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Uploading images

this should be simple but I'm having trouble inserting an image into a biography page. Advice? Candice Wilmore (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Candice Wilmore, welcome to the Teahouse. In order to be included, the image must first be uploaded either to Wikimedia Commons or locally to English Wikipedia. The image also must be compatibly licensed, or meet the WP:FAIRUSE criteria - most pictures you find on the internet are not. What image are you trying to insert, and where did it come from? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

It's a photo I took, as a photographer for local events. Where do I upload? I don't see that, thanks so much. Candice Wilmore (talk) 03:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Candice Wilmore. If you took the photos yourself, then in principle you would be the copyright holder and could upload the photos to Wikimedia Commons under a free license if you want. Now, I say "in principle" because what take a photo of can in some cases be protected by copyright on its own merits, separate of the copyright you create when taking of photo; moreover, in still some other cases, taking a photo of something may not generate a new copyright if its not deemed to involce any real creative input on your part. For more on such things, take a look at c:Commons:Derivative works, c:Commons:2D copying and c:Commons:Own work.

Uploading a photo to Wikimedia Commons is not really too hard of a thing to do; first you will need to have a file of the photo available on your computer or some other device that can access the Internet. Then, you can use c:Commons:Upload Wizard to upload the file. Before you do so, however, you might want to take a look at c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:License revocation for some general information on what it means to upload a photo to Commons. Bascially, you'll be making a version of your photo available for others to freely use in whichever way the please at anytime they please without needing to separately seek your permission. You still will retain copyright ownership over the photo and can require reusers of your photos to acomply with the terms of whatever license you choose, but it will be your responsibility to enforce the terms of whichever license you choose. In addition, once you release a file under such a free license, you can really change your mind and take it all back at some later date.

FWIW, I'm not posting such things to discourage you from uploading your photos because many Wikipedia articles can benefit from photos (particularly high-quality encyclopedically relevant photos), but you should understand what it means to do so. There's no way to restrict the use of your photos to only Wikipedia or only in certain ways under the terms of the free licenses that the Wikimedia Foundation accepts, and some people only find this out after it's too late and they find their photos being used on some other website or by some other party completely unreated to Wikipedia.

Now, if you or someone else (with your permission) has already posted these photos somewhere online or published them in some print publication, you should also take a look at c:Commons:VRT#Licensing images: when do I contact VRT? to see whether any of that applies to your photos. You can still uploaded such photos, but some further verification of your copyright authorship might be needed. If after reading all of this, you still want to upload your photos, you should try to upload as high a resolution of the photo as possible without its original Exif data since low resolution scans or photoshopped versions of photos often get flagged as possible copyright violations and may require further verification.

One last thing, everything I posted above related to Wikimedia Commons is related to the copyright status of the photo. Wikimedia Commons is mainly concerned with the copyright status of the content it hosts; it's not really too concerned with how such content is used on Wikipedia or by other thirs-parties. Image use on Wikipedia needs to be done in accordance with Wikipedia:Image use policy and sometimes there can be disagreements about the contextual relevance of an image to the subject of an article. So, much like with respect to textual content, there can be disagreements among Wikipedia editors as to how to use images in articles and such disagreements are expected to be resolved per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Citation help with a new draft for Glamour Shots article

Hello. I've never written an article before, so I'm sure I have issues. I am trying to publish this stub: Draft:Glamour Shots

I keep getting rejected for my citations, but I have 3 news outlet sources including the NY times all with a focus on the subject. I know there are strict rules for publication, but Glamour Shots is a highly recognizable business name, and they produced a highly recognizable aesthetic that helped to define the 1990s. There has to be a way to make this work. I just wanted to get a stub in there to get started. Khabuda (talk) 02:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I recall Glamor Shots!! It definitely was all the rage in the 90s. I hope someone helps you with your article soon. Have a good night. JD (talk) 02:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Khabuda. You really only have two sources. A photo gallery that accompanies an article is not a separate source. Plus, your draft is only two sentences long. An acceptable encyclopedia article should have better bones. and far more meat on the bones. Cullen328 (talk) 03:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate your feedback. Regarding your point on the length, I submitted the draft as a stub. Based on the Wikipedia article for a stub, I thought that one or two sentences would be enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub

Is what I have not adequate in length per those guidelines? The citations I suppose I understand. Khabuda (talk) 03:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Khabuda Hello there. For stubs, one or two sentences may be enough. However, these sentences do not show encyclopaedic quality. The writing style is more descriptive narrative rather than informative. The sources you also use do not establish at least small amounts of notoriety and do not meet WP:CORP guidelines and by extension, the general notability guidelines. Ray 04:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Currently, the NYT article is locked behind a paywall. But based on what I'm seeing here, only two (maybe three if I get to see the NYT article) reliable sources are here. Three is not enough to establish notoriety. In addition to this, the articles document the current state of the brand instead of actually documenting the history to support your claims. This is all. Cheers, Ray 03:31, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Khabuda. I did some quick research and found a Texas Monthly article about a newer version of Glamour Shots, but it contains a little history on the original business: https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/latino-glamour-shots-trend/ Also, one of your references mentions the number of Glamour Shots locations at the peak of popularity, so that number is something that could be added. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Khabuda, according to the definition at WP:STUB, A stub is an article deemed too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject.. I do not understand why an editor would set out to write a stub in 2022. I have been an active editor for 13 years and have written over 100 new articles. None of them are stubs and I never intend to write a stub. Maybe stubs were appropriate way back in the early days of Wikipedia but this project is 22 years old now and has over 6.5 million articles. What we need instead are new articles that "provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject". Cullen328 (talk) 04:53, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Ray. Please note that the condition for accepting a draft article into Wikipedia is that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Notoriety is something different! ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg

How can I delete the empty article in Italian, this one is here https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Come_scrivere_una_voce/Utente_avanzatoauch ? The article also exists in English. Wname1 (talk) 11:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

it:Aiuto:Come scrivere una voce/Utente avanzatoauch doesn't exist, Wname1; but if it did exist and you wanted to know how to apply to delete it, you'd have to find out at it:Wikipedia, not here. -- Hoary (talk) 11:52, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

My page

Hey! Hoping to get some advice on how I could get my page accepted. Can anyone help out?

Thanks so much!

Lucas Lucasgorelick (talk) 21:30, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

There are zero "pages" on Wikipedia, only articles on notable topics, there is nothing in your draft to suggest that you are notable yet sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lucasgorelick: Please be aware there is no such thing as your page in Wikipedia. If your draft is ever accepted it will become the Wikipedia's article about you. You'll have no more rights to it and no more control over its contents than any other editor. Please see WP:OWN and WP:5P. --CiaPan (talk) 21:53, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Cleaned Draft:Lucas Gorelick up a bit, but the comments left be the reviewers indicate that you probably do not meet WP:GNG. David notMD (talk) 03:57, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Nothing in the (mostly unreferenced) "Work" section contributes to notability. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

BCE, CE/BC, AD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru has both BC and BCE, sometimes in the same sentence; in one of them BCE was changed to to BC recently. From a quick look at Teahouse archives I get the impression that the policy is to to use BCE rather than BC in articles like this. Is there a general policy about the use of BCE and CE rather than BC and AD? Presumably use should be consistent in all articles. Mcljlm (talk) 01:07, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

You can refer to this section for guidance. Hope that helps! Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 01:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

That section doesn't appear to deal with my question, apart from "Use either the BC–AD or the BCE–CE notation consistently within the same article" which is logical.

Incidentally, I wasn't notified of your reply though I notified about totally unrelated Village pump and Teahouse page changes in threads to which I hadn't contributed. Mcljlm (talk) 10:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm, the lack of a notification was due to the lack of a ping by the responding user. See WP:PING. --Quisqualis (talk) 23:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Quisqualis. Does that mean it's advisable to ping in most replies?

Since my original question hasn't been answered would it be better posted at WP:Village pump Mcljlm (talk) 17:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Now that people can subscribe to talk page sections, pinging someone isn't needed as much to get their attention, but it's still useful to do so to make it appear as an alert () to differentiate it from notifications (). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:30, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm, I believe you have been pointed to the advice at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Era_style regarding BC / BCE. If that material doesn't answer your question, you might want to post at the WP:Help desk --Quisqualis (talk) 20:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

On notifications @Quisqualis I was referring to email notifications. Mcljlm (talk) 12:38, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mcljlm I think that section is all we have to refer to, so I think the answer is "pick one," and if there is a contextual reason you feel one is more appropriate than the other, let that be your guide. Otherwise flip a coin. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:RETAIN, the answer is 'use whatever the article originally used'. The article in question looks to have been using BCE / CE around when it was started. MrOllie (talk) 20:29, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hunter Biden laptop controversy

I'm having a hard time understanding this one. At Hunter Biden laptop controversy, the first sentence states: "The Hunter Biden laptop controversy involves a laptop computer that belonged to Hunter Biden," - there was a recent change that removed the word "allegedly" from the last part. It used to say "that allegedly belonged to Hunter Biden". However, the rest of the lead, and indeed, the rest of the article, is quite clear on the point that reliable sources consistently describe the laptop's origin as unknown, and that it may have belonged to Hunter Biden at one point, and such ownership has never been proven.

How can we state, in Wikipedia's voice, that the laptop belonged to Hunter Biden, in the first sentence of the article, when the rest of the article clearly states that no one is sure if Hunter Biden owned it? Isn't this a violation of some sort of policy? Wes sideman (talk) 13:38, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wes sideman This seems to have been discussed extensively at Talk:Hunter Biden laptop controversy/Archive 2#RfC about ownership of the laptop and that Talk Page is the place to air any of your current concerns. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Mike. Wes sideman (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

'refimprove'

I've had a number of 'refimprove' come up on a number of articles I've created. I understand the meaing of these, but I am using a template copied directly from verified pages (and editing the links/references) where necessary. Is there anything else I can be doing to prevent this happening? Examples: 1989–90 Charlton Athletic F.C. season & 2007–08 Chesterfield F.C. season Talbot140690 (talk) 10:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Talbot140690 These tags are added by other editors, not bots, and you can see who added them from the page history. In the case of both articles you linked, it was @User:Onel5969 and you can ask them to explain why they did so either on their Talk Page or on the Talk Page of the article. Communicating and collaborating with other editors is at the heart of building Wikipedia Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Talbot, (and thanks for the ping Michael D. Turnbull), one of the pillars of WP is WP:VERIFY, so everything in your article needs to be supported by references. The issue with your articles, although they have been marked "reviewed", is that there is information in the large tables you've created which is not supported by the single reference. In the first article you reference above, for example, that single reference, while it does give the backup for the match and its score, does not contain information on the venue or attendence. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Understand now, makes complete sense. Thanks both. Talbot140690 (talk) 14:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia commons doubt

Hello sir/madam, my doubt here is what if the video that I have taken as source for uploading a image to Wikimedia commons gets deleted.....will my image also get deleted and will I become responsible? Thank you 456legend(talk) 04:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

This doesn't seem like it relates to Wikipedia. Rather, it's for Wikimedia as shown by the title. Please contact their help desk instead. Ray 05:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@456legend: See c:Commons:Help desk. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 05:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 456legend. It appears that you are uploading copyrighted images without providing any evidence that the images are freely licensed in an acceptable way. All Wikimedia projects take copyright violations very seriously, so be 100% sure that any images you upload are either in the public domain or freely licensed. Cullen328 (talk) 05:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 sir, can you show me the files that I have uploaded in a wrong way? I have provided all the sources for Wikimedia common files and the respective licenses are stating that they are reusable under creative commons and coming to the license of Bollywood Hungama they are acceptable under cc by bollywood hungama license. Please check them on the respective youtube video links I have given as source and reply me here (please tag me when replying) Thank you 456legend(talk) 05:37, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dudhhr Okay sir Thank you, I will contact them. 456legend(talk) 05:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Raymond Kestis Okay sir thank you 456legend(talk) 05:38, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

456legend, when I go to the Bollywood Hungama website, it says clearly on the bottom of the home page Copyright © 2022 Hungama Digital Media Entertainment Pvt. Ltd. All Rights Reserved. "All rights reserved" is by definition incompatible with free licensing, where only the right of attribution is reserved. Cullen328 (talk) 05:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 That is on the website but the Bollywood hungama provided this discussion on the ticket conversation:

Bollywood Hungama (formerly IndiaFM) grants permission to copy, distribute and/or modify this photograph, provided it is:

attributed to Bollywood Hungama;

from BollywoodHungama.com (with a link to the source page);

of a Bollywood set, party, or event in India;

taken by a Bollywood Hungama photographer;

This permission does not extend to:

screenshots, wallpapers, vacation pictures, promotional posters;

photographs copyrighted by others;

and similar exceptions.

Ticket is CC-BY-3.0 license, via OTRS ticket:2008030310010794, under the mentioned above conditions 456legend(talk) 05:55, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Additionally you can check this on wikimedia commons category: Category:Unreviewed files from Bollywood Hungama(this category is available on Wikimedia commons) along with the ticket. Also to mention about 14,500 files are uploaded using this license.

and I am following the mentioned conditions

1. I have mentioned the source link

2. using only events/parties images

3. no screenshots/wallpapers or posters uploaded by me 456legend(talk) 05:57, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

456legend, in my opinion, the copyright declaration on the website home page is authoritative. If this company wants to freely license their images, then they should say that on their home page, instead of saying "all rights reserved". There is a major contradiction here and that does not fly, in my opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 06:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I sent you a message on talk page 456legend(talk) 06:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I got pinged by the discussion on Cullen's talk page, User_talk:Cullen328#Our_discussion_from_Teahouse, responded there in some detail, and got curious enough to follow back here. I'm a Commons license reviewer which is the mechanism we have for answering the original question asked here, "what if the video that I have taken as source for uploading a image to Wikimedia commons gets deleted.....will my image also get deleted"? Commons has a number of people that go and review the licenses on images from videos and other web pages, and mark them with a template that says "I verify that at this date, this image was actually marked with this license on this web page". That's called https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:License_review. That way if the video gets deleted, we generally take the reviewer's word for it. It's a position of some trust, not quite as much as being an administrator (all Commons administrators are also License reviewers automatically), but still requires noticeable experience with telling when images are likely truly licensed, and when they probably aren't correctly licensed. You put a https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:LicenseReview tag on your image and in theory a License reviewer will eventually get to it. Of course, like so much on our volunteer project, the backlog with images waiting to be License reviewed is noticeable, so if you are really worried about specific videos vanishing, you can ask specific license reviewers to prioritize specific images.

Oh, the second part of the question "and will I become responsible?" - Commons definitely won't get mad at you because the source video vanished, that happens. In fact, Commons probably won't even get mad at you if you upload a few incorrectly licensed images in good faith - that are a number of people on YouTube and Flickr and other sites that put fake licenses on their images that they don't really own the rights to, and it can be hard to tell. We've got a whole list of Flick accounts we don't trust, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Questionable_Flickr_images, and that list grows regularly. We can only do the best we can. I've been uploading images for years, I've uploaded over 3000, I'm an experienced License reviewer, and even I occasionally make mistakes. Now if you make a habit of uploading copyright violations, especially after you've had it explained to you how to tell, then you'll get blocked. But if you make a mistake in good faith, you'll be all right. --GRuban (talk) 14:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Non-free image usage

Would Fig 4 from this journal be acceptable under our policy when used on the Cheracebus article? - UtherSRG (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG Yes, in addition to that article being open access, it is licensed with what here we call CC BY SA 4.0, as you can see if you search for "Rights and permissions" at the URL you supplied. Hence (with attribution) you can upload the figure to Wikimedia Commons and use it in a Wikipedia article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:53, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Great! Does this also allow us to split the images for the articles of the individual species where we don't yet have a better image? - UtherSRG (talk) 14:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the license allows any modification of the image you like, provided you attribute the original in the description of how you made derivative work, on the Commons page for your version. The fact that creative commons licenses allow this puts some people off licensing their work in the first place, as they have no control over the use to which it will be put. The only restriction is that you must license the derivative with exactly the same license as the original: that's what the "SA" in the license means. Note that if you are doing simple crops of a larger image, there is a good tool for that on Commons which will ensure the licensing is OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: Um, I'm not too sure about this. The caption of Figure 4 is "Titi monkeys, genus Cheracebus. Illustrations by Stephen D. Nash ©Conservation International", which indicates that the illustrations of the monkeys are copyrighted. To use the illustrations in a Wikipedia article, I think you'd have to get Conservation International (whatever that is) to agree to release them under an acceptable license. See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission and Wikipedia:Example requests for permission for how you might go about that. Deor (talk) 16:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Ugh. That's why I'd asked in the first place... So, the journal article was published with CC BY SA 4.0, and includes CR material. Does the article being CC BY SA 4.0 imply that the article authors already received permission from the image owner to publish the images under CC BY SA 4.0? - UtherSRG (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: I would not assume that. If it were so, the attribution to Stephen D. Nash would have sufficed. I don't think that academic authors are always conversant with the niceties of copyright law, and they may have wished their own contributions (the overwhelming majority of the article) to be CC-BY-SA 4.0 without realizing that the copyrighted figure couldn't be included under that licence without the express permission of the copyright holder. On the other hand, they might have obtained such permission and not realized that including the "©Conservation International" notice conflicted with it. I myself am certainly not a copyright expert, and you may want to run the problem by the folks at Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Deor (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I'll head over there and ask. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Help required in review

Hello sir/madam, I have recently created a article by translating it from another language Wikipedia into English using Wikipedia:Content translation tool. A 5 day old user placed a maintanence tag stating that it is promotional content. I accept that there might be some mistakes due to the translation tool that literally translates the content. I then immediately changed to normal tone removing any content looking like promotional. Can someone please review it? I feel the article needs more citations but it's not a promotional content. Please review the article: Kalpika Ganesh. And to mention this person who placed the maintenance tag is a 5day old user and when I checked his talk page there is already a discussion asking him what he is doing in the Articles for deletion area. So if anyone can help me in this please guide me. And also try to educate the person about Wikipedia. Thank you 456legend(talk) 17:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Also please guide me and educate me if I am at fault. Thank you 456legend(talk) 17:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done It looks like another contributor also disagreed with the application of a promotional maintainence tag, and removed it. BlueNoise (Désorienté? It's just purple) 17:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response sir.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 456legend (talk • contribs) 17:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Grayscale draft help

Hi editors,

I'm Ben and I work for Grayscale Investments. I've been trying to seek help with improving a draft I created for Grayscale and am confused about how to proceed, and feel I've gotten some conflicting responses. I understand that I have a conflict of interest and editors are wary of those who are paid, but I have done my best to follow all the rules and write in a neutral way.

I have been told that because I have a COI, it is "unlikely" I could ever write an unbiased article. When I asked for specific tips on how to improve the draft at WikiProject Companies I was told that I would not be helped because of my COI. I've also asked for help at WikiProject Cryptocurrency and WikiProject Finance & Investment.

So I'm a little confused. I have tried to follow the rules, and been told both that I can't create something that follows the guidelines and it's my responsibility to write something that follows the guidelines but I won't receive help because I have a COI. What I'm really looking for is someone to point out specific language that is problematic or other issues with the draft. I'm not sure how to proceed at this point. My original draft was deleted for "unambiguous promotion" before I could ask any questions of the reviewing editor. The draft I uploaded is virtually identical to that initial draft, only the short description has been removed. My goal is to make a valuable contribution to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure where to go to get feedback on the draft content itself. Any help or insight anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated. BenViagas (talk) 21:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

BenViagas Appears you have properly declared your paid connection on your User page. Draft:Grayscale Investments was Speedy deleted in August. You have created a new, not yet submitted draft. I see that there is quite a bit of referenced content about Grayscale at Digital Currency Group, its parent company. Would any of that content improve your draft? If so, your could copy that, providing attribution to where you got it in an Edit summary. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

"...largest digital currency asset management company in the world..." can be seen as promotional wording, even if true and referenced. Consider removing that statement from the lede and body of the draft before submitting. David notMD (talk) 21:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@BenViagas I have skimmed the article and sources, and I can safely say you're one of the few editors with COIs that actually wrote an article from a neutral point of view. With a few exceptions. Stating that it is the "largest digital currency asset management company in the world", three times no less, can be seen as emphasizing a marketable status which can be seen as promotional. I suggest removing it. I also suggest removing "the first" in the SEC-reporting blah-blah-blah. Considering emphasizing that it is "the first" can be seen as promotional, so replace that with an "a" (which I will do personally, actually). Other than that, it's good. Ray 00:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft Help

I hear help is friendly at the Teahouse. I would be very appreciative of some help. I have been editing pages on and off for about 3-years. I went to an index page that had several persons with the same name listed but the person I was searching for was missing, so I decided to create my very first article! I'm excited. Here is the index page I saw (and interesting to note, a couple of those links lead to one-sentence stubs). And here is the draft I created. I recently submitted it for review. I am grateful for feedback, direction, advice, etc. Thank you! JD (talk) 01:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft:Jason O. Wilson (author) Declined three times and resubmitted. Comments left by rviewers. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Please read below. JD (talk) 13:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Jdphiladelphia, and welcome to The Teahouse.

As David mentioned above, reviewers left comments on the page. I would recommend reading these, and the pages they linked, including the Wikipedia:Writing better articles page.

If these don't help, or you have further questions, you can ask the AFC Help Desk by going here.

Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 09:08, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Please read below. Thank you. JD (talk) 13:39, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Wow, very disappointing and discouraging feedback. Yes, the article has been declined by multiple reviewers, which is why I'm here at the Treehouse. I originally submitted the article a few MONTHS ago, in MAY 2022. That was probably my BEST work, my very first submission. In general, a reviewer tells me to do something, I do it, then the next reviewer gives me seemingly opposite feedback. One says TOO many citations. The next says too FEW citations. One said make the article LONGER. Another said make the article SHORTER. I went to a chat group here on Wikipedia (I forget the name) and a very kind soul went through each citation with me and explained which ones were legit per Wikipedia's guidelines and which were not (for example, one citation did not have a BYLINE) and I had linked to a source that was forbidden; I think it was IMDB). He even helped me find a new citation. So helpful! I resubmit the article. Declined again. At some point I asked if I should delete the draft and start over, and I was advised to keep going through the process.

By the way, on my Talk page, you can see where I RESPONDED to each REVIEWER advising them I have completed their suggestion(s). The most recent reviewers gave some good pointers, and once again, I have followed everything they told me to the LETTER to the best of my ability. For example, I read the articles they linked too. In fact, the article that @EchidaLives referenced above, I read it TWICE (which takes a lot of time), and that article helped me reorder the article to put the most CRITICAL and IMPORTANT info upfront in the first paragraph. And I submitted it once again.

Meanwhile, to be extra "safe," I thought I'd try the Treehouse to get an extra set of eyes before it gets declined again. Except, for some reason, the two people giving me feedback here in the Treehouse so far simply tell me to consult the feedback & article that I've already consulted. So yeah, so discouraging. Perhaps you can not see all my edits? Again, I think the very first submission was best. It's like there's been 12 different English teachers advising me how to write the article. Ironically, I majored in English in college and was editor in chief of my college newspaper. So I'm a decent writer to say the least (I also write poetry). Anyhow, I'm very disappointed and a bit frustrated. I have tried to keep my excitement about my first article getting published. The only encouragement is that I do see a few other people in the Treehouse having challenges too. Another encouragement is that I got a notification last night that I've made my 100th edit! So I was in such good spirits turning to the Treehouse to "cover all bases," and then I get the remarks that I did, basically, "read what you've already read." And respectfully, what does "COURTESY" mean, @David notMD? JD (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jdphiladelphia On Talk pages in general and especially at the Teahouse, the more experienced contributors will sometimes add missing information so everyone else reading a post can see the background and a link to the draft or article in question. There is a template {{courtesy link}} that can be placed in front of such a comment, although in this case David notMD didn't use it. He just meant "as a courtesy to other readers, here's some useful extra information". Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks, makes sense. I added a lot more detail, so hopefully that helps others help me better as well. 👍🏽 JD (talk) 15:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, "COURTESY" is shorthand for a communication to other Teahouse hosts, to brief them on status of a draft. David notMD (talk) 16:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree you were right to scale it back from a 30+ referenced 'referencing bombing', but you may have over-compensated. As written now, there is no text nor references about his onvolvment in martial arts, nor how that factors in to his Cave of Adullam. And all of us stumble on adapting our knowledge in our own fields (you: English and writing; me: biochemistry) and Wikipedia's requirements for encyclopedic verification. Persist. David notMD (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I will work on that next, thanks for giving me something specific to work on. I aspire to get it published and hope it can organically grow from other editors. What is so wild is that another person with the same name listed on the index page has two sentences with no citations for their whole article. The darts player, for example. A darts player! And the triathlete has only one sentence. One sentence! Yes, his entire Wikipedia article is a single sentence. Add a black man into the mix (the article I'm drafting), and it can seem like (emphasis on seem like) there is suddenly a demand for more citations, more facts, better writing, etc. It can be tempting to wonder that. But in all seriousness, I realize the articles about the darts player and triathlete were created in 2017 and 2016 respectively (albeit both edited this year), and I see a note on both about being a stub. So those must have been added during an era when Wikipedia was less demanding. Truly, thank you for taking the time to review & respond. I am actually grateful to fix or improve anything a Reviewer points out and simply hope that doing so will eventually result in an acceptance instead of yet another a new Reviewer finding yet something different to improve, another hoop to jump through. I mean, articles can be perfected until infinite, right? Nevertheless, I shall persist. Thank you for the nudge. That is my word for the rest of the month: Persist. It just won't be tonight. Tired. Lol. Have a good night/day. JD (talk) 01:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

draft notability reasoning

hi i wrote this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Megan_A._K._Peters it was rejected because the professor's career is too young and their work is not yet notable enough. however i dont think the notable thing about this professor is their research (yet, anyway), but rather their founding role in major movements in open science and online education. there are several articles about the project, theyve been interviewed for several podcasts, and they just won the international open science award for it too. 2601:199:4303:5180:81DF:C43A:89F3:2B8 (talk) 07:08, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 2601:199:4303:5180:81DF:C43A:89F3:2B8! As is very common, you may be misunderstanding the meaning, in the context of Wikipedia editing, what Wikipedia means by "notable" and "notability." It is not a question of what or how many useful, praiseworthy etc. things a person has done, but rather how much about the person and their doings has been published in Reliable sources that are independent of the person or anyone connected to the person. This is often particularly difficult to demonstrate in the case of scientists and other scholars, because most published material is likely to be about their published scientific papers, etc. rather than the person themself, and much of it is published by institutions that they belong to, which can be used to confirm facts but not notability. Ironically, material from non-scientific sources, such as news journals and magazines, is often of more help notability-wise.

So, for example, it's not enough to cite a source confirming the fact that Megan Peters founded a movement (though the citation is needed to verify that fact): what is needed to demonstrate her notability is a cited source explicitly stating why her doing so is significant. It may be easy for us to infer that it was important, but this borders on WP:Synthesis, which is not admissible. See Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for what can help to establish notability for such a person.

FWIW, I think Megan Peters is probably notable (and in due course will undoubtably be – see WP:Too soon), but it may not be easy to find the appropriate sources to demonstrate it. Writing a Wikipedia article is hard, but Wikipedia has no deadlines, so please persevere! Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.157.244 (talk) 08:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Declined is less severe than Rejected. The latter means that the Reviewer believes there is no potential to succeed. David notMD (talk) 09:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Help to create an Wikipedia article in English

Hello, I am Vyolltsa and I created and submitted an article in English recently. The article was declined and I understand it why. Just wanted someone from the community to either help me how to better work on it or can help me create it in English. The person I would like to have an article in English is notable in Albania. One of the well-known essayist and journalist in country. Thank you! Vyolltsa (talk) 10:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Elsa Demo. The sources are mainly in Albanian, which may limit those able to assist. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Vyolltsa. Have you tried asking for assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania? You might find someone there who is familiar with the subject matter and can offer suggestions as to whether this person would meet WP:BIO for an English Wikipedia article to be written about them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

What to do about a personal attack from an editor.

One of my edits was reverted, which is fair enough as I didn't thoroughly check my work. But, the editor that did so personally attacked me in the edit summary. It seems like This user has a history of doing this to other editors, so I'm not sure what I should do about it.. This is the diff, [1], and the editor is User:Wjfox2005. KaraLG84 (talk) 13:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, your edit was correct in the first place. I misread the difference between edits. Wjfox2005 (talk) 13:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Wjfox200, regardless of whether the edit was correct, "please learn English" is arguably a violation of WP:CIVIL, so KaraLG84’s complaint has some merit.

Your other edit summaries of "What is wrong with you? Seriously. Get a grip." or "stop being a bootlicking cap-doffer" are definitely violations of the civility policy, though. I have read the page history for 2022_in_the_United_Kingdom, and I do not see any context that excuses those edit summaries. I note that another editor already warned you for the last of those on your talk page in early October.

Please be more polite in your interactions with other editors, even/especially those who disagree with you.

You have been editing for quite a long time, so I guess you already know that, but anyway... If you think someone is unduly pushing their point of view, try to discuss it (on a talk page, not via edit revert summaries) and if it fails, escalate on the appropriate forums (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard for instance). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

• @KaraLG84: See Wikipedia:Civility#Dealing_with_incivility for future reference. Note that opening a thread about user conduct (at WP:ANI) is step number 8; I am concerned with Wjfox200’s abusive edit summaries (as outlined above), but I do not think it is needed for now. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks a lot @Tigraan. That'll be helpful. KaraLG84 (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Antifragility in lifeforms

I would like some help and advice regarding antifragility across species. I have some ideas which consitute as antifragile species but this was denied as vandalism (coyote and tree-of-heaven). AspiringAntifragilista (talk) 14:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AspiringAntifragilista, and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't looked at your edits, but it sounds from your question as if you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Original research is not permitted anywhere in Wikipedia. If you can cite a reliable source saying that such and such a species is antifragile, then it may be possible to add this information to an article about the species). Note however that citing a source is a necessary but not sufficient condition: you will also need to achieve consensus that this is suitable information to add. If there is a substantial body of work about antifragility, this may be straightforward; if it is a single researcher's idea that nobody else has yet picked up, probably not. (Again, I haven't investigated this: I'm giving you a general answer). ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Based on the details you've provided, it sounds like you want to write original research about antifragility, which is not suitable for Wikipedia. In order to justify the creation of an article or addition of content, you need to provide citations to reliable sources that back up the claims you are writing. For a complex subject such as antifragility, you would be expected to find peer-reviewed scientific publications. Google Scholar is a good place to start your search. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Getting Ready to Write my First Article

So I asked a while back on writing an article about the book God Is My Co-Pilot, inspiration for the film God is my Co-Pilot. So I have two questions.

1) Where is the best place to find reviews or papers talking about a book that is 79 years old?

2) The Museum of Aviation in Warner Robins, GA has an exhibit on Robert Lee Scott, Jr. and his book. Will the film about him, his accomplishments, and the book, and the accompanying exhibit be considered an impartial source, therefore, useable for an article?

Thanks, A1139530 (talk) 12:35, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @A1139530, welcome back. If you didn't see all the replies to your last post, it's archived here, and has many helpful pointers to sources you could use. The film is not going to be useful in this case; perhaps a documentary published by a highly respected research organization might be useful as a source in some articles, but a 1945 Hollywood biopic is... very far from that, let's just say. Information from the placards at the exhibit might be more usable, but very hard for other folks to verify. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

The Film was made by the Museum about him and his life accomplishments. Would it however, be considered a bad source because he had worked for the museum for many years after his retirement from the Air Force? A1139530 (talk) 12:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I am referring not the film that the book was inspired from, but the film that was made in the 90's talking about what he did, and his accomplishments. It is viewed upon walking into his exhibit. It DOESN'T (all caps to distinguish the topic of the informational film) is not the movie, but it discusses why he wrote the book, his accomplishments in war, and his life story. A1139530 (talk) 13:01, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello A1139530. In regards to the film documentary made by the museum, did any newspapers or magazines do a review of it? If so, a review would be easier to cite as a reference. Since Scott worked for the museum that might bias them to some extent, but if the museum has a good reputation it should be considered reliable.

As for finding reviews for a 79 year old book, some large libraries (both public and college) have bound copies of old magazines, and / or microfilm rolls of old newspapers, such as The New York Times. If you could find a source stating a newspaper or magazine reviewed the book on a certain date, that would make it easier to find the review, as opposed to looking through weeks of issues in search of one. If the book has a good reputation for accuracy there may be history books on military aviation that mentions the book, or may give a short quote from it. (If the new book does no more than list God is My Co-Pilot as having been written, that won’t be helpful, but if it states the book is important, or a good source of accurate information, that could help show notability.) Go to as many libraries as you can and check history book indexes.

Have you read the books listed in the bibliography of the Robert Lee Scott, Jr. article? They may give useful information about God is My Co-Pilot. Best wishes on completing your article draft. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I saw the source that you gave me in your previous reply for the topic before my other Teahouse article. I will read your source when I get into my PC. I do not like editing on my laptop. A1139530 (talk) 16:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Sources for academic

I am writing a bio article for an academic.  I submitted the article, and it was rejected because my sources were not "reliable".  I asked why, and was told because they were connected to the subject of the bio.  So they told me one thing I could do is use Google Scholar to find articles he has written, and to see how many times they were cited.  He had over 100 scholarly articles published, and I did the search and they all came up, and I can see that each of them was cited many times by others.  I'm writing to ask how I can use this in my article in such a way that it's accepted.  Can I provide a link to the search results generally?  Or, so I have to just provide links to individual papers?

ElvisTheMan (talk) 20:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ElvisTheMan. As I see it, the problem with your references is not really the reliability of the sources but their lack of independence from the topic. One obvious problem is that your sections "Early Life and Education", "Academic Positions" and "Personal" are unreferenced, and that violates the core content policy Verifiability. If you have not already done so, I recommend that you read and study Wikipedia:Notability (academics), and as you improve your draft, keep in mind compliance with that guideline. I recommend that you create a list of roughly three to five of his most widely cited academic articles, in a "Selected publications" section. On your talk page, you compared your draft to Katsumi Nomizu, and asked why that article is acceptable but your draft isn't yet. What jumps out at me is that he was a co-author of the influential and widely reviewed Foundations of Differential Geometry, he won the prestigious Humboldt Prize, and the Kulkarni–Nomizu product is named after him and another mathematician. These are persuasive claims of notability. That being said, the Nomizu article also has some obvious problems including unreferenced content and is only rated C. You should try to emulate Good articles and Featured articles instead. Cullen328 (talk) 23:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Per ther reviewer, Draft:Donald A. Walker needs more refs. However, referencing to his publications contributes nothing toward confirming notability. David notMD (talk) 03:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

David notMD, I am not sure your second sentence is quite correct. Publishing something does not make one notable, true. However, having highly-cited publications does, per Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Specific_criteria_notes #1a. That guideline (notability for academics) overrides the need for GNG-level sources (unlike most WP:SNGs, which are guides to presume that GNG sources exist). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I am corrected for having over-simlpified. David notMD (talk) 18:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Page creator change please :)

Hello there! I have been doing work on the page Wolfe Glick and now have over 90% of the edits on the page. I took it from being declined twice to being a mainspace article. Is there anyway that I could this be credited as the article creator? I have done the vast majority of work on the page. Thank you! Schminnte (talk) 17:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Schminnte - can you explain what you mean by "be credited as the article creator"? On what page would you like to be credited that way? The editing history of the article itself cannot be changed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I was wondering if I could be credited as the page creator in the page information on Wolfe Glick. Reasons are above. I just don't know if that's possible or not. Schminnte (talk) 17:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure this article really belongs in Wikipedia. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Funnily enough, on that subject; it has been reviewed but is not being indexed even though the page information says it should be. Any thoughts? Schminnte (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

No, it hasn't been marked as "patrolled" by a new page reviewer yet, and it's still in the queue. DanCherek (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

A new article is NOINDEXed until it has been reviewed through New pages patrol. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Schminnte It is not technically possible for the page creator to be changed for the good reason that Wikipedia editing history deals in facts, not aspirations. Your contributions can however be seen at this Xtools page which summarises edits for that article. That is one of the link options at the foot of the information page. Incidentally, you didn't get the draft accepted by a new article reviewer, you just moved it to mainspace yourself. It may not survive the new pages patrol. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks all. This is only my second article I've ever got to this stage and appreciate all your help. Fingers crossed it passes the new pages patrol :) Schminnte (talk) 17:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Schminnte: I did a quick review, and it's unlikely the draft will be accepted in its present format. There's almost no independent third party coverage of the subject. It's mostly links to YouTube, and Pokeman gaming sites, but with little background about him. There's no context as to why he's notable enough for an article, as defined by Wikipedia. See WP:GNG. I did a search to help you out, and found [[2]] (unfortunately named as a blog, but it's something), [[3]] (a school paper but it's something), [[4]] (local interest but it's something), and [[5]] (also local only). Including those and other media sources should improve the sourcing, but I don't know that it will be enough. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

It's borderline, IMO. There seem a couple of apparently esports-specific media sources covering the subject in-depth, though one is an interview. I think it would probably survive AfD. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:33, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll put these references in. I'm continuing to expand the article.

Schminnte (talk) 18:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

FYI: Options for New Pages Patrol include accept, return to draft, nominate for deletion and Speedy deletion. Some editors (me, for example), will put on their User or Talk page the articles they have raised to Good or Featured Article, also listing the ones they created or significantly improved. There is really no other place for bragging rights.

AND, as of minutes ago, nominated for deletion. You can recommend Keep (once) there, with reasons succinctly given, and also work on improving the article while it undergoes the 7-10 days of consideration. At the end, an Administrator will make a decision. David notMD (talk) 18:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

FYI to those following this thread. AfD nomination was withdrawn when new sources were added. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Now I feel bad. There are probably many articles in Wikipedia that really don't need to be here, and I'm sure someone is proud of each one of them. And this one is kind of on the border, or so it seems to me. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

No need to feel bad. I realise that it seems a niche topic, but it really is a huge thing for the Pokémon community. I was actually surprised when I found out that Wolfe Glick didn't have an article compared to other prominent figures in the VGC community like Ray Rizzo, but I guess I'm biased. Anyhow, now I need to wait again. Cheers all. User:Schminnte 20:40, 28 October 2022 (UCT)

Help with retrieving deleted page

I'm a publicist whose clients page was deleted and have no access to the previous page. Any leads on how we can get it back up would be great. Thank You . TBurrrow (talk) 16:08, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@TBurrrow: Please follow the steps at WP:COIPAYDISCLOSE first. ––FormalDude (talk) 16:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @TBurrrow, welcome to the Teahouse. Once you've followed the above advice, you can make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. If you tell us the name of the article, we may be able to tell you why it was deleted. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:33, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Point being that some Teahouse hosts are also Administrators, and can see deleted articles. David notMD (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TBurrow. If Wikipedia's article about your client (which was not "your client's page") was deleted, it is likely that it was felt to be unsalvageable as a Wikipedia article: either your client simply does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (in which case no article about them is possible, and it would be a waste of your time and everybody else's to try), or they might meet the criteria but the article was hopelessly promotional and would have to be rewritten from scratch.

Which is all to say: an admin may be willing to restore the text for you to work on, but it is unlikely to be useful. If you haven't already read your first article, I recommend you do so. ColinFine (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Warning Message

Preview warning: Page using Template:Tooltip with unknown parameter "3 = unicode"

This warning message is showing when I am editing my userpage. And no problem for publishing but it shows. What's this and how to fix this. Eagle Site (talk) 10:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi there Eagle Site! The error appears to be caused by the Gender entry in the Template:Infobox Wikipedia user you are using. Removing "Male" from there & then previewing removes the error. However I don't know why it is causing such an error message as you appear to be using it correctly. Using Female in the Gender entry also generates the same error message. Yet Male or Female settings are working, that's what produces the Male or Female symbol to the right of the "Wikipedian" title on that info box. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject will know why this is causing an error message. Hope this is of some use! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 11:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

You used the template correctly—the template itself had a problem, so I requested the problem be removed (request permalink). Thanks to Paine Ellsworth for fixing it. Since this is the Teahouse, I'd like to note that I would not expect most new editors to figure this out—reporting the problem here suffices. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping Rotideypoc41352! To editors Eagle Site and LooksGreatInATurtleNeck: please be sure to give credit where credit is due... as a template editor, I was just the Lamborghini, while editor Rotideypoc41352 was the driver! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 00:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Is This Draft Good?

Hello! I recently revised the Delivery Solutions page and was wondering if someone could take a look and let me know if they think it is good to publish? Or if there is more revision needed? Thank you so much! Draft:Delivery Solutions Carolinecllw (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Carolinecllw It looks like it was deleted for blatant promotion, so no, it was likely not "good to publish". I recommend you check out this page for more information on why that might be. Hope that helps! Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

But after that I completely revised and have a new draft. Is there a way for you to see it or does it have to be published first? Carolinecllw (talk) 13:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Carolinecllw, where is this new draft? I don't see one in your edit history. If you wrote it somewhere else, then yes, you have to publish it on Wikipedia before any of us can see it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

IP editor 199.208.172.35: if you click on the link in Carolinecllw's post, you'll be taken to a page where the fact that drafts of that title have been deleted twice as unambiguous promotion. Hence there is nothing remaining for you to see. When drafts like that are deleted they also disappear from User edit histories. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull, yes, I am aware. The OP seems to be saying that they've written yet another version after the others were deleted, possibly offline, which they haven't "published" yet. I'm trying to get clarification. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I guess they should put it at Draft:Delivery Solutions, like the previous versions and yes, @Carolinecllw that's where it should go. Click on the red-link and you'll be allowed to create the page with your new version. However, beware that if the new version is not substantially better and less promotional than the previous ones it too may be deleted and the article title WP:SALTed so as not to waste the time of the volunteers here. You should also read WP:SOLUTION to understand why certain language in articles is not appropriate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi all! After careful re-writing and editing, hoping this latest Delivery Solutions page meets the correct criteria for publication. Would really appreciate someone taking a look and letting me know! Carolinecllw (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Delivery Solutions - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft is just paid for advertising, also see WP:SOLUTIONS. Theroadislong (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Not ready. For just one example, ref #7 is just a very brief DS mention in an article about A&F, and there is not mention in the refa for Belk or Vinyard. Check every ref. David notMD (talk) 23:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I restored the old deleted history and left a comment. The tone has improved, but the references are either press releases, interviews, or routine coverage in industry-specific magazines. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Carolinecllw, given that this company has been acquired by UPS, its content might find a home at the parent article. --Quisqualis (talk) 03:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Template help

Hello, Sir/madam, I have recently created this template: Template:N. T. Rama Rao series, can someone help me to change the top white text to black? because of the color ccontrast between yellow and white the text is not visible. Thank you 456legend(talk) 07:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 07:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you for the help. 456legend(talk) 08:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

greetings all

hello my name is kelly and im wondering if there is a group i can get involved with that is farely active and needs volunteers who are willing to learn i would like to meet some people online who may in the future help me with developing apps and other random projects. kellyiskey The Eighth Dimensions (talk) 09:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @The Eighth Dimensions, and Welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for wanting to help out!

If you're looking for a community to help at, you may want to find a WikiProject. (here's an excerpt from the wikiproject info page)

A WikiProject is a group of contributors who want to work together as a team to improve Wikipedia. These groups often focus on a specific topic area (for example, WikiProject Mathematics or WikiProject India), a specific part of the encyclopedia (for example, WikiProject Disambiguation), or a specific kind of task (for example, checking newly created pages).

To find a WikiProject based on creating content, such as a project based on Australian related articles or Physics related articles, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. Or, to find a WikiProject based on maintaining the site, such as helping fight vandalism or fixing typos, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Wikipedia.

Wikiprojects can be very overwhelming at first, so if you have any questions, you can have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject or feel free to reply here if you that page doesn't help. Thanks, and good luck! echidnaLives - talk - edits 10:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Citations etc

Hi. I've had an article declined about the artist Elizabeth Rauchwerger. I'm hoping that there may be more people out there that know about her, hence setting up a Wikipedia page that people will hopefully add to. She's an artist who is still living and painting, and her works are held in several national collections, and at The Royal College of Art (where she taught in the 1960's). I believe that she had several articles written about her in the 1960's and 1970's, but I can't find them online, so have nothing to link to. What can I do to create a page? Richard A Voyce (talk) 15:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Richard A Voyce, welcome to the Teahouse. In order to write a Wikipedia article, all material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. This is called verifiability. If you can't find any sources, we can't have an article about it. We do allow offline sources if you are able to find any. ––FormalDude (talk) 16:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Where an artist has works held in the permanent collection of a nationally or internationally-important museum or gallery, they are generally considered notable (see WP:ARTIST, but the problem is that even if they're notable, you can't write anything about them unless there is a source from which you can get the information. In the old days, Wikipedia didn't mind stub articles about people who were obviously notable; stubs appeared, and people expanded them. But WP is so big now that stubs are likely to hang around as stubs for years, and for that reason, stubs are now very much discouraged. You could flag that we need an article about her by adding her to WP:RA, the requested-article list, but subjects tend to hang around on that list for a long time. The best thing would be if you could trace any of those paper articles from the 1960's or 70's. Elemimele (talk) 09:56, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, FormanDude. I've managed to find a mention of Elizabeth Rauchwerger under her maiden name, Elizabeth Keys, in the RA Summer Catalogue of 1987 as being an exhibitor.

https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/art-artists/exhibition-catalogue/ra-sec-vol219-1987

Does this count? And if so, how do I go about adding it onto the page I'd started creating, please? (anmd thank you for your assistance). Kind regards, Richard Voyce Richard A Voyce (talk) 11:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for the typo, FormalDude... Richard A Voyce (talk) 12:16, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Essay for a real estate company

I want to publish an article that completely meets the requirement of publishing without being declined or blocked!!

In addition, I want someone guides me to do so, because i submitted an article before and it was rejected. 165.16.80.49 (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. There is a detailed set of instructions at Help:Your first article. The most important thing to do is to find multiple reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage of this organization. No press releases; not the organization's website; not interviews with the organization's personnel. These will prove notability and form the basis of the article. I'm not sure what you mean by "blocked" - I hope you don't mean that you have been blocked, either as an IP or when using an account. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

hi, no i have not been blocked at all, another thing i need a guide in private or talk page to publish my article Bushra Tughar (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bushra Tughar, I assume this is about the draft at User:Bushra Tughar/sandbox. You received several replies to your last question (archived here) but haven't made any changes to the draft. Wikipedia editors generally prefer to work out in the open, rather than privately. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

hello, please send me a detailed review of my draft, so that i can fix any mistake Bushra Tughar (talk) 11:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid there is no point in providing a detailed review. You need to scrap what you have written, find multiple, reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage of this organization. And write a fresh article based solely on what those sources say, citing those sources. If you cannot find such sources, then the article is not possible on this platform, though you might be able to find alternative outlets. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:06, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

New biographical article Draft:Thomas Martin (pathologist)

I'm writing this article about an Australian pathologist and have created a draft for it. I need help from expert BLP editors since there are very less reliable sources that I have found until now

Biographical sources:

• Centre for Transformative Innovation, Swinburne University of Technology. "Martin, Thomas John (Jack) - Person - Encyclopedia of Australian Science and Innovation". www.eoas.info. Retrieved 2022-10-29.
• Fioritti, Nathan (2016-11-22). "Professor Emeritus Thomas John Martin AO". Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry and Health Sciences. Retrieved 2022-10-29.

Scientific sources:

• Martin, Thomas J.; Hovis, Jeffrey D.; Costantino, Joseph P.; Bierman, Morris I.; Donahoe, Michael P.; Rogers, Robert M.; Kreit, John W.; Sciurba, Frank C.; Stiller, Ronald A.; Sanders, Mark H. (2000-03-01). "A Randomized, Prospective Evaluation of Noninvasive Ventilation for Acute Respiratory Failure". American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine. 161 (3): 807–813. doi:10.1164/ajrccm.161.3.9808143. ISSN 1073-449X.
• Karsdal, Morten A; Martin, Thomas J; Bollerslev, Jens; Christiansen, Claus; Henriksen, Kim (2007-01-16). "Are Nonresorbing Osteoclasts Sources of Bone Anabolic Activity?". Journal of Bone and Mineral Research. 22 (4): 487–494. doi:10.1359/jbmr.070109.
• Martin, Thomas J.; Procházka, K.; Munk, P.; Webber, S. E. (1996-01-01). "pH-Dependent Micellization of Poly(2-vinylpyridine)- block -poly(ethylene oxide)". Macromolecules. 29 (18): 6071–6073. doi:10.1021/ma960629f. ISSN 0024-9297.
• Anderson, S. J.; Greisemer, B. A.; Johnson, M. D.; Martin, T. J.; McLain, L. G.; Rowland, T. W.; Small, E. "Intensive Training and Sports Specialization in Young Athletes". publications.aap.org. Retrieved 2022-10-29.
• J. Martin, Thomas; R. Schmidt(rk), Richard (1992-10-06). "Efficient sialylation with phosphite as leaving group". Tetrahedron Letters. The International Journal for the Rapid Publication of Preliminary. 33 (41): 6123–6126. doi:10.1016/S0040-4039(00)60022-9. ISSN 0040-4039.

— CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 13:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@CrafterNova You don't seem to have started the draft yet, as there's a redlink in the section header here. Your two biographical sources are going to be the key, together with additional citations to verify that Martin won the various awards they mention such as the Eric Susman Prize. Overall you are trying to meet WP:NACADEMIC, so focus on one of criteria laid out at that link. Martin's publications are not really needed unless you can show they had a large impact in his field. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I have not created it yet because I have barely typed the first paragraph right now. I will keep working on it and will thoroughly read the BLP and notability policies. Thank you for your advice — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 14:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

COURTESY: Draft now exists at Draft:Thomas Martin (pathologist) David notMD (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

do you can to help me on creating article from this draft(link below)?

Draft:NateNet נתנאל שטרן (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@נתנאל שטרן Why don't you just read HELP:YFA and WP:REFB and create the draft you need to create. Wikipedia is designed for anyone to edit. Be that anyone. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

The draft does in fact exist, they're asking for it to be pushed to article namespace. That isn't happening at this point becuase there are no reliable sources or anything to indicate the subject is notable. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:00, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

DELETE SOURCE CODE SECTION. Add references before resubmitting. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you נתנאל שטרן (talk) 19:08, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, they had not created the draft they need to create, though I guess that was mildly ambiguous. They still have work to do.

🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

If my account is banned

If my account is banned from editing can I unblock it and if yes how? Luffyking101 (talk) 05:29, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Luffyking101 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You might want to read WP:BAN or WP:BLOCK as bans and blocks are referred to as different things on Wikipedia. Jolly1253 (talk) 07:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

You have had a draft Speedy deleted, but there is no warning on your account that your editing might lead to you being blocked, either for a specific time or indefinitely. Indef blocks can be appealed. David notMD (talk) 09:13, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. You can always appeal the block or ban. Follow the rules on Wikipedia to ensure that you won't be blocked or banned.Cwater1 (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Reporting user for name

I don't know where I am supposed to report this, but this user needs to be blocked for name violations. User:Grand Pa's nutts. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:08, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Moops - there's a board set up just for this purpose, UAA. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I will report them there then. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 18:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

What's the problem with noting that Grandpa's crazy?? (Ah ha ha ha ha ...)Uporządnicki (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia needs to make where it you can't sign up with certain names to comply with terms of use. They should check to see if you name comply or not. They check to make sure a name is not taken. Same way for social media. Social media build a feature to check the name to make sure it complies with their terms of use.Cwater1 (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a username filter. It's actually very well developed. סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 10:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

My Article got decline again despite passing WNG

My article got declined despite it passing not just mention but actual work from independent sources, with all due respect, He is prominently covered in many of the sources I provided. and online These are not articles with "a few mentions". You're flat out WP:GASLIGHTING at this point. and again

The sources are independent. they haven't @ Beckyrose233 (talk) 19:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

• Courtsey link: Draft:Godson Umeh. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Beckyrose233 Hello and welcome. The issue is not the outlets themselves, but their content. Interviews, glowing promotional pieces, and announcements do not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

331dot i added over 10 source there from reliable source and you mean to tell me that all 10 article are promotiobal pieces ? any evidence they are ? this is clearly not right how does donating sound promotional ? or grass to grace story of a celebrity sound promotional common we have over 100 celebrities grass to grace story out there on the internet are you trying to say they all should be tagged promotional ? and most of them have been use as ref i dont want to mention names Beckyrose233 (talk)

Beckyrose233 A source can be used on Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean it establishes notability. The sources break down this way

1. quotes his twitter postings, basically an interview
2. is an interview with him
3. is a brief piece about him that does little more than identify a client and give Mr. Umeh's motivation
4. has "Conquer Agency" as a byline, probably a paid promotional piece by his PR agency
5. is an announcement of a potential collaboration, a routine business activity
6. documents a public appearance with a celebrity
7. notes that he did work for a celebrity
8. is a brief mention that quotes him and tells of his work for celebrities
9. tells that he opened a showroom, a routine business activity
10. tells of some good work that he does for the underpriviliged

None of these things establish notability. The last source is probably the best of the group, but lots of people do charitable work. If you just want to tell the world about his good life story, this isn't the place to do that. 331dot (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page

I want to archive my talk page (User talk:Kilaseell), but i don't know how. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 22:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

See H:ARC. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, i don't get it at all --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 22:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Basically you choose either lowercase sigmabot III or ClueBot III (flip a coin) and paste one of the configuration templates shown there onto your talk page. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, i think i got it now lol --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 22:27, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

How to make a basic diagram about a battle/war?

(e.g Belligerents, length of battle/war)

also, i mean visual editor, not source code. ReelmsyWiki (talk) 19:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@ReelmsyWiki: It sounds as though you might want the template {{Infobox military conflict}}, though I have no idea how one might add that with the visual editor, which I've never used. If no one responds here, you might try asking the folk at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Deor (talk) 23:04, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding more information to a page

Hello,

I was going to try and edit a page and then found their was so much that needs to be corrected I didn't exactly know what to do. Maybe I am wrong to think it needs to be edited at all? Hope I can get some help with this.

Earlier I was trying to get specific information from the page Category:Cleaning product brands and found it to be incomplete/missing information.

First, I noticed the page only lists brands with actual pages on Wikipedia in the category. I was expecting to find a complete list of cleaning brands, not just the brands with pages on the site.

Second I found the list is omitting some major brands that actually do have pages created such as:

Persil Laundry Detergents

Spic and Span All-Purpose Cleaning Products

OxiClean All-Purpose Cleaning Products

Just to name a few.

Third, I noticed there are many brands not listed on the current page at all, including (Note: the following brands have not been checked to see if a page has already been made.):

All Laundry Detergent

Arm Hammer Laundry Detergents

Bon Ami Cleaning Products

Cascade Dishwasher Products

Fabuloso All-Purpose Cleaners

Finish Dishwasher Products

Formula 409 Multi-purpose Cleaners

Gain Laundry Cleaning Products

Goo Gone All-Purpose Cleaner

Kaboom! Household Cleaners

Method Cleaning Products

Mrs. Myers Household Cleaners

Pine Sol Multi-purpose Cleaner

Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner

The Pink Stuff All-Purpose Cleaners

I feel the "Category: Cleaning Product Brands" page should include all brands of cleaning products whether they have a page on Wikipedia or not.

Another thing I noticed was that this page was last edited on 14 May 2018, at 18:35. Does it need to be updated?

Thank you for helping me with this.

Fireballnyc (talk) 16:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Fireballnyc By long consensus Wikipedia is not a directory of everything. The category pages are deliberately set up so that they only contain links to articles within that category. If that were not so, you could argue by the same logic that Wikipedia should categorise everyone on the planet. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, by the nature of how categories work, they can only contain existing pages. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 16:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Fireballnyc: Some of the items you listed as "not listed on the current page at all", such as Arm & Hammer and Simple Green do have articles, and the articles do appear in Category:Cleaning products. Others, such as Pine-Sol, are in subcategories (in this case Category:Clorox brands, which is a subcategory of Category:Cleaning product brands, itself a subcategory listed in Category:Cleaning products). Deor (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Help In Submitting My Draft as I Have Fixed the Said Issue

Need help in Submitting My Draft as I Have Fixed the Said Issue and done my research on the subject and provided more sources and removed the other source

Draft:Godson Umeh - Wikipedia Links to articles to back most of the bullet points written in the report. After this recent update and changes to improve the draft, I honestly believe it to be deemed notable as there are a wide range of publications about the subject on the internet

, , , Beckyrose233 (talk) 18:49, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Beckyrose233: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1169. You have already submitted the draft for review; a reviewer will look at it eventually. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Godson Umeh reviewed and Declined on 29 October. See the "My article... entry below for comments on the quality of the references. David notMD (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

References

Finding authorship

How do you find out who has added content to a wiki page? 167.88.87.209 (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Page histories are public knowledge for the most part; look at the "History" tab, located at the top of every page. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:14, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

A green number means added. A red number means substracted. The numbers indicate bytes. David notMD (talk) 03:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

To locate which edit added or removed certain text, you can go to the wp:WikiBlame tool for any article by clicking Find addition/removal in External tools just under "Filter revisions" near the top of the article's "Revision history" page. N.b.: trying to find an edit manually can be very time-consuming. --97.115.126.127 (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Will someone please do my research for me?

This is a joke - speedy deletion is called for I think. However you may disagree. 66.102.220.148 (talk) 04:20, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Tag the article with a suitable db template. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect title

Please someone move José González (footballer, born 1988) to José González (footballer, born 1998). The current title is incorrect. 2804:14C:D4A1:823A:214D:EC:6C2C:57D8 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Done. RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

by the way, simple, uncontroversial title changes should be requested at wikipedia:requested moves/technical requests. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 04:57, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

ERROR IN YOUR ARTICLE ON WILLIAM COWPERS BRANN

In the article on Wm. Cowpers Brann the article states " On April 1, 1898, Brann was walking alone on Waco's Fourth Street when he was shot in the back by Tom Davis, a Baylor supporter whose daughter was a student at the University." Brann was not alone, as he was accompanied by W.H. Ward who grabbed Davis' gun preventing him from firing until he (Ward) was shot in the hand. Ward was tried but acquitted and told to leave town for his own safety. Davis had 5 daughters and one son. All the daughters attended Baylor and their aunt(Tom's sister Maggie Davis Allen) had bestowed a large sum of money and some property to Baylor. The Sheriff's report and the testimonies are all on the internet and can be viewed for free. Tom Davis was my Great Grandfather. His son James was my mother's father. 2601:1C0:6080:3FD0:64B3:25A5:58DD:A5D2 (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I assume you mean William Cowper Brann. Wikipedia reports what reliable sources report. Do you have a reliable source for your assertion? If, so feel free to propose this as Talk:William Cowper Brann. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:26, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Didn't understand a notification

Hi, (again)

I just got this:

"An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Roly-Poly (T-ara song), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Musical."

Can somone explain this to me please? RWikiED20 (talk) 09:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree that message is not very helpful. Wikilinks in articles should not lead to a disambiguation page. If you click on that link you will see that it leads to a page describing the different meanings of the word musical. It should instead link to musical theatre. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:50, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @RWikiED20, this means that, when you added a link in the article, it pointed to a disambiguation page, which does not point to the target article you wanted. I think I fixed it in this edit. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:52, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

oh, I got that. Thank you! RWikiED20 (talk) 10:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

BC/AD vs BCE/CE

I would be interested to know why the article titles on years, decades, centuries, and millennia use the BC/AD system of dates rather than BCE/CE. I've seen both conventions used in Wikipedia articles and am aware of the policy of MOS:ERA which says to use the one based on the context of the article as they are both correct. My question to you is why the article titles on years, decades, centuries, and millennia use the BC/AD rather than BCE/CE and who made the decision to use the titles? Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Generally when someone starts an article that requires an era desgnation, the editor simply uses whatever is personally preferable. If the editor has a Christian background, then there is an automatic unintentional bias to use BC/AD. Even though I'm not religious myself, I had a tendency to do that before I started editing here. For an article topic that has nothing to do with Judeo-Christian religion, history, culture, architecture, literature, art, etc., then it's probably justified to change the era to the secular BCE/CE after getting some consensus on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:05, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

The question is about the title of general articles like AD 10, 13 BC, 420s BC, 16th century BC, 2nd millennium BC. I think they should use the same naming convention for consistency. @Interstellarity: I don't know how the convention to use BC was chosen or whether it has been discussed. For the use of AD, see Talk:AD 1/Archive 1#What should the articles from 1 to 100 be moved to? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

MOS:ERA is part of a guideline, the "Manual of Style/Dates and Numbers", and is part of another guideline, the Manual of Style. Article titles are governed by the policy Wikipedia:Article titles. Adherence to policies is required, while guidelines are just suggestions. The guideline that applies to dates and numbers within article titles is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (numbers and dates), and that guideline indicates article titles should use AD or BC when needed. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:57, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

How to edit basic information for a persons page on the site.

I was looking up someone I used to know and found a page on them on this site. However quite a bit of info is incorrect (verified through government sites for some) including the basic info listed about them. I can find how to edit all other ares, but not the basic info. How to do so? Tryitouts (talk) 17:20, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Tryitouts I assume you refer to the article Byron Chubbuck which you recently edited in this diff to alter the DOB to 1967 when previously the information cited to his inmate profile said 1966. How do you know the 1967 date is correct? Wikipedia relies on published sources and editors cannot change details because they "know" them to be correct, since readers' ability to verify information is a core policy. Do you have a WP:COI in relation to Chubbuck? If so you must declare it on your own User Page and/or the Talk Page of that article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

How to contribute in other ways?

Hello,

So I have been editing on Wikipedia for a while - I guess since 2017. But I have been looking for some bigger opportunities to contribute to Wikimedia - not only for the experience but also because I genuinely relate to their mission.

So I knew about Administrative Roles, WMLabs and Phabricator but how do you go about helping in them? I am not very proficient with code but if there are any other non-coding ways through which I can contribute - I would love to. Komchi^✉_☆ 14:42, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Komchi You may already be aware of it but the task center may provide some inspiration. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:44, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

How to get more info in a topic.

Hello, hope you guys are having a good day, you guys have any tips to get more info in certain topics, because sometimes I look and look but never find anything help, thanks! Massacreek (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Massacreek, you have made two edits in the last month: the one immediately above, and another in Seoul Halloween crowd crush. You described the latter edit as "Added more description about the victims." The edit consisted of the addition of one space. I like to "assume good faith", but here I have difficulty doing so. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes sorry god, I will put the Social Security of the victims next time. Shut up and get a life god damn it, I was asking for advice not for your opinion lmao. Massacreek (talk) 00:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Massacreek, telling an editor to 'shut up and get a life' is not a good idea. In general do not use Wikipedia to search about a topic, since you will only get the correct result if you know what the article subject is called. If you need more in-depth information on the subject of a Wikipedia article, look at the references and try some of the links or books there. Sungodtemple (talk) 00:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I was really looking for a tip. Mr. Hoary gave a opinion, something that I like but was not looking for. Thank you and I will learn from this, I don't know why older uses pick on new users. People like this volunteer to give simple info to public so is best one gets advice and doesn't get attacked for asking for one Hoary could have simply told me my mistake and sure I would have taken it but the thing he said is just not an advice is just a personal opinion I'm not looking for. Sorry Mr. Hoary but please I don't want your opinion, thank you Sun appreciate the tip! Massacreek (talk) 00:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Massacreek, this page is mostly used by people trying (or failing) to contribute to articles or to create them. I sleepily assumed that that was how you'd intended your question to be read. But this isn't the only purpose of the page, and Sungodtemple points out that you may instead have been asking about reading Wikipedia's articles and what to do when they don't sate your appetite. Sungodtemple's advice is excellent; but if you give an example or two either (A) of articles that deliver little or nothing or (B) of subject areas that Wikipedia doesn't address, perhaps we can give additional advice. -- Hoary (talk) 00:56, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

NOTHERE TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

reliable sources

Hello, Are these reliable sources for wikipedia: [6]https://disruptmagazine.com/career-in-medicine-inspiring-story-from-real-world-doctor-yousef-abo-zarad-2/ [7]https://www.mid-day.com/brand-media/article/doctor-yousef-abo-zarad-a-youth-iconic-dermatologist-who-promotes-good-and-heal-23252348 [8]https://www.ibtimes.sg/dermatologist-social-media-star-millions-subscribers-what-makes-this-doctor-yousef-turn-his-67057 [9]https://techbullion.com/encouraging-voyage-of-most-followed-arab-dermatologist-doctor-yousef-abo-zarad/ 212.133.192.93 (talk) 12:21, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

It depends what you want the sources to support. I looked at the first, which says of the author of the piece "[she is] helping them amplify their message and build their brand & online presence." That sounds like WP:PROMOTION and mere puffery, not something we would encourage here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

All four sources are versions of the same promotional blurb. None of them is reliable or independent. --bonadea contributions talk 08:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Latvian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic

I feel Latvian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic is an important article that could use refinement. I would appreciate it if I could find other editors (new like me, or with more experience) willing to help and provide input. I would like to go through the article paragraph by paragraph in partnership with other people. I feel working with other editors will yield a better result than trying to tackle such a big job alone and in a vacuum. I also want to discuss (learn) methods and approach. Thanks in advance! Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps a good place to make an invitation such as this would be Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Latvia. -- Hoary (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

kk, thanks! Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

You could also try WP:SOCIALISM. -- asilvering (talk) 06:20, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Flibbertigibbets: You were right to post on Talk:Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic. I think you should just BEBOLD and make the changes you want and if anyone has any concerns they will let you know. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Tim I will approach the project incrementally (a little bit at a time)! Flibbertigibbets (talk) 11:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Flibbertigibbets, you could indeed also try WP:SOCIALISM (or anyway its talk page). However, I don't recommend that you do before seeing what reaction you get from Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Latvia. And if you do post on any second (or third) project talk page, do so in a way that doesn't risk starting a parallel discussion. (The gist of a good post: "I've posted to Talk:Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic a message about improving the article Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic. I invite you to take a look and to comment at the former if interested.") -- Hoary (talk) 07:28, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Create a new Wiki Page

Dear Editors: Greetings, Raylaur 15 here. I am interested in creating a new wiki article on West Indian soca arranger and pianist Frankie McIntosh. I believe he meets your "notable" criteria, as he arranged the music and played on hundreds of influential scoa (soul/calypso music from Trinidad)) recordings during the 1980s and 1990s. He worked with all the big stars--Sparrow, Lord Kitchner Calypso Rose, Chalkdust, and scores of others. His accomplishments are well documented in the Caribbean press and in several scholarly sources.

I have now edited ten Wikipedia pages over the past week (Oct 21-25) as follows: Calypso Rose Soca Music Calypso Music Latin Jazz Granville Straker Mighty Shadow Steel Pan List Caribbean Music Genres Lord Kitchener Mighty Sparrow

Am I now eligible to write an original Wikipedia article? Is there some official approval protocol I need to go through, or can I simply go ahead and write and submit the article?

Please advise.

best, Ray Raylaur15 (talk) 13:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Welome to the Teahouse and it's great that you want to expand the encyclopedia. Writing a new article is not easy and I strongly suggest you follow the procedure at Help:Your first article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

In thoery, you could just create the article, but new-to-Wikipedia editors are advised to go through YFA, which leads to submitting a draft for a review decision by an experienced reviewer. If Declined, the reviewer will give reasons that identify (some) of the draft's inadequacies. If those fixed and draft resubmitted, possible the next reviewer will have different reasons to Decline. References always essential. David notMD (talk) 15:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

David: Thankd for your response. I will go through the YFA tutorial before creating and submitting a new article. 

best,

Raylaur15 Raylaur15 (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Why does a bot (occasionally humans too) change HTTP links to HTTPS links?

Some websites like The Wayback Machine don't have the secure S after the HTTP but still the bots and people change it to HTTPS anyway.

Most of the time it doesn't really matter, as the HTTPS links will redirect to the original HTTP url when you click on it.

However I've noticed some websites in the past which don't redirect to the original HTTP url, so it will look like the website which was originally added as a reference or an external link, is dead to people who have never visited that website before, therefore it could end up getting removed or replaced. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Could you give some examples? If the websites do not support HTTPS, then it's most likely a bug and should be reported to the bot developer. Also, Wayback Machine does seem to support HTTPS. Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 13:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: If both work then https is preferred by Help:Link#http: and https: and Wikipedia:External links#Specifying protocols. Bots and editors should only change to https if it works. Do you have an example where a change was made and it broke the link? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Darylgolden PrimeHunter I don't have any examples at the moment, as I'm constantly searching random websites for stuff mainly related to film and TV.

However HTTP urls, mainly seem to be on older websites which aren't being updated anymore, like old BBC Programme Pages, but could be the only source of the information you want to reference.

The question just came to mind when I noticed that the bot had changed a HTTP Wayback Machine url I added, to a HTTPS url.

And as I've found when archiving links myself on the Wayback Machine and Archive Today (which I do on a daily basis), the S makes a massive difference as to whether a link still works or not.

I used to add S to all the links I archived, but after trying to find something that had been deleted, which I thought I had archived, I realised it didn't work because I had added the S when I archived it, so now I just add them as they are, or archive them with both HTTP and HTTPS links.

If what PrimeHunter says about "Bots and editors should only change to https if it works" is true, then there shouldn't be a problem. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:00, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I believe I understand what you're trying to say. Wayback Machine URLs come in the form https://web.archive.org/web/timestamp/original URL, e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20221031030148/https://example.org/pages/topic/index.html. The presence of the green s denotes wether your own browser will use the encrypted version of http to connect to the Wayback Machine servers to display an archive, and is optional because the wayback machine servers support both protocols for viewing archives. The darkred s, however, denotes wether the wayback machine originally used https when fetching the page from the original server for archiving. Which values work for the darkred s depend on wether the original server supported both protocols, and the Wayback Machine treats http and https URLs in this spot as separate. Wether the darkred s is present depends on wether the protocol in the URL you asked the Wayback Machine to archive used https. (I always recommend asking the wayback machine to archive the URL as displayed in one's browsers address bar, and check wether altering it would affect the result by attempting to load the modified URL) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Logo does not show up in the infobox

Logo does not show up. Organisation logos in infoboxes are common practice on Wikipedia. But this one (link to article) does not show up. Why does it now show up? MahaNakhon (talk) 15:55, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

The logo is visible on Wikipedia, but not Wikimedia. Uploaded with Upload Wizard. MahaNakhon (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

That logo is hosted locally on the English Wikipedia, and so cannot be used in the Swedish edition. Uploading this to sewiki would require following Swedish copyright law and the policies of that Wikipedia. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 16:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Maddy from Celeste: MahaNakhon uploaded two copies of the image to enwiki. I have tagged one copy for F1 and the other for F5 speedy deletion. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 16:12, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Complex logos are, in most cases, subject to copyright restrictions and cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, which is for freely licensed and public domain images and videos only. A logo uploaded as non free content to the English Wikipedia can only be used in an English language Wikipedia article about the company. Because there is no English language article about CombinedX, the logo cannot be hosted here and must be deleted. MahaNakhon, you need to research the policies regarding logos on the Swedish Wikipedia, and if appropriate, upload the logo there. Their policies may vary. Read WP:LOGO for more information about use of logos here. Cullen328 (talk) 16:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Generally, Each Wikimedia Project can only use images (and other media files), which either:

• Have been locally uploaded to that specific project (as it appears here, the Swedish Wikipedia), or
• have been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons.

I see Cullen328 has already replied with some good information regarding which files Wikimedia Commons accepts, so I am just going to throw a link to their licensing policy into the mix. From what I can see, svwiki seems to have currently disabled file uploads alltogether (I cannot check why exactly because I don't understand Swedish), so if uploading to Commons is not an option due to the licensing restrictions, the article will have to exist without the logo for the time being.

Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

St Mungo's High School - Over detailed comment from John

St Mungo's High School - Hi there, John reverted my edits on the schools facilities. I was thinking the Pastoral and Management staff is overdetailed and could be trimmed down a little with the School Facilities staying as it does detail what the school has. Is there a specific rule for this? Would I be able to add some things back trimmed down? Thanks for your help so far guys. Haksataylor (talk) 16:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Haksataylor The aim for Wikipedia editors is to find a WP:CONSENSUS for what should be in articles. The place to discuss that is on the Talk Page of the article. A relevant policy is WP:UNDUE but you need to discuss the specifics with the other editor, who you can WP:PING to your discussion. This is our standard WP:BRD process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

And @Haksataylor would you mind noting how you found that article and thought to caution an editor who had been editing it? If you two have a connection to the school, per WP:COI and WP:PAID, you need to disclose that. Star Mississippi 17:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, Yes I can answer the question for you. So the IP address which has been banned was one of the schools.

There was another person who edited the schools page but what I did pick up from being a pupil is the regular mistakes such as typo's etc.

I am currently unaware of who it is but the reason I have created an account is to make sure the information displayed is accurate and reliable. To your question, yes I do have an affiliation with the school I am a current senior pupil. I am happy to discuss anything further.

Thanks. Haksa. Haksataylor (talk) 17:51, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that information and clarification @Haksataylor. As a senior pupil, you should probably make use of WP:Edit Requests although it may not be required. You should definitely note the connection on your User page. As far as your question about re-adding trimmed information, I'd suggest looking to see what independent reliable sources have to say about your school. Probably less likely to talk about where classes are held and maybe some information about notable programs. Is that helpful? Have a great day and thanks for your contributions. Star Mississippi 17:57, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again for that! I'll definitely take on what you are saying about the user page, I can understand the conflict of interest and the highlighting of it. I'll also take a look at what you have highlighted there and take a look at it. Thanks again, I will let you know if there is any problems. Haksataylor (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy to help, along with official teahouse hosts. Have a great day! Star Mississippi 18:09, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

one other piece of help @Haksataylor. If you want John to see that you asked a question about his edit, you would use {{ping|John}} this formatting, where you replace John with the user name of the editor you're asking. I've pinged @John on your behalf here. Star Mississippi 18:23, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

This may be a silly question but where would I ping someone for future reference?

Would it be in my own talk page, the talk page of the article in question?

Thanks @Star Mississippi Haksataylor (talk) 18:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

There are no silly questions. As @Michael D. Turnbull suggested above, if talking about an article, I would use the Talk page that way any editors (now or in the future} interested in the school can find the discussion rather than remember it was you or another editor they had been talking to. So in this case it would be Talk:St Mungo's High School. But you can ping someone on any discussion page, as you did here and it notified me that you m mentioned me. If you're discussing something on your talk, or another editor's the ping function works there but easiest to keep content discussions central. Star Mississippi 18:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Much appreciated! Thank you! Haksataylor (talk) 18:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh well that was disappointing. Thanks @Ponyo: for the housekeeping. Star Mississippi 20:37, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: I can see them toggling between the accounts/logins. There is a possibility that it could be WP:MEAT with two people editing from the same devices, but they contend above that they don't know the identity of the blocked user which, based on the technical evidence, is extremely dubious.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh to be clear I wasn't doubting your findings @Ponyo. My spidey sense went off when Haksataylor knew about the other account to warn them, but I was trying my hardest to AGF. Schools: so much drama for so little return. Star Mississippi 21:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I just wanted to add a tad of context regarding the technical data in case they appeal the block.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

makes sense, which they did. Beyond my scope of understanding and of course not a CU so defer to you/team. Star Mississippi 21:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended Confirmed Help

According to my homepage, I have more than 500 edits, and my account has existed since September 28, 2022. Yet, I still don't have extended confirmed. If anyone could provide insight into why it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, DeQuavious Bingleton ^{Fly On✈}(talk) 19:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

It appears you do. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I checked and it was given 8 minutes ago ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Thanks for the help! DeQuavious Bingleton ^{Fly On✈}(talk) 19:14, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Happy editing. Also, your signature might be a bit too big. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Fixed it :) DeQuavious Bingleton ^✈(talk) 20:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@DeQuavious Bingleton Cool, see you around Wikipedia and feel free to reach out anytime. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/DeQuavious_Bingleton says that you are an extended confirmed user, as does this list. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

What was not constructive?

I have been told one or more of my alterations is/are not constructive. I altered your the United Church of Christ in Japan website. Why was I told this? 42.145.48.30 (talk) 00:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

This is the set of edits that Moops reverted. Perhaps Moops would care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Accidental RB with the AntiVandal tool, which is very, very fast. Removed the warning on users page, and self reverted. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 01:12, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Serious inconsistency between articles

As a long time donor to wikipedia, I am concerned about the strong inconsistency between the following two pages. Please review them as they are totally contradictory on many points about the influence if any of CO2 upon long term Climate. Geologic temperature record. and Climate change. The Geologic record is based on scientific observation....the Climate change article is based on Opinion and exaggerated claims. I will be glad to help edit the two and other articles on the real science if you require some assistance. Cheers Tom Gallagher Victoria Canada 24.69.141.170 (talk) 18:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia could always use more help from volunteer editors, so you are encouraged to help, but I would start at Project Climate Change, the Climate change Talk Page, or reach out to one of the many regular contributing editors of the article directly. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user and welcome to the Tea House. I will not delve into your observations or opinions regarding the two articles which you have pointed out as I'm not an expert in such areas. However, you can edit the two articles as Wikipedia's articles are edited by people like me and you. Start by creating an account to get some benefits although you can still edit as an IP user (though there are some restrictions when editing some articles). I will post some links in your talk page which will be helpful to do so and more. Volten001 ^☎ 19:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Tom, Climate change is WP:Featured Article which has gone through a rigorous peer review and summarizes 358 high quality reliable sources. So, your assertion about "Opinion and exaggerated claims" is incorrect. Cullen328 (talk) 22:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Volten001, to the person who claims above that "the Climate change article is based on Opinion and exaggerated claims", you say "you can edit the two articles as Wikipedia's articles are edited by people like me and you"; however, this person is currently not like you or me, in that they're not logged in and we are. Note the padlock mark at the top right of the article Climate change. Mouse over it, and you're told "This article is semi-protected." -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I would absolutely not be encouraging new editors to work in a topic area under discretionary sanctions, full stop. These articles are under those sanctions for a reason. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, note how I started my reply to the IP user (that I'm not an expert in those areas). Besides what I meant by 'me and you' is generally, anyone can edit Wikipedia. But I recommended that they create an account. Thanks Volten001 ^☎ 07:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Tom, you say the articles are "totally contradictory on many points about the influence if any of CO2 upon long term Climate". It seems to me that they are in agreement: higher CO₂ leads to rising temperatures. Can you list and give details of these many points? Maproom (talk) 08:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

account deleted

How do I delete this account (don't tell my brother I'm deleting it) this is a secret ok? I need to teach him a very good lesson! Damnester (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be deleted. If this is not your account you need to stop using it and create your own. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Well can it be not able to edit? The owner of it is a bad person and I wanna get it off Wikipedia 2600:1008:B122:A2F9:50CF:8FFF:FE1D:C838 (talk) 01:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Never mind I have an idea 2600:1008:B122:A2F9:50CF:8FFF:FE1D:C838 (talk) 01:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm asking this IPv6 be blocked for attempting to compromise accounts. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

IP blocked. The Dammester account also blocked, as appears that the account compromised because brother got access. Unclear cause of feud between brothers, as neither had edited any articles, only User and Talk pages for Damnester. David notMD (talk) 01:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

well, they got their wish, or at least the closest equivalent to that we can grant. I'm assuming the lesson they need to learn now is how to secure their account and/or mmmmmaybe not keep themselves logged on especially if they regularly share the same computer 💜  melecie  talk - 10:24, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

How do you guys use the footnote template?

I tried doing footnotes through the footnote template but my text won't show up, help! Slaythe (talk) 00:14, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I believe that this is about Template:NoteTag, which within User:Slaythe/sandbox hasn't yet worked as hoped for. -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Exaclty Hoary. Slaythe (talk) 13:52, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Slaythe Is it fixed by this edit by @Rotideypoc41352? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:21, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Though it feels like it is missing in something, thank you Mike. Slaythe (talk) 13:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Recover deleted page

Hi, we recently did some more work on a draft page in our sandbox and I think it was sent to 'publish' rather than 'submit for review'. It has since been speedily deleted without us being able to address some identified problems. How can we get it sent back into our sandbox so that we can resolve the problems with it? Thanks Tekcorps (talk) 10:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Tekcorps Hello and welcome. First, who is "we"? Accounts are strictly single person use only. Regarding your inquiry, "publish changes" should be interpreted to mean "save", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". You had successfully submitted your draft, but it was deleted as a copyright infringement and will not be restored. Wikipedia content must be original, and summarize what independent reliable sources say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

While the recent attempt was Speedy deleted for copyright infringement, there still exists an older draft at User:Tekcorps/sandbox/Bill Higson Memorial Cyclo-Cross which needs to be Speedy deleted for same reason, i.e., appears to be a direct copy from https://readingcyclingclub.org/in-memoriam/bill-higson/. Start over, but all in your own words - neither copied nor a close paraphrasing of the website content. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I have tagged it for speedy deletion. @Tekcorps, if you want to use the text on that site as a basis for a draft, you must do the rewrite somewhere else - not on Wikipedia. You can't copy/paste copyrighted content here and then rewrite it afterwards. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Should I repost a autoconfirmed request that was never responded to and then taken down?

I put a permanent autoconfirmed request for All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 because of the vandalism saying Gordon Freeman died because of Half-Life VR but the AI Is Self-Aware. It was taken down, should I repost it?

Waylon111 (talk) 14:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I mean it was taken down with no explanation. Waylon111 (talk) 14:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Waylon111: Your request for semi-protection has not been removed; it is still the latest revision. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 14:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

That was because after a little bit of thinking, I put it back up. Waylon111 (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Waylon111, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you asking about a request for increasing the duration of page protection, like the one you just posted to WP:RFPP? You want permanent semi-protection? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I want permanent autoconfirmed protection. If I put it in the wrong place I can delete it. Waylon111 (talk) 14:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Waylon111, I can't see any other posts from you to WP:RFPP besides the one you just made a few minutes ago. That is the correct place to request an upgrade in protection. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Waylon111, it looks like you were asking about requesting protection on the page All Dogs Go to Heaven 2. It is already protected until July 2023. I believe that this request is generally not required but it was also bad to have the request removed without further explanation. I will note Wikipedia:Rough guide to semi-protection#Determining the duration for semi-protection, which outlines the general way admins consider how long a protection is. If the vandalism continues, then an administrator will probably protect it indefinitely. But I don't think any further actions will be needed until July 2023, or if people manage to vandalize it despite the protection (autoconfirmed editors vandalizing the page). 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Waylon111 (talk) 15:03, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, it looks like it was declined by Bbb23, and not removed without reason. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Yep, there it is, I missed it. @Waylon111, it's not a good idea to ask again so soon after your last request was declined. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I never got a notification, and saw it closed when I checked today. I apologize for this, but I didn't know it was denied. Waylon111 (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Default number of edits seen

My default number of edits seen in my user contributions is 100. I think. I don't think I've ever changed it. Is it the same for everyone? TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 14:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it is same for everyone, as I only have 50 edits by default. This might be a preference thing, but I have not seen the configuration option for changing it. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Moops Go to "Preferences" then "Recent changes" tab and under "Display options" change the number in the second box and save - Arjayay (talk) 15:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Right here if you want a link. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:18, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Interesting, so what is it when you create your account? I don't recall if I changed mine or not. TY. — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 15:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure it's 50. You might've changed yours at one point and simply forgotten. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Substituting templates in the draftspace

I'm looking at this search query for the phrase {{subst:submit}} in the draftspace an I'm noticing that around 60 articles exist that failed to properly transclude the substitution that would submit their draft. I'd like to fix this by substituting the templates manually myself, but this causes me to get talk page messages whenever those submissions are declined or commented on. Does anyone here know a way to transclude the proper template for AfC review into the page in a way that lets me specify who the submitter is? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:07, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

• Red-tailed hawk if you use {{subst:submit}} it submits it in your name, to submit as the creator use {{subst:submit|username}}. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you! — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  @Red-tailed hawk Please be careful if you decide to do any submissions. For example, the first hit on your list is Draft:Farid Hussain and in that case it would be much better to explain to the editor why their (presumed) autobiography will never be accepted as-is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Tobias Madison

I noticed an ongoing conversation on this talk page about an artists' guilty plea to domestic violence charges a few years ago (with supporting citations); info which was later removed from the article through a talk page request by a conflict of interest editor supposedly providing his own proof (via Google Drive). I found it all confusing. My question is, was this handled properly per the editing rules? PigeonChickenFish (talk) 05:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

PigeonChickenFish, if that's a question to be raised anywhere, then WP:BLPN might be the place. The Teahouse certainly is not. -- Hoary (talk) 07:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hoary got it, thanks. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Publication with too many co-authors

Hello, on Joanne Katz, an article was added with >1000 co-authors. Is there some etiquette to trimming down the long list of co-authors? The extended detail here draws away from the actual article, in my opinion. Any ideas/thoughts? --Engineerchange (talk) 18:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I've trimmed it to the first three as many citation styles recommend. Now it doesn't list the article subject, though, so someone could question whether it really should be there at all. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! --Engineerchange (talk) 21:20, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Help

I wwas looking at a page and I think i got hacked necauwd it took me to this code thing and then this alphabet popped up and it made a sound and started typing everything i said. What happened to wikipedia now its on the page 100.42.252.205 (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Note: Also asked at the help desk. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Teahouse. Your problem is not clear and it's likely that the device that you're using could be the issue and not Wikipedia. But could you please clarify further. Volten001 ^☎ 21:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

The help desk folks have already worked with the IP and apparently resolved the issue. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Newcomer confused!

im fully clueless on how to put a template on my user page plz help! IGotHacked12 (talk) 21:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

IGotHacked12, welcome to the Teahouse. It seems like you are trying to insert "understanding language" templates. You can copy-and-paste the templates here:

{{#babel:plain=1|en-N}} {{#babel:plain=1|uk-2}}

However, I do not understand what BNG stands for. Is it for a country? A celebrity? Sarrail (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Since you're using the visual editor, you select "Insert" and then "Template" from the toolbox. Then you can type in the name of the template, in this case "Babel". Now you need to click "Add undocumented parameter", give "1" as the parameter name, and enter one of the language codes. Then make another one with name "2", then "3" and so on for as many as you need. You may want to try the source editor in which things are a lot more straightforward. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

hi! thanks for the info! bng stands for bangladesh btw,ty! IGotHacked12 (talk) 21:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk pages

Are we allowed to clear our talk pages? I've been questioning this and wondering if i'll get in trouble.. 45BearsFan (talk) 22:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, 45BearsFan! Although archiving is preferred, you are allowed to blank your own talk page. See WP:OWNTALK for more information. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Great! How can I do that? 45BearsFan (talk) 22:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you talking about blanking or archiving?

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:01, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

archiving 45BearsFan (talk) 23:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

See WP:TALKARCHIVE for how to do so. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@45BearsFan: In addition to that, see User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo for instructions on auto-archiving a talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Golden path for participating in Village Pump new ideas area?

I want to make sure I share an idea I've had for a long time in the proper way, but I find the process of using the Village Pump area for suggesting ideas before "formally proposing" them quite confusing. How do I know if my idea has been proposed before or not? I don't want to suggest something that's been swatted down a hundred times. Also, where do I stick my idea within the stream of ideas on the page? At the top or bottom? Do I make the case for my idea, or just describe it? 172.113.51.159 (talk) 23:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to improve it. See Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals for frequent proposals that have been turned down. You would post your idea at the bottom of Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab). RudolfRed (talk) 00:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Smartphones

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A new discussion about a new WikiProject related to Teahouse is currently being discussed. Share your thoughts here. SMBMovieFan (talk) 02:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@SMBMovieFan, how is this related to the Teahouse? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Using an ISBN for automatic citations keeps failing

In Visual Editor, I've been trying to get a citation generated from an ISBN. It's failed on three out of the last three reports I've tried:

• UN Emissions Gap Report, ISBN: 978-92-807-3979-4
• SUSTAINABLE ENERGY FOR ALL GLOBAL TRACKING FRAMEWORK, ISBN: 978-1-4648-1084-8
• Burning opportunity: clean household energy for health, sustainable development, and wellbeing of women and children, ISBN: 9789241565233

Am I doing something wrong? Or am I unlucky with what reports I want to cite? Or is generating citations from ISBNs just generally flaky? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 15:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Clayoquot I would recommend entering the Google Books URL of the book, into the visual editor cite generator, rather than the ISBN, since it seems to be glitchy with the ISBN. But the Google books URL seems to be working fie if you enter that instead. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skipper: I will try that. Thanks! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 02:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Adding a citation to a different page in a book

I'm preparing to give a couple of training sessions to new-ish users and I'm hoping to make citations as straightforward as possible. The Visual Editor is great for citing a website or journal article. With books/reports, I tend to go to source view and use the SFN template, but I'm hoping I don't have to teach new editors to use the SFN template. Or source view at all.

Say I've already used the Manual tab in the Insert Citation dialog box to insert a citation to page 5 of a book. Now, several paragraphs later in the same article, I want to add a citation to the same book, but this time the citation should say page 100 instead of page 5. What is the simplest way to do this? If I use the "Re-use" tab, it will change both citations to say page 100. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 16:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

You can insert arbitrary templates in the visual editor, including sfn, under Insert > Template. Alternatively you could choose the "basic" option under "Cite" to make shortened footnotes after the first one with full bibliographic information. I think that style is messy but it does exist. I'd also argue that wikipedia editors should be comfortable with wikitext, but you do you. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:20, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

@Clayoquot Have you considered using Template:Rp? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Great ideas, thanks to you both! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 02:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Date format within the article

Within the articles, biographies, the lead section and infobox of person have different date format. Will it be appropriate to make it uniform. If it is allowed, which one is the right format for making it uniform, the one found in the lead section or infobox? Thank you all for the guidance. Thirukannan (talk) 04:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thirukannan. Please read MOS:DATE for the various date formats that the Wikipedia software accepts. Ideally, the date formats within an article should be standardized. Articles about American topics should use the common American format, and as an American, I write today as November 1, 2022. It isn't midnight yet in California. But when writing about UK topics, today is 2 November 2022 because it is very early morning there, and that is how dates are written there. If the topic has no connection to regional date format variations, you should stick with the format established in the earliest versions of the article. Changing date formats against consensus, or arguing about date formats, is highly discouraged. Cullen328 (talk) 04:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind response. I understand the regional variations, and I am following it in my edits including the article creations. In fact I wanted to know about the standardization of date format within an article. My intention is not about making argument on it or going beyond the established consensus. Thank you all for the guidance. Thirukannan (talk) 07:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Sharing relevant links systematically?

I work for a non-profit organization dedicated to organizing primary source material related to contemporary artists and making it available to the public online for free. We have many pages devoted to artists who have entries on Wikipedia that include dozens or even hundreds of images documenting their work. I have two questions: 1. is it OK for us to add such links (assuming they are relevant and high quality)? Does this violate any rules? 2. is there any precedent for adding such links programmatically, via an API or some kind of script that edits wikipedia automatically? 172.113.51.159 (talk) 00:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

In order:

1. Assuming there is a consensus for this from other editors at an appropriate venue (likely WT:WikiProject Arts?) I see no reason why this would be disallowed. You, however, shouldn't be the one to add them.
2. This would require a bot approval due to it being (semi-)automated, and the likelihood of this being approved is remote.

Hope this helps. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

This guide and the ones linked in the intro there should help. -- asilvering (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

This is about linking to an external site, not about uploading things. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 07:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

ahnentafels

This is a content dispute. Briannemartindale has already been told how to proceed in the WP:ANI thread.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
help i am new to wiki i have knowledge on royalty and nobility and when i add an ahnentafel my ahnentafel is getting removed with or without sources while on other pages the ahnentafel is being left alone that were created by others Anton Florian, Prince of Liechtenstein is one example where an ahnentafel has no sources but is left alone while Herbert I, Count of Vermandois is one i did and it was removed and other editors are engaging in an edit war with me which i don't want to be involved in and the other editors are wanting to ban me block me and are getting rude and nasty with me ahnentafel is under ancestry section also look at edit history to see the problems that i am having i wish to give my knowledge for free instead of charging people which is why i joined wiki to help out i really need help please help me fix this problem have a blessed day in the name of Jesus Christ thanks brianne martindale Briannemartindale (talk) 01:24, 2 November 2022 (UTC) Please read WP:FORUMSHOP. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC) @AndyTheGrump the ahnentafels are getting out of hand with mine getting removed and not mine are staying up the other editors are threatening to block or ban me and have become rude and nasty to me even when i have asked for the person to leave me alone i don't know what to do anymore i want to help wiki out but this has turned from me helping wiki out to uncivil behavior towards me please help me have a blessed day in the name of Jesus Christ thanks brianne martindale Briannemartindale (talk) 01:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC) Have you read the recommended WP:FORUMSHOP? If so, seek content dispute. Sarrail (talk) 01:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC) @Sarrail i did look at WP:FORUMSHOP thanks and i still haven't found a solution the other editors are threatening to block or ban me and have become rude and nasty to me even when i have asked for the person to leave me alone which means that content dispute may not be enough anymore i want peace on wiki not war what do i do now have a blessed day in the name of Jesus Christ thanks brianne martindale Briannemartindale (talk) 02:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

AndyTheGrump, how can I find the ANI thread you mention, please? Maproom (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Maproom, it's at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#ahnentafels Quisqualis (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

referencing help

Hi there! I'm wondering if someone is able to take a look over the references on this page and let me know if there's any glaring errors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Outpost_(gallery) The draft has been rejected on the basis of the referencing Maddie.exton (talk) 10:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Maddie.exton Draft was Declined, which is not as severe as Rejected. Declined means that the Reviewer thought there was some potential. David notMD (talk) 11:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Can you identify here and at the Talk page of the draft at least three references you believe meet the criteria listed by the Declining Reviewer? David notMD (talk) 11:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hiya @David notMD thanks so much for your response. I guess that is my query, I wonder if it is better to go through and remove the references that are shakey...? I'm not sure which ones meet the criteria listed Maddie.exton (talk) 18:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Maddie.exton, If you are about to find some better sources for your article, you should remove what you have written, and start over, basing everything you say solely on those sources. Quisqualis (talk) 03:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Independent means not be anyone connected to Outpost or an Outpost website or social media. (O's website can be used for simple information such as location.) "Reliable" refers to reliable sources, so not blogs or most of social media. David notMD (talk) 10:23, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Seeking editing help

I am a long time user and contributor to Wpedia, but am not proficient w/ tools and commands. I just was making an edit, published after checking, but my edit w/ two refs cited two existing rather than two new ones I thought I’d entered correctly. Edit was immediately reverted and was admonished. 1) I do t know how to reply to the reverter, or if I need to. And I don’t know what I did wrong for the reference syntax. Isaclee (talk) 05:28, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Isaclee, here, Adakiko doesn't admonish you. They say that they've reverted an edit because it's unreferenced; but that if you'd like to redo it with a reference, you're welcome to do so. Additionally, "If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page" (link provided). So Adakiko tells you where to reply. (Or are you asking about some other matter?) -- Hoary (talk) 06:05, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I’ll try the link. Perhaps I was too clumsy at the time. (The admonishment was from another, about failure to follow policies, “Dianna” perhaps a bot). My frustration was w citation syntax and reversion. Was there formerly a practice of first asking an editor? Isaclee (talk) 06:29, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Diannaa (not a bot) wrote on your Talk a long time ago about copyright infringement. No connection to current issue. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

CAREL Industries’ draft review

Hi everyone, I turn to you following the advice of @Theroadislong - whom I thank once again.

After having improved a previously rejected version of the draft about CAREL Industries (which I did not curated), I have submitted a new version, commented by @Theroadislong as follows: “Submission reads like an advertisement”. Therefore, I went through the article again, removing some potentially promo passages.

Following the latest edits, it seems to me that what is left is only neutral information: what do you think? Is there something that I could further improve or delete? You can read the full draft here.

As you can read on my user page, I work for CAREL Industries and I am aware of my conflict of interest. Let me know your thoughts and thank you in advance for your help 😊 Elena Gobbi 2 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:29, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

First, the refs are incomplete, as they show a title, but not the name nor date of the publication. Second, many of the refs are for routine business operations, such as confirming branch operations (sales and productions) in named countries. None of this contributes to confirming notability. I recommend deleting all of that. Is there perhaps ONE ref that confirms that CAREL has production facilities in (number of) countries? Can you identify that at least three of the references that are about what CAREL Industries does, rather than where it operates? David notMD (talk) 10:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

cant donate

I want to donate $3.10 to wikipedia but it says I cant get past the employer page. It asks who my employer is and even says its optional but no way to continue without putting in an employer. I dont have an employer. Someone please help. Thanks. JackFellDown (talk) 21:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @JackFellDown, welcome to the Teahouse. You're the second person I've seen ask about this problem (first is here). Can you give a link to the form you're attempting to use? Someone who replied to the other post said there is no employer entry, which makes this a bit confusing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

JackFellDown The best thing to do with donation problems is to email donate@wikimedia.org. That said I'm curious about this too. 331dot (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Probably it's the form at https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=US&uselang=en when selecting amount and then credit card. It asks about the person's employer to "let you know if your employer will match your gift". – NJD-DE (talk) 22:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't replicate the problem; I don't see a "submit" button at all, no matter what I fill in (does it only work for account holders?). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

It shouldn't be limited to account holders, as it's primarily IPs who see the fundraising banner requests. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I was able to view the whole form on a different device, but there seemed to be no way to replicate the issue without actually clicking the "Donate" button. Hopefully the OP has contacted the WMF folks about whatever error popped up. (On closer look, I think the help desk post is about a different problem, probably an inadvertent click on the list which gets generated when you enter something in the "employer" box.) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia. I suggest you first read Wikipedia finances in order to help you make an informed decision about how to spend your money. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:29, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Leo and Satan web series.

I am wanting to make a page about the Leo and Satan animated web series created by Chris O'Neill, but I see that a page that previously existed on the topic was deleted due to lack of notability. This page was deleted more than 11 years ago, and since then I believe that the subject has become more notable. All of the animated episodes that were uploaded to YouTube have received millions of views (the episode, "Algebra Aversion" received more than 12 million). I have reviewed Wikipedia's notability page, and I believe that this topic is notable enough to warrant it's own page. I don't want to make any conflict recreating a page that was previously deleted so I wanted to discuss this here first. ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo (talk) 14:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo, welcome to the Teahouse. You've mentioned numbers of views, but haven't said anything about coverage by, for example, the mainstream press. Have you found reliable, independent, published secondary sources that devote significant discussion to this topic? Can you post links to a few of them for us, or otherwise identify them? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

(EC) Hello ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo and welcome to the Teahouse! Thank you for coming here with your request and concerns. If you will humor me, what are the three best reliable independent sources you can find which you believe describe how this subject is notable? Just pick three of the best. --ARoseWolf 14:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for late reply! Here you are:

• https://www.newgrounds.com/playlists/view/72f1fd81ab3638e4a04e4ad14aa131da
• https://www.reddit.com/r/Sleepycabin/comments/m6c2d1/what_happened_to_leo_and_satan/ (there are a handful of Reddit discussions, this is just top result)
• https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832325969032.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US (merchandise example)
• https://sharkrobot.com/products/gee-satan (Another merchandise example)
• https://leoandsatan.fandom.com/wiki/Leo_%26_Satan
• https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/leoandsatan/?hl=af

These are only for notability references, and I will not be using these as sources in the article. ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo, there is no difference between notability references and sources for the article. The notability references are the ones you should using for the article - the article should be primarily based on them. They need to meet the criteria outlined above, which most - possibly all - of these do not. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo, you were asked for your three best sources, and you offered up eight sources that are utterly worthless for establishing notability. Reddit? A social media site like DeviantArt? Merchandising sites? Come on. You are wasting the time of your fellow editors with these unacceptable links. Cullen328 (talk) 17:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Cullen. This is why we ask for three of the best reliable sources you have. If you can provide those sources then you, presumably, have enough to build an entire article on. I'm sorry but I don't see that here in what has been provided. These sources do not prove notability. --ARoseWolf 17:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

My mistake, I mistook notability for popularity. I'm sorry for wasting your time, thank you for getting back to me. ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo, popularity often leads to notability, but not always; the transition usually being when something expands out of a local sphere of popularity (in a particular fandom or hobby community) to become popular on wider scale, and people who aren't part of that fandom or hobby community begin to take notice. Maybe it's still WP:TOOSOON in this case. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:39, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

ParkerHaley2003VersionTwo, it's a common mistake among new editors so don't feel terrible about it. I would recommend you read WP:N and WP:V. There are wonderful links to other guidelines and rules you can follow from there. I suggest taking time to read more of the guidelines and gain understanding before launching off into creating articles. It may even be beneficial for you to make small edits and copy edits (grammar, punctuation, spelling) to existing articles. Just remember that, if you are adding anything to articles you must provide reliable sources just as if you were creating the article itself. --ARoseWolf 17:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

article was declined

Draft:Barry Silbert was declined. I was reading about Digital Currency Group which is a 20 billion dollar company and saw that the founder Barry does not have an entry in Wikipedia. He is personally worth 3.2 billion as per forbes and is one of the main investors in the space. I do not have his personal details and hence just made an entry for him where other people who have his details can contribute. Can someone help me understand why Barry Silbert is not on Wiki or why he can't be on wiki as an entry? Dropsecure (talk) 14:24, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Barry Silbert   Maproom (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Maproom,

What is the point of this Courtesy link?

What more do I need as reference besides forbes, wall street journal , NY times do I need for a billionaire on forbes who owns multiple companies Dropsecure (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dropsecure. The point of the courtesy link is to make it easy for Teahouse hosts to find your draft. I am a New York Times subscriber, so I thought I would take a look at your NYT reference. You say that the title is "Bitcoin". That is incorrect. The title is "Everyone Has Crypto FOMO, but Does It Belong in Your Portfolio?: A growing array of investment options make it easier to put digital tokens alongside traditional investments. Here’s what to know." Why would you list the wrong title? Then, I read the article, twice. It does not devote significant coverage to Barry Silbert, and is therefore worthless for establishing his notability. Why are you touting that reference? Cullen328 (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

When you create an inadequate draft and it is declined by a Reviewer, no one outside Wikipedia sees it, so no "other people" will contribute. You have revised and resubmitted the draft, but again, while existing as a draft waiting for a reviewer, no one sees it unless they go to Wikipedia and search for Draft:Barry Silbert. It falls on you to improve the draft. David notMD (talk) 17:56, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Who can implement consensus following a WP:3O?

I was recently involved in a BLP content dispute at Talk:Christian Kälin#Unexplained removals of sourced content, WP:COATRACK additions. I sought out a third opinion, and SMcCandlish generously provided one. But he was reluctant to implement the consensus himself, because (as he explained here) he considers himself an "involved editor" now.

So the question is, if I'm involved and SMcCandlish is now involved as well after having provided a third opinion, then who should implement the consensus? And beyond shedding light on this question generally, maybe someone from the Teahouse can lend a practical hand here, especially considering that this is a BLP. Thank you, Sarah Nicklin (talk) 14:25, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Sarah Nicklin, welcome to the Teahouse. This all appears to be part of a pending edit request (thank you for properly declaring your paid status and using the edit request system), so whoever replies to the request should be the one implementing the changes. Unfortunately, the request is a rather involved one, which is probably why it's taking so long for someone to pick it up. If you want my recommendation, I'd close the current request and make a new one based on SMcCandlish's suggestions, with clear "In section [x], change [y] to [z]" specifications. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:05, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I've been busy or I might have gotten to this myself. It would certainly be expedited with "change y to z" proposals; the way it's been left now, I would basically have to dig through article history a whole lot to effectuate the article repair that is under consideration (aside from removal of COATRACK material, which can be done without such digging; but digging would be required to restore publication lists, etc.). Anyway, part of my own reticence to jump in and do it was uncertainty of the propriety of a WP:3O respondent just implementing their suggestions. No one's objected to any of my third opinion, but that's not necessarily the same as a consensus in favor of it all.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

TV episode articles

I am wondering if on TV episode articles, if we watch the episode, how do we add a reference to the episode? Thanks! BananaBreadPie12 (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BananaBreadPie12, welcome to the Teahouse. There's a lot of information at MOS:PLOT, but the basic rule is that the episode itself is assumed to be the source of information about things which happen in that episode - this is one case in which we use primary sources, don't cite them, and it's perfectly okay. If you want to add an opinion about, or an analysis of, the episode, that's different; if you want to add a "pop culture reference" type thing to a different article ("This building appeared in [Y] episode of [Z]"), that's also different. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:38, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh. Ok. Thanks! BananaBreadPie12 (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

If you have cause to cite the episode, see Template:Cite episode.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:37, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing new article: Disability in Kenya

Hi everyone!

I recently published a new article called Disability in Kenya, because I thought it was primordial to provide knowledge on disabilities in this specific country. Each country's norms, perceptions, myths, and policies around persons with disabilities are different, and as I am particularly close to Kenya, I think this article is valuabe. But since I am quite new to Wikipedia, I wanted to know if I could get some feedback on this article.

I do plan on adding a section for Causes of Disability, and adding sources and more content to the whole artice.

Thank you for your help!

~~~~ Zp 2298 (talk) 20:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Suggestions

Hi editiors, I created 2 articles so far and I want to create some more ! Got any suggestions? I am very bored and I thought why not create some articles although it will take me some time. Also is their a wikipedia page that people request articles? Thanks!`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 03:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @HelpingWorld and welcome to the teahouse! you may be looking for Requested articles. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

The Women in Red Wikiproject also maintains a collection of lists of possibly notable women without articles at Wikipedia:WIR/REDLIST. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 06:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@HelpingWorld, you might also try SuggestBot. Basically, you add this code to your user talk page: {{User:SuggestBot/suggest}}. After a short delay, the bot responds with a list of suggested articles for you to edit, based on your previous edits. You can also specify categories that you are interested in. I've used this system several times, and it usually delivers good results. Mike Marchmont (talk) 11:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Melecie I just created an article called Joseph Plains, Idaho, inspired by the requested articles. I cant find the request now to delete it, can you help by any chance? Thnaks!`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 04:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done, all links to the article can be found using What links here which can be found in the sidebar to your left, which is what I used to remove the link over at Requested articles/Social sciences/History. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 07:07, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Integrating inclusion criteria

I've asked about this before but didn't get much of an actual response. I would like to know if anyone has any advice about how to integrate inclusion criteria into the prose of an article's intro. Specifically, the Characters in the Mario franchise article has the common list selection criteria #1, that each entry should meet the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia. However, this criteria has not been made clear in the prose of the article's intro, and I'm not sure the best way to incorporate it organically. Any advice on this would be much appreciated. Some quality examples of this done effectively could also be helpful. Thanks! Landfish7 (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Landfish7 Have you thought of looking at some of the featured list articles? That link goes to a page with over 4,000 examples, some of which will be in the same general topic area as you are interested in that could be used as templates. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

What images can & cannot be used from different sources.

Sorry if this is a repeat question, but I'm having trouble understanding what images can and cannot be used on Wikipedia. I'm getting set to create a new page on a fairly technical subject. Diagrams are the only way to illustrate some of these technicalities & specifications. The best diagram has "Copyright © Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc. All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced in any form, in an electronic retrieval system or otherwise, without the prior written permission of the publisher" on the bottom. I see that others have used images from the same source (SAAMI) & some have omitted the image but included the data & cited it. (Ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosler_cartridges#.22_Nosler cites "SAAMI New Cartridge & Chamber Introduction 22 Nosler" (PDF). Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute. Retrieved September 23, 2020." but does not use the image.)

I have found a less-comprehensive diagram directly from the inventor/manufacturer with no copyright disclaimer of any kind.

What is the best way to handle this? Can I use the SAAMI image if properly cited, or go with the manufacturer's image that does not indicate any copyright?

Thank you in advance! IDGuy (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

IDGuy You can cite the image using {{Cite AV media}}, regardless of copyright status. Note that the image will be external, however. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@IDGuy Copyright can be a minefield and the expert are at Wikimedia Commons, where the uploaded file would sit. You can ask at Commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright for a view about the manufacturers diagram by giving them the URL link. Another possibility is that someone could create a similar diagram on your behalf. The folk who do this take requests at Commons:Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Episiotomy

I am struggling to add the references 1, 2, 3, Paragraph 1 could have the words 'by only opposing the episiotomy wound edges, but without anastomosing (suturing) the arteries and nerves individually, so restoring blood flow and nerve impulse flow to the pelvic floor muscles, four fifths of the pelvic floor muscle on the side of the episiotomy atrophies or dies (2.), weakening 'the pelvic floor muscles' - the foundation of the lower abdomen, predisposing to prolapse into the vagina of the urinary bladder, the rectum and uterus; and as the major cause of death of mothers during childbirth in the western world is from 'Post-Partum Haemorrhage'(PPH) i.e., blood loss during birth, episiotomy, the cutting through the pelvic floor muscles, which have a rich supply of blood, episiotomy becomes a contributory factor in death of mother. Episiotomy has been shown to produce greater blood loss than that associated with Caesareans section (3). Cutting through skin and pelvic floor muscle enables bacteria to enter and deep-seated infection (necrotising fasciitis) to take hold, which can progress to sepsis and death of mother (2). Episiotomy predisposing to infections requiring antibiotics, enables bacteria to become resistant to more of our antibiotics, hastens the day when bacteria will be resistant to all our antibiotics and invasive surgery will no longer be possible. Perineal Massage to 10cm diameter, whether by fingertip or by birth training devices, Epi-no Delphine Plus or Aniball, avoids all these complications and is painless and is now being seen as the best alternative to episiotomy. Discussion: Paragraph 1, adding 'Female Genital Mutilation, like episiotomy, damages erectile tissue, but FGM does not damage the pelvic floor muscles, the foundation of the lower abdomen, so episiotomy is falling out of favour and episiotomy may one day join such extinct medical procedures such as high forceps delivery, symphysiotomy, and foetal decapitation, which are now considered crude and barbaric, but were once widely practiced.

1. Signorello LB. Harlow BL. Chekos AK. Repke JT. Midline episiotomy and anal incontinence: retrospective cohort study BMJ 2000; 320: 86-90.

2. Woolley RJ. Benefits and risks of episiotomy: a review of the English-language literature since 1980. Obstet Gynecol Surv 1995;50:806-20

3. Sarfati R, Marechaud M, Magnin G. Comparison of blood loss during cesarean section and during vaginal delivery with episiotomy. J Gynecol Obstet Biol Reprod 1999;28(1):48-54 Schebytavun (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Schebytavun, you've listed three sources, and asked for source 2 to be added twice and source 3 once in specified places in the episiotomy article. I could easily do that, though as I don't have access to the sources myself, I'm reluctant. Then there's a paragraph you want added, but you don't say where, and don't provide a source. (I confess that I find the material somewhat stomach-turning. Maybe I'll come back when I'm feeling stronger.) Maproom (talk) 08:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Schebytavun The article episiotomy has, to my surprise, 100 page watchers. Your suggestions would be best made as succinctly as possible on the Talk Page at Talk:Episiotomy. Note that all sources need to meet the standards discussed at WP:MEDRS. I'm not qualified to say whether they do. Your alternative course of action could be to be WP:BOLD and make each of your various changes one-at-a-time so other editors can accept or reject them and only WP:DISCUSS those that are contentious. As a technical aside, all your sources are likely to have digital object identifiers and the WP:Citation expander will readily convert these to the correct {{cite journal}} format. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

how to I "bring it up to standard"?

I thought I was following guidele=ines but have been rejected again. please can anyone help? cheers Valleyboy2 (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:B2C2 - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

The first sentence includes the phrase "breaking ground", which is (1) meaningless, (2) promotional, and (3) unsupported by the source cited. That's going to give a bad impression to any reviewer. Maproom (talk) 21:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

STATUS: NOT "rejected again". It was proposed for Speedy deletion, but allowed to remain, then moved from article to draft because an experienced editor was of the opinion that it was not yet of article quality. The creating editor has not submitted it for review. Creating editor denies PAID or COI on own Talk page. David notMD (talk) 03:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I removed some promotional phrases. David notMD (talk) 03:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Valleyboy2 You might like to seek assistance from the relevant Wiki Project's members. See WP:CRYPCUR. Some of their higher-rated articles may give you ideas about what constitutes a good article on these topics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Reuploading a new Version of an Existing Image

Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia. I'd like to update an image in this article: Bilinear interpolation. The image original can be found here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BilinearInterpolation.svg. I added a few arrows to the image in the hopes of making it more understandable. The project page Wikipedia:Uploading images mentions an option to "upload a new version of this file", but I can't find it. The project page says "it's possible that you are not looking at the original source page of the file", but I am not able to find the original source page either. What is the correct procedure to update this image? Swienegel (talk) 08:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

"Upload a new version of this file" is in the File history section, below the table. ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I still can't find it. All I see is "You cannot overwrite this file." Swienegel (talk) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Swienegel: I see it. It's further down the page past the file's information. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Swienegel One reason you may not overwrite that file is because you are a new user who is not yet WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. However, even if you were I'd caution against doing so, as the file is in use in multiple language versions of Wikipedia, as is often the case with files on Wikimedia Commons. The problem with overwriting, if not just to correct an error, is that the caption or text in these various wikis may become garbled when seen with your extra arrows. A better solution might be to upload your file as a derivative version with a related filename and the same categories. Then you can use the new version at Bilinear interpolation and let other-language wikis decide what to do in due course. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I think you are right, so I will not overwrite the image. Thank you for your advice! Swienegel (talk) 13:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Entry re-submission - sources review

Hi editors, there was a discussion about eligibility of sources for the draft on "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bluebell_Group" to meet NCORP requirements. After some hesitation from one reviewer, the article was declined in July 2021. Since then, the company has been noted in more articles.

Below are five selected articles that I believe meet NCORP requirements (they are from independent news outlets and analyse the company within the wider industry for at least 2 paragraphs). Could someone kindly advise whether these indeed might qualify, and if I may resubmit the entry at this stage? Thank you for your guidance.

New since last submission

Cambodia: Khmer Times - https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50917137/high-end-labels-coming-to-cambodia/

China: Huxiu - https://www.huxiu.com/article/335703.html (in Chinese)

Previously submitted

Hong Kong: Wall Street Journal - https://www.wsj.com/articles/luxury-slump-slashes-rents-on-hong-kongs-glitzy-shopping-streets-11589284818

Hong Kong: Bloomberg - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-23/fresh-virus-wave-worsens-hong-kong-s-already-disastrous-outlook

China: WWD - https://wwd.com/business-news/mergers-acquisitions/exclusive-bluebell-group-takes-minority-stake-in-translatio-1234586551/ Gregocole (talk) 06:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Bluebell Group The OP seems to have linked the draft wrongly... Jolly1253 (talk) 09:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Jolly1253 - sorry I wasn't aware the link should not be provided in full URL form. Looking forward to receiving guidance on the above. Gregocole (talk) 06:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Gregocole Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You should be able to provide the link in full URL form, however, in this case you used double prime instead of straight quotation marks in the URL, causing the link to redirect to a non-existent draft (Thanks to 0xDeadbeef for correcting the link). You might want to wait for other editors' responses as I'm not experienced about reviewing sources, and I'm afraid that I might mislead you.

To others looking at the discussion: The draft was moved back to draftspace as it had "UPE/COI and notability concerns, vet through AFC". It has now been declined twice through AFC, with reasons being "Submission is about a company or organization not yet shown to meet notability guidelines". A second opinion was sought on the talk page, under Draft talk:Bluebell Group#Second Opinion Needed. Jolly1253 (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jolly1253 Thanks for the note! No one has yet reviewed the sources - do you know if there is a way to get editors' attention? Thanks! Gregocole (talk) 05:54, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

How do you properly cite evidence?

I need to know how to cite evidence to edit certain pages. Unguabungua3 (talk) 15:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Unguabungua3 Welcome to the Teahouse. Please help us to help you by linking one of the articles you are having problems with and stating what sort of "evidence" you want to add. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Unguabungua3. On Wikipedia, information from reliable sources is what we're looking for. You can find instructions on citing those sources at Help:Referencing for beginners or the "Referencing" section of Help:Introduction. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Userbox request

How does one request new userboxes? ----MountVic127 (talk) 18:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I would like one with an Australian flag on the left hand side and words (in German) "My mother tongue is English" on the right hand side.

The German words found by translate.com are "Meine Muttersprache ist Englisch."

This userbox might also include the World Toilet Organization logo.

MountVic127 (talk) 18:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MountVic127, welcome to the Teahouse. If no one responds here to your request, there is a list of editors willing to make userboxes over thisaway: Wikipedia:Userboxes#Users who make userboxes upon request. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

I'm trying to write a draft for the Edwards fire alarm company, but it was denied because it doesn't have enough sources. Can you help me find more reliable primary sources? Thanks in advance. JTZegers (talk) 19:51, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@JTZegers, what you need are reliable WP:SECONDARY sources. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Is there information published by reliable sources dealing with the company in depth and completely independent of the company? They need not be online. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I have found some stuff that isn't from their website. But I'm still looking. JTZegers (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

No CAPTCHA box and no way to SAVE in the Sandbox

I am ready to have my text reviewed but can’t move forward because the page is missing the box with the code that I am to enter for security purposes.

Also, how do I save my work in the Sandbox? Every time I try to get help, I risk losing everything on the page. VerniceDaniel (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what CAPTCHA you're looking for - you're not an IP editor, so you shouldn't be seeing one at all. Just hit the "publish" button. -- asilvering (talk) 00:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

CAPTCHA also applies to non-autoconfirmed accounts IIRC. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:05, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@VerniceDaniel: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1169. Do you have all Javascript enabled on this site? Sometimes users don't see CAPTCHAs because they've disabled scripts on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I have Javascript enabled. But it's a moot point at the moment, because my article disappeared from the Sandbox, likely because it wasn't evident to me how to SAVE it (and still isn't.) Can you help with that? VerniceDaniel (talk) 20:44, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Did you press "Publish changes"? It's basically saving your revision. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response. When I pressed 'Publish" I got the error message that I hadn't copied the (CAPTCHA) symbols in the box, but there was no box. Until I can navigate all of this better than I have so far, the organization I'm doing this for would like to simply remove its entire entry. Surely it has the right? VerniceDaniel (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@VerniceDaniel, no, it does not, and you have not mentioned that you are working for the organization. Please review WP:COI and WP:OWN. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for continuing to help. I am not working for the organization. I am a published writer/editor and was asked to help. 71.218.163.62 (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

If you were asked by someone connected with the organization, and are therefore acting on their behalf, then you have a COI, and need to follow the guidance I linked above. Rather than rewriting things in your sandbox, I'd recommend requesting edits on the talk page, either via {{request edit}} or the Edit Request Wizard, whichever you find easier. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: National Mill Dog Rescue - in case someone would like to evaluate the article's potential re:deletion. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

You can nominate the article for deletion, if you think that is warranted - see WP:AFD for how this works. However, I do not think you will succeed. My quick search for coverage turned up lots of newspaper hits. -- asilvering (talk) 21:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there are lots of hits, but 10 times more positive than negative for the organization and, separately, for

its founder. The negatives were a result of an individual with a vendetta (that's a little strong). She had been fired. She could have filed the complaints with authorities and left it at that. Instead, using her media experience and contacts, she planted a year's worth of negative media coverage, which is reflected in the Wikipedia article. I do appreciate your advice on all of this. Since getting the page removed is not likely, in your view, I will follow another suggestion to use the Edit Request Wizard. Thank you. Your comments are appreciated. VerniceDaniel (talk) 19:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@VerniceDaniel, I think I should caution you against making any more claims like the ones above. Wikipedia has very strict rules around what we write concerning living people - even people without articles here - even on talk pages such as this one. Please focus on suggesting changes, backed up by reliable sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Got it. I will take heed. But it goes to show how misleading Wikipedia articles can be. 71.218.163.62 (talk) 20:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

How does this work?

Why does Wikipedia offer users the ability to communicate privately using email when it is more than sufficient to communicate on the talk pages of the platform? Riverbend21 (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi again Riverbend21, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sometimes it can be used to remove oversighted information, RFA concerns, or just concerns that are emailed by the user who doesn't feel comfortable talking about it in public. Sarrail (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Riverbend21: I've had one editor email me over the text of a particular source I didn't have access to for research on one article; for copyright reasons, I think, this wouldn't have been able to be posted on my Talk page, or the Talk page of the article I was working on. Though I didn't cut-and-paste the source's text into the article, it did allow me to pull quotes and write part of the article using that source. Email has its uses.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 17:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Riverbend21: In addition, I have used email for discussions about conflict of interest, about a user's off-wiki user behavior, and about sockpuppetry evidence, in which none of those conversations would have been appropriate for public talk pages due to WP:OUTING concerns. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Starvation

Does posting in the mirror translate to other people? 2600:1011:B155:D1BA:DC71:1ECA:3316:187C (talk) 07:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

...what? lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 07:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

There are several mirrors of Wikipedia, which copy its content, as is permitted. Postings to those mirrors will not reach Wikipedia, unless someone explicitly copies them here. Maproom (talk) 21:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

When NPOV is harmful

I'm looking over a decision to be made. The NPOV choice is leaning is to move in one particular direction. However, that choice will add to potential harm to an oppressed population. The other choice is preferred by that population (because it doesn't cause additional harm), but is slightly less Neutral. Is there any exception in NPOV to take this kind of issue into account? - UtherSRG (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @UtherSRG. Seems sort of odd for me - random IP user #3987936 - to be offering any type of advice to an admin, but... no. I really don't think there is, unfortunately. This policy is non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus. - WP:NPOV. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:15, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I find it's always good to ask for another perspective, no matter what our roles.

That is as I expected. However, NPOV isn't really what I meant. I put that in place because it's the overarching policy for many other policies. I wanted to not point directly to the actual issue, but wanted to talk on general principles. The issue is one of article naming, and so its really WP:COMMONNAME I'm concerned about. We choose the most common name, in part, because it is the most NPOV choice to make. Perhaps calling out WP:NPOVTITLE will suffice. The choice is between "A C" (which is probably more common though not by a lot, but deemed harmful by one community) and "B C" (which is common but not most common, but is deemed unharmful by the community). "B C" has a slight ambiguity problem, though the predominant use is as an alternate to "A C". The article can easily handle how "A C" can be viewed in a harmful manner by the community, and that "B C" is therefore preferred. Do we have an obligation to choose the harmful term? How do we best respond when we recognize that our policy causes harm? - UtherSRG (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah - not an uncommon problem. I was going to recommend a consensus-gathering procedure, but I suspect this is about determining the outcome of a consensus-gathering procedure. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Indeed yes, and an RM is ongoing, and not close to being done. I'm watching the discussion unfold and considering whether to weigh in on one side (and become involved), or to not. However, I'm also recognizing that what I think is the most policy-based choice will be something that is harmful. How do we acknowledge that harm? How do we maintain NPOV while minimizing that harm? Or can we? Will NPOV always mean a potential to harm. If the choices were between two potentially harmful options, and both were otherwise equal (such as in commonness), we don't have a good option. But in this case, the option that probably has the stronger policy backing is the one with the potential for harm. Can we take that into account in the discussion? Is there any policy that allows for the de-valuing a policy that causes harm? - UtherSRG (talk) 22:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

When there are multiple names for a subject, all of which are fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others. - thus sayeth WP:COMMONNAME, and it's the only wiggle room I see. "Problems" is a bit ambiguous; there's an earlier mention of vulgarity, so it's not completely an issue of ambiguity or the like. I don't know where this "harm" you mention falls on the scale between "increases the threat of physical or political violence towards them" and "makes them unhappy"; that'd probably be a factor in such decisions.

Of course there's always WP:IAR, but that's in the name of benefiting the encyclopedia, not humanity. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Talking it out here helped me to formulate a support for the RM. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

How to start to be a newcomer

Hello I am always hoping to contribute to Wikipedia as an editor. I just have difficulties in finding the right area of articles i can contribute to. I went to the community porter and tried to fix the grammar of one or two articles, which are not in my area of expertise. Do you think it is a good start? LeijieWang (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @LeijieWang and welcome to the teahouse! you're doing neatly so far. there are also other things you can do - check the Task Center. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 22:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello LeijieWang. When I was a newcomer I started out by reading articles about subjects I was interested in, and knew something about. Not all of the articles pleased me. Perhaps a portion of the “complete story” seemed to be missing, or one section made be wonder if everything published was true. So I went to the largest local library and searched through non-fiction books for good references. (I grew up before the Internet was available, so have always felt comfortable with reference books from reliable publishers.) If I found good information I added it to the article, included reference sources, and wrote an edit summary. Sometimes an article had good information, but awkward sentences and / or paragraphs, so I rewrote them so that the article was easier to read, and I remembered to leave an edit summary. I’ve never edited an article that didn’t interest me, for I’m a volunteer, and won’t put a lot of labor into something that doesn’t appeal to me. More than 2,500 edits later I’m still finding good Wikipedia projects to work on, though much of my research is now done online, for I’ve become familiar with what is and isn’t reliable Internet sources. I hope this helps you. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm assuming you read Chinese - there are always lots of translation and non-English source verification tasks around! If you edit for a while here and get comfortable with Wikipedia's guidelines for notability, we can always use more Chinese-capable reviewers at WP:AFC, so I hope you keep that in mind for the future! One way to get that kind of experience is to watch the Articles for Deletion debates (see WP:AFD). These are almost always decided based on whether there is enough coverage of the topic in reliable sources - so topics where the sources aren't in English are often at a huge disadvantage, and editors who can effectively search for sources in non-English languages are a huge help to the project there. You can leave comments on discussions without "voting" in them, so even if you don't feel qualified to help decide whether articles should stay or go, you can be a big help to other editors just by commenting with sources that you've found. The ones listed under "China" are at WP:DSZH. The extremely long list of everything is at WP:DSL if you want to hunt for any particular topics you're interested in. -- asilvering (talk) 00:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

What to do when incorrectly blocked by the email address filter on the Message-ID page?

I would like to add a link to the list of Message-ID lookup services on the Message-ID page.

The Message-ID included in the URL looks like an email address and so it is blocked by the email address filter, even though it is not an email address, but an email Message-ID instead.

As I understand it, the email address filter aims to prevent people from being spammed when their addresses are added to Wikipedia. The URL I want to add is not an email address and couldn't result in spam to anyone. So I think I should be allowed to add it to the page despite being blocked by the filter.

I appealed the filter block but the appeal was denied by User:Compassionate727 and they asked me to make an edit request instead.

Then the edit request wizard said the Message-ID page is not protected and so I should be able to make the edit myself, and to ask here if I am still having edit trouble.

I have done similar edits to the Message-ID page before. In earlier cases where I was blocked by the filter, I was able to just bypass the filter myself. Since then the edit filter seems to have gotten stricter and I was not able to bypass it. In the most recent case before this one, I was not able to bypass it but the edit filter appeal process worked.

Ideally, the URLs inside the pre tag in the Message-ID lookup services section of the page would be exempt from the email address filter, so anyone could add new lookup services without being affected by the filter.

Alternatively, there could be some way for appeals of the email address filter blocking edits of the Message-ID page to be dealt with by subject matter experts.

PaulWise (talk) 03:00, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @PaulWise, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you made a request on the talk page, but didn't use an edit request template. Unfortunately there isn't really one that fits this case; you could try either the semi-protected or COI versions, though neither really fits. To be honest, I think the list should be removed entirely. It seems to be simply a list of external links with no evidence for notability at all.

I was directed to not make an edit request because the wizard told me to come here instead. I added the section to the talk page so I would have something to link to from here. I think the list of Message-ID lookup services definitely fits in an article about Message-ID. There is also no other place on the Internet for such a list that is more logical than Wikipedia. These also aren't actually links, but are wrapped in a pre tag because they are illustrative, folks are expected to substitute their desired Message-ID into the URLs. PaulWise (talk) 01:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You could ask at WP:VPT about the technicalities of edit filters; I don't believe there's a way to make an exception for a certain part of a certain page, but I could be wrong. Having subject matter experts review edit filter hits is a proposal that I don't see ever getting off the ground, but we have WP:PROPOSE if you want to pursue the matter. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Need Tips for Removing Promotional Content Off of Wikipedia?

Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia. But I know my way around a handful of Wikipedia special pages such as new pages feed, draftspace, articlespace, and so on. I wanted to learn from Wikipedia admins, what are a few essential tips I should heed to when trying to request deletion or move articles from articlespace into draftspace? Naomikrate (talk) 05:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd avoid trying to remove things given you are brand new. With only two weeks of editing, I recommend you totally avoid these activities. There is nothing preventing you, certainly. However it takes time to learn what is and what is not okay. I would complete the Wikipedia adventure, and complete some copyediting tasks in the Newcomer task feed. Review the five pillars, the general notability guideline, and maybe chuck your hat in the ring for a few discussions over at articles for deletion. After some time, if you wish to learn more, enrol in the Counter Vandalism Academy and/or (after a few months minimum) - New Page Patrol School. MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Naomikrate FYI :) MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Village pump (policy), articles more than 90 days old should not be draftified. There was a policy proposal for 30 days, but that did not reach consensus. I agree you should obsere/participate in AfDs for a while before initiating any. And not initiate any PRODs or Speedy deletion requests until much more experienced. David notMD (talk) 09:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Naomikrate: The WP:DRAFTIFY essay (neither a guideline nor a policy) is more or less what we have. I am against recommending any time limit for draftification, because such a duration is arbitrary. Wikipedia is too vast, and the number of articles compared to active editors is too large, to catch everything. I've come across clearly draft article that are years old. If the author is still active and the topic seems worthy of inclusion, I draftify it and notify the author. Otherwise I propose it for deletion. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You could also always watch the debates at WP:AFD to see what kinds of arguments people make for and against deletion and get a sense that way. No need to participate. -- asilvering (talk) 02:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Italian displays template in Russian

I read Wikipedia articles in languages other than English, especially when I want reliable and detailed information in German, Spanish, French, and Italian. Occasionally I want to edit the source of that information.

All goes well in those languages --and English. Only the Italian Wikipedia experience is strange. Almost all template text appears in Russian, instead of Italian. I feel sure that it is some option I have chosen. I have opened it.wikipedia.org from a friend's computer, and the template text is indeed in Italian.

I have had this experience ever since I first used the Italian interface. I have tried to verify that I don't have some option chosen that causes this. However, I haven't found the option. Please Help! I am tired of using a translator app to understand the Italian interface. Tgkohn (talk) 03:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Go to "preferences" (Настройки) and it's the drop-down list under the second bolded heading. -- asilvering (talk) 03:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tgkohn, welcome to the Teahouse. You can also use this link to change interface language. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Article Review

Hi all,

I am a student at Rice University working to expand the Medical-Industrial Complex article. I have expanded the article and am continuing to work on it, but I would like critiques of my article so I can develop it further. I would like critiques regarding sourcing, sections that should be revised, added or removed, and any other ideas that may help develop the article. Any help is appreciated. Thank you! CatherineGCC (talk) 02:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, CatherineGCC! I haven't had a chance to look over the article myself, but if you don't get many replies here, you might take a look at Wikipedia:Peer Review, where you can get feedback on articles. It's a pretty useful process, though you should know it can take sometimes take a while to get a response. Here are the instructions to nominate an article for peer review if you're interested. Hope this helps! Perfect4th (talk) 05:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Translation

I'v been doing work at wikipedia for a while now and would like to help with translation. I am fluent in french and English and was wondering how I could help / Get started. Msaskiw (talk) 21:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Msaskiw, welcome to the Teahouse. For translating into English, see Wikipedia:Translation. For translating from English, see Wikipedia:Translate us. There are also many maintenance tags for articles which need someone fluent in another language to address their issues, like {{Rough translation}} and {{Expand French}}. Often those templates place articles in categories like Category:Articles needing translation from French Wikipedia, which you can browse at your leisure to see if anything catches your interest. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks that helps a lot Msaskiw (talk) 20:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC).

Msaskiw, there is a backlog of articles needing help from translators at WP:PNT. The § How to help section on that page provides two ways of accessing articles that have been translated from French but have specific problems that need attention. For example, you could pick any article in Category:Wikipedia articles needing cleanup after translation from French. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Where to find approved posts?

I edited a page with no copyright notice but my contributions did not appear. Any leads? TIA. Ddperez6 (talk) 11:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ddperez6 Your contributions to planning were reverted by @MrOllie, an experienced editor, as you can see by looking at the "View history" tab of the article. This is a standard part of our WP:BRD process as we seek WP:CONSENSUS about what should appear in the article. The correct place to discuss this is on the Talk Page at Talk:Planning. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Ddperez6 - apparently this is related to a PhD class of some kind? Many new accounts have shown up at that article (and others) and attempted to add information, only to be reverted because it did not meet our guidelines. If you've been given some sort of assignment, please direct your instructor to Wikipedia:Education program. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:54, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I left an identical note on the Talk pages of all the new editors of Planning, as the edits have been essay-like in nature and with an improper reference format. Class assignments at every level are expected to be channeled through the education program. David notMD (talk) 14:30, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

And tell your classmates (and instructor), that per Help:Referencing for beginners, refs are inserted after punctuations. David notMD (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Ddperez6 (talk) 05:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Is there a quick link on how to avoid essay like compositions? I mean the general writing style? Ddperez6 (talk) 05:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ddperez6, there's a general guide to writing articles at Wikipedia:Writing better articles, but getting the encyclopedic tone right is something that usually comes with experience. Your class's additions to Planning have had other problems as well, mostly the focus on adding content about COVID and communication which is not related to the article's primary topic. The article has now been semi-protected because the problems continued. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to redlink an author name in a reflist?

I understand that redlinking a name is good practice to indicate someone should potentially get their own Wikipedia page.

But how do you do it in a {reflist}?

For example on the LaDonna Brave Bull Allard page, I'd like to redlink the author's name in the first footnote, but when I try it breaks the citation format. I tried doing each name separately and then both names together but it doesn't work.

Maybe it's not possible?

Here is the source code for the reference

Halpin, Mikki. "The Fiercest Woman of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe Says Young Natives Will Save the Planet". Teen Vogue. Retrieved 2021-04-15. Bkgood (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

author-link should work. Not sure about how this falls in line with WP:MOS. Sungodtemple (talk) 17:00, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bkgood In the article itself, that reference uses {{cite web}} which is where to look for the documentation on how to use |author-link=someone. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you so much!! Bkgood (talk) 13:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

GMIBM Efrata Modisi Church

I beg you not to delete the article for the GMIBM Efrata Modisi Church Babanguyo1999 (talk) 11:07, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Babanguyo1999 Hello and welcome. Please offer your arguments, preferably based in Wikipedia policy, as to why the article should not be deleted on the discussion page for the deletion proposal, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gereja GMIBM Efrata Modisi. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

See also Help:My article got nominated for deletion! and WP:Guide to deletion. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Begging is pointless. See WP:BEG. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I think Shantavira meant to link WP:BEGGING. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

No. WP:BEG is relevant here, if somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise. None have any authority over deletion decisions. After 7-10 days an Administrator will make a decision. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Shantavira WP:BEG redirects to Help:Referencing for beginners as I was writing this IP user stated the right link, lol. Light hearted sam (talk) 13:55, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol/Review

I'd like to add to my skills the ability to help patrol new pages and review them etc. Do I need the New Page Reviewer permission for this? Or am I able to do that without the perm? If so, what does the perm add? Why would I want/need it? — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 15:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

See WP:NPP --> curation tool. -- asilvering (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Would U5 fit here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yusef_Masushef

I don't think this content should be on wikipedia, but I want to make sure before I place the template. The Shamming Man has appeared. Sham me / Where I've shammed 16:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Shamming Man! This appears to simply be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The userpage doesn't seem all that bad (really just stating their political views) so I don't think WP:CSD#U5 would apply here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Well then, good thing I went here first. Until I self-doubt myself again, goodbye! The Shamming Man has appeared. Sham me / Where I've shammed 16:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Is this topic notable for an article?

I have created multiple articles and am planning to do another one, this time 1993 Hugo, Oklahoma shooting. I firmly believe it passes WP:GNG, but I don't know if it passes WP:NEVENT. Can someone look at the sources and determine whether it is notable enough for an article? Search "hugo walmart shooting" or "david mack flinn" to find sources. MelatoninEmbryo (talk) 16:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

If you provide links to your sources here, I think you'll get a faster response. -- asilvering (talk) 16:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC).

MelatoninEmbryo. An angry man bought a rifle, killed two strangers and then killed himself. Tens of thousands of Americans are murdered each year. WP:NEVENT says Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. In evaluating an event, editors should evaluate various aspects of the event and the coverage: the impact, depth, duration, geographical scope, diversity and reliability of the coverage, as well whether the coverage is routine. This tragic event got heavy news coverage in the days that followed, as is routine. But what is the enduring significance of the crime? What was the duration of the coverage? Cullen328 (talk) 16:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

How to cite youtube videos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Savannah%20Leach/Tokujin_Yoshioka?veaction=edit&preload=Template%3ADashboard.wikiedu.org_draft_template

I want to add a Youtube video to my article about a design artist. How would I cite the the video correctly into article I am not using the video for citing information but to show off the artists projects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK9NilwKWAA Savannah Leach (talk) 17:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Savannah Leach. Please see Template:Cite AV media. Cullen328 (talk) 17:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Question about my draft

Hi! I have been working on a draft Draft:Dark Hollow to be exact and I am yet to improve the plot and character list but I was wondering if I can add a link directing from an article to the draft since once it is moved to article space. My soon to be article will have links leading it and therefore won't be an orphan or is it against the Wikipedia policy or something.

Thanks in advance Wikiwow is just W0W!! (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Wikiwow1102, welcome to the Teahouse. It is, in fact, not allowed (it's one of the bullet points here), but you're free to keep a list for yourself of potential future links in, for instance, your sandbox, so you can quickly de-orphan your draft once it becomes an article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing Contribution to: Violence Against Women in Mexico

Hello everyone!

I recently expanded on the Violence against women in Mexico article as a part of a college course. Specifically I edited to the "cultural roots", "COVID-19 & Domestic Violence", " Maquiladoras & NAFTA" & "Impunity" sections . I am going to be making edits, if anyone has any suggestions I'd be happy to hear! Rovalle234 (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Rovalle234: it seems pretty good; the lead seems well laid-out, the section headings seem appropriate and follow the general layout you'd see in a Wikipedia article (origins, definitions, any particular instances such as covid-19, people's responses to it and social and cultural references).

The only pointers I have is that for subheadings, only the first word needs to be capitalised; "In film", instead of "In Film", etc. Subheadings don't need an ampersand (&) either; just the word 'and' is fine. (I'd maybe change "COVID-19 effects on violence against women" to "Effects of COVID-19 on violence against women", too.)

For the lead, I'd probably change the first sentence from "Violence against women in Mexico includes different forms of "gender-based violence" and it may consist of [...]" to "Violence against women in Mexico includes different forms of gender-based violence. It may consist of [...]". A wikilink to the article on gender-based violence is useful – no need to put the term in quote marks – and I think it reads better to split it into two sentences.

Other than that, your efforts seem good. The article is well-cited and commendable; you should be proud.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 17:19, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your suggestions @Ineffablebookkeeper, I will definitely be making those changes! Rovalle234 (talk) 18:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Article on open flightmaps

Another newbie I'm afraid: I'm trying to write an article on open flightmaps (full disclosure: I'm a contributor there) and since it's my first one, I wasn't really expecting it to be accepted. I peeked a little on the article about OpenStreetMap which is similar in mission, but of course way bigger and more mature. (Comparable parts of the OSM article, however, don't contain many more primary nor secondary references.) The data and flightmaps are used both in real life (e.g. gliders or the helicopter rescue operators of CH, DE, AT and soon NL) as well as flight and ATC simulation enthusiasts. In other words: There is public relevance, but it's difficult to find secondary sources since it doesn't really hit the news. There might be references in blogs or video tutorials, but I'm not sure if those would be reliable enough. And there will be a better, more informative project homepage, but this takes time, contributing pilots have other things to do when the sun is shining. :-) Thanks a bunch for any hints! Svoop (legit) (talk) 20:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Svoop (legit), welcome to the Teahouse. You're right that blogs and video tutorials are (generally) not reliable sources; the project's homepage is also not going to help for the specific purpose of proving notability. Have you found any sources that meet all of our requirements (i.e. independent, reliable, published secondary sources, containing significant coverage)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not easy to find journal articles because aviation publications usually are behind paywals. However, I've added more references (including two journals) and rearranged the content to be more in line with similar articles: Comparing e.g. OpenSeaMap and my draft, what did they do better than me? Learning from other accepted articles might help. Svoop (legit) (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Svoop (legit), OpenSeaMap doesn't look very well sourced to me. It was created directly in mainspace in 2010, when standards were very different, and probably wouldn't pass muster today. Unfortunately, we don't have many folks who are interested in going around finding old, seriously substandard articles and either improving or removing them - it's thankless work.

Looking at an article like Google Earth would be much better; it's been rated a good article (which is not as fantastic as a featured article, but not shabby). If you need help getting to paywalled sources, the resource exchange is available, plus you might eventually be eligible for the Wikipedia library. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

that thing (not here build a Encyclopedia)

what is it what it means? Lfierro74312 (talk) 18:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lfierro74312: Hello Lfierro! Read WP:NOTHERE which explains what the term means. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:57, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank You Lfierro74312 (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You can read about it here. It's just a broad philosophy built into Wikipedia editing that distinguishes between editors who want to help the project of Wikipedia by making it better, vs. those who are ultimately just promoting something, wanting to argue with people, or any number of other behaviors that aren't truly, genuinely helping build a better encyclopedia. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lfierro74312, please be aware that creating a new account to get around a block is not allowed, and could get you into further trouble. I hope that is not the case here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that is the case here. Block evasion by User:Lfierro743. Now blocked. @Lfierro74312: You must successfully appeal your block from your original account before you can edit Wikipedia again. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Just so you know, in the blcok summary you've accidentally put User:User talk:Lfierro743 which isn't a valid link. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:55, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Yes, that happens to me sometimes. More frequently than I care to admit. I wish there were a way to edit an error in an edit summary. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:57, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, but then there's also the issue of needing an edit summary for an edit summary, so would you be able edit the edit summary for editing the edit summary? Maybe i should create an essay about the edit summary paradox ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I've re-blocked with a corrected summary. Maybe this capability to edit a summary should be proposed at the Village Pump. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I feel like that has been proposed in the past. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Regardless this discussion should be continued elsewhere. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Discussion started (or re-started) at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Why can't I correct my own summaries?. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Alternate account use?

I checked WP:SOCKPUPPET but couldn't seem to find anything: Is it allowed to create an alternative account to edit things like my hometown? I am interested in editing things of personal relevance; but would rather stick to non-traceable things on this account. DecafPotato (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @DecafPotato, welcome to the Teahouse. That would probably fall under the privacy criteria of WP:SOCKLEGIT and be allowed. Read the blue-linked items in the privacy section to be more aware of what to do or not do with your two accounts, and you should be able to stay out of any trouble. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Although do note that if you indicate a connection publicly between the 2 accounts then it defeats the purpose of having an alt to edit things like your home town. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf doesn't WP:SOCKLEGIT say that privacy-related sock puppets don't need to be disclosed? DecafPotato (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You are correct, however it does say this about notification: "Editors who have multiple accounts for privacy reasons should consider notifying the arbitration committee if they believe editing will attract scrutiny." (emphasis original) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:43, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@DecafPotato: Should probably ping you so you are aware. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:54, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

My Draft (Draft:Michael Ernest Kerr)

Hi, I would like to know what my wikipedia page is missing to be uploaded. Thank you. Zander123sims4 (talk) 17:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zander123sims4: welcome to the Teahouse. One of the decline notices on your user talk page includes the following comment: "Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN. Wikipedia is not for posting political profiles for aspiring candidates. Noting Ballotpedia is not an acceptable or reliable source."

Wikipedia articles have to be about notable topics, according to Wikipedia's definition of "notable". WP:NPOLITICIAN is a short-cut to the notability guideline for politicians. Please take a moment to read it, and note that Ballotpedia can't be used as a source. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Michael Ernest Kerr is a actual candidate for the house of representatives. I will remove ballotpedia as a source. Thank you. Zander123sims4 (talk) 17:55, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Zander123sims4, if you read WP:NPOLITICIAN, you will see that Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability. Please read that section and the general notability guideline carefully. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing Ballotpedia as a ref will not fix the issue that being a candidate does not make a person notable. Please stop resubmiting unless he is elected. David notMD (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Multiple WikiProject questions

I want to know, how do people make WikiProjects? What do we do with inactive ones? SikiWtideI (Speak to the backwards police) 20:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi SikiWtideI. You can find out some more information about WikiProjects at Wikipedia:WikiProject. As for the inactive ones, that discussed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Dealing with inactive WikiProjects. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Help

I posted a comment on a talk page for The page Nintendo switch for if I could post additional content, Then got sick, Came back in a month and nobody said or did anything. Golden. (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr: Hello koolr! I took a look at your talk page comment and am confused by what you mean by "Your page". Could you possibly elaborate? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

yes I made help pages in the past and people said I should probably add on to that page instead of my draft: Nintendo switch errors Golden. (talk) 17:47, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr: You still confuse me. I asked nothing about whether or not you made help pages in the past, I asked what you were referring to when you stated "your page". ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Nintendo Switch Errors, I think. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf The page is: Draft:Nintendo Switch Errors — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikoolr (talk • contribs) 18:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see. I don't think that is ready whatsoever to be added to the main Nintendo Switch article. IT's only sourced to primary sources which do not establish notability at all. Wikipedia is not a database, which is basically what that draft is. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr: Also I suggest you change your signature to contain your username as there happens to also be a user named Golden and users could verily easily confuse you with said user (the "." is not enough to distinguish you 2) and could possibly be seen as an attempt to impersonate them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikikoolr Your addition to Talk:Nintendo Switch would have been incomprehensible to anyone who read it, since you failed to link the information you wanted to add. You did in fact add some of that information to the article but this was reverted for the reasons already explained to you at the Teahouse, now archived at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1167#Can_an_editor_help_me_with_references_on_my_article. Please stop trying to add this particular content to WIkipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

How to mass revert edits by an user?

Sometimes I see an user which spammed links in many articles and it is a bit of a pain to revert them all. Is there a tool or a way that I can use to mass revert edits? Roostery123 (talk) 02:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Roostery123 and welcome to the teahouse! it seems that you're already using Ultraviolet. Twinkle allows you to revert changes from the contributions page, although I can't recall if it kept you there or moved you to another page while reverting (although it's still a useful tool which is also compatible with UV). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:56, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:KURU Footwear

Hello, can you provide any advice how to revise this Draft:KURU Footwear and resubmit so it can get approved. It has enough sources for notability and it seems the content may be an issue. It was declined before because the page was about the company. I was advice to change it to a Product page instead. The last declining editor said the page sounded promotional, so I removed all promotional language and he still declined. I believe he felt there is still something sounding promotional, so tell me how to revise it please so it can get accepted. Downinit9 (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Downinit9 and welcome to the teahouse! unfortunately, this article has been rejected, which means it can no longer be submitted, so if you're interested in writing it's best to write about something else. are you somehow related to KURU Footwear or people involved in it? if so, there is a Conflict of interest, which means what you are writing may be slightly affected, perhaps unconsciously, to using words and such that promote the subject.

for example, the use of all-caps in the product names like The ATOM shoe model ... can feel unformal at times and could draw too much attention to the word (which yes, it's the focus of the sentence but it's not the something that is extremely important like say, the subject itself and should be emphasized, and even if it is it's best to use bold text instead). in general, all-caps should be avoided when it's not grammatically necessary.

happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

The draft is not impressive, but I wouldn't have rejected it. Downinit9's question above seems very reasonable. Melecie's question about COI is reasonable too; it should be answered. However, as for

what you are writing may be slightly affected, perhaps unconsciously, to using words and such that promote the subject. / for example, the use of all-caps in the product names like The ATOM shoe model ... can feel unformal at times and could draw too much attention to the word

-- this is hardly satisfactory. It's easy to ask a writer to change "ATOM" to "Atom", etc. (And although I'm not completely persuaded by the content of the table that Downinit9 has presented on the draft's talk page, I do take the table as evidence of a desire to satisfy reasonable demands. I'd guess that they'd happily perform the change of case.) So Melecie, can you point to convincing examples in the draft of "words and such that promote the subject"? -- Hoary (talk) 03:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: you do have a point, my reasoning was very flimsy. apart from this there's honestly not really any specific thing I'd point about the article, I just tried to figure out why the reviewer rejected the article here. I probably went too far out of my skillset here, so I'll try to stick to mostly explaining the more general what's from now on and probably stay out of more specific article review questions for now.

apologies, also to Downinit9 for my poor explanation. happy editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melecie (talk • contribs) 04:15, 2 November 2022‎ (UTC)

No apologies needed, Melecie. But perhaps MaxnaCarta could explain, either here or somewhere more appropriate, how/why the submission is "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia". -- Hoary (talk) 06:17, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary thank you for stating this. I also want to know the same. How is the article "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia" ??? and @MaxnaCarta needs to be more specific to their reasoning.I made several attempts to remove anything that sounded promotional. If anybody still thinks there is anything promotional, please let me know. I also just made all the CAPS lowercase. Downinit9 (talk) 20:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

The comments are specific. Time and time again this article was declined by other reviewers and me and resubmitted with little improvement. The initial nature of the article was heavily promotional. The article appears contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia because we are not a marketing site or business directory. A business needs significant coverage per NCORP. I wrote notability probable but it’s more borderline. I’m happy for any editor to undo my reject if they feel otherwise. This is just one of countless articles AFC have to deal with. I question whether this article is appropriate. It does not appear to be a properly notable company. I also suspect but have no evidence that the author has some sort of personal reason for wanting this to be published, I’ve not seen this much effort singularly focused into getting a company published from someone who is merely a fan of the company.

To me, this article is advertising. On the balance of probabilities, I think it is more likely than not this article was some sort of marketing. Intent matters. The purpose of this article is not to educate or inform, it is to boost the status of a company or product and market rather than provide knowledge. In this regard, I consider the company I sufficiently notable and the article to go against the purpose of Wikipedia

That said, my word is worth no more than anyone else’s. I do not reject most articles, instead a decline to allow resubmission. Im also the third person to decline this so it has not impressed other reviewers as to its notability or suitability for inclusion. That’s my perspective, and other editors can undo my reject if they so choose. I do not consider such action if taken by an editor other than anyone who has created or edited the article to be “wheel warring” or the like. MaxnaCarta (talk) 22:00, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Insufficiently notable** MaxnaCarta (talk) 22:01, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@MaxnaCarta what you don't realize is that the initial 2 declines had a completely different content which was for Kuru "the company", not Kuru "the shoes". You can check this version to see. I was advised in the help forum that the company didn't meet the notability due to lack of articles about the company, but the product (the shoes) may meet the notability. So I revised the page to be about the shoe and resubmitted. So it is not accurate that the page was declined multiple times due to being promotional. The first 2 times it was declined due to lack of meeting NCORP. In my opinion, the prior declines have effected your judgment into thinking that this page is probably bad because there were 2 other editors before you who declined the page, and you didn't realize that I was resubmitting a completely different page. So while the company lacked enough coverage, the product has plenty.

As to your COI concerns, as I said before, I am just a fan of the brand. This is my first time submitting a page, so I am eager to get it accepted and but mainly I just don't believe that you were correct to decline it, so that is why I posted here. In addition, I am just trying to learn all I can about Wikipedia so this is just something fun for me to do. Downinit9 (talk) 00:33, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

What I said stands. I suggest instead of the Teahouse, you instead raise your concerns at the AFC Helpdesk. Another AFC reviewer can discuss this with you as I do not feel comfortable approving. I will leave a note that another AFC reviewer can disregard my reject if they feel warranted to approve. I will not approve and there is no obligation on me to approve anything - Wikipedians are never forced to make an edit. I am however, open to another AFC reviewer making the edit if they wish. MaxnaCarta (talk) 01:55, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is it necessary to duplicate this discussion at AFC forum? It seems there are admins and AFC reviewers here also participating. There are 2-3 people here that seem to be OK with the page, so you can also just go ahead and post it. I don't know why you are make it so difficult when there seems to be support for the page to get approved. Downinit9 (talk) 05:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm not gonna argue with you. I am the one with control over my actions. I do not need to follow a positive direction to approve anything. Find another AFC reviewer to consider your article. If an admin wants to override me - fine by me. I've left a note on the draft. I also consulted privately with some other reviewers - none support its approval. Please do not tag me further - I am withdrawing from this discussion and yielding the floor to another reviewer who can consider my reject merely another decline instead of a reject. Thanks and enjoy the day. MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, pure advertising is contrary to the purposes of Wikipedia. It seems to have been written by an advertising intern who doesn't understand the shoe industry, or even the product being promoted.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:37, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Quisqualis, I wouldn't be surprised if what you surmise about the creation of the draft is correct. And pure advertising is indeed contrary to the purposes of Wikipedia. But what I see now doesn't look to me like pure advertising. This is the version most recently turned down with advertising given explicitly for the reason, and it too doesn't look to me like pure advertising. Example: KURU footwear range from walking shoes, hiking boots, and women’s shoes. Most KURU footwear are designed to improve foot health conditions such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, and heel spurs. There's a difference between that and, say, KURU footwear spans the gamut from walking shoes and hiking boots all the way to loafers that combine the casual with the elegant. Comfort is a given -- most KURU footwear additionally enhances protection against foot disorders such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, and heel spurs. [Ugh, did I really perpetrate that?] NB I'm not defending the draft, just saying I haven't yet been persuaded that it should have been rejected. (I'm also not satisfied with the existing criteria for rejection, but this is a matter for a different discussion.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

A statement like Most KURU footwear are designed to improve foot health conditions such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, and heel spurs. is a medical claim, and we have exceptionally stringent sourcing standards for medical claims. Please see WP:MEDRS. Cullen328 (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all for responding. I am the submitter of the page. As you can see, it is my first time attempting to make a page, so I am not 100% familiar with all the rules. I didn't purposely put these in caps to attract attention, I did it because I assumed that is how it is normally stylized based on their website menu and this page mens-shoes. I have previously seen pages that have brand names all in CAPS and assumed it was how you are supposed to do it, if it is the common way of spelling it. Also, I do not have any COI. I am however a customer and own a pair of their shoes, so I am making the page as fan, which I assume is ok and how most page on Wikipedia are made. I also tried to mimic all verbiage according to the sources, so did not make up anything that is not supported by the citation. i.e I am not just saying "designed to improve foot health conditions" ,,, this is according to several cited articles. But again if this is against some policy that I was not aware of then I can change it.@Cullen328 the statement also is not claiming anything medical, because the way it is worded, it says "it is designed to improve" the condition, but it doesn't say that it does for 100%. A claim is usually more concrete such as "KURU footwear improve foot health conditions such ...." ... so in this case i don't agree that this is a medical claim. In any case, there are numerous citations for this statement. Almost every article you read about them will say that these are the purpose of the shoes. If a company was making a "sun screen" and that is how its marketed, would you argue that it is a medical claim and not accept their page, when every single article about them says they make sun screens? Downinit9 (talk) 20:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

"that is how its marketed"

Perfect demonstration of why this article is not appropriate. MaxnaCarta (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@MaxnaCarta please clarify which Wiki policy states that any company marketing their product should not be listed? Downinit9 (talk) 05:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles should not present a product as having medical benefits when those have not been demonstrated by MEDRS-level sources, regardless of what the company presents in its press releases.

A team of marketing specialists and lawyers might have managed to hack together a sentence that implies a health benefit (so that people buy the product) without claiming it (so that they don’t get sued for false advertisement). That may be a great PR feat, all involved might deserve and get huge bonuses for their great work of weasel-word-smithing. But the company’s interest is not Wikipedia’s interest (nor, should I add, the consumer’s interest).

Maybe the product or company should get a page (I have not looked deeply into it), but said page should not uncritically reproduce those weasel words (WP:NOTPROMO etc.). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan Nothing is fluff or weasel words. It may appear that way, but please check dozens of supporting articles. Please check my updated source analysis for some of the quotes I pulled regarding the supporting statements. In addition, just check some of the types of coverage they have gotten based on the title of these articles:

• The 8 Best Shoes for Heel Spurs, According to a Podiatrist,
• The 20 Best Shoes for Flat Feet, According to an Expert,
• Top 10 Shoes for Plantar Fasciitis Relief"
• 13 Best Walking Shoes for Women, According to Podiatrists
• Best Shoes For Bunions Of 2022-According To Podiatrists

(Are you Armenian BTW? if so shat shnorakal)

Downinit9 (talk) 17:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Did you look at the WP:MEDRS guideline you were linked above? None of those sources meet Wikipedia's standard for medical claims. Wikipedia cannot repeat medical claims without proper sourcing, even by trying to reclassify them as claims about how a product is marketed. MrOllie (talk) 17:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the verbiage as such that it is no longer a claim. It now says:

"Many publications have stated the benefits of the shoes in regards to improving foot health conditions such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, and heel spurs."

Would this be satisfactory, since it no longer a claim? I am now stating the facts per the publications. Downinit9 (talk) 06:21, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

See also MOS:TM. If "KURU" and "ATOM" in these brand names are not acronyms, then we do not over-capitalize them to mimic the trademark stylization, and would instead render them as "Kuru" and "Atom". Cf. Sony, which we do not write as "SONY" despite the appearance of their logo.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish Thank you for the clarification. As I said above I had seen some pages with caps and assumed it was OK. I have gone ahead and changed everything to lower case. Do you see any other issues? Downinit9 (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Haven't pored over it any detail, so I don't have anything to add to what others have said above at this point. I was just passing by and noticed all the "marketing capitalization". :-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:32, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Three points. First, a couple of people above seem to suggest that being an admin means that the user's pronouncement here should be taken more seriously. It should not. Instead, take any pronouncement on its merits. ¶ Secondly, on meanings. I think that one can say that the Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election were designed to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election. The attempts failed to overturn it. Being designed to effect X doesn't entail effecting X. Thus I disagree with Cullen328's judgment above that "designed to improve foot health conditions" is a medical claim. So much for semantics. As for pragmatics, an advertising standards authority might well disallow "designed to improve foot health conditions" for giving a not-so-attentive reader the impression that the product does "improve foot health conditions". This issue is, I think, outside the scope of WP:MEDRS; but I wouldn't be surprised if some other guideline here rules against easily-misinterpreted health-related assertions such as this. And even if there is no such guideline, I'd agree that articles should avoid such talk. Still, such talk isn't necessarily a matter of advertising. ¶ Thirdly, though we're urged to avoid whataboutery, pray indulge me for a moment. I quickly thought up a short list of shoe (rather than sneaker) brands, and came up with Bally ("Bally (fashion house)"), Birkenstock, Clarks ("C. & J. Clark"), Hush Puppies, Mephisto (no article), Dr. Scholl's, and Veldskoen. At a glance, the Clarks article is pretty good. The other articles are bad: lack of substance, lack of references, credulous use of junk references, celeb name-dropping, peacockisms, etc. "Other crap exists" is a keep/accept argument that's easy to dismiss; "other crap is near-universal" is a lot more problematic. A few minutes ago I nibbled away at one conspicuous example of awfulness in the Birkenstock article; but shoes hold little interest for me and the notion of devoting hours to clearing up shoe articles fails to thrill me. Downinit9, would you care to improve one or two of the existing articles on shoes? -- Hoary (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hoary, I certainly did not mention that I am an administrator, and I want my opinions on content matters to be evaluated the same as any other editor's opinions. I have nothing negative to say about this brand of shoes and maybe they are great. I do not know. I am not a shoe buff and wear cheap shoes because I am frugal. But I do have concerns about mentioning three very specific medical conditions in a sentence about shoe design. If somebody wrote a draft about a Mexican cancer clinic that said that they had developed a new Laetrile therapy regimen that is "designed to improve conditions such as lung cancer, breast cancer and pancreatic cancer", then I think that Wikipedia editors would rightly insist on WP:MEDRS compliant sources. I think the same standard should apply to less lethal but very painful medical conditions as well. Cullen328 (talk) 01:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, it's only now that I see that the sequencing within my prolix comment might have given the impression that you were one of my "couple of people". Of course you were not. I'm sorry for not having been more careful. I agree with everything you say about references to mild medical conditions. (We also appear to have a similar approach to shoe shopping.) My major point is about the contrast between (A) en:WP's impatience with (and utterance of suspicions about) AfC submissions and (B) its pervasive pattern of tolerating the same phenomena in established articles. But now I'll do something useful: attend to the Birkenstock article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC) PS This is quite enough Birkenstocking for me. Others here are of course most welcome to take over. -- Hoary (talk) 02:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I have changed the verbiage as such that it is no longer a medical claim. It now says:

"Many publications have stated the benefits of the shoes in regards to improving foot health conditions such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, and heel spurs." Downinit9 (talk) 06:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I think that you'll have to list what publications stated the benefits of the shoes. Helloheart (talk) 02:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Otherwise, that could be seen as promotional and you can't really say "many." (I've read a Wikipedia help page on this, but I don't remember its name.) It's a bit like relativity; to one person, just three news sources could be "many" but to another person the minimum amount of news sources needed would have to be at least a hundred. I would word it as "Example 1 of a reliable news source, the Example Dos Times and Example to the Power of 3 Publications states that the shoes help in regards to certain conditions such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, and heel spurs." Another thing that you could do is add a quote, but I don't know if that would work for this sort of article. Helloheart (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

How to give request to make a new copyright tag

Hi, I want to request the editors to form a new copyright tag for uploading files in Wikipedia Commons. What is the procedure and where can I request it? Ku423winz1 (talk) 04:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Try asking at Commons, not here. (The English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons are separate projects with their own standards and practices.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Links

I was pressing the random article button (more times than I want to admit) and I came across an article. There was a template saying that it needed more links to integrate into Wikipedia and looked through the article it appears to have enough articles and I am not quite sure if I can remove the template. The article is Lob Bomb. Wikiwow is just W0W!! (talk) 05:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I meant enough links. Sorry Wikiwow is just W0W!! (talk) 05:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikiwow1102, Y Removed. Next time, I invite you to be bold. — ^Clyde!_Franklin! 06:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Creating Article Page

To whom it may concern,

Hello, how can we create some articles on wikipedia. We'd started by creating one authors socialist biography which is not publish yet. We're new to wiki so can you guide us to contribute some informations realated. How much time its take to confirm our account?

thankyou. Nepaliabhilekh (talk) 05:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Nepaliabhilekh, you already have an account. It's the username "Nepaliabhilekh". You say "we". A username may only be used by one person. A second, third or other person may not use "Nepaliabhilekh" but may instead create, and edit as, a different username. Wikipedia does not want socialist biographies, or conservative biographies. It wants reliably sourced, neutral biographies of notable people (who of course may be, or may have been, socialist or conservative or apolitical). If you're thinking of submitting Draft:Aashish Jung as an article, please do not do so until you have done much more work on it. Currently, its very first paragraph -- Subject's complete name (birthdate – death) can be a lead-in to the subject's popular name. Describe the subject's nationality and profession(s) in which the subject is most notable. Provide a description of the subject's major contributions in the immediately relevant field(s) of notable expertise. -- is enough to disqualify it, and it has additional problems. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@nepaliabhilekh:

• Hello, how can we create some articles on wikipedia. We'd started by creating one authors socialist biography which is not publish yet.

  is this about Draft:Aashish Jung/User:Nepaliabhilekh/sandbox/Template:Aashish Jung (आशिष जंग)? please stick to improving one version, preferably the one with "draft:", and don't do it on the page with "template:". i have nominated the template for deletion.

  the article will absolutely not be accepted, as it is highly malformed. it tries to use the template you created (don't do that) and has a lot of spelling and grammatical errors. the lead is just the default text too.

• We're new to wiki so can you guide us to contribute some informations realated.

  read up on help:your first article.

• How much time its take to confirm our account?

  to gain the autoconfirmed right, you need to have made at least 10 edits and your account must be at least 4 days old.

lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 06:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

A) Please see Wikipedia:FIRST.

B) Please see Wikipedia:BIO, Wikipedia:NPOV and Wikipedia:VERIFY.

C) For your account to be autoconfirmed, your account needs to be atleast 4 days old, and it needs to have atleast 10 edits. ██ Dentsinhere43 is a new Wikipedian. 06:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration

I edited Abraham Lincoln and slavery and another editor undid my edit. I explained on his Talk page the reason for my edit; he has not explained his objection to it. I know not to turn this into an editing war, so would someone explain the arbitration procedure, please. For details, look at User talk:Alanscottwalker, # 82, "Booth's comment." Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi again @Maurice Magnus. I think you're looking for Dispute resolution procedures. However, there's generally a prerequisite of discussion on the article talk page; I'm not sure whether a dialogue between just the two of you on their talk page will meet the requirements. You can always try, though. The best avenue here might be WP:3O. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration explicitly does not handle content disputes. You want to take it to 3O or MedCab next. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Maurice Magnus, the proper place to discuss this content dispute is Talk:Abraham Lincoln and slavery, which you have not yet done. Taking the dispute anywhere else will be declined unless you discuss it thoroughly at the article talk page. That always comes first. This dispute is not appropriate for ArbCom. Cullen328 (talk) 03:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Please see my comment titled "Quoting versus Paraphrasing" at Talk:Abraham Lincoln and slavery. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Druware article

Hi helpful friends! I've been lazily but lovingly working on an article about Druware, a brand of cookware that was wildly popular (at least in New England) in the middle of the 20th century. I'm still working on dredging up additional sources to meet the bar of notability, but I'm wondering how to manage one aspect. There's a very active world of collecting midcentury enameled cookware, and Druware specifically. Unfortunately, Le_Creuset, Cousances, and Descoware get all the glory in Wikipedia, despite a paucity of high-quality references in their articles. (Not sure how those snuck into article space, but I'll try to suppress my jealousy for now.)

There are zillions of Pinterest boards, and hundreds of pieces of this cookware for sale at high prices at any given time on auction sites such as eBay. I'd think that this modern, observable activity could help support notability (some day, someone will look back on those auction pages and use them as sources to prove the popularity of the collection trade today)...but I'm not sure quite how to manage referencing the observable popularity that currently exists. Citing eBay search URLs doesn't seem particularly strong as evidence, due to their ephemeral nature. Is this activity at all relevant now, or shall we have to wait for the patina of history to give it gravitas? Thanks for any advice you might have. Kerri9494 (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kerri9494, welcome to the Teahouse. Activity/popularity/sales are only tangentially relevant to notability. Sometimes those things generate coverage in reliable sources which we can then cite, and which might contribute to notability, but not always.

As for how those other articles got into mainspace - it was 2005, 2008, and 2007. I've heard those called the wild west days of Wikipedia. ;) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:WHATABOUT applies to draft reviews as well as for deletion discussions. Just because you create something that has the same level of sourcing as an established article, doesn't mean it will pass the notability tests. Those other articles may fail if put to the test. And since you've pointed them out, I'm going to give them a look to see if they shouldn't be examined by the community at WP:AFD. Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 14:46, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about Druware, but all the others are very well known. I will add the sources needed this weekend to blunt UtherSRG's valiant but entirely gratuitous sniping expedition in wanting to have them deleted. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I actually don't want them to be deleted. I want the sources found and added as they should have been years ago. One of them was tagged 11 years ago, one in 2017, and one never was, though definitely should have been. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

OK. I've added two for descoware for a start; will look for the others, including druware. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG I appreciate your point, but I'd like to clarify that I'm not asserting whataboutism to support a notability claim, I'm seeking advice on whether or not the current popularity of collecting Druware is relevant to a notability claim, and if so, what's the best way to include that information. I'll keep plugging along and do my best, and would still appreciate any advice you might have on that question. If the article doesn't reach notability, it doesn't reach notability. Thanks. Kerri9494 (talk) 15:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

As it says in the draft's submission header, the sources must be in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject), reliable, secondary, and independent of the subject. Read the info in those links to help guide you to what's needed. (And I'd say that Not sure how those snuck into article space sounds a bit of whataboutism to me.) - UtherSRG (talk) 15:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@UtherSRG My apologies. I expected my light-hearted orthogonal comment about the challenge of fairness in such an enormous corpus as Wikipedia would be met with similar levity in a "friendly place" designed to "get help", not find me chastised for whataboutism. Consider me appropriately admonished.

After having read the guidelines you've linked, I am still interested in some specific guidance regarding the issue at hand (modulo the helpful point about popularity being tangential to notability from @199.208.172.35) -- the role of popularity in relation to notability. It's pointed out in the discussion of notability that popularity "may enhance the acceptability of a subject" if it meets other notability guidelines (which I shall continue to work on).

While ephemeral auction links don't seem to be specifically addressed in any of those topics, to someone such as myself -- who is admittedly not as experienced with Wikipedia's bar for sources -- this information does seem to be somehow relevant. An eBay link with 229 listings (and perhaps more importantly, a consistent volume of hundreds of such listings at any given time, over the span of decades) doesn't seem like a passing mention; it seems reliable as it's a source from a decades-old company (considering the admittedly narrow but relevant Wikipedia:VENDOR use case for Wikipedia:Verify); it's secondary and independent in that eBay has no primary relationship to Druware, but yet clearly communicates -- simply by the persistent existence of its copious listings -- that there is brisk interest in the subject.

But on the other hand, it's an ephemeral eBay link. Which seems...weird as a source. But relevant. But still weird. I suppose it's possible that I'm the only who feels a bit of cognitive dissonance here, but I've seen weirder things cited in other indices, abstracts, and fact books. I'm just not sure how one would treat such a consistent but ephemeral source. Kerri9494 (talk) 16:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kerri9494, a link to an eBay listing - or to hundreds of eBay listing - is very rarely going to be useful as a source. Not only are we in WP:VENDOR territory, but also WP:SELFPUB, not to mention original research if you're trying to use them as evidence of either popularity or notability. I think your time and energy would be best spent looking for better sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, and consider me equally admonished for harshness in a friendly pub. Fowler&fowler is working on getting better references for the other articles. You can take a look at what they are finding and see if you can find similar references for Druware. You could also try building up a Google search by starting with "Druware" and then slowly applying various -website-name minuses to narrow in on possible helpful references. UtherSRG (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, after my first post to this friendly pub resulting in three reasonable articles being marked for deletion, requiring editors to scramble to improve them within seven days or risk them being removed from article space, I should probably go back into hibernation. Kerri9494 (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kerri9494: I hope you don't. That wasn't on you. Creating new articles is the hardest part of Wikipedia. Your desire to create the Druware article is commendable. We failed you by failing to ensure similar articles were up to snuff so that you'd have an easier time seeing what your goal should look like. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:22, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

About my autoconfirmed

My account didn't become autoconfirmed even after having more than 150 edits and my account is 4 days old can any one explain me about this Why is my account not confirmed? Jisshu (talk) 05:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Your account isn't yet 4 days old. It won't be until 08:21 2022/11/05 (UTC). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Jisshu, it takes 96 full hours. Is there a reason why you are in a hurry to become autoconfirmed? Cullen328 (talk) 05:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I see that you created MC STAN directly, without going through AfC. Be aware that Draft:MC Stan, by different editors, has been Declined several times, and earlier versions Speedy deleted. It is possible that your version does not meet the critera for notability for musicians, and is at risk for AfD. Your other draft (Draft:Emiway Bantai (rapper)) has been rejected. I recommend that for any other articles you intend to create, you go through the AfC process. David notMD (talk) 10:35, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Your effort now at Draft:MC STAN. David notMD (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Mehmet Oz

A minor inconsistency on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz It regards the length of time that Dr. Oz served in the Turkish Army. In the wikipage introduction, it states six weeks to maintain his Turkish citizenship. But later on in the article, it states two years: "Oz served in the Turkish Army during the 1980s for six weeks of mandatory training specifically for citizens who reside in foreign countries, to maintain his Turkish citizenship."

"spent two years in the Turkish army after college to maintain his dual citizenship."

Did he serve twice or is this just a typo, and, if so, can you pass this on to the editor? I attempted to send this information to the page editors but am not sure that I succeeded. Thanks, Ron Hines Ronaldhines (talk) 16:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Normally we'd want this discussion at the bottom (the most current) post of Talk:Mehmet Oz. Do you mind if I post this valid question there? I am looking into it and you may have a point. BusterD (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I have asked the question at Talk:Mehmet Oz#Sourcing for Turkish military service. I imagine there are sharp eyes on that talk page this weekend. Expect a reply and thanks especially for raising the issue here, since you weren't sure. There are 6 million plus articles and only so many eyes. We appreciate yours. Don't be shy about helping out. If you'd like to do so, keep coming back and asking good questions. BusterD (talk) 17:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

The bit about serving "two years" was not supported by the provided source and I've removed that from the Oz article. This source says he served for 60 days. Its being "six weeks" isn't supported by provided sources either. —ADavidB 19:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Nate Oliver

I was on the Nate Oliver (baseball) page. At the bottom of the article in the personal life section, it gives his date of death last month. The top of the article shows him as still alive. I did a web search for his obituary and cannot find anything. This is the first time I have seen this on Wikipedia.

I use Wikipedia to help write autograph requests. It is impolite to send auto requests to the family of someone who has passed. TideFanDan (talk) 19:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Nate Oliver ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TideFanDan. Another editor reverted the unreferenced claim that Oliver has died. I searched online and could find no evidence that he has died. He commented to a TV station in 2020 about the death of Joe Morgan so reporters know how to reach him. If you run across this again, just remove the unreferenced claim of death. Erroneous reports of death can be quite distressing to the subject and their friends, relatives and fans. Cullen328 (talk) 19:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Please remove all inappropriate external links?

First artcile. Looks like I picked the wrong category for submission - musician. But, I finally hit an editor with some specific advice which I really appreciate! "Please remove all inappropriate external links from the body of the article"

1. How can links to a musician's past performances and song credits be inappropriate? This is what a musician does and is what makes the 'notable', right? I guess I was equating the links to citations.
2. Why don't the editors give SPECIFIC advice, like 'please remove the link to ........' Does Wikipedia have a markup function where the editor can actually mark items for suggested changes like most other document apps have?
3. How can a new contributor learn if no specific advice or examples are given by editors? Very frustrating.
4. Isn't 'notability' inherently subjective? Prior to doing my first article, I researched other musician pages, some of which have been up for years, and many were lacking the high level of notability seemingly expected currently. Is one editor's notability another editors notable?
5. Maybe I should try another less stringently moderated subject as my first article or contribution. Or, just give up and move on.

LPDan (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@LPDan: Hello LPDan! First, you've started out doing one of the hardest things on Wikipedia which is creating an article. It's usually recommended to have edited pre-existing articles first prior to making your first. Second, you can read about what is and isn't an appropriate external link here. I'm not really suited to answer your other questions unfortunately, but i hope this at least helps somewhat. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:10, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

LPDan: just "Jack Berry (musician)" would be enough for disambiguation. All external links from the main text of the article are unacceptable and should be removed. To establish notability, you need to cite sources, with <ref> tags. Maproom (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LPDan. Content about performances and song credits may be appropriate, but should be verified by properly formatted bibliographic inline references as opposed to external links. Also, performances and song credits do not make a musician notable. Instead, reviews of their performances and recordings published by independent, reliable sources help make a musician notable. External links do not belong in the body of an article. You can create a dedicated external links section at the end of the article, which normally contains a link to the subject's website or main social media site. Cullen328 (talk) 20:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

en.wiki not picking up changes at commons

see Crimean peninsula. As of now, it shows correctly as part of Ukraine

The article Greenwich Mean Time (and others) invokes File:Time zones of Europe, incl. Transcaucasia.svg from Commons. Recently, a Russian editor 'revised' it (on Commons) to show Crimea as part of Russia. The disruptive edit has been reverted and, as may be seen from the example (right), is displaying the correct [according to international law] information. But for some reason I don't understand, the GMT article is still showing the vandalised version. I have tried completely shutting down my computer and restarting with no effect. Can someone check the GMT page to see if it is a general problem or should I just take it personally . If it is, how can it be resolved? (Null edits to the affected articles?)

[It must have worked before else the vandalised version would not have made it through.] 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

It looks fine to me on Greenwich Mean Time. Have you tries WP:BYPASS? ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

These things can take time to update because of technical things like web caching. It appears correctly on the page now. WPscatter ^t/_c 17:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hah! I just KNEW it was personal! "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in fo' me! "

Yes, thank you Maddy, that resolved it. Exit, pursued by bear. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, are you certain this edit was disruptive? According to this 2014 article, Crimea changed to Moscow's timezone in that year and I can't find a more recent source saying they changed it since. [10] WPscatter ^t/_c 18:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Not for me to say but I guess it is the de facto v the de jure problem. Right now, Crimea is occupied and controlled by Russia and declared by them to be part of Russia, so obviously all publically-visible clocks show Moscow time – or else. But by international law, Crimea is part of Ukraine, which observes Eastern European Time. Conventionally, such disputes are shown on maps using stripes or checker-board pattern. You would have to raise it at Commons.

Meanwhile a tid-bit for history fans: n parts of Ireland, Catholic rebels (until their defeat in the Nine Years' War) kept the "new" Easter in defiance of the English-loyal authorities; later, Catholics practising in secret petitioned the Propaganda Fide for dispensation from observing the new calendar, as it signalled their disloyalty. (Adoption of the Gregorian calendar#Adoption in Protestant countries) Nothing new under the sun. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:36, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I see that the equivalent image at Eastern European Time has been replaced by File:Time zones of Europe (Crimea disputed).svg, with Crimea striped. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability verification for a recent biographical entry

Hi there. I am an academic, and someone other than myself produced a biographical article on me. The article has recently been flagged with the following note: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for academics. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted." I read through the notability guidelines, which lists being editor of a established academic journal in my subject area as one of eight sufficient conditions for establishing notability. I am Editor-in-Chief of such an established journal in my field of research. (It has been published since 1971, and has an international readership.) My question is: can anyone guide me in how I should notify the relevant Wikipedia Editors that (so far as I can tell) I meet the notability guidelines? With thanks! 24.60.151.5 (talk) 19:13, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Notability is judged solely on the subject being discussed in multiple independent and reliable sources. Perhaps you could provide a link to the article in question so that editors here can make an appropriate judgement? Thanks  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   19:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, Velella, WP:NACADEMIC says Many scientists, researchers, philosophers, and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources. and it also says Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable, and one of those criteria is The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area. NACADEMIC is an exception to your otherwise accurate explanation of how notability is judged. Cullen328 (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I stand corrected, but, nevertheless, we do need confirmation that the Journal is indeed a "well established academic journal" that is headed by this person. A little more detail would help enormously.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   20:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear Cullen328 and Velella, thanks so much for your responses. In response to Velella's request, here is a link to the article in question: Mitch Green (professor)

It's easy confirm that I'm Editor-in-Chief of a journal, as can be seen by following this link. https://www.springer.com/journal/11406

(The other E.-i.-C will step down from that position at the end of 2022).

I look forward to hearing any further advice you might be able to offer, and appreciate your time. 24.60.151.5 (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I have added a reference verifying that you are editor-in-chief and removed the tag. Cullen328 (talk) 21:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much, I greatly appreciate that. 24.60.151.5 (talk) 21:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Where to report vandalism?

Hi, A IP user did vandalism here [11], by deleting properly sourced paragraph. Due to many edits inbetween I'm not able to undo it. Someone her do undo that edit and stop that IP form further Vandalism.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Rock Stone Gold Castle! Welcome to the Teahouse. The place to report vandalism would be at WP:AIV. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 09:49, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Your Power, be careful when answering questions here to investigate and make sure the answer you're giving is the right one. What is called vandalism here is certainly not (though it does remove a valid citation, it seems like a good faith edit), and even if it was, AIV should only be used for repeated, persistent vandalism, ignoring at least 4 warnings beforehand. Pointing new and frustrated users there is only going to waste the admins' time. WPscatter ^t/_c 17:55, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wpscatter: Oh, well, I messed up there ... my bad for not checking the linked diff any further 😓 I was under the assumption that the deleting was being repeated. Anyway. Now while the editor could have indicated why the paragraph was removed in the first place, I do agree that calling it vandalism at first glance is at best poor judgment And ftr, the four-warnings guideline is not always a requirement especially with very egregious vandalism. Some folks skip straight to level 3 or 4 warnings, or go directly towards requesting a block. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 23:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Your Power:, I did not understand how to report there. Atleast two IP user : 122.162.146.102 did this [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1120119991] vandalism many times. He writes his name in article. He should be blocked for editing, his name possibly is Digvijay Yadav, that's why he is writing it. Anathor IP is this - 49.37.241.79, He removed match-fixing done by Mohammad Azharuddin here [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1120040896]]. I suggest to block these two IP users, to protect article from vandalism.Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 10:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC) @Hoary:, Hi, can you solve this matter?Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Rock Stone Gold Castle, what you report is not vandalism, and should not be reported as vandalism. On Wikipedia, vandalism is used to mean "editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose". When someone expresses an opinion you disagree with, it is not vandalism. You should discuss the issue on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 11:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Rock Stone Gold Castle, I second what Maproom has written. Though you've already rather messed things up on the article's talk page with your comment "IP did vandalism". Please rethink what you have written there. You should not remove it, but you might consider striking it through. (Like this.). -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary: But the IP deleted large of amount of content without discussing on talk page, he didn't written a single word, why he did it. I just noticed in history some fishy thing, so tried to put infront of other editors. If removing reliable sourced data without discussing is appropriate? But what about other IP, he is adding his name as Board of Control for Cricket in India's CEO, often? @Arjayay:, @Wjemather: many times reverted his edits, earlier called it Vandalism [[12]]. (talk) 14:22, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

i am trying to write an article about myself but whenever i complete it, it gets deleted i dont know i have been trying since yesterday please help me resolve this issue or it will be better if you can correct me

Account creation failing Bayuski (talk) 04:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you trying to create an account, or are you trying to write an article? You appear to be logged in to an account right now, are you trying to create a new one? WPscatter ^t/_c 04:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes i am trying to write about myself and achievements. i already created an account and i am a new user Bayuski (talk) 05:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

It's very unlikely that an article about yourself will be accepted. Wikipedia subjects must meet a threshold of notability, and on top of that it's very difficult to maintain a neutral point of view when writing about yourself. If you believe you are notable enough for an article you may request one be written, but please review the notability guidelines before doing so. WPscatter ^t/_c 05:05, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

You started by trying to create an article about yourself at your User page, which is the wrong place, hence deleted. See WP:YFA for how to create and then submit a draft. That said, unless you strongly believe that you meet the notability guidelines, you will fail. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

You may want to read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If an article about you is ever published on Wikipedia that article won't belong to you, and anyone who finds a reliable reference about you can add information to it, even if the edit contains something you don't want to be included. Are you certain that having an encyclopedia article about yourself is something you really want? Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:50, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I would pay attention to what has been said to you by the previous editors. There have been many instances of people basically writing about themselves only to have it bite them on the ass later on. See Charlene McMann for one. Established notability and did something monumentally stupid later on. Subject and various sockpuppets have been trying in vain to scrub the page for years now. Regards,   Aloha27  talk  23:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

1929 Major League Baseball season

Hello and good day. Go to following article above. Go to Statistical Leaders infobox. How do I adjust National League header so it runs straight across like American League header on left? Please advise, cant figure out how to fix this. Thanks for your help. Have a good day.``` Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:28, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531: done. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

It still wraps for me if I zoom a little. I see no good reason for that table to force a specific width so I have removed it.[13] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Random Promotion rather than historical fact?

The article on the Ivoryton Playhouse, a National Register site in Connecticut, has a lot of what I'd consider extraneous marketing detail (e.g. what times and days are the present management's children's show performed). I do not want to get into a dispute with the theatre's current management. Is there a more neutral edit could be made? Blue Water (talk) 22:07, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Example: "its productions were an artistic success from the start", unreferenced. Blue Water, please feel free to prune this thing ruthlessly. Don't refrain from doing so merely in an attempt to spare anybody's feelings. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I have pruned it ruthlessly and moved it to be an article about the building rather than the theater it contains. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Anachronist I strongly disagree with your renaming an article that has existed as Ivoryton Playhouse since 2007, and is far better known as a well-known theater than as a historic building. I recommend you revert your name change and restore content about the theater, albeit without the laudatory phrases. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Your objection is noted. I strongly disagree with you. I have moved this discussion to Talk:Comstock-Cheney Hall. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:21, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Avoiding page history complications

The content on Hedgepeth and Williams v. Board of Education was pretty much entirely plagiarized from its original sources (some are now dead links, but they're still accessible through archive.org). I made a mistake in copy-pasting my revisions to a user sandbox (User:Galactic-Radiance/sandbox2) instead of moving the original article, and between that and the blatant copyright violations of the original page, I'm not sure what the next steps are for avoiding problems with the page history and attribution. From digging around, the first two options seem to be:

• Speedy-deleting the original Hedgepeth and Williams page due to the copyright violations and moving my sandbox version over to it. Wipes out the versions that are copyright violations, but also potentially results in attribution problems.
• Copy-pasting my revision over to the original page, requesting a history merge from my sandbox to the original article, and then requesting revision deletion of the plagiarized versions.

I've been around here long enough to know that there's a multitude of tools, policies, and request pages for edge cases like this. Is there a simpler option that I've overlooked, or would one of the above options be the best way to handle it, give or take some extra steps? –Galactic-Radiance (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Galactic-Radiance: Both options can be done. Speedy delete with the appropriate tag linking to the copyrighted content, and replacing it with a fresh article. Alternatively, I can move the non-copyvio revisions from your sandbox over the original article, which would effectively delete it by replacing it. Drop me a note on my talk page when you're ready for this. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:25, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Getting an article published

I'm having trouble finding the right sources to get an article published. It's a series of novels from 2013 and the issue is that it was published independently through an author with very little internet presence. The book did have a sizable impact on fandom culture and a lot of associated books do have pages. The series is All for the Game By Nora Sakavic. Nv1213 (talk) 18:14, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Nv1213, welcome to the Teahouse. It's entirely believable that the novels have popularity in online communities. However, until independent, reliable published sources cover the series in depth, notability will not have been achieved. If there are no reliable sources, then it could be WP:TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article. Fandom coverage is user-generated and therefore not considered reliable. If, however, the Fandom situation gets coverage in reliable sources, notability could result. Quisqualis (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Have you come across this Publisher's Weekly article yet? McCARTNEY, J. (2016). The Game Changer. Publishers Weekly, 263(43), 41. -- asilvering (talk) 02:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Pardon me for this question, but is Publishers' Weekly a publisher? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

It's a journal - see Publishers Weekly. -- asilvering (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Publishers Weekly is a trade publication for the book industry. It publishes about 9000 book reviews each year. The reviews are short, averaging about 200 to 250 words, and the reviwers are paid as little as $25.00. In my opinion, such a review contributes very little toward notability. Cullen328 (talk) 03:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I did have that article as a reference when it was rejected. Nv1213 (talk) 04:37, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you'll need more than just that - at least one other, usually more. -- asilvering (talk) 05:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Concerning wikipedia and BlackBeard

Blackbeard the pirate was said to light wicks on his hat to instill fear into his enemies. I think he light wicks on his hat prior to battle to have a source of fire to ignite things like his pistols (for example if his flints fell out), or a cannon fuse or rifle etc. as well as to instill fear. Readily available fire comes in handy and bic lighters (or zippo's) where not available in the 17th century. Thiebaudster (talk) 04:52, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Thiebaudster, you can discuss this on the article talk page, where editors familiar with the article can help out. You will have to provide reliable sources to verify the information provided. Kpddg ^(talk) 06:08, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Homosexual Serial Killers?

Is it ok too talk about homosexual serial killers? Simplystart (talk) 06:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Going to assume you have good intentions. Do you mean if it's okay to 'edit' articles about homosexual serial Killers like Jeffrey Dahmer? Well am not an expert here but seen other experts reject your questions before. But as long as such additions are noteworthy and relevant. I don't see why you cannot as long as you keep it appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Simpleshooter999 (talk) 06:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Freezing the first row/column of wikitable

Is there a solution/possibilty that could freezing the first row/column of wikitable just like the function in Microsoft Excel? Unnamelessness (talk) 03:43, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes it is possilbe, what you are going to do is go to preferences then gadgets. Then you will go to testing and development when you see that, click the box where it says Make sure that headers of tables remain in view as long as the table is in view (requires Firefox v59 or Safari). `~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 06:53, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

On the subject of Blackbeard the pirate.

2601:204:C502:7220:0:0:0:A357 (talk) 04:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

see blackbeard. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 07:55, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Cannot login

Hi, I am very sure this time I didn't forget my password. Yet when I try to login today after a long time of not editing. I now get a message saying something is hijacking my login process and so I cannot log-in at all. I am however able to make a new account but prefer my old one if possible. Is there a simple fix for this? Simpleshooter999 (talk) 05:59, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

H:RP should help! It tells you how to reset your password and get your account back! `~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 06:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Simpleshooter999: Are you blocking cookies for Wikipedia by any chance? The login process needs cookies in order to work. HelpingWorld, I do not believe your reply is helpfull. If you input an incorrect username/password combination into the login form and hit the submit button, the system is going to tell you that you inputed an incorrect username/password. I believe the particular error message the OP is describing is the result of when a hidden CSRF token, which the servers add to all login forms (as well as other forms, including edit, but those use a distinct token), is not present or invalid when the login form is submitted. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Distinguishing blue and black text

On my Desktop PC at least blue (linked) and black (plain) text are hard to distinguish. I am forced to squint.

• How can these colours be made more distinctive? ----MountVic127 (talk) 09:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

  You can edit Special:MyPage/common.css to change the style. For example, to turn blue links yellow, you could enter:
  

  a {
    color: purple;
  }
  <!--
  

  , and similarly for other colours. You can also use RGB codes, for example #00ff00 for green. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 09:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help. :-)

Green for links still has poor contrast compared to black.

Works with bolded black such as Distinguishing blue and black text if same as file name but not file sections.

Orange is already used for unresolved disambigs such as WTO (disambiguation) . . . another Teahouse person helped me with this.

Yellow over white has no contrast.

will try brown or purple.

What are all the named colours, such as lightgreen? ----MountVic127 (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

There is a list at Web colors § extended colors. You can also copy the hex values from this table and tweak them; the first two characters are the red part, the secon two the green, and the last are blue. They're hexadecimal, so 0 is the lowest and F the highest proportion. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again. I think that green/black contrast if fair enough and I will get used to it in time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MountVic127 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

MountVic127, the standard (for now) Vector 2010 skin has a fairly dark blue for links. If you're using that, you could try Vector 2022 which I has a lighter shade. You can change your skin at Preferences – Appearance. On the other hand, if the lighter blue doesn't help, just stick with the custom green. You could also consider underlining links rather than relying on color alone. Could be helpful, could be distracting – Wikipedia articles often have a lot of links, so it's a balancing act to make them “prominent enough but not too prominent”. Have you encountered many other sites where the links are difficult to distinguish? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 06:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I HAVE CHANGED BLUE TO green which is an improvement. ----MountVic127 (talk) 09:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Adding images of letters to navbox

I have just created a draft page for Tje (a ligature of Cyrillic Te and the Soft sign). As Tje is not yet in Unicode, I am wondering if and how it should be put into a navbox. (navbox: Template:Infobox Cyrillic letter) SlimyGecko7 (talk) 20:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@SlimyGecko7: I think "ТЬ" would do. Adding a zero-width joiner – Т‍Ь (Т‍Ь, looks same for me) – has the right semantics, but doesn't (yet) render as a ligature. Could be worth asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Writing systems? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:06, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

My page is rejected , how to contest and get approved

I have been working in climate challenges to create awareness and sensitise . so I created my page, but , I have received a message saying may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained. Ramesh shivanna (talk) 09:45, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

If you are talking about your thrice-deleted user page, you need to read about the purpose of a user page. You also need to read the advice against autobiography, and realise that Wikipedia is not for promotion. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:43, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Record Label Roster

I am trying to update the current roster of Flightless Records, however, due to lack of official word from any acts or the label itself, i am unable to cite the article. I am trying to add Amyl and the Sniffers, Babe Rainbow, King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard, The Murlocs and Tropical Fuck Storm to the alumni section of the article. All recent releases from these acts have been on other labels. How can I remedy this to get the correct roster?

I don't believe that there will be any official word regarding this as it has been a while since they have left the label without saying anything, and I have personally spoken to one of the members of Tropical Fuck Storm and they stated it was a private matter so there won't be anything public regarding that. Beatlebyrd050 (talk) 10:06, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Beatlebyrd050, Amyl's ARIA listing for their self-titled debut (https://www.aria.com.au/awards/news/2019-aria-award-winners-announced) says Flightless Records, though AllMusic only lists the ATO catalogue numbers. I haven't looked at the other bands. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes their self titled debut was on flightless, but their subsequent release is not on flightless, and is listed under virgin on ARIA. Beatlebyrd050 (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

listed here under the album of the year noms. the problem is for most of the artists, there is no word saying that they have left the label, despite all new releases from these acts appearing under other labels Beatlebyrd050 (talk) 10:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Short of creating a new section "bands known to have recorded for Flightless but now with uncertain relationship status", I think you'd be okay listing them under alumni. Amyl don't seem to be mentioned in the Flightless article at all, currently. Better to add them under the presumptively-correct section than to have them missing, IMHO. One person's WP:SYNTH is another's WP:SKY. Seems that an IP recently removed some bands from current roster but didn't add them to alumni. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 11:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

About

Can I add source in which was available in Hindi Language Jisshu (talk) 12:37, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jisshu hi. I think you can, but it’s good to provide a translation too. From what I read at WP:RSUE Blanchey (talk) 12:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Finding the coordinates of Baugh Creek idaho

So I am creating a page called Baugh Creek, and I put the coordinates of the supposed creek but it shows Oregon not Idaho can someone help? The source is https://www.topozone.com/idaho/blaine-id/stream/baugh-creek-2/ and thats where it says the cords the page im creating is User:HelpingWorld/sandbox. Thanks!`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 04:51, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

No, co-ords, but you might find some other usable material (e.g. land ownership, maps) in Shahverdian et al. 2018 [14] ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 09:29, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@HelpingWorld: Wikidata to the rescue? Baugh Creek (Q49847470) says 43°30'33"N, 114°3'25"W, based on USGS GNIS 377046 ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 09:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@HelpingWorld: Actually, the mouth of Baugh Creek (its confluence with the Little Wood River) seems to be a bit south of that, at 43.50562°N 114.05714°W / 43.50562; -114.05714, or about 43°30′20″N, 114°3′26″W. It's clearly visible on the Google aerial map. Sometimes the course of a stream can change or the GNIS data can be a bit off for other reasons. Deor (talk) 13:04, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Policy stating that you're not supposed to edit on others' behalf

Does such a thing exist? If so, where can I find it? I think I've seen something similar to this on WP, but I cannot remember where it is and cannot find it. I'm asking this because an Uncyclopedia editor with a vanished WP account (and doesn't want to unvanish for some reason I don't think I've heard about) keeps finding things here and asks people to do stuff for them. ARandomPage (talk • contribs) 06:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Was it in WP:COI because it talks about similar things to that. `~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 06:59, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi ARandomPage, WP:PROXYING might be relevant. I believe in this situation it is probably allowed as long as you take responsibility for those edits. Justiyaya 07:17, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ARandomPage. Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Meatpuppetry. Cullen328 (talk) 07:48, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, they're not trying to use "meatpuppets" in the sense that WP:MEAT implies. Usually, they just find some form of error or vandalism or something on Wikipedia that they just can't fix due to the reasons I said above. ARandomPage (talk • contribs) 16:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I do think this is relevant here. The Uncyclopedian did have their account vanished. I do believe I have my own reasons for carrying out a few of their edits (so far just one), so I think I'll be alright. ARandomPage (talk • contribs) 16:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:MEAT? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Translation work from English/Spanish into Greek

Hello everyone! I am a Greek Archaeologist-Museologist and I am interested in doing some translation work from English or Spanish into Greek in Wikipedia. However, I cannot figure out how I can do. I definitely need step by step guidance. I have created a profil where only editor job etc (except tranlsation option) is stated. I have also visited Wikipedia: translation page/pages needing translation but I still have troubles in finding the way to further proceed and do the job.

I would appreciate if you could provide relevant information and instructions.

Best, Alexia Ntousaki Alexntous (talk) 15:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Alexntous. Please read Wikipedia:Translate us which should get you started. Attribution is very important. Cullen328 (talk) 16:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Error 503

I frequently encounter "Error 503" when editing Wikipedia with Norton Smart Firewall installed on my computer. However, as soon as I deactivate Norton, editing becomes normal. Debug result points to proxy issues. Is there a fix? RPSkokie (talk) 12:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@RPSkokie: This might be a better question to ask at WP:VPT. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf thanks. I am heading out there now. RPSkokie (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Berdia Diant

Original post:

ایجاد مقاله

چندین بار مقاله ای جهت سرشناسی بیشتر بازیگر بردیا دیانت ایجاد کردم ولی حدف شد،راهنمایی بفرمایید لطفا 5.116.245.234 (talk) 05:42, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Machine translation:

Create an article

I have created an article several times for the better recognition of the actor Berdia Dayant, but it was not enough, please guide me

Hello, IP! This appears to be about https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/بردیا_دیانت deleted in Farsi Wikipedia? Please ask them there. Few people on English Wikipedia would be familiar with policies on Farsi WP. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:44, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

...in addition, each language of Wikipedia is functionally separate from one another, with different processes, policies, and people involved, so we're not really able to help here. apologies, and happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

"for the better recognition of the actor" is not an appropriate justification for creating a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not for promotion. Please take advantage of social media or wikis with less stringent screening criteria to spread the word about Dayant. Quisqualis (talk) 18:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Correcting an article

An item in the Wikipedia article about historic houses in Ashland, Kentucky has an error. In the list of National Register homes there is mention of the "Edward Poage House" at 1016 Winchester Avenue in Ashland. That house was on the National Register but the home was owned by Edwin Poage, not Edward. Mr. Poage was my grandfather and his daughter my mother, so I am entirely familiar with this matter. 47.187.7.102 (talk) 21:55, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? In any case, if it was on the National Register, that is what must be on the page, and it can't be corrected without reference to a reliable, secondary source. Correcting it based on your personal knowledge is original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. If however there is a reliable source confirming this, then feel free to correct the article by adding a citation to it. WPscatter ^t/_c 22:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Found an issue in a semi-protected article that I can't edit

In the article Web design, the first letter of the sentence beginning as "In November 1992" seems bold for no reason.

I'd be very thankful if someone with the authority to do so could fix this. Raizael (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Fixed. Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:13, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Just so you know for the future, you can make edit requests on the talk page of protected pages, as long as they're specific (i.e. not just "can someone fix this article please"). If it's a reasonable change that would improve the page (as this one was) then it will probably get done quickly. WPscatter ^t/_c 22:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

upload jpeg graphics

Greetings, I'm attempting to upload 2 jpeg files. I'm currently in the sandbox. After the files are uploaded I want to publish to wikipedia. Wordworkin (talk) 20:04, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Before uploading images or other media files, you must find out what the copyright status of the two files is. The english Wikipedia only accepts media files which either, demonstratibly:

• are in the public domain because of age, simplicity or other reasons,
• freely licensed or
• meet all of Wikipedia's non-free content criteria.

Public domain and freely licensed media should be uploaded to our sister project Wikimedia Common, while non-free files most be uploaded locally.

I assume this query is about User:Wordworkin/sandbox, to which I have done a few formatting changes, however, I am not convinced it is ready for article space yet. For example, all references seem to be web content, however, zero thereof have a URL that would allow me or anyone else to look at the sources without engaginga search engine. Please read Wikipedia:Your first article, if you haven't already. See also WP:So you made a userspace draft. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Wordworkin, you haven't submitted User:Wordworkin/sandbox as a candidate for an article, but as I look at it I have trouble imagining that Herd House will be shown to be notable (as notability is understood in Wikipedia). Without the demonstrated notability of its subject, a draft won't be accepted. Addition of photographs or other images will do nothing toward making Herd House seem more notable. You'd better work on the text and the references. If the draft is ever accepted, you'll then be able to add photographs (as long as you own their copyright). -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Spelling errors: how does one quickly, efficiently correct them?

I'm new and I'm a linguist and careful speller - in UK and US English (I see various articles use one or the other - a mix). However, the modest contribution I can offer is - for the time being - limited to pointing to spelling errors, or at least spellings that strike me as erroneous. For instance, on the page The Birth of a Nation, there is an illustration of a battle scene from the film in question, describing the action as "leaded" by a certain historical character. This struck me as odd, as "leaded" is a description of a process for enhancing fuel combustibility and not used in relation to the verb "to lead" (i.e. take a lead, form the leadership of), whose past participle is generally taken to be "led". Is there is simple path to correcting such errors, since the learning curve that appears to be needed to make even that small contribution strikes me as "steeped", if you'll pardon the irony? Jeepvee (talk) 02:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Just make them, and note in the edit comment that you are correct a spelling issue. Note that changing an article from one English variety to another is not allowed, though if the article has a mix and you are trying to adjust it to one or the other, announcing that on the talk page before you start can be helpful. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

hi @Jeepvee and welcome to the teahouse! Be bold and don't worry if you make a mistake! it's very simple to undo these mistakes by yourself or others, and we give a bit of space and time for new editors to understand and get accustomed to the many policies we have since it shouldn't really be expected one would be able to read and understand them, so if one ever makes a mistake, we'd rather help them understand what they're doing wrong and how they can make it right. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:41, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Merci! No, it would indeed be disingenuous to alter articles from one spelling convention to another simply for convention's sake. However, one does sometimes need to keep the dictionary to hand for more esoteric usages of language which remain confined to a particular region of the globe. In such cases, I might advocate in the case of, say, a reference to a "trunk" to add as a note: "(UK-EN: "boot")" (i.e. of a motor car) where confusion might otherwise reign. I shall boldly go where many have gone before ... Jeepvee (talk) 03:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

If you mean on a technical level, just hit "edit source" on the section the typo is in, fix it, preview/see changes to confirm you didn't make any inadvertent changes, type up an edit summary, and hit publish. You may also find the Wikipedia:Typo Team project a good read for guidelines about terms of which sorts of typos should be corrected (or not), their thoughts on ENGVAR, how to find typoes, and suggestions for edit summaries. Hope to see you around. Skynxnex (talk) 02:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your guidance! Which of "typos" and "typoes" is correct I shall leave to one side for the moment :-) Jeepvee (talk) 02:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Jeepvee, on Wikipedia, we spell it "typos", from what I have seen. If there is a commonly-misspelled word, feel free to use the Search box on any page here to find pages with that particular "word". Also, when other editors misspell or typo anything on a discussion page, avoid correcting it at all costs! It's against the rules, for a variety of reasons. The Typo Team may have other tips and tricks up their sleeve.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hence the ":-)" Jeepvee (talk) 04:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

For the record, I understood @Jeepvee's intent (and I was inconsistent in my spelling) but I think @Quisqualis's advice is useful going forward, even if it's tempting during meta-discussions. :) (Apologies if excessive pings.) Skynxnex (talk) 05:13, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Jeepvee The same way you search for things on any website on the internet by pressing and holding CTRL then pressing F

It usually brings up the Wikipedia search box automatically although it's not working for me tonight for some reason (so it might depend on what browser or computer you're using).

However you can get to the search box manually by pressing the three horizontal lines button (which is to the left of the pencil edit button), then pressing find and replace button, then type the word you want to replace in the top box, and then type the word that you want to replace it with in the bottom box, then press Done. Danstarr69 (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

You can also take a look at WP:COPYEDIT for advice on simple copy editing (which includes correcting things like spelling, grammar, and punctuation). Check out the Guild of Copy Editors as well, since there is no shortage of this kind of work! WPscatter ^t/_c 04:37, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

what is basketball

? 173.217.199.21 (talk) 03:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1169. Does the basketball article help? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

i need help with making an article

greetings, i am tsu! truly impressive, isn't it? i'm new to the whole editing gig, and i only signed up to make an article of smth, have any tips? Tsuthehottest! (talk) 05:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I recommend you do some minor edits first (e.g., copyedit and referencing) before you make your first article. Make sure the topic follows notability guidelines. ██ Dentsinhere43 is a new Wikipedian. 06:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

tysm!!! Tsuthehottest! (talk) 06:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome! Creating a new article is a tall order, and you will have better luck if you get a feel for the encyclopedia by editing existing articles first. A guide on creating your first article is available and very helpful, but it too recommends you don't jump straight to creating an article before contributing to the wiki in other ways. WPscatter ^t/_c 06:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

alright, i'll start by editing other pages, but i kinda need help with putting in numbers like [1] Tsuthehottest! (talk) 06:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

oh btw, tysm!! Tsuthehottest! (talk) 06:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Those numbers are citations, and here is a guide on using them. Make sure your sources are reliable. WPscatter ^t/_c 06:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

ty!!!! Tsuthehottest! (talk) 06:18, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Source

How to identified independent Sources can you please explain in simple words Jisshu (talk) 09:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

For information about independent sources, try reading WP:Independent sources. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Jisshu (ec) Independent sources are those that are not connected to the subject in any way, and where the source chose on their own to write about the topic, without prompting by the topic. This would not include things like an interview, the subject's social media, or anywhere where the subject is speaking about themselves or just announcing what they do. There are times when such sources can be used, but never to establish notability. I would highly suggest that you use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

edits not useful?

Why are my edits not useful? the information on the wikipedia page is very out of date and I am trying to update it with more relevant information. Harriseen (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Harriseen Welcome to the Teahouse. Your only major edit from your account was this one, which removed large chunks of information and references. It was reverted but if you think it was made correctly you need to discuss this on Talk:Net 1 UEPS Technologies as part of our standard WP:BRD process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Minor edits

How to know if an edit is minor or not? Are talk page and user page edits considered minor, and should I provide an edit summary for these edits (these referring to talk page and user page edits)? Quantum XYZ (chat) 15:16, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Quantum XYZ and welcome to the Teahouse! WP:MINOR provides the following rule of thumb: ‘edits consisting solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of the content should be flagged as minor edits.’ The same goes for user and talk pages— it all depends on the content of the edit. Adding a new comment on a talk page wouldn’t be minor, but adding a punctuation mark would be. When in doubt, I wouldn’t mark it as minor. As for edit summaries, you’re not required to use them, but it’s considered good practice. ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 17:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate: Thanks for your help! Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol/Reviewer

To become an NPP/NPR, an editor would need experience in reviewing new pages, which is what NPPs/NPRs do. How can I gain this experience without being one in the 1st place? Quantum XYZ (chat) 15:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Quantum XYZ Having general experience in the core principles of WP:V, WP:NPOV and recognising WP:RS are the main things you would require. Then head over to WP:NPP to find out how to apply. Given that you have only been editing from your account for a couple of months and that the NPP is, surprisingly, not heavily backlogged now, I suggest you spend your efforts elsewhere for the moment. You need 500+ mainspace edits before you can join their school. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks for your help! Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

How to delete draft

Draft Jisshu (talk) 12:27, 7 November 2022 (UTC) How to proposed a Draft to be deleted

@Jisshu: If you are referring to Draft:MC STAN, which you put a PROD, you might want to use {{Db-g7}} since it is mostly your work. – robertsky (talk) 12:32, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Suicide

If a user on wikipedia mentions very serious topics like threats of suicide or self harm (or are telling that they're gonna kill themselves) , what is generally the first step should you take? Wikipedian10282 (talk) 12:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Responding to threats of harm. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Wikipedian10282 (talk) 12:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate article

I was trying to make some minor changes to Wikipedia articles that needed them, just to contribute to Wikipedia. I came across George Appert, and it's a pretty empty page. I did some researching to find out more about this person, when I found a second page, Georges Appert, a biography about seemingly the same person. An external source on the page of George Appert proved this. Can I merge the two articles or delete one of them? DesolatedMelancholist (talk) 12:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @DesolatedMelancholist: Welcome to the teahouse! In this case, I believe a redirect would work if no one else has the same name and has an article. The course of action to take would be: 1. find the more correct name (Georges or George), 2. merge the other article into the correct name, and 3. make the other article a redirect to the correct name. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The articles appear to be about different people. They just happen to have the same birth years. I think more research is needed. Esolo5002 (talk) 14:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah. When I looked at the pages someone erroneously added "painter" to Georges Appert. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I checked translations of George Appert and it has a Russian translation stating he wrote the book Ancient Japan which Japanologist Georges Appert also wrote. DesolatedMelancholist (talk) 15:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

This does seem to be a case of "more research needed" - checking what the sources in each article say and evaluating their reliability would be a start (other language versions of Wikipedia are not reliable sources). It's possible that the dates in one or both articles are incorrect; the similar names may have led to confusion elsewhere. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

BLP dates related policies and guidelines?

Are there any help/ policy/ guideline / essay articles or previous discussions regarding dates mentioned in BLP articles such as Birth / marriage / death dates.

Question came to my mind after reading of synopsis of this linked dispute , any ways I wish to have more general answer for referring to policies in other BLP articles too for my own knowledge too.

Bookku (talk) 13:34, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I have looke at the policies and guidelines of WP but found nothing of the sort. Maybe there is something, but i just didn't find it, sorry. MrYellowWatermelon (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

For the linked dispute, Iskandar323 is right, a source from 2011 can't be used to make claims about the present. For the presumed death of Rajavi in 2016, I think we should wait for the confirmation, as the death of someone is important. MrYellowWatermelon (talk) 16:26, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Term for too much written about an insignificant thing?

Hello, I could swear there was a policy/guidance about writing excessively about something insignificant within an article, but I can’t remember the name. What is the name for this? Asperthrow (talk) 10:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe WP:TRIVIA. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia:Due weight. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 11:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

And if you mean putting in an article on topic A lots of text about a barely related B, then possibly you think about a WP:COATRACK...? --CiaPan (talk) 12:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The word "cruft" is sometimes used for this, as in WP:FANCRUFT or WP:GAMECRUFT. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I (propose to) start an Entry - "Westcoast Black Theater"

A friend of mine went to the "Westcoast Black Theater," which is mentioned in Sarasota, Florida but is without a Wikipedia entry. I would like to get develop an article for submission so I started to write down some thoughts here; User:Flibbertigibbets/sandbox#Westcoast Black Theater Troupe I was hoping to be pointed in the right direction, get some input about the draft, and get the entry started. I am trying to "hit" quite a bit above my weight class so any help or suggestions (or even constructive criticism) would be much appreciated. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 02:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Figured out how to create a draft page - "I am trying to "hit" quite a bit above my weight class so any help or suggestions (or even constructive criticism) would be much appreciated."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Westcoast_Black_Theatre_Troupe Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Flibbertigibbets, Wikipedia has little or no interest in the "mission" of the subject of an article, or in what the subject has a "commitment" towards, unless either has been discussed by reliable sources. Reliability requires (among other things) independence from the subject. What have reliable sources said about WBTT? Summarize, of course specifying your sources. -- Hoary (talk) 03:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks.. I will address that issue; the primary source issue, and the copyright issue. I guess that it would be easy to fall into "researching" Flibbertigibbets (talk) 04:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You need clarify what the subject of the draft is. At present, some of it is about Jacobs, some is about a troupe (a bunch of people who put on plays, right? Is any of them notable, in Wikipedia's sense?), and some is about an organization with a board. And you say above that your friend went there – so maybe it's an actual theater, a playhouse? Maproom (talk) 08:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

That is a really good point. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 12:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Flibbertigibbets This source [15] may be useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see you had that in the draft. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help! and Thanks for All the Fish! (<-that is a joke, could not resist!)

https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Draft:Westcoast_Black_Theatre_Troupe&url=

Draft:Westcoast Black Theatre Troupe Flibbertigibbets (talk) 16:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

help

can someone please help me figure out how to use the Yi syllable Wu (Yi iteration mark) in my signiture? go to unicode and scroll to "Anomalies" to see it. also maybe help with the U+2118 and the U+FE18 ones Allaoii ^talk 18:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

How to see in linked pages if the link goes to a heading?

For redirects, it says redirect to page#heading but for links in pages, it doesn't show. is it possible to show? because on List of north–south roads in Toronto - Wikipedia, there a numerous page that i created a redirect for just a bit ago. I found numerous pages that rather than linking to the redirect(Because i just made them), linked to say List of north–south roads in Toronto#main street rather than main street (toronto), which i just made. In the event main street (toronto) becomes a standalone page, some pages would just go to the undetailed version on the list. i want to find them and change them before this could ever happen. Humulator (talk) 18:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, are you asking if there is a way to see links to a specific page heading, as you can see links to a page by clicking "What links here"? In any case, the preemptive editing you wish to do seems unnecessary; in the event that Main Street (Toronto) does become its own article, then the section on List of north-south roads in Toronto would get a hatnote that looks like this:

Main article: Main Street (Toronto)

And anyone following a link to the page heading would be able to get there easily. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, what you said is what i am asking, i understand it may be unnecessary, but I still would like to see if its possible. it may be useful for other reasons and many times i wanted to see it out of curiosity. Humulator (talk) 18:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If there is a way, I don't know how. I just checked the links for Foul (basketball); Coach's challenge has a link to Foul (basketball)#Coach's challenge, but the link from Coach's challenge is lumped together with the rest of them. Narrowing the search by heading didn't remove the other links either. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

welp, there's is almost certainly a way, probably with 3rd party things, but thanks for trying. Humulator (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Copied Text

Hi! I'm quite new to editing and have done well so far, and I am planning to write some additional information on a specific wikipedia article. Before I start however, I was wondering - if I copied the exact text from a different website to add to an article (and obviously gave citations for it), would that put me in trouble regarding copyright? Or do I have to slightly modify the original text before adding it in and publishing? Any help would be appreciated, thanks! Wikipedian10282 (talk) 19:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Per WP:PARAPHRASE: "Editors should generally summarize source material in their own words." Indeed copying large amounts of material from sources, even if they are cited, can be a copyright or plagiarism issue. Don't think of it as "slightly modifying" the original text, or aiming for a threshold at which there is no copyright issue; instead, you should aim to convey the information the source provides in an encyclopedic tone. Sometimes the appropriate wording is very similar, and sometimes it's very different. However, red flags should be going off if you're copying several lines of text verbatim from a single source. WPscatter ^t/_c 19:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, that clears up everything! Wikipedian10282 (talk) 19:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Please help me improve an article?

Good day,

I hope you’re well? An article I created Draft:Neo Rapetsoa was recently moved to draft space. The editors reasons were that 1. There is a conflict of interest and 2. The subject is not notable?

The article has been reviewed before and the editor(s) said that the sources were good enough and that the article was well written.

Could someone pls help me navigate what to do to get the article published?

Thank you Alien Superstar (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Previous discussion: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1164#I need assistance with an article?. From what I can see, Draft:Neo Rapetsoa was moved to mainspace thrice, each time by Alien Superstar, and into draft by MrsSnoozyTurtle and Onel5969. @Alien Superstar:, do you have a conflict of interest or paid edits relationship either of which would need to be disclosed? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 17:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I was asked by the actress’s media team to create a page for her. Is there a way that I can declare this on the article? Alien Superstar (talk) 17:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Alien Superstar, please review WP:COI. You can place a declaration on your user page, which is easiest for everyone to see; there are also templates which can be used on the talk page of the draft/article. Others can place the latter for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Alien Superstar Please clarify "I was asked by the actress’s media team". Why would they do this? Are you being compensated for doing so or just helping out? Compensation would trigger the required paid editing disclosure. Note that Wikipedia has articles, not pages. This may aid your mindset. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@331dot thank you for your kind message and also noted about the correct Wikipedia jargon! Editor @199.208.172.35 has already explained how I can disclose that I was paid by the client to write the article for her. Alien Superstar (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this! Alien Superstar (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

If you click the words "paid editing disclosure" in my post above, it will take you to the policy which provides instructions on how to disclose. If you find the coding too challenging, you may simply write a statement on your user page (User:Alien Superstar) to the effect of "I, Alien Superstar, have been paid by (who is paying you) on behalf of (who you are editing for, if different) for my contributions to Wikipedia". 331dot (talk) 19:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Please help me improve an article?

I hope you’re well? An article I created Draft:Neo Rapetsoa was recently moved to draft space. The editors reasons were that 1. There is a conflict of interest and 2. The subject is not notable?Wikipedia:Conflict of interest Mr DC London (talk) 18:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you Alien Superstar, or are you just repeating the question above? Sarrail (talk) 18:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

@Sarrail I am just repeating the question as part of the training, thankyou Mr DC London (talk) 20:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean as "part of the training"? Are you being paid to edit Wikipedia and do you work with Alien Superstar at all? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Mr DC London, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? You've never edited the draft you mentioned. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I am just going through the wikipedia adventure programme, thankyou. Mr DC London (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm confused. TWA should not be asking you to repeat a question someone else asked on the Teahouse. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Sherry Sherrod DuPree entry send in over 12 months ago

Topics: African American Holiness Pentecostism; DuPree Pentecostal collections; Rosewood Massacre; Civil Rights; Atrocities Amil1825 (talk) 20:06, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide context; as it is this is a collection of unrelated words. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Amil1825, welcome to the Teahouse. There seem to be no other edits from this account. If a draft was created over 12 months ago and subsequently not edited for a six month period, it would have been automatically deleted. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

It sounds as if you are asking about what has happened to a Draft or an attempt at an article. We have an article Rosewood Massacre, but I can't find anything about the other terms. If you are asking about a draft or an attempt at an article, you need to tell us the precise name of the draft or article. ColinFine (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Per Leth-Nissen

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Per Leth-Nissen

Hi,

The above mentioned article got dismissed.

I have two questions that I hope you can help med with.

1. How do I cite all the music records, that I have produced or engineered, when Discogs.com is unacceptable?
2. Another wiki user (an internationally famous author) wrote the text to the article about me - and that what's I have published. I am totally new to writing articles on wiki - so where do we go from here? Edit the text og letting him upload the article or?

Really hope that you can help me.

Kindest

Per SHAPEYourFuture (talk) 09:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello SHAPEYourFuture! To aid question 1, there's a list of recommended sources for music related Wikipedia articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. Hope that is of some help to you! Take care, LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 10:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SHAPEYourFuture, ahd welcome to the Teahouse. One thing to realise is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Another is that An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Please also have a look at why writing about yourself is so strongly discouraged.

My suggestion would be that you drop this draft, and work on other existing articles that interest you. On the other hand, if your only purpose in editing Wikipedia is to write an article about yourself, then I suggest you find another outlet that accepts promotion: Wikipedia does not. ColinFine (talk) 12:26, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

allmusic.com is acceptable per Wiki policy Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources. Do you have credits there? If not, I suggest you request them to add your credits and then try. Downinit9 (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Allmusic doesn't establish notability, though. It provides indiscriminate listings that are largely generated by the record labels themselves. MrOllie (talk) 21:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Please help me

How can you make a template visible without the code showing up? SAWAKI IZ KOOL (talk) 02:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@SAWAKI IZ KOOL: You use another template called {{template link}} which will link to the template while still keeping the curvy brackets. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)