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Inclusion criteria

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This list article lacks clear criteria for inclusion. Per WP:LSC: "Selection criteria should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources." Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 14:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The War at Home

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Should this sitcom really be on here? It seems to be a fairly forgettable sitcom but I wouldn't say that the negative reception is notable enough to warrant mention. The summary even mentions praise for the show. 65.60.216.22 (talk) 04:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tripper's Day

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Yes, it was a godawful bucket of arse gravy but why no mention of the sequel, "Slinger's Day"? With Bruce Forsyth in the title part and many of the unfortunates from "Tripper's Day" reprising their roles (rumour has it that they were told "You'll never work in this business again if you don't sign up for this") it was, improbably, even worse than the original. I don't have a strong enough constitution to go looking for references, but perhaps there is a connoisseur of dreadful TV with a handy shipping container of mind bleach who feels up to the task? Mr Larrington (talk) 03:46, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I also did wonder why the sequel is not mentioned here. There does seem to be a general problem with references for this one. As noted at Talk:Tripper's Day the Tripper's Day article does not actually provide evidence for the poor reception the original received and that is also the case here. I am not disputing that it was poorly received, but there should be some source cited to show this. Dunarc (talk) 20:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Rewrite

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All of the entries need to be rewritten as they appear to be copied verbatim from their main pages. 92.53.105.156 (talk) 05:18, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 November 2017

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved as this idea got a negative reception. (closed by page mover) Bradv 00:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

– Consistency with List of films considered the best, List of films considered the worst, List of television shows considered the worst, List of video games considered the best, and List of automobiles considered the worst. 165.91.13.204 (talk) 02:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose "considered the worst" is not the same as "known/notable for negative reception". The former is more just direct looking at aggregate scores and summarizing those. The latter is more about understanding why something was considered bad. There are bad sitcoms and video games that are just bad and have disappeared into the vapor, but there are also sitcoms and video games that may not have been as bad, but their "badness" created long-standing reputation. --MASEM (t) 02:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose - for the video game article, as it would completely break the entire premise and inclusion criteria that has been used to clean up the article. There's no need for absolute consistency in this anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 03:02, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per previous comments, "considered the worst" implies something different than "known for negative reception". There are some video games on there, like No Mans Sky, which most critics would never call a "bad game", but received large amounts of negative reception for other reasons (its small scope on release compared to advertising/hype).ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not sure about the sitcom article but in the case of the video game one changing the name would require a major shift in organization and inclusion criteria, something was never discussed before the move request.--67.68.21.146 (talk) 04:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The naming of the list switches around things for me; 'known for negative reception' implies things which the public and critics didn't like and can be sourced with ratings and reviews easily. 'The worst' is subject to personal opinion and doesn't seem to imply any type of sourcing is needed. Nate • (chatter) 23:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Shorten list by deleting unnecessary entries?

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The list is way too long and overcrowded with entries. Imo it should be thinned out by deleting all entries that do not exactly fit the inclusion criteria. In particular, all entries that do not cite at least one reliable source that says it's one of the worst shows ever or had an otherwise notable and lasting negative reception should be deleted. Epomis87 (talk) 11:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Epomis87: I just deleted 12 enties that were unsourced or based solely on a TV Guide listicle from 2002. Together, these entries totaled 10,023 bytes, or about 7.2% of the entire list by bytes. 82 entries remain to be inspected. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:24, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fred: The Show and Marvin Marvin

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(Originally from the talk page for worst tv shows of all time.) Fred: The Show and Marvin Marvin are both extremely short-lived sitcoms that aired on Nickelodeon in the early 2010s. Both are universally panned by critics and audiences for their low production values, painfully unfunny humour, and for essentially being long form Fred videos on TV. The page for Fred: The Show mentions that it is considered to be one of the worst series ever made and that Common Sense Media gave it a 1/5 in addition to its laughably bad 2.1 score on IMDB. Not even Paramount+ has Lucas Cruikshank's series or movies on their platform despite having all of their other sitcoms available. Can both be listed here due to their overwhelmingly negative receptions and for their notability as the first tv shows based on an internet personality? Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 17:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As long as you add the sources that confirm their claim of being among the worst ever, please feel free to add these shows yourself. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I wanted to ask permission first, because I thought that this page had strict criteria similar to the worst movies of all time and worst video games of all time lists. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 20:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added both, but The Media Life Magazine's review of Marvin Marvin cannot be source due to the website being defunct and Web Archive being down. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 21:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do animated sitcoms count towards this list?

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Recently, I put Red Ape Family here due to generally low scores from non-cryptobro viewers and critics, the show is essentially propaganda and an advertisement to promote and sell NFTs and cryptocurrency. My edit was reverted under the assumption that this list is only for live-action sitcoms and that I should put it on the other list. However, can/should animated sitcoms be put on this list such as the aforementioned Red Ape Family and Allen Gregory, or do they belong on the other list? Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 03:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It may be argued that inclusion of animated shows could become a slippery slope. I immediately think of live-action upon hearing the term "sitcom". Animated shows are grouped into something else entirely in my mind.
Maybe it would be better to create separate lists for live-action and animated sitcoms? Then again, if these shows are considered sitcoms, then I don't see why they should be excluded. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A separate list/page for animated sitcoms is unnecessary, there are not many that are universally hated beyond Red Ape Family, The New Norm (Twitter animated sitcom), and Allen Gregory. "Modern" versions of animated sitcoms like Family Guy, The Simpsons, or Rick and Morty do not count. Red Ape Family and Allen Gregory should be listed here instead of the other list due to being sitcoms, and not just simply animated series of another such as Velma (Mystery) or Brothers Grunt (Comedy). Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as long as they're sitcoms then there's no reason to exclude them from this list. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because Red Ape Family is now cross-listed, an RfC is needed to settle this. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Animated sitcoms

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Should animated sitcoms be listed in this article or in List of television shows notable for negative reception#Animated shows, or both? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally believe that it belongs here, because it is a sitcom, as I did not list it on the worst TV shows of all time list. The other animated shows on the other list such as Caillou, Velma, Santa Inc. and Brothers Grunt are not. However, Father of The Pride is an animated sitcom, and is listed there instead of here. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 17:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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