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The article was promoted by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 14 May 2022 [1].

Eadred

Nominator(s): Dudley Miles (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is the latest in my nominations of later Anglo-Saxon kings. It has received very helpful peer reviews from Mike Christie, Ceoil and Tim riley. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review what's the source for the info (kingdom and town locations) on File:British Isles 10th century.svg? Could verifiable source be added to the image description on Commons? (t · c) buidhe 02:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Buidhe. See Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop/Archive/Sep 2013#Æthelstan - first king of England. The map was created at my request in 2013 based on a map in Sarah Foot's biography of Æthelstan as amended by me. It has been used in two FA articles without any query being raised in FAC at image review. Is there anything I need to do? Should I add based on Foot's map? Dudley Miles (talk) 09:03, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if you could cite the Foot map (what book it's in and page #) that this is based on, it would help verifiability. (t · c) buidhe 15:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Tim riley

My few queries were fully dealt with at peer review, and I am happy to support the promotion of this article to FA. It appears comprehensive, is balanced and well proportioned, an excellent read and well illustrated and referenced. Meets all the FA criteria in my view. Tim riley talk 17:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, I think something somewhere isn't quite right with the present page. The article talk page still, as I type, has the red message inviting people to initiate the review, and my comments, above, don't appear on the summary of FAC comments here. I know not what's gone awry but something certainly seems to have done. Tim riley talk 20:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Mike Christie

Like Tim I had my say at the peer review. This is a fine article. I'm not seeing whatever problem Tim is referring to, above, so perhaps that was a caching issue? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mike. I was seeing the issue yesterday but not today, so presumably it has been resolved. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from Hawkeye7

A great article. Very well written and informative. No issues.

All sources are high quality.
Add an access date to the British Library link, in case they decide to do a reorganisation at some point.
Not fond of the inline links to Sawyer. Would prefer use of the cite web template to guard against link rot.
MOS:PAGERANGE: Like date ranges, number ranges and page ranges should state the full value of both the beginning and end of the range, separated by an en dash: pp. 1902–1911 or entries 342–349. Except in quotations, avoid abbreviated forms such as 1902–11 and 342–9, which are not understood universally, are sometimes ambiguous, and can cause inconsistent metadata to be created in citations.
Spot checks not done.

Support its promotion. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:47, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Hawkeye7. Changes made. I have run [[User:GregU/dashes.js|script]] and it finds no errors. That should cover the en dashes? Dudley Miles (talk) 10:24, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I ran it too and it made the required edits. [2] All good. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:34, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Any idea why the script does not work when I run it? Dudley Miles (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a bug in the script that causes it to not work every time. when it happens to me I run it again. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

"Edmund was about eighteen years old when he succeeded to the throne in 939, which dates his birth to 920–921 and their father" - need a comma after 921 to close the subordinate clause

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Dunstan, the Abbot of Glastonbury and a future Archbishop of Canterbury, was one Eadred's most trusted friends" => "Dunstan, the Abbot of Glastonbury and a future Archbishop of Canterbury, was one of Eadred's most trusted friends"

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Ceremonial was important" - is "ceremonial" a noun? Also, it might be worth joining this to the sentence after with a semi-colon, rather than have a "sentence" of three words

Ceremonial is a noun according to OED. I prefer to keep the sentences separate as it will be just one example of many ceremonies we do not know about. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"for example, the charter which is displayed right" - there is no charter "displayed right", at least not with my screen settings (it's below this paragraph). Is it possible to reword this?

It was originally right and it was moved by an editor who thought the width of the image would cause problems and kindly tried to sort them out. ~~I do not think the position below works so I have moved it back pending further queries/suggestions.~~ On second thoughts, I have tried centering it and increasing the size. Does that look OK to you? Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"HT1 style reverse inscribed 'INGELGAR M'." - doesn't need a full stop as it is not a complete sentence

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"During Eadred's reign Æthelwold asked for permission to go to abroad" => "During Eadred's reign Æthelwold asked for permission to go abroad"

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Mortuary chest of Eadred in Winchester Cathedral." - doesn't need a full stop

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I got. Great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Chris. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by Borsoka

~~Introduce the Northumbrian Danes (I am not sure that all our readers from all over the world realize that they are the Vikings mentioned in the previous sentences).~~

Described the Great Heathen Army as Danish Viking to clarify. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Link "king of York" and add some background for we were informed in a previous sentence that Aethelstan had united England, and Edmund inherited a united England from him.~~

Linked and clarified. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Link Ripon, Thetford, Tanshelf (to Pontefract).~~ Borsoka (talk) 02:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linked Ripon and Thetford. Tanshelf is already linked. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the review. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All my concerns were addressed. After reading the whole text, I am supporting the article. Thank you for it. It is an exceptionally detailed, but also well written and interesting article. Borsoka (talk) 02:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. (t · c) buidhe 01:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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