Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Switzerland/Archive 5

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Swiss heritage on en:wikipedia

Dear contributors to the Swiss project,

A French-language contributor is looking for someone interested in translating the articles she creates on French-language Wiikipedia. Her focus is built heritage in the canton of Neuchâtel. This translation project might be interesting for anyone who is interested in architecture and built heritage. Let me know, or contact her directly via her userpage on fr:wikipedia.

Thanks in advance!--Flor WMCH (talk) 11:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Improving articles on Swiss law

Hi everyone. I'd like to improve the articles about Swiss law. Does anyone have a good overview where I should begin, what is missing and what I have to consider when writing about Swiss law? Kind regards --PatrikUlmann (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@PatrikUlmann: I'll suggest three quick ideas. First, if you are still looking for pages to improve and not just ideas about how to improve pages, people at WikiProject Switzerland have assessed the quality of articles relevant to the project, so you can easily find the articles that need work. For example, more than 15,000 articles are currently just "Stubs". You could look through there for law-related articles. Second, the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject Law may also have good suggestions. Finally, in improving articles on Switzerland, you will find that the German/French/Italian Wikipedias sometimes have much better articles than the English Wikipedia (and often have an article where the English Wikipedia has none). Translating those pages can sometimes be an easier way to build English content. - Astrophobe (talk) 18:11, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! These are very good suggestions. --PatrikUlmann (talk) 19:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Glad to hear that :) Please feel free to let me know on my talk page whenever there's anything I can do to help. - Astrophobe (talk) 20:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:AZNA

Is this company notable? Most of the references are in a language I can't read, nor can I determine if the references are "good" ones or not.

If it's not notable, I'll ask the author to not spend more time on it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll just go off of what's on the page, with the caveats that (a) I don't want to search for sources myself so there may be in-depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that just aren't on the page yet, and (b) I'm assuming it should be judged according to WP:GNG, but I can't say I know a lot about startup-related notability consensus so maybe there's some kind of assumed notability for this kind of thing that I'm not aware of. With those caveats, I'll go source by source and explain why notability has emphatically not been demonstrated. Source 1 looks in-depth and reliable but not independent, since it is just an interview with the founder without any in-depth independent text by the magazine. Source 2 is a record of a trademark and source 3 is the entry for the company in a government-maintained database of companies, neither of which are independent or in-depth evidence of notability. Source 4 is a discussion of the organization in a local paper, which looks like a perfectly in-depth and independent discussion of the subject in a reliable source. Source 5 almost convinced me that it was right on the boundary of potentially being considered a reliable source per WP:LINKEDIN, but then I realized that the author of this linkedin post works at the school where this startup is founded, so it is not credibly independent. Finally, Source 6 is the company's website. So in total I count one local news article that looks like in-depth independent coverage in a reliable source, which falls short of GNG's demand for multiple sources along those lines. In my opinion if this page were published as is and went up for AfD, there is no way it would survive without a WP:HEY rescue. Having said all of that, it is absolutely possible that the sources are out there to demonstrate notability. To my reading they just aren't on the page as it stands. - Astrophobe (talk) 22:43, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Just realised I don't know if you watch this page so I should probably courtesy ping you davidwr - Astrophobe (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I usually watchlist pages I edit for at least a week, but the ping was still helpful. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:04, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

davidwr Astrophobe Very late, I realize - I ran an extended search for sources and came up empty. I believe this should be treated as non-notable at the time being. One remark regarding Astrophobe's evaluation of source 5 - HEC is a full grown university, not just a local school, so one of their teaching assistants using an alumni's company as an example for subsequent coursework is probably more notable than "local school paper discusses former pupil". However, given how recently the founder graduated, it is difficult to ascertain whether AZNA was picked as a use case totally independently, or due to familiarity with the former student himself. I would therefore also discount the independence of source 5, and land on "doesn't pass WP:GNG for now. MLauba ^(Talk) 12:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the double check, all of that makes sense. - Astrophobe (talk) 18:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

"Canton of" vs no "Canton of"

Someone added "Canton of" to all canton pages (for example: Canton of Nidwalden instead of Nidwalden), without updating the categories. Given that there isn't any trace of consensus about that (see WT:WikiProject Switzerland/Archive 4#"Canton of X" and Talk:Canton of Vaud#Bold page move) and that the explanations provided were not really compliant with WP:Article title (see this diff), I reverted back to the previous titles. In the cases of Canton of Grisons and Canton of Vaud that would involve renaming the categories (and also please note the discrepancy between Canton of Grisons and Category:Graubünden), so I'm leaving them where they are for now. Zach (Talk) 16:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

And by the way Template:Cantons of Switzerland is a mess, and it also needs some updates. Zach (Talk) 16:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't bother, I fixed it myself. Zach (Talk) 13:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

'Category:Swiss-language surnames'

Is 'Swiss-language' acceptable? Perhaps 'Swiss-languages' or 'Swiss-origin'?Xx236 (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Good question! I think "Swiss-languages" would make sense. Zach (Talk) 17:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

New user

Hi everyone! I'm a new user and I'm contributing to some articles related to WikiProject Switzerland:

My contributions are linked to a University project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/UNIBG/Heritage_studies_and_ICT#Articles_on_Wikipedia_in_English_and_username I hope I'm doing well. If you have any advice, please, write me! Valenic (talk) 14:43, 9 March 2021 (UTC)User:Valenic

Thank you! I think you're doing absolutely well. Good to see new editors on the wiki (and I'm interested in southern Switzerland topics too, mainly Valais, Ticino and the Grisons). Zach (Talk) 17:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest

After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from Switzerland.--Ipigott (talk) 06:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Swiss-language surnames

The author is banned, so I am unable to discuss the idea with him.Xx236 (talk) 07:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Freigleis in Lucerne

I'm working up an article on the Freigleis, the bike path that replaced the old alignment of the Zentralbahn in Lucerne. If there is anyone here who is in the Lucerne area and could take some free pictures of the path I would be most grateful. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 12:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Leonhard Euler

I have nominated Leonhard Euler for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 04:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Pierre Rossier

I have nominated Pierre Rossier for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 22:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR for James Joyce

User:Buidhe has nominated James Joyce for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 21:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Swisstopo maps are now free

External link to swisstopo geodata

In case you didn't hear it in the news, all swisstopo maps (available at map.geo.admin.ch) are free since March 2021. Which means: in addition to use them as source to write tons of (quality) articles, now you may also incorporate them directly in Wikpedia and modify them as you wish, as long as you cite swisstopo (see example on the right). With that - happy editing! Zach (Talk) 18:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Could fit in several geography articles. Swisstopo itself should probably have a map or two too. 11Fox11 (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

I have the 1:300 000 General Map (printed version, [1]), which is a reduced version of the four 1:200 000 national maps on a single sheet. It's a great map to have when travelling around Switzerland and I actually advice people to buy it. I think we could have an electronic version of it. Naturally, we should also have at least a few 1:25 000 examples. Zach (Talk) 09:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I downloaded a first sheet. The original tiff file is 379 MB. I used GIMP to convert it to a jpeg with only 50% quality. The result is a 25 MB file, not so big for a resolution of 14,000 × 9,600 pixels. Zach (Talk) 10:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Here is the General Map: 17,280 × 12,412 pixels. The file is quite heavy though (67 MB, originally 2GB!). Zach (Talk) 13:54, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I think we should even have all 1:50'000 sheets. Then they can be easily stitched together with Template:Multiple image. Have a look at Lake Geneva#Topographic map for a nice example (and Lake Lucerne#Settlements for a 1:25'000 example). Zach (Talk) 18:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The WikiMiniAtlas popup might be replaced by swisstopo maps for geographic entities in Switzerland. --Leyo 21:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I, too, think geographic entities should have a link to a geoportal including swisstopo maps. The question is how do we do it. Do we put an external link to map.geo or do we have our own atlas? Personally, I think a template linking to map.geo (using the coordinates of the page) would be a first easy thing to do. Zach (Talk) 16:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Also please note that orthophotos and terrain (3D) are free to use as well. They can be used to generated photorealistic views of any place in Switzerland, like remote locations where free pictures are often not available (example here), or simply aerial views. Zach (Talk) 16:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Correcting error on pages covering Switzerland

On the page Lago di Sambuco which is a reservoir, the value given as water volume in reality is the concrete volume of the dam. The correct volumen is 64'000'000 m^3. Source: http://www.swissdams.ch/fr/les-barrages/liste-des-barrages-suisses/Sambuco.pdf 80.208.159.223 (talk) 17:27, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lake Zurich#Requested move 19 December 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lake Zurich#Requested move 19 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 17:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section has an RFC

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red translation contest: April to June 2022

At the beginning of April, WikiProject Women in Red is launching a three-month translation contest focused on increasing our coverage of women's biographies. As the French, German and Italian versions of Wikipedia are among the most popular sources for translation, members of WikiProject Switzerland may be interested in participating.--Ipigott (talk) 10:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Nestlé boycott#Requested move 18 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nestlé boycott#Requested move 18 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 02:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

GAR for UBS

UBS has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. (t · c) buidhe 03:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Duino Elegies Featured article review

I have nominated Duino Elegies for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Swiss Federal Constitution#Requested move 3 August 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Swiss Federal Constitution#Requested move 3 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 05:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Swiss Broadcasting Corporation

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Swiss Broadcasting Corporation#S... 4, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 11:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

GAR notice

Switzerland has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

RfC going on about infoboxes of Swiss federal councilors

Hello! There is an RfC going on right now about how the infoboxes for Swiss politicians and especially members of the Federal Council should be formatted, over on Template talk:Infobox officeholder#RfC: guidelines on Swiss federal councilors infoboxes. Julio974◆ (Talk-Contribs) 17:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Zytglogge

Zytglogge has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

State Secretariat for International Finance

FYI

I draftified State Secretariat for International Finance; it's probably notable but needs a lot of work. I'll do what I can for it, but I figured I'd notify this project to get more attention on it. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 20:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Switzerland:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 13:47, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

RfC - Swiss Federal Councillors Infobox

In which of the following ways should infoboxes for Swiss Federal Councillors be organized-

A - Include separate sections for President, Vice President and Federal Councillor (currently used; see Alain Berset and Viola Amherd);
B - Include only one section for "Swiss Federal Councillor" with lines to show years served as President/Vice President (see this old revision [2]); or
C - Same as option B, but include separate sections for the incumbent President and Vice President (listing only the current term) . estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I personally prefer option C as I feel this gives the best of both worlds. For older terms, it shows that the President and Vice President are really just firsts-among-equals, while also making it easy for readers to see who the incumbent President and Vice President are. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:20, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

(invited by the bot) I think that those who come here from a broadly broadcast RFC are not going to be "deep in" enough to answer this meaningfully. But I'm against any project RFC that would tend to claim or look to be multi-article authoritative or a mandate. Maybe you should reword as "which is preferred". Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:28, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Names of the Swiss Confederacy

I'd appreciate this project's input on a discussion regarding the names of the Old Swiss Confederacy (the German name in particular). Zacwill (talk) 07:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Federer–Nadal rivalry

Federer–Nadal rivalry has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 23:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)