User talk:Stumps/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Ernest Dowson

Just wanted to take a second to welcome you to Wikipedia. Thoughtful, fact-based questioning like yours at Ernest Dowson is much appreciated around here. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. (The Dowson article is a good place to start -- it needs some sprucing up!) If you have questions or if I can ever help you, don't hesitate to contact me. · Katefan0^(scribble) 04:37, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the encouragement. I've started by adding a little on Dowson's death, but don't have Jad Adam's book with me at the moment. I presume my addition is non-controversial. It looks like we need a page on Robert Sherard, I'll make a start on that as well. — Stumps 10:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It was just fine, not controversial at all, but it's good that you're trying to keep that in mind. Remember to be bold, but not reckless! · Katefan0^(scribble) 14:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

woody allen

I've responded to your comment on the Woody Allen page. -71.112.11.220 17:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

The Waste Land

Nice work. I'm going to look over my bookshelves this weekend and see what I can add. It would be nice to see the article end up on W:FAC. Filiocht | The kettle's on

I haven't forgotten this, just lack of time. Nice to see someone doing such good work in 20th century poetry. Filiocht | The kettle's on 11:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words and the reminder about The Waste Land ... I've been meaning to add some stuff for a while ... will do soon. —Stumps 13:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Sadly, I can give you nothing on Murin. I occasionally go to List of poets and Google a redlink name from there. Depending on what I find, I'll remove the name (vanity) or create a stub. As I was dependant on English-language Google hits, I could get very little on him. Sorry not to be of more help. Filiocht | The kettle's on 13:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Alfred Kreymborg

Bravo on your edits to uncle Alfred's page. May I inquire... what your interest in him is? XSG 05:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

It's only a general interest in artistic and literary 'scenes' and how so much of the vital activity doesn't actually come from the big names that make it onto syllabuses, but from more 'minor' figures. Somehow I noticed the page, and then discovered that he appeared in the index of a lot of the books on my shelf, and I became more and more interested as I worked on the article. — Stumps 08:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Poetry Wikiproject

The wikiproject looks inactive. Looking at the history, the last message before mine was an edit in November and the dit before that was in August. Additionally, the discussion pages look dormant with comments posted without responses. From the WikiProject page, "A Wikiproject is designed to co-ordinate the efforts of several users, and to allow a group of conceptually related pages to have similar structures and appearance." I don't see any collaboration between users... However, if you'd still like I can (or you can) remove the inactive tag on the wikiproject. Gflores ^Talk 21:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to contribute, though I seem to have a lot less time than I used to. - Poetlister 17:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I have a list of poets to do brief biographies of to start things going. E-mail me and I'll send it. - Poetlister 13:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Nabokov and Bely

Nabokov is just a dwarf compared to the genuine giants of prose like Bely and Joyce. Unfortunately, very little of the former is available online. Modern people are after cheap stuff like Bulgakov and T.S.E :) I believe his major work on poetics is Медный Всадник как диалектика ритма in which he analyzes the rythmic structure of the Bronze Horseman line by line, but even our regional library lacks the book. I enjoyed reading his Мастерство Гоголя almost as much as the last volume of his reminiscences: this is the most meticulous study of a text that I've ever seen. I even copied a table which served Bely to compare the occurence of colour epithets in all the works of Gogol. He picked up every colour epithet found in Gogol's books and compiled a chronology of Gogol's colour evolution, showing how the colours mentioned by him most frequently did reflect his psychological state at any given period of his career. There was also a detailed, memorable comparison of Karamzin's, Pushkin's and Gogol's phrase to architectural styles. P.S. My favourite English-language poets are Marvell, Hardy, and Yeats. What are your recommendations? --Ghirla | talk 23:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Bely's later works are out of print. As for the Symbolism articles, they get reprinted now and then. I even happen to own a copy but it's a hopeless task to find it among thousands volumes in my domestic library now that I move to a new house and my books are packed in boxes. When I unpack the boxes and find it, I'll let you know.

Keats, Coleridge, Frost, Auden are among my favourites, but Donne is too intellectual for my liking and I have trouble to follow his knotty syntax. By the way, I was recently surprised not to find the articles on Miss Gee and A Toccata of Galuppi's in Wikipedia. Hopefully, this will be amended soon.

As for modern Russian poetry (I think you talk about living writers), I would single out Bella Akhmadulina in Moscow and Alexander Kushner in St Petersburg, although Brodsky is obviously the most powerful voice to have emerged after WWII. By the way, I just spotted an anon's notice on Talk:Zaum and am at a loss as to how to respond. My interests lie with prose rather than poetry, so I hope you'll give a more adequate answer to his query. --Ghirla | talk 17:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Dmitri Smirnov

Thanks for your message. I have put it on the talk page of the article. I agree with your arguments and removed the notability tag from the article. Thanks for you polite and informative explanation abakharev 10:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Poetry

Yes, I'm still interested.Kdammers 10:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'd like to see a discussion of Austrian poets (esp. ca. 1890-1930). There are some good works on this subject, but I don't have access to them any more. I'd also like to see more work on classic and contemporary Korean poets. Cross-reading poetry, children's' poetry (what's there now is a pittance and only about one side of the coin), and Ethiopian (ahmharic/Ge'ez) poetry (I only could find an article on Tsegaye Gabre-Medhin) are areas I'd like to see developed. I would like to see the articles on e-poetry and the sonnet improved or expanded. Kdammers 04:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Stumps: As I mentioned above, I do not currently have access to works of Austrian poets. If we can't activate some-one with access to a good german-language library, i can try searching on the Internet, including the German Wik. Kdammers 07:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I just scanned through the German Wik, and the only poet I found listed was Lorenz Leopold Haschka, (1749 - 1827). Well, that's a start. Here are some others from various sources on the Net - but I don't know most of them and cannot vouch for their importance. Wolfgang Bauer (contemporary); Hans Carl Artmann (June 12 1921 - December 4 2000), Ingeborg Bachmann (June 25, 1926 - October 17, 1973) (She, of course, is very well known but is already in Wik.}, Erich Fried (1921-88 - Well, I've heard of him - he's noteworthy), Franz Seraphicus Grillparzer (January 15, 1791 - January 21, 1872), Enst Jandl (very clever dadaist), Peter Rosegger (31 July 1843 - 26 June 1918), Adalbert Stifter (23 October 1805 - 28 January 1868), Georg Trakl (February 3, 1887 - November 3, 1914 - a leading poet). Also: Nikolaus Lenau (Britannica online), Diane Broeckhoven, Paul Celan (very famous - probably in Wik, but I can't check while working in this text-box), Zedlitz, Joseph Christian von (1790-1862), Stefan Zweig (very famous dramatist who also wrote some poetry the quality and importance of which I cannot say), Lilian Faschinger (contemporary), Friederike Mayröcker (contemp. leading experimentalist; Jandl's companion?), Raoul Schrott (contemp.), Peter Waterhouse (contemp.), Josef Weinheber (Britan. online), Evelyn Schlag (contemp.), Noebius (19th century). Unfortunately, I didn't come across more than one or two of my favorites from around the turn of the century - and I can't recall their names. There is a book of 'forgotten Austrian poets,' if I'm not mistaken. This would be a good source to check.

Poetry

Thanks for the message. I'd love to help the project as much as i can. I've had little time on my hands until recently, but i'd love to join you back now. Please count me in!--Wikipedius 20:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

New Formalism

Actually, only admins can protect pages. You (or someone involved with that article) need to put a request up here. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 10:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem. :) It's a common thing. I really wish they would restrict the adding of the template to just admins but. Oh well. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 12:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Jacopone da Todi

Hi Stumps, i have created an article about Jacopone da Todi. Jacopone is Umbria's greatest religious poet after St. Francis and i would like to turn it into a great article, but i am afraid my linguistic and technical skills are limited. Maybe a native speaker can give it a look? --Wikipedius 21:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, it is floor, not ceiling, it was my mistake, not the sources'. I reviewed the text and answered your questions as best as i could on the discussion page. Jacopone/Iacopone is a mystic and his position is uncompromising: hell/heaven, black/white, no middle ground, no Purgatory, he believes in predestination. This is his simple philosophy. --Wikipedius 22:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

More from Paustin

I'd be glad to help more with the new Formalism article. Contact me and let me know how I can help. I could make a draft and send it to you. Paul Austin 02:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Formalism

I've put in a replyBanana.girl 09:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Great work with the formalism article! As I just said on the talk page, I'm just doing some research into it tonight and tommorow I will do heaps of work on it - I have no assignments (bar a 500 word rationale which should take an hour!). So I will get my research done and start writing tommorow! Thanks again and great work! Banana.girl 11:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Poetry Project

Yes, that would be great. I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute, but if there's something small and specific, perhaps I could help with that. Evan Donovan 13:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Turkish literature peer review

Hello. I've noticed that you have an interest in literature (specifically, poetry), and that is why I am leaving you a message. I have recently entirely rewritten the Turkish literature article with a view to getting it up to Featured Article status, and have placed the article up for peer review. If you could possibly take the time to look at and review the article, I would greatly appreciate it. If not, thank you for taking the time to read this message. Saposcat 10:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Poetry Project

Thanks for the welcome to the poetry project. My areas of interest are pretty broad, I suppose: obviously Turkish poetry (which, by the way, is fairly woefully represented on Wikipedia at the moment—something I hope to have a hand in correcting), but also French poetry of the 19th and 20th centuries (currently I'm hoping to expand, in particular, on Henri Michaux, a particular favorite), poetic form(s), and probably some other random stuff as well.

As for what I'd like to see the project achieve, I think one of its most noble goals (if you will) is one that, as far as I can tell, it already has: structural standardization of poetry-related articles. Besides that, I haven't thought about it too much, but of course I'll let you know if anything comes to mind.

Also, thanks for the quick response (and compliments) about the Turkish literature article. I realize its length is probably a bit excessive, but (as I said on its talk page and also on its peer review), until such time as the offshoot articles get expanded upon (another pet project of mine), it's about the only detailed thing going in the way of Turkish literature on Wikipedia; hence, it's really long (though still just under that 50KB upper limit).

Thanks again. Saposcat 12:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Goodluck

It should be enough time to contribute. We get 2 and 1/2 hours prep (study) which is compulsery in either classrooms or the computers above so it really should be fine!! It definetly will be fine on weekends too as I am coming home! Banana.Girl 20:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Don't worry - my work on wikipedia can continue! I am now staying at home!Banana.Girl 06:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, we realised what I had at where I am is great - but all these people got me presents. I felt quite bad bout that!!!Banana.Girl 11:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Page move for Fernanda sena

When moving a page to a different title, please use the "move" tab at the top of the screen (between "history" and "watch"). If you just do a cut and paste, as you did on this article, the edit history on the page doesn't get carried over. If you use the "Move" function, the history gets moved along with the page. Fan1967 14:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Poetry portal

I was wondering if you could help me out on the poetry portal. My formatting skills are nonexistent, so right now it is in a state of disarray. Thanks Adambiswanger1 16:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you doing what I think you're doing?

And setting up a full blown poetry time-line? That is one enormous project. Sam 16:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to add a few where I can. I wouldn't mind having a few more centuries to work with (or even Millenia, as I've been on a bit of a tear through the ancients and medievals of late). Sam 21:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I've gotten back to this and done some work on awards in recent years. Could you look at the years from 2003 in poetry through 2005 in poetry, and see if you see other awards we should add to the list. It is going to be much easier to set up and do once than to add bits and pieces later on. Thanks, Sam 01:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

3rd century in poetry

I've put on a speedy tag on the page you created for 3th century in poetry for the typo and created a new page 3rd century in poetry instead. Dweller 11:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

3th century in poetry

I saw that on CSD, but it was gone before I could act and I can't find it in the history. What parameter did you pass that made this happen? - Mgm|^(talk) 12:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, I see now. Never mind. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Poetry FAC

I've put the Poetry article up as a Featured Article Candidate, and one of the comments was that more cites and references are needed. I've been adding a bunch of my favorites, and sticking in cites where I have them, but the article could profit from others' perspectives. If you could chip in a bit, I'd appreciate it. I'd also like to get your views on the Poetic Forms section, where it's been suggested that the section either be lengthened or refactored. Thanks, Sam 13:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Bill Shakespeare

You know, I didn't even notice they were center-aligned. That's great, and if I see any in need of left-alignment, I'll do the same. Thanks. AdamBiswanger1 16:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Poetry portal

I'm not sure exactly how that works-- So, we just add what we would like to be the next featured _______, and when the month changes it is incorporated automatically? AdamBiswanger1 16:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It's too good to be true. Looks like a good system. Thanks for your help. AdamBiswanger1 18:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Quality storyboard

Thank you for catching the PDSA article link. I didn't notice that the link didn't lead to the Shewhart cycle article. PDSA should have a redirect to PDCA, Shewhart cycle, Deming cycle. I am new to Wikipedia and don't know how to work with redirects. There is a difference between PDSA and PDCA. Study is used to maintain the original intent of Dr. Shewhart in the cycle being a learning method based on the Scientific Method. Check implies only that the desired results occurred and that potential learning may be overlooked. The origin of Shewhart's concept is in epistemology and the work of C. I. Lewis. Shewhart was presenting a theory of knowledge. The Shewhart cycle article doesn't cover these issues and needs some work. There are some issues on OR as the history of the differences has not had much coverage. Shewhart never used PDCA which seems to have originated in Japan in the 1950s/1960s. Shewhart did not use PDSA. Deming insisted on PDSA as opposed to PDCA to focus on Shewhart's original intent of learning. To add to the confusion some call the cycle the Deming cycle. Deming never used that term as he always called it the Shewhart cycle. Leaders100 20:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

July language corner

A few ideas for the language corner: the Alliterative verse is a very good and substantive article. In the short but sweet category, there has been recent work on Villanelle and I was looking at the article on Nabokov's Notes on Prosody and thought they were interesting. Sam 13:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

If you just leave a bit of input on what direction you think this should head in, so I don't feel like I'm totalling taking it over, I can then set up the next coupld months. Sam 14:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Poetry portal

Looks like our beloved Poetry portal is having formatting issues. Any idea on how to fix the problem? I'm clueless. AdamBiswanger1 18:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Your work on Vincent van Gogh has been totally sweet and made reading the article enjoyable. I look forward to seeing it on Peer Review whenever you finish with your improvements. Ashibaka tock 05:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Great, your recent editing &c. --R.P.D. 22:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Goupil&Cie

I am still too green to insert a link on the Van Gogh-page to the Musée Goupil with a good and useful documentation (http://www.culture.gouv.fr/GOUPIL/FILES/GOUPIL_CIE.html). Thank you,--R.P.D. 23:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Van Gogh chronology

Just wanted to say what a good idea this is. Tyrenius 13:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you are right, and I hope this idea will spread to all major biographies. It very useful and a clear way to show differences between secondary sources. Well done! I want to acknowledge my admiration for this so I've awarded you a barnstar. Tyrenius 19:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		Brilliant idea for the Vincent van Gogh chronology. Every major bio should have one. Tyrenius 19:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hols

Have a good break. Vincent will miss your attentions... Tyrenius 09:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Has RPD been having recurrent problems? Could he get rid of his toolbar? Do you have time to leave a message on that link you sent me? Tyrenius 09:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really up on the teccy side. Anyhow, the previous version is still in the history, so it's not a disaster. If he can't fix it, I will or someone else will for the time being. I'll tell him. Happy hols again. Tyrenius 11:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for advice. As far as I see, everything works again. I'll keep my hands of the first section of the chronology, until you are back. --R.P.D. 22:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a Sunflower

(you know why, don't you) for your advice and support. Today I've slightly expanded the Gachet page, and I hope you'll like it. Thanks again, --R.P.D. 00:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

See Wikipedia:Peer review/Vincent van Gogh/archive1 Tyrenius 23:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Van Gogh notes and references

Welcome back! I have problems with several notes refering to books which are not on my shelf. Thus I cannot verify many notes, especially in the Vincent van Gogh biography. --R.P.D. 15:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Consultant linkspamming

Hi. Thanks for removing link spam from kaizen, lean manufacturing, 5S, Just in Time, etc., etc. Those areas (quality control and related) are constantly plagued by consultants trying to drive business to their websites. I wonder if you wouldn't mind chiming in on the discussion of the phenomenon under Promotional links at Lean manufacturing? Thanks again. Ehusman 11:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry,

I realy did not want to disturb you, while editing...--R.P.D. 21:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Eve Laurence

Hey, I see you cautioned User:71.200.191.68 about linkspam. Was that specifically about the official fanlisting he keeps adding in? If so, it's continuing... Tabercil 01:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Poetry portal

So I started a list of collaborators at the Poetry portal talk page, and I encourage you to add your name. My goal is to achieve featured portal status sometime soon, and your help would be greatly appreciated. AdamBiswanger1 02:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Callow et alt.

I don't have Callow, Erickson, Gayford - and Arnold (I guess reference is to Wilfried N. - not to Matthias). I have the German translation of Wilfried N. differing in pagination, but I'll get along, if my guess is right. (Is this English, probably not!) Anyway, I would propose links to a letter, if information comes from such a unique, identifiable source. On the other hand, links to an author or an individual opinion should refer to a book or an essay.

In the VG timeline I've already fixed those links, where the source was obvious. For the rest, I count on your support.

In the main text it's much more difficult for me, to verify the sources, and probably more important in the end, to see if they are valid. This applies especially to Ken Wilkie: Not one source is given, though it's easy to show that his "interviews" mainly recall information published years and decades before, and his further "discoveries" have been toned down in serious recent publications. Wilkie is a journalist, sex & crime are his business - I wasted much time with people like him.

You see it's good that you are back. And by the way, your VG-template is brilliant. --R.P.D. 20:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Dafoeberezin3494

No problem with the Van Gogh template! I trust my template-making ability more than my writing style, so I don't know how much I can help on the actual Vincent van Gogh article. If I can just let me know!

You guys are doing an excellent job on the van Gogh article. I've never seen the book by Wilkie so I can't comment on it, but that seems to be the snag for you guys getting that page to FA status. Good luck and thanks again! Dafoeberezin3494 04:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

VG footnotes

Do you know your way around the coding here? I'm not too sure. By the way, Footnotes, refs and External links are all usually == level headings. Tyrenius 10:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what the 2 columns is/are. It doesn't seem to show any different result from not having that particular bit of coding present. Tyrenius 15:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't work in IE6 which I have. Also screen resolution does strange thing to layout. Wiki seems designed to work best on a low screen resolution. Tyrenius 15:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Bullfight

Started, but then I saw that you were evidently working on it. Sorry, please continue. --RPD 01:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

VG template

I agree that the best thing would be to add all the articles to the template and not bother with "see also" for them. Tyrenius 08:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

Stumps, those quotes you added (by Porter and Geoffrey Hill) really smacked some sense into me--exactly the advice I needed-- So what led you to add these two quotes on the same subject? AdamBiswanger1 20:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. Can you provide the link? Tyrenius 03:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've done some work on poetry, including Liverpool poets, The Medway Poets, The Mersey Sound and T. S. Eliot. You might be interested in liaising with User:Poetlister if you're not in touch already. Tyrenius 06:15, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Herbert translations

Thanks for your message. If you have any reference to the Milosz' translations, please let me know. AFAIK, the Miłosz and Herbert were conflicted for years, so it would be very interesting to have a source for that work (and the deleted line would became significant!). Best, --Beaumont 11:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Great job, thanks! BTW, when I find some sources I'll try to add Miłosz-Herbert controversy. AFAIK it started after 1989, so I should not have been so suspicious about the translations. Best Beaumont 13:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

"Minor" and "major" writers

My thanks for your good work in reverting edits made today by Uberall. You may be interested in my exchange with this user at Talk:Karen Connelly.Victoriagirl 16:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I, too, have come to suspect that User:Uberall and User:AnthonyHead are one and the same. Whether one person or two, the intent seems fairly obvious: an attack on Connelly (and Aritha van Herk, for that matter). I must add that the controversy over the Governor General's Award doesn't ring true. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled. Victoriagirl 04:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Moi aussi. Merci beaucoup pour le message. Tyrenius 11:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

See User:Tyrenius/Sockpuppets of Anthony Head and User:Anthony Head. Tyrenius 05:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tyrenius 08:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Template talk:Vincent van Gogh

I've started a discussion on the template. Tyrenius 01:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Karen Connelly - Aritha van Herk connection

I've just left a message with Tyrenius noting his recent edit to Karen Connelly. I've edited Aritha van Herk for the very same reasons. You'll note that the passages I deleted were written by User:Uberall. Thought you'd like to know. Victoriagirl 17:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Footnote problem

For a short-term solution, add ?action=purge to the URL and reload. See this discussion. A purge creates a new cached copy of the article on the WP servers, see WP:PURGE. Gimmetrow 09:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem "went away" because I forced a "purge" on the page as described above. Gimmetrow 09:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Poetry portal

Hey stumps. Any idea what is going on with the poetry portal? The columns are out of wack, which is a bit of a problem considering I plan to nominate it for featured status soon. If you could help me out that would be great (I'm an idiot when it comes to formatting) AdamBiswanger1 20:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Stumps, you're the best. Look for the portal to be nominated for featured status in the coming future, maybe even today. AdamBiswanger1 22:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Not to pester you, but your vote of approval at Featured Portal Candidates would probably put the Poetry Portal over the top. For whatever reason featured portal candidates receives minimal attention and it is difficult to reach a concensus. AdamBiswanger1_{R.I.P. Steve Irwin} 16:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Paul Cassirer

Thank you for starting this page, I really couldn't do it. - RPD 23:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: MoMA links on van Gogh page

I appreciate your thoughtful comments on the appropriateness of the MoMA links on the van Gogh page and how I might best be able to contribute quality material to the site. Thanks! Jmaldonado 02:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips and telling me what I was doing wrong in Wikipedia. By the way, how do I add those things in the right side of my user page? Liist 22:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hey, I noticed you posted the following question on the talk page of a copyright article: "from http://www.wurzergallery.com/artist/muller.html. I'm not sure of the procedure yet." The way to do it is add {{db-copyvio|(URL of the original material that was copied)}}, which, in this case would have been {{db-copyvio|http://www.wurzergallery.com/artist/muller.html)}}. You can read more about speedy deletion and copyright violations here. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 07:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the article as a copyvio. Please let me know if you spot any more. Tyrenius 13:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

American punctuation

Re: your puzzlement by the summary of my recent edit to Melbourne

According to this putting punctuation marks within inverted commas when they are not part of the quote is the American style. It's interesting that you write that you are "pretty sure that at least in older editions of the Australian government Style Manual it was specified that commas should go inside the quotes." I'm not aware of any non-American style guides ever to recommend this ... however, I'm not exactly the World's leading expert on style guides.

You write that you "too happen to prefer the comma outside". That makes three of us: you, I and Wikipedia's Manual of Style. You write that "it seems more logical". It is more logical ... it's logical whereas the alternative is not. This, as far as I can make out, is why Manual of Style along with most of the World minus the USA (or so I thought) prefers it.

You write that "The labelling of this style of punctuation as 'American' also struck" you "as a bit antagonistic." All right, fair call. In future edit summaries I'll refrain from labelling it as such. Instead I'll just do what I usually do and either mark the edit as minor (which it really is) or not that I'm editing to comply with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. --Jimp 05:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: You thank me for the detailed reply.

No worries. You mention going back home. I too am away (Japan). Where are you now? (If you don't mind my asking.) --Jimp 08:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Camille Claudel

I think Camille Claudel had a forced abortion. Do you agree with me? 200.227.74.81 13:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Herbert

Thaks for your message. Yes, these are words of Herbert; once he gave a talk at an "Odra" meeting. Then the text was included as a preface to a volume of his poetry ("golden hardback edition" by Państwowy Instytut Wydawniczy, one of major Polish editors).

With the PL template you could be interested in the original text. I'll post it here as soon as I'm back home. I included my own translation (should I mention it in that case as editor's translation?). Feel free to adjust the text (translation wasn't so evident, you'll see!) and, if you find it useful, to improve the description of the source. Best, Beaumont 11:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Here it is: Otóż nie mając pretensji do nieomylności, a wypowiadając tylko moje predylekcje, chciałbym powiedzieć, że najbardziej w poezji współczesnej podobają mi się te wiersze, w których dostrzegam coś, co nazwałbym cechą przeźroczystości semantycznej (termin zapożyczony z logiki Husserlowskiej). Owa przeźroczystość semantyczna jest to własność znaku polegająca na tym, że w czasie używania go uwaga jest skierowana na przedmiot oznaczony i sam znak nie zatrzymuje na sobie uwagi. Słowo jest oknem na rzeczywistość Best, Beaumont 19:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks great! thanks for your work. Beaumont 16:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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Gerald Murnane

I've removed the 2006 Nobel reference from Gerald Murnane's page as he didn't win and the nomination was not "official". Jenny Sinclair 11:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, I moved Paul Sérusier to where it should be, but I discovered a bigger problem: the article seems to be a copyvio from [1], which doesn't look like a Wikipedia mirror. Since you seem knowledgeable about the area, you might be interesting in rewriting the article from scratch and attributing the sources properly or resolving the situation anyway. Regards, Duja 09:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Romanization of Cyrillic

I'm undecided on what romanization and what phonetics are necessary. Initially, I argued that because the article title was likely to be a common romanization, it would be useful to have a standard one (I was using the UN one) after the Cyrillic transcription, but someone's gone round quite a few of my articles and removed it. I can understand the argument that it just clutters the article, and you're only likely to read the standard romanization if you can read Cyrillic in the first place, therefore rendering it unnecessary. So perhaps the romanization can go, except in cases where the title is not a romanization of any sort, e.g. "Ural Mountains" or something. As for IPA, I don't know how to enter IPA, so I've never been able to edit any of those. I can read IPA for languages with which I'm familiar, but I wouldn't be much help on Russian, I'm afraid. What do you think about abandoning standard romanization altogether? DTOx 03:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

John Milton

No, I actually semiprotected it (I'm an admin). NawlinWiki 15:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Munch

I think if you've removed/rewritten any copyvio material, that should be OK now, but I'm not an expert on it, so check with someone else if you want. Tyrenius 15:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Blank Verse

I notice you reverted my intro essay on blank verse. True, it strayed off the definition. Guilty! But is the reversion much better? Notice all the history still in the intro. Anyway, be that as it may, it stung me that you mocked my reference to an English department document. Since when is a university publication — conveniently online — invalid? Perhaps my style of citation is too busy (again, guilty!), but cite we must, otherwise this Wikipedia can easily degenerate into a forum for lame or loony opinions. But maybe the standard footnotes, which make the text so choppy, can be replaced with something more graceful. Suggestions? — Jrmccall 22:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

See my talk page for a reply to your reply there. — Jrmccall 23:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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newcastle

given that the first thing i thgt was what do i know about newcaste on tyne? no i can't help much on that one:) checked the newc. council website, nothing. i've had this prob with a few other prizes, i guess they just forget to do their publicity properly. (i noticed on their site, at least as far as i cld see, they don't even say exactly what it's for) the only thing that just occured to me then was emailing them directly, might try this sometime. good luck w/ it.

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Jump right in if you've got time!

You asked on my Talk page:

I've finally got around to seeing your suggestion on the Poetry project about refining stubs, and have posted some ideas there. Are you going to proceed with this, or should I make a start? Stumps 08:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I just started a full-time job (while continuing my part-time one), so I'm unlikely to have the time for Wikipedia that I had in previous months. If you've got ideas, by all means, go for it; if you'll leave me a note after you create some stubs, I'll try to work on it from time to time when I get the itch to do some wikiwork. :) Lawikitejana 03:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Zum schwarzen Ferkel

When I noticed you editing Dagny Juel and creating an article on Adolf Paul yesterday, I hurried to post an old sketch for an article on Zum schwarzen Ferkel, in order not to let you beat me to it. :-)

I know some names are still missing, such as Bengt Lidforss, but I wanted to work them into the narrative rather than just making a list. Anyway, if you can add anything, you are welcome to do so. Everything I now have there is from the two articles + captions in the referenced Exhibition catalogue, but I haven't yet put in footnotes. Upp◦land 21:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Pre-Columbian what-have-you

Hi. I see you reverted my change of 'aka' in one of the headings of Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact. I must admit I didn't check to see if it was directly linked from elsewhere; apologies if that was the nature of the gaffe. Assuming otherwise, I'd like to explain the rationale of my change a little more clearly than my admittedly rather glib edit summary did: I felt that 'aka' was a little too colloquial, and possibly not entirely clear to all readers ... Wiktionary, for example, gives the correct usage as A.K.A. which would be clearer, but I still feel it is not necessary to use this abbreviation at all, bearing in mind that we should of course explain jargon, even where (or perhaps especially where) the jargon is incidental to the topic of the article. I had thought 'and' was an adequate alternative as it is indeed only a hypothesis that the two names refer to the same person, but other possibilities include the full 'also known as' or perhaps the word 'alias'. Quoting from WP:BETTER#Think_of_the_reader ... "Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia. The people who read it have different backgrounds, education and worldview from you. Try to make your article accessible to as many of them as possible." I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this. Stumps 14:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, sorry, I entirely missed your comment from several weeks back. I hadn't meant to revert your "and" back to "aka", I only meant to remove a randomly-inserted "C.E." I'm not sure what happened. You're quite right, I don't think "A.K.A." or any variant should be used; it's not very encyclopedic and potentially confusing. I changed it to and. Thanks for pointing it out, it's the little things that make the difference!--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

1913 in poetry discussion

Hi,

Thanks for your compliment and comments. I cut and pasted them and another comment and my response to the Talk:List of years in poetry page. Thanks for the input. Noroton 17:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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Starry Night

Hi Stumps! A late remark on one of your earlier edits: You are absolutely right, so I have corrected the entry. --RPD 00:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for your thoughts

Hi Stumps!

Thanks for your contributions to the Years in poetry pages -- was it you that started those pages? I stand on the shoulders of a giant!

If you have the time and the inclination, please take a look at a discussion I'm trying to start at the bottom of the List of years in poetry talk page about what's important enough to include in the Events sections. I titled that section "What's important enough for the "Events" sections? Some ideas for discussion". Your thoughts would be welcome. Best, Noroton 01:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

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Hill

Hi Stumps - I do have a named account. It's ZephyrAnycon. I just wasn't logged in when I made that contribution. Why is Tiptoety saying my edits were not 'constructive'? I find that unbelievable: obviously all my edits were made in constructive spirit, if they did not conform to Wikipedia policy by the letter. It surprises & saddens me that anything of what I added to that page might be dubbed 'vandalism'. Does Tiptoety have any sense of what is good writing, and what isn't?

Stumps, Geoffrey Hill's a tricky one. There's a lot of criticism & little 'research'. No biography, for example. Question is: why is citing the opinions of critics much more encyclopedic than original research? Many poetry articles here tend to be anthologies of the standard critical arguments, & the proportion of representation of one view to others, even the order in which they're put, is as easily conducive to tendentiousness as the publication of (important distinction) unreferenced but well-evidenced criticism. Best way forward I think would be a chronological account of his career, describing the contents & notable details of each book &, crucially, quoting lines of poetry from them. Because to let the reader decide for herself is to escape bias, right? —ZephyrAnycon 01:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I was wading not drowning :)

And I think the importance of judicious & succinct quotation in poetry articles cannot be emphasised enough. —ZephyrAnycon 06:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Having thought about it, I don't think it'd be a good idea to devote an article to each of his books. Are there policy guidelines relating to this as well? I think it would be very much preferable to make a detailed account of the books the beef or centerpiece of the main article. They don't yet or we don't yet know if they warrant their own pages, though I congratulate for your work on Without Title. —ZephyrAnycon 00:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Imagism

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Hi Stumps, I nominated Imagism for a FA review due to its lack of in-line citations. You're one of the major contributors, so I thought I'd let you know. It only mentions one of the authors listed in the reference section. I trust it and its' well-written, but the information should be sourced. Thanks for your work on the article.-DMCer 16:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, and I'll chip in some cites. I've been busy, and only check in on wiki once a week or so to make sure no untoward deleting or wholesale damage is being done, so I appreciate the note. A Musing 14:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Imagism

Sorry, despite all the edits I've made to poetry articles, I don't have either the knowledge or resources to add substantively to the article. I did some style editing to one section and I might do a bit more of that, but it won't really help with adding sources. My focus with poetry articles has been largely grunt work. I'll look among what books I have to see if any are on the References list or if I have something that could be used for citations, but probably not. Best of luck with it. Noroton 20:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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˘   ⋀     ˘    ⋀      ˘     ⋀  ˘   ⋀  ˘    ⋀

But SOFT! What LIGHT through YONder WINdow BREAKS?

My reasoning is to do with an actor glancing at a page quickly and facilitating an intuitive apprehension, mostly. I know it's probably not the most widespread notation in the academy.

Do you have strong feelings either way? I thought I'd hold off on an edit until I'd run it by you.

Regards, DionysosProteus 01:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I don't really have a sense of how widely/narrowly the different systems are used, so ictus and breve sounds like the best candidate. I've been slowly trying to unpack the intro in a way that doesn't demand separate articles for classical/English use; will put it up shortly. Regards, DionysosProteus 12:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. I've not yet got to the notation thing, but I've had a stab at re-working the intro to make it more 'general-user' friendly. When you get a moment, it'd be good to hear any comments, or if you're up for it, see it improved. Thanks, DionysosProteus 03:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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I disagree [2]. If anybody H.D. should be pictured in the lead. What do you think? Ceoil 12:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll head for the libary, and I'll talk to you then. Best. Ceoil 12:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hello again

I haven't been editing much in poetry areas recently: other, mainly historical topics have come up. I have been sorting out my books, though, and this is bringing some older articles to my attention. I'm glad to see you've been keeping up the good work. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear from you again. I always seem to be sorting out my books, due to the relationship between search time, number of books, and space available. Stumps (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Peter Russell (poet) would be worth an article: he has an issue of Agenda dedicated to him, which cropped up (double-stacking!) - so notable. I can't quite place him. What do you think? Charles Matthews (talk) 11:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely worth an article - I'll make a start soon. Stumps (talk) 10:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

And how are we doing on J. Milton (b. 1608)? I keep on coming across aspects of Milton, since I work on the 17th century. Because of the anniversary there is plenty about him here in Cambridge, including Geoffrey Hill talking. Christopher Ricks on Wednesday. These lectures get to be podcasts on the Christ's College website. Anyway, I haven't looked around at the main articles, just worked around the edges. (I smiled inwardly when Hill read the sonnet where Colkitto was mentioned.) Charles Matthews (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear, the Milton article is a bit disappointing. It'll have to go on my Zeno-like to-do list. Stumps (talk) 10:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, John Milton does need working over. I'll try referencing and copy-editing. There seem also to be structural issues. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm now working over the Milton article, but as usual there are other topics that need writing (his vicar in Bread Street, a book). I wanted to broach Jacobean/Caroline poets in general with you. We have terms like "metaphysical", "Sons of Ben", and Cavalier poet, religious poet for that period. Last time I looked, the whole idea that you had metaphysical and religious on one side, secular and follower of Jonson and cavalier on the other, seemed to be fairly worthless as an explanation. So what do we have as survey in this area? We obviously need to get current scholarly opinion on the labels into focus. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I haven't had a chance to get to Milton yet - been diverted into making a start on Peter Russell (poet) - re 17C ... I'll get a reading pile together; I recall that Alastair Fowler in his intro to the New Oxford Book talks about at least the need for the addition of a school around Michael Drayton to include William Drummond of Hawthornden and George Wither and a few others. I'll look into this. (BTW, I see Tribe of Ben redirects to Cavalier poet and not Sons of Ben (literary group) which is a separate entry, what a mess.) Stumps (talk) 20:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the "Tribe", at least. See also Milton comments elsewhere.[3] Charles Matthews (talk) 11:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I was working on Andrew Marvell just now. For Milton, the big missing element seems now to be the first century or so of critical reception. That wouldn't be so hard to add, I think. There is obviously a huge amount on the various editions, and (particularly) the illustrators. That sounds like a separate article, really. Also the Blake influence is pretty interesting to pin down. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

George Wither: yes, just about everything to do there, certainly. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed ... it's now on my list. And I'm thinking we might need a separate article on the Spenserians ... who was it who said they might as well be called the (Du) Bartasians?? Stumps (talk) 11:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 00:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Powow River Poets

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Delete:Article Contains no non-trivial source to justify notability, all internet searches provide either press releasaes or trival coverage by blogs or local publications of readings, meetings, etc. Mrathel (talk) 18:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. —Mrathel (talk) 18:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
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• Keep - much of the news material are event announcements, but the event announcements are rather long and are usually done like that for groups that are significant. More importantly, there are a couple of non-event announcement articles such as this substantial article from the Boston Globe and this review of their anthology. At the very least, it could be merged to Rhina Espaillat, but there are sufficient sources to support a stand-alone article. -- Whpq (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• comment perhaps you can clarify on those suggested links; the first one does not work for me and the second does not bring up a review. Event announcements are not non-trivial in nature unless they provide verifiable information about the subject from a valid source. I stared the AfD because even in the long event announcements I could not find any information that would make the subject notable. Mrathel (talk) 16:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Reply - the first link is a link to the Boston globe, a major newspaper. Unfortunately, between the time I reviewed the article, and now, it appears that they have taken it off their site. It was a fairly long article where the Powow Poets were the main subject and proving some depth of coverage. The second link is through AccessMyLibrary which requires registration. It is a short book review of an anthology of poems from the Powow Poets. -- Whpq (talk) 17:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Reply I believe the article from the Globe can be found here. And this is a reference from a non-trivial source. However, it would take more than this to meet the criteria from WP:Creative. Notability must be derrived from a conglomeration of information from non-trivial sorces such as this one, and I fear that this Globe article may be the result of the fact that it was local. Is there any way you can perhaps paste some of the information from the AccessMyLibrary review on my talk page? Mrathel (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
    • sorry it seems that the article doesn't enjoy being linked to:)Mrathel (talk)
      • Reply - With respect to the Globe article, the reason for it may be that the group is "local", but the as a major metropolitan daily, they won't just write up any old group. There is an editorial process that reviews and determines what makes it into the paper. That's why we use it as a reliable source to establish notability. AS such, the localness of the group isn't really relevant. As for the AccessMyLibrary link, it's a short article and access is free. You just need to register. I used my library card and accessed the text. -- Whpq (talk) 18:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
• comment edited this page to fix the Boston Globe links. Verified them to work. Wiseleo (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 10:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:ORG. Stifle (talk) 10:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete No reliable sources prove notability.--Sloane (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - I've found at least one substantial writeup so I don't think it is fair to say there are no sources. But it could be argued that there is insufficient sources to demonstrate notability. However, there is an alternative to deletion and that is to merge the material to the groups founder as I mentioned above. -- Whpq (talk) 21:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment - e-mailed Newburyport Art Association (the group's meetings host) to request further samples of media coverage. Wiseleo (talk) 03:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• comment the problem with merging with the group's creator is that the other article's only source is a publication by the powow river poets. To say that there is insufficient coverage on the topic is, as far as I can tell from having spent almost an hour searching my university library and the internet, correct. I have no problem merging this article with the Rhina Espaillat article if notability for the author can be established. If she is indeed the "most prominent translator of the poetry of Robert Frost into Spanish" as the article suggests without giving sources, that should not be hard. Mrathel (talk) 16:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• Keep and move discussion about merge to the article's talk apge. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
• Comment - Received reply to my inquiry from Newburyport Art Association... It's very lengthy as below (You will note that this was provided by Rhina P. Epsaillat into whose article Mrathel is proposing to merge this group :)):Wiseleo (talk) 00:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Knyshov,

The notability of the Powow River Poets as a literary entity rests on two claims:

1) As a workshop composed of some twenty-four members, the Powow River Poets includes individuals whose poems have collected a wildly disproportionate number of the nation's significant poetry awards. To give just a few highlights, of the total of eleven Richard Wilbur Awards so far, five have been won by Powows (Krisak, Espaillat, Juster, Nicol, and Warren); of the nine New Criterion Awards, two have been won by Powows (Coyle and Warren); of the fifteen Howard Nemerov Prize winners, eight have been Powows (Juster three times, Espaillat twice, Warren, Crawford and Scaer once each); one has won the T. S. Eliot Prize (Espaillat). According to the judges of those competitions, as well as several seasoned critics and reviewers, the group comprises some of the best poets--particularly formal poets--writing in this country today.

2) Since 1994, the group has brought distinguished poets with national reputations to read for local audiences, through the Powow River Poets Reading Series, which has hosted scores of the nation's best-known poets, including Dana Gioia, X. J. Kennedy, A. E. Stallings, Tim Murphy, Richard Moore, Gail White, Robert Shaw, Lewis Turco, Diana Der-Hovanessian, David Mason, Leslie Monsour, Erika Funkhouser, and two former Laureates, Richard Wilbur and William Jay Smith.

Several are also noted translators: Krisak and Juster have published book-length translations of Horace, Ovid and Petrarch; various members have published translations from French, German, Spanish, Tagalog, Portuguese and Swedish; one is translating the best-known poems by Robert Frost into Spanish. The group is well known, and highly regarded, by poets throughout the country, who perceive them as something of a poetic phenomenon. X. J. Kennedy's introduction to the group's anthology conveys that, as did the panel devoted to the achievements of the group, presented at the West Chester University Poetry Conference on June 9, 2006. Members of the group have participated in every one of the West Chester University Poetry Conferences for years, as conferees, panelists, speakers and faculty. Powows have also participated in the yearly Newburyport Literary Festival held in April, and in last year's first Massachusetts Poetry Festival, held in Lowell in October, on televised literary interviews and other events at various literary gatherings in many states.

Possibly the best way to gauge the notability of the organization is to learn about some of its current active members, listed below:

David Berman

Bill Coyle

Robert Crawford

Rhina P. Espaillat

A. M. Juster

Len Krisak

Alfred Nicol

Stephen Scaer

Deborah Warren

I hope that what I've told you is helpful. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely, Rhina P. Espaillat

• Comment - One course of action could be to perhaps persuade Rhina to publish this information on the group's site so we can cite it accordingly? Wiseleo (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, Stumps. I happened upon this note about diverging scansion styles, and have put in my 2 cents. I thought you'd like to know, in case you weren't watching the page. Happy Shakespeare's Birthday Observed! Phil wink (talk) 23:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I've begun notes here [see now this -pw] for an updated scansion style sheet. I'll let you decide where it should go in the short term. I'm certainly not going to start altering the standards of a wikigroup (of which I'm not even a member!) without some consensus -- though I fear at this point consensus might merely be what you and I happen to agree on. So I see 3 possibilities:

1. It stays in my sandbox until ready, meanwhile we alert the talk page to go there and comment/edit. Possible risk: it will seem too private (though that is not the intent) and people could be discouraged from contributing.
2. I paste it into the talk page, which allows for discussion and edits there. Possible risk: No one wants to edit it there either, because it's viewed as my comment which normally should not be edited by others.
3. You or I start altering the actual section in the wikigroup page proper (but I've already said why this is unappealing to me at this early stage).

Then of course, if either course #1 or #2 is taken, if anyone should make contributions to the notes their authorship will be obscured by pasting it in to the main page. As collaborative as Wikipedia is, preliminary collaboration seems quite difficult to me. If you know of a better way, let's do that. Meanwhile I'm just going to putter around in my sandbox. Phil wink (talk) 03:08, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

PS: In the mean time, I've floated this idea to User:JoannaSerah, which is probably better than the above: "I wonder if a better solution wouldn't be to spin the whole section off onto its own subpage, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry/Scansion Style. Then it would be publicly available for comment and editing, comments would be tied specifically to it (not to the project as a whole), and we could still link to it from the project page only after it was sufficiently vetted."

Cheers. Phil wink (talk) 15:02, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The project subpage sounds like a good idea Stumps (talk) 08:06, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Two Sonnet Poem in Iambic Pentameter

Hello Stumps,

I liked your description of iambic pentameter, specifically with the way poets may occasionally vary the stress and foot for creative effect. I have written a two sonnet poem (28 lines) and would like to ask if you would be so kind to analyze the meter as I have written it. I can mark the scansion in advance, or you can as you perceive it. The poem is about one of my favorite creatures: the cat.

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Thank you!

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Ambit (magazine)

Hello Stumps.

This is just a courtesy visit to apprise you that I took the liberty to slightly expand your educative article and sourced it. Hopefully, you'd like my little effort. I'd appreciate your opinion on this. Best regards, (MrNiceGuy1113 (talk) 06:57, 11 September 2013 (UTC))

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