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Thank you for your edits to Russian Red, but the first line probably needs a grammatical correction. "Lourdes Hernández González, known professionally as Russian Red, a Spanish indie and folk singer-songwriter." should probably be "Lourdes Hernández González, known professionally as Russian Red, is a Spanish indie and folk singer-songwriter." Thanks, Lourdes 05:25, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Lourdes, yep! Thanks for noting. Happy New Year :) Lordtobi (✉) 05:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

You too; happy new year. Lourdes 11:01, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

21st Century Fox & Fox (company) pages

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A late trout. :)

Hi, Special:Diff/869079692 may have caused someone with a conflict of interest to replace the entire article content by copyrighted promotion, just to remove the BLP violation. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Time to create an archive?

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ToBeFree, I've been more-or-less active on Wikipedia for about four years now, but have always been too lazy to archive old messages. Is there an easy, automated way to archive messages I deleted? Lordtobi (✉) 21:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lordtobi, restoring the already-deleted messages may be difficult, but for future messages, the following ideas may be the easiest approach:

• Try adding {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveNow}} to any section that you would like to have removed, instead of deleting it -- when you look at the page the next day, the section will be magically gone.
• If you don't like the relatively complex template at the top of the source code, and would prefer a really empty talk page instead, you may prefer deleting the template and using User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver instead.

The first solution does not require any further initial action and will "just work" whenever you like to. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

ToBeFree, thanks for the suggestion! I will work out archiving my old stuff first (restored 2015 and 2016 messages thus far), and possibly use the automatic config afterwards. Lordtobi (✉) 13:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Lordtobi, sorry for the late reply, I must have missed the ping. I like the archives, thank you for restoring and creating them! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:44, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

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Try adding the archival code here. :) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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The Verge

Hi, Lordtobi! You've been helpful with requests for several pages related to Vox Media. Might you be able to help with my (hopefully) final request for The Verge? See here, if you have a moment. Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Comparison Images from video games

Hi I hope you are fine yes, I uploaded comparison images! but what is the true way to upload?! unfortunately I am amateur. Thanks SepticSHSepticSH (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

SepticSH, as I mentioned previously you will need to go through Wikipedia's own procedure. To do so, find the link "Upload file" on the left-hand toolbar. There, on the right-hand side, choose from any of the three possibilities, though for newcomers, I suggest going through the "Files for upload process", where someone who operates on the matter routinely will give you a hand. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 21:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Quit Wiki

Hey Lordtobi it's me Peck Man1. How do I quit wiki with all my changes deleted. Peck Man1 (talk) 15:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Alphabet inc revert of millions -> billions

Hi, what the heck are you talking about with trillions? I changed an m to a b, as their financial statements clearly indicate they bring in 110 billion in revenue and 12 billion in profit -- not million. Could you explain your rationale? This is re this revert: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alphabet_Inc.&type=revision&diff=880324953&oldid=880324601 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:A45F:FA75:79A2:C179:B1A5:C5B (talk) 20:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

You changed the sentence to say that their revenue summed to "US$110,855 billion", that is "110 thousand, 855 hundered billion", equivalent to US$110.855 trillion. They are not seeing revenues in the trillions, especially not multiple hundereds of them. Lordtobi (✉) 20:37, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see where I've misunderstood -- thanks! I also didn't see your move of this to the bottom of the page, so I briefly also added a request for clarification to the article's talk before I found this, which I've now removed. I feel the use of "abc,xyz million" is very confusing -- the sidebar uses "abc.xyz billion", so my intent was just to make them use the same format. If you feel that would be a reasonable change, I'll go make it. 2607:FEA8:A45F:FA75:79A2:C179:B1A5:C5B (talk) 21:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

2607:FEA8:A45F:FA75:79A2:C179:B1A5:C5B, I see. If you wish, you can change it to billions, but this time remember to change the delimiter too . See also MOS:NUM. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 21:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

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Full Sail University

Hello, Lordtobi! User:PresN was able to help with the esports arena request, but I wanted to see if you saw my note to you here regarding mention of the campus size. Mentioning campus size seems fairly standard to me, but User:Justlettersandnumbers removed the claim from the article for some reason. I've provided several sources confirming the size. Might you be interested to share your thoughts on the article's talk page?

I've also asked User:PresN to contribute to the discussion, but no reply yet. Thanks, Inkian Jason (talk) 17:46, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, to be fair, I didn't receive the ping and the page is no longer on my watchlist so I didn't see your comment. Some editors tend to instantly turn down anything that looks remotely like a COI edit, no matter how well and guideline-conformant the request actually is, which has been the case here. However, I see PresN has already handeled your request duly, so I guess you require no further action from my side? Lordtobi (✉) 18:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have provided an update, since PresN returned to offer feedback and update the article. I will be submitting additional requests soon, but do not require any specific assistance at the moment. Thanks for your willingness to help. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I've posted a new request here, if you're willing to take a look. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:36, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Inkian Jason, if you don't mind, I'd like to have this passed on to another editor. COI handling has mostly fallen out of my scope, and I'd like to do as little of it as possible. You and your colleagues can still ping me should have something about video games, video game companies, or Vox Media. Lordtobi (✉) 23:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Of course, I understand, and thanks for all your help to date. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Universal Interactive

Hey there, we've not spoken in a while!

Have you managed to find any more sources for the page? I've been looking on their old website but there's not much on there. It appears that the site became a redirect to VU Games' site around October of 2003. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, unfortunately, no. I haven't looked every single day (obviously) but when I did there was nothing new, nor do I think that there will be anytime soon. As it stands, though, unsourced information should not be introduced at any cost. I'm considering simply merging it away, this will probably resolve a lot of issues. Lordtobi (✉) 21:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Where would the games list go then if you did request for it to be merged? I’m guessing why is because of the recent unsourced edits from IP users of another company that creates video games and apps using the Universal branding. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:31, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, the games list is entirely unsourced, so I don't think it's going anywhere. Lordtobi (✉) 21:39, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

So basically, even if the company’s logo appears on a game cover, it’s not a reliable source no matter what. A few of their titles appear on the Universal Interactive website though, but not all of them. Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, basically, WP:OR. "They have their logo on their so clearly they published it." Fox Interactive did just that, licensing off games and as such printing their logo on the cover, yet they didn't publish them. We should at least have some sort of reliable secondary source to back it up. Lordtobi (✉) 21:45, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

What about articles about the games they released? As for the licensing thing, UIS would own the game but license the publishing to another company e.g. Sony. right? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, if a game has an article, then surely it is sourced somewhere in that article that UI did indeed publish that game. If so, that source could just be reused, if not, why is it not? That shouldn't be unsourced. Lordtobi (✉) 21:59, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Something to maybe replace the Universal Interactive page

I made a template featuring their titles, which could be a replacement for the company having it's own page. What do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Universal_Interactive Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:45, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, that's not a bad idea, actually. I'll do the merge at a later point in time and will definetly consider your template in the process. Lordtobi (✉) 13:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Want me to add it to the titles they published/licensed? I was thinking of doing one for Fox Interactive as well, as not much of the stuff they have on the page has any sources, but I don’t know yet. Luigitehplumber (talk) 13:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Vivendi Games subsidiaries

I've started a new draft at Draft:List of Vivendi Games subsidiaries. I've made it for pages that aren't worthy enough of their own article on this site, akin to the Acclaim one. Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:30, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, also a good idea. I won't interfere though, as I'm quite busy with other things. When you think the article is ready, let me know and I'll have a look over it. Lordtobi (✉) 18:06, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Alrighty-O. Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I've added some more pages to the draft. Once you're more free could you help me with it? Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, the sections on the two Sierra Online substudios look a little shallow, don't you think? ;) Other than that, the Berkeley System section contains a lot of unsourced info, and you might want to look into having the list at least topic-complete (with all entries in there). Some sorting (e.g. Sierra Online under Sierra Entertainment) would probably make sense as it visualizes the hierarchy. Lordtobi (✉) 23:23, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I left it like that because I didn’t have enough time to remove them and add information related to the Sierra Online substudios. Luigitehplumber (talk) 23:56, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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3 New 2K Studios

Hello, Lordtobi, i'm just letting you know that 2K now has 3 new studios under wraps. They established a new studio at their Novato campus to work on a new BioShock sometime in 2017. They acquired Mass Media Games sometime in Late 2018. Now, this year, they established a new studio in Silicon Valley. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 17:45, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Social Point (Parrot Games)

I found a website belonging to a company called 'Parrot Games'. When I clicked on their Privacy Policy, Terms of Service and Cookie Policy, they all direct me to Take-Two Interactive's Legal Notices. Here's the website: https://www.parrotgames.es/ UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 00:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, I am aware of this company and its website and I have looked into both before. It is subject to exactly zero reliable coverage, so we cannot include it. One cite, even in Spanish, would suffice but there just isn't. Lordtobi (✉) 20:40, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Sierra Entertainment

Well, seems like the source you found recently fixes up the confusion. For the post-August 2004 Sierra branded titles, should I keep the publisher as "Vivendi Universal Games", "Vivendi Games" or "Activision" since Sierra wasn't really a full company anymore (and most back covers don't list Sierra as a publisher and only their parent company). Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, I reviewed several credits and Sierra appeared under separate management in most of them, adding up with the sources I found in post. Before deciding on a case-by-case basis (which would be a bad idea when looking at OR rules), we could as well revert to using Sierra everywhere appropriate. Lordtobi (✉) 20:31, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

So, what should I do then even if the back covers say so or sometimes the copyright date? Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm saying, as the branding on some titles depends per region. In North America games are branded with the VU Games logo, while in Europe they're branded as Sierra, while in Japan the Sierra branding wasn't used at all. I'd say leave the Post-2004 titles and dual branded titles as that will just lead to a lot of confusion, as tecnically the games were published by Vivendi Universal. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, in the legal sense, yes, all titles after 2004 were published by VUG because Sierra was no longer a legal entity. You might want to look into what reliable sources say. Lordtobi (✉) 20:51, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi, As for that situation, it's best if it's left alone for now unless, as you said, a reliable source is found. For the pre-2003 titles, i've left them alone (in-which they were anyways) but i've excluded the dual-branded titles like The Simpsons: Hit and Run for what I just said. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, sounds reasonable. Lordtobi (✉) 07:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Red Faction 3

I am not able to find a cancelled game by the name "Red Faction 3". The only game I found was "Red Faction: B.E.A.S.T.". It does not qualify as Volition game due to having a different developer, so I've added it to the Red Faction article. It's possible that "Red Faction 3" was the working title of "Red Faction: Guerilla" judging by the article at https://misstrade.wordpress.com/category/charts/page/22/ . Let me know if there's any other information about Volition you would like me to find out. Deltasim (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Deltasim, well, in Game Informer's documentary, Kulas breifly mentions RF3 at this timestamp. I don't think they revived a years-old project for Guerrilla, there must be something about it somewhere. Do you think this onemention alone would be sufficient for inclusion? Lordtobi (✉) 13:31, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to watch the video again to find something I may have missed. If the third game crops up somewhere I can add it. In the meantime, I'll keep any eye out for any expansion packs and releases I may have missed out for the other Volition games. Deltasim (talk) 14:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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Lists

An edit summary is too small a space to explain.

Currently we have:

• Sam Houser
• (president)
• Dan Houser
• (vice-president for creative)
• Jennifer Kolbe
• (head of publishing)
• Simon Ramsey
• (head of PR and communications)

I changed this to:

• Sam Houser
  (president)
• Dan Houser
  (vice-president for creative)
• Jennifer Kolbe
  (head of publishing)
• Simon Ramsey
  (head of PR and communications)

The former is semantically dubious: it's a list of 1) a person, 2) that person's job title, 3) another person, 4) that other person's job title, etc. My version is 1) a person and his job title, 2) another person and his job title, etc. - that is, a list of persons, as it should be, where each is followed by their respective job title. The titles shouldn't be list entries in their own right because they're not people, that is, they don't belong in the list by themselves. The line breaks are just to preserve the breaks that were there before, on the assumption that some previous editor added them as a stylistic choice. You can replace them with a space if you object to them.

You say it "affects how it appears on mobile devices". First, if you actually check my edit history you'll see nearly all my edits are tagged as mobile edits. I know exactly how it looks on mobile because that's what I'm looking at when I edit. Second, my version looks better IMO precisely because it creates a clear gap between one job title and the next person. It's easier to read that way. Hairy Dude (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

This is completely improper, stop doing it. There are many mobile browsers and screen readers that deal with this poorly, and you've already been linked the relevant MOS guidelines that cover this. Because YOU don't have issue doesn't mean every device is good to go. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Note I'm only opposed to the mixed use of BR tags. For all I care, remove the pipes between person and title. Or do that, then wrap the title in nowrap so they'll end up on the next line. -- ferret (talk) 16:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

What's improper about it? The MOS guideline you linked to (MOS:VLIST), which I am already quite familiar with, relates to using <br> tags to build what looks like a list but semantically isn't, which is indeed an accessibility error. Said guideline says nothing about using break tags within list items for presentational reasons, which as far as I know is entirely unproblematic. What would have been improper is if I'd replaced the {{unbulleted list}} with a string of <br>s, which I pointedly did not. Note that {{nowrap}} and the nowrap class are explicitly disabled on mobile in infoboxes. Hairy Dude (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm coming from an overly strict reading of MOS:DTAB perhaps. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong though. It simply feels weird syntax-ly to me though. I'd rather remove the pipes between the items and just let them wrap as they'll wrap. -- ferret (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

To address what you said in an edit summary: "The whole point of the UBL template here is to avoid raw BR tags, as they cause accessibility issues". This is not the case. The issue is not the tags per se, but the poor semantics of using them to build lists. As I understand it (and I may be wrong here), screen readers simply ignore line breaks. Regardless, I've now applied a different way of solving the same problem that doesn't use breaks, which I've seen used elsewhere. Hairy Dude (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Simply speaking, <br /> tags are illegal in <li> members in HTML's basic syntax. This can render improperly on a lot of devices, especially many mobile devices. As Ferret said, just because you don't appear to have this issue doesn't mean nobody does. {{small}} and the related HTML tag are no alternative per WP:SMALL. Other than that, there is no need in semantcitiy in list templates; they don't have any internal logic, they just align items vertically. Readers with common sense will be able to tell person and job title apart. The list-separation of name and title are done for visual differentiation for desktop platforms. Lordtobi (✉) 16:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

<br /> tags are illegal in <li> members in HTML's basic syntax No, they're not. --Izno (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, seems like I remembered that incorrectly. So beyond the two guidelines, it boils down to merely personal preference. If utterly necessary this should be taken to MOS instead of achieving local consensus. Lordtobi (✉) 19:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Karl Lagerfeld

Hi there, Not being funny, but are there actually any sources that confirm he died today, the 19th and that he died in Neuilly? This is fast evolving, but as I can see it, it was merely announced today. He may have died yesterday or earlier. Announcement and date of death do not necessarily match. We should not include a specific date until a reliable source explicitly confirms the date. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 12:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Jake Brockman, see the Aljazeera I added. He died this morning in the American Hospital of Paris (Neuilly-sur-Seine). Lordtobi (✉) 12:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm.... According to Reuters, the source of that is a French celeb gossip magazine. Purepeople. Questionable, but I'll give up. :) _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 12:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Jake Brockman, Telegraph has a good breakdown of where what info comes from. Multiple sources report the same, sources are often not given. Should be right, though. Edit: Telegraph rephrased their article and their soces are no longer listed. Lordtobi (✉) 12:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Lagerfeld's parents announced the birth of their son Karl Otto in 1933

I saw you added the alleged birthname "Lagerfeldt" to the article. Actually his parents announced his birth in 1933 clearly without that "t". The problem is that Lagerfeld loved to create "stories" around his own person, so even if there's a source - it's just a hoax. 2A02:8108:1340:5E70:497F:63D2:A37:11FD (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Let's continue this in the dedicated section on the article's talk page. Lordtobi (✉) 16:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit

Hi - You just reverted my edit to clarify the location of The Lego Group.[[1]] Not all geographically challenged people know that Denmark and Danish are same thing. Knowing that, we want to be as helpful as possible. Can you clarify your reasoning for reverting me? Your edit summary was a bit unclear. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

timtempleton, there is only one city named Billund that is listed on Wikipedia, in addition to its municipality and airport. Whatever any reader might think when reading the article, they won't think of any other Billund than the one in Denmark, because there isn't any other. In the rare case someone fond of the English does not bridge "Danish" to "Denmark" (do they think The Lego Group is a sweet dish?) they can still click on the Billund link. It is generally expected, though, that the casual enwiki reader (who speaks English), and at the same time know what Danes are, can make the Denmark connection. Lordtobi (✉) 07:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Completely disagree with your expectations for intelligence among US readers - you know that we elected Trump, don't you? ;-) Your way requires an extra click or loading the mouseover utility - not efficient. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Hm, that's a strong argument. Yet, there is just one Billund on Wikipedia (it's just errorneously disambiguated). I'll have to see whether there is a guideline on this. Lordtobi (✉) 07:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Daily Mail

is bad as Wikipedia as well, my dear! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.249.224 (talk) 16:49, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

February 2019

Your recent editing history at 4A Games shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
Reminder that edit wars go both ways -- ferret (talk) 17:29, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Careers Pages

Why're careers pages not reliable sources? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 13:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Vivendi Games Subsidiaries and Vivendi Games games Drafts

Sorry to bother you again, but when you're less-busy with other things, could you improve both of those pages? For the latter, I'm likely gonna exclude Knowledge Adventure titles for now as their library is quite big and I don't know all the titles they published.

Here are the pages again: Draft:List of Vivendi Games subsidiaries Draft:List of Vivendi Games video games

Luigitehplumber (talk) 19:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, games lists aren't exactly my specialty, but I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Lordtobi (✉) 00:18, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay then, do what you can do. If you cannot do anything, i'll continue both as good as I can. Luigitehplumber (talk) 00:20, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Infobox spacing

The majority of infoboxes are already spaced to align the "=" to make them much more readable to the human eye. I would say that demonstrates the consensus. I don't know what to say if your personal preference is different. If you feel you need to "flatten" any infobox you edit frequently, I'm certainly not going to go back and change it again. MB 18:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

MB, there is no formal guideline or consensus on this issue, so it is usually the best choice to leave the previously present style as-is (MOS:STYLERETAIN). Lordtobi (✉) 19:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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TheLoneRanger, the article is about the GmbH, I know because I have co-authored it. The acqusitions were carried out partially by THQ Nordic AB, partially by THQ Nordic GmbH, and partially by THQ Nordic Acquisitions AB, but all companies (except Koch, Coffee Stain) are organized under the GmbH (see their recent investor relations presentations, e.g. when they acquired Coffee Stain). Things like the 8chan controversy also only affect the GmbH. If you could have a look at the article's talk page, we've been looking to make a seperate article for the holding at some point too, but not currently.

I'd also like to note that your edits introduce several errors, such as "Holding" as type (not a valid type), as well as "Formerly: THQ Nordic GmbH (2011–2016)", "Headquarters: Stockholm", "Founded: 2011", the "Key people" section, "Parent" section, "Subsidiaries" section, etc., all of which are not correct for the AB. Additionally, semantic errors (unbalanced brackets), and it says that this is "the mother" of the "Nordic Games GmbH". The founder is correct either way, Wingefors founded both companies. Please discuss before rollbacking for the sake of WP:STATUSQUO.

Since you rollback either way, I removed content specific to the AB (such as financial information) as well as unsourced info. On the article's talk page, you can help find a way to cover the AB properly. Lordtobi (✉) 14:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@TheLoneRanger: New article on the AB created here. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 11:50, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

My Friend, wiki is a collaborative effort. having co-authored does not imply it is either correct, accurate or right. The idem alone, does not "stand" IMHO dignity of being a wikipedia entry by itself. The company has been acquired by and THQ Nordic AB and should be part of its history. that is my point. Ciao– — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLoneRanger (talk • contribs) 07:26, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

That doesn't quite add up to your edit warring over changing an article's subject and mixing old information with new information (partially made up, such as the Stockholm location) for no apparent reason, though. Lordtobi (✉) 07:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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Question for Tobi

Why do you keep removing the link to play the original flappy bird that I put on the page for people? Lio3livion (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Lio3livion, it's spam meant to advertise your game, which obviously is not more notable than any other clone out there, or not notable at all for that matter. See WP:SPAM. Lordtobi (✉) 20:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

typo

hey i couldnt help but notice theres a typo in the first line of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lordtobi/scripts should be 'or' not 'and' --SacredDragonX (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

SacredDragonX, thanks. Lordtobi (✉) 09:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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MPedits, yeah, fully explain reverts to your completely uncommented silent reverts definetly classify as disruptive. Lordtobi (✉) 15:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Bungie as publisher

Hi there, Lordtobi. I noticed your revert of the IP editor on Bungie — Bungie has in fact acted as a publisher, though. Take a look at List of Bungie video games and you'll see that three of them were developed by another company and published by Bungie. So it's an accurate thing to say, isn't it? --Iritscen (talk) 18:20, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Iritscen, you are correct that they did publish three games -- two in 1997 and one in 2011 -- but I would argue that their scarce publishing function (which has also since been dormant for eight years, and prior to that had been for 14 years) does not qualify the currently as a "video game publisher". Currently, they are not publishing ganes on behalf of other companies. Feel free to revert if you feel like it is still a primary function of theirs that requires inclusion in the lead. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 18:50, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Nah, it's definitely not something that Bungie is known for. I'm cool with the lede reading either way, but just wanted to make sure you were aware of their publishing history, sparse though it is. Maybe one day we'll actually hear from their Aerospace division again.... --Iritscen (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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MPedits, you are still not seeking consensus for your edits, what are you expecting? Lordtobi (✉) 20:01, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Regard Xbox Game Studios

I wish to reacha Consensus with you regarding the edits made to Xbox Game Studios. I believe that separating the studios by country makes the most sense as it will make it easier for the average reader to find a studio based in a specific country. For example, if the average reader is looking for a studio based in the United States, having U.S. based and Canadian based studios separated makes it easier for the reader to find a studio based in the country he/she wants to work in compared to having them organized by continent, which just makes it confusing for the average reader if they want to look for a studio based in the United States but finds that they are lumped into a section with Canadian Studios, which has a different economy from the United States. MPedits (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

MPedits, I disagree, using major grographical locations make it easier to categorize many items, since it is not guaranteed they will stay at four countries (they had more in the past and will most liekly have more in the future). Furthermore, I don't think that the common reader does not know the seven continents, that's primary school-taught stuff. I'd also like to urge you to reach consensus via the article's talk page to reach a broader audience. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 20:15, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

You have a point that it is easier for us to categorize, but it is still less convienent for the average reader if they want to specifically look for a studio based in the U.S. but finds studios based in Canada, which has a different economy, lumped in the same section as the U.S. based ones, and I believe it is worth the extra effort to categorize them by country rather than continent for the best most convinent reader experience possible. MPedits (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

MPedits, how does economy have anything to do with this? That's far besides the scope we want to convey on any article, really. I also see that you again reverted the changes, which is still edit warring. Your changes also cover removing Masem's latest additions for no apparent reason, and including some unsourced employee count, all while still not having reached any consensus (just an exchange of views). Read again on WP:BRD, your edit summary comment "back to the continential based organization WILL result in a ban" is quite the opposite of how BRD works, since you are the initiator of the edit war. Please just leave WP:STATUSQUO while the discussion is open, and again, address the issue with the article's talk page for a wider audience. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 20:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

QuizUp

My edit you reverted was putting a space between the reference and the words, like the rest of the page has. Did I put it on the wrong side of it? Because it needs a space somewhere. Right now its tripping spellcheck because it reads "country.When" —Amiodarone ^talk 21:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Amiodarone, I just checked, and indeed, there is a space missing after the ref. Your edit appeared to place a space between the ref and the preceeding punctuation, where it shouldn't be. So as you said the space belongs on the other side. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 21:47, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I was so close yet so far :) —Amiodarone ^talk 21:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, For productivity reasons, I run a composite script that calls my various scripts and runs them one after another. Ever since the upgrade you helped me with, the script stops dead when it reaches the Engvar script calls. Could you possibly look at it to see what changes are needed for it to work once again? Thanks in advance! Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oh, note that I only ever call the EngvarB part of the script from the composite. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:23, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

  Ohconfucius, because the we updated the script to Pathoschild's TemplateScript framework (inlcuding its built-in, more performant regex editor), the provided editor must be passed as an argument for any of the script's functions (you can compare with the scripts signatures). Not passing the editor makes the in-function variable "undefined", so any attempted function call on an undefined object will result in an error. Consider porting your composite script to TemplateScript and passing the editor received from it down to the ENGVAR functions. You won't need to use the TS editor on any other script that doesn't use it (JavaScript ignores excessive parameters). Lordtobi (✉) 09:37, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

PlayStation 5

Hello, my friend. The website Wired just uploaded an article regarding the PlayStation 5's hardware. Where should we post this information? Here's the article: https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/ UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 13:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, if you think this is include.worthy, you could put it under PlayStation#Future_systems, stating that context presented in the article. Lordtobi (✉) 15:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

It appears Masem has already did it. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 16:37, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Polygon video content

What do you want changed about sourcing? Do I link to every single video series that they've made on their channel? A huge aspect of Polygon is its video content like Monster Factory (much of the reason why Griffin McElroy was a Forbes 30 under 30 media luminary). Pages like Crash Course (YouTube) don't need to cite every single series they've made, and they don't need to cite the descriptions of each one. I can still cite the videos, and I can make the table collapsible if it's overkill. Polygon's various video series ARE important enough to be include. Even the series with outside sources (IMDB, the New York) were deleted so clearly the issue wasn't that there wasn't sources. Starsandwhales (talk) 14:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Starsandwhales, yes and no. The primary reason I reverted your table was that it was completely overkill due to its sheer detail and the high number of table entries. This wasn't exatly easy on the eyes either. The reason I mentioned sourcing in my succeeding edit was because you added two sentences without any citation, replacing two other sentence that were previously sourced. But as you say, this would also have to apply to the table. I think the best compromise would be to mention notable series (i.e. those explained in a reliable, secondary source) in an enumartion/sentence format. This would be concise and can be well sourced. Thoughts? Lordtobi (✉) 16:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi Okay, I agree with the sentences I added without sourcing. The synopses might have been a bit much, considering that most of them did not have secondary sources, but neither do for example, episodes in a webseries (something like List of Epic Rap Battles of History episodes). I attempted to write about the series in paragraph form, but it was very awkward since there were so many distinct series. I think making another page entirely for the video series would be overkill, so maybe making the table collapsible and linking to the series would be a better alternative? Starsandwhales (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Starsandwhales, just because they have so many series doesn't mean all of them should be listed, notable ones would easily suffice ("Polygon produces several video series and releases them through their YouTube channel. Notable examples include ..."). Is there really a need for a table to list them all, it would completely bloat the page to list airing dates, episode count and involved staff (it basically tripples the size of the page). In this case, think rather of a 2-column table with the name and a short description of it. Lordtobi (✉) 16:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Ernest Del/MachineGames

Ferret told me you could assist me in expanding these two articles. I'm not much of a writer, that's why I could use your help. The Refideas are already there.Timur9008 (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Timur9008, sure, I can help. I'm currently low on time due to open projects both on and off Wikipedia, but once I get there I can do some work on the articles you requested. If you want to give me a headstart, you can start by removing unsourced and advert-esque information from the Ernest Del article, which is clearly lacking in quality. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 08:30, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

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Grand Theft Auto

Thank you for your edits on the article. One last thing however, can you please rewrite the sentence with the wording that I requested? If you do it, it should read "DMA Design began the series in 1997, with the release of the original Grand Theft Auto". Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.250.21 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not really a fan of the wording "original", because it suggests that there is another, unoriginal game of that name, please see the current state for a potentially better wording. Lordtobi (✉) 08:06, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

The Legend of Zelda article uses this phrasing, "original" in this context simply means first. I don't see any problem with using it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.250.21 (talk • contribs) 08:09, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Well yes, but it already says that the series started with that game. It seems a bit redundant to say [verbosely] "the series started with the first game in the series", no? Lordtobi (✉) 08:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

How about "DMA Design began the series in 1997, with the release of Grand Theft Auto"? This reads better since saying the year that the series began with first makes more sense than the obvious "Grand Thef Auto", and "with the release of" allows us to omit the redundant "game".

Leslie Benzies/T2 Lawsuit

Hello, Lordtobi! I was reading the 10-K form T2 had posted on their website and it appears that their lawsuit with Benzies is finally over, has been since early February of this year. https://ir.take2games.com/node/26061/html#s4CF50A344F8E5963BE325C7FDB3C6A0E UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 09:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Re: Sniper Elite 4

Yeah, I kinda' goofed up on the edit, but the only reason why I added the organised crime games category was the Sicilian Mafia being incorporated into the plot a la-Operation Husky. Then again it could've been a relatively minor role in the overall story so maybe you were right about the revert. Blake Gripling (talk) 12:19, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

MediEvil template

Hi Lordtobi, sorry to bother you. Days ago I reorganized the MediEvil template: since the 2019 remake release date was announced, and being 2005 Resurrection a remake in its turn, I decided to include them "in brackets" next to the first in the series in the template list (here). I saw this way was used in the past on other video games/movies templates and I thought I'd emulate it.

An anonymous user, however, disagrees with me. He claims that, being only 4 games, they could stay in the template line one after the other - so to make them appear to be normal chapters in the series, but they are not. He suggested me to "just leave off" and that "This was never a problem until you came into the picture" and that "Your way is stupid". One of the IPs he used received a 1 month block back in the days. While I suspect that IP sees to it as a simple personal preference, I edited it to make navigation more clear; just saying.

I thought this would eventually be a "2 edits problem", but it is not. Beyond this, how do you honestly think we can solve the problem? Thank you very much, see you soon. Lone Internaut (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Lone Internaut, I have no strong feelings for either format. As usual, there should be a consensus, at the least WP:STATUSQUO. You made the first move, so it would be your turn to gain consensus. Please try to approach the user in question via the template's talk page, and if you can't get on the same page, ask for third-party comments. In the meantime, Ican review templates with similar context for comparison. Lordtobi (✉) 18:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I hadn't thought about getting a consensus, I admit that, but I hadn't even considered having to deal with such an insistent user. He does not seem very inclined to dialogue or to collaborate. I will follow your suggestion and bring the thing to the general attention here. Thanks again. Lone Internaut (talk) 20:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Deep silver

Also the reference number 6, have nothing to do with anarchy online. Its thq nordic. Not Funcom. When i was editing it Said reference 4. But that was nothing to do with Funcom or anarchy online. If u want the credit for the page. Please fix the page and put in correct info Karismafatal (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Also my old post didnt publish. Anarchy online came out in 2001. Over a year before deep silver was revealed. Its developed and published by Funcom. Even says so on the Funcom home page. Dont say anything about deep silver or koch media Karismafatal (talk) 19:12, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

They did release an expasion though Karismafatal (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Karismafatal, you're right! When I rewrote the section I seem to have linked the wrong source, whiel drawing info from the correct one. I changed the source in the article to the correct one. And as verified in the source, the first game they released was "Anarchy Online: The Notum Wars". Sorry for any confusion. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 19:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem, i think i may have overreacted. But got a bit provked. Im sorry if got aggressive. But been a Funcom and anarchy online fan for a long time, so i meant no offence. Kind regards, karismafatal Karismafatal (talk) 19:42, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Unity Technologies

Hi Lordtobi, I am leaving you a note here in case you did not see my response at Talk:Unity_Technologies#Updated_draft. I updated my draft at User:Matthewpruitt/Unity Technologies. I changed "founded" to 2004 because that is how it is in the draft text, removed wikilinks to U.S. and Denmark, and removed the small font around the timespan for Everplay. Is there anything else I should update in my draft? -- Matthewpruitt (talk) 15:56, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Matthewpruitt, I'll get back to your request tomorrow. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 16:41, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Clarification of good will, and apologies

Dear Lordtobi, I was reviewing an old talk thread regarding the InternetArchiveBot (see here) from back in 2017. There you noted of me "(...) Al83tito not taking part in the community, does not respond to talk page messages, and is seemingly making such disruptive edits deliberately, despite numerous attempts tell them to cease them." Now belatedly discovering that comment I was puzzled and concerned why I had caused so much displeasure in you to make such severe remarks. I went back to my talk page archive and I found you had sent me nice message. Indeed I see that I failed to respond to it. I apologize to you for that, and I can assure that there was no ill will nor intended neglect; often life is busy both on and off Wikipedia and things fall through the cracks.

Also, your comment seemed to say that I had failed to respond to numerous attempts to communicate with me. If that is the case, again, I apologize. Besides the one attempt I acknowledge here, do you remember what other attempts were made that I failed to answer? As far as I could tell, that is the only instance I have found of failing to respond. If you can see, just below yours, there is another entry from Dhtwiki on the same topic that I did respond to and had a dialogue with.

Finally, I regret that you seemed to see my edits as disruptive and deliberate. What made you come to that conclusion? I would like to understand better so that I try to avoid misunderstandings going forward. I have edited Wikipedia for about 10 years, and although I have made rookie mistakes like most, I operate in good faith and I am enthusiastic about making Wikipedia better by covering more topics and with increasing quality and sourcing. I also do my best to be a constructive community member and be respectful of the rules and principles that govern this project. In the activities that displeased you I was just making a completely good faith effort to combat linkrot.

It has been some time since you made reference to me, but I thought that no matter how much time has passed, it is good for me to apologize for any unintended errors of mine, and to request of you would be so kind as to clarify in good faith how you came to some of the other conclusions. Thank you.Al83tito (talk) 04:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Al83tito, as you might have realized, this has been quite some time ago. So long, in fact, that I have no memory of it. For this reason, I cannot speak on what exactly brought this onto me expressing such harsh feelings. I assume that I was angered by the lots of edits you made in which you archived live sources for no particular reason, and IABot usually put "Archived copy" as the title for the citation, which makes it hard for some readers to understand. (One revert of mine that I found correlates to the message I left on your talk page). I probably expressed this concern on behalf of myself and others. However, the direct statement I made is obviously unconstructive, probably incorrect (you did discourse on the page), and you were mostly right in your edits all along (I just didn't know better at the time). That said, I should be the one to apologize, not you. Nothing was wrong about your edits except for the masses you made them. Hope this helps. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 16:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Lordtobi, thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my note to you, and making an effort to remember -- and yes, understandably by now the memory of that can be blurry! I very much appreciate your kind and thoughtful note. Best wishes. Al83tito (talk) 04:17, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Arthur Morgan (character) page

Dear Lordtobi. This is VerumRex here, the same one who wrote up the Arthur Morgan character page. I believe that you were the one who redirected the Arthur Morgan page back to the Red Dead Redemption 2 page. Why is that? Is there no chance that it can kept in the main space? It is essentially a replica of the page for John Marston (character), who is another character in the Red Dead universe, but for Arthur Morgan.

I would also like to mention that I am one of countless other students working on Wikipedia as part of a university subject. This is my first huge undertaking on Wikipedia so I'm sorry for any mistakes and errors on my part.

VerumRex (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)Verum Rex

Hi @VerumRex, yes this is correct. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Morgan (character); the same article was nuked by unanimous consensus late last year because it has no real-world significance and thus isn't notable. I did notice that your version of the article rewrote many elements if it, including some sources for the plot which is always nice. However, overall the article had the same antics as the old one, albeit a bit shorter (not that that's a bad thing). If you think I'm wrong you can contest my revert and see if someone else steps in to do so. Otherwise, you can ask for advice on the participating project -- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 05:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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Lego Star Wars pages.

My apologies for any errors, especially on the Traveller's Tales page. I had realized my errors myself and was about to correct them when you did. Thank you for your time. Obi-WanKenobi-2005 (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Xbox Game Studios not publishing Psychonauts 2

Xbox can't publish a multiplatform game. It's still Starbreeze Studios. Justcorrectingmistakes (talk) 22:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Justcorrectingmistakes, why can't they? Also, see the source I added. Starbreeze sold all publishing rights to the game to Microsoft. Xbox Game Studios has published games for PlayStation in the past (e.g. Minecraft). Lordtobi (✉) 22:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Additionally, publisher Starbreeze announced that it has signed over all publishing rights to the game to Microsoft, which today announced its acquisition of Double Fine Productions.[2]

Oh I didn't see that. Didn't think that was possible. Justcorrectingmistakes (talk) 22:45, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Social.techcrunch.com

I don't know anything about Techcrunch overall; I'm only looking at social.techcrunch pages, which appear to be unreliable. I momentarily used Special:Linksearch, but I quickly realised that the scope of this website use is far beyond what I'm addressing, so I stepped back.

This arises from WP:AN#User:Marina1banch Linkspam/Paid editing? Seeking guidance. I'm going through this user's contributions and removing social.techcrunch links (and text based on it), because this user's finding pages on that site and adding content from these pages to Wikipedia articles. Even if these were reliable, they'd need removal as a matter of spam, but the Marina1banch additions are citing pages like [3], which don't cite their sources and provide no evidence that we should trust their authors' claims. But because I'm only looking at social. pages, if I've noticed both social. and other techcrunch links in the same page, I've intentionally retained the latter when deleting the former. Nyttend (talk) 14:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Nyttend, as far as I am aware, social.techcrunch.com is just an analytics site that redirects to main TechCrunch, used by the site when linking to from their social medias (e.g. Facebook, thus the "social." prefix). Should they be used, they should probably be replaced by direct links (i.e. "http://social.techcrunch.com/" -> "https://techcrunch.com/"). Regarding Marina1banch, the last time I encountered this user they were believed to be COI-editing for VentureBeat (also a reliable source), not TechCrunch. Some additions, such as this one, appear to not be paid, as Vox Media (which owns The Verge) generates enough revenue that it would not need such stunts. I'm not sure what to think of the user's behaviour, but they might yet be a legitimate but misguided editor. Lordtobi (✉) 14:44, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

If this is the quality of everything on the site, then everything needs to be removed: the content I'm seeing is journalism, not reliable secondary sources. Is there a systematic way to identify scholarly content on this site, or does every page have to be checked individually? Meanwhile, as far as the user: as noted at the discussion, this user has persistently ignored other warnings, which a legitimate but misguided individual would not do. PS, at least a quarter of the time I hit "undo" on this user's edits, I'm given MediaWiki:Undo-nochange — either another user has already been undoing a lot of this user's edits, or this user's edits have attracted opposition from a good number of editors. Nyttend (talk) 15:13, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the user has had contentions encounters before due to the non-communication and believed COI. If they refrain to communicate further there will most likely be a block in place some time soon. However, regarding TechCrunch itself, I'd like to stick with the RSP ruling I quoted on your talk page: It's good enough to be used, though it does not satisfy claims to notability. Since it is a tech-focused site, you will have a hard time finding scholorarly content (as is the case on most [reliable] tech sites). Lordtobi (✉) 15:21, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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Need your help

My 5 new pages that I created but it was deleted by Onel5969 without give me any reason and is it something wrong:

• Lego DC Super Hero Girls
• Lego The Lone Ranger
• Lego Scooby-Doo!
• Lego The Powerpuff Girls
• Lego Overwatch

I want to know is he the administrator or not? and can you contact Geraldo Perez for help. Oon835 (talk) 07:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Oon835, Onel is not an admin, but a normal, though experienced member of the community (6+ years of service). As they point in all of these deletions/redirects, the articles you created failed to assert the topic's notability for Wikipedia. Please see WP:GNG, which Onel linked, which explains basic notability principles an article must meet to stay on Wikipedia, or is otherwise, as is the case here, deleted. I would assume that Geraldo Perez would have the same stance, but the guideline presented is pretty solid either way. Lordtobi (✉) 08:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for give me the guideline. But you see I was just following the example from the other pages such as Lego Super Heroes and Lego Pirates of the Caribbean. Oon835 (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Oon835, many existing pages have the same kinds of issues, should you find an article that is clearly not notable, you can also redirect them like Onel did. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 06:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

After Onel deleted my 5 pages should I restore back and re-edit again? Those that I follow the example from the other pages that I might be not notable. Can you show me which pages can be notable. I found out that those pages Lego Super Heroes and Lego Pirates of the Caribbean had a source page called Brickset and do you think this is unreliable? Oon835 (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Oon835, please refer to the guidelines provided (WP:GNG, WP:N, ...) for further information. I'm not an expert in Lego-related topics as I mostly edit video games, so I have no experience with Brickset, but from a first glance, it looks like a generic database-esque site, not a reliable source. Please talk to Onel directly on the topic since he was the one to determine the lacking notability, he will be better at pointing out significant examples. Lordtobi (✉) 12:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I did talk to Onel earlier but never give me some answers for so long and I thought he ignore me. Can you contact which person who is expert in Lego-related topics? Oon835 (talk) 05:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Oon835, try if you catch any active users with Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lego. Lordtobi (✉) 05:28, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

What about contact to Onel for me? Oon835 (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I went to the talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lego but no one reply to me still. Did you contact to Onel? Oon835 (talk) 06:07, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Oon835, I bumped your request on their talk page. If they don't reply, there isn't much I could do, sorry. In the meantime, you can make yourself familiar with our guidelines if you haven't already. Also check out WP:Tutorial. For any specialized help (by experienced help-givers), you can also check out the WP:Help desk. Lordtobi (✉) 09:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't get why Onel is ignore me and how about contact to Geraldo Perez maybe he can find a user who is expert in Lego-related topics?Oon835 (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez, any other admin, or the help desk. I'm afraid I will not be much of a help for this issue. Lordtobi (✉) 19:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I got some few questions to ask you about the draft page:

• Is that I have to wait for a review more than 1 months?
• If is failed they going to deleted the draft page?
• How did admin deleted the user's pages if they had failed?Oon835 (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

  Oon835, draft reviews can take a long time because demand is high and participation is low. The current estimate for a review is eight weeks because the backlog is almost 5,000 drafts long (you can find this info on the draft tag placed on your draft pages). If a draft is not accepted and then abandoned, i.e. not touched by the author in quite some time and not put back up for consideration, it will eventually be deleted. As a reference, the discussion just above this one notified me that I had a draft stale for six months, so it was put up for deletion and finally deleted. Deletions are handled by admins who have elevated privileges and can delete a page anytime, though they usually let you know beforehand. Lordtobi (✉) 07:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you that Yosemiter gave me this 3 examples of the lego pages that are notable such as Lego Star Wars, Lego Mindstorms and Lego Speed Champions. But I only knows how to list out the sets only. Oon835 (talk) 07:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Oon835, it seems as though Yosemiter might be able to help you out better here. I read your discussion and he brings about the correct points regarding notability. I linked previously the WP:Notability guideline, which reflects this. If the drafts are only set lists, and do not cover anything like history, impact or reception, they are not of much encyclopedic value. Brickipedia might be a better place for table-only articles. I suggest you continue talking to Yosemiter as he is clearly more involved in Lego topics than I am. Lordtobi (✉) 11:11, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Yosemiter told me that he knows a bit on Lego and I already talk to him before. I would like to know what wrong with your draft page and why they deleted it? Oon835 (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Do you really know about Yosemiter before? Oon835 (talk) 02:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Mindscape

Hello Why is not Mobygames considered reliable? Regarding Mindscape Northern Europe BV. How about emailing the current owner Mark Huijmans? They were a subsidiary of Mindscape SA and made a buyout. So the company stems from Mindscape and still operate under the brand so it’s a direct lineage and heritage.

Best regards Martin Manualmartin (talk) 06:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Manualmartin, MobyGames is, just like Wikipedia, written by voluntary users. Any user could edit the description there to include wrong or inaccurate information, then "verify" this information here using the MobyGames page as a source. Specifically, the WP:USERG guideline reflects this issue. LinkedIn lesser so, but because the author is also the topic, the same problem arises. I'm currently rewriting the History section entirely and will look into whether reliable sources make a clear connection between the two companies. From a first glance, this doesn't appear to be the case, however. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 06:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

June 2019

Don't leave shit on my talkpage please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missingev36 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Missingev36, not just ordinary shit, but a user warning is what I left on your talk page. User warnings inform users of the mistakes they make and their possible consequences. They are split into four cases, after which further actions come into play. In this case, for disruptive editing, frequently doing so (like you did) will lead to a loss of editing privileges on Wikipedia. They will still count even if you blank your talk page. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 12:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Rod Edge

Actually, he does play a key role in the company. Rod is responsible for the motion capture sessions of all Rockstar products. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, "for all Rockstar products" is unsourced. He directs one part that influences the final look of Rockstar's games. He is not part of the higher-ups or executive team at Rockstar Games, rather on the same (creative) level as art director Aaron Garbut or music supervisor Ivan Pavlovich. Lordtobi (✉) 16:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

He directs the performance of the actors, Rod's work is just as important as a film director. I'd say he's on the same creative level as Dan Houser. Also, he's called "director of performance capture" according to this article: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/red-dead-redemption-2-cast-interview-how-new-western-was-made-1157998 UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 16:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

True, and film directors do not occupy executive positions for production companies either. Lordtobi (✉) 16:26, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but no film directors hold executive positions either, they're still credited though. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Lots of people are credited; Rod Edge is important for mocap, Aaron Garbut for art, Ivan Pavlovich for music. What we do on company articles list people important on a business level. Lordtobi (✉) 16:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Can we mention these guys anywhere in the Rockstar Games article? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 16:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Probably better fit in the Development section of RDR2. Lordtobi (✉) 17:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

June 2019

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missingev36 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

That's not how warnings work, mate. Guidelines exist for a reason. Lordtobi (✉) 08:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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your revert on konami

[4] What makes you think the division and the concept are unrelated? They did not call it "Konami Cat Food" for a reason. ;) -- Kku (talk) 09:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

They are, well, not related. It explains nothing about the division, which is the video game publishing arm. You also wouldn't add "See also" links to Hyperlink for the External links section. Lordtobi (✉) 09:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Even though it does not sound like you put a lot reflection into that part concerning Konami, so be it. -- Kku (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Removing sources

Hello, the Gamerankings is still proven a reliable sources and should had a problem to be removed. If so, then tell me why a lot of games still had those scores that are present and not to mention having multiple sources to confirmed it? Please respond, if you can answer it, I will put this issues to administrators 115.66.21.132 (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what to say, I already linked the guideline -- WP:VGAGG -- six times. Have you read it? Seems like you didn't. Let me quote it for you:

Do not include GameRankings in articles about newer games. GameRankings is mainly useful for older games and it is mainly duplication in newer ones. [...] only use for older games when Metacritic data is unavailable

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I've replied on the IP's talk page in response to a message left on mine. -- ferret (talk) 12:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

LinkedIn

Why is LinkedIn not credible? I've always wondered. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 07:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, LinkedIn acounts are not verifyable. In this very second, I could create a faux Trip Hawkins profile and add any random job description, pretending that he actually had them. Even real users tend to either make mistakes or add peacockery. Lordtobi (✉) 07:48, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Even so, many profiles are private, shouldn't that indicate something at the very least? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 18:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Faux profiles can also be set to private, that's no indicator for reliability. Lordtobi (✉) 19:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@UnknownAssassin1819: Have you wondered why we don't use Instagram, Facebook and Twitter? Same reason. We don't even use them as external links, because for that, an official site is good enough. It should be encyclopedic, not Daily Mail-style journalism. Also, we don't use Daily Mail or Daily Mirror for that reason too.--Biografer (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Biografer, accounts on social media platforms are more verifiable than accounts on LinkedIn, though I don't consider LinkedIn to be a social media platform. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 07:40, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Twitter can be used if the account is verified to be what it supposes to be. LinkedIn is unreliable because it does not verify profiles. Even if a profile on LinkedIn was legit, it would fall to WP:SPS. However, social media can be used as an external link if it is confirmed to be the only official web presence for a given subject (e.g. Instagram for influencers), per WP:ELNO. Lordtobi (✉) 10:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I would rather wait until better source will establish the same claim. I don't know where you get the impression that social media posts are verifiable. According to WP:SPS: Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer. Not to mention, that people can create fake posts, impersonate someone, hijack an account, etc. Another reason why it shouldn't be used is because Facebook posts and YouTube videos cannot be archived. The Wayback Machine always blocks archiving of social media posts, at least on Windows PCs.--Biografer (talk) 18:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

"Never use self-published sources as third-party sources"; that's why it would be used as a primary source. Any external, reliable source is always better, obviously. Anyhow, this is deteriorating from the original discussion so we do not need to discuss this further. Lordtobi (✉) 18:51, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

On the other hand, there is only a handful of Twitter accounts that can be legit, such as the White House accounts, since impersonating a government official on social media is a crime. However, in an example of our current President of the United States he uses two: @realDonaldTrump and @POTUS. Both are considered official by the White House, but I don't know if posts from such accounts are acceptable on Wikipedia. I need to assume, probably not, not to mention, a third party will always cover a Twitt if it deems news worthy. As far as Instagram goes, again, an official website is better for an external link then some kind of Instagram post, but that's my opinion. Secondary sources are much better though, such as The New York Times, etc. Sorry to bother you. :)--Biografer (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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The Lego Group

We dont put toy manufacturers into the categories for manufacturers of cars or weapons, so I dont think we should do it for tires. Rathfelder (talk) 10:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Rathfelder, the difference is that the Lego Group produces actual tires, just in miniature format. The weapons and cars they produce are also miniature, but would not function in the same way as life-sized props of the same kind. Lordtobi (✉) 10:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

You could say the same about toy trains and cars. But they have their own categories. But if you really insist I think you have to add your reference to the article. Rathfelder (talk) 10:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Given that it is the largest tyre manufacturer in the world, I do think it should be included. Lordtobi (✉) 10:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Its a good line. I wont object to the category if there is a reference.Rathfelder (talk) 10:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Ultracore

There's a release date for the cartridge Mega Drive versions in the retailer website. I think you should do your homework and check it before outrighting reverting anything like you like to do.

https://store.strictlylimitedgames.com/collections/all/products/ultracore-mega-drive-game-preorder https://store.strictlylimitedgames.com/collections/all/products/ultracore-genesis-game-preorder

Based on your dictatorial proceedings, I stop doing anything else in the Ultracore page. Unfortunately Wikipedia is turning out in a worse place to collaborate thanks to the disturbing attitudes of people like you, so there you go and do as you wish with the article, no matter how outdated it may remain as an result. AWesker (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

AWesker, the Genesis mention is still there, just reduced to what the source you provided included (which is only the announcement, no date was given) and the source moved into the body and reformatted. For example, you will find that the digital versions of the PS4/PSV/NS versions have not been released, as there is no source outlining this and neither digital distribution platform has the game listed. You can see the direct revision-to-revision change here.

The Japanese release was excluded because the rules for the Video games WikiProject say that NA/EU/AU releases are listed (where available) for all games, while other regions (Japan, in this case) are only included should the developer also be from that region. See specifically, WP:VG/RELEASE. Other than that, I only put back relevant links to the body and re-applied the original language: since the article is written in American English, we include the American names of the platforms, which are "Sega CD" and "Sega Genesis", respectively. If you wish to have this changed to British English (given that the dev is Swedish and the publisher German) you can always gain consensus on the article talk page or discuss it with other involved editors. Also, individual platforms are ordered in chronological, then alphabetical order, so it is "Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation Vita", followed by "Sega Gensis", which has no sourced release date.

If you have any further questions, please let me know. Lordtobi (✉) 16:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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August 2019

Hey there! I clearly did not read the rules thoroughly before editing a page. Totally on me. I'm wondering, though, if just the edits I made can be deleted, and not the entire page? The page should be updated, though clearly not by me, since I work for the company. How do I go about requesting that it be updated? Sorry to be a pain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayitwithdata (talk • contribs) 15:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sayitwithdata and thanks for your message. The changes you made were undone immediately, though not due to their nature but rather the highly POV-ed view in which the information was presented (which goes against Wikipedia's anti-promotion guidelines) and partially being provided without sources to verify the statements. I re-inserted the changes that were sourced (namely the appointment of Adam Elster as CEO) in a more neutral manner and performed routinely cleanup. The article is currently considered for deletion because there is little to no independent reporting on the company for information other than re-hashes of press releases ("drive-by reporting"), thus failing our notability guidelines: WP:GNG (for general articles) and WP:NCORP (for companies).

"Considered" here means that it is up for discussion so the community can determine the article's fate. I triggered this request because I saw no significant change in the subject's notability between May 2017 (when it first got under my radar) and today, when it re-appeared on my watchlist. The article will remain active until a consensus is reached and might stay active after that if the discussion results in no consensus or consensus against deletion. If the subject's notability through independent sources can be demonstrated (either by you or anyone else) that article will most likely remain active. I might be able to help out in seeking sources for the article if I find the time, but a 30-minute source hunt I performed earlier today bore no fruit.

If you have any further questions, please let me know. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 16:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Gotcha. And thank you!! I'm happy to provide sources to prevent deletion, though I'm not sure what I can give you that you couldn't already find in your search. Independent sources in this case would include industry analysts like Gartner, Novarica, and Celent. Insurance industry-specific media like Coverager, Insurance Innovation Reporter, and ITA Pro would be other sources - though mostly they cover our news in their own "voice." Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. And thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sayitwithdata (talk • contribs) 16:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Sayitwithdata, basically, to demonstrate notability, there should be "significant coverage" (see GNG as linked above), so that a lot can be said about the subject without the need of original research or the need to rely on primary (subject-published/-written) sources. If you could provide some secondary (independent) sources that you believe can demonstrate notability for Majesco, we could determine their reliability (see also WP:RSP for a list of known reliable and unreliable sources). Lordtobi (✉) 17:34, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Also note that, even if the article is deleted, it can be recreated anytime should the topic come to meet the notability threshold at some point in the future. Lordtobi (✉) 06:52, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

The Sims Studio

I noticed a while back that you changed the developer of later Sims titles from "The Sims Studio" to "Maxis". Just asking, why did you do that? Origin displays the latter as the developer for The Sims 4 and some Sims 3 branded products, but strangely for the rest of The Sims 3 they display "Maxis". I think they used to display "The Sims Studio" as the developer a while back on Origin before EA revived the Maxis name, but I honestly don't know. I'm keeping them how they are as it's a bit too confusing. Luigitehplumber (talk) 22:32, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, the Sims Studio was an utterly malsourced mess so I attempted to attempted to grab a few sources and there were... none. Except for a few that outlined "the Sims studio" while describing Maxis. To avoid further contentious issues, I merger the article back into Maxis and handled it as though they were synonymous. I'm jet to determine whether this was a mistake but sourcing is scarce: Re-reviewing this led me to find this Eurogamer article that claims that "in 2006, EA transferred all development of The Sims franchise to The Sims Studio, a division of Maxis, so the developer, and Will Wright, could focus on Spore." but then a Develop feature says "EA The Sims Studio - Founded: 2008 (as part of EA’s The Sims publishing label)", where it remarks that the label was created as part of a restructuring that happened in 2007. Yet, a "The Sims Division" existed as far back as October 2006 and Nancy Smith of The Sims Studio stated that the label in question came about in 2006. The Sims Studio was active until at least August 2014. Some sources claim the "The Sims Studio" is/was the nom de plume of Maxis' Redwood Shores studio (and I'm not even sure how official the name "Maxis Redwood Shores" is). I can only go so far without engulfing myself in original research on this one, but we can probably say that "The Sims Studio" was the developer at some point. So if you wish you can re-insert them into the respective pages. If possible, go by the name on the box or in the credits, and avoid original research. Lordtobi (✉) 06:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I’m gonna keep them as Maxis Redwood Shores, in order to avoid confusion with Maxis' ex-Original studio in Walnut Creek and the relocated studio in Emeryville that made Spore and SimCity 2013. Do you know for sure if EA Salt Lake developed some of The Sims 3 expansions? To be honest, I think they did as if you’ve seen in 2012, Supernatural and Seasons were released close to each other and in 2013, it’s the same with Island Paradise and Into the Future, basically alternating if you get what I mean. Luigitehplumber (talk) 10:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, I don't think that's a good idea. For one, the present Maxis headquarters are in Redwood City, not Redwood Shores. Furthermore, this office is the new headquarters of the company since Maxis' Emeryville studio closed in 2015, and its only office since EA Salt Lake was shut down in 2017, so the amalgamated name does not (and to my knowledge, has never) had official name status. The corporate entity "Maxis" remains "Maxis", even if it is somewhere else and employs different people. The Sims Studio/post-Emeryville-Maxis also had representations in both Redwood (City|Shores) and Salt Lake City, so just putting "Maxis Redwood Shores" would discredit the latter if they worked on it (and they probably did). I strongly advise to stick to reliable sources or the game's credits/box. If no good sources exist, go for press releases or otherwise primary sources (let it be Origin listings if it must be), but avoid original research at all cost. Lordtobi (✉) 11:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

So, should I revert all the Redwood Shores edits to simply “Maxis” or something? Same for the Salt Lake developed Sims 3 expansions? Luigitehplumber (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

LTPHarry, simply put, check the information you have available, instead of coming up with new information, even if it is done in good faith. If it says "Maxis", put "Maxis". If it says "The Sims Studio" (my bold assumption is that this was valid 2008-September 2015), put "The Sims Studio". Lordtobi (✉) 11:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

So far, I’ve checked various sources. I found one on the site girlgamersuk.com which is an interview regarding University Life with the game's assistant producer who is said to be based at EA Salt Lake at the time of the game's release. I’m still searching for the others to see who developed them. Luigitehplumber (talk) 12:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

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KSM

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=THQ_Nordic_AB&type=revision&diff=911055582&oldid=910863446

Sorry, but please Wikipedia:Verifiability. In the original press release was never say KSM be merged with Koch Films. It Says that KSM be a 100% part of the group under KSM subsidiary of Koch Films. https://www.ksmfilm.de/news/2019/koch-films-gmbh-ubernimmt-ksm-gmbh/ Sorry for my bad englisch, but I am an natuarly german-speaker. --Natsu Dragoneel (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Natsu Dragoneel, sourced on the relevant article, Koch Media. The source reads:

KSM GmbH is one of the leading anime film providers in Germany. The seller is Benjamin Krause, who founded the company in 2002. It will be merged with Koch Films GmbH and thereby integrated into the current Koch Media business

If any questions remain, please let me know. Lordtobi (✉) 19:48, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the Answer. In the german press release was this not to read. Thanks for the source. --Natsu Dragoneel (talk) 19:53, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

THQ Nordic subsidiaries

Hello. In regards to THQ Nordic, I highly doubt their buying spree is over. Would is be worthwhile to create a new page for a full listing of their subsidiaries? Similar to List of Ubisoft subsidiaries. I'm more than willing to create this page, but I really feel that even the minority investments are worthwhile information to have on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikizeta (talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikizeta, the difference here is that THQ Nordic / soon-to-be Embracer Group is highly hierarchical, it has three main subsidiaries (THQ Nordic GmbH, Koch Media Holding, and Coffee Stain Holding) and a few minor holding companies (We Sing Company Holding AB and THQ Nordic Lager [1-3] AB). When I originally wrote the article for THQ Nordic, I envisioned the list to only include the direct subsidiaries with links to their articles, where more details can be found. For Ubisoft, the list article makes sense because Ubisoft has a pretty flat hierarchy where practically all studios report directly to the Montreuil headquarters (an exception being Ubisoft Blue Byte, which has three branded sub-studios that report to the Düsseldorf office first). If we structure THQ Nordic's subsidiaries in the same way, we would have to awkwardly categorize them by parent companies, which is effectively duplicating the information the parent companies' individual articles already have. I would rather propose reverting the list back to only direct subsidiaries, so we don't have to deal with this kind of a company tree. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 07:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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Katana (disambiguation)

Sorry, my mistake, not sure what happened there! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:29, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Shhhnotsoloud, no problem at all! This happened to me so often, too. Lordtobi (✉) 18:31, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

The Coalition

Hi. You reverted Game list with Gears Pop! and Gears: Tactics. The Coalition manage Gears of Wars franchining like 343 Industries with Halo and Turn10 with Forza, so every game in the same universe are directly developed or produced by The Coalition. In this case, I know that GP is develop by MediaTonic but with TC collaboration and GT is with Splash Damage, but it's a collaboration. Works like narrative, quality and productions are always by The Coalition's hands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaulForGlory (talk • contribs) 07:07, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi RaulForGlory. Xbox Game Studios is in charge of brand management, so The Coalition is not necessarily involved with every game in the series. This is especially here, where the games are obscure spin-offs. Could you provide a reliable source that outlines The Coalition's involvement in either game? Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 07:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure, Lordtobi.

There is a lot of articles like this https://www.windowscentral.com/gears-tactics-coming-xbox-confirms-coalitions-rod-fergusson, and it reports "The Coalition is Microsoft's studio dedicated to the Gears of War franchise".

Lewis Harvey is the "Publishing Producer at The Coalition", there is linkdln profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/lewis-harvey-97007726/ and hi works on Gears Pop! and Gears Tactis too. Bonnie Jean M. is a "Franchise Narrative Lead for Gears of War" at The Coalition (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-jean-m-b091409/), franching narrative, because as I say The Coalition manages the gears franchise. I hope it's enough ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaulForGlory (talk • contribs) 09:19, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

RaulForGlory, we're looking for reliable sources (gaming news websites, etc.) that explicitly state that The Coalition is involved in the games' development. Xbox manages the brand but The Coalition is presently the dedicated developer for the franchise's mainline games. Thus, some producers (e.g. for quality assurance) from The Coalition will have had a hand in the two spin-offs, but that does not automatically make The Coalition the developer. Specifically in the Windows Central source you linked, Rod Fergusson is asked "Speaking about tactics, who's the team behind it??", to which he replied, "It's a great team at [Splash Damage]". This GIbiz article suggests the same for Gears Pop!. If The Coalition is not the developer for these games, they shouldn't be listed as having been developed by The Coalition. Lordtobi (✉) 10:09, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi if you want, we don't talk about 'develop' but 'collaboration' with theese other studios. I can add another section to The Coalition page after 'Games developed' section, this will be the correct way I suppose, what do you think? "franchise's mainline games" isn't a thing, 'franchise' is about Gears of War not only a games, this is because The Coalition is involved with comics too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaulForGlory (talk • contribs) 10:32, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

If "collaborated" here only means "X asked Y to do Z", then no, we should not list it. The Coalition should have had an active, significant involvement in the development. Lordtobi (✉) 10:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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Ubisoft

Hello

why you changed my Subsidiaries "See Subsidiaries" to " See List of Ubisoft subsidiaries"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 13:11, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jicco123, there is a specialized list article located at List of Ubisoft subsidiaries. I think it is better to link to that article than to a section in the same article that has purposefully condensed information. Would you disagree with that? Lordtobi (✉) 13:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I dont understand the change for what do you need more articels with same information? Im not long on wikipedia but for each new information always a new articel? Make not sense for me Why you dont delete Subsidiaries section when you have a link to other articel? Or why you dont put the other articel in the Subsidiaries section? But ok you are longer on wikipedia and you will know what you do

sorry for my english is not best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Jicco123: The list article covers Ubisoft's past and present studios in some detail, which is a lot of information given the high number of studios. Because this would not fit the main Ubisoft article, it is turned into a separate article instead. The respective section on Ubisoft's article presents a very concise table to given an overview but refers to the list article as its main counter-part. Lordtobi (✉) 18:08, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Whats your problem? why you always change my changes? Wikipedia is for all not only for you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Jicco123, you seem to be making random edits that defy our (style) guidelines. I left a message on your talk page with useful links. I advise you to review our guidelines first or check out the tutorial. Lordtobi (✉) 20:09, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Habe gelesen du kannst deutsch. Ich schreibe mal auf deutsch kann ich besser darauf antworten.

Jetzt mal eine wirklich ernst gemeinte Frage bist du wirklich "so dumm" oder willst du mich gerade nur angehen? Wenn ich angeblich "random" Änderungen machen würde dann nenne mir bitte Beispiele? Das einzige was ich bis dato alles bei Wikipedia geändert habe waren lediglich Wörter/Sätze wo habe ich dann also etwas "random" geändert? Ich wusste gar nicht das es die Informationsaufnahme stört wenn ich ein Wort oder einen Satz umändere und das gleich unter "random" Änderungen fällt weil ich etwas überflüssiges lösche bzw. etwas sinnvolles hinzufüge? Ist nur irgendwie bisschen komisch das sich noch keiner beschwert hat außer du? Und keiner meine Änderungen sofort wieder umgeändert hat? Du bist der erste und wahrscheinlich auch der letzte. Ein Beispiel noch zum Thema "random" Änderungen ich habe im Ubisoft Artikel eine Verlinkung zu den vorhandenen Tochtergesellschaften Abschnitt gemacht wurde von dir wieder umgeändert weil es einen Artikel darüber gibt das zum Thema "random" Änderungen! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Auf Xbox Game Studios hast du einen Link zu The Initiative hinzugefügt.

War das öffentlich einsehbar? Habe keine Änderungen gespeichert habe lediglich für mich Tests durchgeführt. Falls eine Speicherung passierte kann ich nichts dafür und es tut mir dann auch nicht wirklich leid. Ist ja nicht meine Schuld? 

In mehreren Bearbeitungen[5][6][7] bestehst du darauf, die Korrekt formatierten Paragraph-Verlinkungen (etwa "§ Studios") durch einen "Plain Link" auszutauschen. Ersteres ist wichtig um zu symbolisieren, dass es sich um den Namen eines Abschnitts, nicht etwa einen anderen Artikel handelt.

Das ein Paragraph enthalten sein muss war mir nicht bewusst dann werde ich es machen.

In vielen Fällen enthielten diese Änderungen das Entfernen der dafür spezialisierten Vorlage {{section link}}, die besonders zur Vermeidung von Formfehlern benutzt wird.

Es führen viele Wege nach Rom.

Wenn interessiert das ob ich eine "speziell" dafür angefertigte Funktion nehme oder eine andere die genau das gleiche tut?

Dieses Beharren wird fortgeführt, auch nachdem ich mehrfach darum gebeten hatte, das korrekte Format beizubehalten.

Oben diskutiert wurde, was für ein Link in der "Infobox" zu Ubisoft erscheinen sollte, um auf eine Liste an Studios zu verweisen. Wie bereits angesprochen wurde für die Ubisoft-Studio-Auflistung ein externer Listenartikel erstellt, da das vorhandene Informationsvolumen den Rahmen des Primärartikels sprengen würde

Wenn du der Meinung bist kannst du das ja bei allen Publishern machen sprengt nämlich bei fast jeden den Rahmen. Dann braucht man auch keine einzelnen Artikel mehr wird ja alles in anderen erklärt.

und ich war der Meinung, dass ein Link zu jener Liste sinnvoller sei als zu der weniger detaillierten Tabelle

Dann mach dir doch die Arbeit und mach die Tabelle detailliert.

die nur als Übersicht dienen soll

Gut dann schreibe ich demnächst einen Artikel der nur 4 Wörter beinhaltet.

"soll nur als Übersicht dienen"

Dieser Meinung hast du in obiger Diskussion nichts entgegengestellt

Stimmt habe nichts dagegen gestellt heißt aber noch lange nicht das ich es befürworte ich finde es quatsch alles doppelt und dreifach wiederzugeben Und wenn man etwas ändern will wird es ja gleich von einem gewissen Herr wieder umgeändert.

Auch genannt in dieser Diskussion war die Kopfnote für den Abschnitt "Subsidiaries" im Ubisoft-Artikel. Diese Kopfnote verweist auf den externen Listenartikel mit der Notiz, dass dieser weitaus mehr Informationen enthält als die minifizierte Tabelle. Kaum hast du dies zur Kenntnis genommen, hast du die Kopfnote prompt entfernt.

Du wiederholst dich keine Lust erneut darauf zu antworten.

Darüber hinaus hast du in derselben Bearbeitung den Abschnitt "Former" als Unterabschnitt des "Subsidiaries"-Abschnitts entfernt und zu einem eigenen Top-Level-Abschnitt umformatiert, wodurch der Kontext, dass es sich um ehemalige Tochterfirmen handelt, verloren geht

Du weißt aber schon was das bedeutet? Nur weil es "ehemalige" Tochtergesellschaften sind heißt es doch nicht das die aus der Welt sind. Sie gehören genauso zu der Unternehmensgeschichte dazu wie noch vorhandene.

Weiterhin fügte die Bearbeitung den fettgeschrieben Text "Ubisoft Entertainment SA owns 49 game studios worldwide (43 active, 6 closed)" hinzu. Da der Text fettgeschrieben ist, müsste es sich um den Titel des Artikels oder eine kontextsensitive Stilisierung handeln; keins von beidem ist der Fall

Es ist bestimmt von Vorteil wenn sich jemand für so etwas interessiert demjenigen mitzuteilen wie viel es von der Sache gibt.

Das es nicht fett markiert sein darf war mir nicht bewusst.

Außerdem ist keine der drei Zahlen korrekt, da die direkt darunter platzierte Tabelle 46 aktive und 14 inaktive Studios aufweist

Das kommt davon wenn man andere Artikel verlinkt zu viele Informationen am Ende passiert dann so etwas.

Der exakt gleiche Text wurde ebenfalls per Copy-and-Paste unter "Former" aufgeführt. Dazu sei noch gesagt das Ubisoft bereits geschlossene Studios per se nicht mehr besitzt, da sie nicht mehr existieren

Da muss ich dir Recht geben unvorteilhafte Formulierung!

Kommen wir zum Ende es bringt nichts weiter zu diskutieren du vertrittst deinen Standpunkt und ich meinen die Diskussion würde ewig so weiter verlaufen und am Ende stehen wir genau an den Punkt wo wir jetzt stehen. Daher schlage ich vor wir beenden das Ganze und von meiner Seite wird keine Antwort mehr folgen.

Hollywood Professional Association

Hi. I just made an addition to the awards section in the Unreal Engine article. It's from the Hollywood Professional Association, which seems to be the new name for Hollywood Post Alliance. An anonymous user suggested in the talk moving the page, as there is evidence that they are the same organization, just with a different name. Could you please update the article? Hakken (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Hakken, done. The article is in very poor shape, unfortunately (such as loads of possibly unreliable references, clear POV, etc.), are you looking into improving it or was this just a drive-by observation? Lordtobi (✉) 20:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi, thanks for the update. I have no interest in improving the article. Just wanted a second opinion to make sure they are the same thing. Hakken (talk) 20:43, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

They are the same, the change happened in Feb 2015. The article was created under undisclosed COI in 2012 and then abandoned before someone moved it to mainspace in 2013. Since then, nothing has changed about its content, just a few bot-made or reference-related fixes. This association gets even fewer views than the obscure, mixed-received 1999 video game I brought to GA recently, and that surely is not a good indicator. I might take a stab at rewriting it should I find the time and energy, but the topic is not of my greatest interest (not that I had ever heard of it before either). Lordtobi (✉) 21:05, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hakko

Ich bin es noch mal habe gestern gesehen du hast die Sony Umsatz Zahlen weggemacht warum das jetzt? Habe mir echt Mühe gegeben das alles umzurechnen.

Noch eine Frage bist du ein Wikipedia-Redakteure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 08:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Ich habe das Problem in meinme Bearbeitungskommentar angesprochen: Es werden die Zahlen und Währungen so genutzt, wie Sie in den gegebenen Quellen zu finden sind. Es gibt auf Wikipedia keine "primäre Währung" die als alternative Anzeige genutzt werden sollte, da nicht jede Währung für jeden Leser gleichverständlich ist. Darüber hinaus verändert sich die Umrechnung JPY–USD stetig; es ist nicht gegeben mit welchem Wechselkurs die Umrechnung stattgefunden hat oder sie fortan noch richtig ist. Es gibt meist keine Quellen die diese Umrechnungen aus zeitlicher Sicht repräsentieren. Als Randbemerkung sei noch gesagt, dass du eingetragen hattest, dass Sony "$81,3 billion" Umsatz gemacht hatte; im Englischen und Deutschen sind die Separatoren vertauschen also gleicht der Zahl im Englischen sinngemäß $81,300,000,000,000. Grüße, Lordtobi (✉) 11:34, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

"Es werden die Zahlen und Währungen so genutzt, wie Sie in den gegebenen Quellen zu finden sind"

Ich habe nichts an den originalen Zahlen verändert. Habe etwas hinzugefügt.

"Es gibt auf Wikipedia keine "primäre Währung" die als alternative Anzeige genutzt werden sollte, da nicht jede Währung für jeden Leser gleichverständlich ist"

Ich habe doch auch nicht gesagt das es eine primäre Währung wäre? Na ja da sich der Artikel an englischsprachige Leser richtet sollte man ein Grundverständnis erwarten können wenn man mit englischen Zahlen , Währungen oder ähnlichem nicht zu recht kommt kann man ja den deutschen Artikel nutzen.

"Darüber hinaus verändert sich die Umrechnung JPY–USD stetig; es ist nicht gegeben mit welchem Wechselkurs die Umrechnung stattgefunden hat oder sie fortan noch richtig ist. Es gibt meist keine Quellen die diese Umrechnungen aus zeitlicher Sicht repräsentieren"

Da gebe ich dir Recht Umrechnungen egal in welche Währungen verändern sich. Aber da kann man ja dann in Klammern das Datum schreiben damit sichert man sich ab. Wir leben im 21. Jahrhundert, Internet ist fast bei niemanden mehr ein Fremdwort und das bei rund 7,63 Milliarden Menschen es ist sehr leicht heutzutage Dinge herauszufinden somit kannst du davon ausgehen das die Umrechnungen stimmen. Kleiner Tipp: brauchst nur mal 2 Währungen in deine Suchmaschine einzutragen und schon hast du sehr viele seriöse Antworten. Das mit den Quellen stimmt aber nicht ganz habe schon auf sehr vielen Seiten gesehen das eine Umrechnung erfolgte meist in Euro aber das ist denke ich mal kein Problem.

"Als Randbemerkung sei noch gesagt, dass du eingetragen hattest, dass Sony "$81,3 billion" Umsatz gemacht hatte; im Englischen und Deutschen sind die Separatoren vertauschen also gleicht der Zahl im Englischen sinngemäß $81,300,000,000,000"

Es handelt sich hier bei um folgenden Artikel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony ein englischer Artikel also muss ich auch alles in englisch wiedergeben? Der Umsatz liegt bei ¥8.665 trillion also ¥8665000000000 trillion Umrechnung in USD USD81,09573500000 billion englisch da englischer Artikel auch englische Zahlen geschrieben. Wo ist jetzt mein Fehler? Wir sind bei englisch bei deutsch wäre das ein bisschen anders. Da aber im englischen die Billionen unserer Milliarde entspricht stimmt doch alles. Das Englisch und Deutsch andere Bezeichnung ihrer Zahlen haben ist mir bewusst. Ich wollte die USD nur hinzufügen da es bestimmt schön gewesen wäre Lesern zu zeigen wie viel es in USD ist. Da die trillion schon sehr gigantisch wirkt und es könnten einige Leser eventuell denken das es mehr Geld als eigentlich ist. Und ein Punkt noch die größten Unternehmen kommen aus den USA also auch USD.

Jetzt mal etwas anderes neigst du zur Perfektionierung? Da du seit du da bist sehr viele Änderungen von mir gelöscht oder geändert hast. Bestes Beispiel: habe den Ubisoft Namen voll ausgeschrieben gehabt und du hast es in Ubisoft geändert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

"$81,3 billion" (im Englischen mit dem Komma als Tausendertrennzeichen und Punkt als Dezimaltrennzeichen) wäre äquivalent zu "$83.3 trillion", was weitaus mehr wäre als die eigentlichen 8 Billionen Yen (etwa 75 Milliarden USD). Wie bereits gesagt handelte es sich hierbei vermutlich um einen Tippfehler und hätte ein Punkt sein sollen. Das ist aber nebensächlich.

Was wichtig ist, ist mein ursprünglicher Punkt: Die hinzugefügten Zahlen finden sich nicht in Quellen wieder und können nicht garantiert richtig sein, da sich der Wechselkurs durchgehend ändert. Natürlich sei hier gesagt, dass es sich dies größtenteils durch meine Meinung ergibt; es gibt für diesen Fall im Regelwerk keine spezifische Richtline. Ich würde vorschlagen, dass du dich damit an mehr als nur mich wendest, am besten bei Template talk:Infobox company, der Diskussionsseite zur Vorlage für Firmen-Infoboxen. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Companies wäre ebenfalls möglich, jedoch ist das Forum relativ inaktiv. Durch eine erweiterte Diskussion mit Konsens könnte eine bindende Entscheidung getroffen und ins Regelwerk mitaufgennommen werden.

P.S., ja ich bin ein Perfektionist, aber in diesem Fall ist die Nutzung des Kurznamen sinnvoll, da er im Artikel konsistent (mit Ausnahme der Einleitung, welche der entsprechenden Richtlinie folgt) so genutzt wird. Im Bezug auf deine vorausgegangene Nachricht, ich bin mir nicht im klaren, was mit du mit "Wikipedia-Redakteure" meinst. Ich dir auch sehr dankbar, wenn du zukünftige Nachrichten mit vorausgehenden Doppelpunkten indentieren und mittels vier Tilden (~~~~) signieren könntest, damit kann man der Konversation einfacher folgen kann. Grüße, Lordtobi (✉) 16:44, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Ich verstehe zwar immer noch nichts aber es ist mir jetzt egal. Ich denke auch noch immer nicht das ich etwas falsch gemacht habe aber nun gut. Ich mache aber ab jetzt keine Änderungen mehr in solchen Artikeln weswegen hier 2 Diskussionen entstanden sind. Habe nämlich echt keine Lust immer hier anzutanzen und zu fragen warum das gemacht wurde. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:E711:D978:B9EF:14DF:66B1:723 (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Video Game Industry Edit

[8] In regards to "12:32, 6 September 2019‎ Lordtobi talk contribs‎ 76,163 bytes -11‎ Reverted good faith edits by Spy-cicle (talk): "Video game industry" is the formal term, "Industry: Video game" just doesn't sound right, don't you think?" Industry: Video game makes sense as Industry has already been said. Saying Industry: Video game industry is clunky. I mean take other articles like: Columbia Pictures which simply states Industry: Film or Sony Pictures which simply states Industry: Entertainment. More examples include: Pfizer Industry: Pharmaceutical, BT Group Industry: Telecommunications. Spy-cicle (talk) 12:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Spy-cicle, you're right that it sounds natural for the latter examples because there it is either plural, a plurale tantum, or an adjective, whereas "Video game" is singular. I know this is picky but it just doesn't sound or read right. This is why "Video game industry" is commonly used in its full form. Alternatively, "Industry: Video games" could also work. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 12:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Matt Makes Games / Extremely Ok Games

Since you have a good heads up on creating developer articles, maybe this is something for you to figure out or comment on a good approach: Matt Makes Games (we don't have an article but they are beyond Towerfall and Celesta, two important indie games) is closing down, but Matt Thorson is basically starting a new studio Extremely OK Games with the same team. I wonder if we aim for an article on Matt Thorson with both studios redirecting there, or a different solution. (source [9]). --Masem (t) 18:14, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Masem, I think an article about Thorson is the best option here as neither of his studios appear to be notable; Matt Makes Game was mostly a moniker-turned-company and EXOK is only a day old. Should EXOK become notable at some point, we can still split it from Thorson's article then.

There is additional information about MMG/EXOK on GameSpot and Gamasutra (which quote the relevant blog post from EXOK). Some information about Thorson is available on an older version of his website as well as Gamasutra, the 2014 Forbes 30 Under 30 list (VG247 coverage), and this Kill Screen profile. As for Matt Makes Games Inc., it was incorporated in November 2012 but I doubt that this was covered in any regular sources.

Do you think this would suffice for a short-but-proper article? Would you be around to write it? Lordtobi (✉) 19:24, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll start it. --Masem (t) 19:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

And just remembered this [10] that I had come across a few days ago :P --Masem (t) 19:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Dwelling through more Web Archives, I also found this 2008 interview from IndieGames.com: Matt Makes Games ought to be called "Helix Games". Specifically, the name change happened in April 2008. Thorson also linked to this interview once. Source for his birth date (18 March 1988) is found here. Lordtobi (✉) 19:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, article is up, I'll start adding those others. --Masem (t) 20:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Masem, just noticed that, per their Twitter bio, Thorson identifies as non-binary and uses they/them. I haven't read the article yet but I'll boldly assume that the pronouns might need to be changed. Lordtobi (✉) 21:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up, those should be all changed. --Masem (t) 21:11, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Trying to verify which one is Matt from the various GDC pics we have I am presuming they'd be the middle one in this shot? [11] ? (for Matt, that appears the better shot of them of the two in that stream). --Masem (t) 16:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Masem, yep that's them. The photo is already on Commons, too. Lordtobi (✉) 16:31, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Will you change?

Hallo

will Founder bei den Publishern Tabellen hinzufügen wirst du es ändern..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Jicco123, erscheint mir etwas 'overkill', findest du nicht? Im Normalfall existieren Artikel für einzelne Studios die die spezifischen Details enthalten. In Fällen wo die meisten Studios nicht "notable" sind, die insgesamte Menge an Informationen es aber zulässt, entsteht oft eine separater Listenartikel, der die vielen nicht-"notable"n Studios zusammenfasst (wie etwa bei Ubisoft). Willst du dennoch die Tabellen von Publishern direkt anpassen musst du natürlich entsprechende Quellen vorweisen. Bitte denke weiterhin daran, wie auch zuvor angemerkt, deine Nachrichten zu signieren und ggf. zu indentieren. Lordtobi (✉) 19:32, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Verstehe dass das schon benutzt wird aber warum wegmachen? Es wird ja etwas erklärt und das passende Bild dazu ist doch nur von vorteil? Und früher war es auch nicht anders. Hast du eine andere Kontaktmöglichkeit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Es wird erklärt, aber das Bild ist praktisch das erste, was der Leser zu beginn des Artikels sieht. Warum sollte man dem Leser das exakt gleiche zweimal zeigen? Ich bitte weiterhin um Indentierung und Signierung. Lordtobi (✉) 22:54, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Sry du hattest mit den Regeln recht sollte die mal lesen und verstehen kannst du aber mal gucken ob ich irgendwo ein Fehler gemacht habe? Wenn ja schreibe das mir bitte korrigiere dann — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Bin derzeit nicht im Land, kann daher nicht alles überprüfen. Wenn etwas dringend ist, wende dich bitte an Veterane wie Ferret oder Masem, sie haben wesentlich mehr Wissen zu Richtlinien und generell mehr Erfahrung als ich auf der Plattform. Lordtobi (✉) 19:51, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay Danke wäre ein eigener erstellte Studios Zeile notwendig oder nicht so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicco123 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Jicco123, bin nicht sicher was du meinst, bitte erkläre. Lordtobi (✉) 18:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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Do you know it?

Hello

look offi wiki of mojang https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Mojang_AB#History — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:E70C:E192:81FD:DEC7:494B:B09E (talk) 17:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

2003:C1:E70C:E192:81FD:DEC7:494B:B09E, the "offi wiki" is only endorsed, not written by Mojang. Just like Wikipedia, it is written by regular mortals like us and thus is not a reliable source. Yet, reading through the History section seems to reflect similar information as our article does. The difference is that the article here is thoroughly sourced: The Mojang Specifications that made Minecraft was founded in 2009 by Persson, the other Mojang Specifications that Persson started with Jansson still exists and is now Code Club AB. They are not the same company, even if they used the same logo. Lordtobi (✉) 18:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

google founder of mojang and you will see and every source is unserious which sources should one take then ..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:E70C:E158:1023:669D:7E43:763D (talk) 09:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

https://www.directupload.net/file/d/5574/bqecr3dl_png.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:E70C:E158:1023:669D:7E43:763D (talk) 09:59, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

https://www.directupload.net/file/d/5574/aekdn696_png.htm

https://www.directupload.net/file/d/5574/g7le7ha6_png.htm

Offi wiki is good — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:E70C:E158:1023:669D:7E43:763D (talk) 10:07, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikis (especially fan wikis) are not reliable as they are written by people like you and me. Google automatically draws information from such sites and not checked by humans, so also not reliable. For porper sources, see, for example, WP:RS and (specifically for video games) WP:VG/RS. However, I don't think that there is any need to re-source this in the Wikipedia article. For one, the Mojang website reads:

Mojang AB is a games studio based in Stockholm, Sweden. We were founded in 2009 by Markus "Notch" Persson.

Also, per this feature article on TechRadar (which is used a lot in the Wikipedia article), Persson was there in 2009, then in September 2010, Porsér joined and Mojang became the AB we have today. A lot of people consider Carl Manneh as a founder because he was the CEO, but he only joined after Daniel Kaplan. Should Manneh be considered a founder, Kaplan would have to be too, just as Markus Toivonen and Jens Bergensten, who were also hired early on. However, only Persson is officially considered a founder, and he was the only 'employee' for over a year, so this should remain unchanged in the article. Lordtobi (✉) 10:13, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

is called CO founder — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C1:E70C:E158:1023:669D:7E43:763D (talk) 10:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

No, that's not how "co-founder" works. It's just an English language quirk, not a new thing. The "co" prefix translates to "with " or "also", it means that a given person was one of multiple. For example, Yves Guillemot is the co-founder of Ubsioft (which has five founders), Gabe Newell is the co-founder of Valve Corporation (two founders), but Trip Hawkins is the founder of Electronic Arts and Markus Persson is the founder of Mojang. Mojang considers neither Manneh, nor Porser or Kaplan as founders, so neither should we. Lordtobi (✉) 11:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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50,000 edit barnstar

The Video game Barnstar

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Well done sir. Heroe Of Time (talk) 12:01, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I think lordtobi should wear this barnstar as he has more than 63,000 edits. Well done! Heroe Of Time (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Scene releases

XREL is a database, not a forum. If you prefer a source without comments/user uploads, I can link to SrrDB or better yet a PreDB. Media sites don't give a damn about reliability when it comes to pirated games, the ONLY WAY for a release to even be known is a PreDB and/or release database! You know where "reliable" shitty sites like Polygon/Kotaku/etc. get their info about a game getting cracked? CrackWatch, which is a forum! LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.164.38 (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Cracking databases and forums are something rarely touched upon here (except for the Denuvo debacle), but Wikipedia's guidelines are clear: There is a need for reliable sources. If our "shitty sites" have this, why don't you use them? I can't magically make xREL & co. reliable, but you could try contacting WT:VG to gather if there is a reliable source for this. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 18:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Because these sites (which get their info from web forums, do you really think that Kotaku downloads and tests pirated shit?) don't cover everything. PreDB does NOT LIE. These groups DO NOT JUST CLAIM THEY CRACK, THEY ACTUALLY DO CRACK. Take a look at the ISO... groups do not fake. Fake releases get you scenebanned almost instantly and more importantly SHOW UP AS FAKE IN PRE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.164.38 (talk)

And how does a common mortal verify that? I could link to our guidelines for verifiability again if you need. Again, you might have more luck at WT:VG, as there are people with knowledge of both Wikipedia's guidelines and video games. There is no point in edit warring. Lordtobi (✉) 19:13, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

That old thing with spaces

I decided to remove again the spaces from references since I still believe it's waste of space, plus I found an efficient way to do it with Find & Replace (your script didn't work for me for some reason). I hope there won't be any edit wars this time 😩. Friendly regards —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 11:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Dimsar01, I agree that edit warring over this is completely useless for something this minuscule. I still believe that readability goes over space usage, but I won't interfere. One thing I did revert is the category sorting. If a pipe is provided for a category, it is used as the sorting key within that category. Since the ESC2020 page is the primary page for the category, it should receive the empty (space) key so it is listed at the very top of the category at all times. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 11:43, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Oh yeah, no problem with that. Had forgotten about it so it's a mistake of mine. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 11:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

And enabling Syntax Highlighting might be very helpful as well, since it uses a monospaced font. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 11:42, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

2K revision

Hey, 2K Chengdu was indeed founded in June 2011: http://web.archive.org/web/20130417170231/http://www.2kchina.com/en/content/2k-chengdu

Between April 2010 and November 2011, 2K Australia "disappeared" because it turned into a 2K Marin studio: https://kotaku.com/2k-studio-name-madness-continues-with-new-xcom-game-5518388.

In terms of formatting, I edited the Electronic Arts studios' section just like I did on 2K and the reason why I did the same with 2K is to the fact that Hangar 13 and Visual Concepts have a lot of studios. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YouHateThePlayer (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

YouHateThePlayer, thanks for the source on 2K Chengdu, I was not aware of this archived version of the website. As for 2K Australia, I am aware that it was part of 2K Marin, but I don't recall it being named "2K Marin Australia" or "Irrational Games Canberra" before that (it was rather just "2K Marin's studio in Australia" and originally "Irrational Games Australia"). Similarly, I see no indication that H13's Czech branch is officially named "Hangar 13 Czech Republic". Original research should be avoided.

The information in these lists is also intentionally concise; if you look at the statement "Acquired in August 2005 as Irrational Games Canberra, the studio became 2K Australia in August 2007, then 2K Marin Australia in April 2010 and again 2K Australia in November 2011. The studio closed in April 2015.", it is rather a lot of information to be stuffed into such a short list. Apart from 2K Hangzhou and PAM Development, all defunct studios have their articles that provide detailed information. Although there is no formal guideline for this, the common way to handle such lists is that they should only state the key factors, which for the most part is foundation, acquisition, closure. I did include the rebrand with 2K Vegas as there was no other place to put it, and a source could be provided.

As for the formatting, you will find a large discrepancy between the individual items from the active studios and the defunct studios. There also shouldn't be any whitespace between punctuation and references or bold names. Some information (such as the more precise acquisition dates for Venom and PAM) appears to be unsourced, and you removed some sources, such as the one stating 2K Vegas' foundation date. That's not to say that my version is sourced perfectly; I reviewed the list again and I do see some holes, which I will look into addressing soon. I will also re-add 2K Hangzhou per the source adjacent to 2K Chengu's in the Web Archive.

Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 15:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

VTM Redemption

Thank you for your edit regarding the release date of the above game. I'm a bit concerned though because while it is a press release from Activision, every other site I can find says June 7, from Steam, to GOG, to reviews released on that day. As the press release doesn't specify it was released on June 14 but just that it was available by that time, do we have any other evidence that it was not shipped until that date? Or that the Activision release is relating to a different region where it was released later? Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 13:55, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Darkwarriorblake, the source stems from Activision's U.S. press center, so I do believe that it would be correct, and it says that it is "now available". Naturally, we should prefer sources that came out at or after the release, but if it is a different date everywhere else, the press release date does appear somewhat sketchy. I couldn't find any other release date indicators on Activision's site, though Nihilistic Software's site says that game was out by June 11. GameSpot mentions that the game was released in the Jun4-Jun10 week. Gone Gold (a site that tracked released in the early noughties) lists the original June 7 date (and European releases; July 7 for the Netherlands, June 30 for the UK and Ireland). I don't think anyone ever checked Gone Gold's reliability, though. Consequently, I think the press release might have been published on delay and worded poorly to suggest an incorrect release date. If you want you can revert to the prior date (possibly using Gone Gold as a backup source), I'll dwell through the Web Archive some more and see if I can find anything better. P.S.: The Mac date should probably be mentioned in the infobox as well. Lordtobi (✉) 14:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@Darkwarriorblake I restored the original date for now, though also with the original source. Would you consider Gone Gold as suitable for verifying the release date? Lordtobi (✉) 11:15, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it is suitable for an FA, but I also don't think that it needs sourcing beyond the existing sourcing even if its pre-release referencing as the date can be found on any source you look at. The unspecified Activision press-release is the only thing I've ever seen with an alternate date on it, so unless someone starts challenging that, I don't think any further referencing is required. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Here's another company article...

Ustwo - I've established the notability, but I know you have great wiki-wizardry skills on validating the business details, if you want to help. --Masem (t) 16:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Masem, I won't be able to invest a lot of time in this today, but you can look up some basic details here. Note, for example, that the company was called "Us Two Studio" until 2015 (sources usually say "Ustwo Studios" because it adopted the stylization sometime in between) before it was renamed "Uswto Fampany". Under "Filing history" you can also find financial reports with subsidiaries lists (among the subsidiaries is Ustwo Games Ltd) and other information. Lordtobi (✉) 18:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your work on game company articles. I think you do a really good job bringing those articles together. TarkusABtalk/contrib 20:33, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks man, really means a lot to me! Lordtobi (✉) 11:14, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

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2K Montreal and Take-Two Hong Kong?

I read up on Take-Two's annual report for this year and compared it to last year's, they added two subsidiaries (2K Studios Montreal, Inc. & Take-Two Hong Kong Limited), does this indicate new locations or are these labels possibly just for tax purposes? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 00:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, Take-Two Hong Kong Limited was incorporated on 2018-09-20, 2K Studios Montréal, Inc. on 2019-02-20. This means that both have had nothing announced about them for at least eight months. Maybe they are preparations for new studios, maybe just holding companies. Since only the subsidiaries list names them, we shouldn't jump ship just yet and wait for a proper announcement. Lordtobi (✉) 06:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi, When I listened to T2's webcast for their annual meeting of shareholders, the Hong Kong protests were mentioned and Strauss Zelnick gave his opinion on the matter, also stating that they don't have an office in Hong Kong. It's a bit confusing. UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 06:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, this further suits the notion that they are just creating holding companies. The section on leases also makes no mention of an office in Hong Kong. Lordtobi (✉) 07:32, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Lordtobi, do we know which other ventures besides NBA 2K League that T2 owns shares in? UnknownAssassin1819 (talk) 08:24, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

UnknownAssassin1819, this is usually not listed in business registers, so I know only as much as the ARs include, sorry. BTW, you don't need to ping me, this is my talk page :) Lordtobi (✉) 22:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your endless contributions to gaming-related articles

Timur9008 (talk) 18:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Timur9008, thanks man, means a lot! :) Lordtobi (✉) 22:50, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rockstar San Diego

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Microsoft

Hallo,

warum änderst du alles? Ich verstoße gegen keine Regeln. Bis zur Erklärung werde ich es rückgängig machen. Bin ein wenig verwirrt da die Änderungen schon länger bestehen und es niemand als falsch oder so angesehen hat. Und auf ein mal wird alles geändert?

Jicco123 (talk) 14:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Die meisten meiner Bearbeitungen dienen dazu, den status quo und die Richtlinen der Englisch Wikipedia aufrechtzuerhalten. So werden z.B. nicht-Eigennamen wie "chief executive officer" und "board of directors" nicht in "Title Case" geschrieben, sonder in ganz normalem "sentence case". Vgl. mit anderen Berufsbezeichnungen wie "maths teacher", nicht "Maths Teacher". Darüber hinaus sind "Senior leaders" usw. thematisch Teil der "Corporate affairs", wo bereits eine Sektion für den Aufsichtsrat existierte, also sind die relevanten Sektionen in die "Corporate affairs"-Sektion überführt worden, bzw. die zwei Sektionen zum Aufsichtsrat kombiniert worden. Weitere Begründung befinden sich in meine Bearbeitungskommentaren zu den jeweils relevanten Bearbeitungen. Einige angewandte Richtlinien habe ich bereits zuvor verlinkt. Lordtobi (✉) 15:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Ich weiß das bei Überschriften nur der Anfangsbuchstabe großgeschrieben werden darf. Aber sonst sind keine Verstöße vorzufinden daher einen schönen Tag noch.

Ps. Das mit Avoid WP:OR -- original research der originale Artikel ist doch verlinkt und die Übersicht zeigt auch nur die wertvollsten (gibt es auch auf vielen Seiten).

Jicco123 (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Bezüglich OR; alle Werte auf der Listenseite verstehen sich ohne Inflation, daher erscheint es mir unwahrscheinlich, dass sie einfach addiert und als "wertvollste" Reihenfolge aufgelistet werden können. Natürlich bewege ich mich nicht zu oft in dem Themenfeld, daher kann ich auf falsch liegen. Einige Beispiele deinerseits wären sehr erwünscht. Nichtsdestotrotz hat bereits ein anderer Nutzer angemerkt, dass dort eine Quelle angebrächt wäre. Alle anderen Änderungen in Berzug zu Groß- und Kleinschreibungen verstehen sich nicht nur für Sektionsköpfe, sondern auch für Texte, in der Infobox wie auch in Tabellen und Prosa. Weiterhin würde es sehr hilfreich sein (hier, als auch auf anderen Talk-Seiten), wenn du deine Kommentare einrückst, indem du Doppelpunkte vornedranhängst. Weitere Informationen dazu unter WP:INDENT. Lordtobi (✉) 16:50, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Verstanden werde das Groß- und Kleinschreibung beachten

Dennoch Bin extra in einen anderen Bereich gewechselt und jetzt werden meine Änderungen immer noch geändert? Es haben schon andere User gesehen und hatten keine Probleme? Ich bekomme den Gedanken nicht los das du einen Hass auf mich schiebst Beispiel: Es steht seit Wochen da Microsoft Coporation has paid und es gab keine Probleme. Ich verstehe es echt nicht ich verstoße gegen keine Regeln. Deswegen solange ich gegen keine Regeln verstoße akzeptiere ich auch nicht deine Änderungen. Wenn du Fehler verbessern würdest würde ich es ja verstehen aber so? Selbe bei Electrpnic Arts Divisions zu Sub-Companys warum? Es steht sogar auf den Artikelseiten das es Divisons sind keine Ahnung es gibt auch andere User die Sachen ändern können es ist nicht deine Pflicht alles und jeden zu überwachen. Und nochmals wären Fehler/Verstöße dabei hätten mich wahrscheinlich schon längst andere User darauf hingewiesen.

Wenn du Fehler/Verstöße findest kannst du es mir gerne mitteilen und nicht immer meine (ganzen) Änderungen ändern kostet nämlich auch Zeit.

Bei anderen bist du auch nicht so hartnäckig warum nur bei mir? Bin ich weniger wert? Siehe den XGS Artikel du hast die Notes entfernt ein anderer User hat es wieder hinzugefügt und er hat dir nicht mal auf die Frage warum geantwortet und da nimmst du es auch hin. Nicht verständlich.

Jicco123 (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Nur weil andere Nutzer sich nicht die Mühe machen, Fehler zu korrigieren, heißt es nicht, dass es keiner Fehler sind. Microsoft ist seit drei Jahren auf meiner Watchlist und auch ich habe diese Änderungen aufgeschoben, bis mir genügend Zeit zur Verfügung stand. Entsprechend liegt hier keine persönliche Nutzerpräferenz vor. Das ich oft deine Bearbeitungen abändere liegt schlussendlich daran, dass du dich weigerst, aus deinen Fehlern zu lernen. Beispielsweise habe ich bereits im Bezug auf mehrere Seiten in früheren Diskussionen erwähnt, dass innerhalb eines Artikels der "common name" genutzt wird. Für Microsoft ist das "Microsoft", für Ubisoft "Ubisoft", usw. Der volle ("legale") Name wird nach unseren Richtlinien nur im ersten Satz des Artikels ausgeschrieben. Desweiteren wir für die Bearbeitung, die du hier zurückgestellt hast, klar die Richtlinie MOS:NUM verlinkt. Neben dem Grammatikfehler in "$63.2 billion US-Dollar" (also verbos "Dollar 63.2 billion US-Dollar", wobei "US-Dollar" klar deutsch, nicht englisch ist) soll eine Nummer im Kontext mit "million", "billion", usw., mit einem Non-Breaking Space   versehen werden, damit die Zahl am Einer Zeile nicht überbricht, und "billion" soll auf 1,000,000,000 verlinkt werden, da "Billion" in mehreren Sprachen (wie etwa deutsch) anderes heißen kann, als auf englisch. Da du die Änderung zurückgestellt hast müsste man davon ausgehen, dass du die Richtline, die in dem Kommentar verlink war, auch gelesen hast. Zu guter Letzt sei gesagt, dass eine Indentierung, wie oben (und in soziemlich jeder vorausgegangenen Diskussion) vermekt, sehr hilfreich wäre. Die Richtline ist oben verlinkt. Lordtobi (✉) 17:57, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Kannst du mir meine Fehler auflisten? Es ist besser wenn ich es selbst behebe somit ist der Lernfaktor viel höher als wenn du nur die Änderungen rückgängig machst ich weiß dann meistens nie warum weil es ja keine Regelbrüche sind.

Das kann ich gerne demnächst machen, heute fehlt dafür jedoch die Zeit. Lordtobi (✉) 19:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

EA

meine Frage wurde immer noch nicbt beantwortet warum es jetzt Sub- heißt? subsidiary : Tochtergesellschaft divions : Abteilungen da die Studios bereits unter EA arbeiten können es keine Tochtergesellschaften sein da die Studios die Abteilungen selbst gegründet haben. Jicco123 (talk) 12:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Bei den gelisteten Entitäten handelt es sich um Unterstudios der Studios von EA; diese können entweder Divisions oder Subsidiaries sein, letztere sind dabei formal in Firmenregistern eingetragen, erstere nicht. Über den Kontext her ist nicht klar, warum diese Unterstudios separat von den anderen Studios gelistet werden, obwohl sie auch Studios sind, nur tiefer in der Hierarchie. Exemplarisch dafür die Unparallelität von DICE LA ("Division") und DICE Canada ("Studio"). Unteranderem ist BioWare Austin dabei auch keine Division, sondern eine Subsidiary mit dem Unternehmensnamen "BioWare Austin, LLC". Die Seite sollte eine gewisse Konsistenz/Uniformität aufweisen. Zuvor (bevor du alle respektiven Quellen entfernt hast) gab es eine gut strukturierte Liste für die Studios, mit der die Hierarchie gut zu sehen war. In einer Tabelle ist dies schwerer darzustellen. Lordtobi (✉) 12:49, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Und wenn es keine Divisions sind warum geben die Artikel es dann so wieder?

Die Quellen sind doch alle wieder da hatte die nur wegen der Übersicht )für mich) entfernt

Wer entscheidet eig. über den Artikelaufbau? Und wer entscheidet wie etwas genannt wird? Da deine Änderungen professioneller wirken aber keinen wirklichen Unterschied zu meinen haben verstehe ich deine Änderung nicht? Ich meine wenn sowas wie im MS Artikel ist dann gut aber so? Jicco123 (talk) 18:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Du musst immer daran denken, dass jemand mit wesentlich weniger Detailswissen diesen Artikel lesen könnte und dabei einen Abschnit "Divisions" findet, der äquivalent zu einem anderen Abschnitt namens "Studios" ist, ohne das klar ist, warum sie getrennt sind. Der Titel "Divisions" ist dabei irreführend, da die gelisteten Studios nicht alle Divisionen sonder teilweise "richtige" (inkorportierte) Tochterfirmen sind, und in der Firmenhierarchie nicht direkt unter EA liegt. Ich bin nicht sicher was du meinst mit:

Und wenn es keine Divisions sind warum geben die Artikel es dann so wieder?

Keines der Unterstudios hat derzeit einen eigenen Artikel. Es ist möglich, dass einige der Studios Divisionen sind (DICE LA zum Beispiel), aber das ist, wie oben illustriert, nicht immer der Fall. Konvers sind auch einige Hauptstudios" ebenfalls Divisionen (wie Maxis). Der aktuelle Zustand ist weiterhin unschön; wir sollten darüber nachdenken, diese Studios mit in die Haupttabelle zu integrieren, was das Format deutlich vereinfachen und lesbar machen würden. Dort sollten auch die Quellen wiederhergestellt werden, die derzeit nicht vorhanden sind. Lordtobi (✉) 18:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Unilateral changes in article titles without consensus

Is there any reason why you renamed Twitch's article unilaterally without consensus? This is a controversial subject and several past discussions on the matter have had no consensus. ViperSnake151  Talk  19:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

ViperSnake151, when moving a page I first check the move log, which was displayed as empty. Thus, I was led to believe the page had never been moved, possibly erroneously, as the talk page discussions suggest something different. Arguably, I should have checked the talk page in addition to the move log, but I didn't think that such a move was controversial. The name was never "Twitch.tv" except for within the domain name, so it is not a valid ndab, as far as I can see. That's still my mistake, though, so I moved back the page for now. Lordtobi (✉) 19:46, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@ViperSnake151: I since opened a new, comprehensive RM that is open for you to participate in. Lordtobi (✉) 06:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Please correct the page of Mei (Overwatch) and protect the page

Dear sir,

The Hong Kong protest is still ongoing, and some people has changed Mei's birthplace from Xi'an, China to Hong Kong, along with other things that doesn't follow the settings of Overwatch. Can you please correct the page of Mei constructively and permanently protect the page?

Thank you. Unknown123Known (talk) 04:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@Unknown123Known: Protecting pages is not within my power as I am a common mortal on this platform. You should contact and administrator or WP:RFPP for this. Lordtobi (✉) 06:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I semi-protected for 10 days. Lectonar (talk) 06:45, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rockstar San Diego

The article Rockstar San Diego you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Rockstar San Diego for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Spy-cicle -- Spy-cicle (talk) 12:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Why do I need to cite a birthday? RE: Randy Pitchford edit revert

Subject. Wikipedia already states he was born in 1971. Why does it need a source? Many other articles for living people do not cite birthdays. Assblastusa (talk) 20:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Assblastusa, please see WP:V, WP:BLPSOURCES. Every claim made on Wikipedia requires a reliable source to be verifiable. The article for Randy Pitchford does not state this birth year, apart from an erroneously placed category which I now removed. Even then this doesn't make up for adding an unsourced date. If other articles have this problem, the the date should be sourced or removed. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 20:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Ah! Alright. Thank you for your help. :) Assblastusa (talk) 20:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

good afternoon

Hi. A topic about internet censorship in iran needs to become update on Wikipedia. Please add "How Iranian people access to block websites and use social medias" Wikipedia needs your attention to become better place. Thank you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran Omid6578 (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Omid6578, you appear to be more knowledgable on this topic that me, so I would recommend you to add the content in question yourself, orovided that you follow Wikipedia's guidelines (especially regarding the use of reliable sources). You can check out WP:Tutorial for a how-to on editing Wikipedia. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 14:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Changes to template:Infobox company

Your changes brought various minor problems. For example, they made appear both local and wikidata entries on some articles using the old "location" parameter. But my main problem is your changes caused that the "successor" and "predecessor" parameters don't work anymore. I was wondering if you can fix that. Regards. --Urbanoc (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, it will be good you include a way to block wikidata altogether, because, as I said, it maded various things just wrong. --Urbanoc (talk) 22:23, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

You've redirected the /wikidata version of the template, but there are still articles that call that version - some of those now appear to be broken. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:34, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Nikkimaria, some issues were raised when the two templates were merged. The main template was temporarily rolled back to enable us to address these issues. Everything should be sorted out within today. You can follow some discussions on the template's talk page. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 11:34, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Romoved my Reference link by mistakes

Please double-check my removed links. There's no violation and the link is perfect for reference but you've deleted my links...please check and replace my links if you don't see any violation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetsahil (talk • contribs) 13:11, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Sweetsahil, thus far, all your edits have been additions of links to themojjo.com for articles written by Sahil Khan. This, plus your username, suggests that you are, in fact, Sahil Khan. You are trying to use Wikipedia for more exposure directed towards your website, which is not acceptable by Wikipedia's guidelines. Your website is not reliable and should not be used either way, regardless of who adds the link. Lordtobi (✉) 13:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. And also for Insulting my website. I just created that links for education purposes, but if you don't want that's okay. further, I'll try my best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetsahil (talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

'Unreliable' is not an insult, more of an observation. Wikipedia has rules regarding the reliability of sources, and your website doesn't meet them. Still, adding links to your own website, be it for financial gain or "education purposes", remains spamming. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Lordtobi (✉) 14:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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Explain your reversions

If you've a problem with my contribution, explain yourself please - just because I'm an IP editor doesn't make my content any less legitimate. 86.186.109.124 (talk) 12:22, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

You were already reverted numerous times on this in October, and you should know by now that you should not insert unsourced statements, let alone whole unsourced paragraphs, into articles. The Garry's Mod article is already in very bad shape, but that does not excuse worsening the situation. Lordtobi (✉) 14:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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Valve

This was discussed somewhat recently before, but is there any reason we decided to go with Valve Corporation instead of Valve Software? I realize we had to pick one of them due to WP:NATDIS reasons, but I feel like only Wikipedia prefers Corporation, even if both aren't incorrect and used by sources. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

"Valve Corporation" is its legal name since 2003, while "Valve Software" is a semi-official by-name that it sometimes uses and sources sometimes use. I would assume that this name was at some point derived from its website domain, but the official name has always been just "Valve". I piped the name out on most articles to fix the disparity between "Valve, L.L.C." (-2003) and "Valve Corporation" (2003-) games listing different developers, despite the company name (outside the legal suffix) being the same.

FWIW, "Corporation" works as a natural disambiguator for suiting WP:OFFICIALNAME, although it fails WP:COMMONNAME on account of no one caring for legal suffixes when writing about a company. "Software" fails the other way around (sometimes used in sources, but never officially outside of its Twitter handle and whatnot). In cases like these, I'm usually in favor of just not doing natdabs, and going for "Valve (company)" instead, which encourages using just "Valve" consistently. Similarly, I'm tempted to move "List of Valve Corporation video games" to the much more concise "List of Valve games". Lordtobi (✉) 22:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Got it. I think I also proposed a move to simply "Valve (company)" a few years back, but it got opposed for NATDIS reasons. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Dissident93, if you ever plan to hold such an RM again, I will obviously support it. NATDIS is not the answer to everything and COMMONNAME clearly outweighs it in this case. Lordtobi (✉) 12:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I'll try and set one up later. EDIT: done. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Looks like we still hold the minority opinion on it. But at the very least, I don't think anybody opposes links saying simply Valve, nor should they oppose Category:Valve Corporation games moving to Category:Valve games, as well as the games list moving to List of Valve games. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:48, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Apparently so. I might as well AWB all the "Valve Corporation"s in plaintext away for consistency, once I find the time. Would you be available for the moves in the meantime? Lordtobi (✉) 09:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I am. I'd do it myself using AWB, but it's been so long since I last used it that I forgot how. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Dissident93, I'm starting my AWB run. Need to know, though, whether you're also planning to move {{Valve Corporation}} ({{Valve}} redirects there already) and Category:Valve Corporation (Category:Valve does not exist). Lordtobi (✉) 16:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, well I can do those (the ones with out move protections anyway). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Slightly off topic, but could you move Category:Dota 2 competitions to just Category:Dota competitions? It would make it consistent with the other Category:Dota categories, as it should represent the entire series and not a single game. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

That needs to go to WP:CFD; I would also have an issue as the abbreviations are not consistent (DotA and Dota 2). --Izno (talk) 21:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Dissident93: The AWB run is done for now. If you are aiming to make the CFD nom for the Dota cat, could you also cover Category:Portal (video game series) -> Category:Portal (series) (as per the main article's name) and Category:Valve Corporation (+ subcats) -> Category:Valve? The latter might see some opposition due to confusion with Category:Valves, though. The move for List of Valve Corporation video games -> List of Valve games should be less controversial. Lordtobi (✉) 21:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Well, I assumed that a move from Dota 2 to Dota competitions (and Portal now that you bring it up) would be so uncontroversial that they would not require a CFD nom. However, the Valve ones most likely will. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

It's been a month? Anyway, I started on them now. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:49, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Windows

Yo.

• I don't think we should worry about consistency with other Valve articles - none of them are very good yet. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, so let's figure out the best way of doing something and use that, rather than just copying what other articles maybe aren't doing so well simply because they're already doing it.

• I did once start a discussion to rename the article Microsoft Windows to Windows, but it went disastrously. I still think this is the right thing to do if consensus could ever be found for it.

• I'm going to propose a change to the WP:VG MOS to change it on game pages at least. Popcornduff (talk) 11:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

  Popcornduff, I agree that this loophole should be amended and would in in favor of both an asterisk in the MOS and a page move for Windows. Note, though, that consistency between articles should not relate to the quality of the individual articles. As for renaming the main article, you might be able to reattempt the RM (on grounds of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME, disregarding WP:NATDIS as "Windows" already redirects there) by compiling counter-arguments from your previous attempt and confute or outweigh them, as I did for Twitch in spite of three failed attempts from other parties before that. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 13:16, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

  Note, though, that consistency between articles should not relate to the quality of the individual articles I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm not going to avoid making an improvement to an article simply because that improvement isn't already on another article. Would you be OK if I changed all the "Microsoft Windows" on every Valve page? That would be an easy task. Popcornduff (talk) 14:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

  Popcornduff, the MOS discussion seems to be headed in the direction of using "Windows" as the norm, so I have no objections to such changes. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 16:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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Cat Daddy Games

Hi. Thanks for the ping, but in instances like this, I'll usually let another reviewer take a crack at it. Personally, I'm not seeing the in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources to show WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Onel5969, thanks for the heads-up. In the end, it was handled by Willbb234, who redirected the page again. However, inspired by Jovanmilic97's move of List of Global Star Software games, I now moved the page to List of games by Cat Daddy Games. @All three of you: Are these kinds of lists appropriate for otherwise unnotable companies? Lordtobi (✉) 10:49, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: I appreciate the work you have put into the list article, but I wouldn't say it meets notability, especially with the majority of the games listed being not very notable themself. However, I would wait to hear what Onel5969 has to say, but I definitely think this is a more appropriate article to the original. Thanks, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 13:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

The same probably applies to Mission Studios as well. Also pinging @YouHateThePlayer:, who re-created all three pages in question for their input. Lordtobi (✉) 13:07, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the ping. I remember at some point in the past 5 years, reading MOS:LIST (or one of the sub-guides) and having it state that "List of xxxxx" should only be created if "xxxxx" itself has notability. However, looking at LIST, along with WP:STANDALONE, I can't find that guidance anywhere. That being, it might be more appropriate, and more helpful to researchers, if the very well done List of games by Cat Daddy Games isn't merged into List of Take-Two Interactive games, which already has a column to differentiate between the different publishing labels. But that's just how I would handle it. No issue with a standalone list for Cat Daddy Games. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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Pitfalls

I recently wrote and nominated Pitfalls for GA status. I could help you with an article if you would review it, or review a future GAN of yours. If you have time that is, I know you're usually busy. Cognissonance (talk) 03:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Cognissonance, I'd gladly but, as of yet, I have no experience in doing GA reviews. I might get into doing some later, though I lack the time to do this at the moment. If no one has reviewed your article by the end of the month, you could check back with me. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 11:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey, happy new year. Just seeing if you still wanna claim the review. The process is pretty simple and largely the same with every article. All you need to do is to check it against these criteria. Cognissonance (talk) 20:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Cognissonance, happy new year to you as well! I'd take the GA, though I might need a couple more days to complete my "offline" projects. You'll hear from me in a couple of days. Lordtobi (✉) 16:29, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

"Industry: Video game Industry"

I know I discussed this with you a few months ago here. Is it possible for you to change Video game industry to Video games in the infoboxes (company) on Video game developers like Rockstar North, Insomniac Games, etc through AutoWikiBrowser as a result of this discussion similiar to how you changed Google Stadia to Stadia on VG articles. It would save me a lot of time. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 16:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I think I might be able to do that. Lordtobi (✉) 16:27, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: Done, as far as I can see (although my Regex's might have missed one or another, depending on the page formatting). I dug through 2,000+ pages and it took me like four hours to fine-tune the Regexs and double-check what I could. Surely, this would have taken someone without AWB days. Lordtobi (✉) 20:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Superb work Lordtobi, Thank you very much for doing this; it would have taken me very long time without AWB. Take this Barnstar:  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 21:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For Reducing redundancy in VG articles.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 21:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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thoughts on the "new" Telltale article

As the new Telltale has just released a game from old TTG's catalog, I am wondering where we should locate a page for the new TTG. There's enough to write about it but as you've said before, it should be at a different article but I don't know how to name it. --Masem (t) 01:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

As well as a Wolf Among Us sequel just now... --Masem (t) 04:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

• @Masem: Common disambiguation practices for these are either the time span in which it was active (cf. Viacom (2005–2019)) or a related company name (cf. Atari, Inc. (Atari, SA subsidiary); although this exact constellation is a bit ugly). This would leave us with Telltale Games (2019–present) and Telltale Games (LCG Entertainment). Personally, I would prefer the latter. I don't think there are any guidelines on this, though. Lordtobi (✉) 08:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

  Also, for the record: LCG Entertainment, Inc. was incorporated on 2018-12-27 (while incorporated is not always equal to founded [aka when the business was started], it most likely is here, given its prior occupation as a dormant company), and both Ottilie and Waddle list December 2018 as the starting date for their involvement with LCG/Telltale on LinkedIn. Unfortunately, I cannot find a reliable secondary source for this, and Delaware's search system does not allow for direct links. Lordtobi (✉) 11:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

  I think for purposes of being called TTG , that 2019 is right, so that the "(2019-present)" disamb is the right title. (If you say 2018, TTG still existed then, and ppl may get confused). --Masem (t) 14:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

  (If you say 2018, TTG still existed then, and ppl may get confused)

  That's why I prefer the latter, which is way less ambiguous. That's besides the point, though. Nothing is stoping you from actually creating the article; the name can always be fixed in post. When using the timespan, though, remember to use the endash (–) per MOS:DOB. Lordtobi (✉) 16:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

  Telltale Games (2018–present) have at it if there's anything you feel could be added :) --Masem (t) 17:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

^::::Yes, I think this will do for now. I attributed them as each other's predecessor/successors. Lordtobi (✉) 18:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Rockstar San Diego

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A new Embracer Group category on THQ Nordic article

You've just reverted my edited revision on THQ Nordic article, where I put category page of Embracer Group that recently created. PLEASE DON'T MOVE IT!Ridwan97 (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Ridwan97, I linked to WP:DIFFUSE twice, and explained the issue before that. Category:THQ Nordic is a sub-category of Category:Embracer Group, so listing both alongside each other is useless. Lordtobi (✉) 12:13, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: BigSky Interactive

Hello Lordtobi. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of BigSky Interactive, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: making notable games indicates significance. If it's the partial successor of a notable company, consider merging/redirecting there. Thank you. SoWhy 16:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

SoWhy, I believe a speedy is warranted as it is a carbon copy of the same page that was speedied last week. It has now been moved to draftspace, but id you review the creating user's contributions, you will find that we now have three drafts for the same unnotable topic the user has tried to push in the past days. Lordtobi (✉) 21:09, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The fact that RHaworth deleted something does not really mean it should have been deleted. This seems like a plausible search term and thus should be kept in one form or another per WP:ATD. Regards SoWhy 21:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Categories

With reference to Category:Coffee Stain Studios games, you should never leave a page without a category, per WP:REDNOT. The rules on categories are somewhat different in that regard compared to articles. So if you remove the last category, you should add a new one (and blanking pages is never good either). Le Deluge (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Le Deluge, got it, thanks. I added a replacement category. Lordtobi (✉) 21:07, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

cheers

Merry Christmas, IceWelder! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 18:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

And merry Christmas to you as well! Have a good one! Lordtobi (✉) 21:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas and a happy new year 2020!

Hello *Lordtobi, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this Christmas. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020. Happy editing, Timur9008 12:06, 22 December 2019 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Aw, thank you so much! And a merry Christmas for you as well, buddy! Lordtobi (✉) 01:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
Here's to another year of new games to write about. All the best  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 15:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

This is belated, but I hope you had a great Christmas, year's end, and start into the new year. Cheers! Lordtobi (✉) 16:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Red Dead Redemption 2 Music

I'm undoing your "undo" of my edit of Music of Red Dead Redemption 2. The cited Newsweek article states, "Even more impressive is the selection of original music that references in-game locations and events. Hearing a song about the fictitious city you're in that references all the other fictitious locations around really helps make the world feel even more alive and connected." However, I will edit to indicate that some reviewers have noted this. As for mobygames, I had not realized that Rockstar had the game credits on its website. Crypticfirefly (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Your undo did not address other issues I mentioned, but it seems to have been sorted out now. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 16:31, 2 January 2020 (UTC)