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Historical region additions (set 2 of 2)

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Add Appenzell  5

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As suggested by QuicoleJR above.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Was an independent country for some time, and was a Swiss canton for some time after that. It fought several wars and had an impact on the history of Switzerland for the two centuries it existed for. It ended up being split into two Swiss cantons. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Switzerland. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Unclear which section this goes in, but let's push it across the finish line. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Add Courland  5

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Another historical region of Latvia. We could add more of them, but suggesting these two for now.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Latvia has a population of under two million, so two regions should be enough. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Unclear which section this goes in, but let's push it across the finish line. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Ingria  5

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Another historical region from European part of Russia

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool Makkool (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Unclear which section this goes in, but let's push it across the finish line. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Central Hungary  5

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We list now Transdanubia  5, Northern Hungary  5 and Great Hungarian Plain  5. If we would list Central Hungary as well, that would complete all four main regions of Hungary.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 03:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure, let's push it across the finish line. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap out Qajar dynasty  5 and Safavid dynasty  4 for Qajar Iran and Safavid Iran

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The articles Qajar dynasty  5 and Safavid dynasty  4 are vital articles despite being only the dynasties for the countries they ruled, the much larger pages Qajar Iran and Safavid Iran. The latter two articles, about the countries themselves, are obviously the "vital" and more important of the two; 1319 words (Qajar dynasty) vs 7585 words (Qajar Iran) and 1239 words (Safavid dynasty) vs 19185 words (Safavid Iran). I don't see how we managed to have such mismatch in VA-ness, but these should of course be swapped.

Support
  1. As nominator. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 04:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I personally think the dynasties are more important than the states themselves (and some evidence to back this is up is the fact that both dynasties have more interwikis than their state counterparts). It's a shame that the dynasty pages are not great but that's the point of this whole VA5 project: to identify important pages that may have gaps in content and quality and fix them. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed
  1. Support adding the countries, oppose removing the dynasties. I definitely don't think we need all 4 articles in the long-run, but presumably there's a lot of redundancy between them. This is precisely the sort of case where, when we have the room, I think we should intentionally show redundancies on the list. That way it stands out, and maybe one day someone that reviews the list will be inspired to merge the articles. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Pataliputra

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Was the capitol of several empires who reigned in the Indian subcontinent, and was once the largest cities in the world.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Absolutely. For comparison, we list Persepolis  4 at Lv4 and that wasn't actually a major population center in ancient Iran. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Move Solidarity (Polish trade union)  5

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Moved 4-1 to Politics & Econ -> Trade unions; noted that the History of Solidarity article may ultimately be more appropriate for historical relevance. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I just noticed that Solidarity is listed in the history page, which is confusing to me, because it is an active trade union with hundreds of thousands of members, not a historical event (although I understand it was extremely important during the 1980s). I'm proposing it be moved to the individual trade unions list, which I think is a better fit. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. The move makes perfect sense; we can let those that work on the Society lists decide its relative vitality there. We can also revisit adding the History of Solidarity page at some point. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Solidarity as a trade union is not VA5 in my opinion. I can't find current membership estimates but considering the trajectory, it most likely wouldn't even crack the top 100 largest trade unions in the world by active membership. All the trade unions we currently list are still massive and influential today. We could instead swap for the History of Solidarity article which, though it has only 6 interwikis, was a featured article. However, I'm fine with making Solidarity an exception we keep in History. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Causes of the Great Depression

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Proposing for similar reasons as Causes of World War I and World War II.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 18:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 19:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. After some thought, sure. If there's any redundancy, that should be handled within the articles, then reflected as moot at VA. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Hurricane Maria

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We do have Hurricane Katrina on this list since it was the costliest Atlantic hurricane in history. However, we don't list other costly hurricanes in history like this one and it wasn't as bad as Katrina was. Yes, it devastated Puerto Rico pretty badly, but I think there are better ones to list other than this one specifically.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We don't list enough disasters as it stands. Iostn (talk) 22:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. After some more thought on other disaster-related proposals, I agree with Iostn. Maybe we decide to cut this down the road, but for now, we should probably be adding disasters for balance. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Meh. I don't think we should list only one Atlantic hurricane (that being Katrina), even if this isn't the greatest choice for a second one. You could also make the argument of this hurricanes effects outside of the contiguous United States giving it a reason to be listed for representation purposes. I'll support if you list some hurricanes that you'd include over Maria. λ NegativeMP1 00:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think in a couple years, we should consider adding Hurricane Helene. I think it probably passes the bar now, but I also think that if I nominated it now, some people would oppose it because it was so recent. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Sassari  5

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I do not think Sardinia  4 (pop. 1.6M) needs two cities.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, largely just to close this one out, but we're close to quota on cities and I get the feeling we'll be cutting them at some point in the future. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Sardinia is a major island, and I feel two cities is enough when Sicily gets four (Palermo, Syracuse, Messina and Catania). I would support removing Sassari, if we would cut some Sicilian city. Makkool (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, Siracusa is very important historically and fits in better with the historical city section, but the other three are somewhat large cities and meet the general population criteria for a Western European city. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 20:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Gimhae  5

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A suburb of Busan  4 which is not otherwise historically significant or touristy.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, largely just to close this one out, but we're close to quota on cities and I get the feeling we'll be cutting them at some point in the future. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Sylt

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A major tourist destination in Germany. Place under Physical geography#Islands.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, Physical Geo is still under quota for now so "brainstorming is welcome". -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Dunkirk evacuation

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Incredibly surprised this didn't make the list considering all the WW2 articles we have pbp 21:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 21:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, why not Makkool (talk) 16:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, we still have a little slack in History. We can come back later and re-evaluate whether WWII is over-represented more systematically. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Battle of France  5 has several components. I don't think either Battle of Dunkirk or Dunkirk evacuation deserves to be elevated.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Inverness  5

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As with Stirling above, a "city" of just under 50,000 in a region/country that's OVERrepresented. Also somewhat redundant to the Scottish Highlands, themselves listed at VA5 and rather sparsely populated with total of 600,000 pbp 15:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 15:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Regarded as the capital of the Scottish Highlands. Largest population for a city in the Highlands. Historically important city for the area, and a center for local administration. Makkool (talk) 13:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is the Scottish Highlands a large and significant enough area that both it and his "capital" need to be listed? It's smaller than all but the smallest U.S. states. Even Scotland as a whole is smaller than a lot of U.S. states. pbp 18:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's relative to population. UK is not as large as the US, so we're going to find smaller places to be vital. What comes to your question, then yes, the Highlands are an imporant enough region relative to Scotland, to include at least one city. Again, I find no reason to compare it to places in the US. Makkool (talk) 19:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. This one's actually kind of hard because IIUC, while Inverness is small, it's also pretty historical. Its relationship to the historical Macbeth also arguably adds a little something. I'm neutral overall, but let's see where the proposal goes. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Pacification of Algeria

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Also known as Algerian genocide [1]

From the Pacification of Algeria article: Out of an estimated population of 3 million, between 500,000 and 1 million Algerians were killed Bogazicili (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. Bogazicili (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, after some thought, we're still filling in the section and can worry about over-representation later. Also, by my "some overlap at Lv5 is good" principle, let's list this alongside the other article; if they're redundant, that should be reconciled within the articles. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We already list French conquest of Algeria  5, and the two interwikis that this article has makes me skeptical to believe it's important outside of the central article. There's not even an article on this topic in Arabic. But at the same time, genocides have historically been neglected by the masses (and that's generally what allows them to happen in the first place), so maybe my mind could be changed. λ NegativeMP1 22:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Years of Lead (Italy)

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One of the largest and longest periods of political conflict in Europe since WW2, if we are listing individual post-9/11 European terror attacks here, then this definitely needs to be listed.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, history has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Swap 2022 Kazakh unrest  5 with Kazakh famine of 1930–1933

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Similar to Holodomor  4 but more important than 2022 Kazakh unrest  5

Support
  1. As nominator Bogazicili (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, we have the room and "some overlap at Lv5" is good so adding the famine is straight-forward. As for removing 2022 Kazakh unrest  5, it's a very recent article on geopolitics, which typically means some agenda pushing. Probably best to delist it for now; we can always re-add it in a few years out if hindsight confirms its importance. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. FWIW we already list Soviet famine of 1930–1933  5 Iostn (talk) 17:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That should be level 4 then. Holodomar and Kazakh famine of 1930–1933 should be level 5. Bogazicili (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add 2007 Greensburg tornado

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Large, devastating tornado, the subject of numerous studies. Currently one of only nine EF5 tornadoes to ever touch down worldwide, wiped Greensburg, Kansas (a city of 1,300) off the map, 95% of the city was destroyed. Second-widest in Kansas history, deadliest in the history of Kiowa and Comanche counties, and one of the costliest, inflicting $250 million (2007 USD) in damages to both counties. One of its biggest claims to fame is being the first EF5-rated tornado to ever touch down, a milestone in tornado history. Also planning on nominating 2013 El Reno tornado, but that's for another discussion.

Support
  1. As nom. EF5 16:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Yeah... this is actually an interesting thought. Even if it's a bit recent, we probably do under-represent natural disasters. We at least list the Mt Vesuvius eruption in European history, but don't list Mt. St. Helens, or even the Kamikaze (typhoon) that ended Mongol attempts on Japan. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Good quality article, one of the most important tornadoes. If Tri-state is not LVL5 vital yet, then I would get that one on here too. Wildfireupdateman (talk)
  4. Yeah, if we want to increase the representation of natural disasters here then I think this should be added. λ NegativeMP1 03:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Sino-French War

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An important colonial war that led to the creation of French Indochina  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, history has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add 1st millennium and 2nd millennium

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These cover major important events in world history. Should be listed alongside centuries as well.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. A bit broad, but still worth including. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 2nd-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 1st-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose both, I've honestly never liked the idea of including timeline articles at VA. They're essentially chronological list articles, and we typically discourage lists. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add several geography topics (set 2 of 2)

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Currently have a discussion open here on broadly reorganizing sections in geography. This will take ALOT of work, but will need to start by adding some pages that I believe are vital to the discipline. These pages are more theory/methods based within geography as compared to the places that dominate the section.

I am rethinking some of these based on parentage. Geography  2, Analysis, Informatics, Information science  5, Cartography  4, Data and information visualization  4. Clearly Geography could potentially parent some subjects from Level 2.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain this to me? I don't think I understand what you're suggesting. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Geoinformatics

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A sub-discipline of geography similar to quantiative geography and GIScience, it is popular among European geographers and computer scientists working with spatial data. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As Nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely, we discussed as part of the wider Geography reorg elsewhere. Also note as a precedent that we list Bioinformatics  5 for Biology. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Informatics is not vital, so I can't support this niche.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

@TonyTheTiger, this is history and geography, informatics is a broader discipline but not under this umbrella. In geography, this is more vital of a concept then any place we have, as in 1000 years the places will all be memories, but the concepts in the discipline will likely remain.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Place identity  5

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A concept concerning the meaning of places to their inhabitants. Concepts like "sacred" and "home" are related to this. Place and Space  3 are two of the most central key concepts in geography within the literature.

Support
  1. As Nom GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 19:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, we discussed as part of the wider Geography reorg elsewhere. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
  1. Is this a form of regional Culture  2? or is this a pinpointed version of the concept?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is overlap I think between this and culture. Place identity has a specific location associated with it, and can be both individual based and broad. For example, your home has a different meaning to you then to someone else. Sacred land to one culture is mundane in another. A historic building might have a strong meaning in a minority neighborhood. Place is not quantifiable really. It's a fun debate really, this is one of the criticisms of geographies Quantitative revolution that Critical geography has brought up. As humans, we know that place is important, and can understand that place can shape individual and cultural identity, but quantifying that isn't possible. How to you measure the meaning of the Notre-Dame de Paris  4 to citizens of France in forming their shared identify? I'd recommend reading Yi-Fu Tuan's body of literature (or just his Wiki) if you're interested! -- GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Great Exhibition

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The first and perhaps the most influential of the World's fair  4s. A landmark of international collaboration and competition, showcasing technological and cultural artifacts, such as The Crystal Palace.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, history has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Auxiliary_sciences_of_history topics

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Since Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/History is under quota at 3266/3300, I nominate Fleur-de-lis, Trident and Star (heraldry) for their importance in Heraldry  4 and Vexillology  5 for listing in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/History#Auxiliary_sciences_of_history.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I belatedly added Trident after first placing it in Technology for its military and farming/hunting history. However, its symbolism for deities, superheros, corporations, athletic institutions, and military forces is probably even more vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, we have the room for now. Long run, if we list them primarily as symbols, I wonder if they belong somewhere with Culture. But let's not worry about that just yet. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Sudanese civil war (2023–present)

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Notable because of the refugee crisis, 2024 famine, foreign involvement, etc. Sahaib (talk) 18:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Making nom's vote explicit. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very major and very deadly conflict. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

More historical region additions

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Add Greater India

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After Zar2gar1's suggestion. A cultural-historical region, also known as the Indian cultural sphere.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, agree with GeogSage's suggested move of the conceptual article too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Greater Iran

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Another Zar2gar1's suggestion. Also known as the Persosphere or Iranosphere.

Support
  1. Support both as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, agree with GeogSage's suggested move of the conceptual article too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Badakhshan

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Historical region in Central Asia, in areas of modern-day Tajikistan and Afghanistan.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Had to think a bit more about this one, but sure. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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BTW, we don't currently list the Wakhan corridor, which IIUC was historically how trade moved into China via Xinjiang and Gansu. It's pretty much to China what the Khyber pass is to the Indian subcontinent. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Balochistan

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Another Central Asian region, the land of the Baloch people  5. In areas of modern-day Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, politically relevant too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Parthia

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Historical region of Persia of antiquity, a part of Greater Iran.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) Makkool (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We probably already list Parthian empire, but this would be good to have too. Touches on some differences still applicable to modern Iran and Afghanistan. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(not OP) Add Greater China  5

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Greater China is already up for proposal. Makkool (talk) 13:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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If we're adding Greater India, we should add Greater China too, as a term with more interwikis and greater implications in business and marketing.

Support
  1. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Moro conflict

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A significant insurgency confict in the Philippines.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, not sure if this article goes over the whole history, but long-lasting and important to the history of the Philippines. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support.--Hoben7599 (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Operation Paperclip

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Operation paperclip was a program at the end of WWII where the United States brought NAZI scientists to the United States. Wernher von Braun  4 was one individual brought to the U.S. through this program. Check the "Advancements in aeronautics" of the article if you need to see why this was vital to the history of the technology.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, after some thought, we're still filling in the section. We can worry about over-representation of WWII later. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't really think of this as WWII, this is a major part of the history of the United States space program. It is a Swords to ploughshares situation, coming out of the ashes of WWII, but I think of it more as part of the post war period then the war itself. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Jallianwala Bagh massacre

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Added in earlier, but it is a significant event in which hundreds of Indians were killed by British Indian soldiers to crush the pro-independence movements, leading to massive backlash that fueled Indian resentment towards the United Kingdom and may have been a factor leading to eventual Indian independence. PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Burning of Smyrna

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I thought of this in the proposal to add Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  5. While this is more localized, it was arguably the culminating event that led to ethnic Greeks leaving Anatolia. Having both articles will fill out our coverage of the final years of the Ottoman empire. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kamikaze (typhoon)

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I thought of this while commenting in some of the natural disaster proposals. These are the storms that destroyed Mongol fleets attempting to invade Japan. Besides the historical importance, it's arguably the East Asian equivalent to the Spanish Armada  5 that attempted to invade England, which we already list. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Burning of Washington

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This historic event came to mind after reading several other disaster proposals. This event was part of the War of 1812  4 when the British took and burned Washington D.C.. Related to the Kamikaze and Spanish Armada link in terms of weather, per the articles lede "Less than four days after the attack began, a heavy thunderstorm, possibly a hurricane and a tornado, extinguished the fires and caused further destruction."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, this is another good one to fill out the "forces of nature" theme. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:47, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add some notable land routes -> phys geo

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I originally had this idea from the proposal to add the Badakhshan region of Central Asia. Would presumably go under Physical Geography. Also, for precedent, we do already list the Darién Gap  5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add the Khyber Pass

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Khyber Pass is already listed here. Makkool (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A famous pass through the White Mountains on the border of present-day Afghanistan and Pakistan. This has arguably been the primary land link between Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent for millennia.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 19:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Safed Koh mountains

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AKA the White Mountains, not a pass, but the specific mountain subrange the Khyber Pass traverses. We actually don't list it though so may as well toss it out there now.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Wakhan Corridor

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Technically a region of Afghanistan, and apparently never a primary link in the Silk Road  3, but this contains the only feasible direct link between modern-day Afghanistan and China.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Fulda Gap

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Leaving Central Asia and moving to Central Europe, this may not have been as notable until more recently, but it has historical importance particularly related to Cold War military planning.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Suwałki Gap

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Another land pass between modern-day Poland and Lithuania, relevant to contemporary geopolitics. Also historically a common route for military maneuvers in the area.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add more Geographic Concepts

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I have found several geography pages I feel are major omissions, most from Human geography  4 and Qualitative geography  5, with one notable exception.

Add Quantitative revolution

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The quantitative revolution in geography is a paradigm shift in geography that took place after the first world war. It is marked by new methods and technologies, such as computers, GPS, satellites, and spatial analysis methods. Most of the thematic maps we have today are products of this revolution.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Critical geography

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Critical geography is an old term with a new spin. It dates back quite a long time, but has mostly become synonymous with modern Critical theory  5. It is one of the dominant paradigms in modern academic geography, along with quantitative folks.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. Can be a subitem of Philosophy of geography  5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Cultural geography

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Studies the relationship between cultures and landscape. Very high order field, started by Carl O. Sauer, a huge name in the discipline.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 20:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Transport geography

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Studies the movement and connection of people and goods between places.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Health geography

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  1. Studies the application of spatial methods to understanding human health phenomena.
Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Feminist geography

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  1. Mostly a subset of critical geography, applies feminist critiques to understanding spatial phenomena.
Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. Can be a subitem of Philosophy of geography  5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Marxist geography

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  1. Mostly a subset of critical geography, applies Marxist critiques to understanding spatial phenomena.
Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. Can be a subitem of Philosophy of geography  5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Kurashiki  5

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Suburb of Okayama  5. Compare Remove Wolverhampton or Remove Gelsenkirchen and Oberhausen.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Espoo  5

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Suburb of Helsinki  4 which is well integrated to the capital via the Helsinki Metro and Helsinki commuter rail. Compare Remove Wolverhampton or Remove Gelsenkirchen and Oberhausen.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:44, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Funabashi  5

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Suburb of Tokyo  3 well-integrated with the capital via public transport.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Has 640,000 people pbp 10:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Besides pbp's point about population, I'll have to think a bit more about how these relate to other suburbs, or non-suburbs in general. I'm guessing we'll want to trim the Cities section more; that probably means being a little systematic though. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add several cartography concepts

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Digital elevation model

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These are 3D computer graphics representation of elevation data to represent terrain or overlaying objects, commonly of a planet, moon, or asteroid. Widely used in cartography and spatial analysis. They are often generated with Radar, LiDAR, or photogrammetry.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Shuttle Radar Topography Mission

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From the lede "The Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM) is an international research effort that obtained digital elevation models on a near-global scale from 56°S to 60°N, to generate the most complete high-resolution digital topographic database of Earth prior to the release of the ASTER GDEM in 2009." The space shuttle basically took a Radar photo of large sections of the planet. We still use these products widely today. Could also go under STEM but I thought I'd propose it here first.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it has a highly-technical back-story. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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ArcGIS

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Most commonly used GIS software in the United States. Widely used in the creation of maps.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it's a technical product. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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QGIS

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Widely used open source GIS software.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it's a technical product. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Choropleth map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They show statistical data aggregated over predefined regions, such as countries or states, by coloring or shading these regions.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Proportional symbol map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They use point symbols of different sizes (height, length, area, or volume) to represent quantitative statistical values associated with different areas or locations within the map.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Dot distribution map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They place small point symbols over a given space to indicate the distribution of a given phenomenon.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Flow map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They use line symbols to portray movement or relationship between two or more places, such as air travel, monetary aid, or economic trade.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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