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Posting New Userboxes

Is there any page where users can post the new userboxes they create? I just made this, but I don't know where to store it.

 Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:55, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Miss Bono, I have moved your User:Miss_Bono/sandbox4 to User:Miss_Bono/Userboxes/iPod U2 edition. You may tag User:Miss_Bono/sandbox4 for WP:CSD#U1 or just blank the page. I suggest that the best place to advertise your userbox might be somewhere in the U2 WikiProject area (User:Moxy might have a suggestion as to where it can go in there). It may also be useful to add it to any list or category of userboxes you may find for people with iPods. Technical 13 (talk) 15:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Great Answer Again

How can I add to my Teahouse Host Profile my new badge for great answer?  Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Miss Bono. I believe you would go to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host landing#Miss Bono, click edit next to your name and then in the field for the |description=, add sometheing about this – maybe words to the effect: "I am proud to have received a great answer badge for my work at the [[WP:TH/Q|Teahouse question forum]]!" Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Miss Bono, you go to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host landing#Miss Bono, click edit next to your name and then set |answer=yes Technical 13 (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

School articles

I do understand that in schools, it is common etiquette to politely greet the teachers by adding "Ms./Mrs./Mr./Mdm./etc." to the front of their name. The same applies for any other formal place or event, right? But I note that we have never addressed subjects in our articles as "Mr./Mrs." something, instead just referring to them by their name. That is, after all, encyclopedic fashion. So, is it the same for school articles? When talking about a school's principal, vice-principal, staff, etc., should we drop the fancy honorifics? Is there any policy/essay on this matter? Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

What, do you not think there's such an essay, or do you not think we should drop the honorifics? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

not dropping the honorifics :) Sorry for being late...lol...  Miss Bono (zootalk) 14:00, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The relevent part of the MOS is WP:LASTNAME (see also WP:HONORIFIC). Basically, we don't use honorifics except in very specific cases - schoolteachers are not one of those cases. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot. Got lots of schoolteacher honorifics to remove now... Let's get crackin. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Yes, Yes, and WP:MOS - WP:LASTNAME - WP:HONORIFIC Technical 13 (talk) 13:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Changing username to signature

How do I change my username to my signature in an edit that I have submitted? JC-QPCS (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi JC-QPCS. As far as edits to articles are concerned, you can't (and there's no need to do so anyway). You can make your signature appear on talkpages (such as this one) by adding four tildes (~~~~), as you have done above. You can change the appearance of your signature on such pages in your preferences. If you'd like to change your username altogether, you can do so at this page - such an action might be advisable, since your current username sort of skirts the boundaries of what's acceptable under the username policy; we don't generally allow usernames that represent organisations, even by initials. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I need to contact an administrator regarding my username. The email contacts given on this website are not working for me 'unknown address'. Is there another way I can contact an administrator?

JCinfo 09:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You're talking to an admin now - but what you really need is a bureaucrat, and I'm not one, I'm afraid. The best person to contact would be MBisanz (leave him a message here) - he's the 'crat who effected your username change, and is also highly experienced in username changes and the related policies. I'd suggest dropping him a line. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

for cullen328 (please ignore my last question)

(embarrassed again) As I was leaving the page after asking where to find your answer, i saw my question in the right hand column,clicked on it and found your answer . . . thanks for your answer, I appreciate it. (navigation around here is not really that transparent (to me, anyway).... thanks again akhoohaAkhooha (talk) 05:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

It's okay. :D --Ushau97 (talk) 09:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

how do i see tearoom answers? (for cullen328)

Hi Cullen328, Got a message that you had answered my question about photos in the Teahouse. This is embarrassing, but I've been back to the Teahouse and can't figure out how to find your answer (also looked on your talk page) ---- where do I look for your answer? akhoohaAkhooha (talk) 05:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Your question has been answered below at the section How to upload photo to article?. Click #How to upload photo to article? if you want to go there directly. --Ushau97 (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

photos of paintings I personally own

I suspect it's a topic covered many times before, so just point me in the right direction...

I personally own some original paintings by Gene Davis (1920-1985). Thus, he hasn't been dead 50 or 80 years, and the paintings are not 100 years old or before 1923, etc. Prints/posters of these paintings are available for sale, though -- interesting.

May I put high-resolution photos, photos I personally have taken, into the Wikimedia Commons? I assume the copyright I'm relinquishing is that of the photos, not of the paintings themselves. I also assume that doing this may curtail my own ability to "sell" photos/posters of these paintings, but I'm fine with that.

Point me -- ResearcherQ (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome ResearcherQ! To answer your question as simply as possible; No. See Derivative work for a bit of an overview, but simply put, reproductions of a work do not revoke the copyright on a work, and ownership of a physical copy of the work does not make you the copyright owner. Indeed, that's what copyright means: the right to make a copy of a work. You don't own that right, the painter (or his designated survivor since he is dead) does. When you make a copy of an original work, one of two things can happen:

• If you make a faithful reproduction of the original, you create no new copyright of your own, that's because U.S. law recognizes the Threshold of originality in creating works: if you do nothing original, you create no new copyright. Some countries recognize the sweat of the brow doctrine, which holds that mere effort is enough to create copyright, U.S. law does not, however. So, your photograph of the painting would only have one copyright holder, and it isn't you. It's whoever holds the copyright on the original work. Since you don't own that copyright, you can't upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
• If you creatively modify the original work (even something as simple as this) you generate a new copyright on the copy you made, but the new copyright does not invalidate the old one, you merely now have created a new work which is dually copyright: to both yourself and the original copyright holder. Wikimedia Commons can still not accept this because both of you would need to grant permission.

I hope that helps. --Jayron32 01:33, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarity and succinctness (hoping my question was similarly succinct). I also own paintings that are more than 100 years old, where their painter has been dead more than 80 years. The above rules don't apply, as I understand my reading, right? Thanks in advance -- ResearcherQ (talk) 01:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You're good, and I can't predict the outcomes of my questions (despite really trying), so let me capture what I have...

• First condition: I own the painting, I took the photo, painter is dead 28 years, painting is young. Are there written permissions I might obtain from the estate (the presumed copyright holder) that will allow me to freely upload?
• Second condition: I own a 100+ year old painting, I took its photo, painter is dead 80+ years. Free to go, right?
• New condition: I own a painting, I took its photo, the painter is alive, the painting is young, the subject of the painting is a famous person dead 50+ years. What written permissions do I need -- the painter only?

Thanks in advance -- ResearcherQ (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

These are good questions, but you'd do better to ask questions in the specific at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions which is staffed by volunteers who specialize in answering exactly these kinds of questions. --Jayron32 03:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

• First condition - If the estate is the copyright holder, yes. The permissions remain the same as the last question.
• Second condition: I am not sure. You may want to ask someone who knows the exact year the painting goes/went into the public domain. As Jayron said, Wikipedia:Media copyright questions would be a good place to ask.
• New condition - Yes. In short, the painter must grant permission for anyone to use,copy, modify, and sell it. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

These are all great answers. As a painter myself, I sell the object, not the right to reproduce (and benefit from) the image. Somehow I can't imagine the copyright holder will want a high resolution, freely available image uploaded to Wikimedia, particularly considering Davis was a well-known artist! Sionk (talk) 13:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to all -- I've headed over to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions with these -- ResearcherQ (talk) 15:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

keep in mind that pre-1978 works, without a copyright notice on painting, could be Public Domain. see [1]. Slowking4^{Farmbrough's revenge}⇔ †@1₭ 18:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

In addition to what Slowking4 posted, in America prior to 1978, if the only physical embodiment of the work was transferred and there was not a written agreement to the contrary, then the copyright was transferred. In other words, if you don't just own a print of a painting, but you own the painting and there are no other copies and you have had it since before 1978, then you are the copyright holder. See Pushman v. New York Graphic Society. (This case was repealed by the Copyright Act of 1976.) --B (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Blog as reference?

Wondering if I can use it for a Wiki page if the blog is full of 3rd party info like video interviews, links to official articles and documentation and such? Superfly94 (talk) 16:09, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Superfly, and welcome to Wikipedia. Generally, blogs are considered as unreliable sources here. Arctic Kangaroo 16:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Superfly 94. I agree with Arctic Kangaroo that a big majority of blogs are not considered reliable sources. They are self published and lack professional editing and fact checking. One exception is a blog by a professional journalist that has editorial oversight and fact checking. Such a blog can be considered an online extension or supplement of the newspaper or magazine. Check carefully and seek the advice of other editors if there is any doubt. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I am skeptical that the blog itself will be considered reliable enough by the majority of editors on Wikipedia; however, you say it is full of links to official articles and documentation and I would wager to say that some of those things may be reliable enough. Technical 13 (talk) 17:45, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I only bring it up because the blog to which I am referring, http://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ has been used extensively in the past for the WMSCOG page but now it isn't. Specifically, I am hoping to use it to discuss any controversies as it has .pdfs of court cases in Korean that have been translated by a translation bureau into English. Superfly94 (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You could always link to the pdf. Blogs in general, not a good thing as far as veracity and reliabilityCoal town guy (talk) 18:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

What Am I doing wrong?

Hi, I am trying to create a page and after the last edit and after I tried to change and remove some references, what I had been asked for-still no success. What else I can do to emprove it? What Am I doing wrong? Last time I was asked to do:Youtube isn't reliable - please remove these links-did it The Google Image search doesn't help in any kind - remove this also-did it The russian Wikipedia is also unreliable - remove it-did it Headlines should be in lowecase - please fix it-fixed it I'm really not sure, but most gaganews links don't help the reader as these are very short-added new websites Check {{cite web}} and improve the display of the references-did it Check WP:WIKILINK and add some useful links to other articles Overall I give you some useful hints to improve this draft, but without adding any new and bettere references this article won't get accepted. This drafts lacks simply reliable and independent references.-I had added more I got a notice: You did nothing of what was specified.FoCuSandLeArN (talk)......... Please let me know. Thank you very much for your help Aleksandra55 (talk) 03:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Aleksandra55, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is difficult for me to evaluate your draft article since the sources are in Russian, which I can't read. Let me emphasize that high quality Russian sources are acceptable, such as respected, reliable newspapers and magazines. Other editors may be skeptical of notability because the topic is a young, upcoming singer. So, I recommend that you identify three or four of the very best sources. The rock solid sources like the New York Times or the London Times. Translate the references into English even if the content is in Russian. Invite the reviewers to take a look at those, using Google Translate. If those publications have Wikipedia articles, wikilink to those. Give other editors solid evidence that this person is notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for getting back to me> I will add material from famous in Ukraine newspapers. Thanks again.

the isra and miraj

how did allah teach the prophet ?41.118.227.218 (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

no respond41.118.227.218 (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. This page deals with questions regarding the use of Wikipedia. For knowledge questions like this, you should use the reference desk. Since your question deals with religion, you want the humanities section. For your convenience, here is a link to post a new question. Regards, FrigidNinja 22:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey there :) This is more for help editing Wikipedia, if you have specific questions regarding something else, feel free to ask at our reference desk. gwickwire^talk_editing 22:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Using Redirects

Hello, I would like to redirect the searches for "Made in USA" to the new article "Made in USA Brand Certification Mark." However that is self-promoting; and there is already a redirect page titled "Made in USA label" that redirects to the article "Made in USA." My goal is to help readers find Made in USA Brand Certification Mark, which is a Made in USA label. Is a redirect a reasonable option? How to I go about it, because it appears double redirects are prohibited and my ideal redirect "Made in USA label" is already taken. Thank you.AndreaAufden (talk) 20:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AndreaAuden. I think the best thing to do is add a link in Made in USA (disambiguation). Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Coding is annoying

I have a little problem with some references code here. I'd appreciate any help.  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed; you forgot to close one of your cite template/ref tags. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:26, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks friend..as always :D  Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey it's Sarah I'm testing this out for some students in New MExico!!

How do I edit Wikipedia? I'm so confusseddd!! How do I get Museum on Wikipedia? Awaaaahhhh SarahStierch (talk) 17:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, be happy! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:51, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Inside joke? Technical 13 (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

No, she's probably just really testing this out for some students in New Mexico, and I'm just mildly trolling her. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

• Hello Sarah, and welcome to the Teahouse!

To edit Wikipedia, simply click on the edit button at the top right of any page that you want to edit. Make any necessary changes, and save the page. Please know that anyone can edit Wikipedia, and if your edits are not very helpful, they might be reverted by other editors!

Were you looking for this article - Museum?

I hope this helped clear your confusion. Feel free to ask again if you have any further confusions.

Happy editing,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello SarahStierch, and welcome back to the Teahouse. We've missed you. How many cities and countries have you visited recently, and how many frequent flyer miles have you accumulated? If you name a specific museum, perhaps some of the Teahouse regulars can help by finding significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. That is what we need to show that a museum is notable by Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for helping to improve this encyclopedia, and enjoy Santa Fe. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The word 'Museum' is now hyperlinked. RCNesland (talk) 00:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

<3 thanks guys :) i was so busy showing off the Teahouse to some students I forgot to remove my "question" glad it became a source of entertainment :) SarahStierch (talk) 02:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Sarah, perhaps you might want to consider expanding the article Jet set. Just be sure to avoid original research as colorful personal anecdotes, while delightful on Facebook, are not considered encyclopedic content. Have fun tonight! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

• Or perhaps souvenir would be a good object of your attentions... or object for your pocket. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:20, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

How do dispute a merge?

An article (OK, this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Speeds ) has been marked as suggested merge. I don't believe it should as the song is notable both in terms of chart success (top 10 in NZ) and critical acclaim (voted one of best NZ songs of all time by musicians). How do I address this?

Vickytnz (talk) 16:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Go to the talk page of that article and write your opinion or ask the user who posted that merge to the article. Hope this helps.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 16:56, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

(ec) No Pratyya Ghosh, that is not the correct procedure. Merge discussions always happen on the target article's Talk page.

There is a "Discuss" link on the Merge proposal template, you click on it and post your objection on the talk that will open. If there is no existing discussiuon of the merge, you should start it as a new section. BTW I've added the missing "merge from" template - merge templates must be posted on both of the involved articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, will do.

Vickytnz (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Ref tag?

Can anyone please find the ref problem of User:Pratyya Ghosh? If anyone kind find that and also fix that remind me.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 11:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed the problem of your missing {{reflist}}; there was a help link in the error message on your version to explain the problem. There is apparently a further problem in your reference, but I'll leave you to tackle that separately. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I see that your troublesome reference has now disappeared altogether. Was it something buried in one of the countless files which you've transcluded onto your user page? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It's fixed.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 15:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Notability for films/movies/documentaries ?

Hello dear Wikihosts !

I would like to ask the long time and experiences users over here on Wiki to help me get rid of this question ? The question is very simple but includes a vast subject. Does every film/movie/documentary (regardless of the language, country, length,language) has the criteria of notability when it is atleast reviewed by one critics or magazines ? Ghorpaapi (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ghorpaapi. WP:MOVIE explains notability guidelines for movies in depth; it also offers as a rule of thumb: "The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics" (my emphasis.) Keri (talk) 10:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

University newspapers

Can articles written in university newspapers be used as a reference? Superfly94 (talk) 05:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

University newspapers can be used to support factual statements. University newspapers can support notability so long as the topic is not connected with the university, or a conflict of interest applies. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I think there's more to it than Stuartyeates has said: he has addressed the topic of independence, which is required for most sources, but not the question of reliability. If you mean organs published officially by a university, they probably will be regarded as reliable; but student-run papers may not be. (I'm sure that there are some student papers with a very good reputation for reliability, but many are not so regarded). Reliability of sources is sometimes hard to determine, and may depend on what claims they are being used to support: the reliable sources noticeboard is the place to ask about specific cases. --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

How to make jerseys like the ones on football (soccer) pages ? for example in Chelsea F.C.

How to make jerseys like the ones on football (soccer) pages ? for example in Chelsea F.C. Longojahado (talk) 02:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You may used this codes for creating t shirt image. You may used the exact hue and color using hex format. Example in Chelsea:

Pattern in 1st set:
|pattern_la1 = _chelsea1213h
|pattern_b1 = _chelsea1213h
|pattern_ra1 = _chelsea1213h
|pattern_sh1 = _millonarios11a
|pattern_so1 = _grash0607h

Colors for 1st set in hex:
|leftarm1 = 0000FF
|body1 = 0000FF
|rightarm1= 0000FF
|shorts1 = 0000FF
|socks1 = FFFFFF

Pattern in 2nd set:
|pattern_la2 = _chelsea1213a
|pattern_b2 = _chelsea1213a
|pattern_ra2 = _chelsea1213a
|pattern_sh2 = _chelsea1213a
|pattern_so2 = _chelsea1213a

Colors for 2nd set in hex:
|leftarm2 = FFFFFF
|body2 = FFFFFF
|rightarm2 = FFFFFF
|shorts2 = FFFFFF
|socks2 = 0E1425

Pattern in 3rd set:
|pattern_la3 = _chelsea1213t
|pattern_b3 = _chelsea1213t
|pattern_ra3 = _chelsea1213t
|pattern_sh3 =_asse1011t
|pattern_so3 =_color_3_stripes_yellow

Colors for 3rd set in hex:
|leftarm3 = 000000
|body3 = 000000
|rightarm3 = 000000
|shorts3 = 000000
|socks3 = 000000

Hope this may help :) Jrplaza (talk) 08:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Longojahado, welcome to the Teahouse. What Jrplaza has said is correct but you need to know which template to use this information in. If it's an infobox for an article about a soccer club then this code can be used inside the template {{infobox football club}}. If it's free standing image you want, for example in the text of an article about a soccer club then you can use {{Football kit}} to hold the information. An awful lot of club kits are already defined so check out the articles on those clubs and copy the code if you want to use it somewhere else. If you have specific editing questions about the template or a kit that already exists, I'd suggest asking for specialist help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. NtheP (talk) 19:36, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Moving a wikitable to a different part of the same article

In Textile#Production methods there is a table listing the top exporters of textiles. It looks like it's in the wrong place so I thought I would try to reposition it but when I looked at the result of my work it was a mess; I clicked on cancel. Could someone please have a look and see if they can move it successfully and let me know how it's done. (I really think it should be in another article as I wrote on the talk page of Textile, what do you think?). Jodosma (talk) 00:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You can move the wikitable, as long as you move everything from the opening {| to the closing |}, which looks like the code in the collapsed section below.

Wikitable code

{| class="wikitable" style="float:left; margin:1em;"
|-
! colspan=2| '''Top ten exporters of textiles—2008'''<br><small>($ billion)</small>
|-
| {{EU}} || style="text-align:right;"|  80.2
|-
| {{PRC}}|| style="text-align:right;"|   65.3
|-
| {{USA}} || style="text-align:right;"|  12.5
|-
| {{KOR}} || style="text-align:right;"|  10.4
|-
| {{IND}} || style="text-align:right;"|  10.3
|-
| {{TUR}} || style="text-align:right;"|  9.4
|-
| {{ROC}} || style="text-align:right;"|  9.2
|-
| {{JAP}} || style="text-align:right;"|  7.3
|-
| {{PAK}} || style="text-align:right;"|  7.2
|-
| {{UAE}} || style="text-align:right;"|  5.8
|-
| {{IDN}} || style="text-align:right;"|  3.7
|-
|colspan=2 style="font-size:90%;"|''Source:<ref name=stat>{{cite web|url=http://www.wto.org/english/res_e/statis_e/its2009_e/its09_merch_trade_product_e.pdf |title=Leading exporters and importers of textiles, 2008 |format=PDF |date= |accessdate=2011-12-04}}</ref>
|}

Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 11:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Please help me move this to wikipedia commons?

This picture I took is a candidate to be moved to Wikipedia Commons. I can't even figure out how to add the "lhuman=username" thing to a-okay it. All the copyright info checks out - I took the picture myself and I release it into the public domain. If anyone could help I would appreciate it. Here is the picture in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moodna_viaduct_across.jpg MegaZega93 (talk) 02:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Megazega93, and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that the image in question has already been moved to Wikimedia Commons. This makes the image available for use by anyone, anywhere, including but not limited to other languages of Wikipedia. Thank you for making your image freely available. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Hey MegaZega93. I moved it to the Commons and deleted the local image. If you have a similar issue, you can try following these steps. The template the image was tagged with, {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}} has a little (easily missed) link at the bottom of it that says "Copy to Commons: via CommonsHelper". If you clicked on it you would then be using this tool, except by clicking on it from the image rather than just following the link for the tool I posted it would pre-fill-in the image name and other specifics. All you then need to do is click the button "get text" and it will do almost everything for you. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much everyone for all of your help! I really appreciate it.

MegaZega93 (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia entry

As a college student I have been assigned to enter a paragraph I wrote by one of my professors, but I don't really know how. I am old and tech. challenged. Slemoine2011 (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, the way to do that is to click the "edit" link to the right of the section you wish to edit, and then either type or paste your paragraph into the "edit window".--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:32, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Slemoine2011. I suggest before you do anything else you take a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial. This should not only introduce you to some of your key policies, but teach you the basics of editing. One of the most important aspects of editing is to cite your sources—something anyone in in college should already be familiar with, though doing so here presents it's own challenges. A beginners guide to citing sources can be found at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. This is so readers can verify the information people add is reflected in published reliable sources. Some other key policies are that Wikipedia content should be written from a neutral point of view and you should avoid original research (encyclopedia articles are not the place for announcing new things, but should summarize previously published knowledge). Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

How do I use this script?

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, and I was hoping to start using the Recent Change Patroller, but I know nothing about using scripts... so I don't know how to make it work. I tried pasting importScript('User:TheJosh/Scripts/RecentChangesPatrol.js'); in my skin area (is that what it's called?) but I don't think anything happened, and I made sure that I'd bypassed my cache. Can anyone give my completely computer-illiterate self some advice? Thanks. Dignifiedrice (talk) 14:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dignifiedrice, welcome to Wikipedia. Actually, there is a very useful tool, Twinkle, which you can use to revert vandalism, request page protection and report vandals etc. Full documentation is here. To enable Twinkle, click Preferences in the top right hand corner of your screen. Then, from the menu, pick Gadgets. Scroll down and under the "Browsing" section, check the box beside Twinkle. You are done. But to use Twinkle, you need to be autoconfirmed if I'm not wrong, which means you need to be registered for 4 days already and made 10 edits. Before you do any recent changes patrolling, I also suggest you read WP:VANDALISM first. Cheers and happy editing. :)
Arctic Kangaroo 15:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm going to be published?

I've completed an entry in my Sandbox, and I requested that it be made into a page. But it's been two days, and I haven't heard anything. What's more, when I look at "Contributions", the most recent activity has this piece of text in it:

Request review at Leonard of Mayfair (Leonard Lewis) WP:AFC: new section) (current)

What does this mean?

Thank you! Charlotte.bailey (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Charlotte. Your sandbox content is virtually identical to the page at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Leonard of Mayfair, created by User:DesignerJumble last year (you should be aware, if this was your own previous account, that multiple accounts are not permitted) I've moved your sandbox to that page, added a submission template, and merged the history of the two pages. You can continue to work on the submission, but it may take several days, even weeks, before it is reviewed; the AFC process currently has over 700 articles in its queue. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

Thank you so much for your help! (Also, just FYI—I don't have multiple accounts. The user from the previous submission was my partner - she quit mid-project and wouldn't give me her password). Thank you!

Charlotte.bailey (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Everything's as it should be, then - the page history attributes her text correctly, and there's no issue with multiple accounts. Now it's just a waiting game, I'm afraid. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I've marked the article as being reviewed and am now waiting on you Charlotte to clean out the double article.  ;) Technical 13 (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing a draft by experts

Thank you for your time in reading this. I would like to know whether there is process to get feedback or review of a drafted article by existing expert users of Wikipedia before actually submitting the article to the Article Space. Getting feedback on the article about whether all references are placed okay, formatting is okay etc. from experts would be incredibly helpful. Thank you. Arman Khossain (talk) 10:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, there is! Copy and paste {{subst:Submit}} to the top of your article and someone will review your article. Be advised as there has been a backlog of submissions at our "Articles for Creation" WikiProject it may be a couple of weeks before your article is looked at. If this concept of peer reviewed articles interests you, you may also consider using the article wizard to create future articles. Technical 13 (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter, that's exactly what I was looking for. After checking that in my preferences it works perfectly. Now I think we need to report this to whoever in control of the email notifications unless I'm the only one who thinks this:

"There will be no other notifications in case of further activity unless you visit this page. You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watchlist.

Your friendly Wikipedia notification system"

Should be changed to this:

"There will be no other notifications in case of further activity unless you visit this page. You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watchlist by checking "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and clicking the "Mark all pages visited" button on your watchlist.

Your friendly Wikipedia notification system"

That should prevent anyone new from being in my position again. Matt (talk) 22:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

How to "reset notification flags"

I am starting to build a watch list, and am getting this message in every email from wikipedia

"There will be no other notifications in case of further activity unless you visit this page. You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watch list."

The second sentence is what I don't understand. After searching for a while I could not find any info about how to remove notification flags or what a notification flag even is. I would like to not have to worry about accidentally missing an email and after that never receiving notifications again from the page unless I visit it. If I could I would even turn this whole system off and just receive an email every time even if I don't check the actual page, at least while my list is small or for certain pages. Can someone explain this system in more detail? Thank you. Matt (talk) 22:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

That has to do with the section titled "Email options" on your Special:Preferences. There are four checkboxes:

• Enable email from other users
• Send me copies of emails I send to other users
• Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed
• Email me when my user talk page is changed

Unchecking all of those options will remove all email notifications. The system is set up so that it will only send one email notification for a change on any one page until you have visited the page. That will not prevent the list on Special:Watchlist from offering you every change to every page on your watchlist. Not sure if that answers your question, but if not, I'd be happy to elaborate more and try and find you some resources to read on how it works. Technical 13 (talk) 22:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but my main question is how exactly do I "reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watch list" which wikipedia seems to be suggesting I can do instead of actually checking the page Matt (talk) 01:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Matt, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure but it may refer to a watchlist button which has been removed from the English Wikipedia.[2] The button was also associated with another feature which was unpopular. It appears the connection to email notifications was not known in the discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter. But this is really unfortunate. I plan on growing my watchlist and I can see myself forgetting to click the link on an email at least once. After that I will cease to receive emails about updates to that page, and I won't even know what I'm missing unless I systematically check up on each of my pages to make sure I didn't miss an email. Is there anything I can do? If not I think they should bring the feature back. 69.112.29.184 (talk) 02:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I think your best bet is to ask at WP:Village pump/technical. --ColinFine (talk) 08:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Interesting stuff there Prime. I know that currently one of the sites gadgets will let you turn on bolding for unread items, and I have a "mark all items as read" style button on my watchlist. It was likely something they were messing with and at very worst they've moved stuff around and made a little mess although all the pieces are still there. I'll have to read up on it more and see if I can submit a Bugzilla report to clean up and clarify it. Someone else on WP:VPT may have more answers as well, and if the OP doesn't ask there I may ask for some clarification there as well. Technical 13 (talk) 11:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

You refer to "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. This uses MediaWiki:Gadget-WatchlistChangesBold.css to turn back on the watchlist-resetbutton which was removed by default for the English Wikipedia in the diff I posted above. I guess the mail notification refers to this button but I haven't tested it. The button says "Mark all pages visited". Other Wikipedia languages still have it by default, for example Simple English at http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter! Changing that setting was exactly what I needed, and now it works perfectly.

However, the email I keep getting needs to be fixed. It still says:

"There will be no other notifications in case of further activity unless you visit this page. You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watchlist.

Your friendly Wikipedia notification system"

This is unclear, and I'm sure other new users run into the same problem as me if they actually read the email. I think that it should say:

"There will be no other notifications in case of further activity unless you visit this page. You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages on your watchlist [by activating the "Display pages on your watchlist that have changed since your last visit in bold" feature in your preferences and clicking the "Mark all pages visited" button on your watch list].

Your friendly Wikipedia notification system" Matt (talk) 23:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Letting off steam

If someone (an editor, what else?) gets your goat (I'm angry), is there anywhere on the Wiki that you can go to vent your spleen (to avoid an edit war or some other kind of confrontation? (I'm angry).Jodosma (talk) 18:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jodosma. Check out WP:CALM. Keri (talk) 18:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I look at this. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so very much Keri. I was about to dump Wiki but now I'm going to stay on, I think you may have just saved my sanity.Jodosma (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Keri (talk) 18:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I like to read WP:LAME to put everything in to perspective. Livewireo (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I just call Comcast snd then whatever is bugging me on Wikipedia pales into insignificance...--ukexpat (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

/*Format new picture upload*/

Hi all, I give suggestion how format for new picture in edit an article and where places.Ask suggestion me,yea !FarizMadridista (talk) 12:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC).

/*Football Picture*/

Hello all,I like football,I want add picture such as stadium,players,matches,and many other.I curious where web suitable by Wikimedia Commons ?.FarizMadridista (talk) 16:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC) User:FarizMadridista (User talk:FarizMadridista) 16:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC).

"Cite" doesn't work (started yesterday)

When I'm editing and select "Cite", I get the "Templates" pulldown. If I choose anything, like "cite web" -- nothing happens. This is new behavior as of yesterday. Using Win7Pro and IE10. Where should I go for debugging problems like this? Thanks -- ResearcherQ (talk) 00:03, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the question. I would suspect this relates to your browser configuration - have you changed how you allow/disallow javascript? or cookies? Have you changed your preferences??? Hope this give you some ideas on where to look. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 04:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

When I Want to Add an Image it Does Not Recognize the Selected Article

I have an existing article named Stphughes/Town Diary which is in edit mode. When I go to add images to prove authenticity it does not recognize the Town Diary article. Yet the underlying article is there. Can someone help. The images are to be used for citation and authenticity purposes to have the article submitted for review.

Please help

Stephen HughesStphughes (talk) 23:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Stephen. Images do not demonstrate notability on Wikipedia. Your draft article needs references to reliable, independent sources that give significant coverage to the film. There are none now. Normally, we would link to articles in newspapers and magazines covering the film. The draft article mentions awards, but there are no references verifying the awards. The websites of the awards listing winners would help with that. In its current state, the draft article doesn't meet notability standards. I would recommend that you concentrate on that now, and perhaps add an image of a movie poster later. I hope this helps. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Link question

Hello. I am interested in editing the JC Penney article on Wikipeida. I have tried to remove some info,well this is what I am trying to remove- In 1998, JCPenney launched its Internet store, which has since grown into one of the largest apparel and home furnishings retail sites on the Internet.[13] . This statement is near the bottom of the article. My problem is this. I removed the bit about JC Penney having grown into one of the largest apparel and home furnishing retail sites on the Internet since the link number 13 seems dead and goes to a web page named Search dot com. I just wanted to reword it to say In 1998, JCPenney launched its Internet store. I did this because the link seems dead and the link is also 10 years old but I keep getting reverted by user Winkelvi, who says the link works fine. My question to you is can you click link number 13 and see if its a dead link to you as well because I can't understand why I get a dead link and user Winkelvi does not. I am not trying to canvass or get an other editor on my side, but I don't understand why I get a dead link and he doesn't. It is link number 13 in the ref section. Thank you. Becki Green. BeckiGreen (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Becki. The link appears dead to me also. I have marked it with a {{dead link}} template. That way the original information is retained for future reference and someone may be able to find it hosted elsewhere. Keri (talk) 21:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Dead to me to, but found the article elsewhere and have updated the link. NtheP (talk) 21:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

But the linked article [3] says nothing to support the statement. The Internet store isn't mentioned at all. The article does support the first time it's used as reference, but that was for something completely different. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you for your help.BeckiGreen (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

How do you cite a physical newspaper article?

I'd like to cite a physical newspaper article, but I have no idea how.

It's available online, but only in a database that requires a subscription, so it's not easy to link to. Ttowzey (talk) 17:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The easiest way is to use Template:Cite news. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright, got it figured out now, thanks! Ttowzey (talk) 17:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

If you want to use a reference more than once in an article, then when you first specify it you replace the initial <ref> by <ref name="whatever you want to call it">, then in further places where you want to use it you don't need the <ref>{{cite news|.... }}<ref/>, you just use <ref name="whatever you want to call it" />. See Wikipedia:Ref#Repeated citations. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC) This bit is, of course, answering the question which you've subsequently deleted.

I HAVE ABIG PROBLEM

In my talk page. I am not able to see any of my latest messages. I need some help qucikly....  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono. Can you please be more specific. I don't see anything wrong with your talk page. --Ushau97 (talk) 12:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The problem has been solved. It was my mistake, and Miss Bono managed to correct it. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Look, yesterday I login into my account and found an agressive message from an IP telling I was idiot. Today, I login and I found another agressive attack from the same IP this tuime in a userbox, telling I am a lesbian, and TheOriginalSoni tried to delete the userbox. I don't know what else to do. I wasn't screaming...sorry for the capital letters. Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:30, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Glad the problem's resolved. And Miss Bono, always be specific when you ask questions. It will help the hosts to answer your question faster and easily. Cheers :D --Ushau97 (talk) 12:33, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I was desperate  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

FTR Miss Bono, that IP has been temporarily blocked due the the personal attacks on yours and Moxy's pages. Whereas it is a shared IP, that block will eventually be lifted, but you can rest assured that one of your many (talk page stalker)s will take care of any further personal attacks or vandalism on your page. No worries. Hakuna matata. Technical 13 (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Plagiarism of Wikipedia articles

I assume copying text verbatim from other Wikipedia pages would be considered plagiarism, and a quotation would similarly not be possible since Wikipedia is not a reliable source. But what if the copied passages are from your own edits and cite the same secondary sources? If permitted, would this be considered bad form? —Strachkvas (talk) 10:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Strachkvas. Technically, reusing your own text is not a copyvio. However, it's still worth noting that you've reused content from elsewhere in Wikipedia (which is perfectly acceptable, as long as it's properly attributed). The best way to do this is to use the {{copied}} template on the target article's talkpage - fill in the various parameters, and it will supply appropriate attribution for reusing the content of the original article. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

i think i need some tea

I think i need some tea. having a hard time with some recent messages and discussions. (full disclosure: i'm not exactly a new editor though.) thanks. Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Steve, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am sorry that you have had a hard time recently. If you want to keep it private, then please accept my sympathy and warm wishes. Editing Wikipedia isn't always easy, but in my opinion, it is worthwhile. If you want to describe your challenges in more detail, perhaps the Teahouse regulars can offer some helpful advice. In any case, sip your warm tea, relax, and thank you for helping improve the world's greatest free information resource. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Tito Dutta (contact) 04:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

thanks. well yes, I sure could use some help. to start with, could you please visit this section on my talk page? i posted most of the details there. thanks!!!! --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 11:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

/*Articles and Comments Vandals*/

Hello,I want now signs that an aricle and a comment characteristic vandalism. --FarizMadridista (talk) 09:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC)User:FarizMadridsta (User talk:FarizMadridista) 09:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC).

Welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to try asking that again in English, or otherwise you may be happier at a Wikipedia in your native language. You'll find the languages listed at http://www.wikipedia.org/ . - David Biddulph (talk) 10:36, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm from Indonesian,I have many contribution in Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia, but i also like Wikipedia English Language.--FarizMadridista (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2013 (UTC)FarizMadridista (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Semi Protection Request

Hello. Could someone please tell me how to add or how to ask an administrator to add this icon: {{pp-semi-blp}} on an article please, to prevent vandalism? Thanks a lot. Have a nice day. Maxcat000 (talk) 03:50, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello maxcat,

The easiest way to get a page protection is by a direct request at Requests for page protection.

If you have twinkle enabled, you can also hover over the TW on the top right at that page, and select RPP, and fill the pop up.

Hope this helped.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 03:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Maxcat000. I've taken a look at Trevor Moore (which is the page you wanted to be protected I think), and it doesn't look like it needs to be protected at the moment. We only protect pages to stop very heavy and ongoing vandalism (or any other sort of disruptive editing), which is not the case here. On the technical aspect of things, simply adding the icon to the page doesn't protect it as the icon is only an indication that the page has been protected. The actual protection has to be applied by an admin separately. Chamal ^T•C 04:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you so much for the fast replies guys they've been really helpful you are right that's the article I was trying to protect. The thing is that sometimes some people create new accounts just to add crazy stuff to the article and this situation has resulted in different occasions on bot's tagging. Hopefully they'll give it a rest. I appreciate your time and your knowledge, best regards. Maxcat000 (talk) 05:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

trying to post a serious contribution to evolutionary psychology page

Hey! I'm new here, and have an article that I've been working on for a while. I would love to get some feedback before I try to repost it (I was confused on going "live" and so now it is moved into the incubator). Thank you in advance, I look forward to hearing any and all suggestions.

Here is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Incubator/Evolution_and_Culture

Jhicks0207 (talk) 03:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Look at the Talk page for the article atWikipedia talk:Article Incubator/Evolution and Culture. The article was nominated for deletion, but the result was to move it to the Article Incubator so it could be merged into other articles. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evolution and Culture. So that's your next step. Good luck. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Note: It looks like there's a discussion of this issue already going on at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Spam attack on Evolutionary psychology. It is best to keep discussions all in one place. Teahouse contributors who would like to help out in solving the OPs problems could probably pitch in there. --Jayron32 04:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, thank you Jayron Jhicks0207 (talk) 04:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

A problem with nesting a table inside an #ifeq

I'm trying to put a table inside an #ifeq, and I never get what I expect.

I'm trying to print a table based on a conditional; the condition works fine, but when I embed the table I always get a brace instead of the table.

I put it up on my User:Alexthepuffin/sandbox.

Got some guidance?

Alexthepuffin (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey alex,

The problem is that tables contain |, which is also used in the #ifeq, thus causing a confusion to the parser which | belongs to which. I've managed to get past this problem by creating another template, which will be walled on the condition being fulfilled.

Hope this helped. Feel free to ask me again, if you have a problem

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I think, maybe, this can be fixed directly using {{!}}. See mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#Escaping pipe characters in tables. Thus:

{{#ifeq: 0 | 1
| Nothing
| {{{!}} 
{{!}} 1 
{{!}} 2 
{{!}}}
|}}

Certainly not my area of expertise, so I suggest the above tentatively.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

The above suggestion seems to work. You might want to use that, if you wish to do so without creating a new template. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

In order to put a table inside of a transclusion call through a parser function or another template, you need to use {{(!}}, {{!-}}, {{!}}, and {{-)}} respectively for "{|", "|-", "|", and "|}" Technical 13 (talk) 21:57, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that's great. Thank you!

Alexthepuffin (talk) 22:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Problem with ref name: uses only first reference

Hi, I just wrote an article on a new species of sea squirt. The following section contains two references, Dalby1997 and Rius&Teske2011, but in the text, these all appear as [1] and the second one doesn't appear in the reference list. Can anybody spot the error? Thanks, Peter

This species has been found in several localities in Victoria, south-eastern Australia, and in a single locality in Western Australia (Albany harbour). Unlike other species of cunjevoi in temperate Australasia, P. dalbyi has been found almost exclusively subtidally.

Description

Pyura dalbyi has a yellow, sand-free tunic, a highly conspicuous features that readily distinguishes it from other species of cunjevoi in temperate Australasia. Internally, the shape of the dorsal tubercle is one of the most conspicuous characteristics, as it is quite irregular when compared to the cone-like dorsal tubercle found in its congeners P. praeputialis and P. stolonifera. This is especially evident in smaller individuals of P. dalbyi. While the sponge-like shape of the dorsal tubercle in P. herdmani can be quite similar to that of P. dalbyi, it lacks the two distinct bulges of the latter. The double row of gonadic blocks on the left side of the body inside the gut is a unique character of this species, as are its long siphonal spines, which in other cunjevois are shorter or less pointy. Pyura dalbyi lacks endocarps on top of the gonads and gut, which is uncommon in this group.

Tesk0002 (talk) 21:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• Hello Peter,

You used <ref name "Name"> instead of <ref name = "Name">. This gave all references a default name of "name".

I have fixed it.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

About Geographical editing again

After I do an edit that adds geographical coordinates do i need to cite anything for putting them their since it essentially cites itself? Also would it be allowed for me to take it off of the list of articles needing coordinates after i put the coordinates their or will it do it automatically or what? Thanks in advance!

Shashenka (talk) 19:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, Shashenka. There is periodically a certain amount of debate in various WP venues about the necessity or non-necessity of sources for geographical coordinates. The usual conclusion is that if the feature in question is clearly identifiable or labeled on one or more of the map resources available on the GeoHack page (the page you're taken to when you click on the coordinates in the article), then no source is needed. Of course, if a citable source exists, it's useful to cite it; and some of the GeoHack resources are more reliable than others (I frequently use the ACME Mapper topo view for locations in the United States, OS maps for locations in Great Britain, and Topomapper for locations elsewhere; GeoNames, on the other hand, seems to contain a good deal of unreliable information). As for your second question, when you add coordinates to an article that is in one of the categories of articles needing coordinates, you have to delete the {{coord missing}} template in the article by hand to remove it from the category. Deor (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)