Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Archives/2021/July

Tour Players for 2021-22 season

Hi there, I posted this on Lee's talkpage, but was advised to post here. Owning to the fact that there are just 122 players on tour for the 2021-22 snooker season (due to the pandemic) and a large number of tournaments require 128 players to create the standard halving of players to reach the final stage, I believe its worth putting in a column for the guaranteed top 6 players from the Q School Order of Merit who did not earn a tour card, because they will be in the draw for every single tournament as top ups. However, I know this is not a normal thing to include because there hasn't been a season that required such a thing to be included, but since this season is the first not to have 128 players for god knows how long (more than a decade?), i think its worth including since WST have indicated they'll be using the top up list extensively this season. Admittedly, its likely to be just 4 Order of Merit players for the Home Nations [because there's likely to be 2 nation-specific players invited as amateurs], but the whole season will involve the same 6 invited players, unless otherwise noted on each events page. Thanks for your time. --CitroenLover (talk) 12:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Its been a fair number of days, so on the basis of no response, I am going to add the Q School Top Up List of 6 guaranteed players who will feature in events to the 2021-22 snooker season article as a 3rd column, noting the exception of the home nations series, where WST may add amateurs from local governing bodies. --CitroenLover (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Your suggestion seems a sensible one if the season commences as it stands, but you may be jumping the gun. World Snooker may award more wild cards, or may yet just award the top 6 a tour card. Betty Logan (talk) 21:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

WST confirmed that the tour this season will have 122 main tour players and that the remaining 6 will be order of merit and wildcards from local governing bodies, the latter being for the home nations events. There are no further tour cards being handed out. —-CitroenLover (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

After i added this relevant information to the page, two anon IP users [presumably the same user] have conducted an edit war over the inclusion of the information, which is officially sourced from WST’s pages. I’d like a resolution on this so the senseless edit warring on the topic doesn’t continue and require page protection. —CitroenLover (talk) 23:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

This looks like a difference of opinion over semantics to me. Just create a new sub-section so they are separate from "new professional players". While I think your suggestion is sensible it should be explicitly clear that these players don't have tour cards. Betty Logan (talk) 07:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. Especially since the anon editor is resorting to abusive language to make a point. 😔 --CitroenLover (talk) 14:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

2019 Haining Open et al.

I previously mentioned (see #Haining Open), that I wasn't sure if these articles met WP:GNG. For example, the 2019 event only has one source - the draw. I did a bit of poking around, and Snooker Scene didn't cover the event at all, and I can't find a single RS that actually comments on it. Would this be a suitable event to redirect to Haining Open? I am currently working on a good topic for the 2019-20 snooker season, every other event has plenty of coverage, but this one has next to nothing, and certainly nothing to show that it's a suitable article for wikipedia.

If there happens to be a load of Chinese language based sources that I don't have access to/can't find, then that's cool. Posting here, rather than opening an WP:AfD, as there is a suitable redirect target. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi I just wanted to let you know Snooker.org has covered this event with all the results on it's 2019/2020 season calendar. I just wanted to let you know. 31.200.165.185 (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm of the view that we shouldn't be covering minor events in such detail. We're an encyclopedia, not a repository of statistical information. Stats are better covered by other sites like snooker.org, we don't need to mirror their data. As noted, the scores for the 2019 Haining Open are on snooker.org - why are we simply replicating their scores? It's just a waste of effort. The same applies to the individual Challenge Tour events (eg 2019/20 Challenge Tour 1). We have Challenge Tour 2019/2020 which could be expanded to include brief summaries of the individual events. In summary: if an article contains just the scores with little prospect of anything else being added, then the article should be deleted and the event covered at the higher level article (eg Haining Open). Remember, just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Nigej (talk) 19:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Pretty much my thoughts - if we just have results, then that's hardly an article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree that for an edition of tournament to have its own article, there should be some coverage beyond just results in independent websites, books, magazine or newspapers, unless there's another compelling argument, e.g. like it being a world championship for women or amateurs. I'd be happy with 2019 Haining Open being made a redirect to Haining Open. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)