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April 2024

One more academic reference for the page on Resisting AI

Hi! I continue monitoring for new pieces treating McQuillan's Resisting AI as they appear, and one just came out in the International Journal of Communication 18(2024), Book Review 967–970; see the text here.

Could the notability warning be removed? Thanks for your help and Happy Easter. Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 17:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Will look into it as time permits, but I have a lot going on right now. In the interim, it would not hurt to look for more, via scholar.google.com, scholar.archive.org, and if you qualify for it, by getting an account at WP:The Wikipedia Library (apply at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) and using its resources to search through journals that are not available via the other means (see here for a list of the research materials available; it's impressive). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I use Wikipedia Library. I got it after the one thousand edit I think. Good also for research. Best! Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 06:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Found one more citation and added it. This book really appears to be having an impact. A test: Google Scholar for "resisting AI" for 2023 gives 124 citations, for 2024 40 citations ... wish my own papers has such a rate of growth. Best Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 08:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

... and two more citations from academic articles added today. Best Andrea Saltelli Saltean (talk) 10:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

References in parenthesis

Hi SMcCandlish. Sorry it seems easier to ask than find the relevant sections of MOS, but should reference be in inside or outside parenthesis (when used in article text)? Blah blah (Blah^[1]),... Seems logical but Blah blah (Blah)^[1],... looks more in keeping with the way articles are styled. I'm betting it's covered somewhere, but I couldn't find anything at MOS:PAREN. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: This is covered at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Punctuation and footnotes. Once in a long while, there is minor dispute about this exact side point, and some editorial discretion is clearly tolerated in practice, though there's a pretty obviously logic to follow. Below, I've tweaked your example text for clarity, by putting distinct text in the parenthetical part. (However, Blah blah (yak)^[1],... wouldn't be right, either way; rather: Blah blah (yak),^[1]..., since superscripted footnotes always come after the comma, or semicolon, or period/full-point.)

My personal take on this, and what I seem to observe in frequent use, is to do Blah blah (yak),^[1]... if the citation covers the entire parenthetical. In such a circumstance, Blah blah (yak^[1]),... and Blah blah (yak),^[1]... are actually logically equivalent, and a lot of editors prefer the appearance of the latter. Also use Blah blah (yak),^[1]... if the citation covers both the parenthetical and the rest of the sentence that precedes it, obviously. When it doesn't, we'd be more expecting Blah blah^[1] (yak^[2]),... or Blah blah^[1] (yak),^[2].... But always do Blah blah (yakkety^[1] yak^[2]),..., or more fully Blah blah^[1] (yakkety^[2] yak^[3]),..., any time the citation covers only part of the claim in the parenthetical.

That MoS section should probably be updated to say something like what I just did (but more concisely), to better reflect actual practice, and to not require Blah blah (yak^[1]),... in circumstances for which Blah blah (yak),^[1]... is directly equivalent. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks SMcCandlish. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Regarding {{sfnref}}

Hello, I updated Template:SfnRef/doc recently. I think there was a point you were making in the documentation regarding when to use templates that make parentheses. In the parts I updated, I just used the most common templates, {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}}. So I wanted to invite you to make any changes or ask any questions. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

"The most common templates" are most common simply because they came about earlier; using them in most article is not actually compliant with WP:CITESTYLE because they diverge in style from the output of the other citation templates, and {{sfnp}} and {{harvp}} should be used instead, except in an article using CS2 or some other means of outputing full citations that don't parenthesize the dates. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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Parts of speech for MOS:CT caps

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We could use your help with 'what', 'which', 'to' (twice), 'in', 'froissés', 'déchirés', and 'like', and perhaps 'papier', at Talk:But what about the noise.... —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

That's a thorny one. Did my best. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for improving article quality in April! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Advice

Since you had some lengthy input here regarding the reported user's conduct, I was wondering what you suggest about a recurrence of the behaviour at the New York City article, such as this biting of a new user, and this one, which wasn't much better. I don't particularly want to create a new ANI, but will if necessary. Seasider53 (talk) 00:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

The first is a little concerning, as it fits the "good ol' boys' club" ownership and wikiproject-control pattern evidenced in the original ANI, a notion that only Castncoot and his close topical friends have input that matters. The second doesn't seem problematic to me, as it provides actual reasoning about the quality of the content in question. I'm skeptical this is enough for another ANI, but if it escalates, then a topic-ban seems like a likely outcome, given the evidence I and some others provided before, if there's good evidence the problem has returned, beyond a one-off diff. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Greek verb citation forms

An ancient Greek verb ending in "-izein" has the infinitive ending, while "-izo" shows the first person singular present indicative ending. Traditional dictionaries (Liddell and Scott etc) list verbs under the 1st singular form, while for other purposes the infinitve may be preferred. Not sure it makes much difference. AnonMoos (talk) 08:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood, but most readers won't, and are just going to see a conflict between what WP says and what the source cited so far says, so we seem to need two sources, one with -izein forms and one with -izo forms (or the current -izein source and one that says they're equivalent). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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