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Move?

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Britannica and Encarta both say "Eadred". Time for a move request? Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The spelling Edred is actually quite a rarity these days, at least in most serious scholarship. The same goes for the modernised variant Edwy, which is now more commonly written as Eadwig. (Cavila (talk) 08:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC))[reply]

I like Edred and will probably always spell it that way, but if it need be, to keep Wikipedia abreast of academic fads (and thus more respectable), I support the change. Both spellings are contemporary. Srnec (talk) 04:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd miss Edwy. Are you lot quite sure that usage has actually changed? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Either it has changed or the naming never followed the Britannica/Encarta lead.

Same for Eadwig: Britannica: Eadwig, Encarta: Eadwig. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The 1911 Britannica used both Ed- forms. When the change has taken place - probably the detestable 15th edition - would require more research than I am free to do at the moment. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it happened quite recently. Some of the other Britannica material still refers to "Edred" and "Edwy". Wot, not AWB? Wot, no bots? Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National Biography), PASE (Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England) and the Blackwell Encyclopaedia of Anglo-Saxon England all favour 'Eadwig' and 'Eadred'. Admittedly, current spelling conventions happen to be a little inconsistent. The spellings 'Edward', 'Edmund' and 'Edgar' are attested more frequently than the Ead-variant (though the latter does appear every now and then), while the Ead-spelling is generally retained when the names do not refer to these kings. (and for similar cases, compare the ash-names Athelstan/Æthelstan, Æthelwulf/Ethelwulf, etc. or names with Beorht-/Bryht-/Byrht- as their first theme). Fortunately, of course, we don't really have to ditch either name, but it appears logical to me if we adopted the prevalent spelling for the primary lemma. (Cavila (talk) 08:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Moved.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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DNB

The DNB article (see edit earlier today) is not plagiarism: it is not used in the article and it is credited. It may be copyright violation, or there may be a fair use defence. If anything from it was used in the article, it would be credited, in just the same way as any other external source. Stikko (talk) 20:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the record. In order to credit something, you need to specify your source, but all you did was a simple copypaste. No doubt you did that in good faith and we're only talking talk page space here, so I'm sorry if the edit summary came off a little too strong. You're right to point out that the real concerns are to do with copyright or fair use. For editors who'd like to use the article but don't have access to the (new) Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, the diff is here (or contact me). Cavila (talk) 14:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Author's name was credited at the bottom. The phrase "All the World's a Stage" can be credited to WS without naming the play. Stikko (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Northumbria

As the succession box stands, it may imply that Eadred was undisputed king of all the English from 946. I propose to amend it as follows: -

Alekksandr (talk) 21:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regnal titles
Preceded by Edmund	King of the English 946–955	Succeeded by Eadwig
Preceded by Eric Bloodaxe	King of Northumbria (as King of the English) 954–955	Succeeded by Eadwig

If you wish then do so, but you should perhaps take into consideration that the infobox says he was "King of the English" not King of England, people in Northumbria (York at least) were at this point in history mostly Scandinavian or descendants of Scandinavians. But I certainly understand your point, do what you think is best. 06:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)JoshNEWK1998 (talk) 06:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My reason for referring to him as 'King of Northumbria (as King of the English)' was that (AFAIK) he used the title 'King of the English' throughout his reign and never used the title 'King of Northumbria'. And the first king whom wiki calls 'King of England' is William the Conqueror. I will therefore make the amendment suggested above. Alekksandr (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah man, I agree with you mostly, but just to correct you (wikepedia really) England included Northumbria as part of it for about 100 years before the Norman conquest. So technically William was not the first King of (all) England. In fact Æthelstan was the first King of England as he was the first to have possesion of all the seven former Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, that was before Eadred.12:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)