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Philippine jade culture cleanup

Following up here absent a better location, hope that's okay. Given the AfD, it seems likely that it's worth cleaning up other mentions before relevant data gets lost in the noise. Based on the post-AfD delinkings, issues may exist at Template:Neolithic, Template:Former and present states in the Philippines, Template:History of the Philippines, Prehistory of the Philippines, Philippines–Vietnam relations, Philippines–Thailand relations, Economic history of Taiwan, Prehistory of Taiwan, Lingling-o, Xitu, Brunei–Philippines relations, 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, Malaysia–Philippines relations, Timeline of maritime migration and exploration, Batangas, Ancient history, History of Indonesia, History of Thailand, Taiwan, Malaysia, Template:Ancient seafaring/sandbox, Maritime timeline, Timeline of international trade, Template:Ancient seafaring, and Template:History of the Philippines/sandbox. Based on your research, is it the concept of a "maritime jade road" as a whole questionable, or just the specific question of a distinct Philippine "jade culture"? CMD (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CMD Thanks for compiling this list. The term "Philippine jade culture" is, as far as I see, entirely unverified to this day. However, as the IP pointed out, some parts of the article are based on real archeological finds in Taiwan and the Philippines, and some of these sites/finds might be notable (such as lingling-o). It is only the grossly exaggerated importance of this topic/connection and the specific phrase "Philippine jade culture" that is invented.

I believe the entire concept of a "maritime jade road" is questionable, but I have not done as thorough a search here. The evidence I presented at the AfD is conclusive in showing that before it was spammed all over Wikipedia in 2021 there were zero sources on this term, scholarly or otherwise. I fear that any coverage from afterwards may be citogenesis, but I have not yet done a thorough check of post-2021 sourcing, so I'm not sure. It might be that the spammers were researchers promoting some soon-to-be-published idea that has since gained scholarly consensus. (Unlikely, but I haven't checked.)

I am currently fairly busy in real life over the next two weeks, but I hope to write up a well-sourced, verifiable replacement for the "maritime jade road" boilerplate that was dropped all over the wiki, before systematically replacing all mentions of the term, or removing them if undue. This will require some research, though, and my offwiki commitments mean I will likely only get around to this by early February. If you are able to do this before then I will be very grateful. Toadspike [Talk] 22:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very much not sold on a liberal use of very recent academic scholarship which has not had time to be tested well within academia. There are repeated issues with for example recent genetic history studies being added to Philippine-related articles in a somewhat overinterpreted fashion. In other Philippine news an ongoing court case is undermining the very core of a couple of articles I've written and I'm procrastinating from addressing this in my en.wiki-related time. At a quick google scholar search "maritime jade road" brings up literally 8 hits, all of which seem to be incidental background mentions, one of which is even "I came across a mention of a Maritime Jade Road that dates back to 3000 bce. I would have liked to learn more about this ancient jade trading route, but it was not covered further in the following chapters." CMD (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was not aware that there were issues with scholarly sources in this field, that's good to know. I guess I'll just remove all mentions of this concept without replacement, then. Toadspike [Talk] 09:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with the use on en.wiki certainly. There has been an editor going on a massive cleanup spree over the past few weeks, thankfully. I would suggest that if there is something to add, it won't come without the complete ground-up replacement you mention. CMD (talk) 12:39, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cleared the templates. The Philippines-X relations articles seem to be mentions of "Jade artifacts manufactured in the Philippines using raw Jade from Taiwan were exported to X" with offline sources, I'll have another look around but based on the discussions it might be best to remove, and readd if a better summary can be developed. CMD (talk) 10:44, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Sonu Singh Hero (20:44, 9 January 2025)

How to Add My Self Details --Sonu Singh Hero (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

As per previous discussions, issues with Bgsu98 have been brought to ANI by another editor here, and I've provided some concrete examples of my previous assertions. JTtheOG (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping, this one will be a doozy but quite relevant to me. That said, getting a ping with the heading "ANI" really scared the crap out of me. Toadspike [Talk] 22:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh man, my sincerest apologies hehe. I don't think I fully thought that one through. JTtheOG (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AFD/2000 Swiss Figure Skating Championships

Hello... I saw your comment at ANI and appreciate your insight. I just wanted to explain the rationale for this particular nomination which you felt was overwhelming. It was the latest (and actually, the last) in a series of bulk nominations of individual competition articles that I proposed. You can probably find earlier examples that have already gone through (Estonia, Finland, South Africa, Latvia, etc.). The ideal outcome for these would have been redirected to the parent articles. You see, I had attempted to just redirect the articles for the Swedish Championships a few weeks ago, and was absolutely attacked, accused of being "sneaky", etc., when the same process had been used a few years ago at the Spanish and Romanian Championships. That's why they all went to AFD, so they would all be official, but I also put in the nomination that I recommended redirect. In fact, if you want to endorse the redirect option, that would be very helpful. That way, the article histories are preserved just in case, but most of these particular competitions lack the participants and numbers to be particularly notable. Please let me know if I can help any more in explaining my rationale. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining the context – I check the Switzerland deletion sorting list, so hadn't seen any of the other noms. I tried doing some searches at e-newspaperarchives.ch but this competition has a really odd name that generates lots of false positives, and the many years nominated at once doesn't help. I am busy IRL so may not get around to doing a full source check, though if the result is to redirect then there's no rush, I can re-create and improve any years for which I find sources if needed. Toadspike [Talk] 13:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The overall event – the Swiss Figure Skating Championships – is very notable. The individual year's events are, sadly, not so much. As much as I love Switzerland, they just don't have the depth of competition or volume of notable skaters to make a particular year's championship event notable. Not every discipline is always contested, sometimes there aren't enough skaters to award bronze (or in some cases, silver) medals, and so on. The idea was to consolidate everything into the parent article, where the medalists are listed. If someone is interested in how Skater X did, that skater's article will provide their scores and such. Only a handful of countries (the U.S., Canada, Japan, South Korea, Russia, France, Germany, Italy, and maybe a few others) have championship events worth individual yearly articles (IMO). Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Macarane on User talk:41.116.46.20 (03:55, 20 January 2025)

Hello what do I need to start doing IT? --Macarane (talk) 03:55, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Macarane What kind of IT would you like to do? I'm not super knowledgeable about this, but I believe most coding on Wikipedia is done with Lua, maybe that page has some pointers for you? Toadspike [Talk] 08:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Query re page move procedure

Just a quick query. I'm not particularly familiar with the procedure here. Given that you've contested my Astronomical catalog page move,

is the next step for me to transfer the request to the talk page, and if so,
does using the discuss button copy the existing discussion over to there, or will I be effectively starting afresh?

The instructions on the technical requests page don't seem necessarily to match what I see people doing there, namely leaving the requests there for open discussion, so I thought I'd ask. Thanks in advance. Musiconeologist (talk) 23:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Musiconeologist Yes, clicking the "discuss" link after your request will automatically open a move discussion for you. Requests "left for open discussion" on the Technical Requests page will not result in moves unless a move discussion (RM) is opened on the article talk page – after a few days contested requests get archived automatically. Toadspike [Talk] 08:32, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page mover granted

Hello, Toadspike. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving a redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

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Category:Requested moves, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :)

Hi Toadspike, it was a good question, thanks for asking – and to Sennecaster for noticing. I had already thought about this ([1]) but it was lost in implementation. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:04, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from KLDrin (22:21, 30 January 2025)

How can I change the map image on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Garden_Banks_National_Marine_Sanctuary page?

It's in an Info Box that says I do not have permission, but the map is out of date. --KLDrin (talk) 22:21, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KLDrin Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you'll stick around. That article is not protected, so it shouldn't require any special permissions to edit. The map image itself is on Wikimedia Commons here. If you want to replace it with a different image, I suggest you find one that complies with the Commons license requirements (basically, a public domain or Creative Commons-licensed image) and upload it at commons:Special:UploadWizard. Then, you can add it to the infobox by replacing | photo = Flower Gardens NMS map.jpg in the infobox code with the name of the new file. Toadspike [Talk] 22:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That worked. KLDrin (talk) 22:55, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]