Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronwyn Holloway-Smith

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Toadspike [Talk] 04:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bronwyn Holloway-Smith

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Fails WP:ARTIST and WP:AUTHOR. Most of the sources are primary. LibStar (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Women, Visual arts, and New Zealand. LibStar (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete due to lack of secondary sourcing. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because the sources do not establish notability as per WP:ARTIST. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 08:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article needs some work but the subject is definitely notable. TheSwamphen (talk) 10:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain how the subject meets notability criteria. LibStar (talk) 04:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I went through all of the sources, and don't see how this could meet WP:ARTIST at this time. Elspea756 (talk) 13:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Independent sigcov from 2018 in RNZ, Stuff. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 01:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per coverage mentioned by Hameltion. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in line with WP:ARTIST bullets #3, #4, and even #2:
- "Ghosts in the form of gifts" is the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews (ref1, ref2)
- "Pioneer City" has won significant critical attention by winning the National Contemporary Art Award (ref1, ref2)
- She is known for her 3D-printing techniques, using the medium to reproduce lost items ("Ghosts in the form of gifts")

CaptainAngus (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Policies and WP's and MOS aside, how can "we" not keep the page of someone who created the title "Ghosts in the form of gifts". Randy Kryn (talk) 03:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Cleanup needed, new refs indicate that greater notability can be established. Right now, it's borderline from what I can ascertain. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As well as being an artist and author, Holloway-Smith has also been raising awareness of our 20th century public art as co-director of Public Art Heritage Aotearoa New Zealand supported by the Ministry for Culture and Heritage. I've edited the article to make this aspect of Holloway-Smith's work more visible. In my view, the work across a number of fields is enough to keep. Arnhemcr (talk) 22:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ In my view the notability criteria should be WP:ACADEMIC so bibliographical secondary sources are not required. None of the criteria have been met (yet). However, PAHANZ shows thought leadership on public art at a national level that is well above the average professor level. Arnhemcr (talk) 11:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can only cast one vote so I'm striking this one. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. Please could you strike my initial comment instead: it wasn't informed by policy and was made when the PAHANZ references were weaker than they are today. Re-listing the discussion over a week ago has attracted only one more comment. I suggest it's time to make a decision. I'll be doing further work on this article if it is retained. Arnhemcr (talk) 21:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hurry decision making. You've already asked me on my talk page. Suggest you WP:CHILL. LibStar (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice. It seems to me that the discussion has petered out. As you started the discussion, I assumed that you would be involved in bringing it to a conclusion, hence the message to your talk page. Something else that's already chilled is the willingness to further improve this article when it could be deleted. Arnhemcr (talk) 22:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you understand how AfDs work, I can only close it if it's unanimous keep. Which it is not. LibStar (talk) 01:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chill seems good advice, the RM seems in good shape considering that most of the negative comments came before Arnhemer continues doing good work on the page. Nice work Arnhemer, thanks for putting your attention on the topic. "Ghosts in the form of gifts" (will create and redirect to the nominated page), now there's some good prose. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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