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Medici Chapel edits

Hi Ham II, I see your recent edits correcting the wikilink for "Medici Chapel" in History of early modern period domes and History of Italian Renaissance domes also removed the text "It contains the tombs of Giuliano and Lorenzo de' Medici." but did not mention it in your edit summaries. Why was that text removed? AmateurEditor (talk) 17:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@AmateurEditor: Lorenzo de' Medici (1449–1492) and Giuliano de' Medici (1453–1478), who are called the Magnifici, are buried at the Medici Chapel in a single shared tomb. The chapel's more artistically significant tombs belong to two less important figures who confusingly have the same names, and who for the sake of differentiation are called the Capitani: Giuliano de' Medici, Duke of Nemours (1479–1516), and Lorenzo de' Medici, Duke of Urbino (1492–1519). It's the first pair who are the primary topics for the names Lorenzo and Giuliano de' Medici. It felt convoluted to make this clarification on articles which are really about domes, so I just took those statements out.
The edits were part of a batch I was doing with JavaScript Wiki Browser on articles linking to the Medici Chapel dab page. Edits in such batches all tend to have the same summary; I'm not sure whether it can be adjusted for individual edits. Ham II (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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Mysterious wood...

What is this artwork on the corner of Curzon Street and Bolton Street in Mayfair? [1] [2] No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

@No Swan So Fine: Looks as if it appeared last year alongside the building behind it, "60 Curzon". I can't find anything about it in coverage of the building. It's too recent to appear in the "Art in Mayfair Sculpture Trail 2023", which includes permanent fixtures as well as temporary ones appearing that summer, but perhaps if they do an updated version next summer that'll include it? Ham II (talk) 11:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
@No Swan So Fine: Here's the Art in Mayfair Sculpture Trail 2024, but it doesn't stretch as far as Curzon Street or Bolton Street, alas. Ham II (talk) 09:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Oh wow thanks. How many of these have we got left to knock off? No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
@No Swan So Fine: I think the ones with "Presented by [gallery name]" must be temporary, with the rest being permanent. So of the latter, only Antony Gormley's Cinch is missing from the list of public art in Mayfair. Handbag Heads is what Ward-Jackson (Philip, not Adrian) more prosaically calls Entrance Sculpture. Ham II (talk) 16:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
This article says that David Nash contributed works to the building. I can't find a reference to this specific work, but it certainly looks like others of his e.g [3] [4]. the wub "?!" 13:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
@The wub: Nice work! I reckon it must be King and Queen I (2011); the link shows one of the edition of four. Bronze patinated black, not wood, it turns out. Another pic of it in an exhibition is here. Thank you so much for your help with this. Ham II (talk) 16:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Ah yes, that looks like the one! And it was a fun little diversion for my lunch break :) the wub "?!" 20:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Looks like two pieces of driftwood to me - but what do I know about art! Now, while I have you both: I have recently done this little thing, Tomb of Marigold Churchill. But I desperately want a picture. It’s by Eric Gill, although the best bit’s been nicked, and is Grade II listed. So, should either of you find your way to that particular corner of Kensal Green Cemetery…. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
For heaven's sake please add categories when you upload to Commons! Johnbod (talk) 04:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
This is hilarious, it's like the mad section of an art fanatics members club. My rarest Gill find ... [5] I might do a best practice categorisation essay one day...No Swan So Fine (talk) 11:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, should you want to further sate your appetite for obscure Gill work, I did this, as part of this, and would love a photo of the Johnston Monument. It has almost no online presence. KJP1 (talk) 13:15, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Do you arty folk know any more references to Adrian Ward-Jackson? So many fascinating links here. No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Can't help, I'm afraid. But here's a snap of him cavorting with a naked woman, [6] - which was probably a rare occurrence. KJP1 (talk) 17:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I added Powerhouse to your stellar Westminster list. [7] No Swan So Fine (talk) 14:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Have I gone mad?!? @Doyle of London: @Edwardx: @KJP1: When was 33 Queen Square demolished? [8] No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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MOS:RETAIN

Hi there two edits you made to Florentine Renaissance art (1), (2) appear to violate MOS:RETAIN which states "An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another." AusLondonder (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@AusLondonder: A different user added a {{Use British English}} tag to the article on 8 January, 10 days before my first edit to the page. Despite that, the article continued to use a mix of American and British spellings until the edits you've linked to. Ham II (talk) 09:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Likewise, you've made ENGVAR changes to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/France- and French-related articles for no apparent reason. With the exception of the word "capitalization", there was no American spelling on that page previously. And arguably, any page relating to a European country has stronger MOS:TIES to British English than to American. Rosbif73 (talk) 13:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
@Rosbif73: That page, MOS:FR, already had "encyclopedic", "capitalization" (and "capitalized"), "favored" and "recognized" in American English, so the section on "organisations" and the single instance of "behaviour" (commented out, so invisible) were the anomalies. But I realise it's only a JavaScript I'm using that makes it easy to check such things, and I should have explained this in the edit summary – sorry. I'd be happy if British English were considered to have strong ties with topics from elsewhere in Europe, but that's not currently stated in MOS:TIES, so in applying one variety consistently throughout the page I picked the one that was already the most heavily used there. Ham II (talk) 14:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
"encyclopedic", "capitalization" (and "capitalized"), ... and "recognized" are all fine in Oxford English - "encyclopedic" an option in all BR Eng varieties imo. Johnbod (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Ah – those are the spellings that get changed if I set Oxford English in the JavaScript, but my Concise Oxford English Dictionary disagrees on the first one; it lists "encyclopedic" first, with "encyclopaedic" only as a variant. (The OUP's free dictionary website Lexico is no more, alas.) MOS:FR wasn't using Oxford English before, what with "organisations" and "favored", but I've changed it to that now. I approve of policy and guideline pages using Oxford spelling because of the ways in which it's a halfway house between British and American spellings, in the spirit of MOS:COMMONALITY. Ham II (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Three Musicians redirect hatnote

I saw that you previously removed a redirect hatnote on Three Musicians (Picasso) and said "no, Musicians With Masks doesn't redirect here". I added it back because I have made it so that it did redirect here. I did that because some people know that painting as Musicians with Masks instead of Three Musicians. CyberTheTiger (talk) 02:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

@CyberTheTiger: Thanks for that, but I'm still not sure that hatnote serves any purpose, because there's no Musicians with Masks (disambiguation). It would be better to have Musicians with Masks (per MOS:BOLDSYN) appearing somewhere in the lede. Ham II (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
like what I added to the sentence? CyberTheTiger (talk) 01:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Speedy renaming of Category:People associated with The Institute for Cultural Research

Hi, you filed a speedy renaming of this category to Category:People associated with the Institute for Cultural Research. Thanks for spotting "association", but the official title begins with "The".

See UK Charity Commission entry for "The Institute for Cultural Research". Hence the article The Institute for Cultural Research with a leading "The". Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 06:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Esowteric: MOS:THEINST, which I cite in the nomination as the rationale for renaming, says "The word the at the start of a name is uncapitalized in running text, regardless of the institution's own usage". Ham II (talk) 06:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Ah, thank you! Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 06:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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Ecce Homo (Caravaggio)

Fine with me to consolidate as you suggest. Johnbod (talk) 12:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Thanks! I've turned it into a redirect now; I'm glad to have got in there before a Wikidata item was created for the separate dab page. We can concentrate maintenance efforts on the main Ecce Homo dab page. Ecce Homo (statue) seems of doubtful notability. Ham II (talk) 12:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
It might well be ok - we don't have many articles on Spanish painted wood sculpture. A pic would be good! Johnbod (talk) 14:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 14 § Museum collections

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Zollner

Hi there Ham, hope all is well with you! Was wondering if you could take a look at the Leonardo scholar Frank Zöllner—I was trying to find some citations to support the text, but having trouble. Also according to page 5 of this, the publication of (Re)invent Rezeptionswege von Byzanz bis in die Moderne was published to align with his birthday, but I can't find what day that was! Some online source are saying June 26, but they all seem to be repeating uncited info that was once on the WP page. Best – Aza24 (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aza24, great to hear from you! The one good source I could find for Zöllner's date of birth is from the (Czech Republic's) Archive of Fine Arts; I've added that to the article. I will come back to the Google doc of Zöllner's catalogue raisonné of the drawings one day, and finally get them all onto Wikidata and thereby generate a list article here on Wikipedia... Ham II (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
I will come back to it too! Thanks for finding that source, I'll see what else I can add to the article. Aza24 (talk) 01:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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abstract expressionism

Hello. You mention in your comment at the schools RM that 'Abstract Expressionism' was safely uppercased on Wikipedia. Alas, tis not the case. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks – I've replied at Talk:Bolognese School § Requested move 26 July 2024. Ham II (talk) 07:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

For the heads up on the sock puppet. Knitsey (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Goscombe John

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Wow

Wish I had better camera when I was in Cadogan Square recently ... [9] No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Rococo Revival lowercase attempt

Thanks for your comment at the Rococo Revival lowercasing RM. The lowercasers have turned their focus onto the arts articles lately, and no idea how long this will last and how many major pages are in their lowercasing goal. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

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Crimbolicious Salutations and a Prosperous 2025!

Greetings Ham! Take this lofty CIRCUS as a small token of my affection for the past year of edits and arty inspirations. Its elevated position and capitalised warning of Vanity should spur us on to another 365 days of memorialisation of this strange City that we call The Past.
I remain as ever, etc
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