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Need help finding people to help with a history article...

Hey, I want to make an article about WW2, but need help finding people with same interests. I'm very knowledgeable but not an expert, and if someone could help me with this that would be amazing! ThatADHDperson (talk) 21:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @ThatADHDperson, welcome to the Teahouse. I think you'll find a lot of kindred spirits over at WikiProject Military history. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @ 199.208.172.35! ThatADHDperson (talk) 21:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Well I tried to create a group/initiative but it sent me to a user landing pad thing... ThatADHDperson (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThatADHDperson, if you want to start a discussion about potentially creating a new article, you should probably begin with a post on their talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. But it might be better to get some experience fixing up existing articles first. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

You don't need to create a WWII task force. They already have one: [1]. -- asilvering (talk) 21:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ThatADHDperson, and welcome to the Teahouse.Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. Are you sure that what you want to write about is not covered in any of the thousands of articles already in Category:World War II? I'm sure many of them would benefit from a knowledgable eye. (But please remember that the value of your knowledge lies in knowing where to find the information: Wikipedia articles are summaries of what has been published in reliable sources, not of what a particular editor knows, even if they are an expert. See No original research). ColinFine (talk) 21:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

No, I don't think it is, though I haven't read each and every single one,. I could see if there's one that could use editing or more knowledge... ThatADHDperson (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Military History has a pretty huge cleanup backlog, if you want to try fixing some articles that already exist before diving in to bigger efforts. (See here: [2]) A lot of those are surely WWII articles. You might want to start with some of the ones under "content", like "buzzword cleanup". -- asilvering (talk) 21:46, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Good idea... thanks! ThatADHDperson (talk) 21:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Uh... I have a problem, again. I know nothing of aviation or military vehicles or any of that, but that's mostly all I see there... I'm more of a dates, info kinda person... ThatADHDperson (talk) 00:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Basic things like dates are already likely to be well-covered in Wikipedia articles. But again, as ColinFine has already said, it's about knowing where to find information, not knowing the information outright. You shouldn't be adding info to wikipedia articles without sources anyway. That's part of why I recommended looking at the cleanup list; a lot of the work there is things like "fix broken links" or "remove promotional language". That's (mostly) something an editor can do regardless of what they already know about a topic. -- asilvering (talk) 00:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I have resources for my info. https://www.brittanica.com And other sources. But this one is my particular favorite. ThatADHDperson (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

But I'll see what I can find... ThatADHDperson (talk) 19:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThatADHDperson, Britannica is only marginally reliable by Wikipedia's standards. See its entry at WP:BRITANNICA. If you look through the long chart on that page (at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources) you'll get a decent sense of what sources are considered good, bad and in-between, and why. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I see... Well, I guess I'll try some stuff on the clean-up list..., see how that goes and go on from there. ThatADHDperson (talk) 19:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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I just sent a page to be reviewed, but they say no reliable recourse found, yet i am one of the founders of the page im trying to write, what do i do? 89.114.70.70 (talk) 19:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't mentioned the name of the draft and there are no other contributions from this IP, so I'll have to speak in general terms.

Wikipedia is built on what reliable, independent, secondary sources have reported about a subject. As the founder, you are not an independent or secondary source. Also, you have an obvious conflict of interest. You must declare your conflict of interest per the page I linked, then gather sources which meet the criteria I mentioned earlier, and write your draft based on them.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean that you are one of the founders of an organization you are trying to write a WP-article about? Then see WP:COI, WP:N, WP:NORG and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:40, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Creating A Wikepedia Artice / Profile

Hello. I want to create a Wiki page for an entrepreneur who has lots of coverage from credible sources, BBC news, Talk Sport, Daily Mail, Daily Star, The Sun, The Guardian and more. can someone assist me with this? Morpheusblake (talk) 12:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I can provide all media links. He is an Entrepreneur who has heavy involvement in a football club, hence the immense press coverage. I just want to make sure its done correctly Morpheusblake (talk) 12:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Morpheusblake (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't have profiles here; we have articles with a neutral point of view that summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. It appears you have already attempted this and you have learned that writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt here on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that new users first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what is expected of article content. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and what they do. You must tell what sources say is significant or influential about the person- and cannot be interviews, press releases, simple mentions, or mere documentation of their activities. Please read Your First Article.

Your language here suggests to me that you may have a connection to this person. If you do, you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift reply @331dot . Yes I will read through all of these links you have put. Morpheusblake (talk) 12:23, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Morpheusblake It would be helpful to know who you are intending to write about. Note that the Daily Mail is no use as a source, as Wikipedia editors don't consider it is reliable and tabloid sources are less useful than mainstream newspapers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mike. the name is "Sarbjot Johal are you able to assess this ? Morpheusblake (talk) 14:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by this. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

The OP means that Sarbjot Johal will be the topic of the draft, which is what I asked. I can see sources like this Guardian article, so it is possible that notability requirements could be met. My advice, @Morpheusblake would be to read WP:BLP carefully and create the draft using the WP:AfC process. Note that the best sources will be those that meet these criteria. Quality is more important than quantity. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise on Wikipedia rules and guidelines, but not to be authors or co-authors. As mentioned above, WP:YFA explains how to create and then submit a draft to a reviewer. Your sandbox is a place you can practice creating properly formatted references, then cut/paste into the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Tornadoes of 2007 and Tornadoes of 2008 are incomplete, how do I input the relevant info using the table formats for those articles?

Created an account just for this. I've been using the "tornadoes of x year" extensively for a project I'm working on. I noticed that the articles for Tornadoes of 2007 and Tornadoes of 2008 are incomplete. 2008 appears to be accurate up to and including May, and 2007 up to and including March. In 2007's case, many of the month-by-month subarticles are entirely blank. 2008 ditches the month-by-month subarticles starting with June, and there is no listing for individual tornadoes past then.

I've been using the NOAA storm events database to fill in those blanks for the purpose of the project, but I thought that maybe I could do a service by completing the incomplete articles. I'm familiar with the datapoints that the articles include about each tornado, and I have experience describing them for my project.

However, I have no idea how to format the tables that are used in these articles. Truth be told, my only history of editing on Wikipedia is the occasional typo or grammatical correction. When I click on the link that says "this list is incomplete, you can help by adding missing items" the text that shows up in edit mode might as well be the green text in The Matrix for how much of it I can understand.

If I could get a breakdown of how to make these tables, I could complete the articles. Or, I could collect the raw data and submit it to someone who already knows how to format those articles.

My method of acquiring this information would be to manually check the NOAA database of each state during each time period that is missing. It would be time consuming, but I have a lot of that these days. Danielnrg (talk) 09:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Danielnrg. Before you try and be WP:BOLD and tackle a project such as this by yourself, you might want to start a discussion about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather to see what some others might think. You're not required to do this, but you might find others who are experienced in working on tornado-related articles who might be willing to help. At the same time, you might find out that there are reasons why these tables are incomplete that have to do with some relevant Wikipedia policy or guideline that you might not be aware of. There's nothing wrong with being BOLD per se, and that's usually the way most articles end up being improved. However, being WP:CAUTIOUS does have its merits too, particularly if you're not very familiar with how Wikipedia tends to work. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:58, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice, and I will certainly be following it. Danielnrg (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi all! what is the best template to use to list a scientist patents, I have seen several to list

Hi all! what is the best template to use to list a scientist patents, I have seen several to list listed under: United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO).

Danka! JanaFerrume (talk) 19:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JanaFerrume, welcome to the Teahouse. There is {{US patent}}, and at the bottom of that page, under See also, is a list of other patent-related templates, for example one which links to European Patent Register entries. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much.

He has over 100 patents, is it acceptable to submit a grouping, as I continue to work the article, I still have it in draft.

this is the format i found prior to your response :

• U.S. patent 20,050,237,494 Image projection lighting device

JanaFerrume (talk) 20:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

typo = on +i/ I  ;-O JanaFerrume (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume, please do not list all of his patents. The purpose of a Wikipedia article is to be a high level encyclopedic summary of a topic, not a resume, and should primarily be based on reliable secondary sources, not primary ones. If your secondary sources mention specific, important inventions or patents of his, then make a short list of just those relevant ones. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

yes I see that , :)

I do have a question.

for example, this person as Im reading /researching/writing pioneered his industry. Would the article be better served if it had images of such inventions/ I have seen it in other wikipedia articles, with and without.

ie. am image of an I-phone to display the invention.

Open to your suggestions.

Thank you :) JanaFerrume (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume, generally, yes, though be careful about adding images just for the sake of having images. An image which is directly relevant to a nearby section of the text is quite helpful. An image which is there because "this article could really use an image, how about this one, it's sort-of-semi-related-if-you-squint" is less helpful. Also, be mindful of copyright laws when it comes to uploading images - Wikipedia tends to take them more seriously than other sites. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

thank you for your insight! my thought, if I add, its "fluff" not needed. so I didnt, I just submitted article for review. Thank you for your time :) JanaFerrume (talk) 21:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Add a death on Deaths_in_2023

Hello, I've edited Barbar Bosson's page to noted her recent passing, can't find anything on google and I suppose this would be the next place where people would check - is it possible / worth adding a death where no "official" notice has been give, other than via son on his social media? JonnyTout (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

JonnyTout Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Is there going to be a news story or even a published obituary in a newspaper/media outlet? That would be better than a social media post. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, not sure as yet there's nothing on google, so I'll probably wait until there is. JonnyTout (talk) 22:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@JonnyTout: In case you haven't seen it, someone added an article from Variety magazine to the Barbara Bosson article. GoingBatty (talk) 16:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GoingBatty - yep, I noticed that had appeared.

I don't think anything official had been publised as I headed to bed, other than her son posting on Instragram.

Not to worry though, thanks. JonnyTout (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Article Deleted, can't ask user why

Hello, I'm new to wikipedia and found out that the a draft article I was writing in my userpace was deleted. I wanted to ask a few questions about that.

Do draft articles get deleted after a period of time even if they're only drafts? I was going to add the sources for my article as the final step, but it seems that it didn't matter.

I also wanted to ask how to contact users. The user who deleted my draft gave a short summary of why but when I went to their talk page, I couldn't figure out how to ask them about it. There didn't seem to be an option. Thank you. Souresrafil576* (talk) 21:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Souresrafil576*, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your draft was deleted as an Unambiguous copyright infringement: too much infringement and when not verbatime close paraphrasing. Copyright violations are taken quite seriously on Wikipedia. You must be sure to summarize everything in your own words - almost entirely in your own words, so that both the words used and the structure/arrangement are significantly different.

Among other options, you can start a new discussion on a user's talk page, or any talk page, by clicking "Add topic" at the top right. (I'm assuming you're using the source editor on a non-mobile device, which seems to be the case.) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. Would it be possible that there is a guide on paraphrasing on wikipedia? Thank you. Souresrafil576* (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I think there's one here: WP:PARAPHRASE! Tails Wx 21:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

The above is a good one, and if you like reading, you could also take a look at Wikipedia:Writing better articles for more general guidance. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikiboxes

Best definition of my request: How do you make Wikiboxes?

I know how to get the User Data, but the coding may be the complicated part.

(If I have to use a coding tutorial, I will. Then again, the I got the info accidentally)

=ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 22:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ionic Ludicrous, welcome to the Teahouse. That depends on what you mean by "Wikiboxes" - WP:Userboxes? WP:Infoboxes? Something else? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Userboxes definitely.

Found it.

Thanks for linking WP:Userboxes, Sir IP address.

;) =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 22:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

It's Ma'am IP address, actually. And you're welcome @Ionic Ludicrous! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

How to search

What has happened to Wiki? I went to look up a subject and cannot find the search block to enter it. Jnyork (talk) 22:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jnyork, welcome to the Teahouse. The search box is now left-center at the top of the screen; if your browser window is very narrow, it may simply appear as a magnifying glass icon. The default display skin for Wikipedia changed a few weeks ago. Since you have an account, you can switch back to the old version in your preferences if you wish. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 23:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Lua error on Adjacent stations

Hello I keep enconuting a Lua error in Module:Adjacent_stations at line 237: Unknown line "KA"? I have added the updated code to both Module:Adjacent stations/Hellenic Train and Module:Adjacent stations/Hellenic Train/doc but I still getting a error warning, I have missed a step I know, but cant seem to work out where it is within the basecode... if you can help or fix I would be very grateful thank you ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Page Suggestion/Question

I noticed there used to be a page about the organization Destination ImagiNation - this is a worldwide competition for children. The organization is far reaching (1000000+ participants), and there is a page for the similar (but smaller) Odyssey of the Mind.

This is an organization that I have a lot of passion for, so I'm not sure that I would be the person to author a page but I was curious if it seems to fit Wikipedia's definition of notability?

Is this the place for this question?

thanks! zmc Zacmacncheese (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Zacmacncheese, welcome to the Teahouse. You can read the deletion discussion from 2021 here. At that time, two editors were unable to find enough sources to demonstrate that the organization was notable. It has, of course, been several years since that discussion, and more sources may have emerged. If you'd like to undertake the quest of locating such sources, reviewing the requirements as outlined briefly here will help you understand what you're looking for. If you find sources that you think meet those requirements, folks here at the Teahouse are often willing to give them a quick review if you drop the links in a post. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Gosh, I'm familiar with this organization and surprised it doesn't already have a Wikipedia article. But my (very brief, not thorough) search for coverage found a lot of non-independent coverage. I suppose that makes sense - I'm not sure how much independent coverage this organization would even need, since it's done through schools. And the news I found is all stuff like this: [3]. That doesn't really help build an article. I could help make sure you're keeping things to a neutral point of view, but I think you might be stuck for sources to start out. Do you have any news coverage that you think fulfils the criteria explained at WP:ORGCRIT? -- asilvering (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Descriptions underneath Wikipedia article links - Where can they be corrected?

Sometime in the last few years, I got annoyed by some Americans trying to Americanise everything on here as usual, by changing the English word programmes on articles about British productions/actors/filmmakers etc to the Americanism programs.

It was then decided that shows or series would be better to use everywhere, rather than programme or program...

However I see that program is still used a lot on non-British articles, which I'm not really bothered about, as they're not British.

Just now while looking to see if Anne (2022) had an article, which it does here Anne (British TV series), I noticed when adding the link that it's little description says:

"British TV series or program"

Where can that description be changed, as it doesn't appear in the article itself?

I expected it to be that little description of an article, which is at the top of the page, above the infobox if it has one, but there's nothing there, so where is it? Danstarr69 (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I have overridden the default generated by the infobox and added Template:Use British English. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Danstarr69 and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a fun investigation

Looks like the WP:Short Description is what you're seeing when you see "British TV series or program". The mystery is how it's showing up with no mention of it on the page. Investigating the "pages transcluded onto the current version of this page" for Anne (British TV series) I found that the short description is being populated by the television infobox. Going to that link, you can see that the infobox is auto-adding the short description. viewing the source for that short description shows that it looks like it's populated the "British TV series or program" by itself. So that's where it's coming from.

You can override that default short description by adding {{Short description|Write your short description here}} to the Anne article (preferably at or near the top of the article.

Could bring up on the Television Infobox template's talk page that it'd be nice to have it pick "programme" for non-American english sources. Not sure how annoying that would be to add

SpookyTwenty (talk) 15:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Danstarr. As SpookyTwenty says, it is automatically generated. It would not be a huge edit to Template:Infobox television/Short description to alter it. If you want to pursue this, put a request on Template Talk:Infobox television/Short description (you probably want to tag it with {{edit template-protected}}, or it won't get seen.

On the other hand, you might want to reflect that trying to Americanise everything on here as usual might be a touch over the top, and ask yourself whether it is really an issue to lose your cool over? (I'm English, by the way). ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine yes it's definitely an issue, especially a few years ago, when like I said, they (some of which I see on here a lot) were trying to Americanise everything so it was all the same, mainly with the film and TV categories.

I'm one of those people that most people on the internet hate, as I point out most of the common misspellings and Americanisms I see, mainly on social media, plus on very rare occasions, I'll email the newspapers and TV companies with their mistakes too.

99% of the time, people reply with comments like "Have you got nothing better to do?" and "I'm not writing an essay for an English exam."

You might be, Colin... fine with using Americanisms, but I'm not.

It's ruining the English language! Danstarr69 (talk) 15:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 MOS:ENGVAR has a lot of info on it! Seems like the long-standing policy is to retain existing styles where they're present in an article, so long as the article is consistently using a single English dialect.

From WP:VAR: "When either of two styles are acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change."

You should feel free to reverse those changes when you see them! Particularly if they're modifying an article that has WP:TIES to a certain English dialect.

SpookyTwenty (talk) 17:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 I may not speak for all of my country... but I do speak for myself, and I want to apologize, (why does that word look so wrong?) for anything we've done to upset you... but you can't exactly hate it... I mean, isn't it a branch of your language? I understand where you're coming from though, I constantly find myself looking at American English and thinking "What was going on in our heads?" But for your information... a lot of us forget to respect the way your version is supposed to be. For the most part, it's not on purpose.

Once again, sorry. I know it might not help, but know not all of us are like that. (Fyi I prefer programmes to programs. I don't know why. I don't know why I'm writing this, you probably don't care... ThatADHDperson (talk) 23:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

By the way, there is a helpful gadget for fixing these. Go to Preferences --> Gadgets, and enable "Shortdesc helper". -- asilvering (talk) 00:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Irrelevant discussion now continued at Talk:Bradford Playhouse#History removed from the article.

@ColinFine off topic, but it looks like you're the owner of the Bradford Playhouse. How come you haven't reversed the edits that people have made to it over the years? It has a huge history with famous actors starting their careers there, at Esme Church's Northern Theatre School. It's even had a play written about it. Yet some people have decided to remove all that information about the people who started their careers there, and the Northern Theatre School itself, not that there was much information about them or it on the article to begin with. That type of thing happens with a lot of City of Bradford articles, where people have removed referenced history and facts for no reason. Updating the Bradford Playhouse article has been one of the things which has been on my to-do list for years, but for now, I'm too busy adding and updating 17,000+ Yorkshire productions on IMDB, with other related updates along the way. My editing over the last few days, has been dominated by updating the IMDB profiles of a huge extended family of 20+ filmmakers from New Zealand, as I've seen their common names pop up again and again, when I'm looking for other people with the same names. Most of them had multiple duplicate profiles, however I've since merged most, if not all of them. Those are the type of things I get distracted by every week, as I do it to try and make my Yorkshire editing quicker and easier in future, especially when I know I'm going to be coming across those names again. Danstarr69 (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @Danstarr69 Very likely because Colin has a WP:COI with that article and, very properly, leaves it to others to decide what content is appropriate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC) As Mike has said, I mostly avoid touching that article. I did put a substantial edit request in when I bought the place. If you have reliable sources for the information, I would be delighted if you would add it: all too often they are non-existent or hard to find. ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @ColinFine I've lost 10s of 1000s of pieces of information since 2014 (in the 3 times my laptops have stopped working, the latest of which was in February 2022 when clicking on a Vimeo video, it crashed and completely wiped my hard-drive), mainly films, TV shows, shorts, music videos etc a lot of which don't exist anymore, and will never be seen again. I also had some PDF's (and whatever other files can be read) from things like magazines, where I'm fairly sure at least one of them, talked all about the history of the 1946-1957 Northern Theatre School. I'm not sure if it still exists online, from wherever I got it from, but just having a quick look at Google News search results for "Northern Theatre School" there's 20 articles (19 if you mention Bradford), which mainly consist of obituaries of people who attended. But as we all know not every news article is in the Google News section, as with every Google update, they make their search engine worse. Therefore there's 13 pages which mention the Northern Theatre School on Google (12 if you mention Bradford) containing 119 results to look through. There should be more than enough information in there to give the Northern Theatre School it's own section on the Bradford Playhouse article. It's the main thing I'm bothered about, as there's at least 10 theatre/acting/performing arts schools in Bradford today (not to mention the ones that no longer exist like Bradford's Scala Kids now solely based in Leeds), at least 3 of which are where famous entertainers in film, TV, music and theatre started their career, yet most of which aren't even mentioned on Wikipedia, nevermind have their own articles. Yet the former Northern Theatre School was at least mentioned on the Bradford Playhouse article, until someone removed it. The most significant ones of the top of my head are Stage 84, Matt Zina Acting (formerly the Yorkshire School of Acting. He should've kept the original name, rather than making it about himself), Articulate, Freedom Studios etc (I had the best ones bookmarked until my computer broke, so I've probably forgotten some significant ones), plus the less well known Buttershaw St Paul's Amateur Operatic Dramatic Society (which I nearly forgot), along with whatever is or was based at the Buttershaw Youth Centre (it might have also been the BSPAODS based there too, but I'm not certain) as I can think of a few famous actors who started off at those two tiny acting societies not far from each other. Some of those acting schools have famous actors as permanent or volunteer coaches, who do it when they're not filming stuff for film or TV. Danstarr69 (talk) 18:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC) @Danstarr69, it would be helpful if you took this conversation either to ColinFine's talk page or to the talk page of the article rather than continuing it at the Teahouse, where it is, indeed, rather off topic (and getting quite long). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

What does the abbreviation 'c.q.' mean in articles?

I've just come across the use of the abbreviation 'c.q.' in an article (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism#History) and I'm confused about how to read it. I think it means cadit quaestio, but I'm still puzzled as to what this would read like in long form, as it isn't clear. Any help?—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 12:58, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Ineffablebookkeeper I've never seen that term used until you pointed it out. From the context in the few places where it is used, it seems to be the Latin phrase casu quo, which I'd translate as similar to "in which case" or "also". Since our MOS would encourage reader accessibility (WP:MTAU for example), I think that particular abbreviation should be replaced with an alternative wording. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: thank you! That clears things up a lot. I think I saw it in the article Christology as well, so I'll clean it up there too.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 00:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Author page on Wikipedia?

I am an author of 27 books so far, should I be listed on Wikipedia? If so, how do I go about doing this? Thanks, Oakley Dean Baldwin OakleyDeanBaldwin (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

As well as the general requirement for notability, there are specific criteria at WP:AUTHOR. See also the advice against autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I would be happy to write a stub for you if I'm satisfied that you meet notability guidelines. Then, you would need to follow the instructions at WP:COI and suggest edits on the talk page of the article, rather than make them yourself. However, a very quick check of google scholar and my university library suggests that you don't meet notability guidelines for authors (sorry!). What we're looking for is significant, mainstream press coverage of you and/or of several of your books, or academic work on your books. If you can show that you have received this kind of coverage, please do! Please don't start an article on yourself in any case - this is an exercise in frustration. -- asilvering (talk) 00:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

All (?) of your books appear to have been self-published, which reduces your path to Wikipedi notability. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia rather than social media. David notMD (talk) 01:11, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

If you still intend to attempt an autobio, WP:YFA is a guide to creating a draft. Drafts are then submitted to a reviewer. For biographies of living people, valid refs are required for all facts, so what you know to be true about yourself is not accepted unless someone with no connection to you has written about it. Essential to have references to content about you, as listing your book titles will not confirm notability. David notMD (talk) 02:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Re-size image Infobox

Hi, is there any way that I can resize the images on the comparitive Infoboxes for example on a election page the images of 2 or more candidates look in different size which doesn't look. So is there any way to fix them to bring into same size or am I just supposed to perform trial and error method by putting different size dimensions to the images and check myself?456legend(talk) 03:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC) 456legend(talk) 03:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

katsuki bakugou

who created him 2600:6C51:4BF0:1C0:5E:7690:5FF8:D926 (talk) 03:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Good day, according to the article's infobox, Kōhei Horikoshi created the character. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey IP editor! This question can also be answered at the reference desk, it works as a library reference desk, feel free to ask any questions there as well! Tails Wx 03:24, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Removal of the sandbox header

Some people have sometimes removed the header on the sandbox, and even sometimes replace it with something unconstructive or disruptive to Wikipedia. How come those people don't like, get a warning or something? 68.203.214.96 (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Most editors don't go looking through people's sandboxes. If you find something disruptive to Wikipedia, feel free to report it. GoingBatty (talk) 05:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Ohhhh - are you talking about User:Sandbox for user warnings or User talk:Sandbox for user warnings? If you see vandalism on those pages, feel free to revert it and give a warning on the user's talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 05:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Getting a Wikipedia page correctly indexed by Google Search

Hi! How can I get a page re-indexed so it displays the correct page title (Wētā FX) in a Google search on a mobile device? It works fine on desktop... This is the Wikipedia page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C4%93t%C4%81_FX

On Mobile (Chrome on iPhone) Google displays our OLD brand name Weta Digital. We updated the Wikipedia page with the new name in June 2022.

BluSwedeShu (talk) 00:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

BluSwedeShu, Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing might be helpful. Anything beyond that is outside of Wikipedia's control, as I understand it. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 00:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Throast - I had a good read but couldn't find any mention of why a search result on Chrome in iOS would be any different from a search result in Chrome on Windows and MacOS. And it's not a caching issue either. This happens across different devices. I guess I'll have to go back to not getting a response from Google. ;-) BluSwedeShu (talk) 00:24, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

That is strange indeed. It does seem like more of a Google issue rather than a Wikipedia issue. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 00:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

It does - I was just getting close to the end of my tether. ;-) BluSwedeShu (talk) 01:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@BluSwedeShu: On my iPhone, "Weta Digital" is the title Google gives to a link to https://www.wetafx.co.nz/, not to Wikipedia. The HTML of the page says <meta property="og:title" content="Visual Effects + | Visual Effects + | Wētā FX" />. I'm just speculating here but maybe Google thinks the repeated "Visual Effects" sounds like search engine spam and it makes them avoid the whole meta tag and pull the title from somewhere else, e.g. incoming links from other websites. I assume many of them still use the old name. Anyway, the Teahouse is for Wikipedia issues. Questions about Google with no relation to Wikipedia are better at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that insight - I will bring it up with my (hitherto) stumped website developers. BluSwedeShu (talk) 02:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@BluSwedeShu See common name. "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject". You want the article about Weta Digital (or Weta FX) to be titled in a way that most users won't be able to type? It's a good thing that Wikipedia has redirects, or no one would be able to reach your article. David10244 (talk) 07:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing something... David10244 (talk) 07:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

BluSwedeShu changed a mention in the lead [4] but didn't make the move [5]. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:02, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

The omission of the macrons (in Te Reo Maori, the language our brand name is written in, similar to the logo) changes the meaning of the word. It would be similar to omitting the umlauts in Köln (Cologne). I just tested this and searched for Köln which redirected the query to Cologne. Similarly a search for Wētā FX redirects to Weta FX. Is this what you are referring to? BluSwedeShu (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@BluSwedeShu I mean that it's quite hard for people using a US keyboard to search for Wētā. I predict that US users will mostly search for Weta FX or Weta Digital. David10244 (talk) 05:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait a minute. You say ...displays our OLD brand name Weta Digital. We updated the Wikipedia page.... This "our" and "we" strongly suggests a conflict of interest. To a reasonably good approximation, you should not be editing the article. Rather you should instead be requesting edits on the article's talk page. Oh, and it is an "article" written by others about the topic, not a "page" for social-media public-relations. Please see that WP:COI page. Feline Hymnic (talk) 10:41, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you - I have been advised of this in a private message, have added the Paid disclosure to my user page and will not make any further edits myself. BluSwedeShu (talk) 02:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

That fails MOS:TM in spectacular style. Needs moving. - X201 (talk) 19:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Wētā Workshop likewise. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Throast: I got this one wrong. Sorry. I missed the explanation of the move on the talk page. Although both forms are still used, there's apparently a move in NZ English from Weta to Wētā due to it being a Māori loanword (see Wētā for the full explanation). The version with macrons is also the registered name of the company. - X201 (talk) 09:16, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

See also discussion at Talk:Wētā Workshop#Requested move 9 September 2021. I see no reason why the consensus there should not equally apply to Wētā FX. The use of macrons does not ipso facto constitute stylization. Shells-shells (talk) 09:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Throast, I see that the articles are titled "Weta..." without the macrons. That seems like the right thing to me. Was @BluSwedeShu asking for the title to include the macrons? David10244 (talk) 09:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@David10244: The timeline is: No macrons until September 2021 when they were added after a move discussion. Yesterday I thought it was a MOS:TM issue and throast moved them back to weta (without macrons). - X201 (talk) 10:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Shells-shells, X201, I had a discussion with Skynxnex, who moved the page after the unanimous RM back in September, on my talk page. I reviewed Talk:Weta FX and didn't see discussions or RMs, so I decided to boldly move. I of course neglected to look at Talk:Weta Workshop, so I missed the RM. Sorry for the mess. Anyone feel free to move back and revert. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 10:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Throast Just FYI, I have moved to Wētā FX and Wētā Workshop respectively, and added a note to Talk:Wētā FX. Shells-shells (talk) 20:11, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Unlock request!

Please explain the reason for locking my account. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 11:58, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Karsan Chanda, and welcome to the Teahouse. You are not currently blocked according to your block log. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 12:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Throast: Why is there a lock on my edit button? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 12:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh , this is called protect, please have a read on WP:PROTECT Lemonaka (talk) 12:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda Certain articles are protected. That is not related to your specific account. David10244 (talk) 06:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

re-edited - how do I re-submit

 Courtesy link: Draft:Glow Services Corp

hello , Ive tweaked and changed the draft in answering to your feedback - two questions. How do you re-submit and I cant see a button anywhere for this . I saved the draft but I gather this is not enough , and also one reason for rejection was the board of advisors section. Was mentioned that it's not important to the page, but the board of advisors show that the company comes from a professional background with individuals who are experts in their field. Who better can this be explained within the page.

Hope you can help VoicNoir (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @VoicNoir, welcome to the Teahouse. I have re-added the notice which you deleted while revising, and which contains the resubmission button. Please note the line in that pink box which says: Please do not remove reviewer comments or this notice until the submission is accepted.. 97.113.181.183 (talk) 13:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I understand ,thank you . Can you help regarding the board of advisors - as I feel that these individuals are important to the information as are part of the story of the brand, the thinkers behind it the creative thinking. What best way to address this ? thanks again. 2A00:23C8:CB8:301:1C5F:FF28:18CE:1DF7 (talk) 13:36, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@VoicNoir/IP editor, Wikipedia is primarily interested in what reliable secondary sources have reported about a subject, not what you, I or anyone else believes is important. If secondary sources mentioned the board or the individuals, you would have a much better case for inclusion. Unfortunately, your draft seems to be lacking any sources at all which meet our requirements and demonstrate notability. 97.113.181.183 (talk) 13:43, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

So if an article mentions the board thats independent , then that would help.

Thanks

Vik VoicNoir (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@VoicNoir The names of members of a board of advisors to a company will be fairly meaningless to people reading the article. I suggest leaving that out. (Edit: I see that David notMD said the same thing below. Great minds think alike... ) David10244 (talk) 06:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

The reason that you couldn't see the resubmit button is that you deleted the feedback (including where it said "<!-- Do not remove this line! -->") and comments. Those stay until the draft is accepted, to help you & future reviewers. Another editor has kindly reinstated them for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Readers do not care that there is a Board of Advisors, in part because there is no information about what functions a BOA has. Much of the draf remains unreferenced. David notMD (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Public Works Department of Rajasthan

How are the sources given by me in this article? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:23, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda Welcome to the Teahouse. You have not provided sources in the sense used on Wikipedia. All you have in the draft is a Google scholar search which provides possible sources based on the keywords you have used. It is our job as editors creating articles to evaluate these sources and then paraphrase in our own words the most relevant and reliable of them. Without that, your draft will certainly be declined. Please read WP:REFB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda In addition, a Google scholar search will return different results on different days. References (if they include a URL) must link to an exact Web page. Sources, however, do not have to be online-- but the reference must be detailed enough that a reader could find the exact newspaper, magazine, book, etc. David10244 (talk) 06:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Need help getting a page approved

Hi! I am in the process of creating a page for EPR Iyer, a renowned musician in Kolkata. I have added his discography and several notability citations of articles mentioned about him solely & a few relevant ones where his band is also mentioned. You can see the draft here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:EPR_Iyer . The discography is enough to show how much experienced he is & how much he has done in the past few years of being active, starting from being on national television in India. However, my draft keeps getting declined. It is written in a neutral POV as well. Could you please help me understand the problem & solve it? Loveformusicalcontent (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Loveformusicalcontent, you may want to read WP:GNG for what counts towards notability. As the AfC reviwers have told you, your article (not page) does not have enough of these sources.

It is also promotional. For example, you say He is known for drawing inspiration from both traditional and modern styles of music. Where is the reference where someone said that? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the reply & help. I have made a few edits to the draft and removed redundant lines. To the best of my abilities, this version is a draft that has connection between every line written & the sources are mentioned. Does this look better now or can you suggest me any way I can improve it? Loveformusicalcontent (talk) 15:25, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Loveformusicalcontent Stuff like EPR's passion for emceeing and rapping began in his school days. His work is inspired by legends.... is pure WP:PEACOCK language and an attempt to gain notability-by-inheritance, even if you had a source which said he had been so inspired (which you don't). Try to conform to WP:NPOV and WP:TONE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

hello @Michael D. Turnbull thanks for the input & for redirecting me to WP.PEACOCK. I have removed all such terms from the article and tried to keep it straight, to the point & mention only about EPR. Does this look better now? Loveformusicalcontent (talk) 15:49, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a connection to this musician? I assume you didn't pick him at random to edit about. There is still some non-neutral language in the draft, such as "hailing from Kolkata", it should just say he is from there. 331dot (talk) 15:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Loveformusicalcontent Given that you have uploaded this poster to Commons and stated that it is your own work, it seems clear that you know EPR. The draft is now better but may still not meet the relevant notability guideline. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Loveformusicalcontent You designed that poster yourself? David10244 (talk) 06:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Signature date stamp

Hi, hoping that I am posting in the right section (if this belongs in help desk let me know). I got my signature to my liking but the thing is when I sign with the four tilde the date part, past the talk link doesnt get coloured in. Any way to extend it past that? Koltinn (talk) 20:23, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe so, as the date is not something that you can edit normally unless it's through a userscript or something. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Koltinn I believe that the auto-archiving bots, and probably other automated processes, look for the date/time stamp to do their job. If you try to color the date stamp, you'll probably need a closing html tag after "(UTC)". And that closing tag will likely confuse those bots. David10244 (talk) 07:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

XCF convertion

I've been having lots of trouble lately with trying to find a good method of converting a Gimp XCF file with transparent parts to a Jpeg one that has transparent parts. Is there anything that I'm doing wrong and am I supposed to convert the file to something else to retain the transparency? Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Rugoconites Tenuirugosus, welcome to the Teahouse. This seems to be a general computing question rather than one directly related to using or editing Wikipedia, so you'd probably get better answers if you asked at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, JPG/JPEG images don't support transparency. If you want to keep the transparency, you should be exporting to a PNG. HerrWaus (talk) 20:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus If the image is destined for Wikipedia, there is a graphics group that can help with this type of thing. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name -- someone here should know. David10244 (talk) 06:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I uploaded the picture onto wikipedia yesterday. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

How to review Wikipedia Draft?

Hello everyone I'm interested to learn. How can I review a drft of Wikipedia? Do I qualify for this? Gothamk (talk) 06:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Gothamk, your user talk page suggests a history of unsuccessful rather than successful attempts at creating articles. This impression may be mistaken; so please here point to two or three examples of articles that you've successfully created. -- Hoary (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, I appreciate your reply. I shall grow from my errors. Gothamk (talk) 09:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

You have been active over a year, and have made many useful edits, but I agree with Hoary that you fall short in total number edits and in creating articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions, Participants section for requirements. David notMD (talk) 09:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi David notMDThank you, I'll take note of this. Gothamk (talk) 09:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Page deletion message

Hello

I hope you can help me. I paid American Wikiwriters to create my page on Wikipedia. Their service was a scam from the get go and aside from them just getting the page up there, I had to do most of the work and editing. I have subsequently discovered that wikipedia frowns upon and does not sanction these type of services. Now I've just received an email from them telling me that if I don't act, my page will be deleted in 2 weeks. And by act, I assume that want more money to make sure my page doesn't go away. They have found a way to somehow hold the page hostage by the way they set the whole thing up no doubt. Can anyone help me understand this and how I can free my page from their influence?

I'm sorry I used them, but I certainly don't want my page taken down. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.

Jeff Bihlman

Here is the link to my page:

Jabo Bihlman Billyheimer (talk) 16:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Billyheimer, welcome to the Teahouse. First, please review our rules around editing with a conflict of interest, which are laid out at WP:COI. You should generally stay away from editing the article - instead you can make {{request edit}}s on the talk page. You also need to declare your COI per the page I linked.

The article is not currently nominated for deletion, though it is tagged as having been created for undisclosed payments (and the creator blocked). The question here is whether it demonstrates that the subject meets our notability guidelines (in this case, WP:NMUSIC). There are a number of sources, which is good, though they're of varying quality. Others here may take a closer look at them. I don't think the article is in any immediate danger of deletion - though it would be interesting if the folks you are in contact with tried it, because more of their accounts here would be revealed and probably blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Billyheimer The article has been in mainspace for nearly a year and although it has a COI tag it doesn't look overly promotional in tone and has adequate references. However, you may now have created a Streisand effect that may lead to its being scrutinised more carefully! I would advise that your best course of action is to add additional sources that conform to our requirements, by suggesting them on the Talk Page, using {{edit request}}s. Do NOT edit the article directly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Billyheimer: Hi there! I've reverted/removed much of the information you added without any independent published reliable sources. Feel free to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to suggest improvements to the article - with sources. (Note: It's not correct to describe the article as "my page" - see WP:OWN.) Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Billyheimer. Properly disclosed ethical paid editing is permitted as long as the edits comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Undisclosed paid editing is inherently a policy violation from the beginning and such unethical people routinely violate other policies and guidelines, and lie to their clients. Clearly, this operation is in that second group. The article was created by a sockpuppet account set up to deceive, and that account is connected to a massive network of other blocked sockpuppet accounts. I recommend that you forward all relevant emails to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org. Cullen328 (talk) 17:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Billyheimer: another point in addition to the good advice above: there is no shame in using the services of paid editors. You should, however, avoid the ones that are scams. Some (as here) are specialized Wikipedia "sock farms" that rotate new accounts to try to fly under the radar with their poor edits, and most of what they create is reverted or deleted within a year; some are general PR firms that think they can write a "profile in Wikipedia" as if they were writing on the company website; and some are actually competent.

A good test is to ask them for their account name and check it at Special:Contributions - if the account has existed for a long time, properly discloses their paid-editor status, and is not blocked, there is a good chance that it is one of the (few) reputable ones. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 17:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

A cursory glance shows at least 5 sources fail verification and one is a dead link. Theroadislong (talk) 17:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Their claim that the page will be deleted within two weeks if you don't pay them is no more credible than any of their previous claims. It may be deleted (I don't know, I haven't even looked at it), but it won't be their doing. They're just trying to extract a few more dollars from a failed project. Maproom (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) To return to the threat of deletion - the creator has no power to delete the article, and actually, the account it was created with has been blocked. Best they could do is start a new account and start an Articles for deletion process. AfDs go on for a week or two, and then an Administrator makes a decision. Given that the article is about you (well, you saying it is), the path is for you to declare your COI and make recommendations on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 19:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I presume that this is "American Wiki Writers". Here's what they say about themselves: Our main goal is to upsurge and shape your brand's online discernibility using our best skills and knowledge for you. Our Wikipedia writing facilities are complete and can be tailored to any of your needs. In agreement with Wikipedia's writing morals, our team of expert Wikipedia writers can provide Wikipedia page-building services to both creations and businesses. Particularly in the book of Wikipedia pages for businesses of all kinds, at American Wiki Writers, we distinguish their page from the millions of pages of the most potent encyclopedia in the world. For people claiming to be American writers, their prose seems peculiarly (and rather hilariously) incompetent. -- Hoary (talk) 23:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

As soon as you go to their website, a chat window opens with someone asking if you want to create a Wikipedia article. It's a very professional looking site and it would seem the WMF would be interested in looking into it if they haven't already done so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Pffft. This "very professional looking site", Marchjuly, starts off with that glorious cliché of corporate image publicity for institutions that have nothing to show: a stock photo of young persons delightedly crowding around and staring at a single computer screen. Yes, its employee "David" said "Hi there" to me, and then asked how he might help. I was tempted to make a tart suggestion for his company, but I supposed that it would be too early in the day in Bengaluru or wherever it was for a human to be there, and thus that "David" would just be Siri or similar. Incidentally, Google brings to my attention some rival outfit that calls itself the "Wikipedia Federation", a choice of name that does seem rather brazen. -- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I just meant the website looks professional in the sense that I could understand people unfamiliar with Wikipedia who want Wikipedia articles created being duped into believing what the website seems to promise. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:35, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary "Upsurge", I like that! I may start using it, if I can figure out what it means. American, eh? Hmmmm.... David10244 (talk) 06:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Don't just be a user, David10244. No point talking the talk if you don't also walk the walk. Upsurge your brand's discernibility; do it today. (Obvious first steps: (i) Lots of userboxes; (ii) Gimmicky signature.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Marchjuly, Hoary, David10244, Billyheimer FYI - the American Wikiwriters website has a handful of five star rated thanks from people for article creation/improvement, but as best I can see, no articles exist for those names. I would think a legit service would list articles created (with the creating editor having declared PAID). David notMD (talk) 09:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

How to make a infobox in wikipedia Page

And I want a help to review my article Dreamzzimages (talk) 10:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Infoboxes are just templates that get filled in with the required information. There are loads of them. If however you're talking about creating one from scratch, that's a whole different ball game. What article are you referring to? - X201 (talk) 10:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

hi @Dreamzzimages and welcome to the Teahouse! what is the infobox for (is it for a person, animal, place, thing, organization, event, or something else?) you may paste an infobox by checking the list linked above for the infobox best suited for your subject (for example, a scientist's article would use {{Infobox scientist}}), then clicking on the Insert a template button in the editor (the puzzle piece icon) and filling the fields in the popup menu.

in addition, you seem to not have any edits under your name apart from posting here. perhaps you haven't published your draft for review or editing yet? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Is miner in clash royale OP?

 Erixosh (talk) 11:45, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

is Miner OP? Erixosh (talk) 11:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

 Note: folded two sections together

hi @Erixosh: and welcome to the Teahouse! this is a place for Wikipedia-related questions. you may find more luck asking this question in a dedicated Clash Royale thread like /r/ClashRoyale, or check about the Miner in the Fandom-hosted Clash Royale wiki. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 11:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Sexualised content

Why does sexualised content get a platform here, yet so many worthy articles get rejected? What sort of precedence are you setting for our future selves? Do you understand the danger involved in the normalisation of degrading sexual content online? Get rid of it all NOW 2A00:23C6:B582:8501:A1DB:1DF6:6E49:BABC (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Wikipedia is not censored for any reason, as this is a project to write an encyclopedia of human knowledge. If certain content offends you, you shouldn't look at it. 331dot (talk) 11:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe it's even possible to suddenly backpedal on that and "sanitize" Wikipedia to remove the inconsistently defined content that IP mentioned, especially when there are articles on things like sex poses, those three organs that are used to dispose of unwanted bodily fluids, and 177013.

If that somehow happened, that would be entirely too much work down the drain to satisfy a single vocal minority of people that want the world to cater to them, which would probably be a violation of WP:NPOV.

Plus, the wording (presenting the existence of sexual content in this reality as normalizing completely unrelated behavior) and subsequent blanking of the Teahouse really makes this look like an attempt at trolling, which... I suppose would be better than genuinely wanting Wikipedia to be kid-friendly. cogsan (talk) 13:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, if you had named the article in question we could have checked it for vandalism. (Edit: I'm assuming Belle Delphine is the article in question.)- X201 (talk) 11:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Personal attacks, like calling me scum, are not permitted. I can't speak to specific content that I am not aware of, you made a general statement. 331dot (talk) 11:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Starting an Articles for deletion is a valid path to have an article deleted. Calling for an article to be deleted on the Talk page of the article accomplishes nothing. David notMD (talk) 14:16, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

If you don't like what you see, don't visit the article. If you are curious about something though, you can visit another website if you wish not to see anything distrubing or learn how to hide certain images. Anything on Wikipedia is fair game and legal. Cwater1 (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait, if you didn't like what the person had to say, why did you read it? Herostratus (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia is a place for human knowledge, no matter how degrading or inappropriate you think it is. if you dont like it, dont look at it. its that simple. ogusokumushi^{talk 2 me!} 14:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

:: Deleting does not do any good. It will likely be reverted back. The is the door if you do not want to see something in the article. Cwater1 (talk) 17:52, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Why you little scallywag. Who authorized you to make people feel unwelcome. And this is a teahouse not a dive bar. Behave yourself. Herostratus (talk) 07:04, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for talking that way. I will try to do better in the future. Cwater1 (talk) 14:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I mean, this IS wikipedia. You don't HAVE to click on an article that may offend you? OptimizeAllTheThings (talk) 11:34, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

That is true, @OptimizeAllTheThings. You can also hide certain images instead. See Help:Options to hide an image. Cwater1 (talk) 14:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Error while installing a script

I tried to install User:Evad37/rater as I finds it very difficult to manually assess the articles. But something error showed up. I don't know how to use this. I'm also seeing this;Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content capable of compromising your account. What's happening? Can somebody please explain? Thilsebatti (talk) 04:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Thilsebatti: Welcome to the Teahouse! The "Code that you insert on this page..." message isn't an "error" - just an important message. I enjoy using the rater script and hope you do too. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Goingbatty: Can you just tell me how to use this correctly? Thilsebatti (talk) 05:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Thilsebatti: Please follow the instructions at User:Evad37/rater#Installation, and confidently ignore the "Code that you insert on this page..." knowing that you're using code that has been used by others. GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

hi

hello 2604:4C40:3001:FD97:6005:BA9B:5AAB:9957 (talk) 22:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour ! ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Did you close Wikipedia? Anyway, hello. =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 22:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

こんにちは ! Did you have a question to ask or did you just want to say hi? Regardless, welcome! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

May You help me to create a article for Madhyanchal Professional University ?

Hello Dear, May You help me to create a article for Madhyanchal Professional University ? Shyamalogic (talk) 09:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Madhyanchal Professional University has twice been rejected (not merely declined), the most recent being only yesterday, meaning that the subject is not sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article, so it is not worth making further attempts. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying me. may i ask for New Page creation of Madhyanchal Professional University ? Shyamalogic (talk) 09:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shyamalogic, rejection means no. you may not create another article for Madhyanchal Professional University, under that name or another. 💜  melecie  talk - 10:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

May you give me one another chance Please. i will correct the all my mistake Shyamalogic (talk) 10:11, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

User has recreated it here Draft:Madhyanchal Professional University MPU. Theroadislong (talk) 10:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank You so Much dear. Shyamalogic (talk) 10:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

why this page is live - Sage University with advirtisement Shyamalogic (talk) 11:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

 Note: moved to the section for their previous question, previously was under #How to make a infobox in wikipedia Page

@Shyamalogic, this article has been tagged by Theroadislong for notability issues, and may end up being deleted or trimmed back into being a stub (which is discouraged especially for drafts, but preferable to outright deletion) if it is not improved. just because other articles exist that break guidelines does not mean you're allowed to break those same guidelines. 💜  melecie  talk - 11:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Separately, Shyamalogic, most English speakers find it very odd indeed when a stranger addresses them as "dear". There is an old convention of starting a letter with "Dear [name]" or "Dear Sir", but not "Dear" on its own. and few people follow that custom online. --ColinFine (talk) 13:57, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Shyamalogic (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Merging drafts

Hello, I just came across this draft Draft:Hitpig (film) even though there is a established draft of the same film at Draft:Hitpig, where do I solicit for both drafts to be merged? -Gouleg🛋️ ^harass/_hound (she/her) 14:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok just realized the first draft was made by a blocked IP and that its also full of wrong info (namely adding credits from another film to this one) so I have to know who or what needs to be done to have the earlier draft deleted -Gouleg🛋️ ^harass/_hound (she/her) 14:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

No need really, since if it's never edited it will eventually expire. -- asilvering (talk) 15:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Fixing Citation Overkill

Stumbled upon 2015 Kano State gubernatorial election and tried to fix the citation overkill on the page. When I got to publishing the changes, I was stopped by the blanking filter. Is there anything I can do? tla 05:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by blanking filter (the article shows no edits by you), but that is the worst example of citation overkill (306 refs for an election) that I have ever seen. The editor who did all that was taken to task on his Talk page, and appears to have stopped doing that. David notMD (talk) 08:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I reduced it to 145 refs by leaving just one ref each for many of the sentences. You should be able to continue. David notMD (talk) 09:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, should I have done it with multiple smaller edits?

It was saying "Please do not remove all the text of Wikipedia pages. The resulting blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they confuse readers."

Thanks for the help! tla 11:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I suspect it may also have something to do with the fact that you are a new user with a low edit count - I'm pretty sure I tripped that filter when I was new, too, also for removing text with perfectly legitimate reasons. Since most of that kind of action from new accounts is vandalism, some filters and reverting editors can get a bit jumpy. -- asilvering (talk) 15:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Article: Chhota Shakeel

I had made an edit which I thought was very definitive but some had another opinion and just reverted it. Please take a look at his message Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Chhota Shakeel—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 11:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[[ reply] Edwardblakes (talk) 14:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@edwardblakes: edits being reverted are common on wikipedia.

it seems that you're trying to say that the subject has been confirmed to be dead. this is a controversial change and so should be discussed on the talk page of the article. lettherebedarklight晚安 15:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Pronouns for genderfluid people?

Which pronouns should be used to refer to a genderfluid person in an article? Grimmchild, Talk 09:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Grimmchild: The pronouns the person themselves uses, unless they are neopronouns, in which case we default to singular they. See MOS:NB and MOS:NEOPRONOUN. Is there a particular case you have in mind? —Kusma (talk) 09:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Simply that it may be confusing to a reader to use different pronouns to refer to the same person throughout an article (I'm reminded of a comic where an ally said "HE is valid, you should be nice to HER, respect THEIR pronouns"). Grimmchild, Talk 10:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

If there's a likelihood of confusion, the article should possibly say explicitly (and ideally with a citation) what pronouns the person prefers. ColinFine (talk) 13:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

In my experience, where an individual has stated that they use multiple sets of pronouns, Wikipedia generally picks one of those to use in the article rather than changing between them, precisely because using different sets of pronouns to refer to the same person has more potential for causing confusion. Is there a particular article you are concerned about? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Are there any countries without a Wikipedia page?

I've been thinking. There are over 197 countries, and I want to know if any don't have a page yet or have a page that needs work. I've been doing clean-ups and also have looked at my homepage time and time again... but can't find anything. ThatADHDperson (talk) 21:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

This isn't what you asked, but sometimes when I'm struggling to find something to do on Wikipedia I like to hit the random article button and make one solid improvement before moving on to the next article. ShaveKongo (talk) 21:56, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Sounds fun, I'll have to try it. :) ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

And quick question. What does edit interlanguage links do? ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I have never used that button before, but based on WP:ILL I do believe that is how you edit the equivalent page in another language.ShaveKongo (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, might have to try that out... perhaps in French... (I speak French as a second language). ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Just joking ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not clear what you were or are joking about, ThatADHDperson. Anyway, if your ability in a given language is very limited, please do not attempt to translate from that language (even if you depend largely or completely on software for the translation). -- Hoary (talk) 01:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thats what I was joking about... I'm not going to translate anything until I can fluently speak, write and understand the language to the degree needed. ThatADHDperson (talk) 17:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Once you become and extended user you will love WP:CXT. You will be able to quickly translate articles from one language to another. Lots of articles only exist in one language ShaveKongo (talk) 22:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey, only 22 days to go! I think... ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Warning that CXT makes lots of errors converting templates from French. I strongly suggest that you do not publish your translations to mainspace directly, but to userspace instead, so you can fix these errors before moving the article to main. Otherwise, you will just annoy the new page patrollers. Also, don't translate articles without checking the sources yourself to make sure that they have been correctly represented in the text. A lot of misinformation makes it onto en-wiki through accidentally poor translation or simply by copying errors that no one noticed in the origin language. -- asilvering (talk) 00:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

"Edit interlanguage links", ThatADHDperson, takes you to the Wikidata entry for the subject, and specifically to the part of the entry where there is, are, or could be links to Wikipedia articles on the subject in one or more languages. Please take the trouble to familiarize yourself with Wikidata, at least slightly, before you attempt this. (As a pretty random example: the Wikidata record for the US broadcaster MSNBC.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Bonus warning: Wikidata propagates across the web extremely quickly. I once made a typo in an article subject's name and was horrified to find that it had already made it to the national library catalogues of both France and Germany before I could fix it. Once there, it persisted for quite some time. As a fellow ADHDer... well, I urge caution, to avoid heart attacks. Read each wikidata edit you're about to make out loud, if that helps. -- asilvering (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! And oop... I'll be sure to watch out for that 0>0 ThatADHDperson (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThatADHDperson: Welcome to the Teahouse! You might be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries and this cleanup list showing country articles that need work. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Moved Draft:Move/Mcdo to Mcdo

@Tails Wx move it pls 112.206.207.16 (talk) 06:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Move/Mcdo redirects to McDonald's. Mcdo redirects to McDonald's. Why do you want Draft:Move/Mcdo moved to Mcdo? -- Hoary (talk) 07:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary "McDo" is slang for McDonald's in the Philippines, like (inexplicably) Macca's is for Aussies.

Incidentally, I realize that Mcdo is redlinked and thus looks as if it will return no more than The page "Mcdo" does not exist. You can create a draft and submit it for review, or you may create the page "McDo" directly. However, it's instead interpreted as McDo, which redirects to McDonald's. -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I have 2 links in simple wiki SM City Sorsogon and [simple:SM City Sorsogon] and [simple:Mcdo] 112.206.207.16 (talk) 06:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If this is a question about Simple English Wikipedia, then please rephrase it more lucidly and ask it there. If (or so far as) it is about this Wikipedia, then please rephrase it more lucidly and ask it here. -- Hoary (talk) 09:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Do questions/comments/posts have to be formal?

While looking through the Teahouse, I see a lot of different writing styles from non-formal to super-formal. I have always assumed comments must be formal and grammatically correct or it will.. break a rule of some sort? I'm not sure. Cinnacat (talk) 07:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no requirement that questions here have to be formal, the Teahouse hosts are generally adaptive to the situation. Generally speaking, we are also capable of interpreting what could have been meant for minor gramatical errors, though if a question is in a mayor way or totally incomprehensible we cannot answer it. 07:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat Note that Wikipedia does have an extensive manual of style for its articles but on Talk Pages (including the help pages) informality is fine, provided you are clear and don't make personal attacks relating to other editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat: No. Neocorelight (Talk) 12:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a relaxed and informal place, but you should always remember to ask people what their pronouns are before you start a conversation with them. It demonstrates that you care about and value them on the basis of their gender. Dinglepincter (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dinglepincter: There is no need to ask people what their pronouns are, and I would be quite suspicious if someone wanted to value others on the basis of their gender. If this is something that people care about, they can clear that up easily by going to Preferences → User profile → Internationalisation and selecting the radio button that best fits them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnacat As the Teahouse is not a public-facing article but part of operations "behind the scenes" so to speak, it doesn't demand the formality an article would (although civility is expected). The variation you have noticed is largely down to individual styles and even varying moods, and perhaps also to whom a particular reply might be addressed (as some of us have been here for years and have got to know each others' on-Wiki personalities). I myself tend to write rather formally, simply because when I'm writing (as opposed to speaking) it's how I think – I can write more informally, or adopt various other stylistic characteristics if they're required (I used to write non-fiction copy professionally) but it takes conscious effort. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 05:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Creating page

I want to create a page for my teacher, kindly provide a benchmark to help me get started. Hafiz AALC (talk) 09:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hafiz AALC Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't have "pages" here, we have articles. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that you first spend much time editing existing articles, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.

It's nice that you want to write about your teacher, but Wikipedia is not a place where people can be included just because they exist; there is criteria for inclusion, which we call notability, such as our special definition of a notable person. A person merits a Wikipedia article if they receive sigificant coverage in independent reliable sources, showing how they meet that definition. If you have at least three independent reliable sources that discuss the sigificance or importance of your teacher, you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by independent editors. What sources do you have? 331dot (talk) 10:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank You, for this humble piece of advice, i have the independent reliable sources and he can qualify the definition of notability as well. Hafiz AALC (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

What sources do you have? (Three is sufficient) 331dot (talk) 10:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

userpage

Hi, this might be very odd to ask but can you people ping me here if your user page on Wikipedia is impressive. I would like to develop my user page too by taking some insights from fellow users/contributors. Thank you. 456legend(talk) 10:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

456legend "Impressive" is a matter of opinion, is there certain criteria you are looking for? 331dot (talk) 10:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@331dot Oh yes you are right. I am just looking for any template or something that helps me to be precise in what I contribute on Wikipedia instead of writing it on my own. 456legend(talk) 10:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

456legend, I am not Epicgenius. Indeed, I am nothing like Epicgenius. But it's a fine user page, particularly because it invites the curious reader to the subpage User:Epicgenius/Quality article contributions, which shows that Epicgenius contributes enormously to the creation of an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Your "List of data visualization created" is pretty but not useful, as neither the map images nor the map titles link to the article in question. Plus, one has to scroll to the right to see all - not an obvious action. Consider instead having a list with no images that for each entry states Election results map at [[ ]]. David notMD (talk) 12:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Eh? -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh got it thank you. 456legend(talk) 13:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@456legend You might want to look at WP:UBX for ideas but bear in mind that you will contribute to the Project much more by editing in article space than on your User Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Yes I agree and assure you on this that I will contribute more on the Wikipedia main space articles. I just wanted to arrange my userspace in a organised manner. Thank you very much for the guidance. 456legend(talk) 13:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I want to write an article

Where can I write the article? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Not on your user page, this was deleted. Your draft can be edited here Draft:Rezaul Islam Shamim it has zero sources, so please do not submit for review yet. Theroadislong (talk) 12:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@RezaulIslamShamim Newcomers are advised to use the WP:AfC process (click link for instructions), perhaps after reading WP:YFA and WP:BACKWARD, assuming you want to work on another new article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Can I write a sandbox? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@RezaulIslamShamim Yes, by all means. Your standard sandbox is at User:RezaulIslamShamim/sandbox, which you have already used and can re-edit to move on to a new draft OR you can create more personal sandboxes: see H:SANDBOX. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) A Sandbox is what is done before converting it to a draft and then submitting. This is already a draft. What you could do in your Sandbox is work on properly formatting references, which you can then paste into the draft. If you have another topic in mind, use WP:YFA to create another draft. The point about WP:BACKWARD is that it is better to start with collecting references and then creating the draft. Otherwise, ESPECIALLY FOR AUTOBIOGRAPHIES, a lot of content is added based on what a person knows to be true about themself, but cannot be verified by a ref. David notMD (talk) 12:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

That means I need to use enough references to publish my article. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

See List of Bangladeshi poets for examples of dozens of articles about Bangladeshi poets. Within that list, on the article Talk pages, articles rated C-class or B-class are of higher quality than Stubs and Starts. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I want to create an article like this. Can you help me create such an article? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I edited your draft to be in compliance with Wikipedia format, but in general, Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not be coauthors. Your next big step is to find references for what people have written about you and your work, for references. You already have quotes from people about your poetry books - each of those must become referenced. See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to format references. Refs do not have to be in English. David notMD (talk) 13:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you for your help.

Do I add my references sandbox? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Can I add all of my references in sandbox, sir. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Delete what is in your Sandbox now (old version of the draft) and use that space to practice creating refs before copying each ref into the appropriate place in the draft. David notMD (talk) 14:43, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I already add ten plus reference in draft box, please see my draft . After see, please give me suggestion ,next step what i do ? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 15:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

There are paragraphs without references. Any quotations by book reviewers need to be either referenced or deleted. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I have added numerous references and tried to add references in every paragraph. Please check my draft and inform me- Please confirm that the references I have used are sufficient to publish this article. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 06:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@RezaulIslamShamim: You are doing a good job adding references, but there are unsubstantiated claims in there. I have not examined all of the sources because they are not in English and it takes some steps to get them translated, but some of the sources seem to be low quality or editorial/opinion pieces; please see Wikipedia:Golden rule to learn what is expected.

The tone is also not neutral. While the section on criticism seems like an attempt at balance, overall the draft appears as if it was written to praise the subject rather than write neutrally. This is why autobiographies are discouraged; it is hard to write in a neutral fashion when you are the subject. Adjectives such as "famous" writer and "leading" university/critic/playwright are nothing more than unsubstantiated puffery violating the WP:NPOV policy. Describing the style of poetry seems also to be unsubstantiated and unreferenced; subjective opinion is stated as fact in Wikipedia's narrative voice without attributing that opinion to a source. The article would never be approved for publication in its present state. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Can you edited my article for approved it. Please help me for published this article. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 07:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Lots of reference added . Please check my draft and give me suggestion how i can published. RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 21:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Please response... RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 06:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

This may help. Help:Your first article. Cwater1 (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Already I created an Article in Draft Box . Please review it and give me suggestion how i can improved it or published? RezaulIslamShamim (talk) 12:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

How can I get my draft, Irvin Charles published?

AngusWOOF said that I needed news coverage that Draft:Irvin Charles played in the New York Jets' Week 18 game against the Miami Dolphins. How could you guys help me find something? Here's a link to the page and section Draft:Irvin_Charles (page) Draft:Irvin_Charles#New_York_Jets (section) Coltosubuckeye (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Burden is on you to find a ref that he actually played in game 18. David notMD (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Why was this declined? Seems fine. OptimizeAllTheThings (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Whats 1+1

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

This discussion has obviously run its course, and then some. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:58, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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Help me PersonalNarwhal74 (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@PersonalNarwhal74 Hello, welcome to the teahouse, for calculating something, please use calculator. Lemonaka (talk) 15:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:AIVed, you are clearly not here to build. Lemonaka (talk) 15:20, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

This person has been banned as he was not here to build an encyclopedia. Waylon111 (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

In other words, blocked indefinitely. "Banned" is used for another term; see WP:BANNED. Tails Wx 17:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

would it not have been smarter to just answer his question?

I feel like that was a bit of a overstretch i understand his was making a joke but

Indefinitely? I feel like a couple days is enough Bubless1421 (talk) 02:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Bubless1421, FYI:Special:Contributions/PersonalNarwhal74, Clearly trolling. Lemonaka (talk) 02:18, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

for real like?? that just seems excessive.. ogusokumushi^{talk 2 me!} 14:36, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Not really a necessary question but the answer is 2.Cwater1 (talk) 14:40, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1 I am sure that anyone who manages to ask a question here at the Teahouse, being able to use a computer or other device, already knows ths answer. David10244 (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Why talk about 1+1, it's obviously 2! JDBOI (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How to wrap the Find sources template into the Talk header box?

For example on this Talk Page: Talk:Kevin_Noble_Maillard the text at top "Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · TWL" isn't wrapped into the other boxes.

Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell The template {{talk header}} already includes the template {{find sources}}. Hence when you added both in this edit, you inadvertently created two sets of these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Ohhh thank you! JohnRussell (talk) 03:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I get people to help improve my draft?

I have a draft (Draft:Half Life Alyx But The Gnome Is Too Aware) and I was wondering how I can get more people to improve my draft before I submit it. Waylon111 (talk) 17:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best person to improve your draft is you. If you need specific help, please ask. You will need to obtain and summarize independent reliable sources that show that this web show meets the special Wikipedia definition of notable web content; the draft does not do that currently. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 17:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Deleting redirects after moving a page

Hello! I've just moved an article I originally created as a personal sub-page to the mainspace, since the subject should have fulfilled WP:GNG. However, both the original sub-page and its talk page remained as redirect, as I expected.

If needed, can I delete them by myself, or should I ask an admin to do it (I'm just an autoconfirmed user at the moment)?

Oltrepier (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you can ask for deletion as per WP:RDELETE. Epifanove^🗯️ 21:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Epifanove Perfect, thank you for helping! : ) Oltrepier (talk) 21:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries, good day Epifanove^🗯️ 21:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@Oltrepier: You should just add {{Db-u1}} at the top of each page. As an admin, I could just delete them now, per your implied request here, but the process is more transparent if you explicitly request deletion on the pages themselves. Deor (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Deor Oh, ok, thank you for the advice. Oltrepier (talk) 20:20, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Lack of good sources, need advice...

How do I gather good sources on something that doesn't have much on it? There's no articles or studies done on voidpunk (the subculture). There's only Tumblr (where it was created), Reddit, and the a brief mention of it on this dating site named Taimi. Is there anything that can be done? AVoidDweller (talk) 19:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If there are enough sources about a topic, the quantity of sources can effectively compensate for lack of coverage in news sources or academic papers and books. This is because a lot of people wouldn’t be saying something if it wasn’t correct. Just make sure your reference list is really long and you should be fine. Dinglepincter (talk) 21:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

ETA: voidpunk is a punk subculture that was created online on 2018 (incase this info is relevant) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVoidDweller (talk • contribs) 19:39, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AVoidDweller. If significant coverage of the topic in reliable, independent sources does not exist, then it is impossible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article about the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:42 is an essay that expands on what I have said. Cullen328 (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Dinglepincter's advice is wrong. For refs, quality is much more important than quantity. A few reliable source references which have at-length content, i.e., not just mention in passing, will be sufficient. If you cannot find, may be just too soon for an article. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Possible ref: https://taimi.com/wiki/voidpunk-what-is-it-what-does-it-mean#:~:text=Voidpunk%20is%20a%20subculture%20within,aim%20to%20reclaim%20their%20dehumanization. David notMD (talk) 21:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

If creating an article feels daunting (as it should), consider adding a referenced section at Punk ideologies. The article can be done later. David notMD (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

That seems to be a wiki David. Most wikis are user-generated without strong editorial control, and so are not reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah. I missed that. David notMD (talk) 03:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes I referenced that too so I could have another source other than tumblr or reddit. Also, the reason I was creating the article was also so it was easier to find voidpunk, so more people are aware of it. Which in turn generates more sources. I dont think its too soon to have a wiki article in full honesty. Especially considering over 20,000 people identify with voidpunk. I wish it was coined on a platform that was considered a reliable source, but it wasn't, it was created on Tumblr.

Is there a way to create another reliable source appropriate for the wiki? What can I do and where can I go for something like this? AVoidDweller (talk) 02:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello again AVoidDweller. As far as I can see, it is never possible to create a reliable source. What you need to do is to find a reliable source - one with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. And it may be simply WP:TOOSOON. Various properties of the world of social media make it perfectly possible for something to be watched or followed by millions of people, and still not (yet) meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - only when scholarly or edited media start taking note of it will the required sources exist. ColinFine (talk) 20:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Ice cubes

why is store bought ice cubes clear , but house refrigerators ice cubes are cloudy ? 2601:83:8102:FFC0:E8AD:FC1:4222:B8D6 (talk) 23:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to a page about the use of Wikipedia. Your question about ice cubes isn't a question about Wikipedia; it's frequently asked, and its answer is easy to find if you use Google or similar. -- Hoary (talk) 01:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You can find your answer at Ice cube#Clear and cloudy. GoingBatty (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Interesting Cwater1 (talk) 06:40, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Privacy question

I would like to request removal/replacement of the name of a band member from a Wikipedia page of a music group, who is no longer using that name for privacy reasons and also attempts have been made to make all mentions of it removed from the internet. There are no proper citations for it, but currently the info is available in an archived version and the page is using this version as a citation.The said person has a pseudo name that he is using. I also don't want this info to be public. What would be the proper way to request this? I would be requesting this on the person's behalf, so these are his wishes. Brotherlouie1 (talk) 04:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

You will need to discuss this on the articles talk page here Talk:The Red Paintings where there is already a considerable amount of back and forth. Theroadislong (talk) 08:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

It is my understanding that you can ask Wikimedia Foundation to remove certain information that is private (i.s. D.O,B or other private information) which are not publicly available for privacy reason. I just do not know how this is done. So I am asking for instructions. The Talk page is not the best place, because there is a troll that has been arguing against it and his arguments are based on non-existent citations. He is saying that citations existed before. Is there an admin that can review this kind of thing? Brotherlouie1 (talk) 09:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Brotherlouie1, don’t accuse other editors of being "trolls" using "arguments based on non-existent citations". Give names and diffs of the behavior on the proper venue (WP:ANI possibly), or avoid the insinuations altogether.

With that out of the way, you are probably confused about the way things work. The Wikimedia Foundation pays the bills and hosts the servers, but they intervene exceedingly rarely in the content of the encyclopedia - don’t bother asking them unless you have started legal proceedings.

The thing you want to ask is revision deletion. This can be done by administrators, but pay attention that those are just fellow editors; they have more technical abilities, but no additional weight in editorial matters. If there is significant back-and-forth at the talk page (and to be honest I did not read it all), a cold-headed admin is unlikely to just grant revdel (an exceptional measure) without a strong reason. (If one admin refuses to revdel, do not go ask another one.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 17:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Copy and Pasting Text from Website and Annual/Audit Reports of a charity

I saw a page of a charity I support on Wikipedia (Human Relief Foundation) and saw it had limited information on it. So, I added a section on Vision and Mission Statement from information available on its website and annual report submitted on the charity commission website. However, Wikipedia deleted it citing copyright issues. Question is: You can't rewrite an organization's vision/mission statements, you lose the essence. What should be the solution to this, please share your feedback. Thank you all! Reunderstandinghistory (talk) 06:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

You can add it as a quotation with attribution, but generally including a mission statement comes across as promotional. It is better to state in neutral prose what the organization actually does regardless of what the mission statement says. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree that's a better idea. Thank you so much for your advice, it will help me to improve my contributions. Reunderstandinghistory (talk) 07:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Reunderstandinghistory: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1181. The encyclopedia primarily focuses on secondary, independent sources. While primary sourced-information can be used in some cases, taking it verbatim from a site runs afoul of copyright violations, unless the site uses an appropriate licence. The addition of such information can also come off as promotional, which is not what the encyclopedia is for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I think I will follow the advice given here by you two. Rather than copying and pasting texts, I would focus on rewriting to explain the work in own words and then cite references to back the statements. However, I still believe there should be some room in Wikipedia to mention texts such as vision and mission statements verbatim and should not classify doing this as 'promotional'. Reunderstandinghistory (talk) 07:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Reunderstandinghistory Some, but: The WP-philosophy is that any article about an organization you find here should, almost exclusively, be a summary of what WP:RS, independent of the org, has said about it. Some WP:ABOUTSELF (see also MOS:QUOTE) can be appropriate, but afaict you added a somewhat large block of it to a rather short article, which is a WP:ABOUTSELF problem. The org:s website is usually found under "External links", and what the org wants to say about itself can be found there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Reunderstandinghistory, I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Avoid mission statements. Cullen328 (talk) 17:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia, how can you not love it? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

my question

Hello, how can I make an article? I create the page in the help page, but it is locked, what should I do? Mohammad.Hosein.J.Shia (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

You can create one with the Article Wizard.

Make sure you consult various wikipedia policies such as style, and 5 pillars.

Good luck! Epifanove^🗯️ 11:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

The first thing you should do, Mohammad.Hosein.J.Shia, is familiarize yourself with existing articles in the subject areas that interest you. First, look at the good ones. For maths, try some of these. Then look at the poorer articles in your subject areas (that's most of them). Choose one that needs improvement, and improve it. After a couple of months of this kind of work, consider creating an article afresh. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Everybody suggests this but I feel like it can be disheartening for some new users. Wikipedia:Be bold, if they came to create an article, then why not? They can look at examples and read some policies, they don't necessarily need a couple months of small edits. Epifanove^🗯️ 12:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Writing an article without knowing that WP:N, WP:CITE etc is mandatory and then having it deleted, is also disheartening. And time consuming for more than one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Sure it is, which is why you read some examples and consult the policies. This doesn't mean that one should spend months doing other things that one may not like to do.
P.S. not trying to start a debate or anything, I just think one should be bold. Epifanove^🗯️ 13:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

They can be bold, but more often than not their work isn't up to standard, which leads to deletions, draftification, or drafts being declined. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

To be fair, if someone isn't able to figure out how to create an article on their own, it is likely that their first attempt at writing it won't be great, and the advice given by Hoary is therefore relevant. Epifanove^🗯️ 17:02, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Ergo, the advice that the editors here are giving. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Yup Epifanove^🗯️ 17:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Language

How do you order languages in infobox film and in filmography tables (when films are multi-language)?

In filmography, how do you order films when two films release on the same date? DareshMohan (talk) 11:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

For multi-language films, put the primary language first. Otherwise alphabetical arrangement would be the logical way, though this is occurrence so rare that it doesn't much matter. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira: In the filmography table for Sachiin J. Joshi for Veedevadu, Tamil is listed first although Telugu is the primary language (my edit was reverted). Given that we see the actors mouthing dialogues in Telugu half the time — only the shots involving Sathish (as Sathya’s friend), Kishore and Prabhu seem to be entirely in Tamil — and the two leads’ voices are dubbed, it also gives us the feel of watching a dubbed film. 1. DareshMohan (talk) 00:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I move an article from sandbox to Wikipedia?

Sandbox: Bonna Talukder how do i move this article?

Partha Chakraborty (talk) 12:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Partha Chakraborty, this draft wobbles between referring to its subject as "he" and referring to its subject as "she". Better sort that out first. -- Hoary (talk) 13:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary fixed everything. Partha Chakraborty (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Partha Chakraborty, no you haven't. The draft still can't decide whether this person is "he" or "she" (and I also notice "She's" where I'd write "her"). -- Hoary (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

You will need to submit it for a review, I've added the information so you can do that, but if you were to do so, it would be declined, as it's not clear to me how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable singer. 331dot (talk) 13:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Twice you've used the phrase "one after another". Say how many things happened, or find words that sound less like something occurred that the Guinness Book of Records might be interested in. An artist might release five albums in seven years; they don't release one album after another. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Websites who's design resembles Wikipedia

Can anyone creating a wiki website use MediaWiki as it's engine? Oscarjohnson1981 (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes Oscarjohnson1981 as stated at MediaWiki "MediaWiki is a free and open-source wiki software." "Besides its use on Wikimedia sites, MediaWiki has been used as a knowledge management and content management system on tens of thousands of websites, and thousands of companies, public and private, including the websites Fandom, wikiHow, and major internal installations like Intellipedia and Diplopedia." - Arjayay (talk) 14:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft was declined and I do not agree at all

Hello, I followed another organization that is similar to my mine almost to the letter but my draft was declined almost immediately. I do not understand why especially since my draft states only facts about the organization and there is no subjective information. This is the draft: Draft:Saudi Amateur Radio Society HZ1SF (talk) 14:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

HZ1SF Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see other stuff exists; it could be that the article you used as a model was also inappropriate, and you wouldn't know this. Wikipedia is not a place for an organization to tell the world about itself. A Wikipedia article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia does not want to know what the organization says about itself, or just facts- we want to know what others choose to say about the organization and why it is important, influential, or significant. Please read Your First Article.

If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles, which have been evaluated by the community. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @331dot, I now have a better understanding of why the article was declined. What options are there for the organization if nobody else writes about it? HZ1SF (talk) 14:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

HZ1SF The best indicator that an organization meets the defintion of a notable organization is when an independent editor wholly unconnected with the organization takes note of coverage of the organization in independent reliable sources and decides on their own to write about it. Wikipedia is not a directory where every organization can have an article just because it exists. My advice is to abandon attempting to create an article about your organization and go on with the work you do; if the news or other reliable sources take note on their own of what you do, they will write about you. If they write about you, readers will see those writings and perhaps decide to write about the organization. Trying to force the issue yourself(as an organization) is not usually successful.

You've already declared your conflict of interest, so you may continue to work on a draft if you wish, but you will need to basically start over and only write based on the content of independent reliable sources- setting aside everything you know about your organization and all materials its puts out. That's usually very hard for people in your position to do- I have rarely seen people do that successfully in my years here. If there are not independent reliable sources with significant coverage of your organization, it won't merit an article at this time no matter how well you write it, and it would just use up your time. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@HZ1SF You might get some advice or assistance at WP:WikiProject Amateur radio, just ask on the project's talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your time @331dot, I appreciate it.

Thanks @Dodger67, I'm new to the Wikipedia contribution thing so hopefully I'll find some help there! HZ1SF (talk) 17:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@HZ1SF One more point: a list of founder's names doesn't tell a reader much, if anything, about what the group does, or why the group is notable. Those names won't mean anything to anyone except the members themselves, and they are not the audience that a Wikipedia article should be written for. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 07:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @David10244, it's much clearer to me now. HZ1SF (talk) 08:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome, @HZ1SF. David10244 (talk) 05:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Reference moves location on a web page

Say a reference used in an article still exists, but the path to that reference in the webpage it belongs to has changed (for example, moving from "www.example.com/blog/title-of-article" to "www.example.com/title-of-article"). Would one leave the reference as it is or update it? Liassica (talk) 15:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Liassica Updating broken reference links is a good thing, just make sure it really is the same content. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Yep, the link I'm looking at is exactly the same as the example I gave, the site just restructured where it's articles go. Checking archive.org the articles are exactly the same, minus an inconsequential picture. Liassica (talk) 17:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

If you're checking archive.org anyway, Liassica, it would be worth adding an archive-url parameter to the citation (assuming it uses one of the "cite" templates, and hasn't already got an archive url). That will have no effect now, but may be helpful later if the site disappears. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

IPs and notifications

I was wondering whether IPs, i.e. unregistered users, receive notifications similar to registered users when receiving new talk page messages or having edits reverted. Going through the trouble of leaving warning messages seems kind of pointless if they don't. Help:Notifications only says mentioning them doesn't work, which I'm aware of, but doesn't say anything about other types of notifications. If they do receive alerts/notifications, what does it look like to them (since they don't have a bell icon)? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Good question. You could have a test with your friend, ask them log out and you gave them a warn, but take care of privacy. IMO, they cannot get warns in fact. Lemonaka (talk) 19:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I've considered that, but being that IPs reveal personal info, I'd never ask anyone I know to do that. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 20:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Throast: The only type of notification IP's get]] - sometimes is the "You've got new messages on your talkpage" notification - delivered via a giant orange bar below the page header. Also, if an IP adress is shared bewtween multiple people, notifications might not hit the intended recipient. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Victor Schmidt, ah thanks for the links! Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 21:12, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

It's a good idea to make full use of edit-summaries (as well as talk-pages) because it's just possible they'll be aware of history pages even if they haven't found, or don't use, talk pages. They might be curious about who's reverting them, which gives you another place to try to explain why! Elemimele (talk) 22:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

updating information

hi, what should I do if I'm updating an article and I know for sure that updated information exists, but I can't find it? thanks H31pfulguy (talk) 17:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@H31pfulguy If the article is one with many page watchers, you could make a comment on its Talk Page, giving the reason you suspect it could be updated. If you want more advice, please specify here which article you mean. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@H31pfulguy: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could also tag a sentence with {{update inline}} or a section with {{update section}} or an article with {{update}}. GoingBatty (talk) 18:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Requesting assist on my new page

Hi, I newly created this college's page. I'd appreciate some feedback and assistance on it. Thanks. X (talk) 18:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/Kazi Azim Uddin College. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

At the AFD page you say that you created the new article based on an article on the Bengali Wikipedia. You need to read WP:Translation. Even if the article meets the requirements of bnwiki it doesn't necessarily meet the requirements of enwiki. And if you translated from the other article you need to give appropriate attribution. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Xkalponik The requirements for notability on en:wiki are laid out here. You can attempt to expand the article to meet that standard while it is being considered at AfD, which it will be for about a week. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I can't format a line-up table correctly

The lineup is at Voces8#Lineup. Voces8 have changed their bass to Dominic Carver. An IP editor noted this, but didn't get the edits quite right. The article includes both a timeline and a lineup, and the latter doesn't contain Dominic Carver, or note the end-date of his predecessor, Jonathan Pacey. I tried to make the change but the preview showed I'd gone horribly wrong. How do tables like this work? Basically it needs a new line, retaining everything except the very last cell. I tried to model my edit on Jonathan Pacey's appearance many rows above, but it put Dominic in the first column, not the last. If anyone loves tables and wants to fix this, it'd be great. I am sure the change is genuine, based on Voces8's own website, but they do not give the date it happened, and I can't find anything better than the twittersphere/facebook to find a specific date; I wish I had a source for the date, but there's no point in leaving demonstrably incorrect information in place. Elemimele (talk) 18:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure the article needs both a timeline and a lineup section to display the same information. However, to answer your question, I updated the lineup table with this edit. Editing tables with merged fields can be challenging to do in the source code, but is easy to do with the VisualEditor - see Help:Introduction to tables with VisualEditor/1. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Ah, thanks for that. I tend to use the source code editor, so next time I encounter something like that, I'll try the visual version. I agree that I don't think it needs both the timeline and the lineup, but I wasn't sure which was more useful, and didn't think it worth causing upset by removing one or other. Thank you for fixing it. Elemimele (talk) 19:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Valid Sources for a page

Hi there, I'm having a bit of trouble with the page im working on - it's been rejected for not having another coverage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abby_Ajayi What would be considered coverage of work - would this be articles? And how would this feature in the different sections of a wiki page? Many thanks! E879352 (talk) 20:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, E879352, and welcome to the Teahouse. The only source which is invalid is iMDB (which is not regarded as a reliable source because much of the content is user generated: see WP:IMDB).

All the rest are permitted as sources. But in my view, not one of them satisfies the triple criteria of being reliable, independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of her. The closest is the NYFA (no 2): but though that is probably reliable and independent, it doesn't really have much information on her: it's a good start, but its not nearly enough on its own. Most of the rest are clearly not independent.

Please look again at WP:GNG, and also check WP:Golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, @E879352. What is needed to meet our notability criteria is evidence that the world at large has shown an interest in someone - not just a list of things they've done or created. So, two or three in-depth newspaper, magazine, or book articles which talk about that person from an in-depth, independent perspective are needed. It can be frustrating when the only good sources are direct interviews with that person. We don't accept those. I face this a lot in the mountaineering world where interviews in major magazines with living climbers are not acceptable, so we have to wait until they've died and multiple obituaries appear that summarise their achievements. Hopefully, we won't have to wait for this person to die, but it may nonetheless be WP:TOOSOON and that keeping a draft in your sandbox and adding to it as the years go by until they do meet our notability criteria could well be the best approach if you can't find independent sources to cite. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

The Phillips Academy Poll Articles for Creation

Hi, I noticed that recently Draft:The Phillips Academy Poll had an Afc rejected. This follows a similar rejection from last year, however the reason given was notability and a lack of history merging. Now that history has been merged, is it appropriate to submit an Afc? There have been recent sources supporting notability, such as a full-length feature in The New Yorker. Jfkadmirer (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jfkadmirer I see that there is already a section at Phillips Academy#The Phillips Academy Poll which covers the key points. It's not clear to me that a content fork is needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Moving a page

I am trying to move a page so that it can be renamed. I have made the required 10 edits and have been a member for over a week. I have updated the content of the article to reflect the new name of the institution but "MOVE" does not seem to be an option. In the page information it has been set for "Allow all users to move" under page protection. I prefer visual editor. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Museum L-A Maine MILL (talk) 16:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Maine MILL Your account was registered yesterday at 17.02 - it is not even 1 day old yet, let alone the week you are claiming. Either wait the required period; or apply at WP:Requested moves - Arjayay (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Please STOP removing periods and adding them back again in a pointless fashion at Museum L-A, it is considered disuptive. Theroadislong (talk) 16:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Museum L-A was changed to Maine MILL, in the process retroactively making your User name inappropriate. Hence you being blocked for that and some other reasons. You can appeal to be unblocked. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

Hello! I was creating a page for Jupiter in Māori Wikipedia. I used the add languages button, but the new page did not connect to Jupiter. Here's the page! I tried to use the Edit interlanguage links tool, but I "didn't have permission to carry out this action".

Note: I do not speak Māori, I was just creating a page for Jupiter. I was basing it off of the Māori page for the Sun. Wolvescantread (talk) 04:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I can't read Māori either, Wolvescantread; but I think I could recognize the presence of text if there was any; and in mi:Kōpūnui I see no text. People reading, say, en:Jupiter and seeing a link within the latter page to "Kōpūnui" in Māori would reasonably expect that clicking on it would lead to something worth looking at. At least in the short term, these expectations would be disappointed. Please leave the connection of mi:Kōpūnui until a worthwhile article mi:Kōpūnui has been created, and leave its creation to Māori speakers. This sorry incident doesn't call for a rerun. -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! I was aiming to create the page as a launchpad so that a Māori speaker could add on to it. I added the amount of text as I was seeing in the other astronomy articles, so I assumed it would be alright to create. Wolvescantread (talk) 06:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Wolvescantread Uh, but @Hoary and I both see no text, yet you say that you added some? Weird. David10244 (talk) 07:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Wolvescantread, why create "launchpads"? Wikipedia is for its readers' benefit, but something that falls short of even "stub" status is of no use to any reader. As for Wikipedia's editors, I as an editor of en:Wikipedia have been immensely irritated by the 2007 perpetration (by Polbot) of hundreds of worthless substubs on Japanese photographers. I've worked on a few, but the majority have just gathered cobwebs, or wasted other editors' time in deletion procedures. Editors of mi:Wikipedia can launch articles by themselves. -- Hoary (talk) 07:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your reply. I thought that creating the article would be a good idea, so that others have a place to start with. I was not aware of the history of people making awful translations, and I can see how annoying that would be.

Again, I didn't add that much text, only created the page, added the symbol and picture. Because I don't speak Māori well, I didn't want to write more than I was able. I thought the length of the article was acceptable because I have been seeing tiny stubs like that one across many Wikis.

Thanks for letting me know about the policies, I'll stick to adding pictures/sources for other wikis instead of creating small translations.

I do know that there are some ridiculous questions on the Teahouse, but I am trying to use this place as a forum to learn how to become a better editor. As always, Assume Good Faith. I know you meant well, but yours and @David10244's response felt a tad passive aggressive. I was told the Teahouse is a safe place for baby editors like myself, and your response did not create a welcoming environment.

A personal goal of mine is language accessibility, and I want to help in any way possible. Wolvescantread (talk) 17:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Wolvescantread, if I see something that seems a bad idea, I say that it's a bad idea. I don't think that doing so is either passive or aggressive. I'm sure that your motives are good. Mi:Wikipedia is out of the scope of en:Wikipedia's "tearoom"; however, since we've already come this far: I'm happy to hear that people are putting effort into invigorating mi:Wikipedia. Editors whose ability in Teo Māori is limited can probably play a part in this. Mi:Tāmaki-makau-rau (about Auckland) says something. Although it has nothing that's very obviously a reference, it does repeatedly say "(Ngā Tatauranga 2013)". I'll guess [no more!] that this is the 2013 New Zealand census. If the article really is based on that census, the data are unnecessarily old. If the results of the 2023 census (to be held a couple of weeks from now) are expected soon, then an interim update for 2018 might be rather a waste of effort; but 2018 data would surely be better than 2013 data. -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Help to establish noteability

Hi,

I am struggling to establish notability of the article Draft:Swiss 8

I have a number of news articles, a few submissions to government, a number of other press releases that are all directly relating to the subject matter, can anybody suggest what the problem with these is so I can focus on finding more notable sources. Benking84 (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Benking84. Whilst you have declared your 'conflict of interest' on your userpage, you should actually be declaring who is paying you to write this article. Namely, your employer, Swiss 8. It would be best if you changed the template on your page so that you can easily declare who is paying you. See here for the source code.

As you have 23 citations in your draft, I'm personally not willing to spend my time wading through them all to help a paid editor. So please just respond and list three, and only three, of your best sources which I expect you to have already compared against our Notability Requirements for Organisations? In essence, you need to find three independent and in-depth sources which talk about this organisation at some length. If you can't do that, your draft will be declined as not being 'Notable' by Wikipedia's standards. That's not to say that the organisation you advise doesn't do great work - it's just that this encyclopaedia of notable things is not here to help a gazillion organisations around the world PROMOTE themselves on Wikipedia. If you can't find really good unrelated sources that talk about it in detail, then there can be no article about it at this point in time. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Nobody is paying me to write the article, I volunteer for this charity so I give them some of my time in return for helping veterans, I myself am a veteran but this is a one way exchange of time to Swiss 8 from me.

Should I remove the conflict of interest in this situation?

As for references I would likely choose this one from the Aus Government: https://www.dva.gov.au/newsroom/latest-news-veterans/swiss-8-bbq-remember

This one from RSL NSW: https://www.rslnsw.org.au/news/a-fitness-app-a-phd-student-and-a-university-get-together/

This news article: https://thesector.com.au/2021/02/02/military-veterans-swiss-8-app-made-available-to-all-australians-to-support-mental-health/ Benking84 (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Benking84 No - you are listed on their website as an 'Advisor', so it was natural to assume you are paid. Even if you're not, you still have a very clear WP:COI, so please don't remove that. Thank you for the clarification.

The first two of your citations are not sufficient to establish notability at all. The third is a little better, so you will need at least a couple more like that, I feel, to meet WP:NCORP. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks for clarifying.

The other news articles I have are:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/23/should-never-have-been-allowed-in-adf-recruiting-psychologically-unfit-candidates-veteran-psychiatrist-says

https://coastcommunitynews.com.au/central-coast/news/2021/11/hold-a-bbq-to-be-in-the-running-to-win-180000-prizes/

https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/how-to-enter-the-worlds-biggest-meat-tray-raffle-c-985651

https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/rsl-queensland-works-on-proactive-wellbeing-programs-for-veterans/

And I have thesee other articles that are from reputable news sources, but behind paywalls, so not sure they will be a great can I use these or is the paywall an issue?

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/former-soldier-helps-veterans-deal-with-trauma-of-lost-tribe/news-story/d2f642dad98b769507fe2986c7237640

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/defence/young-veterans-needed-at-table-for-suicide-prevention/news-story/5fc4c1d04ce41fde30ac4a9295f93898

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/afghanistan-war-veterans-fighting-not-to-be-forgotten/news-story/a064587e350d7174d91564e81606c810

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/deaths-in-afghanistan-not-in-vain-fathers-of-sean-mccarthy-and-scott-palmer/news-story/44cbd946bb73619123721104f184f6d6

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville/townsville-veteran-justin-huggett-recalls-moment-mate-mcquilty-quirke-was-injured-by-ied-in-afghanistan/news-story/8592725d6c0266c7751f8ef272b5b1db Benking84 (talk) 02:48, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Benking84: The paywall isn't an issue - see WP:PAYWALL. GoingBatty (talk) 04:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Afds and rms

Howdy! Just a quick question here: If an article is nominated for deletion and requested moved, which one should run first? Cheers, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 06:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikiexplorationandhelping, I'll assume that the current name isn't clearly offensive and that there's no other particularly urgent reason for a move. I'd put aside the move request until the AfD process has concluded (one way or another), as moving would complicate the AfD process. Of course an AfD participant would be free to argue there that with one name the article should be retained but with the other it should be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 07:14, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Discography formatting

I'm preparing my first article on an experimental composer and wanted some guidance about correctly formatting LP and cassette releases in their discography, which is a modest list of just four items. Ianstonehouse (talk) 11:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Chronological order, Ianstonehouse, oldest to newest. Put them in a list, not in a table. Do what seems sensible: if anyone later objects to what you've done, as there are only four items, their rearrangement or reformatting will be simple. -- Hoary (talk) 11:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Oak Ridge Military Academy, Good Article?

Hi, I'm a new editor here and I've been working on Oak Ridge Military Academy for a month now, and I've gotten it up to B-class in every Wikiproject it is a part of. I want to nominate it for Good Article Status, but I am a little nervous. I think it looks pretty good, but I don't want to nominate it and waste everyone's time and have it be immediately rejected. Does anybody here think the article might stand a chance against a GAN? Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 23:11, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, Surfinsi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I feel your pain! Some years back I spent months and months working on Mont Blanc massif to bring it to GA status, but it fell at FA because of my limited time to address certain issues. Are you aware of WP:PEERREVIEW, which is a way to get expert critical feedback on articles? I suggest you look into this as that'd be the best way to gently haul it up to GA standard. I apologise that I don't have the time right now to offer critical feedback which might help you achieve this laudable goal. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I have gone through peer review, which is how I got Oak Ridge Military Academy up to B-class. I made sure to handle every issue they gave me. Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Surfinsi OK. So here are a few quick random comments for you to help you take this further forward: In the History section, you have some text in quotes. I feel the end of that sentence would merit a citation so it can be checked and shown to be correct. I feel some of your citations could be improved. You don't appear to have used citation templates which are available via the editor's menu. I note your newspapers.com citations are very weak. Every single one needs checking to ensure there's a title, date, author and source listed. Right now those poorly-constructed citations would not give it a cat in hells chance of reaching GA. And, whilst I'm nit-picking for GA, never ever cite search results! Your NAIS citation is terrible, and needs fixing at least to this one. You need to go through each one and check they make sense and target the right page.

You refer to 'Notable buildings', but I don't see any article links about them. So avoid using that term (see WP:N) in a way that does not relate to Wikipedia, but may only be your personal opinion as to importance.

Unless the sign in the photo was erected in 2013, I see no value in stating the date it was photographed. It would add nothing encylopaedic.

I also think the 'Notable alumni' section should simply list names and not attempt to write a sentence about each person. That info ought to be findable within each wikilinked article.

TBH: it might be that this article will not reach GA status without a lot more in-depth sources and more content. But I have seen equally short pages reach GA (much to my own annoyance and chagrin!). So give it a try - just be prepared to put in the time to fix whatever issues might be flagged up. Hope this helps a bit. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

For Notable alumni, I agree about removing the sentences, but keep the references, as for some of the people, the Wikipedia articles about them do not mention their having attended the Academy but the references do. David notMD (talk) 03:47, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes - I would agree with that approach. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Block

I would like to now 1.how the "Wikipedia hierarchy" functions and 2.How and\or who I need to ask to revert a recent global block

Thank you very much in advance for the informative response which I will most likely receive 80.209.216.81 (talk) 14:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Does WP:GB help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:User access levels may help with your 1. question. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Wikipedians!

This page is very out of date. Is there someone willing to help update? Please see the website: www.zenaelkhalil.com for more info. Many thanks! Zena El Khalil Omega108 (talk) 15:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

linking to what i assume is the artists page is not a very good source, it probably violates WP:NPOV and is not a secondary source (im pretty sure that we use secondary sources -Bad At This ^{(yell at me)} 15:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Yep! WP:SELFSOURCE SpookyTwenty (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry! This is my first time commenting. Would it help to list some secondary sources? The bios here are more up to date. Kindly see: https://www.giorgiopersano.org/en/artista/zena-el-khalil/

https://aub.edu.lb/cah/Documents/Zena%20El%20Khalil%20BIO%20and%20CV.pdf

https://www.artspace.com/artists/zena-el-khalil-1 Omega108 (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, here are some links to help with notability credibility:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jul/19/israel.syria

https://www.nyrb.com/collections/zena-el-khalil

https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/01/2009_12_tue.shtml

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/221972/beirut-i-love-you-by-zena-el-khalil/ Omega108 (talk) 15:57, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

More updated bios: https://www.moca.london/we_zenaelkhalil.html

http://unionsquareyogabeirut.com/teacher/zena-el-khalil/

Would be great to get some help updating. Please let me know if more sources are needed. Thank you!! Omega108 (talk) 16:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Omega108, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, not one of the links you have provided is independent of El Khalil. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Please see WP:42. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I...

...merge a draft with a page that is semi-protected? I'm trying to merge Draft:Rainbow Friends and List of Roblox Games, but List of Roblox Games is semi-protected! Help! 2600:4040:2DC9:9E00:D1DC:C06C:6A2C:92C8 (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Make an WP:Edit request on Talk:List of Roblox games. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Currently, there is only a talk page comment. To attract more attention use Template:Edit semi-protected. Or, as you have already done, post about it on Teahouse or Help Desk. In the future please use the edit request system. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:41, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Tips on creating an article

Hello I wrote an article in draft: Draft:Bahman Ansari

But this article was rejected due to reference to Crunchbase site and the page was removed. Can you restore the page so I can fix it? B.sooshiant (talk) 10:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

B.sooshiant Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed the link for you. The draft was deleted as a copyright violation and will not be restored, Any article about this person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person- you must not simply copy content to here from elsewhere. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 10:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Most recently (25 February 2023) it was deleted for copyright infringement. Articles about the person (Iranian writer and poet) was AfD deleted in 2018, then Speedy deleted twice in 2020. David notMD (talk) 17:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Critical if you want to try again will be published content ABOUT him. Referencing what he has written is useful, but does not contribute to Wikipedia's concept of notability. Ah - borrowed from an Q&A lower down: see WP:42. David notMD (talk) 17:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Userpage deleted

I have been trying to upload my autobiography where I have stated my achievements and publications. The text quoted states about journals, patents, chapters and books published under me. But wikipedia has deleted my work twice without stating any reason. Can you please help me in getting it online and guide me through by stating what's wrong in my work Mr cool746 (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mr cool746 Your WP:USERPAGE is for, if you like, writing a little about what you do and want to do as a WP-editor. It's not the place to write an autobiography/promote yourself. If you mean that you are trying to write a WP-article about yourself, the short advice is don't bother, the longer is WP:AUTO and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mr cool746, welcome to the teahouse. The specific criteria for deletion the pages meet is stated on your talk page. But to add on, writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is a strongly discouraged and you shouldn't attempt to do so. Justiyaya 17:58, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Mr cool746 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What's wrong is that Wikipedia isn't for telling about our accomplishments or posting our resume. Please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not interested in what people say about themselves, but in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. This is usually very difficult for people to do about themselves, which is why autobiographies are highly discouraged, though not forbidden. If you can set aside what you know about yourself and limit yourself to summarizing independent sources, you may submit a draft via WP:AFC. 331dot (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

How can I report missbehaviour of wikipedia editors / moderators ?

Hello,

how can I report missbehaviour of wikipedia moderators which act against guidelines in a contradictory way ? Encyclopedia Research (talk) 16:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You should first attempt to resolve your dispute directly with the person, in a civil discussion. If that fails, user conduct issues are discussed at WP:ANI. Be advised that bringing someone there is not a one way process, and that your behavior will be examined as well.(see WP:BOOMERANG) 331dot (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

You inserted an external link into the text (twice), reverted twice. You then deleted a validly formatted reference (reverted). All this was done by editors, not Administrators. If you want to dispute what is going on at Gambling in the United States, the first place is the Talk page of that article. David notMD (talk) 17:48, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Likewise, at Betting on horse racing you deleted a valid reference with history content by calling it spam in your Edit summary. I reverted that, too. Again, take it up on the Talk page of the article before arbitrarily deleting references. David notMD (talk) 17:59, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Research Lastly, but not less important, Wikipedia has a civility policy (see Wikipedia:Civility). Your reply to User:ColinFine "Respectfully I do understand your capacity is very limited." was disrespectful of an editor who has been here since 2006 (versus your second day). Criticize content, but not the contributor. David notMD (talk) 18:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

" since 2006 here " but still he took no responsibility for spam links of that days, by saying nobody has to cut them out and by saying I can understand his capacity argument, how would this be disrespectful David ? Encyclopedia Research (talk) 18:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

"arbitrarily" ridicioulus look at pages like playusa.com and tell us all again that is not spam. And yes I deleted spam links because the is not a single one of editor which is taking responsibility or all these spam links, they even said that to me " its not their job to find these links " If a site with 200 external affiliate links just on this article is valid in your eyes I can't help you sorry Encyclopedia Research (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Research is correct. Ezhorsebetting.com describes itself as a "Horse Racing & Betting Blog" and is in no way a reliable source. It is packed full of advertising for online casinos and betting sites. I have removed it. David notMD, did you actually look at the source? Cullen328 (talk) 18:32, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

At Betting on horse racing an editor removed the same ref you did, but on grounds of it being a blog;- blogs often not accepted by Wikipedia as reliable sources. I am not going to dispute that because I have no knowledge of the source. If it is removed, it leaves content unreferenced. A better path would have been to replace the ref with something better. David notMD (talk) 18:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

That reference was both spam and a blog. Cullen328 (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand, gamblegecko.com is also spam and not a reliable source, Encyclopedia Research. Cullen328 (talk) 18:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree that it started with history but sequed to online betting services. The statement now has two non-commercial refs. David notMD (talk) 19:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Merging pages and Dead Links

Hi fellow Wikipedians!

I have two questions.

1. I came across the Hindola page and was meaning to write content on it, BUT I then find another page on the same festival - Jhulan Purnima. Should I merge these two articles? How do I do that?
2. I encountered one or two dead links during my editing journey. Initially, I removed them until I came across this policy Wikipedia:Citing sources#Preventing and repairing dead links. I'm starting to understand the process for this. Is there a specific bot that I can also use to fix dead links and can we direct the bot to that link? Or does everyone just manually search for the link using archive websites and take it from there? I'm just curious about people's approach to this. Also, this is the link that I encountered https://www.site.euttaranchal.com/404.php that is dead.

Thank you for your help! Chilicave (talk) 02:34, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Chilicave: Welcome to the Teahouse!

1. You could start a merge discussion on one of the article's talk pages (and drop a note on the other article's talk page linking to the discussion) to see what the consensus is.
2. I use WP:CHECKLINKS to find dead links, but can't quite get it to add archive-urls to an article. Therefore, I paste the URL into web.archive.org or archive.today to find archived URLs and then manually add them to the citation templates.

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @GoingBatty!

One more question about the merging of articles. What if I don't get any response from both talk pages? No one has been active on the Hindola page since 2021 and the last edit on the Jhulan Purnima page was Novemeber of 2022. Chilicave (talk) 18:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Chilicave You could look at the edit histories of the articles and {{ping}} a few of the recent contributors to the Talk Page where you've proposed the merger. After about a week of comment (or if no comments) you could be WP:BOLD and make the merger. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Chilicave: You could also post on the appropriate WikiProject talk pages inviting editors to the merge discussion. GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Great ideas @Michael D. Turnbull and @GoingBatty. Thanks for your guidance! Chilicave (talk) 21:02, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Conflicting instruction

Conflicting instruction about external links ... I'm informed that external links are to be avoided in the body of a post. However, in working on a draft, my work to remove external links was reverted because it was termed not"constructive." I would like to add external links to a list of artworks, to offer illustration of the work, itself. Doing this would create a powerful resource for Wikipedia. But it requires a lot of work. Can I get assurances in advance, that doing this will be allowed? Question about policy toward external links. George-Amherst (talk) 19:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, George-Amherst. According to WP:External links, External links normally should not be placed in the body of an article. Use of external links should be limited. For example, an article about a notable company can have a link to their website in the infobox and in an "External links" section at the end of the article. I do not see the point in creating external links to Wikimedia Commons instead of simply displaying the image the normal way. As for advance assurances, Wikipedia does not work that way, so no. Cullen328 (talk) 19:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

George-Amherst I've made the header here shorter for ease of use- I think you might have had the edit window and the edit summary window backwards. 331dot (talk) 20:20, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

The gigantic “Annex: Table of the Engravings of Le Musée français and Le Musée royal” section you are adding to Le Musée français seems to be excessive detail. See Wikipedia:Too much detail. Theroadislong (talk) 21:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

It's full of excessive detail, it's entirely unreferenced, it contains external links, it's in the wrong place (after the "References" section), and it has a boldface section header. It's likely to be deleted if you don't fix all those problems. Maproom (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

It was discussed on the talk page a year ago, where there was no consensus to include it, but VERY strong ownership issues displayed by this SPA user. Theroadislong (talk) 21:54, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Userboxes in User page

So I've been trying to do userboxes... and looking for templates, but I can't seem to be able to find anything... I've looked in the template help, editing help, all of it. I can't find anything useful... Help would be greatly appreciated, thank you! Merci beaucoup ! ThatADHDperson (talk) 19:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThatADHDperson: Hello ThatADHDperson! I suggest you check out WP:UBX which as a link to the userbox galleries which contain most, if not all, of the userboxes in use here on WIkipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I legit was completely lost in the forums of Wikipedia looking for userbox templates, so you're a life saver! ThatADHDperson (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThatADHDperson A good general tip is to use the standard Wikipedia search box at the top of the page but instead of searching for an article name as you might nornally do, prefix your search with "WP:". That searches over the area in which most of the help/guidance/policy pages are stored. So if you search for "WP:USERBOX", you'll rapidly find the system offers you an appropriate page. Similarly "WP:Templates" or "WP:HELP". Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh... that makes sense. Okay, noted! Merci ! ThatADHDperson (talk) 22:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Who is considered notable

Who is considered notable for Wikipedia? MsSouth (talk) 05:29, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@MsSouth: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1181. You can find out more at this page for notability guidelines on people. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Pages for new people

Think of this fictional scenario. Someone makes an article about Mr. Xyz. But it is acknowledged that Mr. Xyz is not notable, and deleted. Decades later, there is a celebrity named Xyz (not related at all to the first person of that same name). A new Wikipedia page is created.

Will the new page have any history of the old page? 117.241.62.43 (talk) 11:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

No it won't. -- Hoary (talk) 11:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

There is a counter-example to what you said.

There is a page about a racist slur against Malayalis, Mallu. That page is deleted as per WP:NOTADICTIONARY. A totally different page with the same name is made, as a redirect to a village in Estonia. But now the old page's history is merged with the new page, although they are totally different concepts.

How to avoid this problem of a page inheriting wrong history? 117.204.126.253 (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Note that "deleted" typically means that an article or page was removed from public view; you are referring to an article being replaced by a redirect. Perhaps you could have first requested that the article be deleted(removed from view) then created the redirect, but the current edit history reflects the transition of the article to a redirect, removing this would change the history of the article. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Need Help: Nigerian Books of Record

I just started this article for a reference book project in Nigeria books of Record and I will appreciate some valuable contributions from editors here.

Here is the link to the article Nigerian Books of Record. I have referenced it the best way I could but will also appreciate professional inputs. Niftyrules™ 06:52, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Please point to some reliable sources, independent of NBR, that discuss NBR at some depth. 126.33.111.187 (talk) 06:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Have you seen this https://guardian.ng/news/celebrate-only-credible-people-centre-charges-nigerians/ Niftyrules™ 07:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niftyrules (talk • contribs)

That is not an independent source, it's based on what Professor David has said. To get your draft published, you'll need to find several reliable independent published sources that discuss the subject, and base your draft on what they say. Maproom (talk) 10:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Niftyrules, and welcome to the Teahouse. While that might be a useful source for some information in an article, it does little to establish notability because it is not really independent. First it quotes the director, and then it is mainly quoting Chinyere when he had just been inducted into the Hall of Fame - which makes him a non-independent source.

I also note that you are creating your draft on your user page, which is not appropriate. Please move it to Draft space (as I see you did in a similar case three years ago).

On another topic - I'm not sure whether you are signing your posts manually, or have set up your signature wrong. Please use the signature tool to sign your posts. Your signature should contain a link to your user page or user talk page. Also, it is very unusual to use the "TM" symbol anywhere in Wikipedia, and using it in your signature suggests to me that your user name might be representing an organisation or company, which is not acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 10:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

To create Biography

Hello Sir/Madam, We would like to create Wikipedia page for Mayor of Dhulikhel, Nepal Mr. Ashok Kumar Byanju Shrestha who is also President of United Cities and Local Governments Asia Pacific and affiliated various national and international organizations. So, we want to make biography of Mayor Byanju on Wikipedia. As you might known we are trying from many days ago but couldn't be successful. We think we couldn't reach Wikipedia's requirements. Actually, we are also trying to learn from Youtube but we didn't find the appropriate solution for it.

So would you please guide us ho to create biography in Wikipedia?

Thank you.

Good Day. Ashok Kumar Byanju Shrestha (talk) 05:26, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

The decline notice on your Talk page has many links with relevant information. Do you have any specific questions? -- asilvering (talk) 06:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ashok Kumar Byanju Shrestha. So far, you have failed to establish that the topic of your draft is notable, which is the minimum requirement for a Wikipedia article. Please read Wikipedia:Notability basics for an overview of what is required. Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Why did you write "We" in your question? People cannot share accounts. Also, you created two drafts about the same person Draft:Ashok Kumar Byanju Byanju and Draft:Ashok Kumar Byanju Shrestha, both declined for reasons given by the reviewers, including lack of references. David notMD (talk) 12:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

One of your Edit summaries states that this attempt is about you. Wikipedia strongly advises against autobiography (see WP:AUTO), as such attempts almost always fail. What you know to be true about yourself CANNOT be in the article unless confirmed by independent, reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 12:45, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Ashok Kumar Byanju Shrestha Understand that Wikipedia has articles, not pages. Pages are common to social media, often written by a person about themselves, using facts they know to be true, but without references. Articles are created by people who ideally have no paid or personal connection to the person being written about, with all facts verified by reliable source references, and the tone a neutral point of view. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Translation of an article

I translated an article from German into English, but I can't upload it since I don't have rights on the English Wikipedia for it. There might be some minor grammatical issues, the article itself is complete, though. Could somebody do that for me so?

User:TheOriginalDuck/Yeah, hello, I am Jana from Kasel

Many thanks -TheOriginalDuck TheOriginalDuck (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheOriginalDuck, and welcome to the Teahouse. New editors cannot create articles directly: I suggest you submit it for review by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top.

Looking at it, I don't think it will be accepted into en-wiki in its current form, as its sourcing is inadequate. It looks to me as if they are all primary sources: where is the independent discussion of the event?

On a linguistic point: "a public speaking" is not English. I think you mean "a speech" or "an address". ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I made a boo boo, yeah~

I checked the help pages of reverting and rollback not long ago, and just need to be sure about the latter.

Is it meant mostly for cases of a single editor making multiple not particularly constructive edits, vandalism or whatever else in a row? If so, does that mean that in the case of two or more separate editors (or the same one with more than one account, who am I to know) making multiple uncool edits each, it's just better to undo them? cogsan (talk) 16:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cog-san, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry you've had a long wait for a reply. The distinction is not an easy one to get one's head around. I sometimes worry I might get it wrong myself (and I'm meant to understand these things!) You are right that rollback should be reserved only for instantly reverting one (or multiple edits) by one obvious, bad faith editor.

If you find a series of edits from different users, perhaps over many hours or days, all of which you feel are unhelpful, it is simply better to go to View History and attempt to find the edits that were made before a set of edits were made that damaged the article and to 'show difference' between that and the latest version. Check the differences carefully and, if you believe you've found the best version, select 'restore this version' and give an edit summary which explains why you've made it. It may sometimes be necessary to go back to one of those earlier versions and copy some of the elements which were helpful and then reinsert them into that restored version yourself.

Only in case of real vandalism should a one-click rollback be used, as no edit summary is offered. In all other circumstances either use the type of rollback offered by Twinkle (rollback AGF, for example) and ensure you leave a helpful, explanatory edit. Or, better still, use 'undo'. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

No rush for the answer. I myself end up unavailable for a while (usually an entire day) because Tour de Pizza is holding me at gunpoint, so I wouldn't have much of a right to complain either way.

Yeah, it really seems like standard rollback only has that one situational use, but it's for a strangely common situation, so it still works.

Thanks. cogsan (talk) 15:27, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Questions of business in form 3

Question of business in topic 1 and 2 in from 3 196.200.46.96 (talk) 15:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. We're here to help people who have difficulty editing Wikipedia. I'm afraid your question makes no sense to me. Please explain in more detail if you need help from us. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:38, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Creating Subpages

So, I read at WP:Subpages that to create a subpage (I'm looking to do it on my user page) you just need to put the main page in the in the title, but how do I get to that point? Through the articles for creation process? Is there some way to do it on the user page? I don't know, but I kinda want answers.

--AugustusAudax (talk) 14:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Augustus. No, only use AFC for articles. You just need to type the name (eg User:AugustusAudax/This is the name of my subpage) into the Wikipedia search box. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I intend for it to become an essay, so is there a different process for it to be submitted? AugustusAudax (talk) 18:07, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no formal process for essays. See WP:Essays for the options. ColinFine (talk) 18:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

   I believe in User:Ionic Ludicrous/boi, boi is the subpage. 
   =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Where can I find a list of templates about page problems to add to a page?

--My tightness (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@My tightness Category:Inline citation and verifiability dispute templates and Category:Citation and verifiability maintenance templates may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

@My tightness, Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup or Wikipedia:Template index/Maintenance might be useful too. Justiyaya 18:01, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you guys. --My tightness (talk) 19:07, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive IP editor

An IP editor was warned about their disruptive edits on an article but continues to ignore warnings and was also temporarily blocked on a previous IP of theirs. Please see the edit history of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehtab_Singh_Bhangu

Can I go ahead and revert their most current edit or would it be considered edit warring on my part? I have left them a message on their talk page to not add in their unsourced changes to the article. Please advise my next steps. Thank you. ThethPunjabi (talk) 02:19, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You two are edit warring over whether a person was a Ravidas Sikh or a jat Sikh. You could request that the article be semi-protected, so that unregistered editors are not allowed to edit. David notMD (talk) 04:09, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThethPunjabi The irony of the situation you are edit-warring over is that you first introduced the statement about this person's son being a Jat Sikh (see here), but now you're arguing against that position. Why is that?

What you need to do now is to start a discussion on the article's talk page and obtain consensus and sources to confirm this. If it's a contentious issue which cannot be resolved, it might be better to state nothing at all about his son's ethnic group. I am minded to remove have removed any mention either way, until you are able to agree on statements of fact. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:42, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes I forgot I had added that information into the article. I should have been more careful and read the entire edit history of the article. I guess some editor in the middle of these edits had added the “Ravidas” claim and it was missed and left unreverted for being uncited, I mistakenly mistook it for being part of the article backed-up by citations due to forgetting about the original edit I had made. This was a lapse of judgement on my part. Thanks for this humbling lesson. ThethPunjabi (talk) 09:59, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Not to worry - these things happen. (Note, I have slightly ammended my reply to you now). Nick Moyes (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Nationality Questions

1 - If someone was born in England (for certain) to an Iraqi father and a Ukrainian mother (apparently), moved to Iraq when they were 6 weeks old (for certain), then moved back to England when they were 8 years old (for certain), would you class them as an Category:Iraqi emigrants to the United Kingdom?

2 - Would you class them as British, or British-Iraqi? As the British Iraqis article says "British Iraqis are British citizens who originate from Iraq."

3 - Would you say that categories claiming that England born, mostly England raised, and England living person, is an Iraqi person and a Ukrainian person, an Iraqi person of Ukrainian descent and a Ukrainian person of Iraqi descent, along with their various sub-categories, belong on that article?

I'm asking these questions as I'm debating which categories to remove from an actresses article, who I randomly found out today was born, and mostly raised in my city in England, yet until now, claimed she was an Iraqi actress, with an Iraqi nationality, along with various Iraqi and Ukrainian categories.

The only one I really think could be kept is the British-Iraqi nationality, although as I said it doesn't really work as shown by the heading of the British Iraqis article. British Asian would be better imo. Danstarr69 (talk) 06:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Categories are merely a way to find articles, not in themselves a source of information about someone. People shouldn't be looking at a category-membership and saying "Oh, they're in category Iraqi emigrants to the UK so they must have emigrated from Iraq", they should be thinking "I am interested in people who have moved their life from Iraq to the UK and would like to read about examples of such people". If you look at it that way, it's obvious that categories should include rather than exclude the borderline cases. The reader can always decide that the borderline person isn't quite what they're looking for, when they read the article. But they don't get the chance to make the decision if they aren't aware of the borderline person. Having said that, I have yet to find anyone outside the set of people who edit categories who actually uses them, so I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it myself. Elemimele (talk) 07:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

(1) Yes. (2) Neither (and no alternative, either) until I read how this person regards herself. If her self-description is disputed in reliable sources (which is unlikely), then I'd happily provide no description of this kind. (3) I wouldn't rush to consider this until (2) was sorted out. As for a person "who I randomly found out today was born, and mostly raised in my city in England, yet until now, claimed she was an Iraqi actress, with an Iraqi nationality, along with various Iraqi and Ukrainian categories": if she was born and mostly raised in some city in England, then why should she not be an Iraqi actress, and/or have Iraqi nationality? -- Hoary (talk) 07:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hoary I meant, that's what the article said about her, not what she's said herself.

Why would she not be an "Iraqi actress" with an "Iraqi nationality"?

For the simple fact that she's a 44 year old who's spent 36 of those years living in England, where she was born.

Nationality is where you're born and raised, however she only spent 8 years in Iraq, so I was split on the nationality, especially as the British Iraqis article says "British citizens who originate from Iraq", therefore that sentence suggests it can't include "Iraqi citizens who originate from the UK."

I think that the intro of British Iraqis should be changed to say:

"British citizens who originate from Iraq, or Iraqi citizens who originate from the UK."'

Citizenship is what you get when you've lived in another country for a while, usually around 5 years, unless your parents/grandparents are from that country.

What are the citizenship rules from Iraq? I've no idea.

Did she become a citizen of Iraq when she was living there? I've no idea.

Did she even need to become a citizen to live there, as rules are different for children aren't they?

Iraq is in Asia.

British people refer to every British citizen with Asian parents, or who were born in Asia themselves, as British Asians.

Therefore British Asian is better than British Iraqis to describe her. Danstarr69 (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Danstarr69, your certainty surprises me. As an example, the "is" (rather than, say, "can be used to refer to") within, "Nationality is where you're born and raised". If this is a use of "nationality" (and I'm willing to be persuaded that it is), then it's not one that Merriam-Webster bothers to mention. MW has a set of definitions, among which is 3a: national status specifically : a legal relationship involving allegiance on the part of an individual and usually protection on the part of the state. -- Hoary (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG.

Hii i have a created a wikipage and it has been suggested for deletion with reason: Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. i have done updations as suggested kindly suggest further in this regard wikipage name: Deshbhakti Ke Pavan Teerth Deshbhakti Ke Pavan Teerth

Raksha57, the "PROD" template currently on this describes the situation and gives you various options. I suspect that you haven't read the template properly. Anyway, in the article itself we read for example This travelogue describes the incidents and the facts which have occurred in history [...] in an enthralling manner. If reviews of the book by disinterested reviewers appearing in newspapers, magazines or other periodicals of some stature (not mere blurbs written for the book) have said that the reviewers were enthralled by it, then you are free to specify who these reviewers were and where they said it. Better, you're free to summarize the reasons each reviewer gave for being enthralled, and their comments on aspects of the book that failed to enthrall them. Meanwhile, please delete the current content of User:Raksha57: an improper use of a user page. -- Hoary (talk) 08:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Raksha57, you have said (here) that you own the copyright to the book's cover. How is it that you own this copyright? -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, you are right, i have mentioned that i have the copyright but actually, i know the author, and i have created this webpage after discussing the same with the author. While uploading the photograph i have mentioned that i am the author. That's not correct, could i update this information now? how? Raksha57 (talk) 08:54, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Go to c:File:Deshbhakti Ke Pavan Teerth PBF.jpg, log in (using the same ID and password that you use here) and edit the page so that it is truthful. (NB it's not asking you for the name of the author of the book; it's asking you for the name of the author of the front cover design.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank You. Could you please suggest if i could update the reviews on the books from AMAZON, FLIPKART, etc or reviews have to be from what source? Moreover this book has been honoured by Ministry of Tourism, Government of India. ALso as reference i have updated author's interview [6]https://indiaculture.gov.in/central-secretariat-library-organizing-%E2%80%9Cmeet-author%E2%80%9D-event-26th-december-2021-1130-am-shri-rishi-raj/ which was organized by CSL, Ministry of Culture, Government of India. Raksha57 (talk) 09:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say "reviews by retailers", I said "reviews of the book by disinterested reviewers appearing in newspapers, magazines or other periodicals of some stature". Have there been such reviews? -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, please suggest where is the page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Raksha57&action=edit&section=1 and how could i delete this page. Raksha57 (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand how you were unable to find a page that I linked to. Anyway, I have now deleted it. -- Hoary (talk) 12:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank You so much. Actually I had got that page you had mentioned, but I was not sure where that existed and how to delete that. Sincere Thanks. Raksha57 (talk) 08:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Raksha57 That's confusing -- the link you pasted, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Raksha57&action=edit&section=1 will get you to the page (in edit mode, even)... David10244 (talk) 06:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Raksha57, what @Hoary is saying is that you need to find independent, reliable sources wholly unconnected to your friend's book. Moreover, creating an article with a conflict of interest is very difficult, and most don't get published. (read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest). Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank You, You are right, conflict of interest should not exist. Actually I have created the Wikipedia page and I don't wish to breach rule and regulation. Sorry I at learning stage. Raksha57 (talk) 11:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Raksha57 Yoh have still not corrected the image page as Hoary asked you to do. The author of the book is probably not the copyright holder of the cover image, so that needs to be fixed. David10244 (talk) 06:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Raksha57 Since you have still not corrected the info at the cover image on Commons, I nominated the image for deletion. If what I did wasn't right, any experienced editor, feel free to undo what I did. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 04:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Notable?

Not sure if this goes here but oh well. So I was improving the page Stefon since it's in bad shape in my sandbox, and asked the WP:DISCORD about what I can do to make it better. It turned into an argument of sorts on whether or not he's notable.

There are only two sources that discusses the character in depth [7] [8] but NYPost is not reliable and I'm not sure about CBR. Other than that, there are many other sources talking about the character's appearances on SNL.

So I'm going to ask it here before I waste my time, is Stefon notable? Reply with Yes or No with the reason. I'll check back in a few days. Spinixster (talk) 02:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

The article Stefon has been in existance since 2011, and has had more than 500 edits. It averages about 200 views per day. Why would you possibly think it is not notable? Are you considering starting an AfD? Also, for a long-time article, copying all of it to your sandbox, editing, then replacing the existing version with 'your' version is likely to have your massive change reverted. David notMD (talk) 03:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait, am I not allowed to do that? My version in the sandbox is not that different, it's just copy-edited and with cruft removed. Spinixster (talk) 06:37, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm not considering starting an AfD, just to be clear. I just asked because of an argument on Discord. Spinixster (talk) 06:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Good day, the article seems notable but it definitely needs work. Just skimming through I see a few paragraphs with no citations. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I am not unbiased since I have been watching Saturday Night Live for about 47 years and have certainly seen a majority of the episodes. I believe that the Stephon character is notable. I see no obvious reason to doubt the reliability of CBR, although I am not previously familiar with the publication. They have an editorial board after all, and a history going back to the 1990s. Cullen328 (talk) 04:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I've been working on it in my sandbox. Spinixster (talk) 06:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Spinixster One problem with that approach is what happens if someone else makes an edit to the article after you copied it? If you then replace the whole thing, you'll end up removing their edit. That's why yours will likely get reverted. It's much better to make changes a bit at a time. David10244 (talk) 07:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Well the latest edit (excluding the reference expanding one) is in December, ~2 months ago. If you look at the history, you'll see changes get made every 1 or 2 months or so. That's why I didn't bother doing it right on the article itself. Spinixster (talk) 07:35, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

My approach is to bring a section into my Sandbox, edit there, then return the amended section. This means multiple modest-sized edits versus one massive. For articles raised to GA, it has meant 20, 30, or more separate edits. David notMD (talk) 08:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Well okay then I'll just do that. It is still not much of a difference from the original though, so it's not "one massive" like you said Spinixster (talk) 11:24, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Spinixster Ah, that makes more sense now, although I see you're looking at using the section by section approach, which should be better. David10244 (talk) 04:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Just figured I'd say that I was the one who brought it up on the Discord server mainly because I found it a bit strange that a seemingly random character from SNL had an article (I don't follow SNL whatsoever). So I started questioning the notability and Tenryuu Tarloniel (our local Teahouse IP) suggested Spinixster to show 2 or 3 good sources to prove they were notable since Spinixster said they had looked through the sources. The first source they chose was a WP:NYPOST source which I told them wasn't good. The next source was a CBR source which I did not judge since CBR isn't listed at WP:RSP (and I was tired and didn't check the source myself). The next source was from ScreenRant which is marginally reliable (good for entertainment-related info but not BLP info). So that made me question the notability more. So I guess here we are now. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf, I am, as far as I know, not Tenyruu. Though I suppose they could be lurking somewhere on this IP, along with many others. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Facepalm Tenryuu was the first name that popped into my mind. I knew your name had a T in it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, there are 29 articles in Category:Saturday Night Live characters. Cullen328 (talk) 18:25, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

That category might need trimming. Theres only a few that I feel are actually notable, mainly "Debbie Downer" (because apparently the character came before the phrase) and "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" (because of the memes) purely based on what little I know about SNL. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

The sourcing on Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer is pretty not great. Beaten by GEICO Cavemen, of all things. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I actually agree with you on this one. Perhaps the ones that had movies or series made about them can stay like Pat or David S. Pumpkins.

Also do want to note that not all characters appear in that category since the article they're in are more about sketches. If you go to Template:Saturday Night Live you'll see the full list of characters and sketches.

Oh, and many of those pages need cleanup, including Stefon, thus why I actually started working on it in in the first place. Spinixster (talk) 00:20, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

No Pete Schweddy? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Schweddy Balls! Spinixster (talk) 00:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, there he is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Why are articles removed even when the context is correct?

Why did my article on Indian freedom fighter Laxminarayan Jharwal go into draft? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 02:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

The edit summary says: "Endrabcwizart moved page Laxminarayan Jharwal to Draft:Laxminarayan Jharwal: COI , no meet WP:GNG". Perhaps Endrabcwizart could explain (i) how there's a conflict of interest, and (ii) how a conflict of interest should lead to draftification. Meanwhile, I agree with the charge of lack of evidence for notability. -- Hoary (talk) 02:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

please read Template:COI and WP:GNG. I think this will clear your doubt and help for article creation.Endrabcwizart (talk) Endrabcwizart (talk) 04:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Notability question...

Barry Kent Mackay is a Canadian wildlife artist (http://www.natureartists.com/artists/artist_biography.asp?ArtistID=1283), conservationist (https://www.coyotewatchcanada.com/site/advisor-barry) helping found/run several Canadian conservation organizations, and was previously a Toronto Star columnist (and now contributor... https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2022/10/09/help-keep-endangered-frogs-from-croaking.html) and part of the Uncle Bobby children's television show in the 60's-70's (referenced here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Bobby). Is this considered "notable" enough for his friends, colleagues and former child participants on Uncle Bobby (me) to put together a Wikipedia page for him? G. Michael Bowen (talk) 22:23, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Michael, and welcome to the Teahouse. He may well meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability; but I'm afraid that there is nothing at all in your paragraph above that contributes to establishing this. None of the sources is independent of him, and notability (in Wikipedia's sense) is entirely about published independent material about the subject, not (directly) about what the subject has created or done, or what their associates have published about them. Please read WP:NBIO. ColinFine (talk) 22:37, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

G. Michael Bowen, please read Wikipedia:Notability basics. Cullen328 (talk) 22:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Well I had done that before I wrote. Apparently I didn't well understand what an "independent source" is by Wikipedia's definition, although I find it weird that wikipedia itself isn't considered acceptable. I have to say I also find it bizarre that someone can write newspaper columns for decades, multiple books, illustrate books for others, have their art chosen for inclusion in books by famous people (e.g., Roger Tory Peterson), found and run countless organizations that still exist and make impacts, etc etc but only be considered "notable" if other people have mentioned them in their own writing. Okay, so this review of a book written by someone else that BKM created the illustrations for mentions his work, is *that* considered an acceptable source for notability?

https://www.stevedonoghue.com/review-archives/book-review-the-double-crested-cormorant G. Michael Bowen (talk) 01:26, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

That's a self-published blog, so it isn't a usable source. Even aside from that, it doesn't contain any signficiant detail. Notability on Wikipedia can seem strange at first, but consider that our core policies (WP:V, WP:DUE, WP:NOR, etc.) all assume the existence of independent sources. Without those sources, there really is no way to write a policy-compliant article. MrOllie (talk) 01:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, blogs aren't usable sources. And there needs to be significant detail. Got it. Checking into a few others of his era whose obits are cited as sources in their wikipedia pages I guess we'll have to wait until Barry is dead and has obits written in credible news sources before we can proceed. Interesting learning about all of this. But I'd encourage you to google his name and read info available about him in non-usable sources, and ask yourself how someone who has been so prominent in Canadian wildlife art circles and Canadian conservation activism and publishing (how many columnists have a column for 2-1/2 decades?) is completely unable to meet the criteria that Wikipedia requires. Cheers. G. Michael Bowen (talk) 04:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Having looked at Uncle Bobby, I'm afraid there are serious problems with that article. The main one is that it has only one reference, so most of the content (including Mackay's participation) is unsourced. It is also unclear whether it is about the person or the programme; and it fails to establish that either of these meets the criteria for notability.

One more thing to think about if you were a participant: it is possible that you have a conflict of interest in writing about him (which doesn't bar you from doing so, but means you need to be aware of the implications). However, that would depend on how closely involved you were with Mackay, and may not be an issue. It would for his friends and colleagues, though. ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I have converted an external link in Uncle Bobby to a reference (and rescued it from the Internet archive), but the article still has the problems I mentioned. ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Uh, well I was a participant on Uncle Bobby 55 years ago. I'm not sure how that would create a conflict of interest. G. Michael Bowen (talk) 00:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

G. Michael Bowen, if you once participated in the TV show and are unable to understand and accept that you have a conflict of interest, then you should not be editing any Wikipedia articles related to your personal life in any way. Do you think that conflicts of interest expire after "X" number of years? Hint - they don't. Cullen328 (talk) 07:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, while that is definitely a COI, it is a fairly minor one. I would not expect a new editor to grasp the subtleties of what constitutes a conflict of interest right away. Was that harsh tone really needed?

To expand a bit, G. Michael Bowen: a conflict of interest is an objective situation - being a member of the family, an employee of a company, etc. which, objectively, could encourage someone to do biased edits (even if it does not necessarily lead to biased editing). That is why we ask for disclosure. Being a talk show contestant qualifies.

Having a COI is no bar to editing, it just means you need to be more careful. What we really care about is that editors (such as you and me) try to be as unbiased as possible when making edits. But that is a subjective criterion, impossible to evaluate. All that can happen is a posteriori: if one does many biased edits and ignore suggestions to self-correct, then editing restrictions will be imposed from the outside. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@G. Michael Bowen. on sources in a case like this, google isn't the end of it. WP:OFFLINE and WP:PAYWALL is fine. Check Archive.org [9], and sites like Proquest and Newspapers.com if you can get access, perhaps via a local library? If we can have an article on this guy, we should. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Article creation

I'd like to find a constructive solution to the discussions on the stubs. Why not raise the bar for article creation? The requirements on who can create an article will stay the same, an article would need to have at least 10 phrases to be published? If something is notable, there should be 10 phrases on it I believe. Anyone knows if a similar discussion took place? Or anyone has something to add I have of?Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:06, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Paradise Chronicle, and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place for that sort of discussion is WP:VPP - but it wouldn't surprise me if it had been discussed enough already to appear at WP:PERENNIAL (I haven't looked). ColinFine (talk) 00:12, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Didn't find anything at WP:PERENNIAL. Would be surprised too if this wasn't brought up in any of the many stub related discussions, but I followed a few long ones rather actively and and as far I remember, it was not one of the proposals at the time.05:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC) Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, can you please point us to some software that counts phrases? 126.33.111.187 (talk)

Wordcounter for example. It also counts phrases.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:19, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

• A mere numerical threshold would be easy to game, but "needs to require significant content" or similar wording could be found. More fundamentally, some people (including myself) think that there can be notable topics about which there is little of value to say. It is still better to say that little, than to say nothing at all. That is not exactly a new debate - in the 18th century, someone wanted to have an article about Aguaxima even if it was low in information, and Diderot ranted a bit. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:42, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Why my edits at Flags of micronations have been deleted? What flags can I place there?

I got most of the micronations from Wikimedia. Like Gold Island, Kugelmugel, Kekistan etc. But what are the available flags I can place there? Flag Creator (talk) 11:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Why have they been deleted, Flag Creator? AndyTheGrump explained. See the comments in the page history. What flags can you place there? If these aren't "micronations", or if they are "micronations" but don't have flags, then you can't place any flags for them. -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

publishing a biography

why can't i get approval to publish a biography HanifaNaveed (talk) 11:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

HanifaNaveed, you mean Draft:Dave Elkington? It was deleted for "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, HanifaNaveed. Please read What Wikipedia is not and WP:NBIO. ColinFine (talk) 12:23, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Groups on Wikipedia

Can I create personal groups on Wikipedia, or is it disallowed? 2: Can I create personal experiment subpages with my User:Username? =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 13:29, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, UwU, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you mean by "personal groups". Wikipedia is not social media, and communication between editors is encouraged for the purpose of improving Wikipedia There are WikiProjects for collaboration on particular topics, and editors who join them (which is usually a matter just of adding their own names to the list of members). You can start a discussion somewhere (on an article's talk page, or your own talk page) and ping particular editors to invite them to join. But there is no concept of a place (for discussion or any other purpose) which is visible to only certain people.

You can indeed create user subpages to experiment, as long as they are within the bounds permitted by WP:UPYES. ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you User:ColinFine; I appreciate it. =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 13:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Best practices for editors familiar with vim?

Good evening,

I've spent a lot of time with vim and LaTeX, and the combination of MediaWiki + template + html markup is more or less intuitive. However, using the default source editor makes some things more difficult than I'm used to. For example, consider this reflist:

==Cites==
{{reflist |refs=
  <ref name="Van Hoesen" >
    {{cite journal
      |last1   = Van Hoesen
      |first1  = Henry B.
      |title   = The Bibliographical Society of America—Its Leaders and Activities, 1904–1939
      |year    = 1941
      |jstor   = 24297076
      |journal = Papers of the Bibliographical Society of America
      |volume  = 35
      |issue   =  3
      |pages   = 177–202
    }}
  </ref>
}}

The tab key doesn't work, of course—I'm in a web browser. Hitting space twice after a character inserts an unwanted fullstop. (Update: This is an OSX issue and is not fixed, thanks Hoary! 00:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)) And of course I don't have all of the vim keybindings that are part of my muscle memory now.

Is there a way of getting some or most of the vim functionality enabled in the source editor? If not, is there a workflow that's better than editing a local file in vim and then copying and pasting into the editor?

I know I can't be the first person to trip on this, but I'm not seeing anything after a modicum of poking around.

Many thanks,

Elizabeth Shiprock (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Elizabeth Shiprock, "Hitting space twice after a character inserts an unwanted fullstop": not when I use the default editor within Firefox, it doesn't. (And I don't understand why you'd want to insert tabs or additional spaces.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hoary,

Ah, good to know that double-space behavior is browser- or OS-specific.

As to why I want to add extra spaces, here's the reflist above without extra space.

==Cites==
{{reflist |refs=
<ref name="Van Hoesen" >
{{cite journal
|last1=Van Hoesen
|first1=Henry B.
|title=The Bibliographical Society of America—Its Leaders and Activities, 1904–1939
|year=1941
|jstor=24297076
|journal=Papers of the Bibliographical Society of America
|volume=35
|issue=3
|pages=177–202
</ref>
}}

I find this much more difficult to read, and I think you probably would as well. (Did you catch the error I introduced? The extra space makes it obvious.)

Thanks for the help,

Elizabeth Shiprock (talk) 00:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Elizabeth Shiprock, you have of course "forgotten" (feigned forgetting) the closing of the CITE template. I don't find the second version harder to read than the first. I will concede that if the nesting were more complex, then indentation of the source code would be a big help. Incidentally, have you set up WP's own editor to allow syntax highlighting? I have, and it's a big help. (Unfortunately, I've forgotten how I did this. I'd expect it to be an option within "Preferences | Editing", but it isn't. I see "Preferences | Gadgets | Editing | Syntax highlighter", but this isn't enabled.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Found it! It's the "highter" icon between the "insert template" icon and the "advanced" menu. Thanks!

Elizabeth Shiprock (talk) 01:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Good. I find it flawed (no surprise), but definitely worthwhile nevertheless. -- Hoary (talk) 02:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Elizabeth Shiprock, there are two much more pressing problems with the article you're working on: an unreferenced list of presidents (the most recent list among the lists), and an almost complete lack, I think, of any citation of a source from outside the society itself. (A possibly independent source is referenced twice, but not obviously for anything about the society itself.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hoary.

Oh, I'd say there are several pressing problems.

• There's a bit of plagiarism in the first paragraph.
• There's not much in the way of citations that would establish notability (fixable, but needs to get done).
• There doesn't appear to be a list of presidents after 1980, and as you pointed out, they'll need individual cites. That led to me playing around with reflist and getting frustrated with the lack of vim mappings.

Couple of less-pressing problems:

• The category of past presidents is incomplete.
• There's not a list of notable books the Society published.
• Some images would be nice.

So yeah, it's a fixer-upper, but it's eight hours better than the article I pulled up this time yesterday.

Elizabeth Shiprock (talk) 01:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Excellent, Elizabeth Shiprock. (I hadn't looked at the history for the timing.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

If you want to use an external editor, firefox has addons which make that possible (e.g. textern) – this is what I do for complicated edits where having a proper text editor would be useful. There's also at least one addon which allows you to edit textfields with neovim directly in firefox. Similar addons may be available for other browsers. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Caeciliusinhorto-public: have you checked Help:Text editor support? MKFI (talk) 14:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Odd redirection

the page Louis Alexandre Berthier redirects to Uncyclopedia's Napoleon Bonaparte article. it seems to be on PC. is there anyway for me to fix this on my end? Pizzapenguins (talk) 21:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Pizzapenguins. The problem must be with your computer. The article displays normally to me, and there is nothing unusual in the recent edit history. Cullen328 (talk) 22:24, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

It fixed itself a couple minutes after I posted this, thx anyway Pizzapenguins (talk) 22:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pizzapenguins, there was some vandalism over the weekend which got corrected fairly quickly (others reported it elsewhere). Thanks for reporting it too. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I am Intrested New wikipedia aritcle (The Land Of Skulls) 2021 film directed by Farhan Rana Rajpoot

There is someone The my best brother who listens to me is here. Be able to convince him of what I say!! Listen to my plea Mrs Farhan RR (talk) 08:18, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I find it hard to understand what you're saying, Mrs Farhan RR. What you write elsewhere is a little easier to follow. You want to publicize a film. However, Wikipedia is not a PR conduit. Please try some other website. -- Hoary (talk) 08:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I want to say That you should befriend me from Pakistan in the system. And you said Mrs Farhan RR (talk) 08:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

INFO: "The Land of Skulls" (2021 film) was a draft, then an article, then a draft; deleted because it was created by a blocked editor. Mrs Farhan RR is free to attempt a draft about the film. David notMD (talk) 10:42, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

The account has been globally locked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:08, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Why my draft was declined

Hi I was wondering why my draft Code of Everand was declined? THaywood (talk) 16:13, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@THaywood Well, there is a fair bit of explanation right there at the declined draft. But in addition to that, I notice that there are no actual References. You have three External Links, and one link that you've placed under the References heading. But References are supposed to link from the article, in the usual manner of numbered footnotes, to support specific things that you say in your article. Nothing in your article is specifically supported by references; the one Reference you provide amounts to another External Link, under a different label. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

SABRE Roads

Hello there. I was wondering if I could copy from SABRE Roads if I put it into my own words. I have asked this question to experienced road article editors before, but I have been given mixed answers, depending on who you ask. Could someone please tell me the final answer, so I can but this query to bed - BTW I was at WP:ANI for copying from this website back in August, however if I did it again, then I don't want to potentially get banned for doing something stupid. Thank you in advance. Roads4117 (talk) 14:54, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

That's pretty easy to comprehend; you can do that (if you summarize it or rewrite the script). I may be report for this if I'm wrong. =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 15:29, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Roads4117. On Wikipedia there is rarely a "final answer". First, most decisions are open to discussion, and consensus can change; secondly, general questions "Can I do this?" without specifying the precise details are often unanswerable, as so much will depend on the precise details.

Does WP:PARAPHRASE help? ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. Roads4117 (talk) 16:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Ref and EL

Hello. I was wondering what the difference was between a reference and an external link? Thank you in advance. Roads4117 (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Roads4117 You might want to look at 1) any substantial article (to see how the references are linked to specific statements in the article), and 2) the response I gave to THaywood just a few minutes ago and two topics above this one; this THaywood is apparently another English(wo)man who wants to write about Road topics. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

OK then - thanks for that feedback :) Roads4117 (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Search Funktion for Wikipedia Tonics

Something has changed: When I used to log into Wiki, there was a place at the top of the page on the right to gut in a Tonic in which I was internste. What happened to that? New I get a page about enteering or correcting Information on Wiki. I want to use the site. Britsubenc (talk) 19:29, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Britsubenc, welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, the default display for Wikipedia was recently changed. The search box is now center-left at the top of the screen. If your browser window is very narrow, you may only see a magnifying glass icon. Since you have an account, you can switch back to the old display format in your preferences. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Where can I start an Articles for Creation?

--My tightness (talk) 19:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Please visit WP:AFC. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Good Article nomination

The Battle of Shiloh has been a good article nomination since October 2022. I can understand how someone would not want to review it, since it is a long article for a complicated battle. However, it does not seem to be moving up in the "line" of Good Article nominations. What is causing that? This is an article that had over 29,000 views in the last 30 days. TwoScars (talk) 16:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Note that as of January 2023, the order in which the nominations are sorted has changed. Nominators who have no promoted GAs are sorted at the top of each section, in descending order of the number of GA reviews they have performed. Then nominators who have at least one promoted GA are listed, in descending order of the ratio of reviews they have performed to the number of GAs they have had promoted. For example, a nomination by a nominator who has 5 GAs and has done 10 reviews is listed above a nomination by a nominator who has 10 GAs and has done 5 reviews.. Your article isn't moving up the list because you have only done a single GA review, but have many GAs. -- asilvering (talk) 17:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the info -- good to know. TwoScars (talk) 17:43, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Ouch - that is going to hurt me, as 19 GAs and have done no GA reviews. Needto find out if this is like DYKs, where there is a strict quid pro quo, or just where in the list it appears, but not a queue, so GA reviewers can pick which they decide to do next. David notMD (talk) 19:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

It's the latter - it's just about where you are in the list, no strict quid pro quo. I can see the reasoning for this but for me as a reviewer it's made the list basically unreadable to me and I've switched to using the other, much more detailed list instead, because at least that one will tell me what the most recent additions are. -- asilvering (talk) 20:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Astronomy

What's a good outline to follow when a novice wants to study Astronomy? 2600:1702:51C2:ED10:15DC:C79D:61F2:61FE (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Besides the obvious - reading Astronomy and following the various links therein - you could also check out Outline of astronomy. If you have questions and can't find an article which answers them, you could try asking at RD/Science. If you're looking for off-Wikipedia resources, RD/Science might be able to name you some good places to start learning the basics. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Wrong info on wiki

My name is Wally Green and all my pictures etc are linking to a page of someone who is deceased and his name Is actually Walter Green but its under Wally Green how can i change this its really annoying that people keep telling me that it says that im a dead motorcycle racer please help Wallygreennyc (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

This is simp[ly an article on someone who shares the same name as you. You can hardly expect Wikipedia to delete or change an article because someone else has the same name. If anyone tells you you are a dead motorcyclist, I think you both know that they are wrong. Moons of Io (talk) 04:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

hi @Wallygreennyc and welcome to the Teahouse! unfortunately we cannot do anything about this until and unless there is a separate Wikipedia article about you (since there currently is none, and people share the same names occasionally). if there is, then that page can be disambiguated to something like Wally Green (biker) and the article on you would be somewhere like Wally Green (table tennis player). the solution is not to replace the existing Wally Green with information about you, as not only is it intended to cover the biker and not you, it is also discouraged to write an autobiography for yourself as well (instead, it's recommended for someone completely unrelated and unaffiliated to you to write it due to the lack of a conflict of interest, and no asking someone to write an article on your behalf does not count). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Wallygreennyc, if people keep telling you that the article Wally Green says that you are a dead motorcycle racer, perhaps they are not very bright or (more likely) they're just making a (remarkably dull) little joke. In your place, I might respond, "So I have already been told, many times." Feel free to yawn as you say this. You ask for help. Would you like the article to be headed Note: This article is not about any person named Wally Green who was not a motorcycle speedway racer, born 1918, died 2006? That's not going to happen, because anyone with at least half a working brain would assume this and wouldn't have to be told this. Wikipedia doesn't like to encumber articles with what's blazingly obvious. -- Hoary (talk) 04:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Wallygreennyc Adding to the above, if this is about what you see on Google (Google Knowledge Graph), that is a Frankenstein's Monster made by Google algorithms, Wikipedians have no control over that. There is a "Feedback" link under it, you can try that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure this is on topic, but I started Wally Green (table tennis). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Penn fishing reels

Have Penn fishing reels ever been manufactured outside the USA? Bttrfl (talk) 02:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Bttrfl Penn Reels does not say anything. You're out of luck on Wikipedia, see if any of the references, or maybe its official website, mention the manufacturing location.

Please note this forum is intended for questions on how to use or edit Wikipedia, not general knowledge questions, which can be asked at the reference desk. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Cannot find homepage in English Version

https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5:%E3%83%9B%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8&namespace=-1#/homepage/suggested-edits May I ask for an English version of this page? I cannot seem to find it. AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

hi @AlphaBetaGammsh and welcome to the Teahouse! Your editor homepage should be located at Special:Homepage, which can also be accessed in a tab (next to userpage and talk) in your own user page. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Declining my draft

Why was my draft Aysha Renna declined even it had multiple verified sources with direct mentions. I feel the action to be biased from the editor. This is least expected in a space like wikipedia IbnAliyar (talk) 22:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You are promoting Aysha Renna. Example: During the protests, Aysha Renna emerged as a prominent voice and a fearless leader. Please note you are expected to be neutral on Wikipedia. If a reliable source says she is a prominent voice and a fearless leader, then say so-and-so says she is a "prominent voice and a fearless leader". Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:30, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I have given proper attributions for the quote and given citations too. Is this the sole reason why it got declined? IbnAliyar (talk) 22:34, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

There are also grammar issues, which need to be copyedited. You are a little stylistically off, for example using subsections (===) instead of sections (==), capitalizing all words in section names instead of sentence case, putting citations before instead of after periods, using external links outside of the proper section ... A not-so-simple guide is at WP:MOS.

You cannot say During the protests, Aysha Renna emerged as a prominent voice and a fearless leader. You must say who said that. The source you have linked does not directly mention this, but instead has Aysha Renna herself describing her protests. By the way, interviews do not count for notability. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@IbnAliyar -- @Sungodtemple is right; the referenced article does not say she was a "fearless leader". David10244 (talk) 11:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

You might also want to read WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E. You certainly don't need to worry about her being "low profile", and it doesn't look like her connection to the event is weak. But the first one, about only being notable in the context of one event, might cause you some trouble. -- asilvering (talk) 23:11, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Page keeps getting rejected

Hi, an article I am trying to publish keeps getting rejected despite all primary, secondary and tertiary sources being compliant with your guidelines. I want to better understand where I am going wrong. Please help. Page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shanti_Raghavan Starshinegalaxy (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Starshinegalaxy The core requirements for good sources are listed at WP:42. I suspect that most of those in your draft do not meet the criterion that they be WP:INDEPENDENT of Raghavan, since they are mainly based on interviews with her. These sources do not contribute to her notability, which is the issue highlighted by the reviewers. There are other problems, for example that many facts (such as some of her awards) are not cited and the citations that are given are simple weblinks, not properly formatted as {{cite news}} or similar to give credit to their authors. You clearly personally know Raghavan, since you have uploaded a picture of her that you took and this may have lead you to use an inappropriate WP:TONE for the draft. Also, you definitely need to read this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Starshinegalaxy Small note: Declined (what has happened to the draft) is not as severe as Rejected, but after too many Declines, the next reviewer may decide that no significant progress is being made, and Reject the submission. The reviewers call for better references. You could leave a message on the Talk page of the last reviewer, asking if any of the existing refs qualify. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library?

I received a notification (10-15 min ago) that I am now eligible for access to the Wikipedia Library, but the message has vanished. I'm perplexed. In my haste and excitement, I may have made a false move, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it might have been or how to roll it back. (It seems as if another message or two may also have gone missing as well.) Any thoughts? Thank you, Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Ionic Ludicrous, they are not asking about page moves, they are asking about notifications. None of this seems particularly relevant to their question. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought false move as in: "Moved a wrong page." =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Ionic Ludicrous, no, that is a figure of speech - see here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I need to stop taking things literally. =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

🤦 =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cl3phact0. If you go to WP:Library, it will tell you all about it. ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: Your first edit was 30 August 2022. I don't know exactly how the 6 months at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org are calculated but I guess you saw MediaWiki:Notification-header-twl-eligiblity. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: The bottom line on this is that your Wikipedia participation (e.g. as an editor) has made you eligible to access a variety of resources (e.g. database) that are, in aggregate, referred to as the Wikipedia library. But it is not necessarily straightforward to do so. As an example, you can sign up to access JSTOR. This is great, but I have not really found anywhere that explains that you don't access JSTOR by logging into it or by going to some special page... instead, you have to sign up for it (see the Wikipedia page, I guess), and then use a modified url.

Each of the resources has its own unique mechanism. Presumably, there's a simpler way to do this by using a proxy, this is mentioned on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:The_Wikipedia_Library/Archive_7. But so far as I know, every resource has its unique access mechanism. This can be quite helpful, if you want to look at certain types of sources, but as I say, the mechanism varies with each resource. Perhaps somebody will tell me that I'm just plain wrong. Fabrickator (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, Fabrickator, how I access Jstor: From the Wikipedia Library, I click on "JSTOR | Access collection". This takes me to Jstor. That's it; I'm there. All very simple. -- Hoary (talk) 21:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, Hoary I don't think that works for what I consider to be the typical use case, i.e. I have a jstor link from a reference in a Wikipedia article. Your way, I have to find the Wikipedia Library page, find the jstor listing, and ultimately copy the jstor reference number. All I want to do is access the link.

My alternative is to replace the part of the url preceding "/stable" with

https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org

. Under certain conditions, it will prompt me to login to the applicable WMF site, but I find this contortion is at least a little bit easier than remembering the other sequence. (This would actually be fixable if I would do something to override the {{jstor}} template.) OTOH, my solution is specific to jstor and I don't know whether solutions for other sources would be something similar or something completely different. I think it's sort of a bait and switch. Wikipedia Library promises some degree of access, but the access is unnecessarily complex. Fabrickator (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Fabrickator, I wish it were slightly simpler. But it's simple enough for me, perhaps in part because anything described as being at JSTOR is likely to be at least fairly long and complex, and thus requiring some digestion, which takes time. Percentagewise, the extra time needed to access the paper seems insignificant. WL promises some degree of access, and one gets a good level of access. I have not encountered any switch. -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you (all) for this information. It may take me a bit of time to work through and absorb the nuances re: Wikipedia Library, but I look forward to having access to these additional resources.

Ionic Ludicrous, apologies for the ambiguous language and mixing both my curiosity about the above and my confusion about disappearing notification message(s) in the same thread. Appreciate your help. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Need Suggestion for Contribution

From some time ago, I've been browsing through new pages on Wikipedia and have stumbled upon several articles that don't comply with Wikipedia's policies and lack proper references. Some of these articles have been labeled for the draft, while others have been marked for deletion. Although I find Twinkle's XFD feature helpful, I haven't been able to locate the option to move a page draft and suggest it for the AFC process while notifying the creator. Can you please suggest the easiest way to accomplish this task using a tool? which helps the creator get a second chance to improve their article. Endrabcwizart (talk) 04:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Endrabcwizart: you can use User:Evad37/MoveToDraft for this purpose. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Just a comment, do be careful with draftification like this. In many cases it is preferable to send to AfD. Firstly, if the article has already been draftified and returned to main-space it should not be redraftified (because it's clear at this stage that at least one person is contending the draftification, so it's time to seek consensus, and AfD is the ultimate discussion-venue on whether an article is ready for main-space). Secondly, if you choose to draftify, in effect you are taking the full moral responsibility for deleting the article. There is no guarantee that the article's creator will notice, or do anything. Draft space is supposed to be a place for writing and improving articles, not a mechanism for their deletion, a place where they can be quietly dumped in the hope that six months later they disappear still more quietly. A poorly-referenced article on a probably-notable subject is more likely to be improved through AfD than draftification. Elemimele (talk) 12:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Criteria for listing in Disambiguation pages.

Should something that doesn't have a Wikipedia article be listed on a Disambiguation page? or is it only if there is something about it on Wikipedia?

Specific case: I wondered if the movie Bloodsport_(film) was based on the science fiction novel "Bloodsport" by William R. Burkett, Jr. It isn't. The novel is not listed on the Bloodsport_(disambiguation) page. I thought of adding it, but am not sure it is appropriate.

I couldn't find anything on Wikipedia for William R. Burkett, Jr. or his better known science fiction novel "Sleeping Planet."

Digressing, would it be appropriate to add a page for Mr. Burkett, or would he be too minor an author? Cptbutton (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cptbutton: Heh heh! As it happens, Burkett has a Wikidata entry, but he has no articles on any language version of Wikipedia. Furthermore, at least on enwiki, we generally don't include a "non-existent" entry on a disambiguation page.

Furthermore, the presence of an entry in Wikidata doesn't mean that it meets the notability criteria for enwiki, even though it might seem surprising to you that Burkett wouldn't surely be considered notable. So you are welcome to attempt to make the case for his notability, but there is no assurance of success. Also, please keep in mind, I am a mere editor, so you can never be sure that I know what I'm talking about. Fabrickator (talk) 00:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Cptbutton, you wonder if it would be appropriate to add a page for William R. Burkett, Jr. He appears to be a recent author, so I'd expect that web pages would be enough to indicate his significance. Please provide the URLs of three non-commercial web pages (reliable sources, independent of Burkett), that discuss him or his works in depth, and we can evaluate his "notability" from the quality of these three. -- Hoary (talk) 01:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

"A recent author" – not really, he started publishing Science Fiction in 1965, though he was still active in 2015. He hasn't been very prolific (4 novels and 1 short story over that period), so I doubt that he's WP:Notable on their strength: I have no knowledge of his notability in his main profession of journalist. SFE and ISFDB have entries on him, of course. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 12:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

The guiding principle for disambiguation pages is that they should help the reader find information in Wikipedia. As such, they shouldn't include items where there is no information to find. But if you were to write an article about Mr Burkett, it would be quite appropriate for you to include his novel "Bloodsport" in the bloodsport disambiguation page (wikilinking to the Burkett article which will presumably mention that he authored the book) if you believe that readers might look for it there. The novel might not have sufficient notability or material to be worth a complete article, but in this instance, there would be information in Wikipedia that a reader might want to find, using the search-term "Bloodsport", and that's enough for a disambiguation page entry. Elemimele (talk) 13:02, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

how can i write an article about a Famous Musician ?

there is a DJ i want to write about him. Source : https://g.co/kgs/XeXN6K

thank you so much Shiva.kk22 (talk) 14:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Shiva.kk22, see WP:YFA. Creating a new article is a very hard task, be warned. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Shiva.kk22: See Your first article for the procedure. You will need some better sourcing though - (Google) Searches are highly dynamic and personalized and as such don't qualify as a reliable source, though the search results might or might not be reliable. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Shiva, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

General advice on creating an article is at your first article. I will pick out three things in particular to mention:

1. Absolutely the first thing to do in creating an article is to look for the reliable independent sources that talk in some depth about the subject, because if you cannot find those then the person does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability and all further time and effort that you or anybody else spend on it will be wasted.
2. Writing a Wikipedia article is one of the hardest things to do for new editors. I always advise spending a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making small improvements to some of our existing six million articles, before trying it.
3. When a person comes here and immediately tries to create an article, it very often means that they are connected with the subject, (or are the subject themselves) and their purpose is increasing that subject's web presence. If any of those is the case for you, please note that creating an article with a conflict of interest is even harder than usual, because you will need to forget everything you know about the subject and write only one the independent sources say. If you are Djdarki, then please read why writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged. And if your purpose is indeed telling the world about Djdarki, then that is called promotion, and is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia.

ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Footnotes

Dora Diamant didn't have a single endnote. Not one alleged fact had a source. I've never seen a Wikipedia article like that before, and I don't know how it could be. (The article has a section titled "References," but it has what would normally be called "Further reading" if there were any books or articles cited in endnotes, in a section titled "References.") As a small beginning, I added two endnotes, which incorrectly appear at the end of the article. Would someone please move them to a new section titled "Notes"? Or the new section could be titled "References" if the current "References" section were retitled as "Further reading." Maurice Magnus (talk) 04:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus On "how" the answer is that it was started in 2005 and rules were different then. These articles will linger in such a state until someone notice/does something about them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus I've fixed the separation between the "References" and "Further reading" sections. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Roger (Dodger67) Thanks. I moved the Kathi Diamant book from "References" to "Further reading," and I alphabetized the books. One more thing needs to be done, which I don't know how to do: Remove the template message above "Further reading." It says that there are an excessive number of books, but there are only three. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC) Let me add that I am not being lazy in asking another editor to remove the template message. I read the directions, and I tried by clicking "Edit source," but I didn't see the template message when I did so. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus I reverted it because a cited work is never listed in "Further reading" because it is already used in the article. There is a simpler way to have multiple references of different pages of a book, I might change it accordingly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dodger67 We could put all the details about the book (publisher, year, etc.) the first time it is cited in References.

Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus OK I'll set it up that way. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Someone else has already done it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, there are many articles without sources - see Category:All articles lacking sources. Your work to improve articles is appreciated! GoingBatty (talk) 14:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

AI Humoid Content

For advanced robotic systemd being deploy into the S.T.E.M field that emulate or simulate human behaviors, whom invent or deploy scientific theory, if unproven or replicated with consensus backing. How does Wikipedia handle this content [AIGENSCIENCE]or label/ID AIGEN content? thanks. Gray00x (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Gray00x, welcome to the Teahouse. If the AI submitted their research to a peer-reviewed scientific journal and it was subsequently published by them, it would be treated like any other content published by a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Otherwise, it would likely find no place here, unless perhaps the mainstream news media decided to publish articles about the AI itself. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Where can I get training to create wiki content?

I am a college professor trying to get training for me and my students to create wiki pages for scholars of color... is there a place or person that can provide such training (we can even pay for their time, as we know that people are busy).

Thanks for your help.

Yolanda Martinez San Miguel 2600:1700:36E1:5C20:9919:D836:2DCE:6F72 (talk) 14:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hopefully WP:TUTORIAL and Wikipedia:Education program will be of some help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I also suggest reviewing Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

The WP:Education program exists specifically for your situation, so do sign in there after registering a username. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

editing

when i translate a page in nepali i found multiple mistake but as i tried to edit nepali page it convert to english.how can i edit page pls help.I am new to wikipedia Upadhayasagar (talk) 02:21, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Are you trying to start with an article in Nepali Wikipedia and create an English translation in English Wikipedia? David notMD (talk) 03:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

No.It was in english originally and as i translate page i found mistake. Upadhayasagar (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Upadhayasagar Judging by your global contributions you have been taking content from Shiva Panchakshara Stotra and trying to translate it into Nepali for their corresponding article. You need to follow the guidance at WP:TRANSLATEUS and note that although there is a tool to help with the translation it does require you are familiar with both languages so you can check the translation is correct. Of course, if you notice an error in our English article that needs updating, you can be WP:BOLD and make the change here, provided you have a source for the new information or it is an obvious typo. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Upadhayasagar (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

What to do with failed verification

I am editing Kimberlé Crenshaw's page where one citations (#12) read [failed verification]. I found another source and cited it but I was wondering if I should delete the one that had the failed verification message? Acb2025 (talk) 14:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Acb2025 Yes, remove the failed reference (and the tag too). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Acb2025 (talk) 15:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Is .org a reliable source?

I am working on improving sources and I was wondering if .org websites are reliable sources? Specifically AAPF It was unclear in the Wiki training about these types of sources. I would appreciate some feedback and guidance. Thanks Acb2025 (talk) 15:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Acb2025, welcome to the Teahouse. A website's domain - .org, .com, .gov, etc. - doesn't have much bearing on whether it's reliable or not. An organization's website can be used for some types of information about the organization itself (per WP:SELFPUB and the following section on that page), but an article should not start to rely heavily on that information. Independent secondary sources are always preferred. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Acb2025: Taking a quick peek at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for some examples, I see Amnesty International (amnesty.org) is considered reliable but GlobalSecurity.org is not. GoingBatty (talk) 15:50, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I can't find any discussion there or in the archives about the reliability of the African American Policy Forum, and our article doesn't say much about their editorial policy, so I can't comment on how reliable a source the AAPF might be, @Acb2025. You can start a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard about the AAPF's reliability, if you like. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding new content without a source

Do you recommend adding content even if you don't have time to add the source (but can do so later)? Or does that confuse the process? Thanks! Glowingantelope (talk) 02:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Glowingantelope. This may have been acceptable in the "Wild West" early days of Wikipedia 20 plus years ago, but is a bad practice in 2023. These days, the references to reliable sources should come first. Then, write the content that summarizes what the reliable sources say. Then, add it to the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 02:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense! Thanks. Glowingantelope (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Glowingantelope Your personal sandbox at User:Glowingantelope/sandbox (currently a redlink you can click to create) is an ideal place to develop fragments of material you are working on while you develop text and associated sources. Once you have something fully suitable for the relevant article, you can copy/paste it in. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Got it! This is really helpful. Thank you. Glowingantelope (talk) 16:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Code error

I created an article Government Degree College, Kalakote some days ago. Today when I try to add map location on infobox using | module = {{Infobox mapframe |wikidata=yes |coord={{WikidataCoord|display=i} its is showing error Lua error in Module:Mapframe at line 384: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'lat_d' (a nil value). Is this because my article isn’t reviewed yet or some other reasons because when I tried same parameter on IIT Bombay & IIT Jammu it works. Gorav Sharma‎ 💬 12:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I removed some { to show code otherwise it was showing same error here Gorav Sharma‎ 💬 12:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gorav Sharma: Welcome to the Teahouse! Is there a Wikidata item for this college? GoingBatty (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

No because article isn’t reviewed yet. But I edited many IIT’s articles too, 95% of them gone well but I got same error on some of them like IIT Delhi whose wikidata exist. Gorav Sharma‎ 💬 14:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gorav Sharma: Well, you have specified that {{Infobox mapframe}} should get the coordinates from {{WikidataCoord}} (which means Wikidata). Since there is no Wikidata item for this article yet, the module encounters an error. There are two ways to fix this: 1) specify the coords explicitely using {{Coord}}, or 2) create a Wikidata item containing the coords. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you victor, I fixed it. I was not getting the infobox mapframe template link but you helped. Have a great day ahead 🍻 ‎ Gorav‎ Sharma‎ ^{‎ TALK} 16:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Background fix

Hi there, could someone help me with the border change at User talk:Wikiexplorationandhelping#A barnstar for you!? New mediawiki messages are stuck inside the barnstar section. I'd like it to be separated from the barnstar section, without deleting any borders of any sort. Cheers! Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping:  Done. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Dead link removal

In a certain article there is a citation link to a news post that is no longer available. The website is up, but it returns a 404 for that specific URL. I'm aware of the fact that some links on this website are archived with the Wayback Machine, so I ask this question: how would I "rescue" (if that's the correct term) a dead link used within a citation and have it point to an archived version of the most recently functional/relevant version? - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 16:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@KoolKidz112: You would go to https://archive.org and paste the dead link into the search box there. If you find a page on archive.org that isn't 404 (the site also archives 404 pages), you can replace the dead link with the archive.org link. If the dead link is in a templated citation, you can add the parameter archive_url=https://archive.org/link |archive_date=YYYY-MM-DD into the citation template, substituting actual values for those two fields. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I see. Thank you! - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 17:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Insufficient sourcing

Hello everyone. I'm trying to edit an article for a Draft:Kyler Chua and the reviewer said that the article has insufficient sourcing. I've tried actually using some of the sources from another member of the group (Vinci Malizon) and they were approved. Can you tell me what's wrong? Thank you! Mister.lucky95 (talk) 14:32, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mister.lucky95: Welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a reliable source for his birthday? GoingBatty (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you but unfortunately I don't. Can I just remove that info? Mister.lucky95 (talk) 15:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mister.lucky95 Yes, please remove any material that doesn't meet our policy for biographies of living people. The sources you do use need to be reliable. See WP:RSPS for some examples of those to use or avoid. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

i dont like the new look.

how do i change it? 104.235.124.168 (talk) 03:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Create a user ID, log in under this, change preferences to taste. 126.33.119.142 (talk) 04:08, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1181. Are you asking about a sudden change to Wikipedia's appearance? It is because the default skin has changed from the Vector legacy (2010) skin to the new Vector (2022) skin. If you would like to change back to the old one, you can, as a registered user, click on the in the top-right corner and choose Preferences. Once there, go to Preferences → Appearance → Skins → Vector legacy (2010).
If you would like to leave feedback, you can do so at Wikipedia talk:Vector 2022. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries. You can use different skin colors. Create an account first. I am not sure if this can be done without an account. Cwater1 (talk) 17:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

getting a page made for a family member

Hi!

What is the best route for recommending a page on a person who does not have a page? I realise I can't create one for the person in question as they are a family member.

Thanks!

PS If it helps steer me in the right direction, she is a theatre director, Janni Younge. She is mentioned on these two pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_du_Cap_Theatre_Awards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Arts_Festival

102.222.181.139 (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

What type of page: User, Bio, or Regular? =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

hello, what is the difference between bio and regular? I just meant any page that gives basic facts about her 102.222.181.139 (talk) 13:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

There is no difference between a "Bio" and "Regular", except that the requirements on sourcing are stricter for biographies of living persons. And we don't do "pages that [give] basic facts about" a subject, at least that is not our mission. We do articles that summarise what independent reliable sources say about a subject. ColinFine (talk) 14:06, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm guessing a Biography.... =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 13:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

What year? =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 13:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes I would guess bio too, what year? I don't understand. Thank you 102.222.181.139 (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

(2010 Drama) =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 13:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

UwU please do not answer questions here until you have acquired enough understanding of Wikipedia to give answers that are actually helpful. The OP is clearly asking about an article (not a user page), and I have no idea what you think "Bio or Regular" means. ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Or what relevance you think "What year" might have. ColinFine (talk) 13:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion ColinFine. User:Ionic Ludicrous (talk) 8:20, 27 February 2023 (CST) =ˆUwUˆ= (talk) 14:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. As a family member, you are not forbidden from trying to create an encyclopaedia article about the person (I strongly recommend you think of it in that way, rather than "a page for") but your conflict of interest is likely to make it significantly more difficult for you to do it.

Unfortunately, there is no reliable way to get somebody else to create an article on a subject. In theory, you can put a request in at Requested articles; but in honesty, the take-up there is low. You could ask at (for example) WP:WikiProject Theatre if there is anybody willing to look at an article on your relative.

If you or anybody else does try to create an article, absolutely the first task is to find the independent reliable sources that are an absolute requirement to establish that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:notability, becuase if you cannot find them, there is no point in anybody spending time on the project. So I would recommend you look for those first, and if you decide that she meets the requirements, you can either cite them in your request, or try the challenging task for yourself: if you do the latter, please start by reading your first article. ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that is helpful. Yes, the term encyclopaedia article is accurate, thanks for the correction.

Thank you for the WikiProject Theatre link, I will try that.

I will compile the sources and try my luck there. 102.222.181.139 (talk) 13:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can join Wikipedia. It is best if each family member has their own account. Wikipedia is made possible by contributors like you. Cwater1 (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

HELP

how do i search for a page? 2600:8804:8C40:CBD0:87B0:1F54:A9B2:E460 (talk) 05:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

IP blocked for vandalism. -- asilvering (talk) 06:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You can use the search bar at the top of any Wikipedia page. If you scroll to the top, a rectangular bar will pop up at the top that says "Search Wikipedia". Click it and you can type in the search terms. Carpimaps (talk) 12:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Easy. There is a search box above. Cwater1 (talk) 17:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1, they were already given that information, in the very post you replied to. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Thought I could help too, Cwater1 (talk) 17:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Indigenous names for living things

Is there a policy around noting indigenous names for biota? I recently edited a short paragraph in the taxonomy section noting the Abenaki name for this bird, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-capped_chickadee, to change the tense of a note that the language is still in use. Then, another user deleted the entire note, marking it as "irrelevant". This user has a history of Native American erasure on Wikipedia, according to their Talk page.

Rather than argue the point with them, I want to know if there is a policy around how indigenous names for biota are handled on Wikipedia articles. I can't find one, but I also don't know where to look. Richlitt (talk) 12:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Richlitt, MOS:LIFE says "Non-English vernacular names, when relevant to include..." So when is that? I'm guessing case-by-case local consensus, but there may well be "traditions" here I don't know about. Consider asking somewhere like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds or Wikipedia:WikiProject Animals. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

(ec) @Richlit: as far as I know there is no spelled-out policy or guideline for indigenous fauna/flora name, but there are several considerations that generally accepted (and thus will be applied by other editors). The most uncontroversial convention is that the names dealt with in the lede/opening paragraph should only be drawn from those that are in demonstrable use in English-language sources (see MOS:COMMONNAME) - because we are the English-language encyclopedia. Of these there may on occasion be many, and some of these may even be decidedly non-English (see e.g. Ficus religiosa), but again that only applies in cases where they see lots of demonstrable use in English literature. For use later in the article, some articles have a dedicated naming or etymology section that lists names in indigenous languages, but some discretion is required here as well. E.g., note that lion only treats the derivation of the English and scientific names. That is because there are ~250 different names for the species in African languages, and we can neither list them all, nor is there any good justification to pick out just one or a few for mention. This latter is the problem with your edit adding one Native American name. There must be dozens or possibly hundreds of different names for this bird in different languages in North America. We are certainly not going to list them all. How is this particular one relevant? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Elmidae. I hear you on the "We are on the English-language Wikipedia."

To be clear - I didn't add the original Abenaki name. Someone else did. I was just reverting a change by someone else who had removed it.

This particular note is relevant because Abenaki is an Algonquin language spoken along the east coast of North America, where original settlers would have first seen this bird. The Algonquin and Cree language families/continua are the only two that would be relevant, here - it doesn't look like Cree have a word for this. One could argue that the Black-capped Chickadee's range includes Alaska, where there are other language families, or that Carolina Chickadees are basically morphologically identical, and so any North American language should really work. I don't have an answer for that.

Which is why I was curious if there was a policy. A naming section makes sense, to me.

I am largely curious about this all because deletion of a note on the living, indigenous language's name for this bird with the note "irrelevant" seemed particularly culturally insensitive, given the long history of colonial racism applied against indigenous communities here. I'm aware my personal feelings don't lend themselves towards a better Wikipedia article, but I wanted to check and see if I was missing some policy that we have around noting these things. Perhaps an added note saying "The indigenous name was not adopted by Western scientists or anglophone settlers, although kejegigilhasis also has an onomatopoeic structure" would make it more relevant. Richlitt (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Tripadvisor

I have a question. Is TripAdvisor a reliable source for Wikipedia? Cwater1 (talk) 18:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Offhand, I'd have to suggest no, it is not. No oversight, can be edited by anyone. My 2¢. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  18:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1, the most recent discussion of Tripadvisor at RSN seems to be this one, and the consensus is not in its favor. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay. Thank you, Aloha27 and 119.208.172.35! Cwater1 (talk) 19:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

another question: why is there an article called.... c### and ball torture?

just, why? i know wikipedia can be home to crazy shit but things takes things to a new level 104.235.124.168 (talk) 03:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia has an article on everything! and Wikipedia is not censored. HiLo48 (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

i cant say cock in the heading because it will appear in the url and i have gogaridan on here and i dont wanna get in troublee 104.235.124.168 (talk) 04:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Can you talk about roosters? Or taps? HiLo48 (talk) 04:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

there are weirder articles with many different flavors of weird. even on human sexuality which notably doesn't include CBT. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

There is only one reason why any article in the English Wikipedia exists; when the subject is notable. Article content is subject to more policies and rules than I could (be bothered to) count, but an article's existence is judged by only one rule. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Citations?

How many citations are required and how often through the article. For instance, if you are writing a page and have a paragraph that most of the information comes from a single source do you need to cite each sentence or just at the end of the paragraph? SweetBriar17! (talk) 18:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Philp Lawson (Artist) - Wikipedia SweetBriar17! (talk) 18:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@SweetBriar17! You can put a single reference at the end of a paragraph only if all of the paragraph's content came from that source. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

SweetBriar17!, it's not so much the number of citations that matter, as the quality. You'll need several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of the subject. Draft:Philp Lawson (Artist) currently has five citations, but the first, second and fifth aren't independent, being based on what the Lawson has said, and the third doesn't mention him. (I can't comment on the fourth, as I don't have full access to it.) Maproom (talk) 21:02, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

What are great, perfect, wonderful examples of bios of living people to emulate?

Hi I am getting from the research phase to the writing phase for some bios of living people in my field. But I would like to find the absolute best bio to emulate so I can make sure that my tone, references, etc. are all top notch. Which articles would you recommend? Thank you LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 22:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Deena, I'd look at authors listed at WP:GA to get started. The very best are at WP:FA, but I think those standards are unhelpfully high for writing biographies on people where you don't have FA-levels of information. -- asilvering (talk) 23:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I should add, I like to use James Joyce as my example when asked about author bios. I think this one is a good format because it shows how various sections can expand into sub-sections if needed, and demonstrates how all the additional bells and whistles can work on an author article - like "x and Politics" and "Legacy" and soforth. Normally I would say a decent author article just needs something like "Biography", "Works", and "Legacy", however you want to understand those depending on the person you're profiling. (Basically: how they lived, what they did, what other people think.) If you really want to get specific about how references, tone, etc work, all of that is in WP:MOS, somewhat exhaustively. -- asilvering (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Seeking advice regarding an unsolicited proposal received

Hi all, I have recently received an unsolicited proposal from a Wikipedian who would like to write and publish an article for my employer, but with a fee. The Wikipedian mentioned that all Wikipedia policies will be followed when writing the article including proper citations, neutral tones etc., as well as declaring paid-contribution. I'm not sure if this is an acceptable practice... Can someone help to advise? Thanks much! DragonHappy3000 (talk) 09:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

DragonHappy3000 Hello and welcome. Beware of anything unsolicited. It's possible it could be legitimate, but it's also prettly likely it's a scam. Paid editing is permitted if disclosed, but third parties claiming to offer Wikipedia editing services have varying reputability. The person communicating with you should show examples of their work and tell you their Wikipedia username- and should not ask for money up front. Do not give any money up front. My advice is to ignore the email. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @331dot for the quick reply and advice. The person did mention the fee would only be collected after the article is published, but I agree with you that it is best to stay cautious. Thanks again! DragonHappy3000 (talk) 09:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

DragonHappy3000, if the Wikipedian said "all Wikipedia policies will be followed", they must have disclosed to you from which account they intend to create the article (and which other accounts they used if any): see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure#Disclosures_to_clients. If they did, that allows you to check their previous work (via Special:Contributions). I suspect they did not.

In addition, note that an article being published does not mean it will stay, nor that it will stay the same. We delete dozens of articles each day. The really bad ones get deleted "speedily", the simply bad ones get listed for discussion (here’s the discussion list for today). Of those that get listed, I would say more than half usually end up deleted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:53, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Tigraan and noted your advice above. Appreciate it. DragonHappy3000 (talk) 10:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

You did not specify whether your employer is a company or a person, and if a person, what profession. Standards for company or organization articles are at WP:NCORP. Before considering the offer, is the company/organization/person so well known that content by people with no personal connection has been published? What the c/o/p publishes about itself as website, social media, interviews, press releases, etc. all do nothing to confirm notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. As noted below, WP:42 applies. David notMD (talk) 12:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@David notMDThank you for your comments and noted. DragonHappy3000 (talk) 02:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

About my page (user: ernestkal)

Please let me know when my page will be released in public Erneskal (talk) 05:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Never. Wikipedia is not, and never has been, a platform for publicity or promotion, and your violation of that policy has resulted in an indefinite block on your account. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Number of edits

How do I view the number of edits that another user has made without having to go to the contributions page and manually count the edits? Mast303 (talk) 00:20, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mast303. If you set your WP:PREFERENCES so that Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups is enabled, I believe you can see the total number of edits a user has made when you hover your cursor over their user name as long as their user name is formatted as a WP:WIKILINK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mast303: At the bottom of the contributions page there is a link to the edit count. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

And just so you're aware, the edit count is meaningless for editors who make heavy use of automated tools. It doesn't represent a measure of experience or knowledge in that case. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Finding a discussion in the archives

Some months ago, I read a discussion about a Pakistani source HIP in Pakistan at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard but don't remember who posted it and what was its subject. Now how can I find it in the archived discussions? Thanks. Insight 3 (talk) 05:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Insight 3: Just to the right of the first heading on this page is a small gray box that lets you search the archives of this page. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, found it. Insight 3 (talk) 06:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

...to answer the question, Archive 389 § Hip in Pakistan. The one post by TrangaBellam says it [f]ails WP:NEWSORG and WP:RS. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Insight 3 (talk) 06:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

HotCat not working

Hi. For some time my HotCat is not working. It was working fine till about two months ago and then it suddenly disappeared. I tried disabling and enabling it, however, it still doesn't work. Is there some issue going on with HotCat? I am using Chrome.HRShami (talk) 03:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@HRShami, hmm, that's odd. Do you use any custom user scripts or similar? I'd try reporting it to WT:HOTCAT. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I do use chrome extensions but I don't think any of them would interfere with hotcat. Anyway, I'll disable some extension to see if it works. HRShami (talk) 06:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@HRShami, I think Sdkb meant "internal" Wikipedia:User scripts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

What is the proper channel for...

reporting an article that is categorically invalid. It is full of misquotes and incorrect statements. Sayvoltha (talk) 07:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sayvoltha! It sorta depends. If the title itself is not a topic that should have a page, nominate it for deletion. If it'd just need large chunks removed, feel free to try boldly removing them, or if it's a higher-traffic article proposing on the talk page. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I am a direct descendent of [...]

I am a direct descendent of three people who knew Joseph Smith well and I have documents ( links on my website) from house of research. I am interested in the succession of Brigham Young as it related to Samuel Smith's murder purportedly (per Jon Krakaurs LDS book) by my great-great grandfather Hosea Stout. My mother stole documents about Hosea Stout in the 1960's from my grandmother a grandaughter Hosea Stout. Look at his eyes on his Wiki site. That got me interested in this guy when I was 15. Here is the link for Hosea Stout www.debenhamenergy.com/Stout.pdf Scott Debenham <redacted> www.debenhamenergy.com Hosea Stout (talk) 05:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hosea Stout, I have shortened your title, as it was excessively long and you anyway repeated all of it. Thank you for your offer of information, but you should make this on the talk page of the relevant article. (If the article is Hosea Stout, then on Talk:Hosea Stout.) When you do so, perhaps you should clarify: I for one don't understand either "my grandmother a grandaughter Hosea Stout" or your invitation to "Look at his eyes on his Wiki site." -- Hoary (talk) 05:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Hosea. I suspect you are wanting to contribute some information to Wikipedia. That is great - except that Wikipedia relies on information which has already been published by a reliable source. Unpublished information can never be used in a Wikiepdiaq article, and nor, usually, can information published by an unreliable source. (Debenham energy might possibly be reliable for some kinds of information, but not for family history unconnected with their business). ColinFine (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hosea Stout So you are interested in the succession of Brigham Young. But it's not clear what you actually want to happen here. Hoary and Colin have given good advice. If you can be more explicit about what you want, maybe we can help. David10244 (talk) 08:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism on home page

There is vandalism on the Wikipedia home page. I see it only on my Android phone, and not is the desktop site. It is in the lead for the Featured article, Nigel (bishop of Ely).

On my phone it reads, "Nigel was an 4"2 (sic) angry Italian man KFC slave who served as Dictator of a small island from 1133 to 1169. He came from an family (sic); his uncle Roger of Salisbury...," and it goes on from there.

After typing the above, I discovered I wasn't logged in. After I logged in this vandalism no longer appeared.

I'm not sure what's going on or how to fix it. Dgndenver (talk) 11:20, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dgndenver These things happens, since WP is an open wiki, and most pages can be edited by anyone with an internet connection. Thanks for noticing, you can see at [10] that it was dealt with fairly quickly. More at WP:VANDALISM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello

So for the last hour or so I’ve been developing my user page because I have nothing better to do, and while informing myself on how to do several things related to editing, I stumbled upon a couple of other interesting things to know about Wikipedia. Some of them positive, some of them negative. Now since I’m still sitting on my desk with nothing better to do then to edit some stupid paragraph on my user page, I got the idea of adding a section of problematic things on the website I realized or thought to have realized while informing myself. But before I do something that gets me trouble, I would like to know if it is allowed to put such a list of things that seemed problematic to me on my user page. Reman Empire (talk) 20:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Reman, and welcome! Yes, you can put things that you think could be improved about Wikipedia on your user page. In general, we try to be civil about things of course, but that doesn't mean "free from criticism". The list of things that shouldn't be on user pages is quite short and intuitive; it's at WP:UPNOT. VQuakr (talk) 20:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much for the response Reman Empire (talk) 20:26, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

One thing that would arguably be better to do than develop your user page, Reman Empire, would be to improve one or more articles. (There's not yet much sign of this in your list of contributions.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I guess that would be correct Reman Empire (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Reman Empire I think that Hoary's comment is maybe a bit unfair, given your account was only created yesterday! We have a Task centre where you can get some ideas for simple things to do but your suggestion to build a personal list of gripes (or reminders and links to useful things) on your User Page is also fine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Help:PASSWORD

I did NOT put my Email adresse on my account. Now I need it because I forgot my password. Is there a way to prove I’m Reman Empire to begin with ;well I think yes: 1. My account is not too prestigious or anything, I created it literally yesterday, so if I wouldn’t truly be Reman Empire then why would I even try to do this on that account. 2. Block me and you will see that I have the same Ip as Reman Empire. Now I can not copy the IP of reman empire because as you can see on the list of contributions, which mainly contain the user page edits, the IP address was never given away. Now I would like to know if 1. That is good evidence 2.who I need to tell this to, if it is even good evidence. 80.209.216.81 (talk) 11:52, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

This is awkward. I actually found a note I had written with the password. So yea I’m fine now I guess Reman Empire (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Reman Empire Just so you are aware, there is no way to regain access to your account if you forget the password unless you have an email address attached to your account in your account preferences. The IP address (as you describe) doesn't prove anything and even if it did, we have no way to give you access to your account if you lose it. 331dot (talk) 12:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating an article

Hello, I would like to create an article on that is already on the German Wiki.Before writing the draft, I would like to know if I am allowed to simply roughly translate the German page as I speak German myself or if I need to change the way things are formulated. Reman Empire (talk) 12:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

See Help:Translation. Keep in mind that different Wikipedias have different criteria for inclusion, so the existence of an article on another Wikipedia does not necessarily mean notability here. Lectonar (talk) 12:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Reman Empire In many ways, your most useful contribution when translating is to check that the sources in the German article do actually back up its contents and/or provide English sources which do so. As advised, there is an absolute requirement to demonstrate the notability of the topic to en:wiki standards. Using the WP:AFC process can be helpful as you will get useful advice from experienced reviewers when you submit the draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:48, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

football

football XxProgamer069Xx (talk) 13:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

"Selected Titles" Criteria?

Hi! I'm an intern with First Second Books and have been directed to make sure that the First Second page, and pages associated with some of :01's bestselling authors, are up-to-date. My plan has been to go about this by filing a few COI edit requests in accordance with Wikipedia's conflict-of-interest guidelines—I want the information to be current but I have no interest in subverting WP's editing standards.

One thing I noticed is that on the First Second Books page, the "Titles (selected)" list only runs up to Winter 2018 and could use an update with more current titles. Before I started putting together an edit request, I wanted to better understand the criteria for which titles merit selection—most of the selected titles have their own Wikipedia pages, but not all of them. How are "selected titles" selected? Can selected titles be added by a COI edit request, or are the notability standards similar to the creation of a new article, and parties with a potential conflict of interest are recommended to steer clear in general? Looking for standards has mostly turned up results about notability requirements for the creation of new articles or the standards for article titles, so I'm turning here. Any guidance would be appreciated as I do not want to run into any conflict of interest issues. Thanks so much! Leif Budget (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Leif Budget Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would first note that as an intern you meet the definition of a paid editor, and as such the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure.(this is stricter than the COI disclosure) Please see WP:PAID for instructions. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha, thank you for directing me there. I am in the habit of making relevant disclosures in my talk page posts as explicitly as possible, so I think I should be fine on that front, but I'll add a disclosure to my user page just to be safe. Leif Budget (talk) 15:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Leif Budget, ideally, a selected titles list should consist of titles which have been found notable in some way by independent, secondary, reliable sources. The easiest evidence of this is an existing Wikipedia article (though of course many poor articles exist on subjects which aren't actually notable). As an alternative, if you know a book has gotten one or more independent critical reviews but no article yet exists, you could include it in the proposed list along with a citation to the review(s). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that's extremely helpful! As far as independent critical reviews go, would reviews in major trade publications like Publisher's Weekly, Kirkus Review, or Booklist qualify as appropriate citations? Leif Budget (talk) 16:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Leif Budget, as far as I can tell, those are all reliable sources, though there's a note at WP:KIRKUS about avoiding Kirkus Indie. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Fantastic! I appreciate the time everyone has taken to to help me out; this has clarified a lot for me, and hopefully I'll be able to file some requests to keep the pages up-to-date without being disruptive! Leif Budget (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll add that since PW/Kirkus/Booklist tend to be brief reviews, you'll impress a books editor more if you have something like, say, LARB or the NYT or something with a long-form review. But that's for "is this book notable", which isn't actually the question you are asking here. (But a good idea of where to start!) Having looked at the article, I don't think existence of reviews is particularly relevant - there are already a lot of titles in that list, and presumably most of the books published by this publisher get reviewed! Think instead about what is most useful to a reader. Someone who wants an exhaustive list of books published by :01 will be looking somewhere else. So think in terms of "what are our most recognizable and defining titles"? Or "what will someone who just read the rest of this article want to know about next?" If you had to pick only five books to represent the last five years, what would they be? You'll probably come up with some pretty reasonable criteria on your own if you restrict yourself to only a set number. Just keep focused on what is most helpful to the readers of the article. -- asilvering (talk) 23:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good! I'm working on compiling a list of such titles, picking 2-4 titles per year in keeping with the rest of the list. I'll keep these criteria in mind. Thanks! Leif Budget (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Identifying and explaining unreliable sources

Draft:Eslöv school attack

Hi, my article was rejected a while back for having unreliable sources, but I'd like some clarification on which of the sources are unreliable and why so I can improve the article. From what I understand, the primary source I used is a pretty well established organisation, so I am not entirely sure. Parzival2101 (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Raydann: Ping the user who declined (not rejected) it so they can hopefully explain what the user can do. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Parzival2101: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please reread the pink box at the top of the draft, which states it was declined (not rejected) because "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." I noticed that the "Background" and "Legal proceedings" sections have no footnotes. GoingBatty (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I have done this now. So you think that it was only because those parts were unreferenced that it was declined? Nothing wrong with the sources themselves, right? Parzival2101 (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Would removing a non existing page link be a minor edit?

I was on a Wikipedia page, a small one, when I found a red link. I decided to fix it: from UR-67 to UR-67. Would that be considered a minor edit? I'm not exactly sure and I want to make sure I'm not doing stuff wrong. Rockethead293 (talk) 01:28, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Good day, Rockethead293! To be safe, if you are ever debating if something is "Minor," don't count it as such. Also, redlinks are not necessarily an issue as long as they could eventually become an article. ✶Mitch199811✶ 01:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rockethead293 The help page for minor edits is WP:MINOR, it has some good information on what should be considered minor. The general rule of thumb is that a minor edit is something that involves no editorial decision and to which no-one could possibly object, things like fixing spelling errors or fixing broken mark-up, would be considered minor edits.

One other thing to remember is that red links are not broken, and generally should not be removed. WP:RED has some useful guidance, WP:REDYES in particular tells you where you should be adding or retaining red links. If "UR-67" is a topic which we could have an article on then it should be linked, as a red link shows other editors that an article is needed. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Vietnam Marine Article Translation?

Hey, so, uh, if you speak Vietnamese or you know someone that speaks Vietnamese, can you send them to me? I actually have a translation job for them. For more info, go to my talk page, please. Faith15 15:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Faithful15, Category:User vi-N this category contains editors who speak Vietnamese. You can try searching through it for someone who is active to ask (many editors there may be retired). When you do so, please be very polite about it, since there is no obligation for any editor to take on any given task. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh. Well, that makes things easier. Thanks for the info, @Sdkb. Faith15 16:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Citations for common sense things

Hullo. On the XRNS file format section of Renoise, there are "citation needed" templates around two of the claims made. However, these claims seem like something that could be generally inferred by anyone who has knowledge of how XML works. I can't find anything that explicitly states that the XRNS format can be read in a text editor and changed by external programs; I think that, since XML – which the XRNS format is based on – is plain-text from the start and is thus inherently editable by any program that can edit plain text files, it should be relatively obvious that those claims are factual and as such don't need a reference.

My question is how would I handle this? I realise that a rationale for something like could be too technical for the average reader of the article, and they might wish to re-add the maintenace tags if they do get removed. Is there a sort of guideline on Wikipedia for citing claims that are inherently obvious or arguably not susceptible to fabrication? I am new to citation on Wikipedia in general, and I've never added one myself, so I'm rather confused on how to go about resolving this. - Cheers, KoolKidz112 (hit me up) 13:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree, those two statements are obvious to anyone who knows anything about XML. I've removed the tags, and rewritten the sentences slightly. Maproom (talk) 14:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The relevant policy may be Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

An essay, not a policy. There is also the counter opinion, WP:You do need to cite that the sky is blue. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Photo not appearing correctly

This photo was cropped so it became more or less a headshot. However, in the one article where it is being used, the old version of the photo is appearing (and is not rendering properly at that). Not sure how to fix it. Can anyone help? Thanks! -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

That article looks fine to me. Have you tried bypassing your browser's cache (see WP:BYPASS)? ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Nothing changed for me. Tried the bypass. Tried Incognito mode. Still seeing a distorted original photo, not the cropped version. -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 19:21, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I see it distorted. I'll investigate. ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

That's bizarre. It's right on my phone, but on Firefox, I see the old version, in the aspect ratio of the updated version. Purging the page doesn't help. I suggest asking at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 19:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Radio Interview Citation

Hello, I have been wondering if a radio interview is a good enough source to cite something small in an existing Wikipedia article. How would I go about citing a source like that? Much Thanks! Spiggotr6 (talk) 06:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Spiggotr6: How would the source be verifiable? The Wikipedia:Verifiability policy requires that any cited source must be verifiable by anyone. The source doesn't have to be online. One can verify things by going to a library, for example. And if online, it doesn't need to be free; many academic journals and some major newspapers are behind paywalls, for example. Where would I go to verify that the radio interview exists and says what the Wikipedia article claims it says? Is there a transcript available anywhere? This is especially important when attributing a quotation to a living person. If a transcript is available online, you can use the {{cite web}} template. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The source I have in mind is on their website, and anyone can listen to it for free. There is no written transcript though. The only thing I was going to use from the interview was the subject's date of birth as I could not find any other sources with his DOB. If I cite the radio website that should be good enough? Spiggotr6 (talk) 06:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Spiggotr6 {{Cite interview}} would probably be better than {{cite web}} for what you describe. If you look in the documentation there are some examples of how to fill out the parameters. You can link to the website using the |url= parameter. Per WP:BLPPRIVACY you should consider whether this information is widely published before adding it to the article though. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Spiggotr6 Just going to add that WP:INTERVIEWS can sometimes be considered primary sources, which means they have limited use as explained in WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:PRIMARY. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Spiggotr6 WP:DOB (part of the biography of living persons policy) suggests that you should not use that date of birth because a single interview is not "widely published by reliable sources". Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull It also says "or by sources linked to the subject". In the interview the subject of the Wiki article said his own date of birth to the audience. Spiggotr6 (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Spiggotr6 Fair enough, but people have been known to lie, especially those in acting and modelling professions! You didn't mention who you had in mind. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull The person is a well-respected painter and illustrator. His year of birth is widely publicized, I just couldn't find his exact month and day till I came across this interview. Spiggotr6 (talk) 15:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

My rule of thumb is that we don't assume they lie unless it's hinted at in independent RS. See Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons/Archive_48#Tweets_announcing_"Happy_birthday_to_me!_I'm_21_today!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Searching

Hi I'm new hear and wanted to know how I can search a person recently deceased who I have been told had been searched on hear but I do not know how to I've put the name in search bar but nothing comes up with any information. Can anyone please help me thanks in advance Majorsmith01. (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Majorsmith01., welcome to the Teahouse. If nothing came up when you entered the name in the search bar, it's possible that Wikipedia simply doesn't have an article on this person. Can you tell us the name of the person you're looking for information on? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Query

What is thiss 50.82.230.110 (talk) 22:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question about either of those things? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability in other Wikipedias

Hi Teahouse. I would love to have an essay or something to point people at that gives a general overview of the differences between notability standards in the various different languages of Wikipedia. We often get people at AfC or AfD saying something like "but it already exists in Arabic Wikipedia!" and I can help only when it comes to the projects I'm more familiar with (eg de-wiki). Otherwise we're just stuck with "well, standards are different", which isn't very helpful. Does such a thing exist? I've gone looking before and not found it. -- asilvering (talk) 23:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

asilvering Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think it unlikely such an overview exists, as compiling it would require being familiar with all the policies on every version of Wikipedia(and by extension the languages involved). 331dot (talk) 23:21, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, if it was a one-person effort, sure. But I could draw a paragraph up about de-wiki vs en-wiki easily enough, and with enough people to help... -- asilvering (talk) 23:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering:The closest things to what you're looking for that I can think of is WP:OTHERLANGUAGEEXISTS and WP:OTHERLANGS. However, trying to develop a guide that covers every local Wikipedia project seems like an impossible task.There's no guarantee that an article should exist on some other language Wikipedia; so, you'd essentially need to be able to assess an article's notability per some other Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Even if it was notable per some other Wikipedia's notability guideline, that still would make it notable per WP:N unless each Wikipedia's guideline is the same. Basically, the best you can do when faced with a sitution like this is point out WP:NRV and work from there. The unfortunate fact of the matter seems to be that some other Wikipedias have much less active communities that English Wikipedia has, and they sometimes do a much poorer job of applying and enforcing their respective policies and guidelines than English Wikipedia does. FWIW, it's not only WP:N where this kind of thing is an issue, but also things like WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, etc. Some other Wikipedia's closely follow what English Wikipedia does, but others just go off in other directions and do things their own way.

If you're familiar with things on German Wikipedia, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to create an essay about that. Maybe that's the best that can be done if you want to go into specifics. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

What many of us here will be familiar with, asilvering, are the notability standards in en:Wikipedia. Te:Wikipedia may get somebody saying something (in Telugu) like "but it already exists in English Wikipedia!", but we know that this is meaningless, because over 160,000 articles here have the "Unreferenced" template (and if your experience is like mine you'll often arrive at unreferenced articles that don't have this template). And of course en:Wikipedia has a vast number of articles that have a token, feeble reference and thus don't qualify for this template, but are clearly junk all the same. -- Hoary (talk) 00:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. I'm well aware that standards are different in different wikis, and also that articles don't always live up to expected standards. What I am asking is whether there is a reference page somewhere that gives a brief explanation of the standards that are generally different. For example, de-wiki is in general more comfortable with articles that have a bibliography but few or no citations, provided the information appears uncontroversial. Writing a new article like that and submitting it here will give an en-wiki new page patroller a hernia. -- asilvering (talk) 01:01, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for my poor expression, asilvering. Perhaps my attention had been too narrowly on "But it already exists in [some language or other] Wikipedia!" My point was that an article's mere existence in en:Wikipedia doesn't mean that it meets en:Wikipedia's own standards (for notability, referencing, or whatever). Indeed, it's very likely not to do so. I might wager that for any language Wikipedia that proclaims its criteria (perhaps many don't even do this), there are plenty of articles in that language that don't meet these criteria. One could ignore practice and just look at proclaimed criteria; however, I don't remember ever having read "But my draft meets the article criteria in de:Wikipedia!" or similar; and therefore the practical benefit of such a comparison isn't obvious to me. (It could make for an interesting academic study, however.) [cough] As for your hernia-inducing species of article, back in the bad old days I perpetrated a number of this kind of thing myself, here; and I haven't yet bothered to revisit and rework several of them. -- Hoary (talk) 02:42, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't remember ever having read "But my draft meets the article criteria in de:Wikipedia!" or similar Oh, I see it by translators all the time. Most often it's a polite but bewildered "I don't understand, it's already an article in (insert language), what's the problem?" but I did get an extremely indignant de-to-en translator the other day who insisted I was out of order when I declined a draft with sourcing problems (and entire sections without footnotes...). -- asilvering (talk) 05:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: yes, you're right about the general differences. But a fundamental problem is that English Wikipedia's mode of operation is a cultural thing quite different to what's written down, so it would be hard to say how it differs from the methods of other Wikipedias. For example, the first written instruction in the guide for AfC reviewers at WP:AFCSTANDARDS is "Avoid declining an article because it correctly uses general references to support some or all of the material. The content and sourcing policies require inline citations for only four specific types of material..."

And yet you are quite right. Any attempt at using general referencing in English Wikipedia will lead to guaranteed decline from AfC, and Teahouse people are daily handing out advice that every paragraph must have inline citation. So, in theory English WP is the same as German, but in practice it is enormously different, which is a real problem if you're translating. We have gone beyond the principle of verifiability, and instead gone for a principle of linkage, where every fact must be linked to where it came from. Elemimele (talk) 06:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

If a single source cover the content of an entire paragraph and the paragraph is one or two sentences long, then perhaps adding a single citation to the end of the paragraph is not too big of a deal; on the otherhand, if the paragraph is quite long and dense with detail, then a single source (even if it covers everything) at the end of the paragraph is going to be most likely be insufficient. In such a case, it would probably be better to cite the source multiple times using either WP:REFNAME, WP:SFN or some other citation format, To me, such a thing is not a "cultural" thing at all, but a "common sense" thing. Moreover, if the AFC reveiwer can fix the problem, then perhaps they should if the subject is otherwise Wikipedia notable.

Wikipedia notability, for the most part, doesn't depend on the number of sources being cited, but rather the quality of the sources be cited. If there's lots of unsourced content in a draft about an otherwise notable subject, then it seems that the problematic content can be removed, hidden, or tagged with a template, but the draft as a whole can be accepted. The question of notability ultimately comes down to the quality of the sources cited and whether they provide significant coverage of the subject, doesn't it? If sources cited by the other language Wikipedia article are reliable and provide the significant coverage required by English Wikipedia, then notability is established; if not, better sources are simply needed. Unsourced content can be removed, but a lack of notability can't be WP:OVERCOME.

There's nothing that states Wikipedia articles in different languages about the same subject need to be identical. So, if the de-to-en translator you mentioned above truly believes they should, then they are misunderstanding some important things about not only English Wikipedia but Wikipedia in general. If they did understand Wikipedia, they would likely understand the need to find better sources or trim the draft of unsourced content, i.e. addition by subtraction, so that the subject's Wikipedia notability is beyond doubt. If verbatim translations are really what is desired, then software can be used with very little input from human editors at all. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Article creation

Hi! I would like to create a page for a hungarian swimmer. Can I get some help? Anonymus0823 (talk) 19:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC)  Courtesy link: Draft:Mészáros Dániel --ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Anonymus0823, welcome to the Teahouse. We already have an article on Dániel Mészáros. You've created and submitted two different drafts which also appear to be about that person. Are you trying to replace the existing article? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm trying to create a new page with for that swimmer. There is two swimmer with the same name, one was born in 2003 and the other one was born in 2004. Someone already created a page for the 2004 one, but i would like to create one for the 2003 since he is getting bigger media coverage now than the other one. Anonymus0823 (talk) 19:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Anonymus0823, this is likely to be very confusing for a reviewer. I recommend:

1. Removing the submission template from Draft:Mészáros Dániel. It appears to be a duplicate with an incorrect title.

2. Add a note at the top of Draft:Dániel Mészáros explaining that this is a different Dániel Mészáros from Dániel Mészáros.

3. Improve the sourcing of Draft:Dániel Mészáros. Right now it has exactly one inline citation and a bunch of references at the bottom which are not used to verify anything, plus some external links. This is a biography of a living person, so it's very important to get your sourcing straight. Look at the article on the other guy - it's got some good inline citations going for it. Copy that style. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Everybody's blocked per the discussion at WP:COIN#Dániel Mészáros - obvious sock/meat puppetry. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Drm310 "Everybody's blocked". I like that phrase! David10244 (talk) 08:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Im new! I would like to add new articles about multinational corporation in my country. Am I allowed to do that?

Guide please, while sipping your tea! Eum Bon-Hwa (talk) 06:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eum Bon-Hwa, welcome to the Teahouse! WP:NORG and WP:YFA may be a good place to start. And, if it applies to you, WP:COI. See also WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

For your information, YFA is a guide for how to create a draft; NORG describes the criteria for deciding if a corporation is notable; COI (also WP:PAID) touches on personal or paid connections to topics; BACKWARD advises to find references first. David notMD (talk) 10:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I knew that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång I'm sure you did know that. And I think it's very likely the the Original Poster DIDN'T know that. Ergo, the very helpful and thoughtful clarification/translation of the alphabet soup. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

In hindsight, I could have posted that content on Eum's Talk page. But then, how would everyone else who peruses Teahouse know how much I know? David notMD (talk) 15:30, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD You missed the opportunity to say that YFA is "Your First Article"; NORG is "Notability for Organizations", and COI is "Conflict Of Interest". There was so much more showing off that you could have done! David10244 (talk) 08:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

This is probably why we should observe proper thread indentation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

My comment was actually intended as a humorous signal to David notMD that he wasn't indenting the way I think he should. Too obscure, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there a question?

i hahv apiops licinse if you drop surreder pamhlets to ruswiian soldiers this wqw mould be over in 6 months 97.100.96.189 (talk) 13:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I can't even make out what they're attempting to say. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I think it has something to do with encouraging Russian soldiers (likely in Ukraine) to surrender. I don't know what a "license" has to do with it. In any event, nothing to do with Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 14:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I believe the IP OP is magnanimously offering to fly an airplane ("apiops" =? "a pilots") through a very bitter war (Ukraine), to drop leaflets to tell them all to stop. It would be interesting to see how far s/he gets, although I'd definitely put in a good word or two for him/her to the Darwin Awards Committee (if there is such a thing). But I suppose if I did anything to make it possible or encourage, I'd be morally guilty of murder. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Uporządnicki: See https://darwinawards.com/slush/submit_story.html GoingBatty (talk) 14:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

They would get shot down, most likely by the Russians. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Is it too early for a Florida man reference? Heiro 15:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I think "Florida man..." news stories have to actually happen first. But my thoughts turned to he who thinks getting people in the same room (with him) is sufficient to solve all worldly problems? Did not work when he asked Pence to throw the Electoral Collage vote, or Kim to stop making missles and bombs. David notMD (talk) 15:21, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The one who WAS leading the country the right way, until he was made bad news by incessant investigation, innuendo, and just plain false labeling (by one of Wikipedia's "reliable sources" among others)? To be replaced by the darling of those who decide for us what we think, who is now hiding behind the trappings of the Church, while doing the work of Satan? We don't want to start this, David--but since you have, I merely show what a can of worms--no, vipers--we could open by going this way. Uporządnicki (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Turned to HIM who thinks ... Uporządnicki (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Only if there is a comma after "him". On second thought, that won't work because "him" would be ambiguous or undefined when the reader gets to it. Otherwise, I believe "he who thinks" is correct, used as an object phrase, with "he" being the subject within the phrase. But I could be wrong. David10244 (talk) 08:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Too bad we didn't realize that all we need to do, to stop a war, is to drop leaflets. Someone should inform our military leaders. Why was this information withheld from everyone before? David10244 (talk) 08:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Page Creation

I would like to create an article about my father - Lieutenant General EM Flanagan Jr. He was in WW2, Korea and Vietnam. West Point grad, his last assignment was as the Sixth Army Commander. Where do I start? Tgflanagan1 (talk) 21:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tgflanagan1, welcome to the Teahouse. There's a lot to learn, and I'll put some links at the end of this message so you can start in-depth reading if you like, but the most important thing, the thing that will save you time and frustration, is: do you have independent, reliable, published sources that talk in-depth about your father? This means things like articles in reputable newspapers or chapters in books (or perhaps entire books) from reputable publishers. And they must be about your father, not about things he was involved in or associated with. If you don't, it's best to stop now.

If you do, though, or if you think you can find them, WP:PSCOI (the plain and simple conflict of interest guide - you have a conflict of interest with this subject) and Help:Your first article are full of instructions. You can also look at WP:NPERSON, which lays out our criteria for who may or may not warrant an article here, as well as Help:Referencing for beginners, which explains how to format references to your sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tgflanagan1, and welcome to the Teahouse. The IP editor has given you useful information about the (frankly) challenging task you are contemplating. One thing they haven't emphasised is that, because of Wikipedia's fundamental requirement for verifiability, absolutely nothing that you know, think, or remember about your father can go into the article, unless it can be found in a reliable published source|; and in most cases in a source written and published by people wholly unconnected with your father. ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgflanagan1 You can try asking for assistance at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

dark theme

could you consider offering dark background with white text??? 71.246.13.252 (talk) 01:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a true dark mode was the most popular idea at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Results. Until it's created, see WP:DARK for workarounds. GoingBatty (talk) 02:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I am able to get white text on a dark background in Chrome for Android, on my 10" tablet, using Chrome settings. I'm not using any Wikipedia settings to get this. A few things look weird, especially certain graphics (which I suspect have a lot of black already in them, which makes them disappear into the background). This doesn't bother me much. Many browsers have a dark mode these days. David10244 (talk) 09:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing Junius Brutus Booth (section) (Tearoom: ask a question)

Hello someone out there in the 'tearoom', I have just one simple question, Why is not mentioned, in this case the link to the editor of 'Editing Junius Brutus Booth (section)' ? I like to come in contact especially on the subject 'Sarah Blackbeard' as been mentioned in this section where this information comes from. For my private research it is very important to know if this information is accurate and if so ask permission to use it in my research. Thank you, sent honestly without bad intentions and hope that I get a serious responds. All the best, from Pikeveronica Pikeveronica (talk) 08:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Pikeveronica Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Wikipedia articles are based on citations, reliable sources. If there is no citation in that paragraph or section, be careful of citing that section/ paragraph . They may be original research need a tag for -Lemonaka‎ 08:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Junius Brutus Booth. The relevant Section and paragraph has two citations weblinked to a piece (written in 1813) on the wesite ancestry.co.uk that was accessed on 14 December 2020.

You could subscribe to the website and check the source yourself;

or you could search the article's View history on or after that date to find which editor added the citations (and presumably the text itself) (but I've done it for you, it was Moonraker, who I've just pinged);

or you could search the Web to find an alternative copy of the piece.

Hope that helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Could I get some feedback/thoughts on a discussion topic I started?

Hi all! Sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. I was wondering if I could please have some thoughts on a discussion topic I recently posted on an articles talk page. Just looking for feedback/some other voices to chime in. It looks like a lot of the same people contribute to this talk page. Thank you! Cinnamonrollsaregood (talk) 02:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

You posted a lengthy new section at the Talk page of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which is the right place. Teahouse Hosts volunteer to be here as advice-giving generalists. David notMD (talk) 03:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Copy that. How would I go about asking other Editors to look over the new section I added on that talk page? Cinnamonrollsaregood (talk) 05:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cinnamonrollsaregood I believe WT:WikiProject Star Wars would be the most obvious place. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

How to give pic credit while uploading a pic at Wiki Commons

I want to upload few pics taken by my friend to the wikipedia commons from my account, I have his consent about it. Is there any way possible to give the pic credit to him? A2292 (talk) 04:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

He is not willing to make a wiki account and put much effort, and he is also not good at doing this stuff. A2292 (talk) 05:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi A2292. Assuming that the pics are 100% your friends c:COM:Own work, you or they will need to provide some way of formally verifying that they, as the copyright holder, have given their c:COM:CONSENT. There are a couple of ways this can be done as explained in c:COM:VRT. Before you upload anything though, you might want to look at c:Commons:Licensing and explain to your friend what it means to have their work uploaded to Commons. Commons only excepts licenses that provide minimal restrictions, and they basically allow others to download files and reuse them anyway they want; so, if your friend doesn't want others to be able to freely reuse their pics or only wants them to be able to reused in certain ways, you should probably not upload the pics to Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@A2292 Just to show you what sort of information Commons holds for files uploaded (in this case by me) on behalf of someone else, take a look at c:File:Yuendumu_Gold_01.jpg for an example. The link to the VRT is the one for you and your friend to follow: that team expects email correspondence. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:43, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

How do you center text to the middle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_women%27s_national_under-17_football_team#FIFA_U-17_World_Cup

Here I want to put "did not qualify," "tbd," and all the numbers in the bottom row in the center of each box instead of on the left. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 10:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done Check the edit I just made. It needed style="text-align: center;" adding to the top of the table. Then centring will apply everywhere. - X201 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Is there a way to do it with visual editor? Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 11:49, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Helpfulwikieditoryay Nope, you have to use the source editor. There's a feature request in the bug tracker, but it hasn't been acted on in 8 years, see Phab:T103276. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Fixing links in a template

Template:Decadebox] still uses the 2000s (decade) and 1900s (decade) links, even though these article have been moved to 2000s and 1900s. How would I go about fixing this? Koopinator (talk) 06:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Koopinator Hello, welcome to the teahouse. I believe nothing need to be fixed, since they are redirect to the correct articles. -Lemonaka‎ 08:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Koopinator: We prefer to avoid redirects in navboxes per WP:NAVNOREDIRECT so we get bold selflinks instead of blue links redirecting back to the page itself on 1990s and 2000s. It was tricky but I have done it,[11] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Koopinator (talk) 12:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi All! I need help ( again) on a different article. I am too "reads like advertisement" and need a hard redirect.

below is a portion can anyone help with rewording :)

In 2011 Pinot partnered with Aldo Dinelli to create the luxury brand, Icon Jewels. Icon Jewel's clients include the Hollywood Elite. Icon Jewels has provided jewelry for premieres, award shows, including mega athletes like Patrick Mahomes,stars like Toni Braxton, Candace Owens, and many athletes. In April 2018, Icon Jewels, aided Drew Brees in a courtroom victory, when he filed a lawsuit against a local jeweler in San Diego California. The lawsuit claims Brees and his wife paid $15 million for investment-grade diamonds that an independent appraiser valued at only $6 million. On June 21, 2019, Brees was awarded $6 million in the lawsuit. JanaFerrume (talk) 16:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JanaFerrume, welcome back. I think most, if not all, of that paragraph is irrelevant and could stand to be removed. The article is not about Icon Jewels; a list of its clients is entirely unnecessary, besides being promotional, and the lawsuit doesn't seem terribly relevant to Pinot's career either. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi!! ok, thank you first! :)

So, don't include it, you think is best.

So question.

She designed jewelry for famous people, like Patrick Mahomes, a famous football player, or rather, people of note'... like Martin Katz , should I just make small mention of that, since it speaks more to Pinot's art career JanaFerrume (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume, yes, I think it would be much more helpful to focus specifically on her work as a designer here. But please keep in mind that Wikipedia prefers independent secondary sources over primary sources. If independent secondary sources have mentioned her design work on specific pieces, feel free to mention those in a little more depth. If all you have are primary sources, though, best to keep mentions brief and minimal. Remember: Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

that makes complete sense. Thank you for your insight. I am use to writing from an emotional perspective, so I welcome the challenge. I also chose an inventor/scientist,as a secondary article, and it is a bit more technical. I figured if I worked on both simultaneously, I will find the right balance.

Thank You :) JanaFerrume (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

The current citations in your Draft:Cynthia Pinot relating to Patrick Mahomes or Toni Braxton using her designs have no mention of her: please find sources that verify that information. Also the suggestion he is a "mega" athlete has no place in an encyclopaedia article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

100000% noted :) thank you.

Question:

I have seen in other published articles where facts are verified / substantiated via "Instagram" a social media platform. Is that acceptable, across the board

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JanaFerrume (talk) 18:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume, is it the instagram of the subject of the article? In that case WP:ABOUTSELF applies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

yes. In this case it is. Its a magazine(s) giving credit to the subject of article, for work created. JanaFerrume (talk) 18:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume, that might violate the third requirement of ABOUTSELF, which is that claims regarding third parties should not be supported by such sources. Was nothing published in the magazine itself? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I have to look deeper.

So, I guess for now, I will sit with it.

I appreciate all this great input.

My learning curve is straight up, thank you :)

Cheers! JanaFerrume (talk) 18:26, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume, creating a (decent) article on English Wikipedia is indeed harder than it looks, and folks here at the Teahouse often tell newcomers not to try it until they've gained some experience editing existing articles. The best thing to do is familiarize yourself with WP:RS, then go out and find sources which you're sure meet the criteria, then start writing a draft based on the sources. The list at Perennial sources might help you find good ones and eliminate bad ones. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

thank you all for great input. I will sit with all this great info, and reapproach. :)

I completely agree! I want to create a great article, however small, so I truly appreciate all the notes, and input.

cheers! JanaFerrume (talk) 23:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@JanaFerrume if you're looking for some easy article writing experience, take a look around articles about living things. There are literally millions of unwritten articles about bugs, fungi, pondscum, etc. An acceptable basic article about an obscure species is one of the easiest to write. Such subjects are generally devoid of controversy, emotion, or even conflicting opinions. If you're interested drop a note on my talk page I'd be happy to show you how. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:25, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Roger, that is a great idea. (lol pondscum) It is the balance of non emotional, emotional, and boring that I have in my mind to master. Thank you for this, I will find you on your talk page later in week. :) JanaFerrume (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Please strike the inaccurate, cliched verb "to partner" from your vocabulary. Use "to collaborate". Partnership is a legal relationship, and very few people who throw that word around actually intend to be bound by it, which makes it nothing but an unencyclopedic overcolloquialism. Thanks. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 23:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Julietdeltalima - That's not a very helpful comment. casualdejekyll 12:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for Article Review and Feedback.

Hello, I submitted my article on 1st March, 2023. Could you please let me know how long it will take to review it? Additionally, I would appreciate it if you could review the article and provide any suggestions for improvement. Link of my Article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:EORTV Dreamzzimages (talk) 10:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dreamzzimages, and welcome to the Teahouse. Nobody in the entire universe can tell you how long it will take to review it, because it depends on which of the volunteer reviewers happens to choose to review it. It might be today, or it might be three or four months away.

Glancing at the list of references, it looks to me as if a lot of them are based on press releases (though I haven't looked at the sources, and I may be wrong in some cases). While it's not forbidden to cite non-indepedent sources such as press releases, it immediately raises the question in my mind (and I think a reviewer's mind) "If this event is reported only in an article based on a press release, why should it appear in the encyclopaedia?" Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I've just looked at the text, and I read EORTV is a video streaming app that offers thousands of hours of premium, exclusive and original content. This is pure advertising puff. The encyclopaedic part of the sentence is "EORTV is a video streaming app". ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dreamzzimages Simple facts, especially those taken from press releases, only need one citation, not multiple versions saying the same thing. Thus in the version of the draft I looked at, #10 and #11 confirm one fact while #12 and #13 support another. Choose the one that is best for the reader (e.g. adgully has a horrible website full of advertisement, so avoid it). You also need to reuse some references: see WP:REFNAME for how to do that. One example where a named reference should be used is current #16 and #25, which are identical. Colin's point that you have some way to go to show the company is notable is still your main hurdle, as reviewers will probably comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Ask and you will receive. Your draft has now been Declined. Before resubmitting, address the Reviewer's rationale. As ColinFine mentioned above, there is a large backlog of drafts awaiting reviewers. The system is not a queue. Reviews can occur within days, weeks, or (sadly) several months. David notMD (talk) 12:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

How do I add an article FAQ? I have two articles in the continents area that keep getting questions about why certain landmasses are/are not included, so I'd like to add an FAQ for that, but I don't have the know how and can't seem to find the template --Licks-rocks (talk) 12:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Licks-rocks. See {{FAQ}} and come back if you have more specific questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you! --Licks-rocks (talk) 12:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Researching

hi I'm the executive Manager of International research institute of secretary of state Iran. When I wanted to create a page in Wikipedia for our institution some unknown Manager whom have some immoral text in his page block me for no particular reason and no response.

I think this is so bad for Wikipedias reputation and safety...

What should I do? 5.112.184.175 (talk) 14:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

You should return to your account and follow the instructions provided to request unblock. 331dot (talk) 14:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

The block on this IP address is for 31 hours, and was for a deliberate evasion of an existing block. This block has nothing to do with the subject being an institute in Iran. Is there an original, named account that was blocked for a described cause? It would help here at Teahouse if you name the account. As 331dot advised, the proper pathway is to appeal the original block. David notMD (talk) 14:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

How to fix a redirect

I received the following comment: There is currently a redirect from the title of this draft. If this draft is accepted, the redirect should be deleted, because the hatnote at the top of this page will take its place.

It's for a draft article: Draft:Scatters

Should I change the name of the article in this case from Scatters to Scatters Casino, so my article will appear in the search if and when its accepted? AA2023 (talk) 14:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AA2023, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest not worrying about this: if and when your draft is accepted, the reviewer will sort out the most appropriate page name and handle any disambiguation issues.

I suggest you concern yourself instead with trimming all the blatant advertising out of your draft. For example, About the only thing in your "Overview" section that might belong in an article is the launch date. The rest, unless an independent source discusses it, is advertising puff. ColinFine (talk) 14:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Problem with text to speech

I wanted to use the text to speech option on the edge browser, but it kept reading the source numbers. Hope anyone can help me on this :) Ramka8707 (talk) 01:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Try clicking the source number and using text to speech on the ref under #References. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:23, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Maybe I wrote my comment a little confusing. I want text to speech to read me a Wikipedia article, but what irritates me (and probably folks with a disability) is that it reads the numbers of the sources in the normal text. It is really weird to hear a random number mentioned in the middle of an article. Do you know a solution to that? Btw, thank you for responding :) Ramka8707 (talk) 11:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ramka8707 Does this occur on all articles, or just some of them? You might want to try asking at WT:WikiProject Accessibility, there's a lot of people there who work on making Wikipedia content accessible to screen readers. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 12:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion :) I am awaiting an answer from them... Ramka8707 (talk) 14:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Article not reviewing

I created an article on 23 February 2023. While my previous two articles got reviewed within 2-3 days, it is not done even after a week. Is it normal in Wikipedia that review takes some time or my article has some problem. I would be highly thankful if any reviewer can review it. ‎ Gorav‎ Sharma‎ ^{‎ TALK} 08:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gorav Sharma Hello, welcome to the teahouse, article review takes time, we are volunteers so we cannot work on it all the time. Please be patient, some articles are even lagging for months. If your article has some obvious problem, it will take short time to review, so lagging may not be a bad thing, this is the same as the essay. -Lemonaka‎ 08:53, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Gorav_Sharma, your article is already in Article space (i.e. is not merely a Draft), and has been lightly edited by GoingBatty, who is one of the most experienced editors on Wikipedia, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

If you mean "when will it be reviewed by the Wikipedia:New pages patrol and be made visible to internet web crawlers", no definite answer can be given as the patrollers are, like all of us, volunteers who choose what they do (and don't) do: however, if not reviewed it will be exposed to the crawlers automatically 90 days after creation anyway. Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 11:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Note that when I edit an article, I'm usually fixing technical issues and/or typos, not reviewing the article and its references for notability. GoingBatty (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

sandbox

I have write my article on my sandbox and save it  using"cntrl s".iI have softcopy but i cannot open it in sandbox to complete my document.pls help Upadhayasagar (talk) 03:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Upadhayasagar, your contribution history doesn't show any sandbox edits. They might have been deleted. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

i have not edit sandbox.i had written in sandbox.I save using cntrl s.I have html file but i don't know how to open it. Upadhayasagar (talk) 06:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Upadhayasagar I think that "cntrl s" (or "ctrl s") is the usual way to save a file being edited in a word-processing program, such as Microsoft Word, on Windows. It may also work in other programs and operating systems.

But, when you are editing using a Web browser, I don't think that cntrl s has the same effect, although this might depend on the browser or operating system you are using. When you are editing your sandbox, there is a "Publish Changes" button that will save what you have entered (it will not actually "publish" the contents as a Wikipedia article). David10244 (talk) 09:20, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

i was using chrome .can i recover it ?.i had written more than 1000 words. Upadhayasagar (talk) 10:45, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Upadhayasagar, for an HTML file, if it's asking you which program to open it in, choose Google Chrome. There's no guarantee it saved correctly, though, and as David said above, to save on Wikipedia here, you need to click "publish". Sorry to hear of the potential loss of work. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I tried to open file in notepad and it opened but i had written in devnagri script(nepali language), proabably on mukta fonts,but my computer window isnt updated.can any one try helping me to recover it?Thanks for your reply Upadhayasagar (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Upadhayasagar, a better place to ask would be the computing reference desk: WP:RDC. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I improve this article?

I wrote this article and people are saying he was not notable. Im just adding this info :( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francisco_Lugo-Vi%C3%B1a_Molina do you think it would be ready to be released? Do you like it? Any advice? You can edit if you want... maybe find some info. Im a mobile User but I hope you like it. I spent long time at it. Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ayyyple2! I took a look and made a few copy fixes. The immediate issue I see is that you are not using the normal referencing format, which will make it more difficult for a reviewer to check notability. I would recommend reading this page, which explains how to add them the normal way, and then doing so. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay:) I'll try my best hehe... but what else could be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayyyple2 (talk • contribs)

@Ayyyple2: I'd be able to say more about the references myself after you switch them to the standard format, but for a historical subject like Molina, I'd expect there to be some good ones, and indeed it looks like you've found some academic sources. That's the main thing reviewers look for when evaluating drafts. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh Alright, you know I've done everything with "[]" to link specific things, I didn't knew about it before. So you're saying my Sources are good! Because they're Academic ? :) that's great. Im glad. It was pretty hard, I edit on mobile :> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayyyple2 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Anyway, do you think it's ready to be released? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayyyple2 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

It is not ready to be released, because none of the sources is cited properly. And while they're not, some editors (well, me anyway), will be less willing to check whether they help to establish that the subject is notable. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners.   17:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Maproom (talk)

That's going to be hard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayyyple2 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I mean, articles need reliable sources, and significant coverage in them in order to meet General Notability Guidelines! See also WP:42 as well for additional information. Once the draft is well-sourced and expanded, then it could potentially meet GNG! Tails Wx 18:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, I've gone through the draft and converted the references. All the ones to Spanish Wikipedia are not valid; we cannot effectively cite ourselves. This is a really strong reference; one more like that would put the article on very firm ground notability-wise. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for editing it man, do you think it is ready now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayyyple2 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I suggest removing the portrait from the Infobox, as it is used in the section about the portrait. Also, after establishment of full name in the Lead, subsequent use should be only his surname. Is that Molina? Lastly, at the end of every comment at Teahouse or on Talk pages, 'sign' you name by typing four of ~. David notMD (talk) 12:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

If those are the biggest improvements in the article, then it is indeed ready for mainspace, as they're not blocking issues. You can submit it by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top and an editor will come by to review. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Elster&oldid=prev&diff=1142463602

Operation Elster

Hi all. I am sort of getting involved in a reversion battle with Special:Contributions/2601:196:180:8D80:A9F1:E6B0:852F:B49E and I have better things to do.

I (of course :0)) Think I'm doing the right thing but perhaps not. I'm a bit wet behind the ears.

If you have a mo to look at the history and offer some guidance that would be great.

My next step would have been to ask for page protection for a while and assuming that were granted, to revert again.

What would you do?

I'm also not sure how to engage with an unregistered user? Any thoughts?

Thanks. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Did initially add a section on the talk page but no response. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 15:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks like they are making a legitimate sourced edit. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 16:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

In this particular case, @Lukewarmbeer, the IP address seems to be relatively stable, and they did respond to a post on their talk page, so discussion with them there might be possible. They should join the discussion you started on article talk, of course, but they seem reluctant to do so. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. We have a citation now so all is good. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

2 mobile games Missing

On the list of asphalt games it says that asphalt nitro and asphalt nitro 2 are there but it just redicts to the asphalt series page. Is there an article on it or no? Mm37. (talk) 14:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mm37., welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not currently have articles on either of those games. An editor attempted to create an article on Asphalt Nitro last September, but it wasn't good enough to stick around, so it was reverted and turned into a redirect. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Well I was told to stick with editing articles for now until I'm good enough to make my own so I guess I'll have to wait to make an article on it. Good talk though 2600:1008:B14B:3601:408E:FBFF:FE76:82F8 (talk) 15:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mm37. If you want to see what the draft looked like last September, maybe intending to improve it, it is available in the page history of the redirect. The main issue, as commonly the case is to show that it is notable enough to warrant its own article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah it's probably not notable to become it's own article, but maybe asphalt nitro could be referenced in the asphalt 8 article and asphalt nitro 2 in the Asphalt 9 article 2600:1008:B14B:3601:408E:FBFF:FE76:82F8 (talk) 18:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)