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July 1

WP Crash

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Where would I find information about what caused the site to be down between 18:23 and 19:30 (Eastern Daylight Savings Time) today? // BL \\ (talk) 23:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

At WP:VPT, of course. Specifically, WP:VPT#(Cannot contact the database server: Unknown error (10.0.6.24)). The server admin log can also be useful, as can #wikimedia-tech ^connect. Algebraist 00:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

While I am not sure what you intended by "of course" in that if it had been "of course" for me, I wouldn't have needed to ask, but . . . I am grateful for the information. Thank you. // BL \\ (talk) 00:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

By the 'of course', I meant that there is a note at the top of the page saying that these questions should go to VPT. Since that note is long gone (if it ever existed outside my head), consider it unsaid. Algebraist 00:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

"File Download - Security Warning"

Please help

Frequently, when clicking on a subject in Wikipedia or a link to Wikipedia, I get a

"File Download - Security Warning"

"Do you want to save this file, or find a program online to open it?"

I using Windows XP SP3 & the latest version of Internet Explorer 8. Rcj007 (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you clicking Wikipedia internal links or external links? You may have even clicked a PDF. Where exactly is this happening? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 00:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

you could have spyware or a rogue addon in IE trying to install an active X control. try resetting it through the tools/internet options/advanced. There is nothing on wikipedia to download. Ivtv (talk) 01:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC) ^^i was logged out. logging in and editing with correct sig

Image Map

How can I move an image map? Here's an example...

{{#tag:imagemap|
File:Example.JPG{{!}}70px
default [http://www.example.org]
desc none
}}

Where can I specify a location? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 00:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I have not worked with imagemaps, but you should read mw:Extension:ImageMap. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 00:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Your link missed an "m" before the "w", now added; hope that's ok. Bencherlite^Talk 01:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Add an Image

How do I upload and then add an image into a Wikipedia article? Zhouf12 (talk) 01:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Image. Algebraist 01:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Make sure it's your own work, or someone else's in the public domain. Click 'Upload a file' (or do it in the commons) and fill in all the spaces they want you to fill. In the article, add [[File:Your Image Here.png]] and there you go. Concise, huh? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 04:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Tor Issues

Hi

I recently started hosting a Tor node. When I to edit a page, I discovered that since my IP was on the Tor network, I couldn't edit, even though I have an account. I tried disabling Tor, but that didn't work. I had to reboot my router to get an new IP address to post this question. Why is this (I understand why Tor is blocked, but why does it affect me?) and is there a way to fix it? Samuell Lift me up or put me down 01:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

An exit node is an open proxy and thus all Wikipedia traffic coming from it, including yours, is blocked. To get around this block, you can request an proxy block exemption. Xenon54 (talk) 02:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Is an article consisting mostly of links acceptable?

There already exists a basic, but largely inaccurate, article about an organization. I'm associated with the organization and would like to improve things but don't see that copying information that already exists on the organizations web site is very efficient especially since changes would have to be made in 2 places.

I would like to replace the current article with a few words or a sentence for the major topics with a link to the associated information on the organization's web site.

Is this acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.212.28.183 (talk) 02:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

No that would be a backwards step. Because of your conflict of interest you should go to the article's talk page and discuss there the changes that you think should be made, with reliable sources (and that does not include the subject's website). – ukexpat (talk) 02:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Could you provide the name of the article or a link to it? I can check it out. hmwithτ 14:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a wiki page for American Gold Star Mothers but it is linked to another wiki page for Gold Star Mothers Club. The Gold Star Mothers Club page describes AGSM. As far as we know there is no GSMC and never has been. The organization's name is American Gold Star Mothers, Inc and its web site is at http://www.goldstarmoms.com (an admittedly poor choice for a domain name). I maintain the web site, as a volunteer, for AGSM. All the relevant information is there but I don't really want to get into the business of maintaining a large wiki page which for me would be redundant.

I had envisioned an overview paragraph plus a sentence or two about major areas like History, how to join, chapters, some of the events the moms participate in, the annual convention, etc with a link to the appropriate site page for details. That way when the information changes I wouldn't have to also change the wiki page. Any suggestions appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.212.28.183 (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

A lot of what you describe (outside its history, if you have sources not from the organization itself) would be non-encyclopedic content of the sort which we neither need nor want in Wikipedia. In addition, your conflict of interest makes you the worst possible person to edit this article. If you have suggestions for improving the article, as Ukexpat explained, make them on the article's talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Remember, if you area member of an organisation, you probably won't be very neutral, so you'd better ask another editor to do it for you! All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 04:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to all for the feedback and advice. I'm going to enter my compulsory procrastination period now and decide what to do.

Book photos relating to films

If there is a book, and an article for it doesn't exist, and there is a film based on that book, can an image of the book cover go in the infobox for the film? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 08:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Assuming the book and film are non-free, then probably not. A theatrical poster is normally acceptable, per WP:NFC. decltype (talk) 08:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I would have thought not, even if the image is free. Surely the picture needs to be connected with the film - either a poster or a scene. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the poster thing. Yeah, I guess I'll delete it then, keep you posted ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 09:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Given how badly most films misrepresent the book, I would reject this idea. The film is not the book and vice versa; and there is no way you could stretch fair use that far. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

UBX columns

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 – By Chamal N ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 01:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there a template I can use to divide my userboxes up into columns? Not {{userboxtop}}/{{userboxbottom}}. Thank You! ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 09:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

You can just use a table. Check out my userbox page if you want an example. Chamal ^talk 10:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Try {{column}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Chamal N, works great (see my userpage) but for some reason, the userboxes I created interfere with it, hmmm... I'm gonna have to have a look at them ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 00:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Figured it out, for some reason I had <div style="clear:both"></div> in there for some reason, Thank you Chamal N and Gadget850! ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 01:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Managing global account

I had an unconfirmed account with my name remained on 1 project (wikipedia pl.) The username "Arteyu" for that language isn't mine and I do not know the password. I had checked "Arteyu" contribution on Wikipedia poland and it states that the user had only made one edit (years ago). I want to own this username for that poland language, but the problem is how could I possibly do that? Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 10:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, you will have to Usrup it; see pl:Wikipedia:Przejmowanie nazwy użytkownika. --59.95.103.205 (talk) 10:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't understand that language, lol Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 10:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If you can't understand polish, why do you want an account there? Yeah, I should have read the heading :P Just post your request on the linked page in English. That should be all right. Chamal ^talk 10:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The "Request" section there [1] has English instructions as well. Regards SoWhy 11:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Template problems

As of a couple of hours ago, all templates have become faulty and infoboxes stay on the left, screwing up whole articles. I am running Firefox 3.5 on Vista. This has been fine since forever, and has only developed, like I said, recently. Here are some examples – link, link. I had been editing pages as normal before this randomly happened, thus see no plausible explanation. Thanks for any help. Andre666 (talk) 10:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the problem with Firefox on Vista. Does it help to clear your entire cache? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot! I didn't even need to go as far as clearing the cache, I merely had to bypass it with Shift+F5. Cheers! Andre666 (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

One of the servers was borked for about an hour yesterday. You must have cached some corrupted code for a bit. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

how to edit page in order to add notability and references!

i have created an entry and now i want to add the information to conform with refernce and notability regulations. how can i add this before my entry gets removed?!Wackydoo (talk) 11:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you seem to have this the other way around. The article should have references and indicate the notability of the subject before it is posted. However, you can learn about references from this page and the relevant notability info is on this page. TNXMan 11:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(e/c): :Thanks for asking: you can find guidelines on what constitutes good sources at our "reliable sources" guideline, and details on how to add those references to your article at WP:CITE. Generally speaking, you should be looking for material like newspaper articles, books, journals, and so on, and you add citations by finding the part of your article the reference supports, and adding references in "ref" tags e.g. <ref>Example newspaper report, 1 July 2009</ref> ) into the article itself. The references will display if you add a section at the end of the article, like this:

==References==
{{reflist}}

Does that answer your question? Gonzonoir (talk) 11:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

How Wikipedia Survey is possible?

I'd like to know how to survey Wikipedians in English version specifically. As the researchers in KISDI(Korea information society development institute), we're looking for the possible ways of surveying Wikipedians in English version for our comparative study on cultural factors of contributing to Wikipedia between Korean and English version. I'll appreciate if you let me know.

What exactly are you trying to find out? I doubt you'd be able to do a survey of Wikipedians per se, but Wikipedia:Statistics have statistics about Wikipedia - would that help? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Even though the sample size is very small, you may find this articleabout grumpy Wikipedians interesting. TNXMan 13:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

You may also find User:hmwith/stats interesting (religious and political views of Wikipedians). hmwithτ 14:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) i don't see why it would be a problem to put a survey for English-language Wikipedians on line and ask the English Wikipedia to announce it, encourage participation, etc. i don't know where one would ask for cooperation, though - WP:VP, maybe? Sssoul (talk) 14:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

currior dout

i m an ssc student passed with 67% n i m going 4 commerce i want 2b an fashion designer and an interior designer so can i do them parallelly after 12th —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.143.73.188 (talk) 12:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside involvement on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where the asking of knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

United States Mint

Coins from the United States Mint —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.251.135 (talk) 14:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Coins of the United States dollar? Do you have a question about Wikipedia? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

You didn't ask a question! This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Brett Salisbury was deleted from Wikipedia...

Hi,

I would like you to take Brett Salisbury off the deleted wikipedia site. He was a controversal figure and as I read everything written up to his deletion, there may have been a point I favored with you and the wikipedia staff.

However, to the changes and things he has done, he is more than qualified to be on wikipedia and not a deleted figure that was once on here. He is now teamed up with the legendary Rudy for book two who the movie Rudy was based on. www.TransformDiet. under breaking news.

Hes done to much now to be left off this site. The publicst who represents him who represented Johnny Carson and all U.S. Presidents calls him the next "superstar." His book is selling rapidly and just look under breaking news on his website at www.TransformDiet.com It should say it all. Also the author tab of just what he has done, including top model and starting quarterback for the University of Oregon as well as Wayne State College All American. Again, Thank you Mike Dunbar138.210.42.14 (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

To request that a page be undeleted, please see WP:Deletion review. hmwithτ 14:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Brett Salisbury was deleted after a deletion discussion. If you feel that you can write a neutral, non-promotional article, I suggest creating an account and working on it in a sandbox in your userspace. Be sure to read our tips on writing your first article. TNXMan 15:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Changes to my Official Website

Resolved

 – Please continue at WP:EAR. – ukexpat (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

I am closing the website www.teresamay.com and want my website www.teresamay.org.uk to be shown as the official one, soon the other site will be closed and the link will be a dead one. I edited the page earlier today but it was reveresed. I have changed the links back again. Please do not permit the wensite www.teresamay.com to be shown as my official one as it isn't, we have parted company today. If the link keeps getting reversed I will have to take the appropriate action to protect what is mine. To reiterate the website www.teresamay.com is nolonger authorised to be my official site. If you tell me how to prove I am Teresa May by way of a photo or cuch I will gladly submit what you require

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Gogetemtreez (talk) 15:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Please note that you cannot make legal threats per WP:LEGAL. Anyway, http://www.teresamay.org.uk/ is included as the official website in the article now. Chamal ^talk 15:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

This has been crossposted to WP:EAR, please continue the discussion there. – ukexpat (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requesting creation of an image

Resolved

 – Thanks, I found Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop and put a request there. Bencherlite^Talk 16:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(My turn to ask a question instead of answering!) An editor's suggested that Buildings of Jesus College, Oxford could do with a sketch map to illustrate the layout of the college. Alas, there's no suitable free image, but there are some copyrighted illustrations that show what's needed. Is there a WP group for this sort of image creation request, and if so, where? Bencherlite^Talk 15:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requested pictures. :) Cureden 16:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Does Wikipedia:Requested pictures have what you need? I don't know if they handle sketches, however. TNXMan 16:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Try Graphic Lab/Image workshop--SPhilbrickT 16:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Tracing cross references to an article

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 18:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to trace which articles link back to a specific article in the same way that the Google "links:" function will tell you who links to a specific website? -- redherring (talk) 16:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If you look on the left hand side of a page, under the "toolbox", you should see a link that says "what links here". This will display all of the incoming internal links to a page, including redirects. For example, this page shows all of the pages that link to the help desk.TNXMan 16:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for the rapid and simple answer - I feel a bit embarrassed having asked!! Thanks -- redherring (talk) 16:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

No need to feel embarrassed - I guarantee there are people who have been around for years who just learned that for the first time :)--SPhilbrickT 16:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

"What links here" works by order of the date of creation of the page, not the date of the addition of the link, incidentally. It also works for redlinks (deleted and never created). Bencherlite^Talk 16:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually it's good to feel embarrassed when learning something new. This means your brain is forming a long term memory. When you have no emotional response to some new information, you are much more likely to forget it. --Teratornis (talk) 18:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

And see Help:What links here and the other pages under WP:EIW#Wikilink. --Teratornis (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Recognisable people in images of public places

If I take a photo of, say, a sculpture in a public place and publish it in the public domain what issues, if any, are there around copyright or privacy? It is quite possible that someone in the image may be recognisable and, I suppose, could argue that a picture in which they are recognisable is an invasion of privacy. Or they might claim that their image is their personal property and so they own the copyright and by publishing the image I am infriging that copyright. Would the situation be different if I were to use the images for commercial purposes? -- redherring (talk) 16:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

According to [2], permission is not needed as long as it's been taken in a public area and not in a place where the person has a right to expect privacy. Cureden 16:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

IANAL, but as far as I know, Wikipedia/Wikimedia doesn't care, since our servers are in places where the laws say it's ok. However, depending on where you are, it may be illegal for you; see Panoramafreiheit. -kotra (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

My above comment isn't entirely correct: see Wikipedia:Freedom of panorama. -kotra (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating a page for a client

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 01:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I am a publicist looking to create a wikipedia page for an up and coming actor who is a client. I have spent the better part of an hour figuring out how- what do I do? what do I create a new page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JS2Commpr (talk • contribs) 16:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia cannot be used for promotion of an actor. It also sounds like you have a conflict of interest, which means that you are highly discouraged from writing about the person. You can, however, submit an article to be reviewed at the articles for creation page. Be sure to read our info on writing your first article. TNXMan 17:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, I'm guessing that if they are up and coming, they have little or no on-screen or on-poster credits? Would we find them on IMDB, for example? If they have no experience, then they would not meet the notability criteria (see Wikipedia:Notability). If they don't, then any article created would be quickly deleted! As Tnxman307 says, read the "first article" info, then create a page and ask for it to be reviewed. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 20:05, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:UPANDCOMING as well. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

OOh, I didn't know about that page! Thanks, Orangemike. PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 23:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Obama

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 – For the umpteenth time. – ukexpat (talk) 01:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Why do you not allow any critical text about Obama, yet President Bush has a lot of critical text on here? Also, why are those that post unflattering comments about Obama, even ones backed up by legitimate news reports, removed and the user banned for a period of time? You cannot call yourselves a legitimate information site when you are sanitizing what you deem necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.213.127 (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest looking at the talk page for the article, as many of these issues have been discussed there. If you feel that you can add info that is supported by independent reliable sources, that's the place to suggest it. TNXMan 17:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

This page is for help on using Wikipedia. For content issues, please discuss it on the article talk page or at Wikipedia:Content noticeboard. I'm not involved in any editing of the Obama articles, but you should note that there are a series of articles. For example: if you were inserting any detailed content on Obama's citizenship into the main article, it will probably get reverted as the related content grew large enough for a separate article titlesd Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 17:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Pay particular attention to the rather awkwardly-formatted Talk:Barack Obama/FAQ page. --Teratornis (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, do not address Wikipedia as "you". Wikipedia is not a person; rather, it is some large number of diverse contributors represented by 48,479,623 registered user accounts and a similar number of unregistered users. The users who answer questions on the Help desk are probably not the same users who police the Barack Obama article. The main thing we have in common is our attempt to follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you have not studied Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, I can guarantee that many aspects of Wikipedia's operation will not make sense to you. If you want to make much headway on Wikipedia, particularly if your ambition is to edit one of our controversial articles, your success will be proportional to the effort you invest in learning our rules. While Wikipedia bills itself as "The Free Encyclopedia" (see the slogan in our logo to the top left), when it comes to editing on Wikipedia we are not a welfare state. Instead we are one of the most brutally competitive meritocracies around. --Teratornis (talk) 18:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} returned 9,999,555 when I previewed this and 48,479,623 when this is read. Who will be number 10,000,000? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:ONNTSA. – ukexpat (talk) 18:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I would also suggest you check back with your sources, as somebody seems to have grossly misinformed you about the state of articles about Obama in Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Most frequent editors for a page

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 01:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I figure that it exists, but I haven't seen it. Is there a tool that will show the most frequent editors for a page? I'm not looking for something extremely complicated, just a list of editors from the one with the most edits to the one with the least edits for a single page. -- kainaw™ 18:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Page History Statistics. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Works great. -- kainaw™ 22:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

No need to leave the Wikipedia, you can easily visit this at the Wikipedia by doing Page name > History > Revision history statistics ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 06:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there a noticeboard to ask about possible non-free images?

Is there a noticeboard to ask about possible non-free images? If not, can I ask here how I can request an opinion on File:NBL-logo.jpg? It is tagged with {{PD-USGov-NASA}}. but the NASA logo isn't covered by that. The uploader was assuming that "Individual departments aren't covered by these restrictions the way I read it" (see User talk:RadioFan/Archives/2009/July#Neutral Buoyancy Lab logo). As this looks too complex for either of us, how can I find someone with the expertise to decide? --RexxS (talk) 18:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

There is Wikipedia:Media copyright questions and Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files. Garion96 (talk) 18:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Admin pls deleted this own made file ASAP

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 01:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Please delete this file (created by me) ASAP File:AFC Wimbledon4.svg. Thanks Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 19:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done TNXMan 19:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thats fast! Thanks Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 19:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

In the future, you can tag it for speedy deletion per WP:CSD#G7. hmwithτ 02:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Categories

An edit by a user popped on my watchlist and after checking their contribs I noticed that they have been adding a lot of cats out of alphabetical order (and have done so for nearly 500 edits). I have notified them of their mistake, but in reviewing some of the films (mainly) where they have been adding production cats I noticed a lot of films (and probably other articles) have cats out of order. My question is: is there a bot to fix the order of cats or where is the place to find out if there is a bot, or who would I talk to about getting such a bot made? Darrenhusted (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

There is no consensus that categories should be ordered alphabetically. Some folks feel tha the most relevant categories should come first. I am sure this has been discussed on the Wikipedia:Categorization talk page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Logging out

My logout button is not clickable. It's not my computer at fault. Why is this? JohnClarknew (talk) 00:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi John. Does clicking *here* work? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 00:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

could it be your monobook.js file? Have you changed it? (If you haven't heard of it then you probably haven't changed it) Hintswen  Talk | Contribs  00:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I've just tried both the "log out" option at the top of the page, and the link I just put here, and they both work. If it isn't your computer that is as fault, and assuming that you haven't changed your monobook.js file, then I'm guessing the fault is with you! PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 00:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Oy!! JohnClarknew (talk) 04:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Seriously though, have you got it working yet, John? PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 07:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Having difficulty with "en.wikipedia.org" login on Internet Explorer 8.0

My browser often crashes when I try to open articles that begin with en.wikipedia.org. How do I open them? I am using Internet Explorer 8. Rshafer174 (talk) 01:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

All the articles on the English Wikipedia are located at "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_name". hmwithτ 02:07, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Issue is user side. Reset IE8. Tools/Internet options/Advanced/Reset. Then try again Ivtv (talk) 03:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

References

Petergans thinks that his new article, Metal Ions in Life Sciences, does not require any references. But doesn't every single article, from stubs to featured articles, need references? All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 14:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

All articles must be verifiable, which means every article must have references (And at least a few reliable sources, preferably). Chamal ^talk 02:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

You're definitely in the right here Kayau, I've noticed some imperfections on the article and a few things that require references. ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 02:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I unhid the unrefd tag -- ISBNs verify the existence of the books, but not their notability.  – ukexpat (talk) 03:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

...or what is mentioned about them in the article. Chamal ^talk 05:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

They aren't even reliable evidence that a book exists. See Wikipedia:ISBN#Uses and limitations of ISBNs. Algebraist 13:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused. Have you all been visiting my talk page? I see no other reason why you started to talk about ISBNs. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 13:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I saw the ISBN tag on the article, that's what prompted my comment. – ukexpat (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

But Algebraist must have peeked. :) Otherwise he wouldn't have said anything about the 'existence of books'. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 02:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

You mean the think Ukexpat mentioned two comments above? Algebraist 02:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)