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[edit]- Matt Hoffland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Musician that does not meet the requirements of WP:GNG. He's released four albums but the first two were independent releases (the other two are on obscure labels). A Google search finds social media presence but no sign of significant coverage. Pichpich (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: As the nom said, I can only locate social media for this person. No media reviews or stories about this person. Not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Robert W. Faid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Reliable sources mentioning Faid only mention him for a single thing: his theory that Mikhail Gorbachev is the Antichrist, for which he received the satirical Ig Nobel Prize. Here are three such sources; note that the third has merely a passing mention:
- Levine, Art (June 4, 1988). "THE DEVIL IN GORBACHEV". Washington Post. Archived from the original on September 5, 2022. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Abrahams, Marc (May 10, 2004). "Devilish digits". The Guardian. Archived from the original on August 8, 2022. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
- Whisker, Daniel (July 2012). "Apocalyptic Rhetoric on the American Religious Right: Quasi-Charisma and Anti-Charisma". Max Weber Studies. 12 (2): 159–184 – via JSTOR.
The periodic modification of the specific signs of prophetic fulfilment is a key feature of the discourse: no-one now presents Mikhail Gorbachev as a potential Antichrist, as did Robert Faid in 1988 (Faid 1988), or the Native Americans as Antichrist's army, as did Cotton Mather in 1693 (Boyer 1992).
In its current state, the article contains information far beyond this single thing. This information is either completely unsourced or copied verbatim, in what I assume is a copyright violation, from Faid's obituary on Legacy.com, an unreliable source which hosts user-generated content and nonsensically claims that Faid "held the honor of being in the top ten nuclear scientists until 1975".
In my opinion, this single thing for which Faid is known is not enough to make him notable. Instead, this information, along with the three sources above, would be better suited as a part of a different article, perhaps List of conspiracy theories § Antichrist or Faid's entry at List of Ig Nobel Prize winners § 1993. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk – edits) 22:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect or merge to List of Ig Nobel Prize winners § 1993. Also add more info in the target page about his Antichrist theories, the one thing reliable sources confirm about him.
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- Comment The entire Biography section was all but a direct copy from his 2008 Baltimore Sun obituary - and has been since April 2009. I've removed the copyvio text and RD1'd the article history. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- St. Alcuin House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This unaccredited seminary has an inactive website and does not pass WP:GNG or WP:NORG. All the (scant) sources in the article are to its own webpages or to affiliated sites. A BEFORE search turns up no evidence of notability. (It appears to have claimed accreditation at different through a diploma mill network and another school that claims accreditation but is also a diploma mill, but neither of these is evidence of notability, and indeed argues against notability as an educational institution.) Regardless, I found zero independent coverage of this organization. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per above. Can't find any (let alone reliable) non-trivial secondary coverage beyond this blog post and this forum discussion, which isn't helpful. This seems to be a safe delete. Jordano53 20:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to WP:NORG. Seems to have been a marginal, unaccredited seminary. I was briefly concerned we were talking about the Alcuin Club! ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Does not meet WP:NORG, appears to have been operated out of a townhouse according to the defunct organization's Facebook page. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 02:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:NORG. I note that the editor who created this article[1] also created a separate article about a (supposedly) affiliated university, which I have also nominated for deletion for similar reasons. I also note that this editor has been inactive for over a decade now. Muzilon (talk) 03:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lack of notability. Seems like a totally unremarkable primary school, and schools are not inherently notable. TheLongTone (talk) 15:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Are private Catholic whole-day English primary schools normal in Hong Kong? If not then I would say is relatively notable? Bit-Pasta (talk) 17:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Bit-Pasta (talk) 17:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that English local primary schools, that also teach French and Japanese are exceptionally rare in Hong Kong. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 04:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Are private Catholic whole-day English primary schools normal in Hong Kong? If not then I would say is relatively notable? Bit-Pasta (talk) 17:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
Redirect to Sham Shui Po#Education: as it was before. Does not appear to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:NORG, plus primary schools are usually not notable. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)- We don't differentiate between primary and secondary schools anymore. But this is a private school, so it needs to meet NORG. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Changed my vote. Thanks to Cunard for finding sources. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing the sources and reconsidering your position! Cunard (talk) 06:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
- https://www.examiner.org.hk/2020/02/21/the-last-chinese-style-architecture-st-francis-of-assisi-church-and-school-in-shek-kip-mei/news/hongkong/ This article talks about how the school is one of the last remaining built in the architectural style of Chinese renaissance in the 1950s, I think this deserves recognition and I apologise for not including this in the article Ilovefood123123 (talk) 04:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is the only non primary source in the article, so even were we to accept it, we are not at a keep yet. But it is interesting because it does cover the school but it spends more time on the church, and it treats the church and school as a complex. Although I am not seeing notability for the school as a school, that would be an excellent source under NGEO for the complex of church plus school, and an article that focuses on the architecture. Similarly it is also treated in Building Catholic Churches in Hong Kong. I cannot find an article on the church and school, but that would appear to be the encyclopaedic subject here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Besides from this, I have mentioned previously that this is a local English-teaching primary school, that also teaches French and Japanese on the side. This is likely to be the only primary school that operate in this mode in Hong Kong and somehow in my opinion gives the school notability. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with whether or not this school meets notability standards? Notability =/= importance. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't Wikipedia exists to share notable info, not only about the latest Pokemon movie or the shoe size of the hottest actress of the year but also the information about small places that otherwise people would never know about? If is like other similar old schools I've encountered then they might participate in many local, regional and national activities but without doing much promotion about it, just teaching individuals who later become notable. Yeah, this is all speculation but wanted to invite you, to think about how sometimes is much more worthwhile to share info about something, or someone, that doesn't care to be known and rather is dedicated to their own craft. Bit-Pasta (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The words in blue are links. Writing an encyclopedia article isn't like writing an essay. When one writes an encyclopedia article, all they are doing is reporting on what others have written in reliable sources independent of the subject. The standards for notability are based on the availability of such sources, a somewhat objective standard; rather than the subjective standard of what people think is important. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't Wikipedia exists to share notable info, not only about the latest Pokemon movie or the shoe size of the hottest actress of the year but also the information about small places that otherwise people would never know about? If is like other similar old schools I've encountered then they might participate in many local, regional and national activities but without doing much promotion about it, just teaching individuals who later become notable. Yeah, this is all speculation but wanted to invite you, to think about how sometimes is much more worthwhile to share info about something, or someone, that doesn't care to be known and rather is dedicated to their own craft. Bit-Pasta (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with whether or not this school meets notability standards? Notability =/= importance. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The book and article were both written by Ayako Fukushima, so we currently have a single source for notability. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just curious: how did you determine that? 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article has the author at the bottom, and Google Books always lists the book author. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought by article you meant the Wikipedia article at hand. But I'm only seeing the one independent source, the article by the author mentioned. At this point, my !vote would be a Weak keep, based on the level of detail found in that article. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have to consciously distinguish "Wikipedia article" and "source article" when commenting in discussions. A single source isn't enough to pass WP:NORG though. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Would you somehow be more inclined to keep an article on the architectural building itself instead of the school, seeing that there are more sources based on that. Something that @Sirfurboy has brought up on. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 01:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Here’s a paper written by the same person from the previous source on the topic. https://catalog.lib.kyushu-u.ac.jp/opac_download_md/7172136/85_453.pdf Ilovefood123123 (talk) 02:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these sources, but sources by multiple authors are usually needed to pass WP:NORG. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- If the article is kept based on the provided sources, I would consider a move to "St. Francis of Assisi Church and School". Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Here’s a paper written by the same person from the previous source on the topic. https://catalog.lib.kyushu-u.ac.jp/opac_download_md/7172136/85_453.pdf Ilovefood123123 (talk) 02:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Would you somehow be more inclined to keep an article on the architectural building itself instead of the school, seeing that there are more sources based on that. Something that @Sirfurboy has brought up on. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 01:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have to consciously distinguish "Wikipedia article" and "source article" when commenting in discussions. A single source isn't enough to pass WP:NORG though. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought by article you meant the Wikipedia article at hand. But I'm only seeing the one independent source, the article by the author mentioned. At this point, my !vote would be a Weak keep, based on the level of detail found in that article. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article has the author at the bottom, and Google Books always lists the book author. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just curious: how did you determine that? 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Besides from this, I have mentioned previously that this is a local English-teaching primary school, that also teaches French and Japanese on the side. This is likely to be the only primary school that operate in this mode in Hong Kong and somehow in my opinion gives the school notability. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is the only non primary source in the article, so even were we to accept it, we are not at a keep yet. But it is interesting because it does cover the school but it spends more time on the church, and it treats the church and school as a complex. Although I am not seeing notability for the school as a school, that would be an excellent source under NGEO for the complex of church plus school, and an article that focuses on the architecture. Similarly it is also treated in Building Catholic Churches in Hong Kong. I cannot find an article on the church and school, but that would appear to be the encyclopaedic subject here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
SourcesAll universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
- Lee, Sau-shan 李綉珊 (2024-12-16). 航拍-AI製作70周年校慶片媲美電影? "最強校慶片|聖方濟各英文小學出動200師生共舞 航拍+AI製作70周年校慶片媲美電影" [Ultimate School Anniversary Video|St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School Brings Together 200 Teachers and Students for a Dance Performance, Aerial Footage and AI-Generated 70th Anniversary Video Rivals a Movie]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from 航拍-AI製作70周年校慶片媲美電影? the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "聖方濟各英文小學(St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School) 是位於深水埗區的一間私立全日小學,學費為$54,900(分十期繳交),學校面積約2,000平方米,屬於男女校。聖方濟各英文小學創立於1955年,學校的宗教背景是天主教,辦學團體為天主教香港教區。課外活動以多元化為重點,包括資優教育抽離式課程、合唱團、男女童軍、美勞和手工藝班及各項運動興趣小組等等。聖方濟各英文小學名人明星校友,包括楊受成弟弟楊海成、香港電影監製、財務總監李恩霖、香港資深傳媒人陳志雲、香港作曲及填詞人于逸堯@人山人海、香港填詞人陳詠謙、香港男藝人崔建邦、王宗堯等。"
From Google Translate: "St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School is a private full-day primary school located in Sham Shui Po District. The tuition fee is $54,900 (paid in ten installments). The school area is about 2,000 square meters. It is a boys' and girls' school. St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School was founded in 1955. The religious background of the school is Catholic, and the school running body is the Catholic Diocese of Hong Kong. Extracurricular activities focus on diversity, including gifted education pull-out courses, choirs, boy and girl scouts, art and craft classes, various sports interest groups, etc. Celebrity star alumni of St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School include Yang Shoucheng's brother Yang Haicheng, Hong Kong film producer and financial director Li Enlin, Hong Kong senior media person Chen Zhiyun, Hong Kong composer and lyricist Yu Yiyao@人山人海, Hong Kong lyricist Chen Yongqian, Hong Kong male artist Cui Kin-bang, Wang Zongyao et al."
- Joanne (2016-07-21). "校園速報" [Campus News]. Oriental Sunday (in Chinese). p. K18.
The article notes: "深水埗區的私立小學—聖方濟各英文小學,歷年升中派位理想,大多數學生都獲派英中,當中逾半考入Band 1中學,包括九龍華仁書院及長沙灣天主英文教中學等名校。學校一直著重學生的中英文能力,每級英文教深一年,數學則教深半年,中文則以國語授課,小三開始有外語堂,提供日文及法文等第三語言課堂,學習模式偏向傳統,紀律亦較嚴謹,較適合一些自學自律能力高的小朋友。有興建報讀的家長,就要密切留意報名詳情。"
From Google Translate: "St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School, a private primary school in Sham Shui Po district, has been ideal in allocating places to secondary schools over the years. Most students have been allocated to English-medium secondary schools, and more than half of them have been admitted to Band 1 secondary schools, including Kowloon Wah Yan College and Cheung Sha Wan Catholic English School. Middle schools and other prestigious schools. The school has always focused on students' Chinese and English proficiency. Each level is taught in English for one year, and in mathematics for half a year. Chinese is taught in Mandarin. Starting from the third grade, there is a foreign language class, which provides third language classes such as Japanese and French. The learning model is more traditional. The discipline is also more rigorous and is more suitable for children with high self-learning and self-discipline abilities. Parents who are interested in enrolling in the school should pay close attention to the registration details."
- "聖方濟各英文小學" [St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School]. Kung Kao Po (in Chinese). 2016-06-01. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "聖方濟各英文小學推行資優教育十八年,為資優生提供更合他們的課程,並在課外得到更多發展機會。位於石硤尾的聖方濟各英文小學每年安排約二百多名學生接受額外的資優教育培訓,負責資優教育的教師劉秀明早前對本報說,學校為學習能力相對高的學生提供資優培育,並舉辦相關學習活動。"
From Google Translate: "St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School has been implementing gifted education for 18 years, providing gifted students with courses that are more suitable for them and providing them with more development opportunities outside of class. St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School in Shek Kip Mei arranges for more than 200 students to receive additional gifted education training every year. Liu Xiuming, a teacher in charge of gifted education, told this newspaper earlier that the school provides students with relatively high learning abilities. Provide gifted education and organise relevant learning activities."
- Cheng, Mei 曾媚; Leung, Wing-lok 梁永樂 (2006-10-11). "私小兩成資優生全方位栽培 港欠訓練系統恐中學現斷層" [Private Schools' Gifted Students Receive Comprehensive Training, but Hong Kong Lacks a Training System, Fearing a Gap in Secondary Education]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). p. A14.
The article notes: "著名私立小學聖方濟各英文小學全校有900名學生,當中逾200人被辨識為資優生,資優比率多達逾兩成,校方動用全校資源,開設資優課程。 ... 聖方濟各英文小學是本港最早推行資優教育的小學之一,已有12年經驗。校長梁偉才說,該校家長可自行讓子女接受專業的智商測驗(IQtest),若測驗顯示學生智商高於130分,他們就自動進入資優「人才庫」。現時「人才庫」有200人,當中約100人憑高智商「入庫」,另外60多人由教師觀察推薦,其餘約30人是學業成績最佳的10%學生。"
From Google Translate: "St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School, a well-known private elementary school, has 900 students. More than 200 of them are identified as gifted students, with the gifted rate reaching more than 20%. The school uses the entire school's resources to provide gifted courses. ... St. Francis English Primary School is one of the earliest primary schools in Hong Kong to implement gifted education, with 12 years of experience. Principal Liang Weicai said that parents of the school can have their children take a professional IQ test on their own. If the test shows that the student's IQ is higher than 130 points, they will automatically enter the gifted "talent pool." There are currently 200 people in the "talent pool", of which about 100 are "entered" with high IQ, more than 60 are recommended by teachers through observation, and the remaining 30 are among the top 10% of students with the best academic performance."
- Chau, Tsz-yuen 丘梓媛 (2005-10-03). "聖方濟各資優生比率高" [St. Francis School Has a High Ratio of Gifted Students]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). p. F2.
The article notes: "本港並無專門訓練資優生的學校,而推行資優教育達十二年的聖方濟各英文小學,可能是有資優小朋友家長的一個選擇。 該校校長梁偉才表示,現時全校千多位學生中,智力超過一百三十的資優生超過一百五十人,很可能是全港最高資優生比率的小學。"
From Google Translate: "St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School, a private primary school with 12 years of experience in gifted teaching, with 95% of its students admitted to English secondary schools, has now distributed primary one admission applications. ... There are no schools in Hong Kong that specialise in training gifted students. St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School, which has been promoting gifted education for 12 years, may be an option for parents of gifted children. The principal of the school, Leung Wai-chai, said that among the more than 1,000 students in the school, there are more than 150 gifted students with intelligence exceeding 130, making it probably the primary school with the highest ratio of gifted students in Hong Kong."
- "聖方濟各英文小學 全面推行資優教育" [St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School Fully Implements Gifted Education]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2005-01-28. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "看準了這一點,10 年前起,聖方濟各英文小學,嘗試在校內推行普及資優教育,務求把孩子的潛能,全數發掘出來! ... 師資方面:目前該校有12位老師,他們都曾在馮漢柱資優中心接受訓練。另外,校方不時邀請本港大學以及台灣資優研究專家到校分享,拓闊老師的知識層面。... 該校亦著重英語教學,其課程較一般的學校高一級。此外,常識科教學亦是以英語授課,及至小三時,數學科亦採用英語教授。該校有兩位以英語為母語的外籍教師,以英語教學。而為營造英語環境,校園集會時以英語進行;校內的通告備有中英文版本、校園內的壁報絕大部分為英文資料。再者每一個星期亦設有 Special Monday,當天所有學生,要以英語溝通。"
From Google Translate: "With this in mind, St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School has been trying to implement universal gifted education in schools since 10 years ago, in order to fully explore the potential of children! ... In terms of teachers: There are currently 12 teachers in the school, all of whom have received training at the Feng Hanzhu Gifted Center. In addition, the school invites gifted research experts from local universities and Taiwan from time to time to the school to share their knowledge to broaden the knowledge of teachers. ... The school also focuses on English teaching, and its courses are one level higher than those of ordinary schools. In addition, general knowledge subjects are also taught in English, and in primary three, mathematics is also taught in English. The school has two native English-speaking foreign teachers who teach in English. In order to create an English-speaking environment, campus assemblies are held in English; campus announcements are available in Chinese and English, and most posters on campus are in English. In addition, there is a Special Monday every week, and all students on that day must communicate in English."
- Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2021-08-23). 聖方濟各英文小學小一新生名額約160個 "【小一入學】重視語文必修日文或法文 聖方濟各英文小學小一新生名額約160個" [【Primary 1 Enrollment】Emphasis on Language Requirements—Japanese or French as a Compulsory Subject, Around 160 Spots for New Primary 1 Students at St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "位於深水埗區的聖方濟各英文小學在1955年創校,學校重視學生的語文能力,除兩文三語外,更讓學生接觸其他外語,提升競爭力。學校現正招收2022-2023學年小一新生,截止報名日期為9月13日。"
From Google Translate: "St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School in Sham Shui Po District was founded in 1955. The school attaches great importance to students' language skills. In addition to being biliterate and trilingual, it also exposes students to other foreign languages to enhance their competitiveness. The school is now recruiting new primary school students for the 2022-2023 school year, and the deadline for registration is 13 September."
- Articles about the church and school from Ayako Fukushima:
- Fukushima, Ayako (2020-02-21). "The last Chinese style architecture: St. Francis of Assisi Church and School in Shek Kip Mei". Sunday Examiner. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "St. Francis of Assisi Church and School was built in Shek Kip Mei in 1955 in the Chinese renaissance architectural style (or adaptive Chinese style), which refers to buildings using modern materials such as reinforced concrete with designs of traditional Chinese architecture such as a curving upturned roof with tiles and imitated bracket system. ... After the late 1950s, architecture of Hong Kong lost style and became mostly functional. As a historian, I tried to uncover forgotten stories of St. Francis of Assisi Church and wish to share some of them below. Further details can be found in my journal article, Building St. Francis of Assisi Church and School in Hong Kong: Emergence of Church and School Complex in the 1950s, in Architectural Institute of Japan Journal of Architectural Planning, Vol. 85, No. 768, published in February 2020."
- Fukushima, Ayako (February 2020). "Building St. Francis of Assisi Church and School in Hong Kong: Emergence of Church and School Complex" (PDF). Journal of Architectural Planning. 85 (768). Architectural Institute of Japan: 453–462. doi:10.3130/aija.85.453. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
- Fukushima, Ayako (2020-02-21). "The last Chinese style architecture: St. Francis of Assisi Church and School in Shek Kip Mei". Sunday Examiner. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
- Less significant coverage:
- "巴域街考古 賞半世紀中西合璧教堂" [Archaeology on Bay Street: A Half-Century of Chinese-Western Fusion in Churches]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2022-07-29. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "路程大致從聖方濟各英文小學旁出發,漫步至美荷樓完結。先參觀位於聖方濟各英文小學旁的聖方濟各堂,「香港探古」版主Nicky介紹,它暫時未獲古物譫詢委員會評級,但早於1956年建成,屬於中華文藝復興建築風格的香港天主教教堂,既展現圓拱美學,亦有橙紅色中式瓦頂,中西合璧的風格加上保存良好,值得一看。"
From Google Translate: "The journey roughly starts next to St. Francis English Primary School and ends at Mei Ho House. First visit the St. Francis Church located next to St. Francis English Primary School. Nicky, the moderator of "Hong Kong Exploration" introduced that it has not yet been rated by the Antiquities Advisory Board, but it was built as early as 1956 and belongs to the Chinese Renaissance architectural style. The Hong Kong Catholic Church not only displays the aesthetics of round arches, but also has an orange-red Chinese-style tile roof. It combines Chinese and Western styles and is well preserved. It is worth a visit."
- "聖方濟各堂 融入社區助草根" [St. Francis Church Integrates into the Community to Support Grassroots]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2016-06-09. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
The article notes: "天主教紮根香港174年,一直由開設教堂、辦學和推行社會服務3大環節組成,其中深水埗聖方濟各堂(St. Francis of Assisi Church)堪稱融入社區的佼佼者。"
From Google Translate: "Catholicism has taken root in Hong Kong for 174 years and has always been composed of three major links: opening churches, running schools, and implementing social services. Among them, St. Francis of Assisi Church in Sham Shui Po is a leader in integrating into the community."
The article notes; "本地現有256間天主教學校,夏其龍指聖方濟各英文小學赫赫有名,多少因為50至70年代間,幫助區內貧苦大眾考入鮮少能讀到的英文中學,避免失卻入大學機會。 「以前社會你若讀書好,一定會做到(階級上流)。」"
From Google Translate: "There are 256 Catholic schools in the local area. Xia Qilong pointed out that St. Francis of Assisi English Primary School is very famous, partly because from the 1950s to the 1970s, it helped poor people in the area get into English secondary schools that were rarely available and avoid losing the opportunity to enter university. "In the past society, if you were good at studying, you would definitely achieve (high class status).""
- "巴域街考古 賞半世紀中西合璧教堂" [Archaeology on Bay Street: A Half-Century of Chinese-Western Fusion in Churches]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2022-07-29. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
- Lee, Sau-shan 李綉珊 (2024-12-16). 航拍-AI製作70周年校慶片媲美電影? "最強校慶片|聖方濟各英文小學出動200師生共舞 航拍+AI製作70周年校慶片媲美電影" [Ultimate School Anniversary Video|St. Francis of Assisi's English Primary School Brings Together 200 Teachers and Students for a Dance Performance, Aerial Footage and AI-Generated 70th Anniversary Video Rivals a Movie]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from 航拍-AI製作70周年校慶片媲美電影? the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.
- @Cunard Thank you for finding these sources. I'm curious how you're accessing the Hong Kong newspapers? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Some of these sources are from databases that index Hong Kong newspapers. Cunard (talk) 06:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage such as Hong Kong newspapers identified in this discussion that together show a pass of WP:GNG in my view, particularly in regard to the architecture, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- First United Methodist Church (Midland, Texas) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This congregation has apparently been around a long time but I cannot find any evidence for its notability other than being the site of the Bush marriage, which really doesn't cut it. Mangoe (talk) 21:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Per WP:NCHURCH, individual congregations may be evaluated on GNG, which this one pass with SIGCOV in the Midland Reporter-Telegram ([2], [3]) plus the coverage in various George W and Laura Bush biographies. (Once this AfD is over, the page should be moved to reflect that it is no longer United Methodist.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified above, weak because its only one publication leaving aside the Bush bios, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- San Anselmo de Canterbury University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NORG and WP:SIGCOV. Reliable, independent sources simply do not seem to exist for this university. Muzilon (talk) 03:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG / WP:SNG criteria (WP:NORG / WP:SIRS). No news articles for WP:V. QEnigma talk 07:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I’m not even certain this entity exists or ever existed. Everything I find online searching on several different configurations of the name in English and Spanish turns up only Wikipedia mirrors. There’s also no “Episcopal Anglican Church of Chile”; the Anglican Church of Chile has different seminary programs. Possibly a WP:HOAX? Regardless, WP:GNG failure. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is definitely something odd here. It gets mentioned in this book [4] and this person claims they were educated there [5]. All Anglican churches are Episcopal, so I expect that description could just be over explaining and should be the "episcopal Anglican Church of Chile". I don't think it is claiming to be a breakaway province. It is also necessary to also search on the proper Spanish name "Universidad San Anselmo de Canterbury" and also worth a check on a more anglicised "Saint Anselm of Canterbury University", but that finds others but not this one as far as I can see. I found a mention in this Creative Writing thesis [6] but that shows nothing - the creative writing could be modelled on a real or fictional place. I think this refers to it just as San Anselmo University [7] but searching under that name seems to be dominated by hits to a university of that name in Rome. And then attacking from another direction, the official Anglican seminary in Chile appears to just be called the Chilean Anglican Seminary [8]. There is a wikidata item [9] which fails to tell us where this is. Chile is a huge country, and Santiago is so far from many other locations that a second seminary is quite reasonable, yet despite extensive searching, I cannot find a website for this supposed university, nor an address, nor even the city it is in. The logo [10] was uploaded by Eastmain. I cannot find it anywhere else. In English the text says Saint Anselm's College, and a facebook page created in 2011 and with 0 followers [11] suggests it is a college of the University of Chile - but the University of Chile page does not verify. The Spanish text seems at odds with the English. Perhaps Eastmain can recall where this logo came from. Delete certainly appears right, but if this is a WP:HOAX then people are using this hoax to misrepresent themselves in books and CVs. It would be useful to establish if it is a hoax - in which case the wikidata item also needs to come down. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- A reverse image search quickly showed up that the supposed University logo is modified from the one for the municipality of Tomé. Which is, at least, in Chile. If this place exists at all, it is presumably located there. But odd that it has the same crest, modified. Also odd that the municipality page only mentions another University college, and that one certainly has a different crest [12]. Still looking odd. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Sirfurboy The LinkedIn user touting her credential there says she got a medical/surgery degree... from a seminary? She also links back to the Wiki page. (She also has text on her page in Indonesian; I'm guessing this is just a fake account.) It would not surprise me if most of the ghostly fragments you've found are based on the Wikipedia page, which has been here since 2008. If we can't find any pre-2008 content to validate this, I think the Wikidata item should go as well. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Sirfurboy The only digital evidence of an "Episcopal Anglican Church of Chile" is this alumni newsletter post from Clive Read, who claims to have been made a bishop in it in 2006. Read has an, um, interesting ordination pedigree: [13], [14]. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, that bishop is obviously fake too. But all the same, as it's a subject I have been editing just today, I'll mention that he gets the name of Elim wrong (which one of their pastors really should not do!) Elim is officially the Elim Foursquare Gospel Alliance, a pentecostal denomination. If there is any truth to anything else there, then it's a one man band and clearly too small an affair to have a seminary. This ticks all the boxes for a WP:HOAX. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Sirfurboy The only digital evidence of an "Episcopal Anglican Church of Chile" is this alumni newsletter post from Clive Read, who claims to have been made a bishop in it in 2006. Read has an, um, interesting ordination pedigree: [13], [14]. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is definitely something odd here. It gets mentioned in this book [4] and this person claims they were educated there [5]. All Anglican churches are Episcopal, so I expect that description could just be over explaining and should be the "episcopal Anglican Church of Chile". I don't think it is claiming to be a breakaway province. It is also necessary to also search on the proper Spanish name "Universidad San Anselmo de Canterbury" and also worth a check on a more anglicised "Saint Anselm of Canterbury University", but that finds others but not this one as far as I can see. I found a mention in this Creative Writing thesis [6] but that shows nothing - the creative writing could be modelled on a real or fictional place. I think this refers to it just as San Anselmo University [7] but searching under that name seems to be dominated by hits to a university of that name in Rome. And then attacking from another direction, the official Anglican seminary in Chile appears to just be called the Chilean Anglican Seminary [8]. There is a wikidata item [9] which fails to tell us where this is. Chile is a huge country, and Santiago is so far from many other locations that a second seminary is quite reasonable, yet despite extensive searching, I cannot find a website for this supposed university, nor an address, nor even the city it is in. The logo [10] was uploaded by Eastmain. I cannot find it anywhere else. In English the text says Saint Anselm's College, and a facebook page created in 2011 and with 0 followers [11] suggests it is a college of the University of Chile - but the University of Chile page does not verify. The Spanish text seems at odds with the English. Perhaps Eastmain can recall where this logo came from. Delete certainly appears right, but if this is a WP:HOAX then people are using this hoax to misrepresent themselves in books and CVs. It would be useful to establish if it is a hoax - in which case the wikidata item also needs to come down. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: no sources, no coverage, claims to be accredited by an institution operating out of a townhouse. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 02:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete article and wikidata as a WP:HOAX. The crest will be deleted as unused, but for the avoidance of doubt, that should go. List in Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia. Per discussion above. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I concur with Sirfurboy's analysis that this subject is likely a hoax. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- UP! (Forrest Frank and Connor Price song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to fail WP:NSONG; I am unable to find sufficient WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. There is this with three or four sentences of independent coverage, as well as this blog post and trivial mentions like this. JTtheOG (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Christianity, and United States of America. JTtheOG (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Child of God (album) as an alternative to deletion. Per nom, does not meet WP:NSONG or WP:SIGCOV - but that doesn't stop this particular author from creating articles that fail to meet WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC criteria. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Child of God (album): agree with Baston's reasoning but would merge. Rainydaywindows (talk) 07:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thy Kingdom Come (Transformation Worship album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to fail WP:NALBUM; I am unable to find any in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources. JTtheOG (talk) 20:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Christianity, and United States of America. JTtheOG (talk) 20:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Transformation Worship: I also failed to find coverage, including in the Christian sources listed as RSMUSIC. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Transformation Worship, per QuietHere, as an alternative to deletion. I also can't find any WP:SIGCOV. Charting on a niche/genre chart does not meet the criteria for WP:NALBUM, which refers to the primary music chart for a country. The creator of the article seems to be on a mission to create articles for every Christian music album, despite having WP:NMUSIC and WP:NALBUM and the requirements for significant coverage pointed out to them on several occasions. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Transformation Worship: per nom Rainydaywindows (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sweden Yearly Meeting (via WP:PROD on 6 November 2024)
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