User talk:Cordless Larry/Archive 12

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Just a general thank-you

Dear CordlessLarry, I just wanted to thank you for all the awesome help you gave me with my article about Waddington. You are a very patient person and have made my experience awesome. I will continue to improve my first article, which just got approved and to contribute to film and music pages-- my biggest passions. Altough I am not sure if I will create a page from scratch again as it required as much work as my day job hehe.

Please ask for my help whenever needed.

Kindly,

MarthaDaisyMarthaDaisy (talk) 04:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, MarthaDaisy. Creating a new article from scratch is certainly one of the hardest tasks you can undertake on Wikipedia - particularly when there isn't a lot of source material to work with. Well done on having the article accepted. I will take a look and see if there is anything I can contribute. Happy editing! Cordless Larry (talk) 06:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, dear CordlessLarry. I did want to ask a new tiny question you may be able to help me with-- after 24+ hours, the article is not indexing in Google :o I tried every possible combo of 'Alice Waddington wikipedia english' or 'Alice Waddington wikipedia page'. I read somewhere that you can actually write an 'INDEX' command on the page to get it picked up by Google, could something contrary to that (NOINDEX) be on the code of this page? I was not able to find out.

I also saw something like that there was a possibility of submitting the page for review for indexing, could I be wrong or am I missing any steps?

I have limited Internet this week as I am in a very rural area and have to run away from my kids to write to you lol if this change about something simple that you would know how to do I would be eternally thankful if you could help me at all

Have a blessed holiday if you celebrate it,

MarthaDaisy MarthaDaisy (talk) 10:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I suspect that this is indeed because the article hasn't yet been patrolled, MarthaDaisy (see Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing and Wikipedia:New pages patrol). I'll take a look now, though we're not in control of when Google picks stuff up, even when the NOINDEX template is removed. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, Larry! Just milking my five minutes of internet today, lol. I checked again using my phone but can tell the page is still not indexed in Wikipedia. Could I please ask you to submit it for patrolling? I have no idea about how to do it-- at all!

Thank you ever so much,

MarthaDaisy MarthaDaisy (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I patrolled it when I said I would, MarthaDaisy - see the log. Do you mean not indexed by Google? If so, please see my comments above about us not being in control of when Google picks new stuff up. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Larry! Luckily the indexing thingy got solved quick and basically on its own, thank you so much as always. I added one showcase I had forgotten in the list and suddenly my article got a (I think it is called) tag saying "This section contains embedded lists that may be poorly defined, unverified or indiscriminate. Please help to clean it up to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Where appropriate, incorporate items into the main body of the article. (May 2017)"

How is the list any different than it was before, when it got approved? Shall I remove the showcase I added, would that revert it to its original state? Thank you, Martha.

MarthaDaisy MarthaDaisy (talk) 00:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi MarthaDaisy. Your recent addition isn't the problem in itself, but has perhaps highlighted an existing issue, which has now been flagged. See the discussion of this at Talk:Alice Waddington, and previous comments about extraneous detail at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 601#Feedback about my draft welcome!. If you look at versions of the draft from before it was accepted, such as this, concerns were also expressed about the table then. At the end of the day, the draft review process hinges on the opinion of one reviewer, who didn't see the table as a barrier to publication, but that doesn't mean that the article was considered completely free of problems - the barrier for acceptance is actually quite low. I suggest engaging in discussion about this on the article's talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Why did you propose the article on Jerry Cuomo for deletion?

Hello Cordless Larry,

I am sorry to see that you proposed this Article be deleted. As a maintainer of the article I thought the article had more then ample references and all claims valid. IBM Fellow is a notable position in the IT Industry, and these accomplishments are relevant to the history of the Information Technology Industry. If you opposed a claim, then the claim can be removed or altered. Can the article be undeleted?

Cuomogs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuomogs (talk • contribs) 01:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Cuomogs. You can read my nomination and the subsequent discussion of the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerry Cuomo. It is also worth consulting WP:GOLDENRULE and Wikipedia:Notability (people). If you want a copy of the article to be restored so that you can work on it in order to demonstrate the subject's notability, you'd have to asking the closing administrator, Juliancolton. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:58, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Women's Equality Party

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Speedy deletion

Hello, Please let me know what is wrong with the page I used to create, no worry I can correct it, or take it back if it is violating the rules... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shantanu Kuveskar (talk • contribs) 07:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

What you have written is an advert, Shantanu Kuveskar. If you want to have another go at writing a sourced, neutrally worded article, then I suggest doing so via the article wizard at Wikipedia:Your first article. Also, please do not remove deletion templates (see the template's bold text, "do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself"). Cordless Larry (talk) 07:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Yes I got it, I removed all the material from page, next time I will try to use the article wizard, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shantanu Kuveskar (talk • contribs) 07:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Respond

Well the section deal about English people, no mention about the non-English people who live in England, read the section well before please, It's mention about famous religious figures as saint who came from English background, and about the religions that been practiced among English people historically. I removed Islam since it's a wide religion with presence that practiced among English people; most of Muslims who lives in England are immigrants from South Asia (in particular Bangladesh, Pakistan and India) or descendants of immigrants from that region. And since the article is about English people not about non-English people live in England, It shouldn't be added since it's not a historically practiced religions neither or has distinguished presence.--84.220.135.196 (talk) 13:52, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Please raise this at Talk:English people as I suggested. That's the correct place for this discussion. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:02, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Done see talk page please; Thanks.--84.220.135.196 (talk) 15:54, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Activating a Wikipedia page

Hello, Thebrandlife (talk) 18:39, 21 May 2017 (UTC) I am trying to add a wikipedia page for Crystal Renay Smith which is Neyo's (Shaffer Chimere Smith) wife. This was created about two weeks ago, how do I go about getting it published or making sure it was created correctly? Thebrandlife (talk) 18:39, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Thebrandlife. You created the article on your userpage, which is the wrong location. I have moved it to Draft:Crystal Renay Smith for you. When you are ready to submit it for review, please add the code {{submit}} to the top of the page. First though, you need to reference the article properly, following the guidance at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you have any further questions, please ask them at Wikipedia:Teahouse. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Thebrandlife (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2017 (UTC)Thank you but, to be completely honest I am not quite sure how to get to the draft page, can you guide me. I also had all sources cited under references, do I need to do it again or did it carry over to the draft page?Thebrandlife (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Thebrandlife. You can get to the draft by clicking on the link I provided, or via the "Contributions" link in the top-right of the page when you are logged in. The list of sources has moved with the draft, but that's not how references work on Wikipedia. You're supposed to cite sources in the text, next to the material that they support, and the list at the end is automatically generated by the site's software. At present, it's impossible to tell which source supports which part of the article. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Thebrandlife (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2017 (UTC)Okay, got it, thank youThebrandlife (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Re:Editor Somajeeste canvassing

My apologies for not responding to your post, these recent ransomware attacks have reawakened my paranoid nature and I've made a point to be offline to avoid having to deal with another locked down computer (no less than 3 of my machines have, over the course of their lives, tangled with ransomware). Concerning your post at ANI, I will look into the possibility of a sockfarm here in the next few days. In the mean time, I will draw to your attention that when I closed the original Middayexpress thread with consensus to implement a topic ban I also included in the notices at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions allowing admins to adopt a 1RR policy if they feel that there could be sock accounts editing the articles. You have my word that I will look into this as soon as I am able to, and that I will let you know what turns up. TomStar81 (Talk) 13:07, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, TomStar81, both for offering to take a look into this and the reminder about 1RR. In the meantime, I started Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AcidSnow due to some suspicious activity on the part of Somajeeste. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Flont

May I respectfully suggest you read WP:Why I Hate Speedy Deleters
Nominating Speedy deletion, when honest effort was exerted by a long time editor, is insulting.
CSD overwhelmingly applies to vandalism and nonsense. Nixie9✉ 02:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Nixie9. I'm sorry that you feel insulted. As I can't see the content of Flont, I can't check to see if I might have made a mistake, but I do remember feeling that it met WP:G11 - and administrator Jimfbleak seems to have agreed, as he deleted the article. The article wasn't deleted until three hours after you posted this comment, so did you attempt to fix the issue or contest the deletion? Cordless Larry (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Hello thanks for you opinions; I did removed the data of census data for England; and make less about England and added more details about the other faiths; can you have a look for the new section and let me know if you have objections.--62.10.73.240 (talk) 11:59, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Simon Cohen

Thanks for pointing that out. I had intended to expand on the list as a list, but this way reads better. — Myk Streja (Talk to me) 23:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myk Streja (talk • contribs)

Simon Cohen Speaker and Broadcaster .jpg - up for deletion

Hi Cordless Larry. I just saw on your Wikimedia user talk that you do not check it very often. Could you explain to me why the photo I uploaded is up for deletion please? I own the copyrights to the photo (and the website) and have decided to release the photo according to Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International. Is there something I might have missed here? Thanks! MrSimonCohen (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I've replied at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Simon Cohen Speaker and Broadcaster.jpg. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:25, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:White Helmets (Syrian Civil War)

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Simon Cohen - Privacy of personal information

Hi Cordless Larry and thank you for keeping an eye on the Simon Cohen page. I noticed the page now contains some sensitive information that I think would be best to remove. The link of the first footnote in the infobox is exposing personal addresses - being that Cohen at times has been / is a freelancer - (under 'filing history') as well as in footnote no. 10. I think it would be a good idea to remove these references, as personal addresses should not be linked to through Wikipedia. I would also like to ask you to, if it's possible, remove the name of the city in the section on where Cohen lives. Having worked with him, I know that he has had a history of a very unpleasant experience with a stalker, so protecting his family would be of importance to him. If it's not possible however, I understand. Do let me know, and if I should advice him to take actions himself on this matter. I'm not sure who I should turn to but I believe you might be able to guide me in this. Thank you, I appreciate it! MatildeZ (talk) 15:59, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, MatildeZ. I'd already trimmed that section as I thought it contained too much personal detail, but I agree with you and will take another look. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Cordless Larry, I really appreciate it. MatildeZ (talk) 07:11, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Susan Baker

Hello! Your submission of Susan Baker at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Dave Kavanagh (music executive)

Hi Larry I take your point above conflict of interest but Dave Kavanagh hired me to write up his wiki page for himself and his company as he is unable to do it himself. I've removed anything to do with his company Celtic Collections and I've also updated the reference links I hope this is now satisfactory. Kind Regards, Andrew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Murphy Celtic (talk • contribs) 10:02, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I've replied at User talk:Andrew Murphy Celtic#Managing a conflict of interest, to keep the discussion in one place. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dave Kavanagh (music executive)

A tag has been placed on Dave Kavanagh (music executive) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Legacypac (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Legacypac. This page only exists as a redirect because I moved the article that another editor had created there to draft space. Is there a way for non-administrators to move articles to draft space without leaving redirects? I can't recall a way, but it would be helpful if there was. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:16, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Your move was very correct. You should tag the cross namespace redirect R2 after the move. If you don't have it, get twinkle as it makes tagging very easy. Legacypac (talk) 07:22, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Legacypac - that actually occurred to me as what I should be doing after I wrote my reply above, and indeed I think I have done that in the past. Thanks again. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Tagging of Foundry Row

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Foundry Row. I do not think that Foundry Row fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because Buildings including shopping centers, are out of scope for A7. I request that you consider not re-tagging Foundry Row for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking of it as a business rather than a building, but thanks for the explanation, DESiegel. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Wisdom and knowledge about wikipedia

Dear Larry,

Shalom, good morning

We try to edit some part of wikipedia and update it with reference,

We tried to give some reference and build the reference,

My self is wikipedia contributor and learn more to use it properly, Do you have any suggestion, because I am on mids of editing and havent done but it seems

We know you has great understanding and we want to give the real update with reference, but in the middle of editing cant be saved.

Thank you for your message and lets together build open , right and good wikipedia.

Really appreciate your contribution, and congrats for your Phd, I also still work on it after take my 2nd degree at MBA.

hopefully i can learn more from you as wikipedia contributor.

Shalom and thank you

sincerely yours,

Budi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mik3bm (talk • contribs) 08:26, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Mik3bm. I suggest that you start with Wikipedia:Five pillars. Note that you are discouraged from writing about yourself or your relations by Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If you have any questions, please do ask them at the Teahouse. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear everyone,

lets do good and not evil, we try do good by give and update reference, we also donate to wikipedia foundation and build the good community. please refer to no 5 pilar, lets honor each one another, when people write something and unfinish, please dont erase all and delete all works, What we do is do good and want to update with reference. and honor everyone, the wikipedia foundation, see the finish edit and it will be good. Thank you.

Shortcut: WP:5P5 Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, but they are not carved in stone; their content and interpretation can evolve over time. The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions. Be bold but not reckless in updating articles. And do not agonize over making mistakes: every past version of a page is saved, so mistakes can be easily corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mik3bm (talk • contribs) 09:05, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Donating to the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't give you any extra rights, I'm afraid. Your work hasn't been erased - it's all there in the article history. Wikipedia policies might not be carved in stone, but that doesn't give you permission to use Wikipedia as a means of promoting yourself. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for guide

	World Thropy Science and Wisdom
	Thank you for your advise and wisdom, it really helps. God bless us. BM (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for Teahouse community

Dear larry ,

Thank you for the information of Tea house

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse

will join the community, if possible ask you about how to join the community.

My self do editing wikipedia , until today haven't join with group discussion about wikipedia editing.

It will be great if I can join community.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mik3bm (talk • contribs) 09:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

BM (talk) 09:23, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Thank you , now I try use four tilde (Thanks for your advice). Thank you so much my friend =) God bless us, and the wikipedia also ever invite me to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2016. You also able to join the committee Election. Thank you. Shalom

@Mik3bm: That was 6 months ago. —JJ B^e ^rs 12:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Russo-Georgian War

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Trolls

Advising other good-faith editors that an editor is a troll in a public place like the Teahouse is itself the sort of recognition that trolls are looking for. Please either ignore a troll completely or treat them as if they were a good-faith editor. The Reference Desks have a problem with trolls, but it is complicated by editors who try to control the behavior of other editors, which simply rewards the trolls. Go ahead and report the trolls at WP:SPI or WP:ANI, but telling other editors not to respond is a way of encouraging them. I realize that you are trying to avoid responding to them, but the Reference Desks have shown that talking too much about avoiding the trolls can encourage them. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Good point, Robert McClenon, though I still think it is better to do something to avoid hosts' time being wasted. Would it be best to just delete the question? Looking back at Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse/Archive 11#Sockpuppetry and Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/Archive 14#The "Michael Cole vandal" is back, the consensus seemed to be that we should do that. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. It is best not to delete the question, if the question is inherently a reasonable one, and it is best not to worry about "wasting the time" of the hosts. First, the deletion of the question may be noticed by an editor who saw it before the deletion, and they are likely to ask why, and that recognizes the troll. Answering the question doesn't recognize the troll. Second, if the question is deleted, someone may restore it, and that sort of behavior is what makes the Reference Desks a problem. In this case, it was a question that could have been asked by a reasonable editor, and answering it denies the troll recognition, because it treats them like a regular editor, while deleting it gives the troll the recognition that they want. We can take this to the Teahouse talk page, but I think that experience at the Reference Desks shows that deleting the question is the wrong way to deal with it. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it's best to start a discussion on the Teahouse talk page about this, Robert McClenon. I'll do that now. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Susan Baker

On 21 June 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Susan Baker, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2003, Susan Baker became the first woman to hold a King Carl XVI Gustaf Professorship in Environmental Science? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Susan Baker. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Susan Baker), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C.

You know that if there is grammatical error you can fix the grammar? What is in the article is factually incorrect. The club was formed by boys first, then they got Ripsher involved. Hzh (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I realise that, Hzh, but in this case the grammar was wrong in several places and the meaning of the sentence was unclear as a result, so I didn't know how to correct it and I thought it best to revert to a version that made sense. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

This is work in progress, I normally do the copy-editing later. I'm working on this article because someone else asked me to expand the history section of the main article on Spurs, and I thought I should start here first and fix its various issues. Please leave things as they are, or adjust wordings if find any error, but don't do wholesale revert unless you are certain the edits are factually wrong because this is a major rewriting that will go on for a while. Hzh (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

In that case, can I suggest that you make that clear by using Template:In use, Hzh? For all I knew, you were finished editing the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:05, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Fractal Rainbow

You can read FQXI web link I also attach to the article.

There you have a lot of oppinions about it and also rates from other scientist ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dapifo (talk • contribs) 19:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Please reply at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Fractal Rainbow rather than here, Dapifo, to keep the discussion together. The article has now been deleted as a copyright violation, so I can't check that link. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Corigh violation ???

It is crazy .... you are wrong !!!.... please, do something... i dont't understand how to ddo !

I am new, and is complex to understand.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dapifo (talk • contribs) 20:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not the one who identified it as a copyright violation, Dapifo. Please take this up at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Fractal Rainbow. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Do not redirect Chak Choti Shafi to Chak Shafi

I just read your message and I am replying. Chak Choti Shafi and Chak Shafi are distinctively two different villages. They are three km away and this distance is enough for being two villages in Pakistan. And infact three kilometres different will not be visible on your screen. Therefore, I appeal do not redirect Chak Choti Shafi to Chak Shafi. If you are confused because of name then I shall give the example that North Korea and South Korea are not same country. Like them, these villages are also two distinctively different villages.

Sinner (talk) 13:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not the name but the location and the fact that I can't find Chak Choti Shafi on any map, Nazim Hussain Pak. Can you point me to some sources that identify Chak Choti Shafi as a distinct settlement? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Map of Chak Choti Shafi

File:Choti Shafi map.jpg

Two residencies of Chak Choti Shafi #Chak Choti Shafi (proper) #Chak Merly and Chak Shafi are visible as two different villages in this map

Sinner (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I meant a published map, Nazim Hussain Pak, not a homemade one. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:49, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Ultimately

Both Chak Choti Shafi and Chak Shafi lack support of published reliable sources, published map or any source that can verify them. If they are to be kept on wikipedia, then both should be kept and if not, then both should be deleted.

Sinner (talk) 13:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Please stop adding new section headings, Nazim Hussain Pak, and just reply below my reply. I have managed to locate some sources for Chak Shafi, as you will see, but none for Chak Choti Shafi. Do I have your agreement to request deletion of the latter? Cordless Larry (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I want to say that

Add sources that you find for Chak Shafi, and I will try to find reliable for Chak Choti Shafi.

Sinner (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I already have added sources for Chak Shafi, Nazim Hussain Pak. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for this! and let us close discussion

Now I will try to find reliable sources for Chak Choti Shafi. I want to disable photos of some articles which are present in my skin.css page. The pictures are not disabled even I have created this page. I want you find is wrong, edit this page and turn of there pictures. Thank you very very much!!! Sinner (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I suggest that you continue the discussion about images at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Pictures are still being displayed!, Nazim Hussain Pak. That's not something I have the technical knowledge to help you with. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I want to become a permanent questioner from you, Are you available to me for this?

Sinner (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

It's better to ask questions at the Teahouse, Nazim Hussain Pak, where there is a wider range of people to answer your questions. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

You are very right. But if we remain close to each other, we shall have better understanding of each other and thus I can get help from you in a better way.

Sinner (talk) 15:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Why did you request my page be deleted?

What was wrong with the page Bahamian British to request deletion? I am confused because it said the page have been deleted before? This is the first time I have made the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by CreateBahamas (talk • contribs) 08:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

It was previously deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahamian British, CreateBahamas. Your version of the page doesn't add to the content of the version that was previously deleted. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:02, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

End all discussions

End all discussions that are taking place regarding Chak Choti Shafi and delete this article.

Sinner (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

ANI notification

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. I'm just the messenger. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Identitarian movement

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Hi Larry

I have added a name in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Bangladeshis#Broadcast_media (Syed Afsar Uddin)with links. Could you please help me by clarifying a bit more that what did you mean by references.you can see that i have just added links or websites where that person worked.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enam ahmed03 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Enam ahmed03. Thanks for your message. You included links to the homepages of the stations that this presenter has worked for, but external links such as that don't belong in articles. What you need to do is cite a source or sources that verify the text that you added (i.e. confirm that he is "known as cultural and educational activist in the UK", "is much in demand for his recitations of Bengali poetry and is regarded as one of the premier performers of poetry in the country", has worked for those stations, etc. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability and Help:Referencing for beginners on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Cordless Larry. You have new messages at Nazim Hussain Pak's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sinner (talk) 09:33, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion about file

I uploaded this file:

This is picture of Urdu poet Mirza Muhammad Rafi Sauda. This poet lived in Lucknow and died in 1781 - more than 235 years ago so this painting is more than 235 years old. Perhaps no country in world has copyright term more than 200 years. I have tried my best to find painter of this painting, when this painting was published first time and where is this painting now but it seems no one knows this. I obtained this painting from google and uploaded it to Wikimedia commons. This work is in public domain but real source of this file is not known as it is painting of an anonymous painter. This picture along with were challenged to provide appropriate source or face deletion on July 9,2017. Now this file bears Indian Public Domain template and none of these pictures has been deleted. I would like you involve you in this matter and find permanent solution of this problem.

Sinner (talk) 07:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

It sounds like you might have already found a solution, Nazim Hussain Pak, but if you still have concerns about this, I suggest asking at the Teahouse. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:23, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nazim Hussain Pak: I shall ask Teahouse but simply visit this file's page and inform me using your 11 years experience is there any thing in this file that can lead to its deletion in future? Even you insist me using Teahouse, but I like your company.thanks!

Sinner (talk) 07:37, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not enough of an expert on images to be able to give you a definitive answer, Nazim Hussain Pak. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Away from above topic

If you have not seen list of deleted articles created by me, visit 9th section of my talk page. Sinner (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

How to archive talk page sections

I want to archive some sections from my talkpage as you have archived. How can I create a numbered archive page (like you)?

And can you please give a link to your comment over my Teahouse question was act of administrator right. This comment read as

'what to do of a new user who is listing...' This could not read this whole comment. Sinner (talk) 09:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

The link is Wikipedia:Teahouse#Was act of administrator right?, Nazim Hussain Pak. Please ask any further questions you have there, as I don't have time to answer them all right now. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Daniel Hasidim

Hello Cordless Larry. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Daniel Hasidim, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not substantially identical to the deleted version. Thank you. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:43, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

That's annoying; I suppose we'll just have to have a third AfD! Cordless Larry (talk) 06:03, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Uploading photo I have permission for

Hi Larry! Please could you help - I uploaded a professional live photo of a singer for his artist page, & I have the written permission of the photographer to use her photograph on wikipedia. I think I may have got confused about the Creative Commons Licence and not attributed it correctly, as the file was speedily deleted not long after I put it up. Please could you let me know- do I now need to request for undeletion of the file? Or re-upload the photo? And if I re-upload the photo, what new information do I need to prove I have permission and it's not copyright infringement? Many thanks!

Also I tried to upload this question to the Teahouse and for some reason it wouldn't let me, definitely feeling like a wikipedia newbie right now! :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Amidon

(Kpendleton1 (talk) 10:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC))

Hello, Kpendleton1. I'm sorry that the Teahouse wasn't working for you, but I can try my best to help. First, I suggest uploading the image to Wikimedia Commons so that it is available to use on all Wikipedia projects, not just the English-language Wikipedia. To prove that you have the permission of the copyright holder, you should follow the instructions at WP:DONATEIMAGE. You'll see that you can either use an interactive consent release form or submit the permission by e-mail. I hope that helps. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Kpendleton1 Lets keep this all in one place shall we? Cordless Larry, sorry for hijacking you talk page but they posted on my talk page as well. OTRS does not accept forwarded permissions. Having them fill out the consent form would not work and just result in the OTRS team asking for the original photographer to contact them.

Now, Kpendleton1, in order for the image to be used here the original photographer must license it under a free license. What that means is that anyone can use or modify the image, at any time, and for any purpose (including commercial reuse). If they are willing to do that please have them fill out the form located at c:COM:ET (that is the Commons form the one given to you above is for the English Wikipedia only). Please do not reupload the image. The OTRS team can request undeletion once the permissions have been confirmed. If you have further questions you can message me on my talk page (it just might take a little bit before I answer). --Majora (talk) 22:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Apologies if I got this wrong, Majora, but while the link I gave is to a page on the English Wikipedia, the release form linked to from there appears to be the Commons one. Also, Commons:OTRS suggests that forwarded e-mails are acceptable ("Please forward us a permission statement to the address listed above"). If that is wrong, can I suggest that the advice there is changed? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

The real difference is the default license that is preferred between the two projects. The actual enwiki consent form (WP:CONSENT) uses the CC 3.0 version (for whatever reason that is the one enwiki prefers). Commons has moved on to the 4.0 version. While copyright holders are free to use whatever free license they want, in my experience they just use the default regardless of what the default is. I'm also not entirely sure what queue the enwiki link goes to. Since the image in question was uploaded to Commons I wanted to make sure it got sorted into the Commons specific OTRS queue. Else it might delay it being found.

In regards to forwarding, when I worked the permission queues (I resigned in February due to time constraints) I did not accept forwarded permissions. Every other permissions agent I talked to also did not accept them. Admittedly this is a relatively small sample size of permission agents but it was my understanding that there were mistakes in the past with regards to forwarded permissions and that it is always good to just have the copyright holder contact us directly. If that fails and a forward is sent anyways, I usually just sent an email to the original address including in the forward, double checking the permissions are valid. It also helps to communicate with the copyright holder directly to ensure they understand what they are doing. I can't honestly say if the c:COM:OTRS page needs to be changed since I don't do permissions anymore. It may have only been 5 months ago but something may have changed since then. I can't even ask on the internal otrswiki anymore since my account there was suspended. Perhaps a conversation at c:COM:OTRS/N would be in order? --Majora's Incarnation (talk) 17:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

The release generator linked to from WP:DONATEIMAGE is the Commons one though, right, Majora? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:00, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

It certainly looks like it. But since I don't have access to the OTRS system anymore I can't really test it. If it is the Commons version that seems a little strange for it to be on enwiki. The permissions queues are segregated. Technically, if the image is uploaded directly to enwiki the queue is permissions-en

wikimedia.org regardless of whether or not it is text or images. Both are processed through that queue. The Commons queue (permissions-commons

wikimedia.org) is for images uploaded to Commons. To be honest, I never knew that the relgen tool was put on enwiki. I've always directed people to either c:COM:ET if it is a Commons files or WP:CONSENT if it is an enwiki file. Don't get me wrong. Both are acceptable and always will be. The only real difference is the default CC license in the form. Just for ease of sorting for the agents it matters what queue it gets sorted into. Most agents are relatively intelligent people and can usually find the ticket (and the image in question) regardless if given enough information to go on. So, tl;dr? It probably doesn't matter and I'm being paranoid.

--Majora (talk) 21:08, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

The e-mail address given at WP:DONATEIMAGE is also the Commons one, so I don't think it does matter, but I will link to c:COM:ET in future, Majora - in fact, I wanted to this time, but couldn't find it immediately and ended up finding DONATEIMAGE first, which seemed to do the job. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:13, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cordless Larry & Majora, apologies for the delay in getting back to you both, really appreciate you taking the time to help me out here. So just to confirm (sorry, really want to get this right and fully understand so I don't have to keep bothering you guys!) - the best way for me to upload the file with the permission from the photographer would be to go to the c:COM:ET page, and then do the Interactive Release Generator? And then the OTRS team will request undeletion once the permission has been confirmed. Many thanks! Kpendleton1 (talk) 11:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Kpendleton1, I think the conclusion of the above (sorry for any confusion caused by my questions to Majora!) is that the photographer needs to complete the release generator, not you. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:31, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok great I will contact her and ask her to do this! Thanks very much, really appreciate your help

Kpendleton1 (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Inform me as early as possible

Hello! I am reading about a 500 feet high Sky Pool which is situated in Houston city of Texas,United States in newspaper. I have searched this article on wikipedia and observed many pages including Architecture of Houston but I could Not find an article in wikipedia about this pool. Inform me if some article is available on wikipedia about this pool, otherwise I shall start creating an article about it as I am reading about this article in a newspaper which is a reliable source about creating articles in wikipedia. Sinner (talk) 10:40, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

It seems that this question is now redundant, as you have created the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Though this question is now redundant, you did not answer when I was waiting. Sinner (talk) 11:03, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Like other Wikipedia editors, I am a volunteer with other demands on my time, Nazim Hussain Pak. One of the reasons I suggested that you ask questions at the Teahouse rather than here is that you will likely get a quicker answer there as there are more people who will see it. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:22, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand, I think now you should archive all discussions that took place regarding Chak Choti Shafi because now it is a deleted article and makes your talk page so lengthy. Sinner (talk) 16:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

My talk page is archived automatically, Nazim Hussain Pak. It is not especially long. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:39, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem and that is your pleasure, Cordless Larry. Can you predict...

Sinner (talk) 14:49, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Nazli (actress)

A want an article be created about a very notable Pakistani actress Nazli (actress), (not to be confused with Nazli Nasr). You can get some information about her from [1] and you can find her complete filmography from [2]. I have no great experience in creating articles and specially biographies. I want you participate in bringing her article to wikipedia. Sinner (talk) 11:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't have any knowledge of or much interest in this subject. You might want to ask for help from Wikipedia:WikiProject Film or Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

My other bit of advice would be to create the article as a draft for review by other editors, via the Wikipedia:Article wizard. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I need your help, Cordless Larry

Hello! My talk page is becoming too big. Wikipedia:Archiving a talk page is very complicated. Please add the codes you have added to your talkpage to automatically archive all 25 days old threads except the first the welcom note, to my talkpage. Sinner (talk) 11:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

This is the sort of question to ask at the Teahouse, Nazim Hussain Pak, but in brief, I set this up for myself by following User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry, Stated as I have already asked it at Teahouse but that is unsatisfactory. There are some complications in process. It is very easy for you and I think no more time than 2 minutes you will spend while doing this, so do it. Sinner (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

You just need to copy and paste the code to the top of your talk page, Nazim Hussain Pak. The code under the heading User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo#Example 2: Incremental archives looks pretty much what you want. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Immigration to Sweden

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deleted file cannot be retrieved

Hello Cordless Larry, I have not been able to work on the diana fosha page for a long time. It has been deleted as its been six months since I worked on it (June 2017). I followed the instructions to retrieve a deleted page but I wasn't successful in retrieving it. Could you give me further instruction? The title is Draft: Diana Fosha. Thank you . Carrie RuggieriCarrieruggieri (talk) 16:21, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

You almost got it right, Carrieruggieri. Finngall fixed the request for you, and it's now been granted. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:02, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Carrie RuggieriCarrieruggieri (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

RfA

Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

AudioSolutionz Page deleted

Hi Cordless Larry, I have created page AudioSolutionZ and its deleted by another editor. would request you to take a look on it and suggested way to prevent deletion. Jamesinhere (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jamesinhere. I am not an administrator, so I don't have the ability to view deleted articles, so I can't really help much other than to point you to the message explaining the deletion on your talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Apologizing

I specially apologize for my behavior. Sinner (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not really sure that you're apologising for, Nazim Hussain Pak. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I think I dealt rudely, therefore, I'm apologising, specially for last message I left for you on my talkpage. Sinner (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I need some sleep

I don't know I could miss it, and at that point I am afraid to ask. Apologies. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Not to worry, Tigraan - better that the information was provided twice than not at all! Cordless Larry (talk) 15:55, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of some edits from user space

Hello! I have made some edits to my user space which can affect me. I want deletion of such edits from revision history of those articles. They are few. Will you please delete those edits if I point them out? Sinner (talk) 15:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't have the power to do that as I'm not an administrator, Nazim Hussain Pak. You need to request either revision deletion or suppression, depending on the seriousness of the case (see Wikipedia:Oversight/FAQ for an explanation of the difference). Cordless Larry (talk) 18:57, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I thought you were an administrator, Cordless Larry, down to present day. That's why I requested it, I know only administrators can delete revisions. Are you a father or not? Sinner (talk) 00:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that question is relevant, and would prefer not to disclose irrelevant personal details here. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Are there some requirements of wikipedia that a user needs to become an administrator that you do not fulfil? I am not sure why a user like you with over 38000 edits, 90 live articles (including 1 featured and several good articles), 11 year experience is not an administrator? Sinner (talk) 01:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

There are no formal requirements, Nazim Hussain Pak (see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship). I probably meet many of the informal requirements, but I've never really thought that I needed the admin tools to do what I do here, and running to be an admin can be a stressful process (and certainly not one that I would make any presumptions about my chances of success at). Cordless Larry (talk) 10:21, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I often talk to you and probably you know what I'm doing here. It is asked what you think about what I am doing here is useful, probleming or neutral? Sinner (talk) 10:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You ask a lot of questions, Nazim Hussain Pak, which is not unusual for a relatively new editor. I will say that much of your attention seems to be focused on your user pages, when you could perhaps spend more of that time contributing to our encyclopedic content, which is what really matters. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:50, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I feel I become a probleming one, at occasions and I am very free and bold in asking questions from everyone. I am not really prepared for wikipedia, what I used to write has been changed because my writing style is not of encyclopediac standard. Can you suggest what should be done in this regard? Sinner (talk) 11:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

If you're interested in creating new articles, Nazim Hussain Pak, then the best approach would be to create them as drafts using the article wizard. That way, you can get feedback on their tone from more experienced editors. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

It was very heartening...

...to see, among the many accumulated alerts on my account, that you had posted in the Teahouse Lounge wondering where I and a couple of other editors had gotten to, and praising our work. I'm sort of back, I think? I'm quite rusty after many months of not editing at all and some more months doing no more than correct typos without logging in. And I don't think I'll have as much time to devote to Wikipedia as I used to, but we shall see. Anyway, (much-belated) thanks for the appreciation. I have no doubt that, had you similarly disappeared, other Teahouse regulars would have lamented your absence just as much. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 00:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

And it's very heartening to read that you're alive and well, GrammarFascist! That news has got my day off to a good start. I hope to see you at the Teahouse soon, and thanks for your kind words. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Changes

Why are my modifications to professor meadows page being removed? They are just making the statement more clear based on the referred articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyside (talk • contribs) 21:32, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

You've never edited the Allen Meadors article using your account, Keyside, so I presume you are referring to edits recently made by an IP. I reverted this edit because it removed a source without explaining why. This edit inserted "to her" into a quote, when the source being quoted did not include those words, so I reverted that too. The information added in this source was not supported by the source cited. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:36, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Kosovo war

The Kosovo war began on February 28th, 1998, when the first large KLA clash (under the command of Adem Jashari) and the Yugoslav police near the village of Drenica occurred. Albanians celebrate February 28th as the beginning of the uprising in Kosovo. Then, the Serbian police started the same day offensive against the village of Donji Prekaz and surrounded the house of Adem Jashari where violent clashes took place from March 3rd to 6th. By March 5, negotiations were tried, but the Albanians refused to surrender and opened fire on the police in an attempt to break the siege. The police opened fire and settled the house with the land and killed the whole family.--Baba Mica (talk) 20:54, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

You'll need to cite reliable sources for this, Baba Mica, not Pinterest. I've had a look for sources for both dates and they are sparse, so we should probably discuss this on the article's talk page. Pinging Pincrete for input. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:57, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

The Kosovo war began on February 28th, 1998, when the first large KLA clash (under the command of Adem Jashari) and the Yugoslav police near the village of Drenica occurred. Albanians celebrate February 28th as the beginning of the uprising in Kosovo. Then, the Serbian police started the same day offensive against the village of Donji Prekaz and surrounded the house of Adem Jashari where violent clashes took place from March 3rd to 6th. By March 5, negotiations were tried, but the Albanians refused to surrender and opened fire on the police in an attempt to break the siege. The police opened fire and settled the house with the land and killed the whole family.--Baba Mica (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Kosovo_War --Baba Mica (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I know more details.--Baba Mica (talk) 21:00, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article can't be a source for a Wikipedia article, and nor can your personal knowledge, Baba Mica. Please see WP:RS. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:02, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Ask the Albanians (members of the KLA) and former members of the Serbian police. I will find. I am from the Balkans and I know both Albanians and Serbs. I was a witness.--Baba Mica (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I realise that there was violence in February, but that does not necessarily mean that is when the war is widely considered to have started. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Here, the Americans are the most reliable source: https://www.hrw.org/legacy/campaigns/kosovo98/timeline.shtml --Baba Mica (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

That timeline doesn't give a clear start date to the conflict. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

For everybody's sake, I've copied this discussion to the article talk page. Pincrete (talk) 23:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:United States presidential election, 2020

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SCHOOLSHORTCOMINGS

First off, I haven't had a chance to introduce myself to ya, but have seen ya around doing good stuff, so hi! I saw your comment here and it made me think, as I kinda illustrated in my comment, ya think we should modify the verbiage of that essay? Since it seems the RfC kinda overrules it, I know it's not about rules.. consensus and so forth, but I feel having both of those contradictory statements next to each other is confusing as is illustrated in that AfD. Anywho, any sage advice would be appreciated, thanks! Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 22:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Drewmutt! Adding that box about the RfC to WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES was itself an outcome of the RfC. I agree that it now appears somewhat contradictory, but I am loathe to start another discussion about changing the wording further (it would be interesting to see analysis of school AfD outcomes since the RfC closed though). As hinted at in the AfD you link to, people haven't necessarily seen the updated wording at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which is another issue of course. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)