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Rosamond Bernier article (deleted without discussion)
Dear Nyttend, Not so long ago I stumbled across an already extant-stub article about Rosamond Bernier and had begun expanding it. I had not yet been able to work on the career section, due to the holiday season and personal illness, so when I returned to begin work on it again today, it appeared to have been speedy-deleted without recourse to discussion mere days ago, shortly before you went on holiday. Would you please send me a copy of the article you deemed deletable? I would like to improve it, as I had planned, with a large section re her distinguished career as a publisher and founder of the art magazine L'Oeil, as well as other career highlights. I had only managed to work on her background and marriages before the article was deleted as being without merit. Many thanks.72.43.213.227 (talk) 16:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll recreate it in a user subpage, once I know where to do it. I see in the article history that User:Camgenea edited the article twice: are you Camgenea? If so, I'll create it as a subpage there; if not, tell me and I'll see what we can do. Nyttend (talk) 01:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Barnegat Light
Welcome back -- no rush with this, you'll have a lot of photos to upload.
When you get settled in, would you please move Barnegat Lighthouse to Barnegat Light, the official USCG name? I can't do it because there's a dab page at Barnegat Light, with only two entries, the lighthouse, and Barnegat Light, New Jersey, the town which is named after the light. (I tried by blanking the dab page, but as I suspected, the system is smarter than that.)
Hi. I have been repairing incoming links to the dab page Tonawanda, and let me tell you that is a majorly tedious chore, largely because so many people confuse Town of Tonawanda and City of Tonawanda. It does not help that the Wikipedia articles on these two places tend to omit mention of Town and City. I have now posted WP:RM on both articles. --Una Smith (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi --- thanks for attempting to educate Ms Smith on naming conventions for cities and towns in New York. I've had to now correct the remaining NRHP entries because of this and thanks for taking care of U.S. Post Office (Tonawanda, New York). My home town, by the way,--Pubdog (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
HABS pics notes
Hey, Nyttend, regarding this diff, technically yes you are right of course that mentions of "HABS pics avail." are not encyclopedic. However it is convenient to mark them there in the photo column of the list-table, and then to request User:KudzuVine to zip through and put up HABS pics for all of them. I don't want to build a separate cumbersome machinery at the Talk page. This happened very quickly, over just a couple days recently, to identify and add HABS pics at the NRHP list for New London County CT. I did notice, and not mind, your removing one stray leftover note there, where KudzuVine chose not to upload a HABS pic apparently as there was already a different pic, and neither he nor i removed that note. Figuring out which if any HABS pic is available helps build the 'pedia, okay? doncram (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
To remedy the situation since it bothers you, could you notify KudzuVine that there are HABs pic notes ready to be addressed? I would rather wait until i accumulated a batch of them, like until i had done a good try of going through HABS search on "Fairfield CT" to try to identify matches. It is much more efficient to mark them in the photo column, an available structure, and then for KudzuVine to find and replace those easily by searching the page for text-string "HABS". If i copied the whole list-table to the Talk page and marked "HABS pics avail." within that, that would be awfully cumbersome and make more work for KudzuVine who would have to find them in the Talk page and then lookup specific name over in main page. I hope you will please be a bit flexible on this. Is there some other wording or note or symbol that you would prefer? I need to indicate that a HABS pic is available and in some cases to specify its title, where not obvious that the given HABS pic is the one that is in a given HD. doncram (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I added more HABS notes, in order to try to address the whole batch of Fairfield ones quickly, in my way trying to respond positively to you and your concern. And I followed up with KudzuVine, who immediately continued on to do another HABS pic, and presumably was going to continue. Now I see u misunderstand, or think differently, or something, and u erased the notes, interrupting progress that was addressing the notes. I asked u above if you would prefer some different language and u did not answer. I restored the notes, hope you don't mind allowing me and KudzuVine to proceed in developing the List of RHPs in Fairfield article. doncram (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay, i got ur new message at my talk page. This split discussion involving assertions of who said what when, is hard to follow. Can we just discuss here, or if u want copy all this to my Talk page and just discuss there. For now, I am copying ur 2 notes there, to here:
I just don't see notes about HABS as belonging in the mainspace: they're strictly for editors and not part of the encyclopedia, so they shouldn't appear there. Why couldn't such a comment simply go on the talk page? Or couldn't you leave Kudzu a note as to which places have pictures available? Nyttend (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I said above that nothing should appear on the page: no wording, no symbols, no anything else. These pages are meant to provide information about these properties, not to give information to editors. Would you like it if you found internal editorial notes in a printed encyclopedia? There's no reason for anything to appear on the main page, especially since we have a talk page where such notes can appear. Nyttend (talk) 04:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
To respond to your second comment, yes in your original communication u had not suggested a different wording. You did not respond until now, to my immediate followup to yours.
I actually did change what i would have worked on tonight, to spend instead hours of time going through the HABS search screens and comparing the Fairfield list-articles, in order to try to address all the Fairfield stuff in one big batch, more promptly, as a way of responding positively to you. I thot u'd appreciate it being done that way, rather than over several days which was the way i was going to go.
About the current situation, i think u should just let it be, and it will be cleaned up in a short time.
About doing the same or not in other NRHP list-articles, I see positive benefit to the efficient approach i was working with Kudzuvine, which has worked well elsewhere. Do you want to get other opinions? This should not be the cause of a big conflict. I am a bit tetchy due to unrelated matters, by the way, sorry if i have been abrupt here. I would like to work forward positively building, and not be told how not to do something when my way was in fact working fine. Sometimes it seems unavoidable, to be involved in arguing how something should be done, how someone should be acting, but really is this one a case like that for you or me? --doncram (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello Nyttend. I wanted to ask for a clarification on your decision to decline the speedy deletion of this article. You mentioned that the article now claims that he's played professionally, which is true, but there is no evidence to support that claim (and it appears to be clearly erroneous - just as similar claims were erroneous in the AfD). Is it enough to require a 2nd AfD that one editor (who has reposted the same article three times following the AfD) claims he has played professionally when it is unverifiable at best? I'm willing to go back to AfD, but it seems a waste. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 04:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry! I didn't explain the speedy request at all well. The name, Pierre Gadoua, does not relate to the new location in any way that I can determine. I will correct some misinformation in the other article to clear that up but the site above has no purpose in the article beyond possibly being a misspelling of the woman's husband, Pierre Gadoys. Could you look at this again? Thanks in advance. --Stormbay (talk) 04:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. What about the {{hangon}}, I asked on the talk page for a few minutes to look at references, etc. You deleted while I was working on it..... Is it not OK to assume good faith on the original authors and my part - I was attempting to find info which would allow the article to stay.... ???? Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't take that photo, though it is pretty impressive. I saw it posted on Facebook, and I asked the photographer if I could use it here, and he let me. I don't think the Chase Tower has an observation floor or anything, but I do think it is open. My dad used to work on the 42nd floor, so I would get to go up occasionally. Reywas92Talk23:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
No, it was on Facebook. I gave him all of the information and he agreed to it. I suppose I could try to find him again. (And, technichally per Facebook's policies, you have no control over anything you upload to a public page). Reywas92Talk23:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Bridge between East Manchester and Newberry Townships
I saved the PDF and can email it to you if needed. I do not see a box/field labeled "location". The text in the box with the UTM coordinates is "USGS Quad York Haven, UTM's Zone 18, E 3 5 3 5 6 0, N 4 4 3 7 9 9 0". Ruhrfisch><>°°04:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
OK, thanks for clearing that up. I still have not figured out CRGIS or tried too hard. Is the NRHP form for Allegheny River Lock and Dam No. 3 (officially the C.W. Bill Young Lock & Dam) in CRGIS? It was not in ARCH. Ruhrfisch><>°°04:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Great find, I have photos of the hotel and the cave that i need to upload though the German photos of the cave are nice- it is also of interest as the source of Penns Creek. Ruhrfisch><>°°03:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I only saw the notice that the article would be deleted after it had already been deleted. I think that an argument could be made, based just on the online media coverage (in the US and South Africa) on this person, that there should be more consideration on this article. I had created the stubb and had hope that others would have developed it further.
Thanks so much. It would be very useful if you could give me the text of the article so that I can work on it further, and address the notability issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekwanele 2 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Removing little number (Graphic Lab/Photography workshop)
Hey, I put the CSD on that article, but i'm having problems finding the template to let the user who created it know, I don't want to be bitey. I was wondering if you could help. Doc Quintana (talk) 03:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I dunno what you are seeing in Google streetview, but the coords for this historic district place it in a wooded area southeast of town (on Google maps and in streetview). I haven't looked in NRIS for the boundaries or area of the HD, but since this particular HD (one of a bunch of NRHP listings in Council Grove) supposedly relates to the stop on the Santa Fe Trail, it stands to reason that it's not in the center of town. --Orlady (talk) 20:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
You're right about the coordinates being wrong. The NHL list and the county NRHP list have two completely different sets of coordinates. The tourist map that I found on the KSHS website shows that HD includes several discrete sites strung out across town. --Orlady (talk) 20:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Grinnell location reference
I don't understand your concern about the location reference.[1] In my browser, the reference for the location in the References section looks exactly the same for the current version and the previous version:
^ "US Gazetteer files: 2000 and 1990". United States Census Bureau. 2005-05-03. Retrieved 2008-01-31.
Ahh, I missed the part that the reference was also for the various areas. It looks like the WikiProject Cities/Guideline was changed based on the much earlier discussion at WikiProject Geographical coordinates,[2] and hasn't been challenged. I do prefer to remove the redundancy and have that information in the infobox. ✤JonHardertalk01:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd love to, but it will take a minimum of a week - it's a far away from me as anyplace in Chester County. Today was a mess - bridges out, heavy traffic, no parking on dangerous country roads, got lost several times, and I told myself to clean up my plate and remember that this isn't a sprint but a long term project - there must be 1000 NRHP's within 50 miles of Philly! That said, it's #1 or #2 on my list
On the positive side, the old East Fallowfield Bridge is now free of construction debris and I got rid of the old Penndot photo. Only 12 feet long, but beautiful if you climb down into the ditch to see it. 1826?Smallbones (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Cope's Bridge being address-restricted is hillarious. It's been there since 1807. Somebody probably noticed where it is by now! And it's on Strasburg Road, which more or less follows the Great Minquas Path, an Indian trail that could be called the oldest road in the State (1630s?). Off to bed. Smallbones (talk) 06:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Nyttend, just the man I was looking for! Hey I just added your Tavern Club photo to the above article. I need more photos though, and help figuring out which buildings are which and what they're called now and if they have articles or photos. Let me know if you want to help. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh wait, nevermind. I see there's a whole category at Wikipedia Commons. I thought I checked, but maybe I spelled it wrong (I keep trying to insert a W). Do you want to dig up some photos for the other Ohio architects I've been working on? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Former post office and federal building in Zanesville (HELP!!! someone crop this asphalt out... :)
Where do you live? Wait, is that outing (or is it outting?) if I ask that? I've been working on architect articles for peeps that worked mostly in Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland and Cincinnati. And there's one building in Oberlin. You let me know where you are and I'll tell you what want. MUAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Alright, well if you keep a list... Frank Packard practiced in Columbus:
The Seneca Hotel (1917) corner of Broad Street and Grant, in the Discovery District of downtown Columbus, Ohio (apparently undergoing renovation)
And then next time you're in Dayton there are Pretzinger's:
Reibold Building (I think it still exists...)
Adam Schantz (I think this one exists too...)
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Please try to model your architectural photo work after this masterpiece, built with coconut shavings, caramel, chocolate and butterscotch chips, almond pieces, and an Oreo cookie crust
Hillcrest Hotel (also known as the Hillcrest Arms Apartment Hotel), at 1603 Madison Avenue
Is there a gallery with the photos you've taken? I'd be interested to check them out. There don't seem to a lot Columbus photos on Wikipedia Commons (some) but not at lot. You have your work cut out for you! Don't worry about the ones I've mentioned, I just like to have photos for architects so it looks pretty. :) It's interesting to see the styles and architecture. Good chatting with you. What are you working on, anything interesting? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
And here I come to find out you've been holding out on me! Now if we can just get you to use a zoom lens, or do some aggressive cropping??? :) I was looking all over online for this building! ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Moves
Thank you for carrying out that deletion and move. I was under the impression that I had to CSD the redirect page to preserve the edit history of the previous article location. - Ahunt (talk) 14:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Nyttend. I was surprised to find that you had deleted the stub I'd just created for Randy Sparks, and would appreciate some input. Admittedly, all the stub said (plus refs) was "Randy Sparks (b. 1933, Lawrence, Kansas) is a musician, and founder of the New Christy Minstrels." However, since the group is an important one with a number of top 40 folk music hits, per the group's article, and has been active for about 50 years, it was my belief that founding such a group conferred considerable notability.
Hi --- I'm afraid I dont recall articles on NRHPs in MD related specifically to the Shenks Ferry and Monongahela peoples. Please refer to the Category:Archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Maryland for a list of those I prepared. Thanks also for your support on the Monroe County / Rochester split issue. Best wishes.--Pubdog (talk) 01:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Heh! I can well understand that! And no problem at all - I've got Paint Shop Pro, and enjoy playing around with it. I'm no graphics expert, so if CoM asks for something I can't do, I'll throw it open for someone with greater expertise to tackle. So far, though, what he/she is asking for is fine. Just about to upload second attempt based on their comments, and will see if it's closer to what they're looking for. :) -- DMS (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm trying to upload an image, but the system isn't giving me permission. Am I a confirmed user or not? Please inform. Cheers, --ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm a resident of Dudenville, Missouri, and as I see you're the editor responsible for it, I would like to send some information on to you to expand the article from a stub. How would I go about doing that? Thanks - 3rcmo
I'd rather not add the information myself - I've been watching the page go back and forth in revisions and I don't want to get involved. But, I do have original sources that I could ship to you if necessary to get the page updated. Dudenville is not a large community, and to my knowledge no information of local importance would have ever been published by a "major" publishing house (i.e. one on the East Coast).
Neighborhoods in Wisconsin-merging with other articles-
You probably want to go to the talk page of WikiProject Wisconsin. There is a category Category:Neighborhoods in Wisconsin with 14 places. All 14 places are neighborhoods in incorporated areas of Wisconsin. Therefore, they should be merge with these incorporated areas. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 21:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
PS BaronLarf suggested redirect the old town of Rochster, Wisconsin article with that of the village of Rochester, Wisconsin article since the town voted to consolidate with the village. that has been done. Thanks-RFD (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your edit to Template:Montgomery County, Tennessee, Fort Campbell is not a municipality, but it is most definitely a place in the county. People live there, work there, and go to school there. Furthermore, it is mostly in that Tennessee county, in spite of having an official address in Kentucky.
If I were deleting items from that template, I'd be more inclined to delete the unincorporated communities whose existence is largely hypothetical -- and I'm not suggesting deleting those. For example, the article Oakridge, Tennessee is a stub about an undistinguished dot on the map. The article exists because I created it -- and I created it only to disambiguate it (some other user had linked to it). If it's listed in the template, surely Fort Campbell deserves to be listed, too. --Orlady (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm still interested in why you would insist that the template exclude a military base that is easily the second-largest populated place in the county, while including minor unincorporated communities that in some cases are nothing more than obscure dots on a map. --Orlady (talk) 20:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The page creator hasn't done anything more with this since you asked for more time. What's your preference? (watching) - Dank (push to talk) 13:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Yo Nyttend. Hey I'm finding your photos all over the place. you're a maniac! For this one I assume the hotel is the building up on the hill? I think i'm going to see if I can get the shot tightened up.
Ah, I see. The infobox photo caption says "site of the hotel". My mistake. Of course an archival photo of the hotel would be better. C'est la vie. :) Thanks for getting back to me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Nebraska photos
Thanks for the comment re. my Grand Island, Nebraska cathedral photos. Luckily, I had enough light there; I had to delete some pictures of the interior of the Hall County courthouse because of hand-held blur in dim light (and because I needed to fool with the white balance: they were too yellow). Must start carrying my tripod in the car...
Also, thanks for checking up on my recent additions. I've been watching the changes you've made (e.g. on St. Michael's in Spalding, Nebraska) and trying to keep your categorizing in mind when I enter new stuff. It's a bit complicated, since Nebraska is a work in progress; I expect to add a hatful of new categories as I get more photos taken and uploaded.
I'm not sure exactly what you watch, but in the next few days, I'll be uploading some pictures from Holdrege, Nebraska. The Phelps County courthouse is on the NRHP, but it's already well-illustrated at "NRHP sites in Nebraska", so no change will register in that article. I also photographed the post office and the city office in Holdrege; they're extremely nifty buildings, even if they aren't NRHP. Once I get them uploaded, I'd appreciate your opinion on the architectural style of the post office, since I don't know the subject well enough to make an informed categorization.
Hi Nyttend- can you explain what you mean by this? I'm having trouble understanding how the coords are needed in the main article when they are already in the infobox and title, with the same cite. tedder (talk) 23:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Photos
I have a camera, but I'm not particularly interested in photographing historic properties. I'm glad that Bms4880 enjoys taking photos in this area, though. --Orlady (talk) 20:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Far more importantly you should get a Polish Boy sandwich. Sustenance is important! And the article needs a photo. Are you going to cruise Euclid? Seems like there are a lot of historic buildings there. I'm thinking we need an article on Millionaire's row... Have fun! Does you bike fit in the cab? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Did you see Eureka Lott found a photo to upload for this subject?
Do you have favorite buildings or favorite photographs you've taken? Do you get inside any of them to check them out and get interior shots? What about architectural feature details? Just curious. :) I think it's cool that you've uploaded so many photos and seen so many of these buildings. Do you feel a connection to any of them? The article about them? I think it's pretty cool that people who work, live near, or visit these sites have access to your work and content discussing the significance and history of these structures. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Please restore this entry. I did not create it as an advertisement, I created it as a split article from the series of pages surrounding Catholic sex abuse cases. This association is rather notable, since it has gathered leading politicians from the United States and other countries, such as certain American state governors and former British PM Tony Blair for example. ADM (talk) 05:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Nyttend.
I was drawn to your user page by your revelation that you don’t have a TV. There, I saw the box that says:
This user likes that the Subjunctive mood be used. Were this user you, he would use it.
Whoever wrote that doesn’t know what they’re talking about (1st sentence). It’s mixing (a) an expression of pleasure that it is used, with (b) a wish that it be used – which are incommensurate and confusing. It would have to state both parts, something like:
This user is pleased that the Subjunctive mood is still being used, and wishes to encourage its use.
Better options for short sentences would include:
This user likes/is pleased that the Subjunctive mood is used
This user wishes/advocates that the Subjunctive mood be used.
I'd support merger with Christiana, Pennsylvania as an option instead of outright deletion. It has lots of Ghits, but is not incorporated; it's more of an area than anything else - Lancaster and Chester counties. Bearian (talk) 05:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The Metallica II page is complete nonsense. It is a hoax created by some user, and if you don't believe me, try a google news search [3] or try checking Metallica's official website [4]. You say that this is "Not a valid reason for speedy", I'm curious, have you actually read the criteria for speddy deletion? General criterion #3 says "Pure vandalism and blatant hoaxes. This includes blatant and obvious misinformation, blatant hoaxes (including images intended to misinform), and redirects created by cleanup from page-move vandalism." And, as I have proven, this article falls under that category. Perhaps you should leave speedy deletions to administrators that will actually take the time to check things over. -- Scorpion042218:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
If you don't like being told to do things properly, then perhaps you should do things properly. The fact that there is no mention of this at their official website, plus the fact that it includes a quotation that a google search turns up nothing plus the fact that all of the songs are just parody titles of previous Metallica songs (ie. "Re-Enter Sandman)for clearly shows that it is a hoax. Are yoy suggesting that the user is Metallica's manager and knows things that have not been announced? Or perhaps you are saying the user can see into the future? Or perhaps you know you were wrong and you are just trying to save face rather than admitting it. Either way, it's an obvious speedy deletion, and are you really going to waste users' time with a pointless afd? -- Scorpion042218:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm curious though, what is the point in keeping that article in the mainspace for five days? It's vandalism, plain and simple, there's nothing that can be done to save it. It's not like it's a BLP of a bordeline notable person. Keeping it in the mainspace is just giving the vandal what he wants. Yet, you use specious reasoning because you know you made a mistake before in not deleting it and now you're trying to save face. A search for the title gets not a single mention from google news. The band's website says nothing about a new album. A google search for the supposed James Hetfield quote turns up nothing. A search for one of the songs "Wherever I Roam Again" gets no hits. A search for the other supposed songs does turn up Metallica-related sites, but none of them anything about a new album. The supposed track listing is just parodies of previous Metallica songs. And all of this from a user who has a history of creating nonsense articles (I admit, I can't see his deleted contributions, but a quick look at his talk page is enough evidence). And you say that there is no reason for deletion simply because I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the album is non-existant while ignoring the fact that there are no sources, meaning there's no place where the user could have gotten the information (unless he is psychic or close to the band). Please stop being stubborn, and just delete the article already. -- Scorpion042221:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I afded it because you have already shown that you are going to thwart my attempts to place another speedy deletion tag and get an opinion from a better administrator. A prod is rarely ended early, so an afd is a way to get a quick snowball delete. -- Scorpion042223:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Don Hings image deletion
You recently deleted the image File:Don Hings.jpg and removed it from the article on Don Hings "because the image appears to be blatant copyright infringement". You provided no explanation of how you came to this conclusion. I am the copyright holder on this image, as a representative of the estate of Don Hings, and I explicitly placed it under a CC license in 2007 as per the Wikipedia licensing requirements. Please restore the image immediately, or alternatively, provide an explanation of how the image appeared to be blatant copyright infringement so that when I restore it, it will remain in place.
BlueStraggler (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up on the ARCH files - I knew they were working in late December, but did not realize they still worked after the site itself went away. Ruhrfisch><>°°04:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the message that the links are still working. I saved the files for Southern Chester County and made a "Table of Contents" with the links (in same cases just the file names, but the links follow from there), something like 10 pages of
New Garden Township
Bridge in New Garden Township Landenberg Rd. L.R. 15017
I'm hoping you made a similar Table of Contents fore Chester County sites. If so could you e-mail me a copy?
Bravo! Thanks a million! BTW, I'll be in the NW Chicago area (Lake, McHenry, Kane, and only the most northern part of Cook Counties) for 8 days starting Friday. Any specific photos you'd like? I also finally got the Star Gazers' Stone article up. Any suggestions? For my next article (which may take equally as long), I'm thinking of doing Strasburg Road (Chester County, Pennsylvania) as a group article since there must be 2 dozen NRHP site ON or underneath (3 bridges) the road. This might not fit into the usual format - but BE BOLD! Smallbones (talk) 16:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Deffenbaugh Site
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I have heard of the Sommerheim Park (actually called Scott Park now). I added a link to the district in List of city parks of Erie, Pennsylvania, which mentions the park. Sometime when I'm back in Erie (when its warmer and without the foot of snow on the ground), I'd like to explore it and try find the site (hopefully get a picture or two, as well). NiagaraDon't give up the ship20:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... I wonder if it should be "Sommerheim Park Archaeological District" instead of "Sommerheim Park Archeological District". That's the way it's spelled in the nom form and seems to be the preferred way to spell "Archaeology" on wiki. NiagaraDon't give up the ship20:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Photos
I like the looks of the Harding Tomb, nice shot. Very interesting design, unusual and rather "fun". The Denver capital picture is also good, very well framed. I think the Nutwood Place building is interesting also. It's amazing how many shots you've uploaded!
I'm going to try to get some shots uploaded from Minnesota that a friend took for me to use on here. And then I'm going to see if I can weigh into the bacon challenge. Too much controversy and feuding elsewhere. Then hopefully I can get back to some architecture stuff... I'll let you know. :) A lot of red links out there on some fun buildings, that's for sure. And I can't find an article on cross-tipped churches or that region/ reform movement? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I like stubs. I think the best part of Wikipedia is the coverage of obscurities. I started Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches. If you can help differentiate the place Maria Stein from the convent (is the town named for the person who started the convent?) that would be helpful. The photo I was referring to before that Eureka uploaded is the one added to Polish Boy (which saves you from HAVING to order one... although it looks pretty tasty to me! Several dishes in Peruvian cuisine are served over fries). ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Can we merge in User:Nyttend/Cross-Tipped Churches? Perhaps I should have started there, but I didn't think of it. I went to add your photos and realized that page would fit nicely into the stub I created. I'm happy to have the stub I started deleted so you can move your userspace page to article space. Then we can back in my work as an introduction. That way history will be better reflected with you as creator. Let me know what you think. But I think the photo listings belong in mainspace. If there's a better way to reform or integrate the bits I've thrown together then that's fine too. Obviously it needs expansion, but I think it's something to start with anyway, or to work into you listings page. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
As best I can tell Maria Stein is a reference to the Virgin Mary from Christianity and stone, as you suggested, of a holy site where a chapel was built. Here's a source with the legend [5]. As a designation for a holy place, it seems to have come from Switzerland. "Mariastein originated as a place of pilgrimage in the late 14th century, with the legend of a miracle of the Blessed Virgin Mary; a stone chapel was first definitely mentioned in 1434. The Augustinian hermits of Basle had charge of the site." I figured it was a person. Shows what I know. Clarifications on how the name came to be used in Ohio, was it done by the "missionary priest" or after he was there? I don't know. I'll let you know if I have any other theories or findings. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I merged and put up the original article for deletion. If you want the edit history preserved I suppose you can recreate and do a history merge? Doesn't matter to me really. I think the list of church would make more sense if it was chronological. Cheers. Let me know if there's anything else I'm supposed to do. :) Maybe start a new section since my talk page is cluttered... ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it's interesting that many of the churches have a similar architectural style (which looks Swiss or Germanic to my untrained eye), but there are some with very different styles such as [6]. I wonder if they weren't really part of the same grouping or got rebuilt by congregations with different ideas later on? I kind of suspect they aren't from the same German congregation groupings. Are you going to add some sort of map to show where the region is? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it's interesting how much of the culture and history of a place is based on who the immigrants were, I guess that is obvious, but it's a fun window on how a place came to be what it is and why it looks and feels the way it does. The church architecture of that region is a good example of a kind of cultural grouping that developed. I think people tend to assume the way things are is a logical progression and evolution of they've always been, but the architecture, food etc. have often changed dramatically. Fast Food is relatively recent for example.
It's also one of the reasons I like regional foods, they often reflect something shared among groupings in a population and give threads that lead to other aspects of an area's history and people. The very things we think of as being so American burgers, pizza, doughnuts, spaghetti, are (I think) Americanized versions of foreign dishes, after all, but why those? That's one of the amusing parts of architecture when people try to figure out how buildings are "supposed to look". So the easiest way is to look in history for "classical" examples or at existing older buildings that have the look and feel that gives them a symbolic meaning that people want to emulate. So Unitarian churches seem to be quite modern, while Catholic churches are often very traditional in drawing on Gothic archetypes. But now there are more modern looking Catholic churches being built that try to recreate the "awe" of the traditional churches while indicating a more contemporary style that is "with the times" and will appeal to "young people". Anyway, I'm getting far afield, but a grouping of churches that developed as part of a movement and that is mostly of one style is the type of fun find that leads into other interesting understandings about who the people in that area were and are. I wonder if it's still a very German Catholic area? Are there Germanic or Swiss foods eaten there? And what new immigrant groups may be taking hold. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The way this is worded it makes it seem as if only two churches are remaining [7], but only two of the original churches are remaining, lots of the more recent churches remain. See what I'm saying? It can, I think, be read as saying many were replaced and only two are still in use, instead of many were replaced and only two of the original ones are still in use? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Would you take a look at the subject? I've just worked on five or six NRHP PRR locomotives that had existing articles on their class, with a mention in the article of the specific example. Rather than create a separate, virtually identical, article for the NRHP example, I added the infobox to the class article. Generally, these locomotives were members of very large classes and the only distinguishing feature of the NRHP nominee is that it survived. In one case the locomotive made one distinctive trip in its career; in another, it held the world speed record for a while (except that it didn't, because the PRR switched number plates and the actual record holder was scrapped in the 30's).
It seems to me, though, that it's possible -- not likely, but possible -- that an editor will, in the future, want to create the separate article. Hence the soft redirect.
I admit that with one only one response to my initial query, it was a bit WP:BOLD to start changing the ghost towns to Former settlements but what exactly is your objection? You refer to my edits as changes as to a "nonstandard format", but my edits actually make this more standardized. Prior to my work, the California templates used a variety of descriptors for this category: Ghost towns, Former settlements, Former settlements, and even Ghost towns and Former settlements. In changing Ghost town to Former settlements, so my edits increased standardization among these templates. YilloslimeTC23:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Nationwide, we use "Ghost towns", but there's nowhere (outside of some California templates) that uses "Former settlements". It's not simply a matter of California internal consistency, but of nationwide consistency. Nyttend (talk) 23:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Can we keep this conversation in one place? It seems silly to me to call a something a "ghost town" when there is no actual ghost town to speak of. For example, Stockyards, California is designated as a "ghost town" on Template:Alameda County, California, but the coordinates listed in the GNIS database geolocate to here. Stockyards may be a former settlement, but it's clearly not a ghost town. You get similar result for the majority of supposed ghost towns, so "former settlements" seems like a much better descriptor. If Category talk:California county navigational boxes is not the appropriate place to discuss this, can you suggest a better place? Thanks. YilloslimeTC23:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
People have been complaining about my imbedded comments, so I figured I would "go legit" by inserting them as second parameters. Seemed to go well, except I put one recently in an refimprove tag (as I remember), and it displayed along with the template comment, which looked like the devil. I was afraid you had run across that one! :) Student7 (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Confused
Not A7? I didn't see an assertion of notability. I'm not arguing that you are wrong, I just don't understand. Any clarification you can offer would be helpful. Thanks Tiderolls00:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Since everything in the TR is church-related, I think it is OK to keep it all in one table. I looked at the TR form to see how they listed the properties, but I did not see that there (if they split the listing that way, I would too). Ruhrfisch><>°°01:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't you be in bed watching Letterman? Take a look at this pro-cathedral, St. Joseph Church in Marysville, CA. It is part of the Grass Valley Diocese I told you about.
Hi Nyttend, I requested speedy deletion of Malice_(novel), since it referred to a comic series that isn't a novel, and that already had a article named after it. Your redirect seems to be circular though, not pointing to any articles. I think the page should be deleted outright; perhaps I'm wrong about the redirect and you can enlighten me. Thanks.—DMCer™01:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Alma mater
Hey Nyttend-
I'm having some difficulty with an anonymous editor who keeps removing certain content from Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) without much discussion besides using edit summaries. He had repeatedly tried to re-add irrelevant info about the school's Latin Club and now is having issue with the inclusion of the text of the Alma Mater saying the copyright isn't clear. I know you had some reservations about including such things in the school articles, but this Alma Mater has a clear source (the school's general handbook) so the copyright seems pretty clear to me (the school district since it's not specifically a generic alma mater). In any case I have already used my three reverts, though the anonymous editor who may also have a separate user name) is well beyond that as another editor also restored the content besides me. Any help would be appreciated! --JonRidinger (talk) 02:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Can the song be put in a blockquote? And I thought alma mater was where someone went to school? It's also the name of the school song? What was the problem with the other editor's chess club info. That seems okay to include to me as it wasn't overly long and seemed somewhat significant. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Alma mater can also refer to the school song or school hymn, at least in the US. As for the content in the article, the extracurricular sections aren't supposed to list every club at a given school; they should discuss the general scope of the activities available and highlight notable ones. The Latin Club at Roosevelt High School is not notable and the info included had it as a separate paragraph of information. I simplified the information (keeping mention of the state organization it was a chapter of) and integrated it back into the paragraph about extracurricular activites so it was weighted appropriately. There are numerous other clubs at this school that function as local chapters of a given organization. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it all right to go ahead and remove it from the Salt Lake County list and add it to Weber County? I will not add either of the photos from the article, as they're both sisters. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Who can I recruit to upload photos from this 1912 publication [8]? I want to use them for my new Rudolph Tietig article. There are a few shots of some temples in there too, which I think are of interest to Wikipedians. He's a pretty accomplsihed architect and was president of the American Institute of ArchitectsCincinnati chapter twice. So It would be cool to get at least the best of the other shots onto commons as well. Let me know if you have any ideas or I'll check with my main photo pal Durova. But she's usually pretty busy so I'm trying to broaden my connections. Thanks brother. Be good. Congrats on your DYK. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Whichever ones you wouldn't mind doing would be GREAT! I think the temples would be neat to have photos of. There seem to be editors who work on those subjects. And then whichever photos you think are good and look notable. His house and the "medical arts building" are NRHP listed. I can't remember if one or both are included, I think his house is and it was apparently "designed" (I guess drawn?) by someone who themselves is pretty notable. The schools would be good to have also. I think some of them are still around... I don't want it to be a chore. So if there's somewhere I can list it for people to volunteer on that's cool too. Whatever you think would be best. I suppose someone scanning directly from the source would get the best photos? but I think even decent photos would be helpful and interesting. I want them for Wikipedia article illustrations so they don't need to be awesome. If people want higher quality for something else they at least know where to look? What process do you use? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, unfortunately many of them don't exist any more. They are pretty old photos (almost a 100 years old now I think). And I kind of like old photos even if there are new ones too. :) (They were taken by G.M. Watson & Co. (I'm noting that because I need to remember to note it in the article :) Lyric building (test)) The photos start on page 16. Have you looked at them? Ultimately I think it would be nice to get all of them... :) The temples are on pages 19, 20 seem pretty interesting. I don't think either exists any more, which is sad and in some ways makes them less notable, but it makes the photos kind of valuable to have I think (the second one has an interior shot as well)? Western German Bank on page 21 might be nice to have. The bank doesn't seem to exist any more, I'm not sure about the building. Probably gone. Losantiville Country Club (test) page 22 if it still exists might be cool. Although if it still exists you'd rather use a real shot? What about the Hamilton County Gold Club on page 22. I think the Engineering college building (page 24 interior 25) is worthwhile. His residence is on 26, I think it still exists... If you want me to work up the article more, and figure out what's what, and which homeowners are notable, and which ones are still around (are those we do wnat photos for or don't???) that's cool too. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I left out an i. It looks like the club still exists [9] and has a pretty long history. What is the "Tri-State"? It's supposed to be teh second oldest in that area. I have no idea if the building is still around. Seems doubtful, I can't find photos of it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Wow! Super. Thank you so much. They're definitely going to be used in a bunch of articles. That golf club does still exist (so you may be able to get a more recent photo soon :) and is quite notable. It's been in the news a lot lately for this merger and massive legal dispute [10]. Very entertaining stuff! :) And it helps so much to have examples of the architect's work (or at least his firm's, hard to know who actually designed them...) to see how he designed public buildings, gold clubs, temples etc. Very interesting. Thanks. Awesome. I'm out, but I will try to work up some stuff soon. I really need to do some tax stuff and need to stop procrastinating, but I will be on this stuff soon. :) I didn't 100% understand your question. You want to know if they're used in articles about those particular buildings? Do you want to know about other articles I use them in too? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Roger, Roger. Well to start with a Rockdale Temple article already exists (with no photos ;). The congregation moved and has a newer temple building now (and it had older buildings than that one of course, it apparently is the oldest congregation west of the allegheny mountains!). The photo would also be good to add to the Ohio sectionActually it can't go there those are buildings that are still standing to the Oldest Ashkenazi congregations section here Oldest synagogues in the United States and to History of Jews in Cincinnati. The golf club should go to that last article also (it's was Jewish Country Club and is still predominantly). Like I think said, these photos are going to be very useful. Thanks so much! Interesting stuff. Lots of threads still to weave together. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Well it doesn't actually say there was a presence on earth, it just says "reported to Newsweek", which seems possible. I started an article on the Losantiville Country Club. I think noting on the photo pages that they were taken by the G.M. Watson & Co. might be nice also. I looked at your contrib. history on commons. Wow! You've been a busy beaver. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I got online not too long ago. I dont' know my way around Cincinnati that well, but I was actually going to suggest Wyoming. Greg has taken a lot of photos already in that area. There was another place I was going to mention, but I'm not sure on how great the neighborhood is. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Nyttend, the changes i have made to harlan county, nebraska are not from a personal point of view. The fact that he was my great grandfather is not personal viewpoint. Don't use National Association of Counties as a historical source. they are not a history oriented entity. Instead, look at the 2 sources i have included as historical. One is as history of the county published in 1967, and the other is microfilm from the nebraska Historical Society. Lotwhiscot (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
You sent a message saying to observe my real name that I typed. Why observe it? Please post the answer on my talk page once you see this message. THANKS!
After a second thought, I removed your prod. I think it should be merged, not deleted without comment, as this is a potential and valid search term for an area, which is not a specific place. Merge or send to WP:AfD? Bearian (talk) 19:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
List of counties in Iowa
Hey, You were undid no source estimate? Why you deleted? I saw all over the counties in Iowa in 1900-2000. I have 1840-1900 in Genealogy toolbox is www.genealogytoolbox.com you go click there. They has in 1840-1900 historical populations. Please reply back me or send me to (RossDege88) —Preceding undated comment added 03:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC).
Arkansas
No worries and certainly no need for apologies. I didn't think about checking to see if the NRIS had coordinates for the cemetery. But I just did so (it worked for me) and it's not returning a cemetery by that name in Washington County. I'm not really surprised. From what I was able to find online about the cemetery, I think it's been in disuse for many years and is barely hanging on to an existence at all. --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Re: admin removal of edits
Hi. I was going to request oversight two days ago, but ended up having to log off. There is some information that may qualify as requiring oversight, for example minor personal information that may or may not be correct. At least one of these is in a non-article page that may not be considered for Wikipedia under some WikiPhilosphies, as I plan to edit it in the future to remove this information but I don't know if that would result in the page being deleted (although it has gone through speedy deletion before, and was rejected). I am expanding my Internet presence, as well as increase editing here on Wikipedia, so I'll need to address some of the possible privacy issues first. There is also vandalism in articles that depicts possible personal information. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU)18:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, should have phrased that as a question. Does this type of information warrant oversight or would admin removal be a better option? ~AH1(TCU)22:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Some of the diffs I'd like to be removed contain details such as name, institution, and address (whether or not it is correct). Should I request oversight, or would different types of information be removed according to different procedures? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU)21:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Elk County NRHP
Re: [12]: If I may ask, how are future editors to know that the coordinates have been checked if I don't add a comment explaining such? And what is the "Summary" form for if not for a description of the place's importance? PowersT23:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
1) But many of them are not correct, as acknowledged in the footnote at the bottom of every NRHP list article. Isn't there some way to designate which ones have been verified? 2) The statement I added is not controversial at all; a {{fact}} tag would have sufficed if there was really a need. PowersT00:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I quote: "A more subtle problem causes many locations to be off by up to 150 yards, depending on location in the country" I have found that to be the case in many of the listings I've examined, and it's important enough to appear in the footnotes for every NRHP list. And you're saying that not only is there no current way to mark which ones have been verified, but that such a thing is actively not wanted? Regarding the Summary column, there's no source for much of the other information in the list, either, but yet that information remains. Why is the summary column treated differently? PowersT02:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
If you read the footnote carefully, the 1% is referring the number of coordinates that are grossly inaccurate, due to typos or whatnot. The smaller error is, as I quoted above, "more subtle" and applies to "many locations". These fall into the 99% "fairly accurate" category, but an error of up to 150 yards is still significant. PowersT02:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Saw your comment re. Nebraska nomination forms at User_talk:Doncram#St._John.27s_Evangelical_Lutheran_German_Church_and_Cemetery. The Nebraska State Historical Society is in the process of putting the nomination forms on their website, and they've got them up for several counties, e.g. Jefferson County. I'm not sure what their timetable is for getting all of them posted, or what the order is in which they're going to post them for the various counties.
New Mexico: It was a working trip to Tucson, actually, and I didn't get a single lousy picture taken while I was there. It was generally rainy on days when I was free. Hit heavy snow in northern New Mexico—there were two other sites in Tucumcari that I could've shot, but all the parking places near them were full of snow. I ordinarily don't object to walking, but I had a nasty cold and didn't want to subject my diseased mucous membranes to too much cold air. Apart from that, it was a great trip...
I started an article. More redirects are probably needed. And a cross check of the results from Elkamn's search tool, to see if I missed any (link on talk page), would be good. Also photos would be good. And can you check that Anton De Curtins and J.A. De Curtins are the same person? What does the J. stand for? I'll try to do more later, but I have to run some errands. I hope all is well. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Windsor, Vermont
Howdy. I am wondering why the links to the American Precision Museum have been removed from the Windsor, Vermont page? I am from Windsor and have begun to appreciate the early history of the machine tool industry. There are very few "attractions" in Windsor, a couple of businesses (beer maker, famous potter), the Windsor House (museum), and the American Precision Museum. I think it should be noted that Windsor is considered the birthplace of the machine tool industry of the world. Also, my reference book, The Tool Makers, was removed. I don't understand your reasoning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nantucketbob (talk • contribs) 20:32, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Sure thing, I would be glad to help. Is there anything of particularly pressing importance? I normally go to Lucas county on Wednesdays, so depending on the weather I could start as early as next week. — Kralizec! (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I was amazed to see that 2010s articles were popping up everywhere after December 31, 2009 and I must say thank you for deleting them as it was much too soon to consider what the 2010s are or will be known. I can't say that the information wasn't crystal ball worthy, but I will imagine other users will try to try to recreate those pages. A lot of the pages that were deleted could be very well written articles, except for the fact that the events in them haven't occured yet and will not be known in a summary-style article until at least 2016-2018ish. What I was wondering is if Wikipedia held a reservation system that would block users from creating the page for at least, let's say six to eight years? An example of the system I wish to have clerified is if someone tries to create the page, they get a message that reads, "We are sorry, but this page is blocked from creation until December 31, 2017." I did a lot of work for the 2000s-related articles to try and keep the 2000s article short and clean, however, many of them have been ignored by most even though the information is prevalent and note-worthy. I would hope that someday the 2010s articles can be revived, but that time is not now. (Tigerghost (talk) 10:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC))
List of Clark County historical sites
Dear Nyttend,
I can see that you are watchful over this page, but it seems that you are not extending good faith to my attempts to improve this article.
I had added almost all the substance there was to be read, yet you generalize several diverse sources (including governmental sites) as unreliable...
I think you should self revert Nyttend. You're edit warring now against two editors. You also ignore that a "reliable source" is required and the submissions are reviewed (which amounts to an editorial review process). ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia allows direct editing of article content with or without proper sourcing. The sourcing isn't checked before submissions are put up. So it's not the same. Two editors included the information and you've reverted both. I suggest reverting yourself and taking it to the RS noticeboard or seeking consensus elsewhere through appropriate means. As I've noted previously, I've found their information to be very reliable and I'm satisfied that their review process is sufficient for basic non-controversial assertions such as building material, height, and architectural styles, especially since their content tends to be more accurate than that of the NRHP. Is there something in that content that you contest? In that case I think calling for better citations would be quite reasonable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, the creek itself is entirely within Anderson Township, but I'm not sure about the archeological district. I sent an email to the NHR info address asking for clarification as to whether or not any portion of it lies within Cincinnati city limits. I'm inclined to think it's entirely within Anderson Township, as everything else in this area with "Clough" in the name is in Anderson Township for the most part (part of Clough Pike runs through Clermont County and into Batavia). The Clough name comes from Richard Clough Anderson, whom the township was named after. Oldiesmann (talk) 06:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Deleting page / article Stephen Kramer Glickman (Dec 2009)
(I am asking, not yelling!)Why in god's name did you delete the page Stephen Kramer Glickman? This is the problem with many Wikipedia admins, you jump to delete a page that someone else has spent their "precious time" CONTRIBUTING to wikipedia. I am sure that whoever created the page that you delete will never contribute again! FYI, Stephen Kramer Glickman is an American actor that is currently starring in the Nickelodeon show Big Time Rush (see article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Time_Rush. His name also appears in the credits, which at one time had a link! YOU may have only done limited research and thought that he is only a no name comedian, but as I understand it this show has been in production since November 28 (original preview.) Please help me to understand this? I once contributed to Wikipedia (I was at a different IP back then) by creating the page of a famous (in the early 70's) rockabilly musician. He had not had a single in years but was a huge hit (worldwide) back in the day. The admin put up a deletion notice, which I disputed! This did no good at all and it was deleted. I have a PHD, I am a college professor, I understand the rules and concept of what Wikipedia is, 100%. Do the admins sometimes get it wrong? Or am I missing something? Please help me to understand why "legit" contributions (creations of "wikipages") are sometimes deleted. Thank you for your time! David P.s. My daughter was looking info up about the show and asked "why his name was in red" and no working link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.65.76 (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Sure. I'd be inclined to leave whole right side in to include the elm, but crop the left side to just inside the telephone pole (or whatever) and the bottom to just above the shadow of the yellow arrow. Maybe take a little sky off, maybe not.
I though it had the characteristic vase shape, and the size of an elm, but as I looked closer while cropping, I'm not sure. . Thanks for looking at my questions -- I pushed back a little in Colorado, which see. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 22:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey Nyttend. The photos look good. You never responded to this message so I'm not sure what the issue was. I'll hold off on making any stubs related to subjects where you're active with photos. I thought I was helping. :) Oops. Ah well, take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry if I missed your original reply. My understanding is that being listed on the NRHP is enough to establish notability. So there should't be a problem. And I try not to sweat all the taggings anyway. About a third of what I create gets prodded or speedied, but articles can always be recreated if they get deleted. And the notice on my talk page is usually enough to get some reconsideration going... As far as infoboxes go, that's not really my forte. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
You're the one that has to use it more than anybody else, so you should be the judge, but maybe when there get to be 100 sections, you might archive the first 50....
And thanks for dealing with the logout -- maybe my thirty days expired in the middle of writing that comment -- otherwise, I don't know what happened ?? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 22:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for assisting there. Well, I don't know if I understood your remark correctly... Maps can be cited as a source (see also Template:Cite map, mainly used in highway articles I think) Or do you have questioned the reliablity of the source in mind? --Matthiasb (talk) 07:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey Nyttend, I felt for List of National Historic Landmarks in Louisiana it would be better to emulate the featured List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana and List of National Historic Landmarks in Alabama. Both of those lists have legends that use color coding, although I don't know if the Louisiana landmarks have different designations; the historical districts appear to have a darker shade of blue, so I thought it would be better to avoid extra coloring. It's trivial, but my experience working on articles under WP:WikiProject Olympics makes me obsessively standardize templates and lists. Anyway, there's still a decent amount of work to bring this thing to featured level so if you really prefer the coloring at the top I won't touch it. Thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 05:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry about the confusing edit summary. And thanks for keeping an eye on the list. Time's a killer as always, but I'm hoping to at least elevate the list to a higher quality. Best, --Jh12 (talk) 05:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
National Register of Historic Places in Idaho
What's this about a "National Register of Historic Places in Idaho"? Has the NPS created named registries for the states? My silly sarcasm aside, and notwithstanding the wording on hundreds of pages, word order does affect meaning. These are properties in Idaho that are listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Saying that they are properties and districts listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Idaho (much less the the bolded National Register of Historic Places in Idaho) distorts the meaning. --Orlady (talk) 05:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
It is true that the bold text in the lead need not always be a verbatim repetition of the title, but at WP:FLC the use of boldface is discouraged when the article title -- or a close replica of it -- does not appear in the lead sentence. See MOS:BOLDTITLE for some background. Listed buildings in Runcorn (rural area) and List of Interstate and U.S. highways in Maryland are just two examples of featured lists that do not have any boldface in the lead.
As for the category names like Category:National Register of Historic Places in Idaho. I was very involved in changing article and category names away from the erroneous "Registered Historic Places" nomenclature. A deliberate distinction was made between article titles such as "National Register of Historic Places listings in PLACENAME" (for list articles that are focused on individual listings, per se) and titles for categories that are more broadly about the National Register of Historic Places, within PLACENAME, as a topic. Whereas National Register of Historic Places listings in PLACENAME is a list of individual properties, Category:National Register of Historic Places in PLACENAME includes list articles in addition to articles about individual properties, and could potentially include other topical articles related to the NRHP and that place. The fact that the term "National Register of Historic Places in PLACENAME" is used in category names does not automatically make it an appropriate noun cluster for use in articles about properties listed on the National Register. --Orlady (talk) 16:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Along the same lines, list articles like National Register of Historic Places listings in Hartford, Connecticut would fail quickly at WP:FLC. Conforming to NRHP Wikiproject precedent isn't a good idea, given the project's attitude that standards established for the rest of Wikipedia don't apply to the NRHP. The lead to a list article should tell about the subject matter of that list, not lead off with a discussion of items that appear on some other list. Moreover, lead sentences that start out with "This is a list" don't get very far past the front door at FLC (sentences like "This is intended to be a complete list of the properties and districts on the National Register of Historic Places in Hartford, Connecticut, United States" would be preferred, although that might not be ideal).
As for "of the National Register of Historic Places listings in Hartford, Connecticut" (part of a sentence that would be deleted if one was aiming for a featured-quality list), I don't understand why you see a need for the definite article "the" -- to me, it seems incorrect. --Orlady (talk) 17:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
So - do you want just what's in your annotation box -- I'd be inclined to include a little river, to give context. And I take it you want the crop to go right across the red open-framed structure (parking?) in the center - to be just above the elevator shack on top of the yellow brick building on the right -- which is just a tad above your box, if you look closely? See my markup to the original . . . . Jim . .. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
No, the ice wasn't thick enough to walk on. I took the pictures from the new bridge, which isn't too far upstream from the old one. That's why all the photos are taken from about the same distance: there's snow-covered marshy lowland along the banks of the river, and I didn't trust the footing well enough to walk down and shoot the bridge close-up. Will do so once the snow's melted and the footing is more trustworthy. However, I was right there doing some birding on the Cowboy Trail, and thought that it wouldn't hurt to take some pictures, just in case an ice jam took the bridge out this spring.
For the same reason, I only photographed the Neligh Mills bridge from one angle. When the weather and walking conditions improve, I'll get some pictures from down by the river. Right now, though, trying that would've risked putting me and my camera in the hypothermia-inducing waters of the Elkhorn.
Thanks re. the antelope picture. I'm sure you noticed the clear blue sky in my Antelope County photos. After many days of cloudy gloomy weather with occasional precipitation, it was nice to have a good photography day; and the light was just right for the antelope atop the courthouse.
That was a case where I was a little unsure which picture I should use to illustrate National Register of Historic Places listings in Antelope County, Nebraska—the one that showed an interesting detail of the building, or one that showed the whole building more clearly. Went with the former, at least in part because it looked like the illustrations on the page might otherwise be a long column of red brick buildings.
Don't hurry to Nebraska—the weather closed in again today. The good news was that we didn't get the threatened freezing drizzle. They're forecasting partly-cloudy tomorrow, and if it's clear enough I'll try to get some more pictures.
I enjoyed the Springfield picture. Snow on the ground and clear skies makes for very nice pictures of brick buildings. I hadn't realized that there were Blizzard 2010 articles in WP. Nebraska didn't get hit all that hard; at least in Madison, the major snow event was on Christmas Day.
Lots of snow still on the ground, as you no doubt saw in the Neligh Mills picture. It's nice for brick buildings, but there are a couple of white wooden churches in Platte County that I'm clearly not going to photograph until there's some ground contrast.
Hope you're able to make it to Nebraska one day. If you do, you should make a point of seeing the Sandhills—a unique piece of terrain, and a spectacularly beautiful one, especially on a spring evening when the grass is green on the hills and the setting sun is laying deep shadows between them. Towns are small and widely scattered out there, but there're some nice courthouses and business districts.
Ingrid Washinawatok was born in Keshena, Wisconsin. I added that to the article using an existing citation. I added the name on with the same citation to the Keshena article. I hope this will not create any problems. Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the heads up on others using the categories on Commons. I think if I do it (and I am leaning that way) I need to decide ahead of time what cats to use, so I need to think about it some. Ruhrfisch><>°°04:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
No, but thanks for noticing. Someone put that image into the Laura Chinchilla article as vandalism and I thought it was funny, so I used it on my editnotice as a joke. My birthday is months from now. Ruhrfisch><>°°01:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
For some reason I find this extremely funny, although of vandalism I disapprove in the strongest possible terms. Still I can't help chuckling. Here it is ;-) Ruhrfisch><>°°01:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Could I ask you to look at Category:Columbus Commercial Historic District? I took advantage of a brief interval of sunshine a couple of days ago and managed to photograph most of the north side of 13th Street in the HD, and I've now edited, uploaded and organized all of my pictures of that side of the street. This is the first time I've tried to do a district, and I'd very much appreciate your comments or suggestions on my titles, categories, etc.
Blowing snow today. We're promised partly-cloudy on Tuesday, but they will change their mind about that by tomorrow night...
Thanks very much. There's actually a lot more of the Columbus HD to do. According to the registration form, there are a number of Italianate buildings down by the railroad tracks (south of 13th St.) I've also got some pictures that I took of north-facing buildings after the clouds rolled in.
In editing the categories for the Platte County Courthouse, you removed the one for NRHP's in Nebraska. I thought about that, but decided against, since the courthouse is listed by itself in addition to being part of the HD. Would this be a situation where it'd be better to keep the parent category? Without it, someone scanning the parent category might mistakenly conclude that we don't have images of the courthouse.
Thanks yet again for all the encouragement and advice--
You've got a good point about courthouses being included in city rather than county categories. I must confess, too, to an ulterior motive for wanting to include the Platte Co. courthouse separately in the NRHP's-in-Nebraska category: it brings the number of subcategories in that category up to 100, whereas your edit brought it back down into double digits. Before long, however, I think I'm going to have to start making subcategories for some of the counties, just to keep the list from getting unwieldy; I see that someone, very likely you, has done this for Ohio.
Your feeling the need to apologize for the length of your comment amply proves how little acquainted with me you are. I would not survive for a week in a world where I was restricted to a Twitter-like 140-character limit; I can barely say hello in less than a hundred words.
Intend to go out and get some more pictures on Tuesday, unless the weatherman breaks his promise of mostly-sunny. Among other things, one of these days I'll get St. Leonard's Church, which is a 20-minute walk from where I'm staying.
Good luck with your two county lists. I'm close to completing Madison County, but there are no others in easy reach that are close to done. Unless, of course, I put Stanton County with its zero sites on the done list...
I am sorry about that im going to change, but it is within the City of Manvel ETJ if you zoom in the upper right corner of the GIS Map and click on the subdivisions map its going to be there.--Txtrooper (talk) 02:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations
My congratulations on your recent DYKs. The articles about St. Anthony & St. Henry were very interesting and well written. I do not mind putting the appropriate templates on the articles talk pages but I am relunctant to classified the articles. I would have to look at the classifications first. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 18:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
If you want to get on the
Louis Sullivan bandwagon (re: your note about the Purdue State Bank) there is more (opinion) to be done in central Ohio. Should you wander over to the Home Building Association Bank in Newark you might be able to check up and follow up on my note regarding the stencil panels above the ceiling there. Don't take NO for an answer when you ask to get up there. Tell them that you are on a Wikipedia Special Assignment and if that doesn't work, say "Carptrash sent me." You never can tell. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I was in the process of learning, trying out the truncation process of the cites, when I saw you beat me to it. Thank you, thank you. They look so much better that way. Cheers. If you were the one also giving me the advice on the talk page about how to do this, thank you.Carsonmc (talk) 02:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm still green to some of the Wiki ways, would you have gotten this message if I pasted it on my talk page? At any rate, yes, the ref. is very confusing when doing multiples. I need to do it to the Mary Hood page as well, unless, of course, you want to do that one too. ;-) LOL... Cheers, thank you.Carsonmc (talk) 02:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Boy Scouts
Thanks, again, Nyttend for your help. Not sure if my above message made it to you, the second one, or if I needed to put equal signs for you to get a new message. Saw your User page, glad you are helping out with Boy Scouts. Eagle Scout, here, and loved my years with the scouts. Carsonmc (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I have much to learn. I tried the talkback bit, but I got some message that someone had changed my page, I said okay, save, but it didn't save my talkback try. Yikes. At any rate, thanks for all your help. As for the Scouting, yes, Eagles are a rare breed. Too, I saw you were in the OA. As for the snow, dang, you guys have been pounded lately. I'm in the Atlanta area. We, too, have had tons (read 1-2 inches by Southern standards). And, quite frankly, I'm over it. ;-) Carsonmc (talk) 02:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that here in Atlanta, we, too, are breaking records with percipitation. lol... I have just recently heard about the WikiProjects. In particular, WikiProject Georgia (New Georgia Encyclopedia). I'm hoping that if this merger happens, it doesn't wipe out a lot of Wikipedia-created stuff. I spent hours and hours reading, researching, writing neutral text etc. for Reinhardt College, Mary Hood, etc. (both of which could be impacted). I'll have to check out the Scouting project. How do I join? BTW, I saw some of your articles on historical properties in Ohio... another thing we have in common. I give tours of the SoNo area (between downtown and midtown) of Atlanta for a local preservation group. I hope to add Wiki sites on local bldgs., etc. I may have questions, which I'll seek you out for answers. Too, I should create a page SoNo Atlanta... lol. You can see some of the buildings I discuss on my tour by going to the Reinhardt page, the "photo album" link to Flickr at the bottom, and then search Flickr via my "handle," lol, APC JC. Several sets of my photos there.Carsonmc (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I'd be more apt to add to the Historic Places project than the Scout's one. I will def. join both, however. Carsonmc (talk) 03:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Advice requested
You may want to check out File:Drinker House 241 Pine.JPG, which has some "best guess" or "original research" on my part, and compare to the info on Drinkers Court in National Register of Historic Places listings in Center City, Philadelphia. The advice I request is how to deal with these little anomalies. It's pretty clear that my guess is mostly correct, but that there might be something else going on as well. How to check these out without making a big deal of it - like the time I asked about the unknown NRHP in Wilmington, Delaware? Out of every 10-20 photos, I'll guess that 1 will have such an anomaly, so is there a basic rule to follow? Smallbones (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I assume that this is being done by some problem user with whom I've corresponded, but there are so many I can't guess which. It doesn't look like my email address has been posted any where that Google can find it. Will Bebacktalk23:55, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I hope there are no hard feelings over my sending this page to DRV and you understand now why I felt it needed to be done. --Tothwolf (talk) 06:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Uhh...maps!
Those unincorporated Saline County community maps you just removed are correct...the communities do have boundaries. Please see this map produced by the Saline County planning department. Ks0stmIf you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.07:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my error on the Seward County courthouse picture. I apologize for causing you the extra work.
Got the "NRHP's in Nebraska" category over 100, so decided to break it down into counties. Spent a marathon session last night on that, and finished it up this morning; in the course of my marathon-sessioning, I accidentally deleted the close-bracket that you spotted.
While editing the file, I noticed that there was location information in it. Is that something I should be including (for non-restricted sites, of course)?
I need to start doing that with my pictures—and to go back and add the data in for my old ones, if this spell of gloomy weather outlasts my backlog of pictures to edit and upload.
Seemingly trifling errors in coordinates can have serious consequences. A couple of illustrations from my own limited experience:
The John Wesley and Grace Shafer Warrick House in Madison County, Nebraska has coordinates that appear to place it in the middle of 4th Street. That doesn't interfere too much with finding the place; but for purposes of photography, should I try to catch it with an east or a west light? I guessed wrong the first time I drove there.
I haven't illustrated the site of the demolished Kathleen Hearn Building in Hamilton County, Nebraska. The coordinates given place it in the middle of O Street. I've got pictures of the modern structures on all four corners of the intersection, but I don't know which of them to use.
A very slight improvement in the coordinates would've spared me a 45-minute drive in the first case, and would put me one picture away from completing a county in the second.
Thanks for finding the Kathleen Hearn picture. I think that it was probably on the northwest corner of 10th and O. Assuming that the picture was taken from the corner, it would have to be on the northwest or northeast (depending on whether it was taken in the morning or afternoon). The Elkman tool indicates that the building was on a 2-acre lot, and the picture shows only one tree. That's consistent with the northwest corner: the Google satellite photo shows a large lot on that corner with only a single tree by the street. There's a good-sized parking lot to the north, which might have belonged to the school; and the three parallel driveways leading to the white-roofed structure north of the corner suggest that the building might be a set of townhouses. which is what replaced the Hearn building.
Nevertheless, I'll wait to post a picture until I've revisited Aurora. I'm sure that I can find an old map or other source in the library showing the location, and I'd rather be certain. Moreover, my picture of the northwest corner is pretty bad—I shot it close to sundown, so it's dark and backlit. I'll try for a better picture and a more certain location.
Re. St. Johannes in Hamilton County: I got it yesterday; it's in the queue for editing and uploading. I let the Kathleen Hearn site jump to the head of the line, since it was only one picture. St. J's is waiting behind St. Leonard's church (which will complete Madison County) and St. Bonaventure's in Raeville (which will complete Boone County). Just so you don't think I've been slacking off...
OK, St. Leonard's Church. It's about half done, which is to say that I've uploaded all the files and put them in holding categories. I still need to do a whole lot of categorizing, as well as trying to identify a few saints on windows.
Which brings us to windows—and statues, and frescoes—inside the church. I got about halfway through the uploading process and started worrying about copyright issues. Could I ask for your thoughts about the legality? The church was built in 1913, and all of the furnishings that I photographed date from the original building. If it makes a difference, the windows are not original artwork in the sense of one-of-a-kind: they were bought from a supplier in Chicago, and I've seen identical windows at another Catholic church (in Valentine, Nebraska). The same might be true of the statuary: the Stations of the Cross, at least, are identical with a set in a church in Globe, Arizona.
I'll await your answer before I categorize the pictures; right now, they're in a hidden category. If you're interested in seeing them, I've got them all uploaded here.
Thanks again for your patience with all of my questions—
Once again, thanks for your help. Eventually I will learn some of these things for myself, and won't have to bother you with so many questions. When that day comes, I'll try to be as helpful toward newcomers as you've been toward me.
Excellent photographing opportunities in St. Leonard's. My mother is a parishioner, and Fr. Dunne kindly allowed me the run of the church, with only the request that I turn off any lights that I turned on. Since I had the church to myself, I could also set up my tripod for ambient-light photos. Even so, though, I had some disappointments: I didn't really get the altar to my satisfaction, and I couldn't get a good shot of the mural on the wall above and behind the altar. I'd also like to go back and get close-up shots of SS. Boniface and Patrick (who're there because the congregation at the time consisted largely of Germans and Irish).
Would very much like to get into some of the other churches. I was looking at the registration form for St. Bonaventure in Raeville (Boone County), and apparently there's a mural inside depicting the founding pastor presenting the church. I've got some nice pictures of it, which I'll upload soon; but they're all of the exterior.
I like the idea of St. Leonard's Garage. Wonder how long it will be before someone's canonized on the strength of miraculous healings of automobiles belonging to people who prayed to him.
I think St. Leonard's is the first place where I've used my tripod for WP pictures. I started carrying it after having to write off pictures of the plasterwork inside the Hall County, Nebraska courthouse. There were dim lights mounted on the wall casting shadows that defined the work very nicely; but they were too dim for hand-held pictures, and the flash on the camera wiped out the shadows and the detail. Got home from that photography trip and threw my tripod in the back of the car, where I've been carrying it since. Luckily, there was enough light in the Grand Island cathedral to allow ambient-light photos
A greater handicap is that while I'm very fond of my digital camera, it doesn't have a bulb setting like my old SLR had. Thus the most exposure I can get is F2.8 at 1 sec. That wasn't enough to get the mural behind the altar in St. Leonard's. With the old camera, I could expose it for as long as I could hold the cable release down.
But now it's time to start categorizing the St. L. pictures—
Nyttend, I need your help. An administrator is threating to delete three images of books that I placed on the Mary Hood page that I created. These images have been up for over two years. I can change the data below these pics to match that of those of Gone With the Wind. Is this needed? Please advise?Carsonmc (talk) 20:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
This site seems to essentially just be a forum of people posting where they got ticketed for speeding. Most of the links on wikipedia that point there seem to be broken, as they all end up landing at the main page only. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any reason we need to be linking to them at all. (Apparently, this came up on ANI a while ago). -- Bfigura(talk)18:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
star-shaped anchor plates (aka Barnstars) in buildings in Philly
Multiple Barnstar New Century Building NRHP Award
I had a nice trip to Philly today and started noticing some nice buildings with multiple "barnstars" on them.
I think there were 10 on an ugly building next to a NRHP, and 14 on a nice looking building across the street from a NRHP. When I got back, I discovered 17 on a NHL in Philly (where I didn't take the picture).
Without further ado, I award you this Multiple Barnstar New Century Building NRHP Award for your help and encouragement. Smallbones (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I misunderstood, will put it in the Barnstar article. I can never get the CGIS thing to work - maybe it's because I'm on a Mac? The 2 hotels are remarkably similar. The J. Sylvester Ramsey School has bitten the dust, but I forget where to put this correction, see [13] vs. Google Streetview (Quince and Pine, Philadelphia). I'll put a site photo on the Center City list. As always, Smallbones (talk) 22:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Reinhardt College
Nyttend, I think someone is vandelizing the Reinhardt College page. See latest edit about a Cobb County baseball player. It appears this ip made another vandelized comment on the "Death" page. Can you do something about this? Thanks, 72.152.60.65 (talk) 03:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
These are some of the talks I have been going back and forth with. I am CONFIDENT that this is not a violation simply because the company I work for(Gizzle ENT) which is the SOLE owner of OG RON C, F-Action and anything related to him. This page should be up simply because he is the CO-Founder of Swishahouse Records which is the 2nd biggest record label in Houston and started the careers of Slim Thug, Chamillionaire, Paul Wall, and Mike Jones. He is also HEAVILY praise for continuing DJ Screw legacy of the chopped and screwed genre...
Please read over these notes.. I was currently making the changes to keep the page up, I am the person who runs and maintains the myspace.com/ogroncfanpage
The link you provided on my Talk page only shows that he exists. Are there articles which talk about him with enough detail to write a biography from? Woogee (talk) 05:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The paparoach link looks okay, but the creative firm doesn't look like it's independent. Be also sure to see WP:BLP. All claims must be sourced to reliable sources. Woogee (talk) 06:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
THANX
You wrote:
As far as I can see, there are no categories for archaeological sites by period. I'm finding that it might be helpful to have categories for Archaic sites, Woodland sites, etc., but I can't find any. Do you think that it would be a good idea to create categories like this? I don't really know what I'm doing, so I don't want to start without getting input from someone who knows better than I do. I would have posted this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology, but that page appears to be largely inactive. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 01:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
That'd be a great idea! Great, meaning, great for someone other than me to do :). Eastern North America universally uses the Paleoindian, Archaic, Woodland, Late Prehistoric, Historic sequence, which is subdivided into local variations and phases. Let me poke around a little bit and see if that's a good way to do it, maybe I'll use the few Iowa sites as a test. Bill Whittaker (talk) 14:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
National Register of Historic Places listings in Guthrie County, Iowa
You've incorrectly listed the former IA state spur highway 384. In 2003, this highway was transferred from state highway IA384 to the Guthrie County highway F25.
I would like to know why my page got deleted, as there are pages on wikipedia that have the same content as mine did? Thanks Yzwreckin (talk) 21:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Hopkins Stone Building
Thanks for the link! I would hope someone at the Kent Historical Society made note of when the building was torn down and told OHS. Looks like at least someone was "in the know". :) --JonRidinger (talk) 00:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I should be able to help. What do you need?Mr. Vitale (talk) 06:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I can't say I've heard of such a site. In terms of the environment on Quaker Church, it might be little farther out then half a mile. After the stoplight at Route 51, the road is mostly surrounded by farmland, but afterward it follows a steep path to the top of what is indeed a wooded area (where the actually abandoned Quaker Church is located). Beyond the structure and cemetary, I can't say I'm familiar with anything else on the hilltop. Mr. Vitale (talk) 07:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikitable help
Hello! I posted an entry about an article that had some trouble with the wikitable. Another user had done some cleanup, and I thanked them for it. However, upon checking the article's history, I saw you also lent a hand in that cleanup. You never posted at the Help Desk, so it took me a bit to see it. I just wanted to say thanks for helping out! --Avicennasis22:32, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome - I was adding OCLC numbers to books in articles without ISBNs, then searched on Google for other uses of the book refs here and found the Book Site. Ruhrfisch><>°°04:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Time of day. The sun was right behind the building from that angle. The courthouse is another entry on my long list of buildings to hit sometime around the summer solstice.
The Conservative and Liberal parties really owe their existence to a time when voters felt the two main parties had gotten too similar. They basically function as pressure groups (and as you can see if you read the Liberal Party article, it has been displaced by the WF and Green parties, both of whom carried enough votes in the last gubernatorial election to get the automatic ballot line. I guess the Conservatives stay out of the Republican Party because a) they like to be ideologically pure and b) sometimes, particularly upstate, they endorse Dems as well if they can demonstrate fiscal responsibility. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
I hope I didn't make too much work for you with this "new" NHL. There are a lot of numbers to update! The New Century Guild photo was added to the Star anchor article, which is linked to Barnstars. I've got a better star anchor photo, which I'll add directly to barnstars later - 6 big stars on a white building. More snow tonight - I'll never get out to Strasburg, or Hopewell! Smallbones (talk) 06:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey Nyttend, I recently completed an article for Paul I, 1st Prince Esterházy of Galántha and nominated the article for Template talk:Did you know. I noticed that you had quality checked some of the other submissions and was wondering if you could give me any guidance as to how to make the article more appealing for selection. Any suggestions you could offer would be of the greatest help! --Caponer (talk) 16:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Nyttend! I appreciate your suggestions. I've also enjoyed reading your articles, especially those that are listings on the National Register of Historic Places. I've been meaning to work on articles for some listings in West Virginia, so perhaps I'll be turning to you again for guidance when that time comes. As always, thanks for your hard work and your timely responses! --Caponer (talk) 17:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
The fully illustrated Florida lists to the NRHP project page, that is. Hoping to fill out more of the county lists down here similarly in the coming months. Cheers! :)
Yeah, we're spoiled down here. There was supposedly snow in our region a couple of weeks ago, but I saw no sign of it in my travelsat the time. Hope y'all thaw out soon. Ohio's a pretty state, though I've only seen a bit of it. Want to get back up there one of these days. Good luck with the roadtrippin'!
You're lucky, you have mounds and covered bridges. The mounds down here aren't nearly as impressive, since the Moundbuilder Culture didn't make it this far down. And we have no covered bridges at all. :( --Ebyabe (talk) 05:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Would you please check the Madison Metropotitian Area template at the Madison, Wisconsin article. If you click on view or edit, there is nothing yet you can see information on the template. I think there is some defect with the template. Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:49, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Knox County
I would ask that you not revert the addition of Galesburg City Township to the Knox County template as you have done twice recently. There's nothing wrong with linking to redirects, and you've given no particular reason for the reversions; the Galesburg article mentions the township in the lede. It is clearly an active township, as shown by three sources listed on the Galesburg talk page, and so it needs to be listed in the template in order for that list to be complete. If you feel that the township needs its own article, that's fine, and you can certainly create it -- just replace the redirect with some article content. Thanks! Omnedon (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to take my time responding ... we lost power yesterday for 15 hours thanks to the storm. I actually live here, not in either Wallkill, though both are within easy driving distance.
Funny you should ask about that church ... it does look familiar. I was in Newburgh earlier in the week, in that neighborhood, and I could have checked or taken a contemporary photo. I'll try next time I'm there. Daniel Case (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually it's been on since late yesterday afternoon. We live near a substation, where apparently a transformer went out early in the morning (which didn't surprise me ... we'd had a lot of brownouts and flickers that evening while we were watching the figure skating finals so I was not expecting the power to remain stable). I took some pictures of the crew working on it which maybe I should add to the article.
Hi Nyttend: You undid my recent revision to the Edgewood article. You seem now to be insisting on references - but you've been adamant in the past about not tolerating my linking to sites with which I'm involved (I acknowledge the policy), which are the best and sometimes only reference to which I can link. That is difficult enough. However, removing my input on the Talk page explaining the edits was, in my opinion, inappropriate, especially since that input specifically requested guidance from others on how to get relevant information into the article without creating a conflict of interest. It is becoming very hard to believe that there is not some sort of grudge in operation here. I realize that you can do essentially whatever you want to the articles, but please do not remove my content from the Talk page again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weckerleje (talk • contribs) 13:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
UPDATE: Nyttend, I did not understand your edit and was absolutely wrong to criticize you on the issue above. I apologize. I know you are trying to do what you think is right for Wikipedia. We may disagree on some of the associated issues, but in this situation, I hope you will accept my apology for unfairly giving you a hard time. Weckerleje (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Your disregard for the rules re Kellys Island
It appears that you are completely ignoring the fact that trip advisor is a third party hotel booking site and that it is expressly stated not to link to these types of sites as stated above. If you expect others to follow the guidelines then you yourself should set the example by doing so. Until then why would you expect others not to link their third party sites as well? If you can provide a reason why your request to include Trip Advisor should circumvent the stated polices, then I would not be inclined to remove it when I see it next. Until then, please follow your own stated guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 19:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
In one of your other post (deletions) you stated that because a website featured multiple hotels, it was a booking engine and could not be listed in external links. Trip advisor on the very home page allows users to enter dates, select a hotel, and make a reservation at thousands of properties (all at a commision to trip advisor) If this is not a violation of the external link policy then I don't know what is. it is CLEARLY a aggregate hotel booking system / website as well as a review website. Your attmepts to allow this to stand as an external link when it is clearly a revenue generating website that excludes those hotels who are not part of its online booking engine. From the home page you can enter dates, location and get prices and re direct to an aggregate on line booking. This is advertising pure and simple and is clealry excluded from the external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 14:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I have redirected the "Indian Australian" article to "Indo-Australian", since it is in line with other Indianised populations such as Indo-Fijian, Indo-Canadian. Indian refers to a citizen of the Republic of India. Australian refers to a citizen of the Commonwealth of Australia. India does not recognise Dual Citizenship, therefore it is impossible to be Indian and Australian simultaneously. This page refers to Australians who have Indian background, origin, etc, therefore the "Indo-" prefix is much more suitable to demonstrate this (also refer to Anglo-Celtic Australian instead of British Australian).Aussiaustral (talk) 02:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
On March 1, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Francis M. Drexel School, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hey! We got it! BTW, I hope I'm not being a problem child on uploading HABS photos at Commons. I'll check your example, and try to improve (a bit). New problem - I'm convinced that Steuben's HQ on NHL at Valley Forge is a gross miscarriage. I'll be back with details, but you might check File:Steubens HQ so called.JPG for starters. Smallbones (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Check out [15] on Google books. It cuts off before the final nail is put in the Von Steuben HQ coffin, but 2 other google books from the 1900's confirm the earlier part of the story (about Slag's Tavern). The real problem with this as a NHL site is that the NPS doesn't really believe it - as shown by it not being on the Park map, and by the condition of the place - all locked up, no parking, 1 information sign that's almost unreadable with dirt, but with nothing about Von Steuben. And (would I make this up?) the rotted carcass of a big buck deer right in front of the door. It's the place in the coords exactly, but when I went last fall, I just couldn't believe it was the place. For purposes of Wikipedia, it's not my place to say NHL is wrong, but I think that I'll write the NHL article, with a certain skepticism expressed (ever so NPOV). Let me know if you know anything about this place.
BTW, Germantown is on my list, but way down. I need to get familiar with the buildings and HABS searches are one way of doing it. As always, Smallbones (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, the 2 examples are exactly what I needed. I did find one notable "non-statement" from the NPS [16] saying that he probably lived (at least for awhile) somewhere else, with no mention of the NHL site. I hate to ask this too often - I feel idiotic when I do - but do you have access to the NHL nomination? Smallbones (talk) 03:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Wow. 2 out of 2 downloads! The non-downloadable photos (from NPS focus) also confirm that it's the right building. Someday, I'll figure out the "system". Thanks for all Smallbones (talk) 03:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Even though most of my work in the last ten years before digital was on slides, and therefore had to be perfect in the camera, before that I did my own darkroom work and manipulated everything, so now I have a tendency once again to manipulate almost every image -- in particular cropping off the bottom, and, often, dealing with sun/shade issues.
I'm happy to fix one up for up for you once a week or so, but as you gear up toward summer, you may indeed want to think about doing it yourself. The learning curve is not bad -- my wife, who has a love/hate with computers and cameras, learned while doing a photo directory for church, including cloning out obnoxious backgrounds (ie building a brick wall digitally), and doing a lot of red eye removal. Cropping, rotation, and contrast are child's play. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 01:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I'd forgotten about User:Jameslwoodward/Architectural photography. Thanks for reminding me. Sorry to pick on you with St. Henry, but it's a perfect example. I deliberately used your St. Augustine to have one "do this" and one "don't do this" from the same source.
Your comment, "Curious — have you considered moving the page to the help or Wikipedia namespaces? It looks quite useful...." It seems to me a little forward to simply put it in mainspace myself, but if you'd like to move it someplace more accessible, please do. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 13:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
This looks like a lovely church. It doesn't really look like it was built in 1900, but I guess maybe it's just been renovated and kept in handsome shape. Did you get some interior shots? ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Excuses, excuses. :) How was the wedding? It's a great photo. That architect seems to have done a lot of neat buildings (a very European building style, I'm not sure from where exactly, maybe Germanic?). I don't know how much of his work survives... but I started an article on him and at least a few examples of his work remain standing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
The NRHP search tool is pretty hit or miss unfortunately. NRHP doesn't seem to standardize architect names, so it can get pretty tricky. Emporis on the other hand... :) Sadly, much of that architect's work seems to have been demolished after 50 or so years. Sometimes that's not a great sign for the architect, but in this case I think it's more a symptom of his elaborately ornamented buildings, often with quite a bit of woodwork, requiring substantial upkeep to maintain and that kind of thing just wasn't done a lot in the 50s 60s and 70s it seems. Too bad. But one of the sources I found has some nice photos. It's somewhere there among the references if you want to have a look. I need to get offline. Thanks again for all your collegial help and photos. You inspired me to get out Saturday and take some shots. It was raining anyway. So of course now all the Redondo Beach, Southern California photos of NRHP sites show stormy weather. Hahahaha. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Now there's a bacon tie in! I was looking into hitlerszalonna "Hitler bacon", a hard slab of fruit jam from Hungary, and came across the Szalonna (town) article which has a photo of rooftoops which look to me to be similar to lines of the church roof Wachter designed. I wonder what his background is? Is this some kind of National Pig Day miracle? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Bethel Academy
On March 3, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bethel Academy, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
has crashed a few weeks ago because of some WP system update. Its owners are inactive, and Shubinator (kudos to him) wrote a replacement bot, which got approved hours ago. It was shaky, but working during the tests. Materialscientist (talk) 03:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I almost stopped reviewing DYK, and the last thread at WT:DYK indicates we should do more there. Most WP areas are understaffed, but WP is a top visibility site .. thus the consequences. Materialscientist (talk) 03:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I just blew away your changes here. I was just finishing a major rewrite which, I think, address your concerns, but you may want to check. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
No problem; you made no substantial changes to my work except for improving the caption on the image. Thanks for the note and for the improvement! Nyttend (talk) 15:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I just finished updating changes to the Chesterfield page. Hopefully the changes address your concerns about citiations. Could you check the page and tell me if anything else needs improving. I really appreciate the help you are giving me. It's really improving the page over what I could have done alone. Bgwhite (talk) 19:31, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Here are some "walking tours" for Bloomington. For instance here's the courthouse square one. I can't think of any architects from there and didn't come across any in a quick search. But those sources seem useful for building groupings and include maps. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm having ongoing trouble with User:Hmains, in that he/she does strange recats and refuses to change his/her ways. Last month Hmains had an extended run-in with several NRHP editors (including Doncram, Orlady, and Acroterion)
on User talk:Hmains
which Hmains has subsequently deleted.
Today, I reverted two edits that put articles on lighthouses into Category:Landforms of Barnstable County, Massachusetts -- a category, that, I think, should be reserved for bays, islands, peninsulas, mountains, etc.
Hmains also insists on allowing AWB to do its thing, including adding the orphan tag to articles that are only a few hours old, when several editors have asked him/her to turn it off -- Hmains blames AWB for this.
I'd say that 90% of Hmains's edits are solid, but I hate to have to go around cleaning up after another editor. I've generally been able to simply ignore such behavior in other editors, but Hmains is working squarely in my areas of interest (New England, NRHP, Lighthouses), and I hate wasting the time. Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 13:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Orphans:
I have no problem with an orphan tag if the article has zero incoming links, which is what the definition of "orphan" allows. And I certainly agree that Wiki policy on this subject should be set there, not at the NRHP project. All of our articles should have at least one incoming tag -- that from the state, county, or city list, so they should never have an O tag. The discussion with Hmains on this subject was his tagging articles with the O tag when they did have an incoming link or so soon after creation that the link from the list wasn't done. Nonetheless, it hasn't been a problem in a month, so maybe it's moot.
Everything else
How do we proceed? Hmains not only doesn't listen to consensus, he/she thumbs his/her nose at it (including, as noted above, Doncram, Orlady, and Acroterion, two of whom are admins).
Although I'd just as soon Hmains went away and stopped editing altogether, I'm reluctant to drop a bomb. Perhaps if a new voice who happened to be an admin, were to point out that his/her actions qualify for (at the least) removal of AWB privileges, he/she might stop. But if you think the appropriate move is to post it on ANI, then tell me what to say?. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 11:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Hmm.. It would be pretty difficult to program this into it, but I'll take a look at it. Maybe I'll place a catch to only warn the creator if the only editors are them and the CSD tagger. Thanks for letting me know about the problem. - Kingpin13 (talk) 23:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
DYK for William Lawrence House (Bellefontaine, Ohio)
I took an off the cuff trip with my wife to Doylestown, Pennsylvania today - amazing place - if you have a chance you should go see it and spend at least 2 days. The Mercer Museum is especially something - a complete surprise. In any case I got some NRHP photos but have the usual questions on a few of them, which leads to the question above. One odd question - Murcer Home/Museum/Pottery works - 3 separate buildings has 4 NRHP listings. Usual types of questions. 3 buildings on a crossroads and 2 of them are NRHPs - but which ones? And whatever happened to that Pugh building - I'm sure I got a photo of the Pugh building ....
Thanks, Pubdog provided the needed links. I may get carried away with my enthusiasms every once in a while - but essentially tripping over Doylestown was an exciting experience. Smallbones (talk) 19:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC) ps - Is the wiki-gnome on the left any relation?
Reinhardt College Page
Nyttend,
Carsonmc here. Same IP and user is still adding nonnotable person to Reinhardt College page. This is his second attempt at adding non-famous softball player. Can something be done about him. According to his history, this isn't the first page he's adding fake stuff to. 72.152.51.254 (talk) 23:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC) Ugh, wasn't logged in when I typed this. Carsonmc (talk) 23:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the "undo." I knew that I could do that, but wasn't sure if there was more to be done with this user as he seems to be a repeat offender. In the future, however, I'll do the undo. Cheers. ;-) Carsonmc (talk)
Thank you. Good to know. I guess I just thought an admin. had to do that. Will be on the look out. Thanks. Carsonmc (talk)
DYK nomination of St. Augustine's Catholic Church (Napoleon, Ohio)
Hi-Just to let you know, I've re-categorized Half Day, IL onto the template, so that it'll be included in the grouping of the settlements/former settlements of Lake County. --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi- I sure haven't seen that standard practice written anywhere. I'd appreciate it if you could point out the guideline for me, thank you. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The problem is not that it is or is not a neighborhood, the problem is that it should be listed as a former settlement, as the "town" was well known and has a storied history to it. The fact is that "Half Day, Illinois" ceased to exist when it was incorporated into Vernon Hills, and it is recognized more, at least in the local history books and accounts of the annexation, as a former community than a "neighborhood" of Vernon Hills. Since the "neighborhood" statement in the article is unsourced, and I haven't found any sources, as of yet, that actually call it a neighborhood, I'm hoping to find a better opening line for the article. Also, I've not found any guideline to the county templates that is written in stone; even WP:COUNTY refers to their guidelines as "suggestions", not strict rules, so there is room for local variations, as the project recognizes that not all fifty states name or define their settlements in exactly the same way. So, even though standardization of the county templates is fine and good, there should exist enough leeway for minor variations, in reference to former settlements and/or ghost towns. --Funandtrvl (talk) 05:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
How do you rectify then, the GNIS description for Half Day as a populated place? Wouldn't that qualify it for the template? Am I missing something here? --Funandtrvl (talk) 05:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I've changed the wording and added in some details. Does it meet the required length now? Please see here. Thanks. _LDS (talk) 16:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, regarding this, I did check out the GNIS reference after I undid your edit last night. Regardless of the fact that it is no longer listed as a census designated place, that has no bearing on whether it should remain in the navigational template. It may determine the placement of the article in the template, but I think it should still be placed in there. The whole purpose of the template is to provide ease of access to articles about places where people live (even if it was just in the past--such as ghost towns) inside of a county. Killiondude (talk) 17:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I've done some research and I can't find any recent news of Yuba City expanding its city limits, but I did find a PDF explicitly showing the city limits in 2000 (dated, I understand, but I couldn't find anything further) here. I did find in my search a few times where the city had annexed some land north of the city limits, and those news tidbits did say that those areas were getting services from the county rather than the city proper. Judging from that, I'd say that the area of South Yuba City still gets services from the county. Killiondude (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Houserville Site
On March 9, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Houserville Site, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
I have the same atlas; it misplaces Byron to the East of its actual location. This can be verified by looking at Google street view. (I drive this route regularly.) Going by the signs on either end of the hamlet, Byron is closer to (and overlaps) Byron Rd. It begins perhaps a thousand of feet West of Linebaugh Rd. While there is a commercial occupancy and residence on the North and South sides of Dayton YS Rd respectively which are very close to Linebaugh Rd, they are not remotely within the confines of Byron. While Delorme Atlases are good they have many small and medium sized errors on the location of small towns and Township lines, etc. In addition, Byron is on a direct line between Yellow Springs and Fairborn (Dayton-Yellow Springs Rd). Yellow Springs is closer to Byron than is Xenia. Xenia is Southwest of both Byron and Fairborn; describing Byron as _between_ Xenia and Fairborn is not descriptive of the actual situation. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 18:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The photographic evidence contained in Google street view/satellite view clearly disagrees with Delorme's placement of Byron close to Linebaugh Rd. If anything the article should probably not mention Linebaugh as the majority of Byron is clearly shown situated just to the East of Byron Rd. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 02:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why you are labeling the changes as original research. Did you even bother to look at street view/satellite view for area concerned? -- Rydra Wong (talk) 02:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Of course you're correct in your one assertion that my flippant initial response is original research. For that I apologize. Your later assertion regarding perceived innacurices of Google street view also applies to Delorme maps and atlases. If you look at the information in Microsoft's
Bing, you will find that Bing more properly locates Byron. Simply stating that Google and/or Bing
are difficult to cite is less than helpful. Since you are an experienced wikipedian and admin I would appreciate a little help correcting an obvious error. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I will endeavor to find some way to cite what's available or find something in the library that corrects the error. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
As I understand it, Crash Grid Maps are provided by military or civilian airport facilities for areas immediately surrounding the airstrips where a crash might be expected to occur. The 1985 Air Force map I have covers an approximate four county area surrounding Wright-Patterson AFB. There have been a few military mishaps in the area but nothing with residential property damage or loss of life. -- Rydra Wong (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Ethnic categories in Wikimedia Commons
In the course of photographing NRHP sites in Nebraska, I've been finding quite a few associated with a particular ethnic background. It seems that they ought to be put in categories like "X culture in the United States" or "X-American culture". For the most part, however, I'm not finding such categories. There's Category:Polonia in USA and Category:German-American culture, but otherwise I'm not finding much. Am I missing categories for Danes, Swedes, Czechs, etc.? I'm inclined to create categories analogous to the two I've cited; but I get the impression that people are occasionally too casual about creating categories, with the consequence that the category system is a little less consistent and a little more random than we might like. Would greatly appreciate your advice on this—
hello, yes there is freedom of panorama in the uk, these people on here do not seem to understand that, no matter what i do they constantly delete everything, even when referenced, im sick of it to be honest, thanks for helping anyway xxxx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiless--xo (talk • contribs) 21:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Kellys island
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Kelleys Island, Ohio. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Trip advisor on the very home page allows users to enter dates, select a hotel, and make a reservation at thousands of properties (all at a commision to trip advisor) If this is not a violation of the external link policy then I don't know what is. it is CLEARLY a aggregate hotel booking system / website as well as a review website. Your attmepts to allow this to stand as an external link when it is clearly a revenue generating website that excludes those hotels who are not part of its online booking engine. From the home page you can enter dates, location and get prices and re direct to an aggregate on line booking. This is advertising pure and simple and is clealry excluded from the external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.164.201 (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania
I finally made it out to the Museum, and just put up 12 new photos at National Register of Historic Places listings in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. It's quite a page now - covered bridges and trains. Tomorrow I'll look for leftovers in the camera and probably ask the NRHP talk page how to handle these - individual articles? all on the museum page? maybe a multiple listing page? Also will prob contact a train project to see what they might want. Missed a few. Smallbones (talk) 05:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Chesterfield citations
Per Third Opinion, I've added citations in which the book cites. However, I'm not sure I've done it right. Original copies are kept at LDS Church archives, but copies are on microfilm at Family History Center (FHS). I've cited the FHS as the general public can easier get to it and make copies, but I'm not sure... do I cite the web page, microfilm or combination?
I'd like to keep the citations from the book too. Atleast in Utah and Idaho the book is available at the local libraries. It's also available at most major Universities. So, people can get to the book alot easier.Bgwhite (talk) 05:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Nyttend,perhaps you are very uninformed since you don't go to MIT (while I do) and you’re from Ohio but that wikipedia article sited a blatant lie that "100 FPT students full scholarships to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology" and then cited an unreliable reference from a vietnamese amateur news site. I deleted that, how is that vandalism? Maybe you should be a little more professional and do some research. Better yet, use your critical thinking skill.
Yes that was very cool! Congratulations! On a sad note, the Arvin Olin House was torn down yesterday. The silver lining for me is the local newspaper asked for and used one of the pictures I took of it. I was credited for the photo in the print edition of the paper. It's the same picture used in the Portage County NRHP chart. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, it was owned by Akron because of its close proximity to the Akron water supply, which would explain why they were open to having the house moved, but not having someone live in it at its current location, so instead they let it get in such bad shape, tearing it down was the only solution. Just a few thousand feet down Ravenna Road is the Akron Water Treatment Plant and Lake Rockwell. I'd say Akron owns close to 1/4 or maybe even 1/3 of Franklin Township because of the water supply. They also own the adjacent natural lake Lake Pippen, which they don't use for water but restrict access nonetheless. And yes, it personally drives me crazy they own that much land here; this only exemplifies why even more. The only other picture I've had used by another group was one of my shots of the Kent Free Library Carnegie section, which Britannica uses on their Kent article. It's really not that good a shot, but I'm credited nonetheless! --JonRidinger (talk) 19:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Nyttend, for stopping the vandalism......
Nyttend, I appreciate your watchful eye and stopping vandalism/bullying by self-proclaimed "editor"s that sometimes goes on in Wikipedia. This note is to express my thanks. Some of the editors tend to abuse their position and discourage new contributors by deleting their valuable contributions and sometimes by even blocking the newcomers from participating. Thanks for stopping such nonsensical and dysfunctional acts.....Smokeybrain (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
You're quite welcome, but what's the subject? I don't remember meeting you before, so I don't know what you're talking about :-) Nyttend (talk) 19:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
We have met Nyttend. You actually saved my talkpage from being deleted by someone who did not show any professional courtesy of offering explanation (an act of vandalism perhaps?). Therefore you have earned my note of thanks. Keep up the excellent work.Smokeybrain (talk) 02:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah, okay; I'd forgotten. Actually, your userpage did qualify to be deleted: not because anything was wrong with it, but because it had been blanked by the only person who had edited it. The reason I didn't delete it was a bad reason: someone tagged it for deletion for a reason that didn't make sense; if it had been deleted, you would have been free to recreate it. Nyttend (talk) 03:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so much for explaining. Now I understand. The blanking must have happened inadvertently. Your thoughtful action step is well appreciated by me. Thanks and have a great Pi Day today. Smokeybrain (talk) 22:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your edits to the Auchencairn article... Could you please clarify why you believe 'exorcism' is not a suitable description? (Disclaimer: I have no specialist knowledge on this subject and based my edits on the sources listed.) Two of the three sources used for this subsection use the words 'exorcise' or 'exorcising' to describe what is going on and the exorcism article describes it as 'the practice of evicting demons or other spiritual entities from a person or place which they are believed to have possessed'. How does this contradict with what was written?
Cheers, - HelioSmith (talk) 22:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The other source was 'Hugh Patons' History of Auchencairn', first written in 1976, available here and under the 'Ghost Trees' section. As another modern source I guess that the use of exorcism is in a modern context rather than taken as a quote from the historical sources. Im happy to leave it out if there is confusion over its use and meaning. - HelioSmith (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
No worries. I'm quite happy to go with another editors decision when there's good reasoning behind it, and I think in this case it can be taken either way. - HelioSmith (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry i posted in the wrong section!!
Hello yes i'm willing to release the image under free license so it can be used!!! How do i go about doing this?? To be honest I really do not mind who uses my pictures, if anything im happy. Also you say put i am the creator in image description, i have done so may times before, but the image just got deleted?? I must say thankyou for taking time to alert me to what i need to improve on and help me out, some of the best help tips i have actually been given!! Everyone else just deletes!!!! Anyway please let me know how i can release it under free license, etc thanks xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smiless--xo (talk • contribs) 23:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Normally, I don't come off one talkpage and play ping-pong in leaving a message and coming back. But in your case, I will. I just replied on my talkpage. Whenever you reply is where I will keep the conversation. You're doing great work, keep it up!!! --Morenooso (talk) 00:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I just learned a way today to get articles reviewed by other editors. Each of the wikiprojects on the talk page should have a Peer Review page like this one: Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Peer review to get an article up to a FA candidate. The best part is all you have to is put the
{{WP-Arch-peerreview}}
tag at the top of the article talkpage to nominate it for PR. I wonder if you could do that for multiple wikiprojects? Cheers! --Morenooso (talk) 20:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Shugo Chara egg!
Just to let you know that Shugo Chara egg! has been speedy deleted several times at Shugo Chara Egg!, which has been salted. If you think the article doesn't qualify as a speedy deletion, then it should be moved under the correct name. —Farix (t | c) 15:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
An introduction to another user
Wow, talk about coincidences (this same comment is being put on your talkpages), Nyttend complimented me about one Catholic related article and then Eagle4000 complimented me on another. To tell you the truth, I've very little other visit both your articles and done some minor edits. Nyttend has a couple of articles that might be considered eventually for GA status but needs an objective third-party copyeditor. Eagle4000 has those skills and might be able to help. In turn, Nyttend has good edit skills too and perhaps could lend a hand to Eagle4000's articles. Both of you can see my comments on my talkpage where I listed some wikilinks for GA resources. St. John the Baptist Catholic Church (Maria Stein, Ohio) and Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia both will improve if you two users collaborate. --Morenooso (talk) 20:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you
I wasn't inclined at first to break out the J.W. Knapp Company Building as a separate article, as I was concerned about notability issues without the building and company articles being together, and was trying to figure out how to get the whole thing to 5X expansion for DYK without padding the article with useless information as filler. Your solution solved the problem and got the breakout to DYK. Thanks for the assist. Fladrif (talk) 20:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Man, that came back to me in a hurry. Here is a PD image that came from a state or goverment photographer which is in the Getty Museum collection:
You can see its permissions more than 70 years ago which is the trigger. It's possible that an old image like this exists of the cave in some collection. --Morenooso (talk) 04:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
BTW, I send you and Eagle4000 an improvement section on the SJtBCC and what do you guys do? A Jedi edit and building of eccleasiatic provinces (I think he's been on that one for awhile BUT that shows you how I backtrack like a bloodhound. And then, you go and nominate a cave for GA. What did I set loose in you?
I think this church compares better and it is in Ohio too:
One of Eagle4000's articles has been nominated for deletion. I placed some suggested improvements on its talkpage. If you can help, this Marine needs you. --Morenooso (talk) 19:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, I have what I need from it; I would be appreciative if you could delete the page now. The prodder was right, it's mostly garbage. bahamut0013wordsdeeds01:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Holy Family Catholic Church (Frenchtown, Ohio)
I removed the word "surrounding" preceding "township" from the description of The Village of Richfield. You restored it, saying, "The map disagrees with you."
Richfield Township is located to the west of the village. It is also located to the east of the village. Brecksville borders the village to the north, and Bath Township borders the village to the south.
I suppose the village is "surrounded" by the township in the same respect that the Isthmus of Panama is "surrounded" by ocean.
I hope that we'll come to some agreement, as I will continue to add to this and other pages. If there is something factually incorrect (rather than something you may personally find offensive), I welcome your comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DukDukGuus (talk • contribs) 12:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Grand Lake St. Marys Lighthouse
I've been working my way through two lists of NRHP sites -- locomotives and lighthouses. I think that most lighthouse enthusiasts would tend to ignore a light on a small shallow lake as a gimmick and, of course, it doesn't have the two standard refs available -- (Light List, Volumes 1-7. United States Coast Guard. 2009. and "Historic Light Station Information and Photography: Ohio". United States Coast Guard Historian's Office. Archived from the original on 2017-05-01.). I'm much more inclined to finish the red NRHP lights on the coasts and the NRHP locomotives first, but get me a photo and some info and I'll write a stub, at least. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 12:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
DYK for St. Remy's Catholic Church
On March 15, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Remy's Catholic Church, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
You're the one who happened to set up that redirect, a while ago. I can't move because it requires admin privileges.
Oregon was just my recent typo. The Ohio one plus a Southington, Connecticut one both are now mentioned on Charles Woodruff House dab page. I may create article for Southington one or create a redirect to an article section for it, if i find it is included in Southington Historic District.
I see you;ve been involved with some of his articles on . I have opened a discussion about his contributions at WP:BLPN at [17]. I need to apologize--I am working primarily on other things and need to rely on you to follow it. (If you want to revert my G10 deletion & just remove the unsourced part, please feel free--I would regard it as entirely appropriate, as long as another admin such as yourself is taking the responsibility. DGG ( talk ) 00:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Re: March, 2010
Hi, my edit to the Cook County, Il template was intentional. Arlington Heights does not have portions located in any other county. I should know, as I used to live very close to Arlington Heights. Let me know your thoughts. --Matt319 (talk) 02:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I would respectfully suggest you take a look at the Lake County, Illinois article. It does not list Arlington Heights at all. Again, I lived much of my life one town away from Arlington Heights so I know quite a bit about this. Thank you. --Matt319 (talk) 01:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I saw that you corrected my bridge mistake. That's what happens when you let an amateur edit the encyclopedia. Should I add it to the correct Township, or do you think it's tacky? ;) Strangersound (talk) 04:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Giving you a notice that I mentioned you in a comment. If you wish to give input, that is up to your judgment about what is best. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for deleting File:Blessy.jpg. For your information, I've been going through the Files for Deletion category, to find the pages which don't have an open discussion, and deal with them appropriately. I have found the following categories:
Files where Twinkle had removed the nomination with a subsequent one - these I merely place the nomination on the current day's page, with a short explanation of what happenned.
Files tagged by their uploader - these can be deleted under CSD G7.
Incomplete closures (usually keep) - I complete the colsures.
Taggings where the reason can be found either in the edit summary or in a parameter of the tag - these I nominate properly. This is the full story with File:Blessy.jpg.
All others - I simply remove the tag, and notify the tagger.
disruptive editing (Bertrand, Nebraska) from 66.37.250.190
Please accept my apologies. That address (66.37.250.190) is a public-facing IP at the company at which I am a network administrator. I am attempting to track down the employee who did this. -Doug Deden 66.37.250.190 (talk) 22:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
User:Teneuesbooks/teNeues, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Teneuesbooks/teNeues and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Teneuesbooks/teNeues during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
When did User space become an acceptable location for advertising? In addition, the User has been blocked for a User name concern. Woogee (talk) 06:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Talkback
First of all, your talk page is really long. Ever consider archiving? And also,
I have been following the AfD discussion on Inventory proportionality. The article author (and main contributor) stated on the page that they think the article should be merged with an article on Inventory Management. Is my logic appropriate to userfy this page? If so, can we close this early? I am new to the AfD process, since most of my time here has been reverting vandals. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches, Pt. II
Nice photos! It looks like you've been getting decent photography weather. We haven't had much of that in eastern Nebraska lately. Of course, I've got a ton of pictures to edit and upload, so that's no excuse for my inactivity-- I hit the Wayne, Nebraska HD on a couple of sunny days, and have something like seventy pictures to go through.
Looking at your photos and descriptions also reminds me that I need to start putting map coordinates in mine...
Glad to hear about the driver's license; hope that the condition that produced the medical disability is improving.
Good-looking grass on the PB Rectory photo. Ours is still pretty brown; I'm holding off on a few photos until the background looks a bit better. Also eagerly awaiting the equinox, after which I'll be able to get morning sunlight on north sides of things.
I've just got a cheap little tripod; can't remember how much I paid for it, but it's got thin wobbly legs and wouldn't be much good for, say, outdoor pictures on a windy day. However, it was essential for my indoor pictures at St. Leonard's, and I expect to use it for more indoor shots.
As far as holding the camera level goes, I must have some kind of inner-ear condition, because my photos are consistently off. I've got to where I routinely rotate them one degree counterclockwise in the course of editing. One degree doesn't sound like a lot, but on a lot of my unedited photos, the building looks like it's about to topple over.
Hi Nyttend -- Although you and i work together compatibly and productively for the vast majority of our editing, there are a few NRHP list article formatting issues about which your edits are undoing mine and vice versa.
Relatedly, what can be covered in the NRHP row in one county list-article, for a place that spans into two jurisdictions. Such as brought up by this edit removing a pic from a West Virginia list-article. There's a philosophical issue i guess, about whether the item covers the NRHP property, or only the portion in a given county.
And the temporary use of the photo column to indicate a HABS pic is shortly going to be added, which came up for at least one CT county list-article.
And i wonder if there are more formatting issues, which all are minor in the grand scheme, but perhaps irritating. I wonder about how we might resolve these so that your edits don't undo mine and vice versa. I don't want to just argue with you, because I think you and i might both have pretty firmly held views. Perhaps we could accumulate, here, or somewhere else, a list of specific pages / issues, and eventually seek wider comment? What i do want to avoid is the repetitive deletion of work and the sense of contention that builds up and can demoralize everyone involved. I'll watch here for your reply. --doncram (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Following up, i see you returned to the Pinal County article to restore your version, rather than replying to me here. And that you made some other formatting changes, in this pair of edits. I'm sorry, but i am mildly irritated, as i did open this discussion here. I wonder, are you intending to make this more difficult, by adding in other minor changes deliberately, so that it is harder to restore the change that I had implemented? In another article you just reverted an edit i had made by arguing ur edit had good formatting changes as well as relating to a source. I don't know if that is a tactic or just coincidence, but your adding multiple non-essential changes to an article under question, seems unhelpful. It puts me in the position of having to concede all, or to revert argumentatively back and revert all. I hope that it is not deliberate to escalate the disagreement. My main question here, anyhow, is how would you like to proceed to address these differences of opinion. Do you want to discuss them or is it your intention to hang tough in the article editing, and communicate only by edit summaries. --doncram (talk) 03:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Another one reverted of the same type, from List of RHPs in Phoenix, reverted in this edit. I notice this has effect of making linked Google/Bing maps show 3 places named "Concrete Block House" identically. They do show all three places though, within 2 blocks of each other; it turns out it is not as bad an effect as if only 1 of the 3 were shown. However i'd prefer to have them labelled differently in the google map and in the list-article, with clarifying disambiguation displaying as far as necessary to give them distinct names. --doncram (talk) 22:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Whether and how the principal cities in a state can be mentioned in state-wide NRHP list-article. Such as i had implemented, and was reverted later the same day, for List of RHPs in MN. Here i didn't realize my edit had been reverted, until after i just now added links for Minneapolis and St. Paul a different way. I thought my previous effort had failed to take, like the edit was lost because that page size is so big. Should this one be discussed at the Talk page there? Or is it more general, i suppose it is if you have been removing mentions of cities that readers are likely to be looking for, from other state list-articles, too. Frankly, it is a pain to open a different window and look up St. paul to find out what county it is in, when i am looking for it. --doncram (talk) 22:34, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
And I see you returned in this edit to revise the Natchitoches Parish list-article to revert me again, now with edit label "(Undo, because the official names don't include the community names, and anyone can see that a house in Robeline and a house in Natchitoches are different houses)". Actually, i don't agree. How would a reader know whether there are two different places, or whether for some reason wikipedia editors create two entries for a single property that extends over a property line? If you show two different article names by using the disambiguating expression, then that better conveys that there are (or can be) two separate articles for two separate places.
Nyttend, in that edit you stripped out both the parenthetical display of "Robeline" and "Natchitoches" from the displayed names for the places, and also you stripped it out of labels to appear in the Google/Bing maps. I particularly don't understand your doing the latter. That makes it harder for readers of the maps to identify that there are 2 places, and which corresponds to which list-article entry. I wonder, is your disagreement with me really about both displays or just the list-article entry and not abut the map display. If we could identify and reduce the scope of disagreement that would be helpful before taking this to some larger forum.
I wonder, can you agree you and I have some difference in taste here, but that there are not absolute Wikipedia policies or guidelines that specifically govern? Or maybe there are relevant guidelines that we could identify. I wonder if we could isolate out points of disagreement, arguments for and against each way, and quantify the extent of the issue, and then bring it up in some neutral way to seek others' opinions. I would want to get opinions of some featured list reviewers and others outside of wikiproject NRHP; it applies more generally. I don't like to find myself feeling dragged into edit warring. Your way is not better IMO, and your edit summaries are not convincing me.
Instead of, or in addition to, changing what i have edited in these cases, could you please identify them here, towards setting up an efficient discussion involving others. I don't want to feel that I need to watch your edits in order to detect changes in these ways. As a courtesy to me, where we have the apparent difference in taste, could you please note the cases here, or suggest some other way to proceed. Could you please give some indication of whether you will cooperate in this way? Sincerely, --doncram (talk) 16:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
You deleted Opoku Afriyie-Asante under WP:CSD#A7 (no claim of significance). But it seems to me that "founded the
National Association of Programmers (Ghana)" and "President of One Laptop per Child Corps Ghana" are clims of significnace. More would be needed at an AfD, But I think this passes the bar for A7. I ask you to consider undeleting it. DES(talk)03:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I added information about members of the band the Lillingtons being notable residents of the town Newcastle, Wyoming. You deleted it, so I added the names of the specific members, and you deleted it again, writing something to the effect of "bands can't be residents." I agree that a band can't be a resident, but it's members can, and these members have made fairly significant musical achievements. The only thing I can think of doing in addition is making a page for each member, and having that page redirect to the band page, but that seems a little unnecessary since I put a link to the band page in the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJ Steamboat (talk • contribs) 00:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
IOOF Opera House
Perhaps the garbage can is a contributing structure. I should've checked the contents: it might have been full of Peruna bottles and Bryan campaign flyers.
Congrat'ns on the acquisition of the tripod. It sounds like you got a decent one. Mine, as I said, is kind of flimsy, but that's fine for indoor pictures. I'm thinking about trying to shoot an ethanol plant after dark, and in that case I'll probably have to wait for a windless night.
I assume that sites that were once listed but have since been removed still meet the WP notability standard; after all, if an article had already been written, I don't suppose it would have been deleted upon the site's delisting. Of course, as an editor of nearly six months' seniority, I've got no business advising you on such matters. I haven't done any now-delisted sites myself, but probably would if I happened on one. In fact, there's one I'm not sure about: the ZCBJ hall in Clarkson, Colfax County. According to the Nebraska State Historical Society, it's a valid site; but the Elkman tool says possibly-delisted. The next time I'm in Clarkson with good light, I intend to photograph it whether it's really listed or not.
Rotten light these past few days. Have been editing pictures and working on articles.
Sympathize re. shooting from the north. In the dead of winter, I was using cloudy days to photograph north-facing buildings; but with the equinox upon us, I'm saving those for a month or so from now, when there's light in the north in the early morning and late evening. Of course, the other thing cloudy days are good for is buildings surrounded by leafless trees; I'm not at all happy about the tree shadows on buildings in pictures like Commons:Category:Segelke building.
You're quite right about foliage—if you look at one of my latest additions, Commons:Catgory:Dawson County Courthouse (Nebraska), you can see what a time I had trying to shoot the front facade, which has two large conifers in front. At least with deciduous trees, there's a season of the year when you can see the building from the road.
The Segelke building was actually not too bad because of the red brick. However, I've got pictures of several buildings that I'm holding back in the hope of shooting them on a cloudy day, or even with full foliage. The trouble is that the dapped shade tends to camouflage them; especially in thumbnails, you have to squint to see that there's a building there at all.
Nice picture of the Elida round barn. I agree with you about the tree shadow-- it helps to define the shape a bit. I think it helps that the building has nice strong high-contrast lines (e.g. the line between the white walls and the brown roof).
I looked through the NRHP paperwork and it does use name Marion Bridge, but the NRHP appears to be the only thing that actually uses that name. The builders plaque on the bridge from 1930 listed the name as Albert Gallatin Memorial Bridge (see [18]). Point Marion Bridge is also commonly used by the media ([19][20][21][22]) and PennDOT ([23][24][25]) when referring to the structure. We have a case here where there was an error in completing the NRHP paperwork. Brian Powell (talk) 18:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar-Star Plate
It's taken me awhile, but I think I've got the barnstar-star anchor thing down and well illustrated. Please take a look at Barnstar.
With all due respect - and a lot is due - I noticed above that you are having some difficulties with Doncram. I won't butt in except to say that if 2 wonderful editors like yourself and Doncram can't work things out, then Wikipedia is doomed. On a slightly more personal level (based on personal experience that is), Arlington Heights, Illinois is about 4 miles south of Lake County, Illinois and surrounded by many other municipalities. Even the government can make mistakes sometimes!
Hi Nyttend,
Thank you very much.
As you may argued I am not that kind of spammer and I have used my own user (registered years ago) to post the page.
Strangely on Wikipedia IT they removed the page quickly so much that I had noticed only after it was already done.
I wrote to the italian administrators in order to have a kind discussion on this issue.
Thank you very much for your answer,
and sure, I will write on this talk page if needed.
Hi Nyttend. I know that BLP is not specifically your domain, but from a purely technical aspect i wonder if you'd mind having a look at Wikipedia talk:Sticky prod policy#Length of time before deletion
After no movement on this thread for nearly five days we suddenly get four postings within one minute (somtimes less) of each other, all expressing exactly the same opinion. Seems rather odd to me. What do you make of it?--Kudpung (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The article Mummy Cave you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Mummy Cave for things which need to be addressed. Jappalang (talk) 07:24, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll have a whack at the list - it looks like these are all things we can fix relatively easily. Thanks to Jappalang for the review. Acroterion(talk)12:06, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I have several ideas.
Have you tried contacting Alexrk, the creator of the map? He contributed on the German Wikipedia yesterday and posts to his talk page there in English sometimes, so he might be able to help by providing his sources.
If need be, could the template use File:Wyoming Locator Map.PNG instead? I made it from US Census maps and it has a better source (and I can provide more details if needed).
Not directly related to the map, but have you tried emailing the authors of the paper published by the National Park Service to see if they would be able to release some images under a free license?
Mummy Cave has passed GA; thanks for nominating it and pushing for its expansion in the first place and its improvement in the second place. Acroterion(talk)22:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello, today I suggested to the creator of Alphonse Gallegos that he nominate it for DYK as an important event on March 24, 2010 occurs and is cited in this article - Bishop Gallegos' body will be re-interred. Here is what I wrote. My time is limited today as I have appointments that will prevent me from following up on this. As I told RFD that nomination form makes me feel like The Lone Ranger. Thanks in advance. --Morenooso (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Nytend I see you have been called out to explain why other search engine and hotel booking sites such as orbitz. travelocity etc should not be included as external links as you have reverted edits to remove trip advisor. Perhaps if you were not so heavy handed in your edits and answered the direct questions that were presented to you in discussion you might fine a little more support. Otherwise I would lean to supporting the deletion of Trip Advisor once unprotected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.173.168 (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
I answered objections by pointing out why they were irrelevant: for example, we don't do anything on the basis of other websites' policies. Nyttend (talk) 02:43, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Nytend, I am referring to the external links policy of WIKIPEDIA. The voilation in question is the fact that trip advisor is a third party booking service such as is Orbitz, Travelocity, Expedia etc. Please answer the question that has been proposed which is if you are going to allow a website in the external links that allows a customer to book at any number of hotels from it's main page, are you condoning adding other sites that allow and do the exact same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.193.77 (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
This link does not necessarily violate our external links policy. Are you the same person who kept removing it? If so, you're apparently using multiple IP addresses (presumably you have a dynamic IP address), so I didn't realise that the previous question was by the same person who removed the link based on Wikitravel policies and who copied a large segment of copyrighted text without permission. Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. For example, the mobile phone article does not link to web pages that mostly promote or advertise cell-phone products or services.
Trip Advisor specifically exits to sell traveler hotel rooms and provide undocumented commentary about hotels, cruises travel etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.193.77 (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
While there are many useful links that also are advertising, Trip Advisor's own self described business model states it's existence and format was designed to create traffic thru consumer reviews thus creating a web site where people will pay to advertise. Virtually every page features revenue generating advertising, and encourages the visitor to shop or purchase some form of travel.
The web site is owned by as publicly traded company who's sole source of income is from web sites such as these. Clearly, it has no place on Wikipedia. If the addition of this web site were permitted, the addition of Travelocity, Expedia, Hotels.com, etc would be sure to follow ad nauseam on every city.
You're essentially what's known as a single-purpose account; because you've done almost nothing except arguing this point, I'm continuing to think more and more that you're attempting to spam the encyclopedia in reverse, by deleting a link to a competitor's website. This is a useful link for this specific article, and if we removed every link to every website that is maintained as the primary source of income from its company, we'd lose a lot of useful links. Nyttend (talk) 13:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Regrettably, your argument is without merit. Thus the link has ben deleted. Please either answer the questions in dispute or stop vandalizing the page. If we need to involve an admin with a neutral viewpoint, the lets do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.193.77 (talk) 03:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Holding you accountable for your placing of links on an article that violate the external link policy is not harassment. I am sorry if you feel it came across that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.193.77 (talk) 12:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Try being sorry for your own actions, rather than mine; the use of this kind of link is common practice on Wikipedia by established editors, as is the removal of links by users of unknown reputation who turn out to be connected with competitors of the links' operators. You need to be careful to interpret policy by common practice of established editors. Nyttend (talk) 12:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I am neither affiliated nor connected to any entity in this article, Yet if I were, the rules and polices regarding external links would still be the same. If the use of hotel aggregate booking engines (which has been explained to you before) were the norm, then we would see all websites that offer paid advertising and offer thousands of hotels to book from added (spammed) to literally every city article.
The fact you are a self described "established editor" does not make you above the guidelines set forth in the external links article. I hardly see how trip advisor would be a competing link to any individual hotel. Please explain your comment.
Also please explain why if your position that trip advisor is in fact a accepted source, why Travelocity, Orbitz, Expedia, etc would not?
I had invited in your talk section for perhpas an admin to join in the discussion but I see you have deleted my comments. is there a reason we cannot get some independant input? I would in fact lean favorably to adding all of the like kind sites as trip advisor such as travelocity, expedia to promote the cities I follow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.193.77 (talk) 23:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't dispute that Killearn and Southwood are neighbourhoods, but they seem to be a cut above the normal subdivision (especially in the case of the latter), and I'd think they'd merit some kind of recognition. - The Bushranger (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks for the offer with help on any DYK articles. I like your articles about the Land of the Tipped Crosses in Ohio. Royalbroil started an article about the Holy Land region in Wisconsin. The 2 areas are similiar.-RFD (talk) 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
multiple reversions
Hey Nyttend, I am not enjoying the feeling of our otherwise longterm productive editing relationship going downhill. I asked you in a discussion thread above whether you would cooperate in identifying points of disagreement on some pretty minor formatting issues, and to clarify the issues prior to getting some other opinions, but I am noticing more reversions by you of my edits, such as this one for Avioyelles Parish. Would you please discuss. Do you want to cooperate in identifying and clarifying issues, or are we going into edit warring. I don't like to head down that road with you. Please discuss. --doncram (talk) 01:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for commenting at my talk page by this edit. I think you and I are going to disagree about what's best, overall, and need to seek other opinions. Towards that, would you agree to help list out points of difference in a convenient form, rather than merely reverting my work. I think we have differences of philosophy here, and neither of us is going to be clearly "right" in our thinking, in the opinion of all others. So, i would hope we could cooperate to identify and clarify the issues. Will you agree to cooperate in that by listing the issues here or what. I don't want to have to review through all your contributions to see where you might be slipping in a reversion of my work. Please, let's be more cooperative than that.
Perhaps we could narrow down our differences, as well. To clarify, do you want to disagree about what displays in the Google/Bing maps links, too. That seems more obvious to me that showing different names there is important, as there are not other fields of information available for readers to see. So if a reader is looking for one site, and clicks on the map, and then sees a place of the non-distinctive name, the reader does not get any hint this is possibly the wrong place, not the one they intended to see. Does that make some difference to you? --doncram (talk) 01:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I see you reverted my work again with this edit on Avoyelles Parish, in which you included an argument in an edit summary. I think that arguing by comments in edit summaries is really wasteful of our efforts. It is really inefficient for getting other people's views about the legitimacy of arguments. Could you agree to stating your arguments centrally about all the similar cases, instead of arguing by edit summaries. Please don't think I am dismissing your opinions; i am trying to ask you to cooperate in having a general discussion to consensus, not to give in on what are your opinions. But, I don't like having my work reverted, as does no one probably, and I would appreciate the courtesy of cooperation on this. --doncram (talk) 01:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Nyttend, I notice you are returning to revert more of these to your way. For example, this edit. I did just revert that. I don't know what to do, in order to have a productive editing relationship with you. It seems unhelpful and unfriendly and perhaps insulting to me, for you to edit my edit that way. I do notice that you seem to be conceding part of the distance, relative to your previous position, in that your edit did not force the Google map link part to change. You and/or others could assert that my reverting your edit is combative, too. Lines get blurred quickly. But, honestly, I am trying to advance some discussion and sorting out of the scope and nature of the issue, prior to asking others for input and for achievement of a consensus. And i have invested somewhat in trying to create discussion, and to list items, and I can do more, and I would work cooperatively if you will, to properly raise this issue which seems important to you. I do resent seeing my watchlist light up with you reverting my work. Why not list out the examples and discuss, and CEASE with the combative edits. I have enjoyed what I thought was a productive, mutually respectful editing relationship with you overall. It's as if you are asserting you've discussed as much as you care to, and you disrespect my opinion, and you just want to get your way. Is that your intention, or what? I hate getting dragged down like this. --doncram (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Hawaii example too
I noticed and just reverted your edit at the Hawaii NRHP list-article. Hey, Nyttend, as you know the topic is under discussion at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Hawaii. I think it does not advance the discussion for one participant to make what seems like a combative edit during the discussion. I know you also just posted a comment there, thanks for that, but your posting one comment does not seem to me like entitling you to then force your way in the article. So, I hope you don't consider my reversion of your edit to be combative back. I am not trying to get my way by putting in my preferred version; in fact I am supportive of your view on this, but just think it is premature. I am trying to further discussion at the Talk page and achievement of a real consensus there, first. As with some other cases, this is one where forcing a move interferes with discussion and causes more work, as other edits come in and the change intersects with them, IMO. --doncram (talk) 16:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Pennsylvania Legislative Routes
FYI, Pennsylvania eliminated the Legislative Route system in 1987 and replaced it with the Location Reference System which uses the 4-digit State Routes. Legislative Route numbers are no longer used anywhere; they have been supplanted by the Location Reference SR xxxx numbers in PennDOT records and in the field. PennDOT's historical county maps from 1990 at [26] show both numbers. As you can see in the newer revisions, when the maps were changed over to GIS-generated, the LRs are gone and only the SRs are shown. Brian Powell (talk) 02:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Please undelete the message so I may write something about the importance.
I will do it in a few hours (about 23:00 it)
P.S. The copyright issue has already been solved
--Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Ref the page you deleted
Nyttend,
I am trying to set up a new page (under my User initially)
You have deleted the following disambiguation page.
I thought I was safe with it under my user page?
16:09, 27 March 2010 Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted "Luckycharm1/Nickky Miller (disambiguation)" (R3: Recently-created, implausible redirect)
Please tell me why, I am having a tough time learning, but with deletions happening, it is even tougher.
Thanks in advance.
Luckycharm1 (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
St. James Settlement ( Hong Kong)
I am confused as the page is eliminated for being insignificant.
The non-governmental organization takes an important role in Hong Kong to raise awareness toward the minority in need, especially the elderly and the disabled.
Me and my friends started the page to try to make it known to more people.
We are still working on adding more information to the page from various sources.
We would be grateful if you can reactivate the page so we can improve it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2009578969laichukman09 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Opinion
Hey Nyttend...was wondering if I could get your opinion. Amazingly it has nothing to do with the Akron, Ohio article! I was recently asked for some help from an editor on the Stephens City, Virginia page and in looking over it discovered not only a *massive* amount of detail (particularly for a town of less than 2,000 people) but the entire history section minus the very very end was completely copied from the main source. I removed it as a copyvio but the editor I was talking with replaced it because it has an OTRS ticket with the stipulation that ALL of it be used. You can see what the other editor and I have been discussing here, so you can see my opinion. As an admin and an experienced editor, what do you think? As always I appreciate any insight you can provide to me or the other editor. He's willing to work together but doesn't seem to be grasping the bigger picture here about the purpose of articles and the various levels of importance and notability each one has. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Ref my disambiguation page you kindly restored for me
Nyttend,
Discospinster has yet again now MOVED my disambiguation page.
Ref :
17:54, 27 March 2010 Discospinster (talk | contribs) moved Luckycharm1/Nickky Miller (disambiguation) to User:Luckycharm1/Nickky Miller (disambiguation) [without redirect] (User page mistakenly created in article space)
16:44, 27 March 2010 Nyttend (talk | contribs) restored "Luckycharm1/Nickky Miller (disambiguation)" (2 revisions restored: I wasn't paying attention; this was disingenuous on the part of the nominator)
16:09, 27 March 2010 Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted "Luckycharm1/Nickky Miller (disambiguation)" (R3: Recently-created, implausible redirect)
How on earth do I NOW use something to get to where discospinster put it. The template 'otherpeople' just says that the page has been deleted ... there is another link there, but I have no idea how to replace the template 'otherpeople' ..
Just trying to learn, but you guy's really are making it hard.
I asked but have had no reply from her.
I'm disappointed that you pulled the PROD on the article. Could you indicate which sources you found that describe the building pictured as employing a specific "elevated building foundation" technology, and can you find any such sources which don't have links to Valentin Shustov? For the Glendale Municipal Services Building, the linked PDF (under the image on the right) doesn't use that phrase anywhere in the 41-page document. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:05, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't dispute that the pictures show an elevated building foundation, in the sense that the building foundation is elevated. What I'm not seeing is how we should be treating 'elevated building foundation' as a specific, encyclopedic, recognized, technical term of art. Wikipedia has an article on automobiles, but we don't have an article on blue automobiles. I'm not sure that having pictures of a building on piers (which, incidentally, are both of the same building) means that we need to have an article on the particular thematic variation.
My particular concerns arise because Shustov (before he was banned) had a history of using Wikipedia for self-promotion. The term 'elevated building foundation' is his own, and he actually tried to patent it a few years ago. He was the only person ever to edit or to link to the article; I find those signs very worrying. Further, he did something similar with his Earthquake Protector (patent application). TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Stupid buildingStupid buildingShall we ask TenOfAllTrades(talk) to explode that stupid building on the elevated building foundation with that Shustov in it? He would love it, you bet! Shu0010 (talk) 23:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Squier and Davis files
Here's a few more, some already have articles, a few more could really use one or one of their own. Will do more when I have the time, cheers! Heironymous Rowe (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Re: Mar 27
By "we", I meant a few other users working on the same page and I.
So, if I understood you correctly, we would be able to have the page of the organization under the condition that we re-write the content enough. We did obtain our information from the website the organization, especially when we include content like vision and mission of the organization. To respect the copyright regulation, should we rewrite the whole page, into one that is not similar to the organization website, after we digest the content?
Hi there - top flight football in New Zealand is not professional. New Zealand only has one professional club, the Wellington Phoenix, which competes in the Australian A-League. So this guy has never played at a fully professional level. Anyway, this was just a courtesy, I'll take it to AfD in the next day or so. Cheers --Mkativerata (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, the text is about a quarter the way down the page, starting with "The Molesworths had eight sons and five daughters." The article has altered a few pronouns, etc., to put the focus on this 2nd Viscount, which might be why you didn't find it if you CTRL-F'd, but it's far closer than what you could even call a close paraphrase; almost all of it is a word-for-word copy. Glenfarclas (talk) 05:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Saintpolroux
Hello. Here it says that this user uploaded a file by that name, but it was deleted because there was no source information. Google Translate is an excellent tool if you want to read the rest. The article on FR has an image that seems to be more legally legitimate. Any questions, let me know. Oreo Priesttalk15:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Source link rot
Hi, i constantly bump into files like this File:Nobslogo.png that suffer from source link rot, commons haves a partial solution in the form of flickr review where administrators check the source and marked it as verified so even if the link goes dead or the license changes there is still the admin review that proves it was ok at some point. I want to propose the creation of a policy and process say "Media source review", so how do i go about doing that?--IngerAlHaosului (talk) 15:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, you declined the deletion nomination of the image pointing to the French image page as a source. However, the French page was deleted in October 2009 with the comment "Image sans source". Should I list the image for deletion discussion or is that sufficiently "unsoury" ;) ? Best Hekerui (talk) 15:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
How blind am I! And let me tell you, I remember for a split-second that appeared familiar, but I had Ctrl-C copied the file name and not thought about it more. Excuses... :) Anyway, I listed the image at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2010 March 30. Thanks for leaving a note for me on my talk. Hekerui (talk) 15:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Jay and Jack image
Why did you remove the Jay and Jack image there was no need to do that it did not violate copyright the image was uploaded by the owner of the content —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelkirschner (talk • contribs) 15:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Are you able to easily tell me how many of my deleted contributions are from CSD tags I put on articles? If it isn't easy, don't worry about it. CTJF83chat03:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Since you're good at noting speedy taggings in your edit summaries, it's not too hard. Looking through your 1,679 deleted contributions, I found 452 edits that included the phrase "speedy deletion" in the summaries. Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you twinkle...I use to just edit summary SD, I'm guessing a lot of the others are AfDs? No need to count, kind of a rhetorical question. Thanks for your help, CTJF83chat03:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Many are, but many others are edits to since-deleted articles, and there are many since-deleted images that you've edited or uploaded. Nyttend (talk) 03:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Actually, it's complete; "a pair of pig houses was not a sufficient development to change the nature of an area; the centre of the Gillingham case had been a commercial dock, which was." Ironholds (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
. Thanks for looking at my questions -- I pushed back a little in Colorado, which see. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 22:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of St. Augustine's Catholic Church (Napoleon, Ohio) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Materialscientist (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
You can see its permissions more than 70 years ago which is the trigger. It's possible that an old image like this exists of the cave in some collection. --Morenooso (talk) 04:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
from St. Rose Church (Cincinnati, Ohio) which is also on the NRHP. --Morenooso (talk) 07:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Mummy Cave for things which need to be addressed. Jappalang (talk) 07:24, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
![[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Immaculate_Conception_Catholic_Church,_Celina.jpg){kind=link}
![[18]](http://www.post-gazette.com/multimedia/thumbs/2009/10/Plaque.jpg){kind=link}
