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Palestine-Israel articles 5 arbitration case opened
You offered a statement in an arbitration enforcement referral. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Evidence. Please add your evidence by 23:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC), which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Introduction. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 06:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Propose to create page of block discussion in noticeboards
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Propose to create page of block discussion in noticeboards. JPPEDRA2 why not? 21:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2024).
Interface administrator changes
- Following an RFC, the policy on restoration of adminship has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
- Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, T5, has been enacted. This applies to template subpages that are no longer used.
- Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.
- The arbitration case Yasuke (formerly titled Backlash to diversity and inclusion) has been closed.
- An arbitration case titled Palestine-Israel articles 5 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 14 December.
Hi Leeky!
Tamzin sent me. An IPv6 was messing about on Open Orthodoxy and I reverted them, but because I reverted quite a way back some good edits got caught in the crossfire, which I then had to restore. Would you be so kind to check if I did everything correctly? I know very very little about this topic. Tamzin blocked the IP. I basically had to revert almost everything back to here. Polygnotus (talk) 08:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Polygnotus: hey! thanks for taking care of that :) i made one cut, but it looks like most of the good edits made their way back in. Nice work! This article seems to be in... bad shape more generally. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Yeah the article seems to attract people with strong opinions. It may be worth keeping an eye on. Polygnotus (talk) 22:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Happy holidays!
Hello Theleekycauldron: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Palestine-Israel articles 5 updates
You are receiving this message because you are on the update list for Palestine-Israel articles 5. The drafters note that the scope of the case was somewhat unclear, and clarify that the scope is The interaction of named parties in the WP:PIA topic area and examination of the WP:AE process that led to two referrals to WP:ARCA
. Because this was unclear, two changes are being made:
First, the Committee will accept submissions for new parties for the next three days, until 23:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC). Anyone who wishes to suggest a party to the case may do so by creating a new section on the evidence talk page, providing a reason with WP:DIFFS as to why the user should be added, and notifying the user. After the three-day period ends, no further submission of parties will be considered except in exceptional circumstances. Because the Committee only hears disputes that have failed to be resolved by the usual means, proposed parties should have been recently taken to AE/AN/ANI, and either not sanctioned, or incompletely sanctioned. If a proposed party has not been taken to AE/AN/ANI, evidence is needed as to why such an attempt would have been ineffective.
Second, the evidence phase has been extended by a week, and will now close at 23:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC). For the Arbitration Committee, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Welcome to the 2025 Arbitration Committee
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- Thanks, Kevin! I've signed both agreements. Awaiting the email deluge :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I like your shoelaces
Please tell me you or Tamzin are doing a DYK for Boneghazi. Apocheir (talk) 03:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Apocheir: Thanks, I stole 'em from the president! (It wasn't hard. He seemed distracted.) We're figuring out the DYK hook for sure :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Somewhere about 20 feet from you right now, there is a set of "the president's shoelaces" sold by Tumblr. About 20 feet from you in a different direction, there is a baseball that actually is from a president.
You have 30 seconds to decide which will be your only weapon in the war to come.(No but the rest of that is true.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 06:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)- Here I was hoping people would hold off on ominously telling me they know where I am until I actually became an arb theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Somewhere about 20 feet from you right now, there is a set of "the president's shoelaces" sold by Tumblr. About 20 feet from you in a different direction, there is a baseball that actually is from a president.
You have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee
The Electoral Commission is pleased to announce that you have been appointed for a two-year term to the Arbitration Committee effective January 1, 2025. Congratulations on the appointment.
On behalf of ElectCom: —CYBERPOWER (Merry Christmas) 14:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Congratulations, theleekycauldron! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- +1 Congratulations! Maliner (talk) 22:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Before you become too busy with your new arb duties, I was hoping you could take a quick look at this nomination, which seems to be waiting on whether you think your objections have been answered (and if they have been, a superseding tick). Thank you very much! BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, BlueMoonset! Just responded :) hopefully I'm not too busy to pop my head back into DYK every now and then. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Congratulations
Congratulations on your appointment to Arbcom! Andre🚐 00:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- congrats! :) ... sawyer * he/they * talk 01:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am also glad to see this, and for the record you did get my vote, but I would also caution you to take it slow. You've gone from admin to ARBCOM much quicker than most, I'd hate to see you take on too much and burn out. The committee is a lot of work, but you have a great group with a some highly experienced arbs incoming with you. Batten down your inbox, it's about to get cray cray for a while. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gods help us. Best, BusterD (talk) 02:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @AndreJustAndre and Sawyer777: Thank you so much!
- @Just Step Sideways: Thank you, that means a lot :) I would've had quite a bit of fun serving alongside you on the Committee, I'm sorry to miss that opportunity! I'm still happy with this year's graduating class :) very much looking forward to serving alongside them. Thank you for the advice, I'll make sure to keep it in mind. And thank you for keeping in good spirits and reaching out to all of the other candidates!
- @BusterD: They might help, they might not, I'm reaching for the seatbelt buckle pronto. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gods help us. Best, BusterD (talk) 02:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am also glad to see this, and for the record you did get my vote, but I would also caution you to take it slow. You've gone from admin to ARBCOM much quicker than most, I'd hate to see you take on too much and burn out. The committee is a lot of work, but you have a great group with a some highly experienced arbs incoming with you. Batten down your inbox, it's about to get cray cray for a while. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Congratulations, I hope you still have time for existing onerous duties. CMD (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- congratulations. Crafterstar (talk) 19:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 Arbitration Committee
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Your draft article, Draft:Wendy's on Twitter
Hello, Theleekycauldron. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Wendy's on Twitter".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
New message from Red-tailed hawk
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I figure I'd drop a talkback message here, since it's your userscript. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Comment
For however much it might be worth, just wanted to let you know I support your monitoring actions at RfA HF2. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 03:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
December music
story · music · places |
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November was rich in sadness and happiness for me, expressed in music. Regarding my (archived question), I found one so far who looked deeply into the matter, Simonm223. There are two composers on the Main page today, Siegfried Thiele and Aaron Copland. I find the response of my friend Jerome Kohl to a question on Copland's article talk promising. What do you think? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. I'd still like to know what you think about the Copland posts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
On the Main page today Jean Sibelius on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's Fifth from the opening of Notre-Dame de Paris. We sang in choirs today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher. - Congratulations to being elected! Could you look at Samuel Barber and tell me if you miss something in his infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. - I can report happily that the Barber situation was resolved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. - Thank you for improving article quality in December! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Request
Hi there — I’d like to formally request you reinstate my comment. Not going to do the whole citing of all caps, but the standard for removal of comments on any page is that it’s a clear personal attack and it was intended as such. Given that there’s been pretty diverse comment on this that it was not a clear violation of NPA, and I’ve clarified multiple times over now that it was a comment on the actions, I think it doesn’t meet the standards for removal. I’m not going to create more drama about it — too busy the rest of the week and it’s not that big enough of a deal to bother with AN. It’s just somewhat frustrating that there’s such a clear assumption of bad faith being made while I’m being accused of not assuming good faith. Reasonable people can and do disagree, and the best response to disagreement is discussion, as I’ve been trying to do this whole time. TonyBallioni (talk) 08:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Following up in case you missed this. From a quick nose count perspective from the talk page and the main RfA page it looks like 16-5 against removal at this point (on mobile and traveling so take my counting for what it’s worth.) TBallioni (talk) 22:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think you'll find the discussion of your outburst has moved on to other venues where the actual issue can be discussed more calmly. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 23:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That’s fine, but I would appreciate a response from the administrator who decided to take an administrative action. Additionally the policy discussion is separate from my vote in a particular RfA, so that wouldn’t be the best venue for this. TBallioni (talk) 23:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hey there, Tony, thanks for the follow-up :) I want to say first that I haven't and didn't mean to accuse you of acting in bad faith – if our wires got crossed somewhere on that, I am sincerely sorry. But reflecting on it, I still feel that the removal was in line with the MONITOR and admin policies. I do appreciate that you've gone out of your way write a new and better comment, but my thoughts about the original !vote haven't really changed; that in mind, I don't think I'll be able to restore it. All the best, theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries — this was the response I expected and I’m fine dropping it because I don’t think further escalation would be good for the community.Accountability is though, which is why I was insistent on a response here. There’s an annualish tradition of new arb(s) misreading their elections as a mandate to do XYZ, overstepping in their individual roles as admins, and getting a slap on the wrist for it. That’s essentially what happened here, but I think what concerns me is 1) you don’t see that you’re acting outside of consensus and 2) that you basically ignored administrator accountability as a policy since you were editing without responding to an appeal of your admin actions for two days. Neither of which are normal outside of cases where someone is about to resign anyway, which I don’t think is the case here.On point 1 and to respond somewhat directly to you’re response: it doesn’t really matter if you believe that I violated policy and that you acted within bounds. The community doesn’t and nothing in existing policy gives you the ability to maintain an admin action even when there’s consensus against it. That’s a big deal even if this is itself a pretty minor incident, and honestly it’s very concerning and the main reason I posted here — it’s literally the first time in 8 years I’ve ever seen an admin claim that, and it was worth getting a response.Anyway, I do appreciate the response. Having these things on the record in case it comes up again in the future is good for community-based governance. TBallioni (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've been watching this unfold, and I want to say some things primarily as feedback to leeky. Given that Tony has posted a revised comment that seems acceptable to all involved, there is clearly no need any more to restore the previous version. But I do think that there has been a clear consensus in the discussion about the original oppose comment, and that consensus is that the community does not consider it to have been a violation of policy. Strongly worded, yes, but not a policy violation. As such, it was an error to remove the comment in the first place, and it seems to me to be a disregard for consensus to fail to acknowledge that. The adoption of the process of having RfA monitors, and the consensus against personal attacks that underlies it, do not extend to policing strong opinions. And admins who volunteer to be monitors are expected to use better judgment in that regard, and not to exert a personal definition of civility that goes beyond community norms. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. Beware of local consensus and confirmation bias. Enough said. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- As you should beware of, too. But neither you nor the predictable agreement with you just below are doing leeky any service. It's obviously up to her whether or not she takes what I said to heart, but if she does not, she is responsible for her choices. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- +1 PackMecEng (talk) 01:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- To paraphrase Tip O'Neill - all consensus is local. The policy, which reflects the global consensus, is
removal should typically be limited to clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack
, and the local consensus is that this did not meet that.Anyway, Tryptofish, I agree with your comments both here and on the RFA talk. I think a better use of energy would be some point in the new year updating the monitor guidance to make it clearer what the community wanted, because I'm fairly confident it wasn't de facto unappealable removals of controversial opinions. I don't think this is worth litigating here or at the RfA anymore in part because the substantive 'sanction' is fairly minor at this point with my more thought out wording posted. If this continues to be an issue in the future, there's plenty of avenues we have to address. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm. Beware of local consensus and confirmation bias. Enough said. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've been watching this unfold, and I want to say some things primarily as feedback to leeky. Given that Tony has posted a revised comment that seems acceptable to all involved, there is clearly no need any more to restore the previous version. But I do think that there has been a clear consensus in the discussion about the original oppose comment, and that consensus is that the community does not consider it to have been a violation of policy. Strongly worded, yes, but not a policy violation. As such, it was an error to remove the comment in the first place, and it seems to me to be a disregard for consensus to fail to acknowledge that. The adoption of the process of having RfA monitors, and the consensus against personal attacks that underlies it, do not extend to policing strong opinions. And admins who volunteer to be monitors are expected to use better judgment in that regard, and not to exert a personal definition of civility that goes beyond community norms. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries — this was the response I expected and I’m fine dropping it because I don’t think further escalation would be good for the community.Accountability is though, which is why I was insistent on a response here. There’s an annualish tradition of new arb(s) misreading their elections as a mandate to do XYZ, overstepping in their individual roles as admins, and getting a slap on the wrist for it. That’s essentially what happened here, but I think what concerns me is 1) you don’t see that you’re acting outside of consensus and 2) that you basically ignored administrator accountability as a policy since you were editing without responding to an appeal of your admin actions for two days. Neither of which are normal outside of cases where someone is about to resign anyway, which I don’t think is the case here.On point 1 and to respond somewhat directly to you’re response: it doesn’t really matter if you believe that I violated policy and that you acted within bounds. The community doesn’t and nothing in existing policy gives you the ability to maintain an admin action even when there’s consensus against it. That’s a big deal even if this is itself a pretty minor incident, and honestly it’s very concerning and the main reason I posted here — it’s literally the first time in 8 years I’ve ever seen an admin claim that, and it was worth getting a response.Anyway, I do appreciate the response. Having these things on the record in case it comes up again in the future is good for community-based governance. TBallioni (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think you'll find the discussion of your outburst has moved on to other venues where the actual issue can be discussed more calmly. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 23:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Happy holidays!
Happy holidays and a prosperous 2025! | ||
claudia, you have done so much for Wikipedia in the past year. Running both RFA2024 and for ArbCom doesn't look easy... all while finishing college and then applying to law school. And I would be remiss if I didn't address the elephant in the room: Thank you for everything during my RfA. Your guidance throughout the process was essential to the successful outcome. I was thrilled to support you at ACE, and I have every bit of confidence that you will do amazing on ArbCom. I sincerely look forward to working with you. Happy holidays, and wishing you all the best in the new year :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 08:35, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
Seasonal greetings:)
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025! | |
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— Benison (Beni · talk) 18:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Season's Greetings
Hello Theleekycauldron: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Happy Holidays
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025! | |
Hello Theleekycauldron, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
Abishe (talk) 23:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I hope you and your family have the kindest holiday season
It was a joy to put your face with the username this year. I look forward to seeing you again soon. I'm very proud of the fine young woman you've always been, and the dedicated friend you continue to be. This was a very good year for you on the projects. Don't get cocky! Real life is always just around the corner. BusterD (talk) 00:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)