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Common trees

Add Rowan  5

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A tree with a wide geographic distribution, used for many purposes and with folkloric and mythological meanings. We could also add European rowan, which has much more interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tilia  5

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Also known as linden, or lime tree. Another tree used for several purposes and which has cultural significance.

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add Acer platanoides  5

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Also known as Norway maple. A common type of maple in the old world, and also as an invasive species in America.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Trees, we still have so much room for trees. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Anatomy additions

Found these three omissions

Add Rib cage  5

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We list Rib  5 and Sternum  5, but not this.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 11:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Per above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Add Celiac plexus  5

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Also called "solar plexus"

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1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. suitable for this level. starship.paint (RUN) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Surprised we didn't have this already. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Pelvic floor  5

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Now, a more better understood part of the body

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. suitable for this level. starship.paint (RUN) 09:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Surprised we didn't have this already. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Common fish

Add Atlantic salmon  5

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A commercially important species of fish, farmed and fished for use as food in many countries.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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Add Atlantic herring  5

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"one of the most abundant fish species in the world", important to the fishing industry for many countries

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Add European perch  5

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The European species of Perch  4, popular game fish for recreational fishing around the world.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
4. We have the room, let's close this batch out. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Rubus  5

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A large and diverse genus of plants, includes Raspberry  4 and Blackberry  4. We are below-quota on Plants, so there is room for it.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Inject the plant additions into my veins! -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Match  5

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Important everyday item we don't yet list. Add under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Lighting

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 21:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
3. Lost my lighter, emergency matches are what I am using to light the cigarettes up; pretty commonplace in every day activities and thus vital. The Blue Rider 03:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Two coefficients and one fallacy

Add Coefficient of determination

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Variance  4 helps understand the spread of a sample, but its value alone may not provide much insight. This is where the coefficient of determination comes into play. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, very basic and we're still barely at quota in math. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Coefficient of correlation

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Covariance  4 helps understand how two variables change together, but its value alone doesn't show the relationship's strength or direction. That's where the coefficient of correlation comes in. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, very basic and we're still barely at quota in math. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Correlation does not imply causation

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In fields like economics and statistics, it's vital to remember this fallacy. Recognizing this distinction is crucial for accurate data interpretation and analysis. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, very basic and we're still barely at quota in math. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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World additions

World war

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Many world wars besides WWI and WWII have existed, a vital concept for history, politics and culture. 72 interwikis. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 07:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Supporting and agreeing with above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Support but only under History, not STEM. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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1. Too general of a term.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

1. Not true, it is pretty well defined. Plus we list things much more abstract than this. The Blue Rider 14:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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World government

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Controversial issue that is often debated in politics. 37 interwikis. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 07:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Besides being closer to a philosophical thought experiment or literary trope in my mind, we already have UN and international organizations. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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• I'm guessing this will pass, but if so, doesn't it belong more under Politics than STEM? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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World population

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Widely studied concept per itself but also its implications; important for geography, politics and demography. 77 interwikis. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 07:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Interstellarity (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Important. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 18:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
6. Support, but only under the Social Sciences. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Attercopus, Brontoscorpio, Plesiosiro

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As much as I dislike contributing to the bias against invertebrates, I unfortunately don't see much indication that these fossil arachnids are important enough concepts to be vital articles given their taxonomic recency combined with not being very popular research topics in general. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Defering to nom on this one. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Mostly deferring here too. Don't see an argument for inclusion from reading the short articles or looking at pageviews. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Plantation  5

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Combining cash crops and large estates, plantations have been important in creating the modern world economy, and they date back to ancient times. Their history is full of exploitation and conflict.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Support but shouldn't it be under Economics? This is more a historical form of production than a distinct technology in my mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zar2gar1 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Typesetting  5

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An important aspect of the Printing press  4.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
3. I actually like this one for technology; very intricate topic with a long history but still relevant today. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
4. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Media (communication)

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We use these everyday like books and TV. Interstellarity (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy support. It connects all of this stuff together. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 10:23, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, I actually like there to be some overlap in Level 5; it suggests ways to merge/split articles. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Replace Clopen set with Connected space  5

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Clopen sets are really not an very important concept. They matter basically only insofar a connected space is defined to be a set with no nontrivial clopens. If anything, Connected space should be nominated, and in fact I will nominate it. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC) Edit: I am changing this proposal from just removing Clopen to replacing Clopen with Connected space, as I should have done from the outset. Connectedness is one of the most fundamental concepts in General topology  4. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 02:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 03:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Absolutely, glad to start seeing the math proposals. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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• @Mathwriter2718:, hello! Here at WP:VA we support as nominator; also make sure to include a support, oppose and discuss subsection for people to vote. Cheers.
• @The Blue Rider: I am changing this proposal from just removing Clopen to replacing Clopen with Connected space, as I should have done from the outset. Feel free to retract your per nom support if you disagree.

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Add Quaternion  5

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A number system that extends the complex numbers. Used in mathematics, physics, and computer science. 64 interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
2. Support for level 5, quaternions are fairly important. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Absolutely, glad to see the math proposals coming in. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Peer-to-peer file sharing for Peer-to-peer  5

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I feel like the general concept should be listed than just "file sharing" cause there are many other usage of P2P that isn't just file sharing.

Support

1. 49p (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Napster  5 for The Pirate Bay

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Sailing the seas has a longer legacy than Napster. One lasts 20 years and ongoing, and the other only lasted 3 years. The Pirate Bay is "one of the most visited torrent websites in the world" and "sparked controversies and discussion about legal aspects of file sharing, copyright, and civil liberties".

Support

1. 49p (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 15:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Neither should be there. Both covered by the more basic concept above (Peer to peer file sharing) Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

   Not every more basic concept is always more important than its subconcepts or examples. The Blue Rider 00:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

2. per above Makkool (talk) 17:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Remove both. Interstellarity (talk) 12:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Napster and the legal battle surrounding it were of pivotal importance to the development of music sharing and distribution on the Internet, and foreshadowed the development of copyright conflicts to come. Neutral on adding TPB, which was influential, but by far the first service of its kind and has been in decline for years. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
5. Both should be there. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 04:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Curved spacetime

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The page curved spacetime was recently split from Spacetime, a level 4 vital article. I believe that the topic of curved spacetime is vital enough and could fit under spacetime in the hierarchy. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As Nominator GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure, I could see this in Lv5 Physics. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Electrode  5

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Parent topics of Cathode  5 and Anode  5. Place under Electrical conductor  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:03, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure, physics has room and I like some overlap at Level 5 to stimulate merging / splitting. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Logging  5

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Important industry worldwide. List under Agriculture.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 06:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Prediction  5 and Forecasting  5

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A Prediction  5 is a commonly created form of intangible property; and Forecasting  5 is the process of creating it. There is some overlap with Estimation  5 but a key difference is that predictions are concerned with future events or data, whereas estimations can be for both existing and future data.

Prediction can be placed under Mathematics#Statistics and probability; Forecasting can be placed under Technology#General.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Critical in stats and meteorology. -1ctinus📝🗨 03:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Support both, but disagree with the categories. Skimming the articles, seems like Prediction belongs somewhere closer to Philosophy and Forecasting belongs with Science Basics. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Lissachatina fulica  5

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Also known as Giant African land snail. A popular pet animal, and also a major invasive species in some parts of the world.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Articles in 32 languages. This species is very common: USA, China, Brazil, Italy, Nigeria, Papua New Guinea.... starship.paint (RUN) 13:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
3. We definitely have room for this. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Keratitis  5

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Important medical topic, one million people are blinded every year by the fungal version alone, and that version isn't even the most common one. In my opinion, this could potentially make VA4. 33 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
3. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
4. We have the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Add Microcomputer

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A class of computers that includes Home computers.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
3. Covers the Commodore 64  5, Raspberry Pi  5, ZX Spectrum  5 and Apple II  5, among others Iostn (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 06:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Adding Common drugs and reorganizing some (1 of 2)

The World Health Organization lists several "Essential Medicines" in their document here. Many are not included in the list. Furthermore, several common drugs are also not included. I have gone through and found several that are on their list but not on ours, as well as one that is not on their list (hydrocodone, Gabapentin, alcohols (medicine), and medicinal cannabis) but that I think is important to include.GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Bupropion

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Important type of antidepressant. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Clomipramine

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. There is room. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Carbamazepine

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Comment

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Amitriptyline

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. More than seven million prescriptions in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Fluphenazine

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Per discussion below. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Comment

@GeogSage: Can you please explain why this one should be listed? I can't really tell from reading the article why it is more important than other medicines we could list. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, so I went through the WHO Model List of Essential Medicines and spot checked a few medicines. I believe everything on this list should be included on Vital, and wanted to get the ball rolling. I started with medicines that were psychiatric because that seemed to be thinner. Ultimately, I would like to go through the list systematically and add all the UN essential medicines, but this is a start as it could get overwhelming otherwise. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hydrocodone

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. We have room for this, and it can always be removed if we stop having room. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Gabapentin

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. The tenth most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with over forty million prescriptions. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Clonazepam

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. More than eleven million prescriptions in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Alcohols (medicine)

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Obviously. Ethanol  4 is VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Medical cannabis

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Support

1. as nomGeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
2. Definitely vital. Cannabis  4 is VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
4. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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