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Welcome!

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Marking edits as minor edits

Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. --Matilda talk 22:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


Read the rules

Do not delete entire sections just because you dont like it. The rules are clear when it comes to content worked on by others, respect the work of other people. Discuss before making unilaterial cuts. You edits to sub-Africa are not in line with the policies of this site. If sources (multisources) are provided then they are valid. Afrocentric is not grounds for deletion, being republican, Jewish, Arabic, Pan-African, Pro-China, Pro-Cuba or any discription you want to add to a website is not grounds for the content (valid content) being removed. Read the rules and dont just say questionable source when the same source is used all over wikipedia in many different sections. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


I second that! Please research before you delete content that is researched. Your opinion on who is Black and who is not it immaterial to Wikipedia! 66.92.62.162 (talk) 21:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Black Africa

My bad, I meant to revert to the version you had already reverted to, and my comment consequently referred to the stuff you had already removed. Sorry. --dab (𒁳) 13:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

Hi there. I see you referred to a "St Louis" study. I'm not familiar with this, but from your comment it sounds like it refers to the actual ancient Egyptians rather than modern Egyptians. Please could you make it available to me? Wdford (talk) 19:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


3rr

Be aware that 3 reverts (within 24 hours) and you get blocked.. It is also nonconstructive. Learn how to discuss.Taharqa (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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Ham

No that source calls it " black land” and I’m curious did you read the article, because if you did you will see in chapter 2. Labeled “ The existence of Ham”. Towards the end It goes into details about the meaning of black land. There is no point in repetitive and mentioning the same explanation twice Thecityone (talk) 23:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Chapter two? What exactly are you talking about? The Ham article? Because if you are, the fact that Kemet is the so-called "black land" (not the "land of the blacks, as you have said) is only mentioned once in the article. The second instance you are referring to is actually a footnote of a direct quote from the source in question to prove that that is in fact what the source says per WP:PROVEIT (the book says nothing anywhere about it being the "land of the blacks", Chapter two or otherwise). That quote is not actually included in the text proper. Soupforone (talk) 03:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
F.Y.I kemet can mean black land/land of black or land of blacks and they mean the same thing. I do not know what you think it means but it means the same thing.

But when did I mention a book? I said that Ham ARTICLE didn’t I. I never said anything about a book. I said chapter 2 but I what meant to say was the second line. This further shows that you have no idea what the article say because if you had just the slightest clue, you would have got what I meant when I said read “the Ham ARTICLE chapter 2 labeled The existence of Ham”. Did you just feel the need to just jump on the senseless edit bandwagon? If you didn’t read the article to know what it say, then why the hell do you keep on tampering with it. The explanation about kemet, the land and fertility was ALWAYS right there in the second section of the article labeled the “The existence of Ham”!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_(son_of_Noah)#The_existence_of_Ham. If you would have read it you would know and by you adding the explanations again you are just making meaningless repetitions.Thecityone (talk) 04:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The article appears to be about blacks Africans

Meet me on the talk page.

The Transhumanist 22:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


I tried to clean up the article to prevent it from being deleted.

I've taken another crack at it. Let me know if I've got the description right this time.

Tell me what's wrong with the article, and I'll fix it. I'm here to help.

I changed a lot more than the lead and headings. If you mean to revert just those, go in and edit them.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 22:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


African diaspora includes Afro-Americans, etc. You mentioned that I did not include those in the lead I wrote.

We've got to come up with a better lead paragraph, that specifies the list's inclusion criteria, otherwise the article is likely to be deleted. "Blacks and Africans" includes colonial descendants. But I didn't notice those on the list.

The Transhumanist 22:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I've commented on your changes and replied to the post you made to my talk page, at: Talk:List of topics related to Black and African people.

The Transhumanist 23:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

More replies are waiting for you. The Transhumanist 23:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

and more. The Transhumanist 00:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Sub-Saharan Africa

Hey. I saw you and another editor are having a disagreement on the Sub-Saharan Africa page. Rather than getting into an edit war, it'd be better to discuss your viewpoints on the talk page. Thanks! — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 23:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey. Thanks for the advice. I've left a comment there. Soupforone (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Edits

Please do not delete sections of articles just because you do not personally agree with them. There may be some articles that would interest you. If something is sourced you may not delete it unless you can prove otherwise. Please read:

HalifaxnBlack (talk) 04:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I was deleting your POV that Dravidians are black people, and part of the African diaspora. Thanks for the links though. Soupforone (talk) 19:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Zanj

My edits to this line are primarily because the style is not encyclopedic. It is the same as the flowery language of the source. What this location section needs to do is detail exactly where the place was, according to a modern map. In any case, the line is duplicated in the first line of the history section, where references to ancient lands is more appropriate, so it is not needed in the location section. Mdw0 (talk) 07:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The straightforward phrase "To the south of the Abyssinian highlands and the Berber coast was a territory referred to as Zanj" is not flowery language. There may have been an issue on this point previously, but not now. Whatever the case, I have rephrased it to "Arab and Chinese sources referred to the area south of the Abyssinian highlands and the Barbara coast as Zanj" per the ref. Unless one wants to deliberately put forth the impression that the Zanj coast refers to East Africa as a whole rather than a specific portion of it, disambiguation is obviously needed to explain that both the Arabs and the Chinese divided the coast into several regions based on each region's inhabitants. Zanj only referred to one particular part of that coast, as the ref itself indicates. Also, Barbara is not the same thing as the Barbary Coast in Northwest Africa; it's a different territory. Barbara was the term the Arabs & Greeks gave to the northern Horn of Africa. I have sourced this with a direct quote & link-thru this time so that there's no confusion. I have also moved the repetitive phrase on the inhabitants of Zanj that you refer to from the history section to the relevant location section. Soupforone (talk) 09:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
The geography section doesnt confuse Zanj with the other places because it details where Zanj was in its context. The section now says what you refer to above - that Zanj was one area along the coast. Mdw0 (talk) 08:54, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The formatting actually confuses matters more because it doesn't clearly differentiate between Zanj and other areas of East Africa whereas the ancient sources did. I have solved the issue by creating separate articles for the other regions in question. Soupforone (talk) 10:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The 'Inhabitants of Zanj' section is about geography - not the people. The bits about Sofala and Waq-Waq belong in the other section, which would then be complete, by describing each of the sections of East Africa from north to south. The section about Zanj being inhabited by Bantu speaking people called the Zanj should really be in the opening paragraph. That would mean the rest of the article flows better with geography in its place, and history following. Mdw0 (talk) 00:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:LEDE, the intro is supposed to summarize the article, so yes, the fact that Zanj was primarily inhabited by Bantu people should be mentioned there too. I agree that the inhabitants section mainly talks about the geographic location of Zanj, so I've moved it up to the division of East Africa area. Soupforone (talk) 04:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
This is now heaps better - just a couple of minor switches and the article flows. Mdw0 (talk) 05:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The lede is supposed to recap the body, so there obviously will be some repetition. Also, the term "Zanj" was actually the Arab name for blacks in general and Seng Chi (Zanji) was its Chinese analogue. They didn't draw distinctions between Bantus or Nilotes, etc.; those are modern terms. Sofala, Pemba, and so on were therefore also largely inhabited by similar peoples, as they still are. That's why it's written that "al-Mas'ūdī describes Sofala as the furthest limit of the Zanj settlement and mentions its king's title as Mfalme, a Bantu word". That's also why those two passages should be united as one paragraph since they both refer to the same general area and people i.e. Zanj. I've fixed it now. Soupforone (talk) 08:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Not exact repetition. Thats why I changed the sentence slightly. Also, the line about the king is not clear as to which king it refers to - is it the king of Zanj or the king of Sofala? Mdw0 (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
The author is describing Sofala in particular, which is the furthest southern limit of Zanj settlement. That's the ruler he is referring to, and 'mfalme' is the ruler's title. Soupforone (talk) 06:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you

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afro-textured hair

Why are you putting photos of bald people and removing the ones with hair on this article? Please use talk page or I will report you for vandalism. Priorsolve77 (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Those aren't "bald" people, actually. They have closely-cropped hair. And I did post on the talk page, in case you hadn't noticed. First to do so too. Soupforone (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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on afro-textured hair, thanks, Priorsolve77 (talk) 21:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I see you were redirected to the talk page. Not surprising since that's usually where discussions actually start, with a view toward obtaining a consensus. Soupforone (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

*poke*

I don't wanna start counting reverts on Black people, White people, or Purple people and whatnot. :) Thanks. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 21:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Please can you help me write-up the Akan people DNA/Genetics

Hi Soupforone, I was please hoping if you can use your knowledge on the DNA/Genetics to help me to create and write-up the DNA/Genetics of the Akan people please, exactly like the one you have done for the Hausa people on 22:49, 1 May 2012‎ (see your revision http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hausa_people&diff=490205214&oldid=490125394). Please I would like an Akan people DNA/Genetics exactly like the one you did (see Hausa people#Genetics for example) for the Akan people (if you can please do this by the end of today 16 September 2012, before the 17 September 2012), I would be grateful.

I have links for MtDNA (See this for MtDNA http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314991/?tool=pubmed and this Haplogroup L3 (mtDNA) and Haplogroup L1 (mtDNA)) and this link for Y DNA (See this for Y DNA http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15856073). The Fante people are an Akan people.

The problem is Soupforone, is that I don not understand DNA/Genetics, and so the information in (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314991/?tool=pubmed and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15856073) I don't understand.

So please Soupforone, I was hoping if you could help me to write-up the Akan DNA/Genetics, so that I can put it in the Akan people article today (16 September 2012). Because the information in (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314991/?tool=pubmed and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15856073) are too complicated for me to understand, as I do not understand DNA/Genetics. Please Soupforone, if you can write the information down (below this message) on this page, your talk page (exactly like or something like Hausa people#Genetics for example), then I would copy it down, and put it in the Akan people article. Please Soupforone, can you possibly do this by the end of today 16 September 2012, before the 17 September 2012. If you can, I would be forever grateful to you, for your favour. Thank you – MarkMysoe (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mark - I would like to help you, but one of the links doesn't appear to mention the Akan or any of its various subgroups. The other link does include data on the Ewe and Fante Akan subgroups. However, it ultimately combines that material with data from other Niger-Congo speakers [1], so it's not possible to make out from this what exactly is the data on the Akan alone. Soupforone (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Demographics of Djibouti

Hi Soupforone Have you been in Djibouti I know the demographic of every towns and city in Djibouti this is why I put this information in Wikipedia.

Archive 1

Hi Soupforone can you check out the Afar people page to Demographics new map where inhabited by Afar?

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