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On 20 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Democratic Party of Korea to Democratic Party (South Korea, 2015). The result of the discussion was moved.

Infobox: Ideology

I think we should change the current DPK ideology like this:

Liberalism (South Korea)
Social conservatism
Economic progressivism or Fiscal progressivism^[1]^[2]
Footnotes "a" : DPK is often referred to as "social liberal" in the media, but this position is mainly limited to the economic position, and other (mainly cultural) socialiy positions show conservative tendencies.

DPK has never taken a largely liberal view on social issues since the 2010s, and has repeatedly retreated and reactionay. However, as you can see from the current name Lee Jae-myung, it is true that he has continued to left-click economically. DPK is clearly right-wing in European, Canadian, and U.S. standards on social issues, and is not considered at least 'liberal' (リベラル) in Japan.

Although cultural liberalism and social liberalism are different, social liberalism certainly includes agendas such as LGBT rights and human rights for the disabled. (At least in Europe and North America, it's used in this sense.) DPK has never taken this position on social issues. But they have never officially put forward socialism or social democracy, and I suggest writing down the ideology like this because it cannot be regarded as South Korean political reward.--Storm598 (talk) 23:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they /it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Jae-myung, who has now been confirmed as a presidential candidate for the Democratic Party, is a progressive in terms of economic issues. However, he is neither progressive nor liberal in social issues. Rather, he has often been compared to Donald Trump in blunt terms, and there have been controversies over misogyny and disparaging the disabled.--Storm598 (talk) 23:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they /it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And there is a lot of data to enter that almost all politicians in the Democratic Party are social conservatives. It is difficult to find cultural liberals within the Democratic Party.--Storm598 (talk) 23:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they /it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Around two years ago, Jeff6045 wrote social conservatism as "factions" in the DPK article's infobox because DPK is economically "social liberal". DPK is a very culturally powerful conservative. (The hostile tendency toward human rights for the disabled or LGBT human rights issues is also described in 'Democratic Party of Korea' article.) Multiculturalism is also not a liberal position compared to conservatives in South Korea. It can be seen that he was the first member of the National Assembly to be elected from a conservative party in South Korea to become a Jasmine Bacurnay Lee.--Storm598 (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they /it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "South Korea's president replaces top economic officials | Financial T…". archive.fo. February 23, 2019. Archived from the original on February 23, 2019. Retrieved February 23, 2019.
^ Shin, Hyonhee (2021-09-14). "'S.Korea's Bernie Sanders' tops presidential polls with talk of universal basic income". Reuters. Retrieved 2021-10-11. A South Korean politician who once said he aspired to be a "successful Bernie Sanders" is leading the field to replace Moon Jae-in as president after rising to prominence with an aggressive pandemic response and a populist economic agenda.

Come to think of it, it might be better to edit it like this.

Liberalism (South Korea) (Footnote : DPK is often referred to as "social liberal" in the media, but this position is mainly limited to the economic position, and other (mainly cultural) socialiy positions show conservative tendencies.)

What is certain is that DPK defines itself as not a progressive party, and even defines themselves as conservative or centre-right. Also, they have never taken liberal views on social issues. DPK is social liberalism only in terms of economy.--Storm598 (talk) 02:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~In addition, DPK supported labor flexibility policies and some privatization policies. #--Storm598 (talk) 02:39, 28 October 2021 (UTC)~~ WP:SOCKSTRIKE :3 F4U (they /it) 19:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody wants to read stuff that's been crossed out, lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.123.117 (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Centrist reformism footnote

I'm not sure if this is a bad suggestion or not but I remember on an old version of this page saying that centrist reformism is akin to conservative liberalism and/or liberal conservatism in the rest of the world. I added this sentence to the centrist reformism page saying "In international standards, centrist reformism can be seen as conservative liberalism and/or liberal conservatism" (copied it from the old version of this page). But I can't remember if there was a source for this statement too but I think this page could benefit from a footnote in the infobox with a sentence like that (preferably sourced too of course) as centrist reformism is unheard-of and non-existent outside of South Korea, so it would be a very useful footnote. ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic Party of Korea → Democratic Party (South Korea, 2015) – The name of the party is "Democratic Party", and is mentioned as such on various newssites 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really a contested technical request? The permalink is broken, and the technical request at WP:RM/TR#23V seems uncontested. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jlwoodwa: No, but at least users will be aware of the page being up for discussion for it to be moved. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57, Impru20, Vacant0, Siglæ, Rowei99, Μαρκος Δ, Checco, Scia Della Cometa, Yakme, Vacant0, Braganza, Kawnhr, Chuborno, Davide King, Nick.mon, Erinthecute, HapHaxion, Helper201, Vif12vf, PLATEL, Morgan695, Tyrosian, and Elg3a-1: What's your opinion on the subject? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 15:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Braganza (talk) 15:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Tyrosian (talk) 13:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No reason to oppose the rationale given. Impru20^talk 19:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was initially skeptical of the rationale, because it would only be natural to drop "of Korea" in an article about Korea — it's self-evident. But looking at the sources, they overwhelming use the shorthand "DP" rather than "DPK", which indicates the party really is just the "Democratic Party", no "of Korea". The BBC does use DPK, but a quick look on Google shows they are the outliers here, and most use "DP". — Kawnhr (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. --Checco (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proportional results in the Electoral results section

As it stands, it says that the party received proportional seats only in the 2016 election, whilst the PR section is greyed out for the 2020 & 2024. However, the total number of seats includes the PR seats won by its satellite parties, the Platform party and Democratic Alliance of Korea for 2020 and 2024 respectively. As these parties were basically the Democratic party but under a different name in order to bypass the limitations that the compensatory system has for large parties, I would suggest still including the PR results for the 2020 & 2024 elections, but maybe with a different colour bar as well as a note that the PR seats were won by either the Platform party or Democratic Alliance of Korea, just so it is clear that they are not *technically* the same party, but rather just satellites. Vladimir Budinski (talk) 01:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ideology

The ideology should be changed into -Liberalism(South Korean) -Economic progressivism -Social conservatism -Korean nationalism -Centrist reformism

The document ‘Liberalism(South Korea)’ says Korean liberals have nationalistic stances and are socially conservative, and there are plenty of backup evidences in that. Also DPK dosen’t describe itself as ‘social liberal’. I think more proper and factual ideology description is needed. 211.227.40.129 (talk) 12:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "South Korea's president replaces top economic officials | Financial T…". archive.fo. February 23, 2019. Archived from the original on February 23, 2019. Retrieved February 23, 2019.

[2] Shin, Hyonhee (2021-09-14). "'S.Korea's Bernie Sanders' tops presidential polls with talk of universal basic income". Reuters. Retrieved 2021-10-11. A South Korean politician who once said he aspired to be a "successful Bernie Sanders" is leading the field to replace Moon Jae-in as president after rising to prominence with an aggressive pandemic response and a populist economic agenda.

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