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02:35, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Warmtoned

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Hello! I'm working on a draft for Sophia Laforteza of Katseye, in other words, a member of a band/musical group. As per WP:BANDMEMBER, the individual needs certain independant notability. I'm requesting general information and clarity as to what independant notability exactly means, and how this guideline could be met. This would greatly help the submission of the draft and getting into mainspace, as well as knowing how exactly notable the subject is in regards to getting it accepted on Wikipedia. Cheers! Warmtoned (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had just realized this may not be the right help desk to ask this question, please let me know if that is the case and where I could be redirected! Warmtoned (talk) 02:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Warmtoned, please be patient and wait until your draft has been reviewed before asking for assistance at this help desk. The review is the next step. Cullen328 (talk) 05:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I had figured this help desk wasn’t the right placement to ask a question about notability as per WP:BANDMEMBER, so I appreciate the clarity. Warmtoned 🕯 talk! 13:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

03:48, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Ms 2024 baiiiii

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Beatbot is a top brand in robotic pool cleaner industry, how can a brand be list in wikipedia, thanks Ms 2024 baiiiii (talk) 03:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ms 2024 baiiiii Wikipedia isn't a brand listing, neither is it a place for promotion. You need to demonstrate that the company is notable by providing multiple independent reliable sources. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ms 2024 baiiiii, your one sentence draft utterly fails to make the case that this product is notable. Compare it to an article about a somewhat similar household robot Roomba, which is vastly more detailed and has 168 references. Your references, except for one, are terrible. Cullen328 (talk) 05:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes, thanks Ms 2024 baiiiii (talk) 08:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

05:11, 25 November 2024 review of submission by 2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4

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Why? 2400:AC40:61C:3C89:A194:3975:78D3:3FA4 (talk) 05:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, right now you don't have references, which is a problem. But I don't know why it was rejected. @SafariScribe? -- asilvering (talk) 05:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, that was a wrong click of reject instead of decline. Cheers! Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10:49, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Isaajibola

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Dear Team,

I am currently working on an article titled Zubaida Umar. Unfortunately, I made an error by redrafting another article with the same content, which was subsequently published. This has resulted in a conflict between the two articles, preventing the first article from being considered for submission, and the submission was ultimately declined.

I have been trying to delete the second draft but have been unsuccessful. As a temporary measure, I recently edited the second draft and deleted all its content before publishing it.

I would like to confirm if this approach is the correct way to resolve the issue so that I do not have conflicting articles requiring merging. My goal is to resubmit the first article on Zubaida Umar for consideration.

Thank you for your assistance. Isaajibola (talk) 10:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

checkY resolved, after user came to the IRC live chat for help. qcne (talk) 11:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:59, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Nabil Madi

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Publishing the article on Wikipedia Nabil Madi (talk) 11:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nabil Madi Not as presented, no. no Declined 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have resubmitted it for review. It is unlikely to be accepted, as it is poorly sourced and many parts are unsourced. Wikipedia articles cannot be used as a source for other Wikipedia articles. You seem to be writing about yourself, this is highly discouraged, see the autobiography policy. Also, the image of yourself seems to be professionally taken, but you claim it as your own personal work and claim you own the copyright. Please clarify. Typically the photographer owns the copyright. 331dot (talk) 12:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:09, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sillygoose92

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how do I make this an article titled Draft: Daniel J. Ballard ? Sillygoose92 (talk) 12:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The specific title of a draft is not particularly relevant. If the draft is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. You can create drafts via the Article Wizard which will start them at a better title than the name of your sandbox, for future reference. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:44, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Hobodubo

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I’m new here I need assistance Hobodubo (talk) 13:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see no indication that the person you have wrote about meets our WP:NOTABILITY criteria, @Hobodubo qcne (talk) 13:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:56, 25 November 2024 review of submission by OgTheig69

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why si this rejected? i dont understand. i have references. it has all the ingo on how this word started within the Twitch gaming community. OgTheig69 (talk) 13:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't accept AI-generated drafts about dictionary definitions. Maybe go to Urban Dictionary. qcne (talk) 15:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:00, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Weasleyrian

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I am seeking guidance regarding my draft of SmarterMail, which was rejected on November 22 by @Bonadea. I believe the rejection may have been premature. I have been addressing the concerns raised and believe that the topic meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for inclusion. Could you advise on how I can appeal the rejection and continue improving the draft? Your guidance would be greatly appreciated. Weasleyrian (talk) 14:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first step to appeal a rejection is to appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly, please use their user talk page. You can continue editing the draft regardless. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Before appealing to the reviewer make sure you have at least three high quality sources that discuss SmarterMail in-depth with significant coverage, otherwise you will be will wasting everyone's time. Theroadislong (talk) 14:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI to reviewers, there's lots of discussion on the user talk page. This is a difficult one where the user has been assigned this task by their professor. qcne (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Weasleyrian: It looks very clear from the draft history, the discussion on your user talk page, and the sources (including several that had been removed from the draft) that the software is not independently notable – and since the company creating the software isn't notable either, I don't see how there could be an article about it. I am very sorry that you were set an impossible assignment, but that doesn't change anything in terms of whether the software is notable or not.
What do you mean when you said the rejection was premature? The draft had been declined six times by three different reviewers before I saw it, so I don't really understand the "premature" comment. --bonadea contributions talk 16:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I referred to the rejection as premature, I meant that I was still in the process of revising and rewriting the content at the time. The company and its software are notable, as their products have been widely recognized. Additionally, a search on Google reveals books and articles discussing the product and the company. I was in the process of reviewing these materials to ensure they met the criteria for reliable and independent sources. Weasleyrian (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Weasleyrian. You resubmitted at at 2024-11-21 21:02:36, and @Bonadearejected it eleven and a half hours later, at 2024-11-22 08:38:10. You're perfectly entitled to continue editing after submitting, as you did; but you had asked for a review, which Bonadea gave. Why did you resubmit if it was not ready for review?
I am sorry that your professor appears to have set you an impossible task. Has your professor read WP:Education program/Educators?
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:01, 25 November 2024 review of submission by KellyWendorf

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Cannot publish page KellyWendorf (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@KellyWendorf: that's because this draft has been rejected. Rejection means the end of the road.
And in case you haven't been made aware of this yet, we very strongly discourage autobiographies; see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, @KellyWendorf. I have rejected it as you are not notable and do not merit an article on Wikipedia. qcne (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there,
It seems you may need more notable sources to publish us. Here are links to articles that feature Kelly Wendorf:
MSN Travel
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tripideas/santa-fe-new-mexico-travel-guide-a-soulful-journey-of-self-love-wellness-in-the-land-of-enchantment/ar-AA1ttYzE?cvid=8ab2f3dbf62b4caef3a509f729eb9358&ei=8#
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/19/style/equus-horses.html
Vogue
https://www.vogue.com/article/how-equine-therapy-can-help-us-face-our-fears
Kindred Magazine
https://kindredmedia.org/2021/03/finding-a-bridge-to-indigenous-wisdom-and-worldview-an-interview-with-kelly-wendorf/
The Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-horse-therapy-make-you-a-better-at-your-job-1543962433
Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christinaliao/2018/10/31/a-look-at-equus-an-equine-program-thatll-change-your-life/?sh=7f3fec244734
Is this enough to prove that we should have a Wikipedia Page?
Link to website as well press/podcast page
https://www.equusinspired.com/press KellyWendorf (talk) 16:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, nope @KellyWendorf. None of those sources provide significant coverage or are independent. qcne (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The thing that you're missing, @KellyWendorf, is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Unless you can find several sources each meeting the triple criteria in WP:42, there is literally nothing that can go into an article about you. ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:22, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Chethu0728

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The article written for a person is a doctor by profession. He has done excellant contribution to the society. He is a receipient of B.C. Roy Presidential award in 2018. Please let me know what changes to be done for the approval of the article in Wikipedia. Chethu0728 (talk) 16:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chethu0728 Please see the criteria for inclusion at WP:NPERSON. You will need to totally re-write this draft as currently it is just a resume. Wikipedia does not host resumes. qcne (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:30, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Sunflowerlilies

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Hi there! Could you tell me what I need to work on? I'm not quite sure what you mean. Sunflowerlilies (talk) 16:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Sunflowerlilies, your draft has a lot of content and a single source. Is all the content from that one source? We would usually require at least three independent sources to prove that a person meets our definition of "notable". qcne (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Everything is from a single source. Sunflowerlilies (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And it's not even clear what that 'source' is, or whether it indeed is a valid source. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://kurdcollect.com/index.php/%D9%85%D8%AD%DB%95%D9%85%DB%95%D8%AF_%D8%A6%DB%95%D9%85%DB%8C%D9%86_%D8%A6%D8%A7%D8%BA%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%87%DB%95%D9%85%DB%95%D9%88%DB%95%D9%86%D8%AF_%DB%8C%DB%95%D9%83%DB%95%D9%85_%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C_%D9%82%DB%95%D8%B2%D8%A7%DB%8C_%DA%86%DB%95%D9%85%DA%86%DB%95%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%B5
Here is the single source. Sunflowerlilies (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sunflowerlilies: okay, thank you. For future reference, if you have an online source, cite it; this makes it much easier for reviewers (and readers) to verify the source. And if you're citing an offline source, you need to provide sufficient bibliographical detail so that the source can be reliably identified; see WP:OFFLINE for more on this. Finally, sources must be published, which "Interviews and questions from the descendants of Muhammad Amin Agha Hamwand" does not sound like. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17:06, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Wikigeekgod99

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which items are problematic vs. unacceptable? Wikigeekgod99 (talk) 17:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first problem is that basically all of the useful sourcing is about the documentary; there's almost no content here that's about Juson, outside of a basic description of who she is. You may have the framework for an article about the documentary here, not Juson specifically.
The other problem is that even if you're just writing about the documentary, there needs to be a massive paring down of the sources. Independent reviews of the documentary that are in large publications and aren't part of interviews are good. However, there's a lot of sources here that do nothing to help the article; Wikipedia can not be used as a source, nor are things like schedules that list a viewing time for the film. Flooding an article with anything that is a passing mention of the subject is completely counterproductive; it's a bit like washing the dishes by flooding your kitchen with a fire hose. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 05:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18:20, 25 November 2024 review of submission by 216.11.33.210

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What can I do to get it approved? I am trying to publish this for a reason, not just for fun. 216.11.33.210 (talk) 18:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing you can do, it has been rejected. 331dot (talk) 18:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if your reason is anything other than "to help Wikipedia reach its aim of summarising what independent reliable sources say about notable subjects", then you have not understood what Wikipedia is. ColinFine (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:57, 25 November 2024 review of submission by Thisisnot1621

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Not sure how I would make this not sound like advertisement. Thisisnot1621 (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's academic, since it was rejected, but Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about an organization and its offerings or views. A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 21:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:11, 25 November 2024 review of submission by JanaFerrume

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Hi I have edited article and appreciate feedback, thank you JanaFerrume (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JanaFerrume: This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):
Nothing you have helps a whit to show she is notable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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