwinter Nights talk page, or grabbed from the AfD directly. We don't do redirects for the "next best thing we have", when we actually have nothing. The only thing that needed to be true for this redirect was to have "characters listed", and Neverwinter Nights does not even manage this in its current state. Articles don't need to exist as a redirect just to indicate where content "should" be added. In fact the opposite is true per WP:REDYES. There is no such content on Wikipedia for this topic at this moment. The only possibility would be to delete List of Neverwinter Nights characters (the replacement created by Sandstein), and move in the material from User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters to the same title, if consensus indicates material should be held here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  8 years is not old? I understand it's not from the 200x's, but 8 years is still a pretty long time... Fieari (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom., there is no list. The redirect is somewhat misleading and not helpful. Neverwinter Nights is the obvious search term, and if someone did, for some reason, search on this full name they would be better served with this list of results [25] rather than being jumped to a page that has no list. A case of a redirect actually making things worse. Old content is userfied and can be developed, so that consideration is moot. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

delete, if without prejudice to recreating if usable sources are found. list not present. i think misleading readers would do more harm than losing track of an afd thread in a mainspace page's edit history. even then, deletion would most likely link people attempting to recreate it to this discussion, which in turn links to that discussion, so... cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Since when do redirects need sources? Jclemens (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I presume it refers to sources at the target article, to substantiate a mention of multiple characters and allow readers to receive sourced content, when it is specified in the search bar (via this redirect) that the reader SPECIFICALLY wants a "list of characters", one that we don't have anywhere in mainspace, nor any sources for. Redirects do need to be "reliably sourceable", because all material in mainspace must be verifiable, and redirects are material, and redirects are in mainspace. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

We should indeed have a list of characters at the target, but the content is already available even if not in that page currently. No, redirects don't need to be reliably sourced, per WP:RPURPOSE. Jclemens (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:RPURPOSE is a guideline; WP:V is policy. Redirects too must be verifiable. Alternate spellings can be verified by WP:COMMONSENSE. What reason-for-maintaining bullet point does this redirect (a redirect indicating a "list of characters") meet on WP:RPURPOSE? Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, since COMMONSENSE can satisfy V, then, V's not really an issue, is it? Jclemens (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

This is a patently wrong misreading of that policy. It is claims that must be verifiable. Redirects are not claims. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

i said i'd have no prejudice against recreation if sources could be found cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 10:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't explain why deleting a redirect to a notable work of fiction would be influenced in any way by sourcing--presumably, non-primary sourcing--for a set of elements that meet WP:CSC clause 2. Jclemens (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

There are secondary sources out there which would allow to include some commentary on characters as a group and individually into the target, but which have not yet been employed. Like [26] or [27]. Or, from a very different angle, an analytical comment on player characters on Dungeons, Dragons, and Digital Denizens, p. 20-21. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I have now included a rudimentary listing of characters in the Reception section, with potential for expansion based on said secondary sources, which I hope solves the gravest misgivings of Utopes and cogsan. Based on this I'd argue for the inclusion of the old, userfied page into the history of the redirect, as it could be used as a basis to search for more secondary sources, if someone should desire to do so. Daranios (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte ^👸♥ 20:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

i don't think some examples in the reception section would count as enough to warrant a list redirect, so i guess my vote stays for the moment, with equally little prejudice against recreation cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cogsan: So what in your view is still lacking for such a redirect to be justified? Number of characters? Description/commentary? Presentation in bulletpoint form or some such? Daranios (talk) 14:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

what i think is missing is a list. "list of knives" probably shouldn't link to an article that only mentions santoku and bread knives, as an example. also as an example, characters of deltarune and that other game doesn't mention every character (where's lemon bread?), but it does have a good handful

so yeah, "number of characters" is the closest to my answer among the options provided, and if reliable sources only seem to cover three of them in any level of detail, i'd say press the big ol' return to red button cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cogsan: Thanks. WP:RETURNTORED starts with "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article". It might, but though it pains me to say, the last AfD dedided that it did not have the potential to be expandied into its own article then. So do you still not like the redirect even though to my knowledge there is no other article which would cover even the four/five characters we have at the target now? Or to look at it from the other direction, what would be the number for characters you would see as the minimum for an embedded list to not want to delete our redirect? Daranios (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

What exactly is the problem here? Red link or redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD by finding sources that allow a new list article to be written, then you can just do that! Retaining this redirect doesn't help. The redirect does not have the old article history, so that argument for keeping it is moot. The old article history is available and userfied, so you have that. You are arguing like this is AfD but the only consideration is whether this is a useful redirect. On that score, it clearly isn't. There are at least nine articles that show up in search if you look for Neverwinter Nights [28]. Now if someone is looking for a list of Neverwinter nights characters, the redirect chooses to send them to one of these pages and ignore the others. The reader is taken to a page that does not list the characters, and does not meet their information requirement. If anyone were actually interested in all of the characters, they are better off seeing all nine articles listed, which will give them a fuller picture, rather than being taken to a page that does not answer their information requirement but pretends to. I just do not see what the benefit is of retaining a redirect that has no history and no utility. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

wouldn't the fact that it was deemed that there weren't enough sources for an article then, and that that's still the case now, be more reason to delete?

i have some level of hope that it might be possible to create that list someday, i just know that that's not today cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I am not sure if I could disprove the AfD in the form of establishing this as a notable topic, and I don't currently have the time (or rather priority based on many other open to-do ideas) to make sure one way or another. And that is not the issue. (I'd be for restoring the userfied history as I said. But the history I was originally referring to was the link to the deletion discussion in the talk page.) I am pretty sure that I could create an embedded list, and for that it would be useful to know opinions how (big) such a list should look to make sense. Just as one project utilizing secondary sources on this topic which have not been (fully) used yet. On the other hand, the AfD did establish this redirect, so redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD does not make sense to me. Rather, deleting the redirect would mean overturning the AfD result. But I guess that's within the prerogative of RfD. Looking at the other hits again I am no longer completely sure if it is best to guide the reader to Neverwinter Nights at this point. We do have five characters there currently, and overall commentary, and it fits better to the redirect title. But other hits do have several characters embedded, too. So withdrawing my keep !vote for the time being, but I am still interested in cogsan's answer to my question above. Daranios (talk) 19:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

this is on a case-by-case basis, so the best way to put it is

• general franchises: at least most of the major cast being notable, with some wiggle room for a handful of more important/popular yet not very notable ones
• general franchises that are really long: if they're not known for more than one character, just go for articles for the few notable ones. otherwise, same criteria seem to apply
• novels and other such character-heavy franchises (which nn seems to be): there's usually no plan b for if not enough of them are notable for a list, so to quote a wise scorpion, "lol. lmao."
• pokémon: the best way to describe the situation with pokémon and its (human) characters, and how rules related to notability are treated in its context, is doing multiple backflips in a row to distract people from the question while professor elm keeps his entry

it's a complicated case, but it seems neverwinter nights just plain doesn't have enough notable characters in the first place, "major" or not

and granted, this is for if such a list exists in the first place, and since the answer to that in this case is "not anymore lol", it's really just a matter of deleting and hoping the case changes sometime before the sun goes boom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, pinging Mark viking, who had suggested the redirect back at the AfD. Daranios (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete RfD does not have any authority over article content. We had an AfD, which does have that authority, and declared this should be banished. Now it's time for it to meet its fate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

It was the AfD which made this a redirect in the first place. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - it appears no one wants to close this as it can't be relisted, and has 4 keeps and 4 deletes. I !voted so can't close it, but I would point out that the keep !votes were all obtained in the first 24 hours or so of listing, and that all delete !votes (other than the nom.) followed later. Also that a fifth keep was struck after engagement in the discussion. Discussions are not a vote, and a straight vote count may be giving an erroneous impression of this one. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm surprised this is still going on a month later. I still feel we would be best served to have the content moved back and kept, but if consensus is going to go to delete, then the old content is still WP:PRESERVED in the user page that I originally noted above. BOZ (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - there is no list at the target, or anywhere else. Thanks to Daranios for the additions; the 3 characters do not make the list though. Jclemens may move his userfied page to Neverwinter Nights characters, and turn that to a redirect for future revival. Jay 💬 18:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete – this redirect falsely implies the existence of a list, so it annoys readers. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. There are a few characters listed in prose format, which is good enough for me. Thanks to Daranios for putting in the effort to try to save this redirect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Solidarity, Ecology, Left Alternative

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Greater Luxembourg

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Disambiguate Greater Luxembourg, No Consensus on the others

Handwriting expert

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to questioned document examination

Dana Fuller

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Heathe N. Craig Joint Theater Hospital

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus

Ra'ad 1

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#Ra'ad 1

Username policy

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Gamma Squeeze

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Stars War

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Radio-Canada

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Cite web

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Göbenä

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Bighead octopus,

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

True positive

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Ap (ghost)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Ap (ghost)

Atlantoöccipital articulations

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Hebed

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Tucker Turner

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Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam

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Ted, Ned and Ed

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Ultrajectine

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Joseph Stalin's death conspiracy Theories

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Cite AV media

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Goolge book

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Googlw

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GGKEY

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