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Proposed merge of Puff-puff (Dragon Quest) into Gameplay of Dragon Quest

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Its been a week and no support has been garnered. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There is a longstanding Gameplay of Dragon Quest article that would make sense for this concept to be integrated into, given that it's an intrinsic gameplay element of each game. Compare Bonfire (Dark Souls) prior to its merge, which arguably had more reception. There's widespread consensus the majority of minor gameplay aspects don't require a separate article for each one, and Puff-Puff is just a one-off gag (the equivalent of "Poison swamp (Soulsborne)") or something. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I am very curious how "one-off gag" applies to something present in multiple franchises, one of which features it as a recurring element in more than a dozen works, one which is referenced by multiple unrelated games. The fact that it is not exclusive to Dragon Quest and indeed not originating in it would make a "Gameplay of Dragon Quest" redirect not make sense. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 23:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also find the comparison to the Bonfire article faulty; the AfD result involved a majority of people stating various things, such as the benefit of Bonfire's content being used to beef up Soulslike as a genre. The result did not mention anything about "minor gameplay aspects don't require a separate article," just that Bonfire did not. Why would puff-puff being covered here make "Gameplay of Dragon Quest" a more comprehensive article? Furthermore, the diff you linked, the Legacy section is official merch and that the dev did the same thing in Elden Ring, which barely qualifies as legacy. Simply put, the "puff-puff" is actually something with legacy and cultural impact. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I fail to see any benefit to this merge, if any. It doesn't even originate in Dragon's Quest, and to boot would feel out of place in it without creating one hell of a WP:UNDUE moment. The bonfire comparison also doesn't work in this case.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright then - how much can be discussed about Puff-puff outside of a Dragon Quest context? Judging by the article right now, almost nothing. Given it's entirely notable for its use in Dragon Quest and nowhere else, I'd say it's an apt comparison. Furthermore, if this is the case, (Dragon Quest) should not be the disambiguation, it should be something like (term). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The censorship of the puff-puff scene is discussed outside of the context of Dragon Quest in sources included in this article. Furthermore, it is disambiguated Dragon Quest because it is most well-known as a Dragon Quest concept. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 04:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking online through sources it's definitely a pop culture term for Japan, and one easy enough for the reader to understand separate of Dragon Quest as a concept. In regards to the games, it's brought up and asked about in the same way towards these games just looking through Japanese sources in the same capacity people would get excited to see a returning character. This has some legs, even if it's a bit of a weird one.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Given the cultural impact of the subject stated by User: Kung Fu Man, it is deserved that this has its own article; reducing this "one-off gag" to mentions in the DQ articles may make it too expanded to distract from the actual article. Since there is no benefit to merging, it would be more viable to keep the article. MimirIsSmart (talk) 04:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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