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[edit]Hi, this is to let you know that I have mentioned your name at WP:AN/I#Concern_about_administrative_conduct_on_deletion_request in connection with an incident you were involved in. --JN466 18:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know about this. I did not think it was a problem to take things off my own talk page, especially since anyone who wants to can check the history. I had added some wording to the est page that was accurately sourced in two reliable publications, but I didn't add the quotes to indicate it was the exact language. I was really taken aback by the accusation of plagiarism and copyright violation without any discussion of how to include my input to improve the article. I felt like I was being attacked. I didn't go back to making any more edits on the est page after that, and I edited my talk page because I didn't like the vitriol of Cirt's comments sitting there.--MLKLewis (talk) 20:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- I sympathise. Per Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Others.27_comments (see the last point: "Personal talk page cleanup"), you are well within your rights to archive or delete posts from your own user talk page. --JN466 20:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Jack Rosenberg, you may be blocked from editing. -- Cirt (talk) 20:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
WE Edits, July 2011
[edit]Hello MLK - I think that many of your recent edits to a number of est related articles have been balanced and appropriate. Sensei48 (talk) 00:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Werner Erhard (book). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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[edit]MLKLewis, note that I have referred to your current dispute here. (This is without prejudice to the appropriateness or otherwise of your content edits.) --JN466 15:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
MLK, would you have citation data for the two reviews you mentioned on the Werner Erhard (book) talk page a few weeks ago? Cheers, --JN466 19:19, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I do. I also responded on the talk page at Werner Erhard (Book) - Psychology Today - "How Werner Got It", by Morris B. Parloff, Psychology Today, November 1978. p. 136. and the Gale: "William Warren Bartley, III," Contemporary Authors Online. Detroit: Gale 2001. Literature Resource Center. - Thanks --MLKLewis (talk) 01:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Doing my research and finding articles such as this about the film, I used that source and others to improve the article.. turning the original unsourced stub into a decent C-class article. I invite you to The Diary of Sacco and Vanzetti to see if the changes from this to THIS meet your concerns toward the original's lack of content and sources. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:59, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Deletion review for How Much Can We Boost IQ and Scholastic Achievement?
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[edit]Hi MLK - I know you're interested in Erhard articles and saw your rv on the OT section of the article on the book today. David Apter and I are trying to hammer out some improvements to the contents section - our discussion is on the Talk page and I thought you might like to weigh in if you hadn't seen it yet. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi MLK - I noted your reversion of the word "controversial" to the lede of the Erhard article and your edit summary that it doesn't belong there. I still don't understand your rv. That Erhard is controversial is a simple and unslanted fact, and it is a significant aspect of his "notability" and has been almost from the beginning of his public career. Since the point is sourced, I think you need more of a justification to remove it. However - I am not undoing your rv because it seems proper to discuss such a change here with you first. I was contemplating doing a total re-write of the lede to bring it more into line with the dual aspects of E's career but thought that the simple addition of the word "controversial" was probably sufficient for the moment. However,without it, the lede is not sufficiently factually balanced to present an overview of E and the article, and I think we'll have to begin the laborious process of rewriting the opening accurately in a manner that upon which and other editors can agree. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello Sensei. I removed the word because it simply doesn't belong there. He is not a controversial author. He has written quite a bit of work and none of it is controversial. In fact, there haven't been any controversies surrounding Erhard in several decades. This should be an encyclopedic article about a living man and his body of work, and should be written conservatively, with regard to doing no harm. As for balance - the balance that this article needs to represent is the balance of his life and work, just as other biographies of living persons do. That other people tried to embroil him in controversies is handled in the article already, but that does not define or illustrate who Erhard is. regards --MLKLewis (talk) 01:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi there MLK and Sensei -- I received a note that led me to see that my edit was removed. I agree with Sensei, and think it is reasonable to restore my edit. It isn't harmful to say someone is controversial -- especially when they have pushed the boundaries of knowledge. I hope you will reconsider, and allow me to restore my edit. Thanks, 24.128.48.240 (talk) 15:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
What note did you receive? What I see on your talk page is a message from the user Cirt who was banned by the wikipedia community from editing this topic. If you want to discuss editing any article on Wikipedia you should create an account or log in to one that you have so that you can be accountable for your editing and conversations. To answer your question, though, while the est training might have been controversial in its time, it just isn't accurate to say that Erhard is controversial, when there hasn't been any controversy in several decades. --MLKLewis (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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- What is your relation to Werner Erhard, Landmark, and related entities? Please disclose your conflict of interest. Thank you, Polygnotus (talk) 00:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have yet to have this question answered. Would you be so kind? Thank you, Polygnotus (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]You seem to think it is ok to add promotional junk into WP:BLP. I removed the "Subsequent work" sections as its highly promotional with poor references but seems to think that ok to post such promotional trash into Wikipedia. scope_creepTalk 00:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Scope creep Please provide specific examples of promotional statements from the "Subsequent work" section and what references you find objectionable. we can work together to craft something better. The more specific you can be the better we can make the entry.MLKLewis (talk) 02:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi @MLKLewis: Your behaving as though you have some kind of relationship with Erhard. What is it , because currently at the moment, your going to end up at WP:ANI for adding in the WP:NPOV junk. scope_creepTalk 16:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Scope creep Please say what part of the material you removed you see as promotional Again the more specific you are the better we can work together. MLKLewis (talk) 02:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- The first three references are interviews and seem him relaunching his career. We can go through all the references in that block if you want. The rest of the references are less than salubrious. Its not well sourced at all. scope_creepTalk 07:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Here is the content I put back in to the article about Erhard's work in the Soviet Union after you removed it along with other material about Erhard's later work. "In 1993, Erhard participated in a Larry King Live episode titled "Whatever Happened to Werner Erhard?" via satellite from Moscow, where he was working with the All Union Knowledge Society and a number of the members of the newly formed Russian parliament. What possibly could be seen as POV here (or promotional)?
- The references for this are not from interviews. They are from reputable sources:
- Here is the content I put back in to the article about Erhard's work in the Soviet Union after you removed it along with other material about Erhard's later work. "In 1993, Erhard participated in a Larry King Live episode titled "Whatever Happened to Werner Erhard?" via satellite from Moscow, where he was working with the All Union Knowledge Society and a number of the members of the newly formed Russian parliament. What possibly could be seen as POV here (or promotional)?
- Hilton, Ronald (1986). "World Affairs Report". California Institute of International Studies. 16–17. (Not an interview - "The Institute of International Studies at the University of California, Berkeley is a multidisciplinary organized research unit. IIS represents an interdisciplinary arena of scholarship characterized by the analysis of connective and systemic dynamics in global politics and economics.")
- Friends Committee on National Legislation (1989). "Surviving Together, Institute for Soviet American Relations". Committee and the Institute, University of Michigan (17–22). "The Werner Erhard Foundation, in its fifth year of sponsoring an exchange with the USSR's Znaniye Society, recently hosted a US visit by a Soviet delegation of scholars, economists, and high-ranking officials. The group took part in a symposium with Erhard dealing with the phenomena of managing change." (Not an interview - "The Friends Committee on National Legislation is a national, nonpartisan Quaker organization that lobbies Congress and the administration to advance peace")
- "Lunch with the FT: Werner Erhard". The Financial Times. April 28, 2012. "Erhard tells me that paramilitaries in Northern Ireland had a bit of trouble too, but when they did get it they disarmed as a result. He also worked with members of the first Russian parliament in 1993." The Financial Times
- Haldeman, Peter (November 28, 2015). "The Return of Werner Erhard, Father of Self-Help". The New York Times. "For several years before his latest professional reincarnation, Mr. Erhard consulted for businesses and government agencies like the Russian adult-education program the Znaniye Society and a nonprofit organization supporting clergy in Ireland." The New York TimesMLKLewis (talk) 02:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
If you want to discuss the contents of the article, please do so over at its talkpage instead of here. Thank you, Polygnotus (talk) 05:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Everything in my recent edit that you reverted was based on valid NPOV references. I included the actual quote from the original in the reference to validate what was included in the content. The content in the article edit itself was reworded. Please provide exact and specific evidence of the above accusation.MLKLewis (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please read WP:INDENT. What is your relation to Werner Erhard, Landmark, and related entities? Please disclose your conflict of interest. Thank you, Polygnotus (talk) 18:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have no relation to Werner Erhard or related entities except an interest in the topic. Where is your evidence of the accusation of copyright violation?MLKLewis (talk) 20:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Then why did you dodge that question so many times? 15 years ago you were already keeping us up to date on Werners recent work, and your repeated editwarring on Werners article is a form of conflict, so perhaps your "interest" causes a conflict of interest? Anyway, please read Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and look at, for example this diff compared with the copyright owner:
− Goddardhadadvocatedfor the patriot cause.She’deditorializedagainst Britishbrutality,reprinted Thomas Paine’sCommonSense,andpublishedextraeditions about Congress’ call to armsandthe Battle of Bunker Hill. In her 23-yearpublishingcareer,Goddard earned a place in history as one of the most prominent publishers during the nation’s revolutionary era.+ Goddard was a major voice advocating for the patriot cause. She wrote editorials against British brutality and she reprinted Thomas Paine’s ''Common Sense'' in her publication. She published editions about Congress’ call to arms as well as the Battle of Bunker Hill. In her 23-years as a publisher, Goddard earned a place in history as one of the most prominent publishers during the nation’s revolutionary era.- You can't take copyrighted work, make some very minor edits, and then claim it as your own work. Polygnotus (talk) 07:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have no relation to Werner Erhard or related entities except an interest in the topic. Where is your evidence of the accusation of copyright violation?MLKLewis (talk) 20:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Please read WP:INDENT. What is your relation to Werner Erhard, Landmark, and related entities? Please disclose your conflict of interest. Thank you, Polygnotus (talk) 18:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
Editwarring redux the sequel yet again ad nauseam
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I hope you will refrain from editwarring this time; but if you don't we will end up at ANI again. Repetition is boring. Please stop it. Polygnotus (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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