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This is an archive of discussions from July 29 to October 30, 2007 shown below:

"Possibly living people" category

I've noticed you're using what strikes me as a misapplication of the Possibly living people category. It looks as if you're using "Possibly..." when you're uncertain as to current status; while that's a reasonable interpretation from just the names of the categories, the Wikipedia rule-of-thumb is different. If you'll look at the fist page of the Living people category, you'll see this guidance:

As per conditions set out in Category:Births of the last 123 years, each individual born after 1884 (if year of birth is absent, earliest period of activity should be extrapolated), whose year of death remains undetermined, should appear in this category. Individuals of advanced age (over 90) for whom no documentation has existed for a reasonable number of years, may be removed from this category and transferred to Category:Possibly living people.

While this may seem odd at first glance, it's a direct consequence of WP:BLP; Wikipedia must treat biographies of living people specially, for many reasons most especially legal ones, and it's therefore policy to assume "living", except when clearly impossible or there's a reasonable source for the death. In other words, you should generally be using the "Living people" category a lot more and the "Possibly living people category" a lot less. Studerby 09:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Random Smile!

WarthogDemon has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

-WarthogDemon 02:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Quality Certification

I saw that you are a Quality Engineer. Have you by chance taken any of American Society for Quality certification exams (CQA, CQM, CQE, etc.)? I ask this because I am planning on taking the CQA on December 1 of this year. Please advise. Chris 20:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I've never had the time to prep for them. Good Luck! Burzmali 20:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
If you need a comparison, I took the online sample exam from ASQ and scored a 68%, shooting from the hip. Burzmali 21:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Alpine Ski Championships

Any chance you could fill in the articles from 1931 to 1948 for the FIS Alpine World Ski Championships? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 20:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania in Atlanta!

Hi! I noticed your involvement on U.S. South-related articles, categories and WikiProjects, and I wanted to let you know about a bid we're formulating to get next year's Wikimania held in Atlanta! If you would like to help, be sure to sign your name to the "In Atlanta" section of the Southeast team portion of the bid if you're in town, or to the "Outside Atlanta" section if you still want to help but don't live in the city or the suburbs. If you would like to contribute more, please write on my talk page, the talk page of the bid, or join us at the #wikimania-atlanta IRC chat on freenode.org. Have a great day!

P.S. While this is a template for maximum efficiency, I would appreciate a note on my talk page so I know you got the message, and what you think. This is time-sensitive, so your urgent cooperation is appreciated. :) Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 09:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

That's wonderful you can still help. Don't worry about not being able to attend meetings on IRC, if you can come on IRC at all any time is fine. Sign your name to the bid on meta under "Southeast team" and indicate what you said on my talk page as to what you want to do. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 19:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Canadian athletes

The category was deleted because it was so overused (the fact that some people use "athletes" to mean anybody involved in any sport, when it was supposed to refer only to athletics); instead, we now use more specific categories such as Category:Canadian biathletes, Category:Canadian track and field athletes, Category:Canadian triathletes, etc. Check the subcategories at Category:Canadian sportspeople to see if one of those is suitable. Bearcat 21:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania Atlanta

Hello, Thank you for volunteering to be a part of the Atlanta Wikimaina bid southeast team. We are holding meetings weekdays at 7:30pm EDT in #wikimania-atlanta on irc.freenode.org. For more information about IRC see m:Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta/IRC. If you are able to make it, that would be great.

We now also have Google group for coordinating this bid. To get updates on the bid and our progress, please join the Google Groups mailing list at Google Groups wikimania-atlanta.

There is also a group on the social networking site Facebook in which interested parties can express their support for the bid.

If you do not wish to continue to receive these notifications about the bid or would rather they go to a talk page on a different project please change m: Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta/Notify_list--Cspurrier 21:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

gilarduzzi medalists

ok, i looked at the references and i agree. sorry about that, it was just an honest mistake Stewy5714 18:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of James Crall

A tag has been placed on James Crall, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD a7.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. – Mike.lifeguard | talk 21:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

Updated DYK query On 18 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alexandru Papana, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3 talk 22:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for your help

No trouble at all, I just did a tiny bit of polishing on your interesting article. Cheers, Espresso Addict 00:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

A great policy! It's always much easier to insert inline citations from the creation of the article, when you have the references in front of you, and it does make it a lot easier for others to edit it later. Cheers, Espresso Addict 01:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikimaina Atlanta meeting

We will be holding a meeting tonight at 9:30pm EDT in #wikimania-atlanta on irc.freenode.org. For more information about IRC see m:Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta/IRC. Please try to be at this meeting as it is one of the last ones before bidding ends and we still have lots that need to be discussed. --Cspurrier 19:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Reversion

On User talk:Bobo192, Miller17CU94 said:
Thanks for the revert on the Food science article. I really appreciate it.


Absolutely no worry. A link I commonly searched for appeared on the page (a link to the page Link title) and all it took was a one-click revert. It's when these vandals get worryingly persistent that it starts being problematic, but it seems that this user gave up immediately afterwards. All the best. Bobo. 13:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Bill Monroe

look at this]. Maybe it's useful. 91.96.193.215 14:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

Please e-mail me or IM me immediately. You said you would be able to help as far as publicity, and we have a press release that needs to get on the air. My e-mail address is on http://www.wikimania-atlanta.org, and my IM is on my user page. Please contact me anytime. I am up all night so don't be afraid of contacting too late. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 03:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Underwood

Chris, I do have what I think count as references for two of the three things in the Popular Culture section I put in. Honeslty I don't take very kindly to your threat to delete my addition -- please call it what it is, "revert" is avoiding the issue. I link to the Poisonwood Bible page, I don't know why you say you don't know what it is when you can follow the link! That is so unbelievable I can only think your browser was in the process of crashing and wasn't showing all the links. I cite the Simpsons episode and the book, but I was only channel surfing a few years ago when I skipped across the Oblongs episode, so I don't have a episode citation, but I saw it. Here I am, an expert on a subject, trying to add to Wikipedia, and my additions are threatened with deletion. That is not the way Wikipedia is supposed to work. If you go and read The Poisonwood Bible, you'll first see deviled ham mentioned on page 13. Just because you don't know what something is doesn't mean you get to delete it. Follow the link next time. Yes, I'm angry about what you said, because it is not the way Wikipedia should work: I did what Wikipedia asks, and your response is to say you're going to delete it. Not cool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.151.216 (talk) 15:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Michelle Kelly

Such people are considered notable: amateur athletes who compete at the highest level of their sport are covered under Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria. Kindly remind any admin who deletes such pages you create of this criterion. - CobaltBlueTony 14:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Sources

My info comes from a various places from the internet (like SSDI, Ancestry.com etc.). I have also various Olympic related books. I have gathered this data for years. Now what info do you need specifically? Gh 19:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Many of my sources doesn't have direct links or are from restricted places. I have tahen screenshost though, but I don't want to put them up publicly to my webspace. Gh 19:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll gladly share my sources, and have done this privately before. I have added a referece to Nion Tocker page. I hope this link works, because this should be free, but many databases from ancestry.com aren't. I'll add databaseolympics reference too. Gh 20:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Did the link work? If it works, then I can add more from the same database. Just in case, here's the screenshot [1]. Gh 20:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Too bad that the link doesn't work. Anyway I have a lot of this kind of screenshots. And yes, I'm from Estonia. Gh 20:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually I don't want them to be screenshots, but I guess there isn't other way. I would like to link directly to them. Anyway, even though I have participated in Wikipedia over 4 years, I'm not very familiar with it, because there has been long gaps, when I haven't been very active. I have become active again in the past couple of month after a long hiatus, because one member has encouraged me to do so. So actually I don't know what this community is. I have been taking those screenshots, so I could send them to ISOH in some day, when I get them nicely organized.
Actually Estonia isn't very beautiful right know. A lot of mud and it's rainig every day. We are waiting the snow to come. It should be here within a month or so. Gh 20:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

As a fellow Clemson alumni, I'm asking you to review these sections and edit

Thanks. Go Tigers! --Robapalooza 23:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Steven Holcomb

That article looks really good. It seems like the previous version read a bit like a magazine profile. Thank you for working on it. Would you mind if I added a couple of inline citations? For some reason, I like filling in the cite templates! --Kateshortforbob 15:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added some cite templates, if you want to have a look. --Kateshortforbob 08:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Thomas M. Jacobs

A tag has been placed on Thomas M. Jacobs, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD A7.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. Cruftbane 21:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Thomas M. Jacobs

Thomas M. Jacobs, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Thomas M. Jacobs satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas M. Jacobs and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Thomas M. Jacobs during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Cruftbane 06:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message Chris, I've commented on the above AFD. The nominator has not searched for "Tom Jacobs" by which this individual is much better known as a New York skiing pioneer. There's a few New York Times references if you'd like to take a look and add them. --Canley 08:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
And more to the point, has anyone put information into the article that actually establishes notability? Cruftbane 11:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Comments on Siusi all Sciliar

Sorry, I didn't notice the other occurrences of the name in that article (unlike I usually do).--Supparluca 08:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing

Please do not canvass for support in deletion debates, it is strongly discouraged. What is encouraged, and very strongly so, is adding all the reasons why the subject is notable into the article. They are useless in a deletion debate, because Wikipedia is first, last and all places in between about the encyclopaedia. Please do expand the article beyond "came 66th in the Olympics once", which really is not anythign like a claim to notability. Thank you. Cruftbane 11:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Those messages were about support for improving the article, not canvassing support, which I would have thought was obvious considering they were written over nine hours before you nominated the article for deletion and created the debate page. Assume good faith, please. I have, by the way, added several references to the article as you have requested. --Canley 12:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
(from my talk) When i create an article like the one for Thomas M. Jacobs, i go on the best inforamtion that i have available when I do the article. Wikipedia is a project used for building information so that others may read. If someone else has a piece of information on a particular subject that i have edited, they will add it and vice versa. I realize that you dislike cruft, but remember just because you don't like a specific article does not make it cruft. Please think about that and please read the rules of other projects before you decide to nominate anything for delete. Chris 20:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
You created an article which asserted non-notability. The effect of your requests to other users was to garner Keep opinions on an AfD, but not to improve the article. Following some questions on the AfD I am pleased to see that the article has now been expanded and now makes claims of notability. It would have been good to do that in the first place, rather than assert that merely being an also-ran in one Olympic Games is sufficient. It isn't. A sourced article establishing notability, or no article at all. Either is fine by me. Cruftbane 20:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


Example of the rule

Please have a look of Nataša Kejžar, whose 31st birthday is today. Do you think she is notable? Do you think that article should be deleted? She competed in one Summer Olympics. I am not changing the subject on this. I am just seeing where you stand on cruft and how far do you want to take this? Chris 20:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

She appears to be the originator of the Social-circles network model, which has several independent references, and that appears to be her principal claim of notability (and a credible one on the face of it, albeit I have not studied it to see). An excellent example, in fact, in that it actually takes the trouble to establish why we should have an article. Cruftbane 20:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

CSD reform

I would agree that a statement that an athlete competed in the Olymics is an assertion of notability as defined by CSD A7. I actually beleive that a claim such as "John holds the Kansas high school tobagan record." is a sufficient assertion of notability, although I would expect that such an article would be deleted through one of the other processes. A7 was created in order to quickly and easily deal with articles such as "Bob is a student at Boring High School. He rocks." (Articles like this used to actually have to go to AfD.) Sadly, as the project has grown many editors and admins have tried to push the boundaries of A7 as far as possible. There seems to be a feeling on the part of some that the assertion of notability must be of a caliber to pass the various notability guidelines, or that it must be sourced, which was not the intent of A7. If it had been presented on this basis, it would never have gained consensus. However, removing A7 is no longer a current possibility. When I work on the candidates for sppedy deletion backlog, I delete at least five times as many articles as I remove the tags on.

As far as the other deletion processes go, I'm not terribly interested in sports, but it seems to me that anyone who has competed in any organized sport at an international level should meet the current notability standards, so of course, all of the Olympic athletes could and should have articles.

All of that said is that given the current situation, all that can be done is to protect the articles. If you are not the creator of an article, you may remove a speedy notice, so long as the article has a claim of notability. If it is nominated for PROD, if you are not the creator, you may remove that notice as well. If the article goes to AfD, and it is on an Olympic athlete, I am sure that it will result in a keep vote. Be sure to reference the apropriate notability guideline in your comments. If the article is speedied before you notice, you can bring it up with the deleting admin to see if they are willing to reconsider. If not, you can take it to Deletion Review, where it has been my experiewnce that an article with a genuine assertiion of notability has a good chance of being restored. If the a PROD expires and the article is deleted before you have a chance to remove the tag, you can contest the PROD after deletion ar deletion review and the article will be restored, but probally be sent to AfD. I think that in the long run, all articles on Olympic athletes and other top-tier amateurs will be kept, but it might be a bit messy. If I can be of any help, please drop me a note, although I can be somewhat sporadic in my participation her. Dsmdgold 00:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania 2008/Conference of the Americas

Hello, As you may or may not know, Alexandria, Egypt was selected to host Wikimania 2008 [2]. So as to prevent the hard work of the many Wikimedians involved in the Atlanta bid from going to waste, we have decided to host a conference for the Americas. This is in no way an attempt to compete with Wikimania or make a statement against Wikimania.

As one of the people signed up to help with the Wikimania Atlanta bid, we hope you will join us at the Wikimedia Conference of the Americas. We will be having a meeting tonight in IRC tonight (Oct 15) at 9:30PM in #cota-atlanta on irc.freenode.org to discuss the conference. For more information about IRC see [3].

For more information about the Wikimedia Conference of the Americas see http://www.cota-atlanta.org and our wiki http://www.cota-atlanta.org/wiki.

If you do not wish to receive further notices about the COTA please remove your name from our notify list. --Cspurrier 18:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV reporting

You recently reported User:216.51.233.200 for vandalism on WP:AIV. However they had not edited in over 12 hours since your warning. Blocks are preventative, not punitive. Blocking an inactive user who has not edited since receiving a warning would be considered a punitive block. Also, it is generally preferred (but by no means required) that a user receive a "final warning" (like this) and vandalize after that before being blocked. Hope this clears some things up. Keep up the good work. Mr.Z-man 15:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Manami Hino

Thanks for adding that info. Last time I tried to create that page, it got deleted for bogus reasons. Now it looks more solid. I'm going to try to ask her for a good pic too. Are you a fan? Yaki-gaijin 06:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


Tom Jacobs, again

You are welcome, although I don't think that the article was ever seriously in danger. You seem to have run across some editors, who, quite frankly, simply do not understand the notability guidelines. Keep up the good work. Dsmdgold 14:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


Category:Olympic ice hockey players for Switzerland has been superseded

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San Diego

Yeah, I'm doing fine. I'm surrounded by fires on most sides, but it is all multiple miles away. I live in a dorm on campus, and it is extremely unlikely that the fires will ever head this direction. I've had my college classes cancelled, so I've been volunteering for several hours each day at Qualcomm Stadium. I've been taking pictures too of the evacuation area, so I'll be uploading them when I get the chance. Thanks for your consideration, I really appreciate it. --Nehrams2020 23:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I did see the medical area a couple of times to help drop off donated supplies that I unloaded from vans, but I didn't catch the names of any of the workers. I hope that she is okay as well, I've already had a few friends' families have to evacuate their homes but none have been damaged so far. --Nehrams2020 01:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK October 29

Updated DYK query On 29 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bonny Warner, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Andrew c [talk] 22:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Cathy Turner and my userpage

Thanks for the help! It's funny that we submitted Cathy Turner and Bonny Warner to DYK on the same day. NawlinWiki 02:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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