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Draft:Betty Fiechter

There's an ongoing draft about Swiss businesswoman Betty Fiechter here. There is a bit of English-language coverage but I can't find enough for WP:GNG - It looks like there is a good bit of foreign-language coverage, especially in French. Any help uncovering those sources would be much appreciated! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 19:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

To start with, these two pieces ([1], [2]) from the Daily Telegraph should be helpful. Silver seren^C 19:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, these are advertisements for the Ladybird line of watches and not actual journalism. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@ThadeusOfNazereth: have you looked at the references for the French article. The most promising link is

BEATRIZ ROLDÁN (2022-08-15). "Betty Fiechter, la primera mujer en la cumbre de la relojería suiza". El Mundo (in Spanish). Retrieved 2023-12-11. (headed Lifestyle)
"Des femmes d'exception : Betty Fiechter (4/5)". Radio Jura bernois (in French). 2022-07-25. Retrieved 2022-11-14. audio in French with text summary, seems to be an interview with a former employee
I checked tellerreport.com on archive.org and it looked like a translation of El Mundo

TSventon (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for those - I was able to use both of them in the article. Right now it's in a very borderline state where I think she meets WP:GNG but I sort of doubt AFD would agree. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 17:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Any luck with searching her full name Berthe-Marie Fiechter? Thriley (talk) 22:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I tried searching a Swiss newspaper archive for Betty Fiechter and got this. Sixteen results, one in 1996 about her monument at Villeret, one in 2021 about an exhibition of 5 statues, also less useful stuff like a burglary and a car accident. Nothing for Berthe-Marie Fiechter. TSventon (talk) 23:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Not really. There is a very detailed profile here but it's a primary source so I hadn't incorporated it yet. Some mild coverage from the Swiss government here and a couple mentions in lifestyle magazines that don't meet WP:RS. The newspaper coverage above appears decent but I'll have to do some translation. I appreciate all the helpfulness! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 23:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Her NY Times obituary, while run under the paper’s “Overlooked No More” series, seems to demonstrate her notability in my opinion. I’ve never seen an article deleted for someone with an obit in The Times. Thriley (talk) 00:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Article is now live in mainspace :) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 04:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Urdu translation Fakhra Younas / Fakhra Younus

Question for the hive mind: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Pakistan lists Fakhra Younas as a red link. English wikipedia has an article for Fakhra Younus. I don't read Urdu. Does anyone know if this is the same person? Fakhra Younas (Q3738509) I think so, but don't want to create a redirect if I am wrong. There's also an article in Italian. Thanks in advance for any advice. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates: The en article and the it article via Google translate are obviously about the same woman, so I have merged the Wikipedia items. It is possible that Italian and English romanise Urdu slightly differently. TSventon (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Done Thanks for the merge TSventon, I agree that the romaization was slightly different. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Anyone into domestic violence shelters?

Hi folks -- Not strictly remit, but I just declined a G11 on Marjaree Mason Center (in Fresno, California) and the tagger gutted the article. There seems to be a lot of coverage on Ebsco/PQ but little I can quickly see that's obviously substantive/reliable to rebuild an article. This is not an area I work in, can anyone help out? Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Working on finding sources, give me a sec. Silver seren^C 02:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Here's what I found.

I hope that's enough for now. Silver seren^C 02:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Silver seren! Is there anything out of the local area? It seems that even non-profits now need to show national-level coverage to survive; I admit I was quite surprised at how strict WP:NONPROFIT is on this now. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully some of these help, Espresso Addict. Silver seren^C 03:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

And this. Silver seren^C 03:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I've had a bit of a go at the article (Marjaree Mason Center), it's fragmentary but at least it's all sourced thanks to the heroic efforts of Silver seren! What do folk think of the notability? I hesitate to leave the enormous delete-me tag at the top but it's not an area in which I work so I don't feel comfortable removing it. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Sabeeha Rehman

I'd appreciate feedback on Draft:Sabeeha Rehman. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Affiliation Committee

Hello folks, I've put myself forward for the Affiliation Committee (!) - supporting new affiliate organisations. If you think I would make useful contributions there, please add a note on the meta talk page. Nominations are open for a few more days, it's a really interesting and strong field of candidates and there might be others you'd want to support too Lajmmoore (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Noblewoman

The Noblewoman article is in very poor condition and really needs expanded. It shouldn't be too difficult to do it, what with other wikipedias work available. Its a particular aspect of a segment of civil society that doesn't get much of a look in, yet is a comparatively large and important part of that society, both in the present and from a historical perspective. I would do it myself but have other fish to fry and have so many other articles of my todo list, that I've stopped adding to it at the moment. It really needs a proper with lots of excellent images that would suit it. scope_creep^Talk 09:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up, scope creep, but it seems to me we need to delve into histories covering elite and noble women in Europe and Asia. The current article is based on the French version. There also seems to be extensive coverage of noble women in Spain. Perhaps those documenting nobility in Russia. the Middle East and China could also contribute. I'm not too sure it "shouldn't be too difficult" as a meaningful world history seems to be sadly lacking. Any concrete suggestions?--Ipigott (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ipigott: How goes it? Unfortunately no. It does have a quite a large scope certainly, but the reason I said it should too difficult is because there is a mountain of sources on it. The good thing about the aristocracy as a group is that they tended to document their own existance quite well, at every level of their society in every country they existed in. Before World War I, they were dominant as a group in Europe. I reckon there is a probably six months to years work in it, easily but the sources are readily available. It just needs somebody that is capable of writing large complex articles that can take it GA/FA and get it done. Theyre is several article that can be spun out of it, e.g. how fashion changed, social mores. Loads probably. scope_creep^Talk 18:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, scope creep- I think that rather than basing development on the aristocracy's own records, what we need are links to neutral contributions by historians or researchers. If you don't have time to work on the article yourself, I suggest you list some of your reliable sources on the article's talk page. That may encourage future work. In any case, I hope that in due course you will find time to work on the article yourself.--Ipigott (talk) 11:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The tendency among recent historians, especially when talking about women, has been very much to use "the aristocracy's own records", in the form of letters and diaries. A global article could be taking on too much - as the mess at gentry shows. Johnbod (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Yea, I suspected that. I suspect there will be a lot of that. I've not done any work on it at all. You would use academic sources if you could, if they are available. Unless somebody else knows better, there must historians of that group surely, who will probably be part of the group right enough, since they are quite secretive and closed to preserve their own power, money and prestige. The group that nobleman and noblewomen belong to are known as society, which is the most power group on earth, certainly in the west. Its called other things in other places, but certainly society in the uk. They are the moneyed elite. To get an idea of how they work, which I only found recently, take a look at Napoleon. He is attacking Russia. He is part of society. While he is attacking Russia, he decides to visit the czar who welcomes him, who are all part of society. All equals. So it shows the society transends normal normal civilisation, existance. That elite group don't act for man in the street. It may be difficult to write it but needs to be done. scope_creep^Talk 16:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Frankly, that's a strange way to look at the peace negotiations leading to the Treaties of Tilsit in 1807. Johnbod (talk) 06:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Pictures on editathon page

Traditionally there was a picture of a woman in the infobox of the event page, from within the topic of the event. I've noticed that these have been missing in recent months. Please can someone review my additions to 321, 322 and 323 for next month? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks MSGJ, They look good! Because the template generates a page with a WiR logo as a place holder, the photos sometimes get away from us. Please feel free to nudge or add. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't work out how to change the image - is there an explainer somewhere? Lajmmoore (talk) 22:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore: the event page template is {{WIR meetup header}} and the template documentation at the bottom of the page explains how to add an image and a caption, but perhaps it should be explained somewhere else as well. TSventon (talk) 12:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)