User talk:Tamzin/Archive/13

ANI Topic

Just dropping a note to let you know, I have no issues with the thread you raised at ANI. You are someone who has been on the of a particular brand of editor, different to the one I end up on but no less militant and convinced of their "truth" of the world (yours are actually worse than mine.) I hold you in the greatest respect. Raising a question over the block and asking for a review was a perfectly reasonable thing to do and I welcome the oversight and have zero issues. Canterbury Tail talk 18:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Canterbury Tail: You beat me to posting something on your own talk. :) I hope you know I'm entirely genuine about you being a good admin, and I hope that the strength of my wording in the AN/I post (CC @Floquenbeam) didn't come off as... I don't know, histrionic. I really try to avoid playing the social capital games of adminspace these days (cf. File:On the backrooms (essay by Tamzin).oga), and to me here that just meant saying how I feel and seeing if anyone agreed, not preparing a meticulously worded objection that could start the papertrail for further proceedings, which ironically led to stronger wording than I've used in cases where I expected a dispute to land at ArbCom. In other words, with apologies to Pascal, if I had more anger, I would have written a nicer letter.

All the best. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 23:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

A note

I saw your name today so I just stopped by to drop you a note. I raised an eyebrow when I saw you helped close the ADL discussion because of the star of David on your user page. However, I could not find fault with the close. Another thing, if I had been actively editing when you stood at RFA I would have opposed based on your political stance. But now, I would not oppose a Tamzin RFA. Have a great weekend! Lightburst (talk) 04:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if this came out wrong Tamzin, I saw your name today so I came here to leave a note. I really think your work here is great. Today, I would want you to be an administrator. Good job on the ADL close you showed great impartiality. I think I have been staring at my screen too long and it came out wrong. Leeky has let me know it was not a good message. I will go to bed now. Lightburst (talk) 05:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Lightburst: I believe you that it wasn't your intention to say anything hurtful here. And I do appreciate the vote of confidence (although these days I don't particularly care who thinks I'd be a good admin, one luxury of not being an admin). But I do think it's important to understand why theleekycauldron was taken aback at this, and frankly why I was taken aback. One of the main points I tried to make as an admin, which I still see as worth taking the time to fight over even now (see above), is that it's not appropriate to judge editors by their religion, sexuality, ethnicity, et cetera. Saying (or implying) that you saw someone as likely to be biased based on their religion/ethnicity is still doing that, even if your ultimate conclusion is a favorable one. The one-off favorable conclusion doesn't actually offset the initial biased assumption, and calls into question whether you would be inclined to (explicitly or not) use religion or ethnicity as the basis for criticism if you didn't agree with a Jew's close of an Israel-related RfC. You won't find me in the sanctions thread, because I don't want to play any part in the fucked-up way this site handles user conduct issues; but if I can give some constructive, restorative advice, I'd ask you to consider why it is that you think someone acknowledging affiliation with a specific group should be seen as potentially tainting their (quasi)administrative actions, and whether that's an approach that is fair to minority groups, given that members of less marginalized groups are often able to signal their membership without it being seen as remarkable, but are no less prone to bias (for instance, a man saying "I have a husband" might be seen as showing bias on LGBTQ topics, but a man saying "I have a wife" is not; yet over 95% of the U.S. has opinions on LGBTQ rights). Whichever way the thread goes, I think that's a good question for you—and anyone—to consider. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 16:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Hey, you're a good friend, you know that? That was powerful and nice for you to reach out to me afterwards. Sorry you've had to put up with some embarrassing and annoying stuff from me lately, but that was really kind. You deserve this barnstar. The Night Watch (talk) 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: I don't "put up" with anything. I haven't done anything I didn't want to do since July 2013. You're nice to chat with. :) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 00:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

It's something I worry about a little, that I say something wrong! I was always the "quirky loner kid", and social situations cause me high stress. Yes, even online ones, go figure. It's always a learning process for me. But yeah, you're fun to talk to. Don't overexert yourself, per usual :) The Night Watch (talk) 02:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi

I am not sure what to think about this. Polygnotus (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: I try not to have opinions on categories when I can help it. Do you have a specific question? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

A great attitude. Well, I am no expert on the matters at hand, being born boring, but I stumbled across it accidentally and I wondered if the claim that calling transgender men "male" could be slightly awkward is correct (and if so, why). Valereee has you listed as an expert on their userpage (and as willing to answer questions) so I figured I might as well ask. Polygnotus (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not aware of any authority, descriptive or prescriptive, that considers it correct to call trans men "men" but not to call them "male". As far as I know that's just a lexicological myth borne of hasty explanations of the gender/sex distinction. "Male" and "female" can refer to gender, "man" and "woman" to sex.

Ceterum censeo content categories delenda est. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, my AI says male refers to sex and man refers to gender. Polygnotus (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

And this is why it is good to ask experts instead of trusting AI. Thank you! Polygnotus (talk) 20:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

September thanks

story · music · places

Thank you for what you told my friend Graham! - I thought of you earlier today when I added a RS to an article that was on DYK 10 years ago, my story today, - I think of you often that way, with thanks for having pointed out that not all singers' biographies are of equal quality. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Rubber-stamping

Can you please "close" this RfC? Contentious topic, etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Celebrity Number Six

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Your GA nomination of Celebrity Number Six

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Mandel

Do you have any theory what's behind these [1] edits? Fwiw, I think [2] counts as "published". I keep reverting because It's right there in The New Yorker!!! Wikipedians don't question The New Yorker!!! Without good reason, anyway. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: My theory has been that, due to our past own goal, that section gets an unusual amount of attention for the personal life section on a relatively low-profile BLP, leading to a lot of tilting at windmills by people who care more about the idea of being right than actually being right. It's certainly an unusual pattern of edits, not just from that IP either, but about sufficiently disparate topics that I doubt it's socking. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello there

It's that the Face Reveal on your image! 77.77.218.177 (talk) 08:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

'zinbot

Hello Tamzin, I hope you are doing great. I noticed that 'zinbot has not reviewed any RfDed redirects since 17 April 2024. Maybe it needs a fix? – DreamRimmer (talk) 06:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: I think @TheresNoTime was looking into this, as they run that side of the bot. Hey Sammy! Fox sighting recently here! First in over a year. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 16:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I get a moment ^^ and oh cool, the foxes are back! 🦊 — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 18:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

*foxen -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. If you ever need an extra pair of hands to help maintain this tool in the future, I'd be happy to help out :) – DreamRimmer (talk) 12:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer @Pppery, also @Robertsky: Very sorry for the delay here.  Fixed There were a few issues, primarily that no one made the requested notification when Ahecht modified the template's output in April. Still, it's my fault this took so long to fix. Ideally I'd like to make the bot load a cached version of the template's output periodically, to remove the dependency on manual updates, but I'm still mulling over the best way to dynamically turn that output into a regex without letting through false positives. It was suggested at some point in the past that maybe my conservativism in looking for the exact output of {{subst:RfD|<redirect>}} was excessive, since while it does reduce the risk of patrolling vandalism, that's a very low risk to begin with, and any such vandalism would usually be low-visibility, plus vandalism can always occur after the patrolling regardless. So I'm tempted to just check for an {{#invoke:RfD... and leave it at that. But I'm not sure yet. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 23:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I must've missed that box since all the others were talking only about breaking changes, not just HTML changes. My mistake. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 03:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Article improvement

Hey Tamzin, the concept of gender nonconformity came up in a discussion and I know you've done some good work on LGBT-related topics. I figured I'd ask if you have any ideas or are interested on working on this? No issues if not, I realize that most Wikipedians already have crazy to do lists as it is. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: I think I have my hands full right now with rewriting Transgender sexuality, and then a few projects lines up after that too. Thanks for the offer though. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 01:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Most Wikipedians have a lot on their plate but I figured the worse I could get is a no. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Shitposting warning

Please refrain from shitposting on Wikipedia as you did at Andrew Tate. Your edits have been hidden as part of a collapsed discussion.

• If you are engaged in shitposting with another editor, please discuss the off-topic shit with the editor at their talk page, not the article talk page.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's shitposting guidleines, and please do not continue to make shitposts that appear shit. CNC (talk) 00:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Holy crap, I had my finger on the rollback button! Knitsey (talk) 00:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I find this very homophobic against @Drmies. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 01:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for sticking up for me, Tamzin. I'm having a hard enough time already with my identity, and now I'm getting collapsed? That's almost like being canceled, isn't it? I'm being oppressed. That's it: I'm going to pet my dog and make creme brulees for my kids. (Is that a gay enough thing to do? I'm so confused.) Drmies (talk) 01:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wrong diff links in ANI thread comment

Hi, sorry, this may not be worth this message, but I thought I'd let you know that the last two diffs you linked in your comment in today's Lightburst ANI thread ("commented again" and "replied") are not the ones you meant to link, I believe (the correct ones are just one away for each though, so it's not like the sources for the quoted text are impossible to find). Feel free to ignore/remove this message :) Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 23:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Felida97: Oh, thanks! It was the issue that comes up if you cycle through diffs using "next". Fixed now. :) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 00:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Canada-India talk page

Sorry to bug you over this, Tamzin, but since you just closed the split proposal, I'm hoping you saw the "poisoning the well" comment directed towards me just before.[3] One of the diffs they do show is me literally giving an apology. I get they think my conduct is subpar but I don't think laying that all out there (complete with the aforementioned PA and others in there) and then wanting me to discuss content in the next paragraph is fair. Could you by chance remove the PAs? ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  01:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@GhostOfDanGurney: I am not an admin, and closed the discussion just as any ol' content editor chipping in. If you have a user conduct concern, you should bring that to WP:AE under ARBIPA, or to WP:AN/I if you prefer worse feedback. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 01:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1255305234

Hi Tamzin. I completely misread your comment so I removed my reply. Would appreciate if you would remove yours too since that's not how I intend to respond. It's getting late where I am so I'll see about writing a proper response tomorrow. -Fastily 06:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 06:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Fastily: For what it's worth, I really avoid participating at AN/I as much as I can help it. So maybe it conveys how alarmed I was at your treatment of Clovermoss and Fathoms Below that I felt I had to make an exception. Or maybe it doesn't; not like you're under any obligation to think I have good judgment. Either way, I've said my piece in the thread, and I'll leave it to calmer minds than mine (that's a joke, it's AN/I we're talking about) to figure out where to go from here. So no need to ping on reply or anything like that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 08:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Didn't see you had fixed the others...

Please see Template talk:Archive top yellow#Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2024, same css spillover problem as the others you fixed. – 2804:F1...86:83AA (talk) 19:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Elliiiiiiiiiiii weren't you gonna do this? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Fixed it now. And yes I was meaning to do so earlier, but I forgot. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

SOM:Ledecite does not mean you do not have to put citations in a entire section

You have reverted my edit on Whitestripes,Ledecite means like,a paragraph, not a whole citationless section, UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 20:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

(talk page jaguar) No, WP:LEADCITE very specifically articulates that citations are generally not required in the lead section of an article, as it is meant to be a summary of the cited material in the body. Remsense ‥ 论 20:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Remsense has it right. I've elaborated in my revert summary. Note in particular that LEADCITE contemplates misunderstandings of this nature, and explicitly uses the word "lead sections": As editors are often unaware of this guideline, good faith should be assumed when {{citation needed}} tags are added to lead sections sometimes erroneously. {{Leadcite comment}} can be added to article leads that often attract unwarranted {{citation needed}} tags. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

then what is the point of the existence of Template:US? UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 22:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

To be used in any section except the lead. Maybe the template's documentation should say that. If you see a lead section that contains statements not verified in the body of the article, there's {{Lead extra info}}. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

That template is for sections that require references. The lead does not require references. Remsense ‥ 论 22:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin,Okay you are right UnsungHistory (Questions or Concerns?) (See how I messed up) 23:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Species close

Not the sort of result my comments were seeking to create, but thought I'd let you know I appreciate the careful wording, which must have taken some time. Best, CMD (talk) 08:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

DYK for List of journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War

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Follow-up thread: "Nice work..."

...at Hurricane Shark! Randy Kryn (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2022 (UTC) @Randy Kryn: Thanks! Credit where credit is due to coäuthors Elli and theleekycauldron. Definitely the most fun I've had writing an article. Both because it's a silly topic and because it was one of those rare times where all the fun correlations you want to draw in an article but it would be SYNTH to, the reliable sources actually do draw! -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 12:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Yeah, one of the more fun articles I've had the pleasure to collaborate on for sure! Elli (talk | contribs) 13:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC) ...and here!   — Jeff G. ツ 23:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Out of the Blue (book)

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GA for Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2018)

The article Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2018) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2018) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of MaxnaCarta -- MaxnaCarta (talk) 04:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Discussion; see also § Kitten from MaxnaCarta

Ayyyyy, nice job! High five :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Tamzin did a great job @Theleekycauldron! MaxnaCarta (talk) 04:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC) We can only hope we see more, MaxnaCarta :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:15, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Indeed! Tamzin, once you have a moment to self congratulate and enjoy your success, please do consider the page rename. Cheers MaxnaCarta (talk) 04:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Congrats on the GA! — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:42, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Wow, I'm finally ready to RfA now! ;) Seriously though, thank y'all for your kind words.​​ Six months to the day after the article was on DYK; and ten years, a week, and a day after I registered this account. Very nice symmetry. Thank you, MaxnaCarta, for being a great GA reviewer and amicus encyclopediae. I'd enumerate the ways, but res ipsa loquitor. Regarding your comment obiter dictum, ex rel. whether the article should remain sub this nomine, I'll ping you from talk, as any other option would be either in camera or ex parte. Your further thoughts are welcome in re this in rem matter, even as functus officio. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 06:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC) In the matter of using Latin terms ad nauseum, respectfully, I dissent. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC) That...required Google translating. Catch you about! MaxnaCarta (talk) 06:43, 11 November 2022 (UTC) TIL of {{bcc}}. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Atkinson Hyperlegible

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theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Congrats Tamzin! I have to wonder how you can make hooks get lots of views... ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 04:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC) @Blaze Wolf: A quirky taste in article topics, a former middle school teaching aide's sense of what keeps people engaged, and, of course, a large botnet with spoofed useragents. /j -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 05:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

GA for Fucking Trans Women

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DYK for Fuccboi (novel) [minor contributor]

On 4 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fuccboi (novel), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Fuccbois' crew won awards, while Fuccboi's prose received both praise and criticism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fuccbois. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Fuccboi (novel)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

@Drmies, Theleekycauldron, and HelenDegenerate: I think we can all agree, truly, for each of us, our greatest accomplishment on Wikipedia. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Well...hmm...yes...but Chicken fried bacon got 26,500 views... I had a seven-fold DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Going to the Dogs, which was fun... And obviously y'all did most of the work on this... Drmies (talk) 00:22, 4 January 2023 (UTC) @Drmies: Oh, I did little here myself but cheerlead. Don't think I'll give myself the topicon for the few sentences I did write. Now, Fucking Trans Women, on the other hand, that was quite an effort, and a worthy conclusion of the Fuck school fuck softball fuck cheer fuck everything / Fuck Boy (disambiguation) trilogy. We'll see if its eventual DYK run scandalizes anyone. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Oh I saw that while you were working on it: very impressive. Aaaah you young people, scandalizing folks... Must be lovely to have such drive... ;) Drmies (talk) 00:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC) When that day comes, I’ll be ready with the popcorn! ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 02:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC) Indeed, I'm off to place a {{Retired}} template on my talk :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Mi Shebeirach

On 7 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mi Shebeirach, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Debbie Friedman and Drorah Setel's Mi Shebeirach for healing, written by the couple amidst the AIDS crisis, has become "the emotional highlight of synagogue services" for many Jews? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mi Shebeirach. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mi Shebeirach), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

GA for Sarah Ashton-Cirillo

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DYK for Fucking Trans Women

On 15 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fucking Trans Women, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Fucking Trans Women associates erectile dysfunction with pleasure? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fucking Trans Women. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Fucking Trans Women), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 12,906 views (1,075.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Ash Street shootout

On 28 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ash Street shootout, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that of up to 300 bullets fired in the Ash Street shootout between U.S. Army Rangers and alleged drug dealers, none were reported to have hit anyone? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ash Street shootout. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ash Street shootout), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 17,029 views (709.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 05:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Driving in Madagascar

On 16 February 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Driving in Madagascar, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that, due to bandits, convoys of ten or more vehicles are required on some roads when driving in Madagascar? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Driving in Madagascar. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Driving in Madagascar), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Capri-Sun

On 26 February 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Capri-Sun, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that tobacco conglomerate Philip Morris Cos. marketed Capri Sun to children based on experience selling tobacco to young people? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Capri Sun. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Capri-Sun), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 17,174 views (715.6 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of February 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Mike Tyson's tattoos

On 18 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mike Tyson's tattoos, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in a lawsuit over Mike Tyson's face tattoo, a judge found it "just silly" to say that tattoos cannot be copyrighted, but refused to delay The Hangover Part II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mike Tyson's tattoos. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mike Tyson's tattoos), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 7,833 views (652.8 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of March 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

GA for Mi Shebeirach

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DYK for Mira Bellwether

On 28 April 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mira Bellwether, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mira Bellwether's husband had already read her zine, Fucking Trans Women, years before he met her? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mira Bellwether. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mira Bellwether), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 12:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Presidential immunity in the United States

On 17 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Presidential immunity in the United States, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that no law establishes whether a sitting U.S. president can be prosecuted? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Presidential immunity in the United States. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Presidential immunity in the United States), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

GA for Mike Tyson's tattoos

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DYK for Arrests of Ulysses S. Grant

On 24 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Arrests of Ulysses S. Grant, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ulysses S. Grant was arrested for speeding in his horse carriage when he was a general? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arrest of Ulysses S. Grant. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Arrests of Ulysses S. Grant), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Reply
Kudos on your work. Terrific writing. Funny. Current. So sweet. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 23:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for End Poem (and my response to many barnstars)

On 28 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article End Poem, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Julian Gough wrote in Minecraft's End Poem that "you are love" (quotation pictured), and then released the poem into the public domain after a psilocybin trip prompted him to heed that message? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/End Poem. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, End Poem), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 30,492 views (1,270.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of June 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

To segue from that, there's a bit in Julian Gough's blog post about the poem that stuck with me:

I had, essentially, given my story as a gift to a couple of hundred million people all around the world [...]; but I had refused to allow any of them to give me anything in return. And that was a kind of arrogance, too. A blockage in the flow of love.

Indeed, I had actively hidden away from love. [...] I frequently got Twitter DMs, and emails, and messages through my website, that told me how much the End Poem had meant to people. [...] All kinds of beautiful, generous, vulnerable messages. But, often, too overwhelmed by emotion [...], I wouldn't even reply.

[... T]he universe told me that it wasn’t acceptable for me to give love, but then refuse to receive it. That was just fake humility; another form of arrogance, of ego. I had to allow people to say thank you; I had to accept whatever gifts people might wish to offer in return, because too much charge was building up along that blocked circuit.

I had to complete the circuit. Let it flow.

If I have one overriding challenge on this site, it's having a clinically fucked-up memory. The upshot of my dissociative condition is that I tend to index things by topic, not by time, such that I can drop something for months and then pick up right where I left off. Here, in an environment where that would at times not be acceptable, I force myself to respond promptly to admin accountability inquiries and time-sensitive editorial concerns... but otherwise I often let things linger. And I'd told myself that that wasn't hurting anyone, and I guess I was right in the direct sense, because I've never been slow to respond to something where someone was owed a speedy response. But the quote from Gough got me to see it a bit differently. I've gotten a lot of WikiLove and often I've just never gotten around to responding to it, and that does have a harm in its own way, because it fails to create the circuit someone tried to initiate. And as much as I'd like to blame that all on a shitty memory, maybe some of it is a feeling that I don't deserve that gratitude. But that's unfair to the people who've felt I do deserve it.

So, going back to November... @EducatedRedneck: Thank you. That means a lot. It was a tough situation. @Liz: Thanks, trying my best not to blow anything up. @Drmies: mu. @Unexpectedlydian: Glad to help. @ReneeWrites: Thanks! Got the article to GA right after that! One of my proudest. @GabberFlasted: Glad to help! @PaulHammond: Thanks. :) @Ppt91: :) @WeaponizingArchitecture: Unfairly good sources, really. Still looking for another tattoo with scholarly coverage. @Der-Wir-Ing: I'll take my pizza New Jersey–style or Provençal-style, thanks. @Bradv: Thank you, that means a lot. @Valereee: 🐋. @LilianaUwU, Sj, Compassionate727, Bjtplett, and Westley Turner: You're welcome! @Mz7, on behalf of 1,003 thankers: It really meant a lot to see I'd helped that many people. Hopefully I'm being as helpful or more this year.

Sorry-not-sorry for all the pings. Hope this completes a few circuits. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin I felt the urge to reply, on top of the "thanks", because this kind of honesty and vulnerability is in my (limited) experience quite rare on en-wiki. You deserve all the gratitude.¹

1. Source: my strong personal opinion.

Ppt91^talk 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for 1967 Lake Erie skydiving disaster

On 19 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1967 Lake Erie skydiving disaster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an air traffic controller's confusion of two planes' locations caused sixteen skydivers to drown after they unknowingly jumped over Lake Erie? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1967 Lake Erie skydiving disaster. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 1967 Lake Erie skydiving disaster), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 12:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 18,678 views (1,556.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of July 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Reply

Well I'll be damned. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 04:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC) Highest of the month so far -- congratulations! I'm experimenting with hook placements a little; I'm not sure how much the "quirky last slot" structure is borne out by user experience data (as opposed to pageviews data). Placing this one in the second slot seems to have worked out for it. That makes 7/10 top hooks this month so far ones I promoted, including 4 of the top 5, with 2/5 from that set alone. Vaticidalprophet 04:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC) Pretty impressive, Vaticidalprophet, given you've only made about a quarter of the month's promotions :) ya love to see a good eye for this kind of thing. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Crayon-eating Marine trope

On 29 October 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Crayon-eating Marine trope, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that U.S. Marines eat crayons? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Crayon-eating Marine trope. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Crayon-eating Marine trope), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 23,032 views (959.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of October 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for This War of Mine: The Board Game

On 16 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article This War of Mine: The Board Game, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that sessions of This War of Mine: The Board Game can last over five hours and often end in the deaths of all characters? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/This War of Mine: The Board Game. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, This War of Mine: The Board Game), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Related discussion

Your essay made me buy the game. I suspect I will be overwhelmed by the gameplay and rules. :D Valereee (talk) 14:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC) @Valereee: Well if you have any questions, let me know! I recommend playing when in a decent headspace emotionally, with a free schedule the day after. Solitaire is more satisfying than coöp IMO, but if you do solitaire I recommend having someone around you can talk to as you play. Also, we actually gave away our own copy after the playthrough recounted in the essay—felt wrong to keep playing—which came around to annoy me when writing the article on the game. The picture I uploaded of the status tokens, I had to crop from an old one I took mid-game. So if you feel like taking a better picture of tokens, and/or a picture of the cover of the Book of Scripts (which, like the tokens, I believe to be copyrightable in Poland but not the U.S., so eligible for local upload), feel free! -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 15:17, 4 November 2023 (UTC) Thanks! I was planning on solitaire as the hubs isn't a huge board gamer, but he's always around and after 30 years still mostly charmed rather than otherwise by the rabbit holes I go down and the bees I get in my bonnet. Totally happy to take photos, which will in all likelihood show I'm Doing It Wrong. Okay, first of questions likely to become annoying...after having recently discovered that a jigsaw puzzle needs one of these to ensure it won't require a trip to the vet to see if the missing pieces are inside the cat...can this be be put away between sessions? Valereee (talk) 16:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC) @Valereee: Yes, there's a save system built in! Although I'd recommend taking a picture of everything too just to be safe, at least if you're an anxious type to me. That's actually why I have the pic that the tokens are cropped from. Also, a ping to @BiomatrixBackup in case she has any insights on the intersection of cats and boardgames, both of which she happens to be an expert on. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 17:17, 4 November 2023 (UTC) Ah, like, actually medically? I thought you were joking, lol. There are many good intersections of cats and board games, such as Calico, The Isle of Cats series, etc. The bad intersections involving cats eating pieces, I must say I've never actually run into. You so rarely get feline patients who have eaten something ridiculous, it's the canines who eat everything, and when it does happen, it's never been a board game piece in the history of my practice. Hmmm. Clearly I need more experience. BiomatrixBackup (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2023 (UTC) Not a thought behind those eyes Having once called a vet to ask about the dangers of eating cat poop and being asked, "And how old is your lab?", quite agree on the general higher likelihood of dogs to eat things. I've had cats who have eaten yarn and tinsel, but it turned out there was no evidence the cat had done anything but steal, play with, and eventually hide the puzzle pieces. The yarn appeared to be the bigger issue as I had no idea how long a piece of yarn had been ingested. They admitted her, stupid thing. Valereee (talk) 17:49, 4 November 2023 (UTC) "But that cat", the dogs say, "I like her. She's one of the dogs. You see what she did with that yarn?" -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 17:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC) Right? Not every cat could actually eat what turned out to be nearly three feet of yarn. I mean, it's not that easy. I actually knew yarn had been eaten rather than having simply disappeared only because I noticed her, Bill the Cat-like, yacking as the final couple inches disappeared into her gullet. I was like...what do you do? Trying to pull it back out didn't seem to be ideal. Valereee (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC) Okay, I've taken photos of literally everything during unboxing. I believe we can use under fair use anything that is discussed in the text in a way that would make a photo helpful to illustrate, but I'm not familiar with the game at all at this point. Would you want me to put them into a gallery there so you can put them where they should go? I think there are probably a few that could even go to commons -- a photo of the open box with the various pieces in their slots, etc., may be okay for commons? Valereee (talk) 13:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK for 1997 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade

On 3 December 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1997 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that NYPD officers stabbed and stomped on Barney the Dinosaur to cheers from a massive crowd? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1997 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 1997 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 24,256 views (1,010.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments on close at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Emoji redirects

Hey, thank you for the greatly detailed and in-depth analysis of the AfC over at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Emoji redirects. Always appreciate when someone goes the extra mile. That was a great summary with good guidance for the future!

Cheers, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 19:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Someday you may join the green side!

If you ever find yourself wanting to collaborate with someone on a green side article, I'm your anthropomorphic plant. I'll find a lovely red link or stub with amazing pictures on iNaturalist and maybe even a weird fact and teach you all the "secrets" to understanding the strange language of Botanese. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 06:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

It's truly sad to see you resign, knowing how much you mean to the admin team. Your work as an admin has a significant impact, but I completely understand and respect your decision. I'm not asking you to reconsider because I respect your choice. I sincerely hope you'll still be around to offer your valuable advice and continue your great work. Thank you so much for everything you've done as an admin. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Tamzin, I'm not going to try to talk you out of resigning, because you know what's best for yourself, but you've consistently exceeded expectations as an admin and your presence on the admin team will certainly be missed. I'm glad you aren't retiring from the project entirely, I'm sure we can expect many more interesting articles from you in the future. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

What the others said. And your frankness in stepping back and evaluating your own behaviour is greatly admired. If and when you are ever ready to work as an admin again, know that you will be well-placed to mentor a new generation of admins and break the vicious cycle. Of course, content work is no mean feat either, and it is integral and central to a complete encyclopedia. Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_{my edits}) 18:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I echo what the others have said: you've been a net positive to the project, in all respects. Thank you for your service as an admin, and cheers to many more years of building the encyclopedia. :) sawyer * he/they * talk 21:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Most of Wikipedia is a cesspit and the worst part is that it drags down people who are here to build an encyclopedia. Something I've been working hard on for the last couple of years is only engaging in activities that help build an encyclopedia and in being as positive as I can (with things like Challenges). — Bilorv (talk) 09:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

<3 You were a good admin, Tamzin. Good on you for continuing on the content side, and all the best, both here and IRL - DFlhb (talk) 12:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

You're completely right about the toxic culture here, but Wikipedia is so resistant to change that I doubt it will be fixed in the foreseeable future. It can be very discouraging at times, and there have been multiple times where I've also considered stepping back to focus on what really matters. Thank you for all of your work as an admin, and I hope to see you continuing to build an encyclopedia in the future. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 14:41, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Seconding everything said above. You've consistently been one of the few admins willing to speak out and take action when you see problems rather than ignore or perpetuate them. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

+1 — Callitropsis🌲[talk · contribs] 20:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Although perhaps a novice editor, I agree that a lot of editors lose sight of what the point actually is. Thanks for your admin work, Tamzin. _Dial^mayo 14:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Burn the candle only at one end, probably wise. Luck. Selfstudier (talk) 15:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your service, Tamzin... just noticed your resignation on BN. You have been an excellent admin and editor throughout your wikicareer and I'm sure others will say the same. Prodraxis _(talk) 21:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your admin work, Tamzin, and good luck with whatever projects you work on next. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Tamzin, I only just found out, and I want to let you know how much I appreciate you, and how much I appreciate your work here. Definitely, your own well-being matters far more than mopping up some messes on a website. If you ever feel like talking to me about it, you know where my talk page is. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:09, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @Tryptofish. Honestly it's not about my own wellbeing. It's about... I don't know, the only phrase I can think of to describe it is the Toki Pona term nasin pona—nasin meaning 'path' and pona meaning any of '[of] correctness', '[of] goodness', '[of] simplicity', or '[of] peace'. Part of that's about one's own wellbeing, sure. But the greater part is about one's place in the world. At a certain point I realized that I was interacting with the world in a way that didn't match my own sense of self. And then recent events solidified my feeling that this was not a space I wanted to be a part of. (More Toki Pona philosophizing: 'want' and 'need' aren't separate things; instead there's only superseding degrees of wile.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

That's a very thoughtful reply. For what it's worth, one fish's opinion is that getting more in touch with one's most appropriate path is very much a part of achieving well-being. But whatever the inner motivation, I understand the dissatisfaction with the culture at this website, and I wish you well. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Some of the stuff we deal with here isn't that nice, but in my experience you were. I'm certainly glad you're not taking off entirely, and hope I'll still run into you. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 19:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
• I'd missed this. There has been a lot of loss in the community this year. Heal gently. Glad to see you're still planning to stay around and I look forward to continuing to work with you. Star Mississippi 16:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
• Sorry I'm only seeing this now, Tamzin. Echoing others above, it's sad to lose you (for now) from the admin corps, but I'm glad you're still around in a capacity that works for you, and looking forward to working with you on content going forward! Sdkb ^talk 00:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• Thank you for your service, Tamzin. I have only good words to say about your tenure as an admin and have always found you to be a very helpful person. I'm glad to hear you aren't fully retiring, and will certainly see you around! Patient Zero^talk 00:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• I'm sad to see you leave the admin corps, but I hope that it allows you to become a more productive Wikipedian and a happier person. I've mostly quit anti-vandalism work for content creation and I feel like I've actually made a difference. Hope to see you around soon! ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Also, how did my name end up in the Wikihate section? How did Nosebagbear/you get a hold of my name and put it there? I'm really confused. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  never mind, I get what the trolling means ;) ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• I only just now saw this. Your resignation comes at a time when I most likely came to the same realization as you. Two months ago, it dawned on me that I should have never been talking negatively about other editors behind their backs. I feel like such a better person.. I am genuinely happy for you. Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
• +1 all of this. Thank you for your service as an admin and best of luck in your future endeavors. Queen of Hearts talk
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• Only just now saw this, via admin newsletter. But I couldn't not chime in and thank you for your admin work and continuing content work, and also for trying to steer things in a more friendly direction. DMacks (talk) 12:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Thank you very much for your contributions! Completely understand your reasons for taking a break ( :( ). Hope that you might return to admin work, if you'd like, sometime in the future. Frostly (talk) 19:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• #Content SWinxy (talk) 23:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• I'm surprised to see that you resigned. While we have not seen eye-to-eye on many issues, you were a good administrator and were able to isolate your opinions of what policy should be from your application of the existing rules. That is the most important skill that an administrator can have, because the administrator toolset is for enforcing community consensus and the editor toolset is often for trying to change it. Since I trust your perspective on whether or not you should be using the tools, I won't say you're making a mistake, but if you start another RfA, you can expect my support. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 03:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• I somehow just came across this -- it slipped through my radar -- when I was confused by your lack of an admin flag in a page history, figured a script was on the fritz...boy, was I surprised. I'm sorry to see that you have given up the bit but do understand your reasoning and empathize. Thank you for your work as an admin, Tamzin. It might not have felt like it but it was greatly appreciated by myself and others. I hope to still see you around the 'pedia. ♥ --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Acceptable descriptions of a person

Back in February, you told me that a living person's page needed to be more neutral than I had it.

Would it be appropriate to include a description that a company was criticized for being transphobic, if two sources I have (articles from LGBTQ Nation and The Mary Sue) characterize the organization as that?

Article One: Ex-Levi's president launches anti-trans sports clothing brand XX-XY Athletics

Article Two: Former Levi's Exec and COVID Denier Launches First Transphobic Clothing Line Rhino Ryan (talk) 01:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Two responses

Today I got around to publishing two responses to things people have been asking me about.

The first is in response to queries, comments, and well-wishes by, among others, @DreamRimmer, Trainsandotherthings, Wilhelm Tell aDCCXLVI, Sawyer777, Bilorv, DFlhb, Ingenuity, Thebiguglyalien, Callitropsis, Dialmayo, Selfstudier, ~delta, QuicoleJR, Tryptofish, Seraphimblade, Star Mississippi, Sdkb, Patient Zero, HistoryTheorist, Queen of Hearts, DMacks, Frostly, SWinxy, TheSandDoctor, The Night Watch, JBW, Valereee, JPxG, Xeno, and RadioactiveBoulevardier. (If you've had something to say and I missed your name, please take no offense.) I recorded this back in March, in response to many of y'all either asking why I'd resigned, saying you hoped to see me back, or equally saying you completely understood. I never got around to editing it down, but was spurred to do that after a conversation yesterday with Vami_IV (Z''L)'s sister, so, here it is: File:On the backrooms.ogg. Transcript available at c:TimedText:On the backrooms (essay by Tamzin).oga.en.srt for those deaf, hard of hearing, or just not that interested into listening to my voice for 22:52—although I do think it works best as audio.

The second is in response to "Wikipedia's Indian problem: settler colonial erasure of native American knowledge and history on the world’s largest encyclopedia" by Kyle Keeler: User:Tamzin/Public response to the editors of Settler Colonial Studies. (CC Gråbergs Gråa Sång.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We share some of the same. I think everytime people scream Cabal/Unblockables (I'm guilty of the latter) they tend to get partially ignored because their behavior is under a microscope for something. However, there's often a grain of truth. I'm a legacy editor and some of us are wonderful, but some legacy editors have burnt out and it comes across and its part of why AN* is a cesspool. Yes, there are the POV pushers and trolls, but there are also a lot of us (I include myself on both sides of this) hashing old grudges and it's not productive. If I'd been AWOL long enough pre COVID I'd likely never have asked for the mop back. I try not to be part of the problem, but I know I'm not always the solution either. I wish you peace with your decision and hope to still see you around. Star Mississippi 01:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Well that's the thing, isn't it, Star. The people who have good introspection are never the ones who need to have it. I can't recall ever having a problem with how you handled anything... But either way, like I said, the problem is rarely the individuals, and much more often the system we've all created. And I don't have a solution for that really, other than to back away and hope someone else fixes it eventually. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 02:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Same. I always felt your actions or lack thereof in a case were backed up by reason and logic. Star Mississippi 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Still thinking, will probably get back to you soon. The Night Watch (talk) 02:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm making a recording for you. I've never been a good speaker and it probably won't be as good as yours, but I'll try. The Night Watch (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

as a newer editor (i've only been consistently active since last august or so) and an autistic person, and as someone who loves people-watching and lurking around trying to understand the dynamics of human social capital, i've found wikipedia to be well... exactly how you describe. i have a bad habit of reading ANI (i've even got it open in a tab as i type this) & trawling through the depths of past arbcom proceedings purely out of fascination; i could point to several threads on ANI right now that are crystal-clear examples of the double standards you point out. i've even found myself falling into the mindset of "do i have enough social capital to bring this up [to ANI, etc], or should i just hope that someone else more 'senior' than i will see it too and do something about it". i really appreciate you putting this into words, and since joining i've found your willingness to speak your mind, both onwiki & on discord, refreshing.

i've never fully read through Vami's RfA nor yours, and i don't plan on it at this point, but i knew Vami for a few too-short months mostly via the discord server. i was kind of surprised when in january he offered to collaborate with me on Gates of Heaven Synagogue, as in my mind i was a lowly noob with a single GA and he an Experienced Content Writer - i recall finding out about how he'd been treated previously shortly before his death, and i guess i don't have a single solid conclusion to this thought, but it's made me reflect a lot on my short tenure here. i think we can all learn a lot from Vami, and like him, be kind and collegial regardless of early-2000s notions of social capital that still have such a grip on projectspace. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If i understood it right, you sent that to the journal. I'd be interested to hear of any response you get. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I tried at least! I used the online correction request form, about 30 minutes after I published the page on-wiki. But I didn't receive any confirmation of receipt. Maybe T&F doesn't do that? Guess we'll see. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 16:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Apparently it did make it through! ... To the help desk for all of T&F, who have now forwarded it to the journal's production team. Will keep y'all posted. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 17:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Very thoughtful analysis in both. If you're healthier and happier not being an admin, I'm glad for you that you made that choice. I 100% agree that the effects of social capital on the culture here are often dismaying. Valereee (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I want to thank you for posting this. It was thought-provoking. I took it in, yesterday, and waited a day before deciding how I wanted to reply. Most importantly, I agree with Valereee that what matters is what makes you healthier and happier. As I often say, it's only a website. The other thing that occurs to me is that a while back I wrote WP:DEFARGE out of concerns about drama boards that are at least somewhat similar to your own concerns. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I am thankful for your response, Tamzin. There were serious inaccuracies with what Mr. Keeler wrote. I have no doubt he is an amazing professor but he got his research wrong if that was his ultimate summation of Wikipedia and editors here. For a bit of clarity, Corbie and I clashed at times, usually over newbie mistakes I made in haste of trying to improve articles, in good faith, but ending up not doing so. We also clashed on ideas I think were miscommunications that, for my part, I don't think I took in consideration enough. But I loved Corbie being here as another voice. I never had an issue with her position on Indigenous topics as we generally lined up. My issue with her is found in what was discovered or was relayed in the AN discussion you started.

I took part in the discussion on Talk:Reservation Dogs where Revirvlkodlaku was being disruptive and received a block from Mark Ironie. There was never any indication Mark knew Corbie or had any connection or, despite the valid reason for a block, I would have asked for a review. Look, there may be people that don't like me here, that think I make poor arguments or have misguided positions. I accept criticism. Some may even question how real I am about my positions or who I am. But the fact is I try to show in everything, whether I am right or wrong, I am at least genuine and I stand for something. I admire that quality in others. As much as I want Corbie and IG here, and I so do (I miss them), I was floored by the information Corbie and Mark knew each other and in my view that made Mark an involved admin and he shouldn't have made the block.

You made a fine admin and your resignation, though painful to see, was understandable. I appreciated your candidness and thoroughness with what you wrote. I hope there is a response to your open letter. Tamzin, when I say I wish all health and happiness to you I mean ever single word. Thank you for your service as an admin. --ARoseWolf 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

One of the things that I liked about your on the backrooms statement is it gave an excellent description to something that came up here, where I said It is unfortunate that CTOP often serves to set a minefield for newer editors who don't know how to play the WP:GAME. and caught a ration of shit from Nyb about it. I replied, in part, with I certainly hope that I didn't come across as supporting or aspiring "playing the game" and marching in rigid formation. That's just how editing in CTOPs plays out with the sanctions regime in place, and the long-term editors in those topics know how to toe the line, and often how to get others to flinch over it. That is not good, bad, and certainly not the way things should work. However, it is the way things work. You just happened to explain it much better than I. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for both of these. And thank you from the bottom of my heart for providing a transcript of the audio file! I was very surprised by some of the things you said there. (I would never have thought you shared my distaste for being a hall monitor/prefect!) I may share my thoughts, here or in an e-mail. But I have one serious niggle about your Signpost letter that I'm going to post as a comment there. Yngvadottir (talk) 01:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I joined this site immediately after COVID lockdowns began. My mental model of Wikipedia reminds me a lot of politics and the judiciary in a democracy like in America. Social capital is sowed and reaped to enact changes, and uninvolved people make binding decisions like a judge would. I think it's a useful framework to use. It diverges with the fact that we're not really a bureaucracy or a democracy, but the roles and norms are the same. But lawyers and judges and justices following norms is something great.

No one person is capable of reading all of ANI. Users go in and out inconsistently, resulting in inconsistent outcomes. (I never considered this to present a challenge to some on the autistic spectrum, and it's worth more of my time to consider.) One useful trick I think we ought to learn from circuit courts is the randomization of assigning cases (i.e. threads) to an admin in a pool. Their specialization is to deal with these cases, and dole out decisions consistently. Likewise, some users specialize in being justices, sitting on the supreme court (an analogy I think is unassailable). Specialization matters, even here when power is so evenly-distributed.

But halfway between when I joined and now, around 2022, is when I think I started to see other editors as colleagues. Proper colleagues. I imagine everyone in a discussion as sitting around a drawing room in a mansion, fire blazing, we're all in red robes drinking wine. We're asking each other deep questions and debating to get to some truth, putting on different hats. Other times I imagine them as researchers doing their own research, as a scholar. But still colleagues. My shift to this thinking has been positive: I get less frustrated and more complacent with the wills of other people when things don't go my way. It's all culture and capital, but it's also in the eye of the beholder. I can summarily reject any cultural capital someone has accrued. And we can get more ideal outcomes that way, individually. Maybe. SWinxy (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

TFA

story · music · places

Thank you today for Capri-Sun, written together, introduced: "Capri-Sun debuted in West Germany in 1969. Since then, it has become a global brand, one made distinctive by its stand-up Doy-N-Pack pouch. Growing up, you could find a Capri-Sun in the lunchbox of that kid you hated. These days you can find them center-stage in French hip-hop culture as "the new ostentatious elixir of French rappers and gangsters". In the United States, Capri Sun is associated with wholesome things like picnics, soccer practice, and having for 16 years been licensed to one of the world's largest tobacco companies, which applied its expertise at both selling products to children and misleading the public about products' health effects, in a marketing strategy so effective that you're probably still thinking about that kid from two sentences ago. Childhood consumption of sugary beverages increased, and so did childhood obesity, but admittedly Pacific Cooler does taste great. - Initially, Tamzin and I thought this was gonna be a quick adventure – we thought we'd quickly flip a good number of soft drink articles, maybe even get a good topic. Capri-Sun quickly proved to be no insignificant task, though – it's the longest article either of us can put our names on, with every word of prose written from scratch. To our knowledge, this is the most comprehensive independent work on Capri-Sun in existence. We got it to GA in early 2023 after a couple months' work, making it one of two GAs on a soft drink and the only one on a juice beverage. Then, it just sat for a while. But after dusting off the ol' thing and giving it the last few bits it was missing, it is with much pride and added sugar that we finally push this towards the finish line. :)"! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey Tamzin! I did not see until today this was your project. I read Capri-Sun on the front page and very much enjoyed it. Nice stuff! BusterD (talk) 03:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi, Tamzin. I don't think we've ever interacted on WP but there's a first time for everything, right?

Your userpage has frankly given me a lot of pause recently. Especially your "On the backrooms" off-the-cuff essay (I read the captions instead though!) and this: if you find yourself spending more time talking about the people who write wikipedia than being one of those people, remember that you can fix that today

I indeed have found myself in that camp and I'm actually studying sociology at the moment as well... so the "social capital" of WP has taken on a much more sad meaning to me. Knowing that an ugly but I guess inevitable part of society has made its way onto this project is... yeah, pretty sad. petty. Waste of time. Pretty much WP:ANI in a nutshell. There is also literally no reason for us--for me--to not be nice to fellow editors. It's easy to bring out our 'mean' sides when a screen separates us.

I'd like to do better with my article writing and constructive contribution. And thank you for steering me (and I'm sure many others) towards the right direction, towards the things that actually MATTER. Every article makes an amazing impact for crying out loud. I always find myself on here researching things I'm studying, and oftentimes, WP beats any other lame search result Google could give me. And that is thanks to the tireless (and often thankless) hard work of editors like Vami--I'd like to be a completionist, to honor his good name with good editing... not a quarreler. — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 05:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)