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Opinion on user

Hey! I've encountered the user Therealtwo who's edits aren't necessary all that constructive but their edits aren't really straight up vandalism either. I'm wanting your opinion on them and what I should do with them. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze Wolf. I have blocked that editor from that talk page. One of their edit summaries leads me to believe that this is not a new editor. Cullen328 (talk) 15:47, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Alright thank you. And I Do agree with your assessment, although they may just be copying what they see from other editors and misapplying some of the concepts (such as reverting me adding > to the end of a hidden comment when I removed their nonsense with the reason that I shouldn't be modifying other user's comments). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Why am I blocked on the Kryptos talk page?

Why am I blocked on the Kryptos talk page?

I am only contributing to the article.

You don;t have to agree with my humble efforts to give some input to the article but calling them disruptive editing is unnecc Therealtwo (talk) 15:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Therealtwo. Article talk pages are to discuss specific ways to improve an article. You have been misusing that talk page for months. It is over. Cullen328 (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Well thank you for the explation. Therealtwo (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Multi-stage fitness test sock?

144.51.249.5 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) sure looks like Rodersb (talk · contribs) evading the page block you gave them on Multi-stage fitness test. And already resorting to personal attacks. Care to weigh in? MrOllie (talk) 19:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MrOllie. Thanks for the information. I have blocked the IP for one week for block evasion and personal attacks. Cullen328 (talk) 21:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
And here I was hoping to learn about some new form of aerodynamic footwear.... Dumuzid (talk) 21:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
LOL, Dumuzid, no such luck. MrOllie, I have semi-protected the article for six months. This person seems determined to disrupt. Cullen328 (talk) 21:46, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

ANI Notice. (It wasn't me)

Blabla... Discussion on ANI involving you. Too lazy to get the template You know the way... Kleuske (talk) 12:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

heard you're ill

hope you get better and I hope the filer learns to read directions ;) PICKLEDICAE🥒 12:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Best wishes for a speedy recovery! El_C 14:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Coming from a particular chronological and geographical context, I read this as Run-DMC might use the term, to which I say "nice" and "word." Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 14:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Sick. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Not to worry, Praxidicae, El C, Dumuzid and Firefangledfeathers. I do not have the Spanish Flu or anything. I was just sound asleep. The person in question appears likely to be a nationalist hothead whose English is barely better than my Spanish, and that's pretty bad. Cullen328 (talk) 14:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Don't listen to the rumors! El_C 15:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
El C, Thanks. For years, I have prided myself on never having watched a Twitch video. Now that's gone in a moment. Cullen328 (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I hear ya, I hate Twitch so much (the ads blow me eardrums off if I'm unable get to the mute button in time), and yet I also watch it so much. Unfortunately, smaller creators just can't make a living on YouTube (or Facebook gaming). And with Twitch's new ad incentive, someone like Spaceboy can make a flat $20K a month just for running 3-min of ads per hour for a certain number of hours. So that's good, because he (and his cat Bonbon) do have to eat. El_C 15:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Just wanted to say I'm SO sorry. I undoubtedly made things worse. I cannot believe y'all deal with this every day. :( LumonRedacts 15:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

LumonRedacts, thanks but you have no need to apologize. You bear no responsibility here, but I do appreciate your kind words. Cullen328 (talk) 15:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi protection Page

Hi Jim

You helped to semi protect a BLP of a living person James Lu. There's an individual that's repeatedly posting poorly sourced and wrong information. There's no way I can stop this person because the person just undo all the edits. Can you help?

Thank you

James Madnessjames (talk) 13:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Madnessjames. I have semi-protected the article for three months, and pageblocked LeeJohn1994. Let me know if there is any further disruption. Cullen328 (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

notification of incident

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is administrator behaving ill, constant reverts. Thank you. Mvtqui (talk) 12:25, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Gesundheit. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 13:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo Anthrax. At least I don't have anthrax. Cullen328 (talk) 15:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

To help you stay awake!

A nice cup of tea!
Seriously, you admins holding down the fort at ANI have to put up with so damn much, all the time. I don't always agree with the band, but I always admire your collective diligence, fortitude and love for the encyclopedia. Drink hearty! Ravenswing 16:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Ravenswing. See you at the Teahouse. Cullen328 (talk) 16:07, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

block change conflict

I think we hit the button at the same time, and the TPA revoke I did got undone by yours. I redid it, just wanted to let you know -- ferret (talk) 01:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

No problem, Ferret. Just so the job is done. This is not the first time that I have seen a remark that amounts to "us fascists are going to engage in a violent revolt, and it will be your fault, not ours. And this is not a threat but a prediction." Nope. Cullen328 (talk) 02:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

publishing new content

Dear Cullen, I am a freelancer with a lot of good content that will be useful to readers. I dont know how to go about publishing them on wikipedia. Any help/tutorial from your end would be very much appreciated. warm Regards.

Paul Honkani 41.155.14.42 (talk) 12:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Paul. If by "freelancer", you mean that you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, then you must make the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. I recommend that you register an account. Read and study Your first article. Do you have more specific questions? Cullen328 (talk) 15:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Dear Cullen,
Thank you for the swift and kind reply to my question. I may have used the term "freelancer" out of context (as I write pro bono) . I am actually a self-motivated writer with a wide range of relevant information (from my Country - culture,plants, renowned personalities, animals inter alia) that would be useful and educative to readers.
I hence needed a tutorial on how to set the content up and publish it on Wikipedia. I have an account which I created 3 years ago.
The link you sent has been very helpful. Thanks a lot.
Nonetheless I would be as well grateful, should you have any video tutorial to share.
Wishing you a blessed day.
Paul Honkani Honkani (talk) 14:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Hokani. You can find links to lots of videos at Wikipedia:Instructional material. Cullen328 (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Is this a personal attack and/or permissible commentary?

Could you, in your role as an administrator, help me find an answer to two questions? For now I will keep things theoretical and anonymous, as I'd prefer to avoid as much mess as possible. The interaction to follow occurred on one editor's Talk page. The scene: Editor 1 requests, on Editor 2's Talk page, that Editor 2 strike a comment elsewhere that is an unsupported (i.e., no diffs presented) aspersion/attack against several editors. Editor 2 complies, but then follows up with an unsupported (and false, fwiw) claim that Editor 1 is "routinely violating" WP policies. Editor 1 replies that such an accusation is a personal attack, and suggests that Editor 2 file a report at ANI/AE. Editor 2 replies (the final one) that it wasn't a personal attack, passes on the opportunity to report Editor 1 at ANI/AE, but writes that "I think I'm allowed to express these concerns." So my two questions are: (1) Is it a personal attack to write on WP, with no supporting diffs or evidence whatsoever, that an editor is "routinely violating" WP policies? (2) Is the claim of an "allow[ance] to express these concerns" consistent with WP policies? Thanks for your help. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, JoJo Anthrax. I will be honest with you that I do not like this type of hypothetical question, because the lack of context makes it difficult to properly assess the situation. This project is based on transparency in the vast majority of situations. So, what I will say about the scenario that you describe is that any editor is allowed to express concerns about another editor, but they are then expected to furnish evidence. Cullen328 (talk) 15:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the response - sorry to bother you. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
JoJo Anthrax, you are not bothering me at all. Cullen328 (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Apologies for the talk page stalking, but JoJo Anthrax, let me offer an unasked for opinion. This may simply be my particular context talking, but for me, "routinely violating" does not rise to the level of a personal attack. Certainly sub-optimal and not collegial, but I would chalk it up to Wikipedia annoyances rather than acute issues. My reasoning is simple: some guideline violations are blatant and fairly objective (say, glaring BLP violations) but others are heavily susceptible to interpretation (say, whether a minor source is due for inclusion). In that sense, there's a universe where one person sees "routine violations" in good faith while others see things differently. As I like to say, reasonable minds may differ. So I would respectfully say let this one go, though if I know Wikipedia editors, there will likely be other issues soon of greater import. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

"Successful" and neutrality

Hi, I hatted some of our Teahouse discussion, hope you don’t mind.

I concede that "brilliant songwriter" is more peacock-y and subjective than "successful newspaper", but the more important part of that peacock example is to use hard cold facts rather than vague adjectives. "Successful newspaper" is still somewhat subjective (and hence non-neutral).

Taking your example of a politician, I think X successfully ran for office Y is neutral wording (here success/failure is a binary distinction, and it is attached to an event rather than a person); but that X was a successful politician in country Y is non-neutral. I am pretty sure adding "Trump was a successful politician" or "Obama was a successful politician" to the lead of the articles about those individuals would attract many objections, even if both of those were elected at the highest office in the United States and therefore successful by any result-based measure of political skill.

Of course I don’t think it’s a big deal either way, but I think it’s better to encourage newbies to be strict rather than lax about that sort of thing. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Tigraan I believe in objective measures of success, and I believe that SFGate is a successful website. That can be described better and referenced better in the body, but the lead should summarize the body. Millions of people have started websites. I have started two that have been quite serviceable for my small business. But I venture to say that SFGate is more successful than 99.9+% of all websites. Starting a website is not a plausible claim of notability. Starting and running a successful website for seven years is. Cullen328 (talk) 16:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Jaymazo

I'm reaching out because you're the most recently active admin I see on my watchlist. There is a transphobic editor ranting about Capital T Truth and misgendering article subjects. [1] They're already aware of the DS in that area. Any chance you could take a quick look? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ScottishFinnishRadish. That was easy - indeffed. Be well. Cullen328 (talk) 16:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. Much appreciated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Question from BalcicaIoana (16:33, 15 September 2022)

Hello! I am new to Wikipedia. I would like to add a page for a famous Romanian dissident. His name is Mihai Botez. There is a page for someone of the same name who is a gymnast. But it is a different person. How can I create a new page for someone? --BalcicaIoana (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, BalcicaIoana. The most important thing by far is the quality of the coverage of this person in independent, reliable sources, which need not be in English. If there is an article about him on the Romanian Wikipedia, it can be translated to English. Please read WP:Translate. Please also read Your first article. The conflict with the article about another person of the same name can be dealt with easily. Please read WP:Disambiguation. Cullen328 (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

TPA

Hi there. You spamblocked Article Houses‎ recently, but then they posted a bunch of crap on their talk page (I've reverted it). Might want to consider revoking their talk page access. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Drm310. I have revoked talk page access. Cullen328 (talk) 15:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Opinion on user

Hello Cullen! I'd like your opinion on a user as I'm considering taking them to ANI. Gazd90 appears to not understand WP:N or refuses to read it, despite having been told multiple times to do so. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze Wolf. I have pageblocked that editor from the Belters Only redirect. Please do not be excessively argumentative with people who do not understand how Wikipedia works. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 15:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
No problem! I was attempting to make it clear to them that they needed to read our notability policies in order to understand why they're wrong, but it felt like they didn't bother and just assumed any small article (and somehow user page?) didn't fall under the criteria (and even gave an example of an article that was taken to AFD but was kept). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:38, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Out of touch admins

Hi, you wrote "Cecropia was very active in the early years of Wikipedia but has made less than 300 edits in the last 15 years ... and should give serious consideration to retiring from these roles" I'm not sure that's an issue, as the new inactivity proposals means they will lose their advanced permissions under those criteria. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Ritchie333, I hope that you are right, but if they make 61 edits before January 1, they will squeak by. Cullen328 (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Page A

I tried to discuss with that with the user Yonas JH in the past but He refusing to listen. Those are well based sources. What can I do? This is complete nonsense. Can someone help? Dsudil7379 (talk) 23:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dsudil7379. What is your relationship with User:Tamart0290? Cullen328 (talk) 23:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Talk page stalkers, Dsudil7379, has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Cullen328 (talk) 06:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

You helped me before with some sourcing disputes

On the page of the streamer Low Tier God, I found you to be very fair, so I wanted to ask you about a problem I'm having that relates to another streamer. I have been trying to edit out incorrect information on the List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity article. The word ‘gusano,’ which in Spanish means ‘worm,’ keeps getting added to the Cuban section. This is not a racial, ethnic, or national slur, as the editors who have been reverting my edits have been writing in their notes. It is a political slur with a very specific meaning. It was invented by Fidel Castro to refer to Cubans who left Cuba for political reasons, and has no racial connotations.

I know Spanish, and I know the context in which this word is used, but lucky for me I don't have to find proof, because four high-quality sources for the ‘political slur’ definition of this word were just provided—by one of the people trying to argue against it. I'm not sure what the Wikipedia term for this is—a kind of Source Avalanche to try to bury the argument—but I decided to just read all of the papers, and they all support the ‘political slur’ definition. Have a look:

Gusano (worm) is the generic term applied by the revolutionaries to other Cubans, whether in exile or still on the island, who are "enemies of the Revolution."[1]

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The creation of the CDR [Committees for the Defense of the Revolution] dates from September, 1960, when Castro, faced with mounting counterrevolutionary activity both from within and from with out, called for the formation of vigilance committees to act as a grass roots defense against gusanos and their collaborators.[2]

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On the other hand, the image of Cuban exiles as gusanos (worms) has gained wider appeal in the last decade, especially since the Mariel boatlift of 1980. The negative view of Cuban exiles originally emerged among the ideological defenders of the Cuban Revolution, both in Cuba and the United States. For political reasons, Fidel Castro's government applied a cold war rhetoric to the Cuban exodus, branding the exiles as counterrevolutionary, unpatriotic, elitist, corrupt, selfish, and pro American.[3]

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Whereas the early refugees came predominantly from the privileged classes of pre-revolutionary Cuba, many marielitos and balseros came from the disadvantaged sectors of post-revolutionary society. As the Cuban government itself recognized (although using derogatory terms), the gusanos (worms) of the first waves became the escoria (scum) after Mariel. [4]

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The impact of the visitors - and their gifts to family and friends - shocked the communist regime to its ideological core. The exiles, whom Castro had repeatedly called gusanos (worms), were now welcomed as beneficent mariposas (butterflies) by their countrymen.[5]

That is every mention of the word gusano in those four papers, none of them is even attempting to make the argument that the word is an ethnic slur. On the contrary, they ALL support my point that the word is a political slur—a word like ‘puke,’ used by abolitionist Kansans as a slur for neighboring pro-slavery Nebraskans in the run up to the Civil War—and so the word should not be on the list.

The reason I am writing to you about this dispute, though, is that these reversions of my removal of gusano from the list are apart of a brigading campaign by the fans of a streamer called Destiny. The reason why this streamer is interested in defining gusano as an ethnic slur is a long story, but I can prove that this is a brigade; he directly told his fans to make these changes and I have the video. I hope that you can help me again. Thank you. Planetjanet (talk) 08:09, 24 September

er 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Planetjanet. I have some familiarity with the pejorative Cuban term "gusano" but I am literally ready to go to sleep here in California where I live. So, I will take a close look in the morning but not now. I am just too tired. Cullen328 (talk)\
Planetjanet, I have read the discussion on the talk page and do not see any need for me to get involved as an administrator at this time. It is just a vigorous debate about content. Let me know if things deteriorate. Cullen328 (talk) 18:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
OK, I will be opening a call for consensus on the talk page. I will keep you posted. Planetjanet (talk) 05:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Fagen, Richard R. (1966). "Mass Mobilization in Cuba: The Symbolism of Struggle". Journal of International Affairs. 20 (2): 254 – via JSTOR.
  2. ^ Fagen, Richard R. (1966). "Mass Mobilization in Cuba: The Symbolism of Struggle". Journal of International Affairs. 20 (2): 260 – via JSTOR.
  3. ^ Duany, Jorge (1993). "Neither Golden Exile nor Dirty Worm. Ethnic Identity in Recent Cuban-American Novels". Cuban Studies. 23: 168 – via JSTOR.
  4. ^ Duany, Jorge (1999). "Cuban communities in the United States: migration waves, settlement patterns and socioeconomic diversity". Pouvoirs dans la Caraïbe. 11: 101 – via OpenEdition Journals.
  5. ^ Travieso-Diaz, Matias F. (1998). "Immigration Challenges and Opportunities in a Post-Transition Cuba". Berkeley Journal of International Law. 16 (2): 241 – via Berkley Law Library Catalog.

ANI/I discussion

If you need any response from me on that ANI/I discussion, please ping me. The walls of text will only keep growing, typical of Balkan disputes where many editors are involved at the same time. I do not plan to comment there anymore. Although you and others repeatedly asked Khirurg to notify the editors he mentions in his report, he did not notify them. I left notifications on their tp, but it is better if you check if I forgot anyone. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

Hello Cullen. I dont know if you remember me. In August I had a discussion with another users. I insulted them (I highly regret that) and I was warned. If you see our previous discussion, we usually excange words. Now, in the talk page of an article, they have discussed something. I haven't even comented and I found this [2]. The user called me "the WP:HIGHHORSE brigade", I don't think it's very WP:CIVIL when I didn't say a word and he is calling me names. I was warned because I said something about mental healthnnes, but he says "get the vapors". To be honest, I feel a little bit harrased with these coments. there is something I can do? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:47, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, HHH Pedrigree. I don't see you mentioned in that "the WP:HIGHHORSE brigade" comment. And you did not provide a diff for the vapors comment. These days, vapors is pretty much a humorous term. Honestly, I do not understand why people get so emotional about pro wrestling. It's fictional. Cullen328 (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
My problems with his editions are mostly WP:SYNTH. If you read the discussion, VJ usually said make coments about the high horse when he discussed with another user (Addicted) and me (May 14, "Addicted does need to come down off the high horse", June 24 "Addicted though needs to get off the high horse" ). Since we have like 7 or 8 discussion, it's pretty clear. Anyways, maybe it's me just being nitpicking, but I don't like to be named when I'm not even in the conversation. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Leon Lynch — declined

Thank you for your offer of help guide me to improve this draft. I welcome the chance to learn and to make it better. Since I did not know how to begin, I simply followed the way the permanent Wikipedia article was written for I.W. Abel, former Steelworkers leader. I realize editorial requirements have probably changed since that time. I will review the materials you suggested and make edits.

Here’s a link to the current draft and the declination statement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Leon_Lynch

I appreciate that you recognize the bias that has sometimes kept people like Lynch out of Wikipedia. I also realize the NYT article on I.W. Abel that I cited only mentions Lynch; however, I thought it might be important as an item to verify his appointment.

I will revise the article as you recommended and weave the citations into the copy. Since I have never written for Wikipedia before I am bound to make more mistakes. I appreciate your forbearance in advance.

STTLynch 75.66.168.60 (talk) 21:54, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, STTLynch. Thanks for stopping by. Please log in before editing.
Iorwith Wilbur Abel is a C class article, and in my opinion, it is really more of a start class article. It has only three references, and vast swathes of the content are unreferenced. For a model article about an American labor leader, take a look at George Meany. It has a four paragraph lead, 58 references, and every assertion in the body of the article has a reference to a reliable source. I wrote 77% of the content of that article, which went through review by other experienced editors and is rated a Good article. You do not need to go to those lengths but that article should give you a better idea about what is needed than the Abel article. Feel free to ask specific question at any time.
Coincidentally, I am also the primary author of another article about an African American man with the first name of Leon. Take a look at Leon Jordan. Take care. Cullen328 (talk) 22:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I will review the Meany and Jordan articles and try to approach edits to the Lynch piece with them in mind. STTLynch (talk) 13:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, I have revised the draft and moved it into the encyclopedia. See Leon Lynch. Cullen328 (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for placing the inline citations I appreciate all of your assistance and work on this entry. How does the review process unfold from this point? Also, I have written permission from the USW to submit a photo for this article. Tony Montana in USW Communications says I can submit the same photo that is being used on the Digital Civil Rights Museum site, as Long as the image is credited to United Steelworkers archive. The photo can be downloaded from the Digital Civil Rights Museum or I can upload it. Thank you again for your interest in this article and your invaluable help. STTLynch (talk) 06:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, I am sharing the Wikipedia link with my family and with the USW. I know they will all be thrilled at the Well-doc,, aumented and appropriate coverage. I wo)uld try to add the image to the page but as a novice editor, I don’t want to mess up the layout. I will search for a tutorial to get guidance on how to properly upload and place an image. Thank you again so very much. STTLynch (talk) 07:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, only the copyright holder can freely license a photo for use on Wikimedia projects. If Tony Montana has that authority on behalf of USW, then he should open an account and upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons. I cannot do that and neither can you. Once that happens, let me know his username and the precise file name, and I can add the photo to the article. Cullen328 (talk) 14:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
@STTLynch: Please have Tony Montana (or anyone else at USW) fill out that online form (it takes less than two minutes), copy-paste the resulting text, and send the email from a USW email address (the form will tell you where to send it). If they just create an account at Commons and post a photo that was downloaded from the internet, it is likely the license will be questioned and they will be asked to send an email anyway to prove their affiliation with USW.
On the other hand, if they have difficulty uploading the photo to Commons, the email alone can be sufficient (as long as they precisely identify what picture is authorized, for instance by attaching it to the email). We can easily handle the technical steps of the Commons upload and article inclusion.
If you want to try your hand at image edition yourself, have a look at Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup, or the more complete (and complex) Wikipedia:Image tutorial. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Tigraan, Thank you for the additional information. I sent Tony Montana your previous request with links to the Digital Civil Rights Museum and to the required photo release form. I will advise once I hear from him. I expect he will be open to completing the form based on his previous cooperation. Again, many thanks. STTLynch (talk) 16:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Two other editors have made comments about unreferenced information. How does Wikipedia reference personal information like years married, number of children, divorce and remarriage? The only place I have seen some of this personal data appear for Lynch is in selected obituaries and memorial service booklets. STTLynch (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, obituaries published in reliable newspapers are OK. Memorial service booklets do not have professional editorial control and are not available to readers for verification purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Thank you. Lynch’s first wife, Estella Smith, is mentioned in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette article. His wife, Doris is also mentioned in that obit as are his other close surviving relatives, his four daughters, two brothers and five grandchildren. Not sure there is any specific mention in any public documents except birth records of his first three daughters being born and raised with his first wife. Lynch’s obituary also appeared in The Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN) on May 9, 2012, The Tri-State Defender (Memphis, TN) in the May 10-16, 2012 edition, and the Northwest Indiana The Times Business on May 9, 2012. Do I need to attempt to locate links or simply add these news citations where appropriate? Thank you. STTLynch (talk) 18:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, do not try to reference public records such as birth records. That is not permitted. As for the obituaries, links would be useful but they are not required. You can try to create and add the references yourself. I can't do that myself unless I actually read the articles. If you want to email the obits to me, then I will do it. Cullen328 (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Hi. I attempted to add the additional references and inline citations where the editors indicated they were needed. Hope the additions are adequate. If so, will they review and then remove the notations re: sources needed? I added several additional news sources. Thank you. STTLynch (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, can you please add the newspaper names to references 7 and 8? Also please add author names when known, and page nimbers of offline sources. Cullen328 (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. It shows The Commercial Appeal in the named reference for 7. And that shows up in the long form Wikitext too. Shows Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in the reference name for 8 in the long wiki text. Not sure why the name does not show in the references. If you can advise how to edit the citations I will be happy to do so. Or do I need to delete them and start again? I will be glad to add page numbers where I have them. STTLynch (talk) 21:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, I recommend that you use the newspaper parameter instead of the publisher parameter. Newspaper names are supposed to be italicized and the publisher field does not allow that. I will take a closer look at your wikicode. Cullen328 (talk) 21:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I put in the names of the newspapers I. Two places and they were not showing up so I tried the publisher space to see if that would work. I also put in B5 for the Commercial Appeal page number but that disappeared too even though it showed up in the preview. Not sure how to approach this next. STTLynch (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, you put some of the newspaper names in a ref parameter that does not display. I have changed that to the newspaper parameter. Cullen328 (talk) 21:40, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

If I don’t place the newspaper name in the publisher space, the newspaper name does not appear in the preview for the citation. STTLynch (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, the publisher parameter is not correct for newspaper names. Use the newspaper parameter instead. Maybe there is a bug in the preview function - I never use it since I have been coding Wikipedia articles for 13 years. Cullen328 (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Hi. Since we are both working on the text, I am going to take a break until you have completed your good work. Just let me know on what else you need from me and I will do my best to add needed information. Thanks so much. STTLynch (talk) 21:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I put the newspaper name in two places: Ref? And Ref Name but when I preview that there is no newspaper name. I can ignore that as long as the citation is actually correct. STTLynch (talk) 21:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, ref name is just a mnemonic and allows a reference be used more than once. It is not displayed to the readers. I usually use NYT when citing the New York Times, butvit could be the author surname. The ref parameter is unknown to me and apparently also does not display to the reader. Cullen328 (talk) 22:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, There is no newspaper parameter or box to fill on my screen. Only Ref or Ref? I place the newspaper names in both of those sections. STTLynch (talk) 22:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen, Coincidentally, the page number for Reference 10 is also B5. Shall I input that one again? Thanks. STTLynch (talk) 22:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch. I use pre-formatted citation templates. You can see the most common ones at User:Cullen328/Tools. I am done editing for a while. Cullen328 (talk) 22:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I will redo reference 10 with the page number and hope the name appears properly. STTLynch (talk) 22:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 and @Tigraan, My USW contact, Tony Montana, confirmed that he completed for Wikipedia online form and uploaded the image of Leon Lynch. Is there anything else that I can follow up on to make sure this image eventually comes through on his Wikipedia page? Many thanks for all your assistance and editorial expertise. STTLynch (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello, STTLynch. I need to know the exact file name of the image. It does not show when I search for "Leon Lynch" on Wikimedia Commons. Cullen328 (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, USW says try f039c6ee9c5ad2f6ae816767982fcb2d.jpg STTLynch (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, I am sorry, but there is no such file on Wikimedia Commons. File names are supposed to be descriptive, not random character strings. Cullen328 (talk) 17:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen, I will let the USW contact know that and get back to you. Thank you. STTLynch (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, My USW contact says he resent the image for inclusion. The file is renamed to "Leon Lynch.jpg" STTLynch (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, I do not see that file. There may be some delay because your contact used the form instead of unloading it directly. Did your contact open a Wikimedia account? If so, I can track the contributions. Cullen328 (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

(Redacted)

Hello, STTLynch. It is good that we have that ticket #2022092810010647. We will have to wait for the volunteers at Commons to process the request. I am going to delete your most recent post, because it has too much personally identifying information. Cullen328 (talk) 20:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, Thank you for the redaction. Appreciate your help and patience re: the photo. STTLynch (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

STTLynch, I have added the image to the article. The actual file name is "File:Leon Lynch, International Vice President for Human Affairs, United Steelworkers, 1976 to 2006.jpg". It is important to be precise with file names. There are over 50 million files on Wikimedia Commons. It is easy to find a file if you have the precise name but much more challenging without the precise name. The image has several error messages, probably because it has not yet been fully reviewed by Commons volunteers. Keep an eye on the article and let me know if the photo disappears. Cullen328 (talk) 01:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
STTLynch, looking closer, I see a major problem with the image. You are listed as the uploader, not Tony Montana. Also, the image is listed as your "own work", which amounts to a legal declaration that you are the photographer. Do you have any idea how this happened? Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, I received a link from Wikimedia instructing me to upload the file, which I did. Only after I completed it did I se the text at the bottom of the email giving instructions to declare u was not the owner of the image, even though I was given express written permission by Steelworkers to share the image with the Wiki team. I immediately sent a note to the Wikimedia team asking how to delete the image and try uploading it again. The second time, I was going to note I am not the copyright holder and see if I could complete the upload. Waiting to hear back from them. Would have deleted it already and tried again if I knew how to make that happen. STTLynch (talk) 09:36, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, I just responded to an email from the Wikimedia Commons team and sent them what I hope is the proper link to the image. They noted they will make the call about it once they see it. I presume they have the ability to properly edit/credit the copyright info or that they’ll delete the file and have me upload it again with the proper copyright declaration. Thank you. STTLynch (talk) 09:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Received this message from Wikimedia Commons. Seems they are on it. “No need to start again: everything is editable. However, if you are not the copyright holder we'll need evidence for the license from the copyright holder. Probably at this point the process described at COM:VRT is the only way to do that. - Jmabel ! talk 23:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)” I copied and pasted the email from USW’s Tony Montana with the link he provided to his uploaded image of Lynch. I await a response. Good to know everything is editable re: photo credits. 

STTLynch (talk) 10:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
STTLynch, I suggest that you send the ticket number to Jmabel. I added as a note to the image file. Cullen328 (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, Thanks so much but I already sent the ticket number to Jmabel and the Wikimedia Commons team. STTLynch (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328, While the Wikimedia Commons team sorts out the copyright credits on the Leon Lynch photo, I want to ask whether you can edit the photo caption that reads “Leon Lynch in 1996.” The copyright holders at the USW advised the date of the photo should be changed to 1990. As Jmabel suggested, I updated the date where I could; however, I could not update the photo caption. Does Wikimedia have to do that or could you? I would greatly appreciate the edit if you are available and have access to do so. Many thanks.
STTLynch Done Cullen328 (talk) 15:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: Dudley Perkins

Since you thanked me for mentioning your Dudley Perkins (motorcyclist) article on a Teahouse post I want to say "you're welcome." The person seeking help on a draft article about a motorcycle racer seemed overwhelmed, so I didn't want to suggest studying articles with rows and columns of racing data, or ones that had tons of red names (links to articles that don't exist). I was just skimming through articles in search of a few to suggest the editor read, and yours looked neat-and-tidy, with reliable references. It seemed to be a good example to learn from. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Karenthewriter. You accurately describe the approach that I try to take when writing biographies like this. I appreciate your feedback. Cullen328 (talk)

I need some help

Good day! Mr. Cullen, I really need help. For the first time in my life I am writing a new article, before that I only edited it, but I feel the strength to bring an article about good people to the vastness of Wikipedia. I am a student, but due to the war in my country, education has deteriorated a bit, in terms of lack of information in my direction. We have an IT company in our city, which in my, and indeed in all universities in the city, conducts free lectures and courses for those who are interested in the technical direction. It also helped our university technically. Since universities do not give good information about development, this was a chance for me to fulfill my dream of starting to program. I haven’t become a developer yet, and I don’t think it will happen soon, but this company helps people like me from start to finish, and even in practice there is an opportunity to try to do something. I am inspired by such actions, because for the first time I see that an IT company is somehow culturally and educationally connected with the society and I am proud that there is such a thing even in my hometown. But it was quite difficult to write an article, since all and information about them is mainly in English, and this is not my native language. Due to the fact that I have not yet succeeded in writing articles, I am writing to you as an experienced professional in terms of editing Wikipedia, as I am completely confused in the stages of writing an article and I am not sure that it is error-free. My article is in the wikipedia incubator "incubator: bandapixels". Please help me, what are the next steps after the article is published in the incubator and what should I correct in the article. I would be very grateful for any help! V.rova (talk) 07:05, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, V.rova. The incubator process is not part of English Wikipedia and I know nothing about it. So, I am sorry but I cannot help you. Cullen328 (talk) 15:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I never heard of "the incubator" until just now reading this comment. Experimentally I tried Incubator:Bandapixels in the search box and surprisingly it was a valid link, taking me to something called the Wikimedia Incubator. Looking at the main page https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Main_Page I don't see why a draft article would be moved there; the purpose of the incubator seems to be to start new Wikimedia projects. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks a lot for your answer! I had problems with the incubator, because I mistakenly believed that it belonged to the English-language Wikipedia too. And now I know that incubator in russian-language Wikipedia is like "draft" in English-language version. Thank you and I am sorry for wasting your time! V.rova (talk) 06:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks a lot for your answer! I had problems with the incubator, because I mistakenly believed that it belonged to the English-language Wikipedia too. And now I know that incubator in russian-language Wikipedia is like "draft" in English-language version. Thank you and I am sorry for wasting your time! V.rova (talk) 06:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) V.rova, Cullen328, the Article Incubator was a part of Wikipedia. It seems to have been closed down in about 2014. That is the sum total of what I know about it. V.rova, whatever article you're trying to write, it should probably be in draft space (the page name should start with 'Draft:'). Cullen, I'm amused to see that you're six years older than that dragster, because that's exactly how much older than it I am. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Deity-based interjections

If I can't say "Jesus tapdancing Christ", I don’t want to be in your revolution. EEng 19:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I hereby grant a special exemption to you, EEng. Cullen328 (talk) 20:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
So much for your lofty principles. EEng 20:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
By Grabthar's hammer, this shall not stand! Dumuzid (talk) 20:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
One of the funnest flicks ever. EEng 21:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Is this IP up to something?

Hi, I've just come across this user:2603:800C:11F0:7EE0:240F:38C6:8D77:E2A1 and wondered if all those alterations were legit? Knitsey (talk) 19:11, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Knitsey. That is strange because a random look at several of the IPs shows that they haven't edited in about 15 years. It looks like somebody trying to play administrator for no good purpose. Cullen328 (talk) 19:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Can I leave it with you? Knitsey (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Knitsey, I am not sure that anything needs to be done. Cullen328 (talk) 19:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok. Thought I should check. Thanks for your help. Knitsey (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Alcohol-fueled barnstar

The Admin's Barnstar
We don't seem to run into each other much around here, but (probably after one too many glasses of wine) I just wanted to let you know that I, at least, see and appreciate what you do at the Teahouse, the admin boards, and elsewhere. Your level-headedness and deep understanding of Antandrus's observations are an example that we all should keep in mind, always. Deor (talk) 00:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
1958 dragster
Hello, Deor. I very much appreciate your kind words. Like this old dragster that I photographed a few years ago, I too am fueled in part by alcohol. I try to regulate the flow of the fuel, though, so I move much more slowly. I am six years older than the dragster, after all. Cullen328 (talk) 01:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
I built a plastic model of a dragster very like that one when I was a kid. And I'm nine years older than it is. Deor (talk) 23:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Humanities Ref. Desk edit

Why did you insert your comment inside David10244's, leaving the first part of his remarks hanging with no attribution? That's certainly not recommended procedure. AnonMoos (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AnonMoos. It was an inadvertent typographical error which I have corrected. Thanks for pointing it out. Cullen328 (talk) 19:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Pellumb Xhufi

I have been asked to coordinate discussion of the issue of the reliability as a source as Pellumb Xhufi. You are one of the editors who has either used Xhufi as a source or expressed a concern about the use of Xhufi as a source. The place for the discussion is at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Pellumb Xhufi. Your participation is not required but is encouraged, and may be the best way to have your opinion considered. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon. I do not think that I have never expressed an opinion one way or the other as to whether or not Pellumb Xhufi is or is not a reliable source. I lack expertise in evaluating the reliability of Albanian and Greek sources, after all. My concerns have been with some editors repeatedly attacking this academic as unreliable without gaining consensus that this is the case. I am pleased that an editor such as you who is highly experienced in dealing with dispute resolution is working on the matter. As the years have gone by, my respect for your work in this area has grown. It is not easy and I respect your neutral stance. Please let me know of you see a specific area where my input would be useful. Cullen328 (talk) 05:20, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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Advice

Thank you for thinking of me. I will spare Flo the bother of further pings on his talk page. Jehochman Talk 03:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Jehochman, if you have something that you want to discuss with me, please let me know what that thing is. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 04:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I’m good for now. I wrote to acknowledge your advice placing my comment here to spare Flo any further pings. Be well. Jehochman Talk 04:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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