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00:53, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Yourculturalscholar

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Hello,

My submission for Nick Barili was declined with the reason: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article."

I have since updated the draft to include references to significant and independent coverage from notable publications such as the LA Times, Deadline, The Oscars, Billboard, Rolling Stone, Princeton, CBS News, ABC News, Popsugar, HOLA Mag, Complex, Vibe, and Hip Hop DX.

Could you please advise if there are additional areas I should improve to demonstrate notability or address any other concerns? I want to ensure that the article aligns with Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability.

Thank you for your time and guidance! Yourculturalscholar (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yourculturalscholar: you have resubmitted Draft:Nick Barili, so you will receive feedback when a reviewer comes across it and assesses it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

01:21, 21 November 2024 review of submission by জামাল রেজা

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I am unable to hyperlink the page and my profile can you please suggest that and also tell me some of them for that. জামাল রেজা (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed your link, it needs to be exactly as the title is- Draft:Jamal Reza. 331dot (talk) 01:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@জামাল রেজা: I'm not sure what, if anything, you're asking, but as your draft is in a language other than English, it couldn't be accepted no matter what. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you make it as soon as possible please...? is it possible within half an hour? জামাল রেজা (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
জামাল রেজা we have no deadlines here. Why are you on a deadline? And, as noted, the draft is not in English, you need to go to the Wikipedia of that language to post it. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though, I'd recommend against it; it's a non-neutral autobiography. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

04:42, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Tomdee UG

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I need someone who can help me because, i try my best Tomdee UG (talk) 04:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tomdee UG: your draft, such as it is, has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

06:17, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mhamdym

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Why was my manuscript rejected? Mhamdym (talk) 06:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mhamdym: your draft presents no evidence whatsoever that you are notable enough to be included, not to mention that it's basically just pure self-promotion. Please read WP:AUTOBIO, which explains why we very strongly discourage autobiographies. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mhamdym You have confused Wikipedia with a website that is interested in your life and achievements. Please use a resume site like LinkedIn. This draft has been sent for deletion as a blatant avert. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

09:07, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Mydaemonthirst

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I need to understand what sources I am allowed to use. I created a further draft 'Swindon Health Hydro, Formerly Known as Milton Road Baths' because I wanted to change the title and I wanted to be more thorough with the details of the building's history, backed up with more references. If I know what I can and can't cite then I will find other references, however long that takes. The 'Swindon Victorian Baths' article is about just one element of the building and is part of the story of the Victorian Turkish baths movement - it deserves to be kept separate as part of that story, with a cross-reference from an article about the Health Hydro. Mydaemonthirst (talk) 09:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mydaemonthirst There is a strong suggestion by Robert McClenon that your work has a better home in Swindon Victorian Turkish Baths and that it be merged there. You may wish to discuss this with them directly.
Please do not create further drafts. The eventual name is flexible and can be decided at any time.
With regard to sources, the term Reliable Sources excludes anything that has no strong professional editor oversight. This excludes blogs, amateur websites, almost all of Youtube, etc etc. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putting the story of the Health Hydro into an article on the Turkish baths would not be right.
As I've stated several times already there are strong reasons for my objection to subsuming the Health Hydro in an article about the Turkish baths:
  1. The Turkish baths are just one part of the Health Hydro - telling the story of the whole building in an article about just one element would be a wasted effort - no-one would look for the Health Hydro in an article on Swindon Victorian Turkish Baths.
  2. People have clearly made an effort to tell the story of the Victorian Turkish Baths movement of which the Swindon article is just one element. Surely that story should be left to stand?
  3. An article on the Health Hydro would leave the Turkish as about one twentieth of the story, if that. The Health Hydro has two swimming pools and a 'dry side' that is about two thirds of the building. The large pool hall is a remarkable space that looks more like a railway station than a baths. The small pool has it's own story - originally the ladies' pool, it became the pool in which generations of Swindonians learnt to swim. The dry side first housed the Medical Fund Society's broad range of medical services (that Nye Bevan cited as an inspiration for the NHS), then an NHS Medical Centre, then a whole range of complementary medical offerings and is now entering a new phase in which it's unclear what will be there.
I do not understand why there can't be a separate article on the Health Hydro, cross-referenced to the existing article. Then the full story of the Hydro could be told, whilst preserving the story of the Victorian Turkish baths movement.
I'll return to the Swindon Health Hydro, add more details to that but ensure that the references are valid. Where this leaves unsupported information I'll have to hunt down approved sources. Mydaemonthirst (talk) 14:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Mydaemonthirst. When you say "I'll have to hunt down approved sources", you are showing that, like most drafts written by inexperienced editors, you have written it WP:BACKWARDS. An article should contain not one single piece of information which is not verifiable from a reliable published source. Not one.
More generally My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. (I'm aware that you created your account three years ago, but you had made only a single edit before you started working on this subject). ColinFine (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had solid information - just not acceptable to Wikipedia. For instance, I found papers in the reference library and I downloaded documents from the council's planning website. So I did have solid sources (I now understand that these are not acceptable to Wikipedia). So the article is factual and, locally, I could back it up. Now there are one or two areas that I need to back up with further documentation that I can cite on Wikipedia. Mydaemonthirst (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm looking for more in the way of usable sources. I may well need to cut some of the article that I know to be factual but for which I haven't yet found appropriate sources. Mydaemonthirst (talk) 06:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12:01, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Eminrg

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what should a proper documentation should look like ? Eminrg (talk) 12:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eminrg It is mandatory that articles are properly referenced (see WP:VERIFY) and that the topic itself meets our notability criteria (see WP:NOTABILITY). I am not convinced this topic is notable, especially as you used an AI chatbot to generate most of the text. I would recommend working on improving the existing LGBT articles instead of working on this rejected draft. Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies. qcne (talk) 12:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:36, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Thocsburg Fish

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My submission for a page was denied, but I couldn't find any info in the message as to why, I have access to the historical documents and maps proving this happened, and I was planning on using those to fill the page in with more info after once I get other documents and read the already existing ones more. Could it please be accepted, or at least elaborated on as to why it was declined? Thocsburg Fish (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thocsburg Fish: this draft was declined because it is supported by only one source (which is merely listed in the 'External links' section, without being actually cited anywhere), and that source is may or may not be reliable. In any event, a single source is not enough to show that the subject is notable, which would have been another possible reason to decline this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:59, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Karnnut Ngamvitroje

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Am I able to use sources from University's website to cite an information that is directly mentioned the location within the university, also why is my source considered unreliable?? Karnnut Ngamvitroje (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Karnnut Ngamvitroje. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
This means that, while the university's own publications and website may be cited in limited ways, the bulk of the article must be based on sources unconnected with the university. ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:03, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SmileyShogun

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Just curious what I can do to improve this article for publication? SmileyShogun (talk) 20:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rejection typically means that a draft will not be considered further and cannot be resubmitted, at least not without major changes that address the concerns of reviewers. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:44, 21 November 2024 review of submission by Ngiphondims

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Because I'm a bigginner. Ngiphondims (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wish you luck in your music career, but Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

22:08, 21 November 2024 review of submission by SandFrex

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this artist is an independent artist that just started so technically isn't notable yet because she doesn't have any interviews and stuff. Is there a way to make her article be published? what information would you need? her social media links? SandFrex (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you describe means that this person does not yet merit an article; see WP:TOOSOON. Interviews do not establish notability, there must be significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 23:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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