Talk:Radiant Historia

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Expanding on the Chrono series?

Sentence in question: The game gives a unique take on the concept of non-linear branching storylines, which it combines with the concepts of time travel and parallel universes, expanding on the Chrono series.

While the press and RPG community have zealously identified Radiant Historia with perennial favorite Chrono Trigger, neither Atlus, Square Enix, nor anyone involved with the game has indicated that it is based on the concepts or gameplay of that title. As the gameplay aspect of the time/dimension travel of Radiant Historia has almost nothing in common with Chrono Trigger, and Chrono Trigger was not responsible for inventing the notion of time travel, the connection, popular though it may be, is purely speculative.

That being the case, it should either be documented that 'the game has been likened to the Chrono series', or it should not be documented at all. The current phrasing implies creator intention, of which no evidence has been provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.132.68.146 (talk) 18:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It should be re-worded AND given a source because now it's only some editor's original research. Sergecross73 msg me 18:41, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Oops, reading that part in the article itself, there IS a source for the claim. And I reworded it so it merely says it's "similar" to the Chrono series. That wording, especially with the source, seems correct. Sergecross73 msg me 20:44, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, the guy who edited Radiant Historia in mid-January about a reprint in March 2012 was actually right... I wonder if it was just coincidence. (Sorry if this is off-topic, I just found this to be very interesting.) --Don't mess with the ROBOT (talk) 10:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

SPOILERS

Someone should put that there is spoilers in the history section. I got full spoiled myself of the ending. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.240.126 (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. See WP:SW. Sorry 'bout that CarniCat (meow) 01:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

It's ok actually.That link gives no advice either way, just discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.181.58 (talk) 08:03, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah it does. It says spoilers are allowed. They should not be removed or marked as "spoilers" or anything, because this is an encyclopedia. Sergecross73 msg me 10:27, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Radiant Historia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 11:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Prose

Lede

• Is the lede note a particularly worth it? I've seen it in prose before, it's not all that long Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I removed the Perfect Chronology note from the lead, but kept the other as it's become standard to put the Japanese/Romanji or general foreign language reading into a note so the lead doesn't get bloated.
• role-playing video game - reword to avoid SEAOFBLUE. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorted.
• Radiant Historia was developed by a team with staff drawn from both Atlus' Megami Tensei series, including Mitsuru Hirata in his debut as director, and Satoshi Takayashiki and artist Hiroshi Konishi from the tri-Ace title Radiata Stories. - the bit about Mitsuru being the director feels out of place, could this mention who is involved, and then a new sentence on Mitsuru's debut. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Reworked it.
• Could we add some reception into the lede? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Done.

General

• Running into them will trigger a battle, but Stocke can stun them with his sword and avoid battle - doesn't this also give them a pre-emptive? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorted.
• Is there no suggestion that Atlus is also known for Persona? I'd suggest that would trump Etrian Odyssey.
  • I removed Etrian Odyssey, but since Persona is a spin-off of Megami Tensei, I think that's covered by Megami Tensei overall.
• Was there a good reason for not releasing the original outside of Europe? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • None that I could find.
• The game's reviewers also praised Shimomura's work.[2][4][7][37][38] - WP:REFBOMB. Cleanup/combine into a single ref. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Moved to Reception and reworked.
• The game was reviewed positively - don't we usually use the wording from metacritic?
  • Done.
• The reception section is by far the weakest part of the article (the rest is really good). There's at least 6 good sources for each release that could be used to explain what items were well created and which were badly recieved. This one seems to blow through points. A little expansion needed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I've expanded it greatly.
• Upon its release, Radiant Historia debuted at #6 with 32,807 units, being the second highest new release following Fallout: New Vegas and selling through just under 44% of its initial shipment. - on what.
  • Sorted.
• Upon its North American debut, the game reached the top of the Nintendo DS charts - which charts? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorted, I hope.
• Perfect Chronology debuted in Japan at #1, selling 21,429 units and pushing Nintendo Switch exclusive Arms to #2 after two weeks at the top of the charts.[60] According to data from The NPD Group, the game was the third best-selling 3DS game in the region during February 2018.[61] In the United Kingdom, Perfect Chronology entered the 3DS gaming charts at eighth place.[62] - no details on NA? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorted.

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comments

• Automated note - If you fancy returning the favour, I have outstanding GA nominations that require reviewing at WP:GAN. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these, however it's definitely not mandatory. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
  • I'm putting this one on hold. Most of the work is expanding the reception, and putting some info from this also into the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Lee Vilenski: I think I've addressed all your concerns. If anything else appears, please let me know. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
      • No problem. It was only the reception that was effecting a straight pass. Passing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)