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I've been putting together some pages relating to Arab representation in Israeli politics, creating Arab Knesset members and editing and updating (and maybe one day creating) the entries on Arab parties and government figures. I've made use of your Israeli legislative election series, as well as a couple of your party entries, and I wanted to say good work, and keep going. I'll contribute more to the project when I have the time. Any resources you found particularly helpful? The Knesset's website, with its list of members, is fairly hard to browse and get relevant information from. That's all for now. Cheeselouise 20:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Danish elections

re Hi Number 57

Sorry to say it but I find you template about Danish elections somewhat problematic. Before 1953, the Rigsdag had two Houses, and the dates in your table only correspond to the Folketing elections, so it only tells half the story before this date as all elections to the Landsting are missing. It was not normal to have elections to both houses on the same date, but they often took place within the same year and month. Regards. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 21:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The "Rigsdag" was simply the name of the two houses combined, so there were no "rigsdag" elections. On very rare occations, both houses assembled for joint decisions. A referendum in 1939 turned down the idea of replacing the Landsting with a so-called Rigsting, so this term was never widely used. If all this information is to be grouped in one table, the finished result would probably be something like this (based on the Norwegian example):

• Danish Folketing Elections

(list of years)

• Danish Landsting Elections

(list of years)

• Danish Elections to the European Parliament

(list of years)

• Danish Referenda

(list of years)

Do you think such a solution would work or should it be split up? If you have any better ideas, I'm all ears. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 21:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed the last part of your post. According to the old constitution, both houses were on an equal footing, so no "upper" and "lower" house existed. Danes normally considered the Folketing to be the lower house but this was not based on the constitution. The issue of which house should approve the PM and his government was the issue of a fierce battle for more than 20 years, known as Forfatningskampen (the Constitutional Struggle). Højre, the modern Conservatives, had based a series of cabinets on the Landsting and this policy was supported by King Christian IX. The opposition, Venstre and the Social Democrats, supported the Folketing. In 1901 the matter was finally settled in favour of the Folketing. Due to both the constitutional unclarity and the historical controversy, I believe both houses should be included. Regards. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 22:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm still looking for a good source about the Landsting elections. The referenda are easier:

Non-EU related referenda:

• 14 December 1916: Sale of the Danish West Indian Islands. Passed.
• 6 September 1920: Changing the constitution due to reunification with South Jutland. Passed.
• 23 May 1939: Changing the constitution. Rejected.
• 28 May 1953: Changing the constitution / Princess Margrethe to become the future monarch. Bundled proposal. Passed. (She succeeded her father in 1972).
• 28 May 1953: Changing the electoral age from 25 to 23 or 21. Changed to 23.
• 30 May 1961: Changing the electoral age from 23 to 21. Passed.
• 25 June 1963: Four laws regarding land. Each suggestion a separate vote. All were rejected.
• 24 June 1969: Changing the electoral age from 21 to 18. Rejected
• 21 September 1971: Changing the electoral age from 21 to 20. Passed
• 19 September 1978: Changing the electoral age from 20 to 18. Passed

More information here (in Danish): [1]

EU-related referenda (data were taken from the EU information office: [2])

• 2 October 1972: Membership of the EEC. Participation: 90.1% Yes: 63.4% No: 36.6%
• 27 February 1986: Common Market. Participation: 75.4% Yes: 56.2% No: 43.8%
• 2 June 1992: Maastricht treaty. Participation: 83.1% Yes: 49.3% No: 50.7%
• 18 May 1993: Maastricht treaty modified with the Edinburgh agreement. Participation: 86.5% Yes: 56.7% No: 43.3%
• 28 May 1998: Amsterdam treaty. Participation: 76.2% Yes: 55.1% No: 44.9%
• 28 September 2000: Euro membership Participation: 87.6% Yes: 46.8% No: 53.2%

Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 23:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Polish elections

I don't mind, but may I suggest you ask this on the WP:PWNB for a wider audience - particularly useful may be your cooperation with User:Appleseed, who has created many Poland-related templates. The question of size can usually be fixed by the new 'collapsable' templates.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Election Templates

Hi!

Great work with your templates. A few issues:

1. "Elections" should not be capitalised. {{Russian elections}}, not <{{Russian Elections. Neither should "Parliamentary Election" and such be capitalised in the template, use "parliamentary elections" instead; an exception is when it refers to a specific name, like "Folketing" or "Bundestag".
2. For more than one election per year, the format is [[Somewhereian general election, February 2000|2000 (Feb)]], not [[Somewhereian general election, 2000 (February)|2000 (Feb)]].
3. The convention for referenda is the same: "Somewhereian ISSUE referendum, YEAR". If there was no single issue or common denominator, leave ISSUE out, for instance in Ukrainian referendum, 2000.
4. Future elections should be italicised, like this: [[Ukrainian presidential election, 2010|''2010'']]

Apart from that: Keep up the great work! —Nightstallion (?) 03:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

One more minor issue: For some reason, it's now the de facto standard to use "constitutional", not "constitution", for things like the Democratic Republic of the Congo constitutional referendum, 2005. Just FYI. Still, great work on the whole! :) —Nightstallion (?) 14:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Irish elections

Hi, Regarding the Irish elections template, since it is part of an international series, I won't revert it again since you seem to have done a good bit of work in this area. One thing however should be changed is the third section, Irish referenda, there already is a template for Irish amendments to the constitution which is based on the Amendment no. rather than year. By basing it on year, it gives the impression (by the no. of red links) that a lot of these articles don't exist. In fact there is an article for each numbered amendment. This will have to be fixed up. Snappy56 07:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:European Union elections

Another point on the election templates. I edited the Luxembourgian template to include European Parliament elections without realising that you had made a range of standardised templates for many countries. Given that, would it be possible to have a separate section (that is, a row, despite what I've done to the Luxembourgian one) for European elections for EU member states? Bastin 13:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Your map

FYI, there were elections in some of the Arab Gulf states already:

• Kuwaiti parliamentary election, 2006
• Bahraini parliamentary election, 2006
• Politics of Oman
• United Arab Emirates parliamentary election, 2006

And there are plans in the other two, too:

• Qatari legislative election, 2007
• And the Saudi Arabian municipal elections, 2005 might lead to national elections there, too.

—Nightstallion (?) 18:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Say, where has the map gone? I tried to find it to see your progress, but I wasn't able to find it any more... —Nightstallion (?) 12:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Linking to future election articles

is in principle a very good idea, and I've seen you doing it very consequently (including the italics). However, if you've got some source stating that there'll be an election in a certain year (like in this case), please don't just red-link to the article -- create the article (take a look at Gambian parliamentary election, 2007 for a basic layout and what to include: the "future election" template, the "Politics of ..." template, a link to the source of the date, appropriate stub templates and appropriate categories) and then link it. Simply linking to a non-existent article and proclaiming the date this way is crystal-balling, I believe. Apart from that, great work! —Nightstallion (?) 18:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Eritrean elections

If you are going to make this template you must be more careful with it. What I mean is that you should recognize and identify in the template that there are separate dates for elections in the national, regional, and local elections in Eritrea. Because of this it seems that you are missing a number of dates in the time line. Furthermore when you say elections, for which branch are you talking about (this may also lead to confusion since all three branches of the government are elected). Thank you --Merhawie 00:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Mauritanian Senate election, 2007

Turns out it is an indirect election. I assume we should remove it from the template, then? —Nightstallion (?) 23:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I would like to remove the Senate elections if they are indeed indirect. Can the same be done to the Senate elections section of the DR Congo elections? Number 57 09:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Mh, yeah, you may be right on that. But since we happen to have articles on indirect elections quite frequently, what can we do with them? —Nightstallion (?) 12:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps Senate elections should have their own template - I guess it could end up looking like those for countries who only have one level of elections (e.g. Swazi elections. Maybe they could also be included in the local elections template, as in several cases the Senates are elected by local assemblies. Number 57 10:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mh, maybe, but: What do we do about presidents elected by parliament (Estonia, Turkey, Czechia, Italy)? By your reasoning, they'd have to be in the same table as the parliamentary elections... —Nightstallion (?) 14:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I would put presidents elected by parliament with Senate elections, as they are indirect rather than direct popular votes. Number 57 17:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mh. The more I think about it, the less certain I am that it's a good idea to make such an arbitrary distinction... Maybe we *should* have all elections at the national level in one template? —Nightstallion (?) 19:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Philippine elections

Since (Congress = Senate + House of Representatives) ≠ (Parliament = Batasang Pambansa) ≠ Constitutional Convention, why not merge the Senate and the House sections while segregating the Parliament (I suggest to rename it to Batasang Pambansa and the Constitutional Convention. Congress is a bicmaeral body while the Batasan Pambansa is unicameral, so they're kinda different. --Howard the Duck 11:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I have a reply on my user talk page. --Howard the Duck 14:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Gilbertese or "Kiribatian"

You must be very ignorant about Kiribati facts to think that Gilbertese is "for language and people" and the very ugly "Kiribatian" for the country. I suppose that you never have been there.--Enzino 12:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:Zionist political parties in Israel

It would make no sense to have an article listed in both a category and its subcategory. Hashomer 21:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if it's standard but I won't get into an argument over it. Hashomer 21:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Portuguese elections

My pleasure. I've put in the months too. Biruitorul 20:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Pinchas Rosen

Thanks so much for expanding it! I was going to do the work, but you totally beat me to it. - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 00:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Chaim for Haim

I've noticed you are changing many articles, changing the name 'Chaim' to 'Haim'. Can you point to a place where this was discussed and agreed upon. It looks very disturbing otherwise. Shenme 23:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

This is why I get nervous when seeing someone making a large number of changes all at once. I noticed in some of your comments that you were referencing the Knesset site. Strangely, I immediately found two references to "Chaim Weizmann"

[3]

[4]

whereas you have already changed the article Chaim Weizmann, redirecting it to Haim Weizmann. So it may be the right thing to do, but it doesn't look like it. Can you point to something documenting the reasons for all these changes? Shenme 23:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Less 'disturbed' is too much to hope for  ;-) but at least now your reasons are written down now. Thanks. Shenme 23:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Indonesian_elections

Hi there. At the risk of being fussy, the second Indonesian election of 1955 was for the Constituent Assembly, as you rightly linked it to. Would it be worth making this clearer on the template, as it wasn't "parliamentary"? Also, there is some debate over the word "parliamentary" as Indonesia has a presidential system... Secondly, at the risk of being it, isn't the right word for your user page 'pedantry', not 'pedancy'? Davidelit 12:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you about the elections template. I guess any other way and you'd end up creating a myriad of different templates for everywhere... By the the way, do you think the Indonesian elections page should be split up into a separate article for each election? The problem is that the 1977,82,87 and 92 elections were rather dull and any page would be a bit stub-like. Incidentally, given your interest in Israel (which I share, but am less informed about having only been there once), would you be interested in writing an article about relations between Israel and Islamic countries (eg Indonesia, which bought A4 Skyhawk planes second hand directly from Israel, and whose special forces received Uzis and (allegedly) training from the Israeli military or Iran, which apparently received technical support from Israel to keep its US-supplied aircraft functioning during the Iran-Iraq war)? Just a thought... Davidelit 02:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Your modification of the Azmi Bishara article was not source. I've reverted to the previous version.

Hello Number57,

I've restored the statement you've deleted from the Azmi Bishara article. I agree with your criticism, however (1) It doesn't justify deleting the statement, just modifying it: consider which of the two versions more closely approximates the truth - the version with the inaccurate statement, or the one leaving it out altogether, (2) this statement is a direct quote from Ha'aretz. Your annotation was unattributed. Encyclopedic content must be attributable to a reliable source. If you wish to make a modification, your modification should be at least as well-attributed as the version you wish to modify (this is true in general, not just in this particular case). Thanks. Itayb 07:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Template:Malaysian general elections

Fine. But the term is just too broad in scope, implying other elections should be included in the box. From which discussion is this "[country's] elections" naming convention and template standardisation based on anyway?

Meanwhile, Template:Malaysian general elections should at least be renamed to Template:Elections in Malaysia, consistent with {{State elections in Malaysia}} and {{By-elections in Malaysia}}, and avoiding extra work when sorting them in Malaysian categories or looking for them there (i.e. Category:Malaysian navigational boxes).

Cheers. - Two hundred percent 09:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Retracted comment. - Two hundred percent 10:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Arab MKs

You have organised the information in a compact and useful form. Keep up the good work! ابو علي (Abu Ali) 14:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Israeli town article moves

Hi, thanks for moving the articles about Israeli towns such as Kiryat Atta and Kiryat Mal'akhi. I've been meaning to make these moves for a while. However, there are still issues with double redirects, misleading information (unofficially also spelled Qiryat Atta - should be officially also spelled ...), etc. because of the moves. Please pay more attention to these details in the future, and keep up the good work. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I also think Kiryat Ata is the better spelling, however, I think we should see the actual website before judging by the URL. After all, if whoever originally ordered the subdomain made an error, it would be impossible to fix, so the website itself might have a different transliteration.

About apostrophies, I think we should follow a standard set of rules (outlined in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew), a page that was never made an official guideline but which nevertheless represents overall consensus. These rules require an apostrophe. You might think that it wouldn't be difficult to alter the rules and gain consensus, but in some cases the name without the apostrophy looks awkward and non-standard (most reputable sources still use Giv'atayim and Pisgat Ze'ev, I think, although Beer Sheva seems to be most common).

About official spelling, there are numerous government organizations which are all 'official', but each has a different set of transliteration rules. CBS (למ"ס) happens to be one of these, and you can see their transliterations here.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Azmi Bishara, discussion in Itayb's talk page

I've responded. Itayb 22:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I've responded. Itayb 23:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I've responded. Itayb 18:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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Lost

I'm afraid you must have a poor monitor then, I've tested it separately, it is compliant, your changes do not work correctly on 1024, thus I've rolled back your edits, discuss them on the talk page, or pop to your local computer store and get a new monitor, HTH HAND. Matthew 09:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

It's quite obvious you do not have your computer set-up correctly, none the less you've violated the three-revert rule trying to push your minority POV, even with evidence to the contrary that it does indeed work perfectly fine on 800 res. I'd advise you to self-revert as I do not wish to have to spend time filling out the 3RR boiler-plate. Matthew 10:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I do not know why it's not lining up for you, perhaps this problem will mean we can finally reformat the template nicely. Matthew 10:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:The 4400 - Does that template format correctly for you? If so formatting it [the Lost template] like that may be beneficial. Matthew 10:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Your changes to The 4400 template actually break it here, causing Collier to appear on a new line, add chunks of white space, and pushes the cells out of alignment. Matthew 11:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Does the Lost template format correctly now? Matthew 11:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The 4400 should format correctly now, it has no set widths etc. Matthew 11:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well then the only way I can see to fix the Lost one is by dropping the left cells somewhere else as by looking at your screenshot the only way to fix it would be to free-up space. Matthew 11:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Naomi Chazan vs. Naomi Hazan

Hi, You recently moved the article Naomi Chazan to Naomi Hazan with the reason "incorrect transliteration". I am not questioning the accuracy of your claim (as I cannot read Hebrew), but would like two note two points. First, the official Knesset page lists her last name as "Chazan". Second, the "Chazan" transliteration seems to be far more common than "Hazan".

According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions, "Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize" and "Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors; and for a general audience over specialists".

For these reasons, I intend to undo the move so that "Naomi Hazan" redirects to "Naomi Chazan" (and to note both spellings in the introduction), unless you have any particular objections. Cheers, Black Falcon 05:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I see what you mean. I suppose that in the end it really doesn't matter too much as long as there is a redirect from "Chazan". I am still surprised though. I would have expected the official parliamentary website to at least be accurate about the transliteration of the names of its members ... . In any case, your arguments are convincing and I will not move the page. By the way, there is another MP listed as "Yaakov Chazan" (no article on him yet). Cheers, Black Falcon 17:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

So, ....... would it cause more or less confusion if people ignored the road signs? :P -- Black Falcon 17:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Proffessor Israel Shahak

Hi/Shalom! Could you have a look at Talk:Israel_Shahak#RFC and see what you think? Thanks ابو علي (Abu Ali) 20:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Lost templates

Hello,

I understand your points but want to clarify some things.

• It is perfectly appropriate to use
  in the templates on Wikipedia. I don't understand why you are so committed to removing them in Lost templates, when they are all over Wikipedia. Are you going to remove them everywhere?
• & nbsp; was put in for your very justification of messing up screen resolutions. I'm perfectly willing to remove them.
• I do not believe we should italicized upcoming episodes. Wikipedia is not a directory and does not list upcoming events.

Hope I made my reverts clear. Thanks. -- Wikipedical 21:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Botswanan

I don't agree with you and intend to take this further. I don't care what dictionary.com (a rubbish resource) says. I have lived and worked there and nobody from there says Botswanan; they would soon correct you if you made that mistake there! As I said at Talk:Botswana, I would have to see a Botswana resource which said that "Botswanan" was the correct form before I would change my mind. --Guinnog 16:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see the centralised discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Africa#Botswanan --Guinnog 16:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This resource is subscription-only so I could not check it, though I believe you. If you were right that "Botswanan" were the correct form in Botswana, you might expect the army to be the "Botswanan Defence Force". It is not. In fact if you can point me to any Botswana government or official source using this adjective I will accept that usage has changed and withdraw my objection. Until then, I think I will stick to my guns. --Guinnog 16:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

In the light of the discussion linked to above, will you consider restoring my changes? I would rather not have to redo them all myself. Thanks in advance, --Guinnog 07:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

"It would be nice to have some other knowledgeable people's input to the debate". Well, I think we have achieved that now, and I think you'll agree they all endorse my view. I am still waiting for you to undo your changes; doing so would address the very slight pique I experience that you couldn't just have trusted my expertise on the subject. Please see if you can do it. Thank you, and best wishes. --Guinnog 07:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

First of all, let me thank you for having the chutzpah to revert the changes you made. That was an honourable thing to do, eliminates any vestigial bad feeling I may have had about the matter, and reinforces my belief that you are a good Wikipedian. I really appreciate it, and it makes it easier for me to apologise to you for my slightly waspish tone above.

Secondly, I want to say that (as always ought to happen where two honourable people have a disagreement and resolve it), the matter has allowed us to improve the project slightly (we now have a clear consensus on the naming issue which we can refer future inquirers to, which was lacking before), and also to meet each other. From your initial edits, which I never of course doubted were well-meant, and from your conduct in the dispute and a perusal of your user page, I think we share a lot of interests in common. I too would characterise myself as a pedant and a stickler for usage of language.

If there is ever anything I can do for you, I hope you will let me know.

Very best wishes, --Guinnog 17:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I look forward to it! Thanks again, --Guinnog 19:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Next town name moves

After finally fixing the k/q for kuf issue, I suggest moving to the tzere + yud issue, namely in names starting with Bet/Beit. I think Bet She'an and Bet Shemesh (and any other such towns) should be renamed to Beit X. This complies with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew) and has a precedent - Elat was moved to Eilat. Granted, in Biblical contexts and such, the transliteration should be left unchanged (usually Beth or Bet). Please tell me what you think. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually supported the name Beersheba when it was going to be moved, and also prefer the current spelling of Petah Tikva. Beersheba is correct IMO due to the WP:NC policy, which states at the very top:

This page in a nutshell: Generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.

This basically means that for any towns well-known to people outside of Israel, we should use the widely accepted English spelling, which happens to be Beersheba (and Bethlehem, Nazareth, Jericho, Acre, Tiberias, etc.) Although Beer Sheva seems much more modern and logical, there's really no arguing policy and this will also help non-Israeli readers.

About Petah Tikva, it ends with a het, for which it is unacceptable IMO to have a kh. Some users have proposed universally using kh for het, but this is phonetically wrong and has not gained consensus. Petakh Tikva is also not a very common spelling, having only 1,050 hits on Google (Petah Tikva having 293,000 and Petach Tikva - 235,000). -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I assume that you are not Mizrahi ;) Well, neither am I, but there's a correct way to pronounce the Hebrew het, and it's not kh. Actually the correct Latin symbol I believe is ḥ, but it would be a disaster to put that thing in article titles. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I will address each point below:

• ḥ is an h with a dot below it. It is widely used in English mapping, like this map, even by prominent companies like Rand McNally.
• Yes, consistency is important, as is differentiating between het and khaf. Kiryat Mal'akhi in Hebrew is קריית מלאכי with a kh, while Petah Tikva in Hebrew is פתח תקווה with a h. Sakhnin uses the Arabic خ , which is a kh sound (although in Hebrew it's often transliterated as 'ח (het with an apostrophe)). The Arabic equivalent of het is ح, like in Habib.
• The word for village is similar in Hebrew and Arabic, therefore the many differences. I think it should be a constant Kfar in Hebrew names and constant Kafr in Arabic names. Kefar is a Hebrew variant I don't support, and Kafar is an Arabic variant I also oppose.
• Qalansawe is an Arabic name, therefore I think it should be left as it is, because in most Arabic dialects there is an actual difference between kaf and quf. See for example the audio file here - they are saying Muammar al-Qaddafi, using the same quf as in Qalansawe. For Hebrew names it should be a K, as you correctly pointed out in the case of Katzrin vs. Qatzrin.
• The other 3 have already been edit-warred over, and this is how the current transliterations came to be. Ness Ziona is the weirdest case, the only reason it's used is because it's the official spelling used by the municipality, therefore holding more weight than other (correct) variants. Rishon LeZion is another case of a spelling recognizable in English, because ציון is Zion in English. This is similar to the argument over Nazareth Illit, where it was argued that it should be Natzrat Illit because it's not the same as the Biblical Nazareth and therefore should not use the accepted English spelling. However, it was decided that it should, even if only part of the word is widely accepted. Finally, Herzliya derives from Herzl, and there is a consonant Y, therefore this is a logical and correct spelling. An alternative would be Herzeliya, as it would comply with WP:NC (Hebrew).

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, I will probably be going to sleep now and won't be able to reply until I get back from the army next weekend, so please make necessary non-controversial changes :) -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

In reply to your message, I did use the Knesset site, which it is true might not be the most reliable. Nevertheless, as your discussion with Ynhockey also mentions, h or ḥ seem to be the standard transliterations for Heth, whereas kh is usually used for Kaph. As for using a unicode letter, it seems to be pretty common in the pronunciation section. Past controversy on Hebrew words has usually surrounded their use in the titles and as standard spelling. So if I was mistaken, it would probably be in favour of the common ch, but I haven't seen evidence of that in the brief searching since you contacted me. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 22:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

List of football clubs in England

Regarding the FC and AFC prefixes/suffixes within List of football clubs in England :

I disagree with considering FC or AFC when listing football teams A-Z. Take for example AFC Bournemouth - the BBC website lists them as simply 'Bournemouth' for the purpose of A-Z listing. I think it is important to add the FC and AFC within each list entry, but not to consider the FC and AFC as part of the sort (just as 'The' would be dropped when ordering band names). I assume that you wouldn't want to list F.C. Copenhagen under 'F', for instance??? --Jameboy 12:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Hamodia

I have moved HaModia back to Hamodia. if you want to change the paper's name, please clear it with its publisher first. --Redaktor 22:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed comments in Malaysian election templates

Hi. I write regarding your unexplained removal of side comments in Template:Malaysian general elections [5] and Template:Malaysian state elections [6]. Why is this necessary? The comments may be useful for consistent management of the templates, and don't hinder the actual output of the templates given the formatting tags used. In fact, I recall you noting that Template:Malaysian general elections is suppose to list only general elections and national referendums. The name of the template is already confusing enough that it suggests editors add other local elections, so what's the problem? - Two hundred percent 15:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Bnei Sakhnin

I think that nobody even uses Ihoud in Israel and I have only seen it on the scarves at Doha Stadium. I think that the way it is now is the most appropriate. I do need help though, now that the football clubs are being changed to F.C., we need the categories about the players to be changed as well. Also, head to BigSoccer.com, we chat about Israeli football there and you sound like you know your stuff. NYC2TLV 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, I agree, the title should be that way. The mention of Hapoel is really only relevant when it gets into the merger and the fact that UEFA calls the club this. Some media outlets in Israel say Bnei Sakhnin is still part of the Hapoel organization. Whether they are or not, they don't use this title and it could be that the club card held by UEFA is that which belonged to Hapoel Sakhnin before the merger. NYC2TLV 20:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ligat ha'Al

Don't you think the names of the clubs should be exactly their official names? I mean, I took the names from the UEFA official site. Please, don't make any changes if you not sure what is my intentions. Flags-Chaser 17:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't accept your decision. The names according to UEFA are the official names (for example, in the Champions League or the UEFA Cup broadcasts they uses the names exactly like they present in their site). Are you from Israel? Flags-Chaser 18:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm living in Tel Aviv, so therefore I know good how the press spells the names. We're not talking about the press, but about what are the official names. For example Hakoah Maccabi Amidar Ramat Gan IS the official name of the team, even though the press uses Hakoah Amidar Ramat Gan. Flags-Chaser 19:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Don't you think it's better to use the official names? I mean, the common names are more popular, but not always correct (like you saw). I, unexpectedly, prefer the official names (Olympique Lyonnais - Lyon, FC Internazionale Milano - Inter Milan, and so on). Flags-Chaser 19:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I accept your claims, although I prefer the official names. Do you have MSN Messenger? Flags-Chaser 19:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Cheers for giving me a barnstar, it is much appreciated. I'm currently on a Wikipedia sabbatical, a combination of family and work commitments combined with a futile attempt to rusurrect my football career dont leave me with much spare time. Regards, King of the North East 11:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Canadian elections

There have been a number of referenda in Canada, both at national level and in the provinces and territories, which should be included. I'm afraid I don't know where to find a complete source of these, though. —Nightstallion (?) 15:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Confusing edit summary

Just wondered why you removed the disambig link to International Day of Quds from the Jerusalem Day article with the edit summary that should not have been removed? Surely it's a valid link. Number 57 12:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea how that occured; I meant to only re-add the link to Yom Ha'atzma'ut. Perhaps I accidentally edited an old version of the article. -- tariqabjotu 14:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hapoel Tel Aviv

Did you notice that somebody changed Hapoel Tel Aviv to a redirect to the football club? I am not talking about your double redirect correction, the guy before you. I don't have the energy now, but I want to do what I did with Hapoel Jerusalem and have the Hapoel Tel Aviv (basketball) moved to Hapoel Tel Aviv B.C.. That is what they are called in Europe by FIBA. Check out Hapoel Jerusalem and the subsequent Hapoel Jerusalem F.C. and Hapoel Jerusalem B.C., this is what the standard should be in my opinion when a club has more than just a football or basketball team. NYC2TLV 10:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Herut – The National Movement

please be carefull when fixing grammer not to remove valid data from the article as you did here: "ad section"->"advertisment", there is an inherent difference by removing the word "section" which implies that the entire add was censored while in reality, it was not and the act of censoring sections of election campaings is common in israeli elections, especially to frigne parties that crave public attention. In fact, perhaps this should be added to the article to prevent misperception. Jaakobou 13:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

nice addition to the article and a fairly good way of phrasing it. (about the mazuz investigation ref) Jaakobou 17:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Mandatory

Cheers for finding those links. I have seen 'mandatory' used before, it is also grammatically correct. However, I did not know that Mandate Palestine was the official usage. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 19:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

moving pages

Hi, when you want to give a page another name, don't just copy and paste, but use the move button instead. This button is located as a tab, similar to the edit tab or the history tab. Copying and pasting is not wanted, because that messes with the edit history of the page. Errabee 21:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

If you encounter problems when trying to move a page, contact an administrator. They can move it for you. Copying and pasting is never the correct way. Errabee 22:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Hapoelhaifa3

Hey have you seen the horrible additions and edits being made by Hapoelhaifa3. You have to see the crap he keeps putting up and tries to fluff Yochanan Vollach into the greatest footballer of all time. Plus he verbally attacked me on my talk page. Do you know of anything I can do about this? NYC2TLV 04:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Bnei Sakhnin

This is obviously not the case since Real Madrid is found at Real Madrid and not Real Madrid CF. FC Ashdod is perfectly okay but if the club is widely called Bnei Sakhnin the article name should be Bnei Sakhnin - you can't just arbitrarily add F.C. to the end of it. Regarding your "source," you refuted it in the same sentence where you brought it to support your case so even though it's uefa.com, I really wouldn't consider it reliable, especially since no Hebrew source mentions the FC part and a google search shows 30x the amount of results for Bnei Sakhnin as for Bnei Sakhnin FC. Yonatan ^talk 22:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Moving Pages

I noticed that you copied and pasted the entire text from Dudu Aouate and moved it to Dudu Awat. First off, that was not cool. Request a move first so that everyone can discuss it. Second, his name is spelled in Spain and officially with the IFA as Dudu Aoaute. I disagree with the move (eventhough I disagree with the official spelling of his name but there is nothing I can do about that) NYC2TLV 23:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Ilyhg

Did you see that now I have been threatened with legal action? I am trying now to get User:Ilyhg banned as well. Check out his talk page, then my talk page, then the talk page for Yochanan Vollach. By the way, I noticed yesterday that the weather in England has been better than in New York. It really freaked me out as I watched Chelsea beat Blackburn. But the good news is that Yossi might join Spurs. That would be great for an actual yid to be part of the yid army. -NYC2TLV 19:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Tutuana

The article on Jeff Tutuana is up for deletion. I don't understand why? -NYC2TLV 20:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Transliterations

Well, the document I linked starts with "כללי תעתיק אלו באים להסדיר את כתיבתן של מילים עבריות בכתב לטיני", and it comes from the authoritative body as far as Israeli Hebrew is concerned.--Doron 11:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, I don't understand. These are the official Israeli rules for transliteration, is there any reason why not to use them to write מזרחי in Roman letters?--Doron 11:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, now I see, sorry. But I recall that the whole issue of Romanization of Hebrew (for any purpose) was a matter of dispute a couple of years ago, is there a wikipolicy concerning this?--Doron 12:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Good job creating the Bishara box!

Good job creating the Bishara box! Itayb 19:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I replied in my talk page. Itayb 20:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Azmi Bishara: PM run

I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Itayb 11:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Myanma(r)

No worries, I thought it was a spelling mistake at the time. Perhaps "General elections in Myanmar" would be a clearer wording for the text in the template? Orderinchaos 12:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

belgian election template

I removed the template of the Belgian general elections back to template:Belgian general elections, which is of the same format as the templates of other countries and does only contains the elections at the national level.

In the template template:Belgian elections I included the two templates [[:template:Belgian general elections] and template:Belgian local elections.

I hope this may be a good trade-off? --Donar Reiskoffer 07:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Dudu Aouate

The minute he sings for an English club or leaves Spain and his name shows up Dudu Awat, I will agree to such a move. But until then it looks silly, especially to those who can't understand Hebrew names, that we have him under a different name than what he is called at Deportivo. -NYC2TLV 20:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes he has such potential as a singer. I heard him belt out some celebratory chants when we won the title and he was covering for Nir Davidovich. -NYC2TLV 20:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Nothing ever happened with Ilyhg (aka I am a fifteen year old boy infatuated with Israeli footy from the 1970s). I am very annoyed that he wasn't even given a warning for his pathetic behavior. Though a couple of times of actually calling the Law office he cited and telling them that this kid is using destroying their credibility. -NYC2TLV 20:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States military aid to Israel

You said that you were in favour of "Redirect and merge" on that AfD. For procedural purposes, it would make it easier for an admin to recognise that if you add the word "delete" before that (read: "Delete, redirect and merge"). A change would be appreciated ASAP, as the AfD will close soon, and it would be a shame if you were misunderstood. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 00:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

In that case, you might want to leave a comment on the Deletion Review, as the merge & redirects are being construed as in opposition to the deletes, though I'm not sure if that is the case indeed. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 22:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually...I think you accidentally commented too far down (in another DRV - they are all on the same page) =D Tewfik^Talk 08:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

bishara-refs

good work on removing the hideous refrence system and fixing it to look normative. Jaakobou 20:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Politics of... politics of boxes

Hi Nunber57! Stand by for some irony, given my slightly peeved (it was late and I am fighting a cold, forgive me) comments on the Elections infobox. Provincial politics boxes in Canada are all formatted on the bottom. Political Boxes for countries go on the side. I personally prefer on the side, and in fact, the original infobox I created was on the side[7] and used the polibox template as its basis, and was later changed User:Tompw to match the standard of the other provinces. I went with that without comment because on a couple of pages, both the Canada and Nova Scotia info boxes appear, and it doesn't look right if they are both on the side. As I said, just because a standard was created doesn't mean we need to follow it (the other example is the Canada town infobox is UGLY and the Nova Scotia town infobox is FAR BETTER and I don't see any reason to change!). Have a look at the historic one we had and the other provinces and tell me what you think.WayeMason 12:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Well the most politically sophisticated way is for you to broach the idea with User:Tompw rather than me, but you can tell him that we both like the idea. I will happily change the Nova Scotia and every other province to the side infobar model. How about you talk to him and then maybe we can develop a standardized Canadian Province side infobox. I am more than willing to do a tonne of work on this, just let me know.

On another note, I am working on these today 5th_General_Assembly_of_Nova_Scotia, I have who was elected but as far as I know there is no record of actual votes (it was voice vote then, until the 1800s). I don't think we are ever going to have election pages for these periods. Should we have the elections pages for 1755-whenever we have actual poll data just forward to the assembly page?WayeMason 12:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

WayeMason 12:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The point of having collapsible boxes at the bottom is to save space. If they are non-collapsibe boxes around it can get crowded, but that's a seperate issue. The trouble with the "politics of" boxes is they don't provide everythign that's needed, and have links which aren't needed. By all means create a Canada provincial sidebox... sounds a good plan. Tompw (talk) (review) 14:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I like it, though I personally prefer it to be broken down along the lines of this Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom because it then allows links the the municipal, etc, etc.... WayeMason 15:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I reverted some changes you've made in regards to the Ontario politics template. GreenJoe 15:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is the right change to make. I have done an up to date one here: User:WayeMason/sandbox but on pages here, here, and here, just for three examples, it will create a layout conflict or make the page scroll down way longer for the infobox then there are text, or likely will be text given the subject. While it looks better, I am not convinced it is more functional. I am going to copy this bit of discussion to the ontario page so we can broaden it up a bit. Yours, genuinely on the fence... WayeMason 16:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Colours

here are the first three in my history Template:Nigerian_elections, Template:Nigerien_elections, Template:Armenian_elections. I left the flag and formating alone, but I am pretty comfortable that this is okay. All the other Nova Scotia templates have #ccccff for their colour for a title bar... why is this an issue? WayeMason 17:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Northern Irish elections

That may be the case but the current template is misleading, which is why I altered it.--padraig3uk 12:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The elections from 1921 to 1969 were to the devolved Northern Ireland House of Commons, the 1998-2003-2007 were to the Northern Ireland Assembly those between those date where to interim bodies, and these should not be listed as one list, which is why I split them up to make that clearer to people.--padraig3uk 12:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The alterations I made to the template is easier to follow, and easier for people to see which election is to what, and in Northern Ireland it does make a difference.--padraig3uk 12:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Your method takes up more room, and mine is collapsable, mine is also easier to read, I have started a discussion on the template talk page.--padraig3uk 12:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Why are you reverting my edit to the template, just because you have created a number of templates on WP dosen't give you WP:OWN of them, I believe that my method is clearer and also takes up less space on articles as it is collapsable.--padraig3uk 14:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Well I regard your method as outdated, being standardised as you say dosent make it the best way to do something, I plan to update many of the articles that are linked by this template and that is why I wish to update the template.--padraig3uk 15:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You do not own the templates on WP, nor do you have the right to prevent other editors from improving them, there is no need to overuse flagicons the template only deals with one country therefore it is not necessary to display it on every heading.--padraig3uk 19:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Revert any more of my edits and I will report you under WP:OWN.--padraig3uk 20:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I did start a discussion on Template talk:Northern Ireland elections.--padraig3uk 21:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe that is your idea of concencus where you and another editor that helped to create these templates agree with each other but its not how WP works, the use of flag icons are intended to convey visual information, the repeated use of them on a template that only deals with one place is overuse and just eye-candy and not necessary. Your repeated reverting of all edits to these template could be seen as you implying ownership of them and is not how WP works.--padraig3uk 08:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:Israel

hi, WP is a collabertive enviroment of the highest order. People discover it, make their mark, get back to the real world and keep one foot in, if they can, so as to make sure their mark stays there.

i want Israel and Judaism to stay vibrant here on WP and i beleive the way for this to happen is for it to keep its members and bring as many new ones as possible as the old ones most often drop out.

hence the new look. if someone gets rid of it, it means the project is still alive. if its kept, its also still alive, but i wouldn't have known had you not asked me.

frummer 16:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

1992 Israeli election

Hi. The reason I changed it back to using sups is because (a) I want to differentiate between references and notes (b) the notes about the parties changing need to be directly below the table or it would be too difficult to follow, and (c) because this is how it has been done on all the other Israeli election articles. Number 57 19:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

No-one uses sups anymore, dreadfully old fashioned, a hyper-linked reference is obviously much better and easier to use. You forgot to add that you reverted my changes because you suffer from a bad case of WP:OWN, which has been remarked by other users. You seem to think any article you create/edit is yours alone to edit, and if anyone make a change (even for the better), you revert their changes, because naturally you are always right and superior to other editors. Snappy56

"Ultra-orthodox" at Meretz

Where does her party call her "Ultra-orthodox"? This term is not "the common English term"...there is not, in fact, a "common" term for Charedhim in English, since the vast majority of English speakers don't know Charedhim from the Amish. It may be the common term in the English-language media, but its use was coined there, and done so specifically for the purpose of sidelining Charedhim as part of the lunatic fringe. Tomer^talk 13:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

I noticed your edits at the Azmi Bishara page and thought you might be interested in the following.

WikiProject Palestine is looking for editors to help build and maintain comprehensive, informative, balanced articles related to Palestine on Wikipedia. Start by adding your name to the list of members at WikiProject Palestine. Ahlan wa Sahlan! (Welcome!)

Tiamut 13:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Number57. I appreciate your reply (and your expressed commitment to balance), but do understand if you feel your knowledge is more Israel-specialized than Palestine-related (though there is a lot of overlap which is why I'm involved in both). In any case, I do hope to more of you around here. Salamat. Tiamut 14:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Italics

The MoS says nothing of using italics for stating future events, see WP:ITALICS#Italic type. Matthew 17:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I've not seen it in use on other templates, regardless other templates using it isn't valid rationale. You should propose a MoS change. Matthew 17:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, other templates using it isn't good enough reason :-). Matthew 17:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Polish Jews

Well, they're of Polish Jewish origin, so they could be "Polish Jews". Kowalmistrz 11:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

So maybe a category "Israeli people of Polish descent/origin" should be exist? For Begin, barak and others. Kowalmistrz 11:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Images

Hello, I have removed your speedy deletion tags from numerous different images that you tagged for speedy deletion as being only used in non-notable articles. This is not a valid speedy deletion reason. If you wish to see these images deleted, take them to IFD. And please be more careful, one of the images was still being used in an article and wasn't only used in a deleted article like you stated. Thanks, Metros232 18:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Warning - 3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. --Mais oui! 08:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Number 57, I see that Mais oui! has sent you this warning without sending any similar message to padraig3uk. He also reverted the Irish elections template without making any contribution to the talk page. That is bang out of order for a start! I think you have a case for arbitration here. Your contributions have been factual and reasoned, while the others are stident at best and bullying at worst. I also notice two anonymous edits using language strangely similar to padraig3uk. If you need my support you'll have it. Scolaire 10:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I use the same IP all the time so if you think those anonomous edits are me then feel free to request a checkuser on my IP and them I have nothing to hide and make all edits when signed in.--padraig3uk 13:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops, bit of a blunder accusing Snappy of reverting! But since his reply was a continuation of the same nonsense I don't feel I owe him an apology. Going to an admin is a good idea, but maybe they'll both cool down and you won't have to. Scolaire 12:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Foyle Harps Y.F.C.

Sorry, lack of notability is not a valid reason to speedily delete an article. Please use PROD or AFD. Thank you. -- Chris is me _{(user/review/talk)} 17:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Whomever told you this must have been mistaken. Lack of notability has never been a criterion for speedy deletion. The closest thing to a non-notable speedy deletion is if a subject does not assert notability. Please do not nominate articles for speedy deletion for not meeting notability standards. -- Chris is me _{(user/review/talk)} 21:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of Newtown Y.F.C.

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Newtown Y.F.C.. I do not think that Newtown Y.F.C. fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because Failing to meet a project's notability guidelines is not a speedy delte reason. Use {{prod}} or AfD if you wish. I request that you consider not re-tagging Newtown Y.F.C. for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES ^(talk) 20:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I have also untagged the many other articles you had tagged fo speedy delete under the same reason. While a few of these might be taggable with {{db-club}} (which invokes WP:CSD#A7) IMO most are not. Plese do not invent new speedy delete reasons -- WP:CSD is intended to be read quite strictly, IMO. {{prod}} may be what you want for many of these. DES ^(talk) 20:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know who told you that this was a good idea, but IMO that person was wrong. I suggest that you open a thread on WT:CSD if you want to get other views than mine, althogh i see that at elast one other admin has also objected to this. DES ^(talk) 20:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Blackrock College Fees

Hi Number 57. I'm not sure I fully agreed with your edit removing fees information from the Blackrock College article. This, at least to me, was interesting and relevant to the article as it reflects the economic position of prospective students. I don't think it constitutes advertising. Let me know your rationale though. All the best. Ekilfeather 07:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Characters

Regardless of the characters not showing up on limited browsers, the norm on Wikipedia is to you these characters. Please stop deleting them. Thanks -NYC2TLV 18:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Atidekhad.jpg

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Re: Lang-he template

There are several major problems with the current font and they were noted at Wikipedia talk:Naming convention (Hebrew) - I assume you have read my original comment there. Basically the Arial font is terrible at displaying nikud, even at larger sizes (up to 14 points - currently 10 points) and makes it impossible to tell between many nekudot, especially tzeirei and patah, etc. No sans-serif font is currently good with nikud. As noted in the comment at the naming conventions, there are other fonts which are o.k. with nikud, such as Miriam and Narkisim. This is also a general problem at the current font size (10 points) and the size should be increased. 1.2 em is not much larger than 1 em and is barely noticeable and does not create additional space between lines in most cases. Feel free to suggest additional fonts etc., but Arial is not fit for displaying Hebrew with nikud, and as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia should attempt to include nikud in as many Hebrew words as possible. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Daam.gif

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Requesting a comment

Could you state your opinion at Talk:French_legislative_election,_2007#Article_title? Thanks! —Nightstallion (?) 16:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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templates

Reading your page, I see I may have touched on a raw nerve...I don't really know how to resize templates or move them, which is why I made the suggestion. I wouldn't want to wreck all your hard work. Anyway, I think it would be better at the bottom of the article, for people who like numbers, and not as "in-your-face." About the boldness you advocate, that is very nice, but I have been jumped on too often and had my laborious efforts vanish at the touch of a button by a variety of people who think they know better.--Gilabrand 09:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It's just that I saw you wrote on your page - "Annoyed by a lack of order in Wikipedia, he has also created a series of election templates." I just thought you might be touchy on the subject, that's all. I get these outraged comments from various people if I touch anything they have written on here, no matter how much it sounds like gibberish.--Gilabrand 10:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hebrew translations

I was just about to do it too :-) Tewfik^Talk 16:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the translations and the compliment. I just created the article on the Abu Basma Regional Council, and it too needs a Hebrew translation. Thanks a lot, Al Ameer son 23:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for the translation, and I find it wonderful that you have taught children over there, it is quite honorable I think. I wanted to inform or (warn) you that any time i create an article on a locality in Israel, I am going to ask for your translation. Thanks and keep up your good work. -- Al Ameer son 18:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey #57 I have some more translations for you man, - Bir Hadaj and Abu Qrenat -- Al Ameer son 23:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yea I'm going to ask Tewfik for that, I cannot make Arabic translations myself. Al Ameer son 22:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi #57 I made another town article that needs a Hebrew translation, Sheikh Danun Al Ameer son 18:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation, and as for Rahat, I only the picture in the article to the media section of the Arab localities in Israel category. As for the picture itself I have no connection to it besides like I said adding to the localities category. If you have any pictures of Rahat you should add them to better illustrate the article and category. -- Al Ameer son 18:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Category CfDs

As the sole editor, you can tag them with {{db-author}} and get them removed much faster. --fuzzy510 22:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup. Any type of media is fair game for that tag as long as you're deleting in good faith. --fuzzy510 22:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Instead of deleting them, I'd just make a note that you tagged them with the appropriate tag. Deleting the nominations generally isn't a good idea. --fuzzy510 22:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, fellow number! number29^(Talk) 10:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Arab Knesset Members

Congrats on finishing the Israeli election stuff. I don't know if it was you (though I think it might have been) who totalled the number of Arab Knesset Members at the top of the article. I had intentionally left that off because I never quite finished the list and knew that there were more. I got the names from a very cursory look at the Knesset website, and then cross referenced the names that sounded Arabic with newspaper articles and books to confirm their ethnicity. The ones who fall between the founding of the state and the creation of the internet tend not to be found as easily. Here are some others who are unconfirmed but likely (and I'm sure I'm still missing some). Question marks denote the more dubious ones. See what you can find. Keep up the good work.

Ahmed A-Dahar (4th, 5th) Mahmud A-Nashaf (4th) Halil-Salim Jabara (5th) Diyab Ovid (5th, 6th, 7th) Elias Nahale? (4th, 5th, 6th, 7th) Nuzhat Katzsab? (8th) Shafik Asaad (9th) Hanna Mwais (9th) Hamad Khalaily (10th) Amal Nasereldeen (8th, 9th, 10th, 11th) Zeidan Atashi? (9th, 11th) Mohammed Miari (11th, 12th) Hussein Faris (12th) Asaad Asaad (13th) Haneh Hadad? (13th)

• Additional notes:

Emil Habibi was not in the 4th Abdul-Aziz Zoabi is also in the 7th and 8th Hamad Abu-Rabia is also in the 9th Muhammed Wattad also in 11th Cheeselouise 00:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Update

I didn't realize before that most of the MKs I listed above you had already added in your edits to the page. The five confirmed additions to the page, which I will make shortly, are Diyab Ovid, Amal Nasereldeen, Zeidan Atashi, Haneh Hadad, and one we both missed, Tzalach Saliman. I just found that if you do an advanced search for MKs on the Knesset website you can specify "minority" and it will list all the Arab or Druze MKs, and the total it lists is 54--the same total currently on the Arab Members of Knesset entry we've been editing before these five new additions. After a closer look, it is apparent that the Knesset website is in fact wrong, as it does not list the following five MKs as being Arab, even though other sources say they are: Haneh Hadad, Abdulwahab Darawshe, Rafik Haj Yahia, Hashem Mahameed, and Walid Sadik. Any ideas for why this may be?

Hapoel Petach Tikva

It looks stupid that the club crests of Petah Tikva clubs say Hapoel Petach Tikva in clear English and yet we call them by how we have transliterated them. I know that you hate my suggestions and edits, but it is really rediculous if a club has an English name written out and we use our own spelling, so I propose that we change this. -NYC2TLV 00:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank for creating the election templates. It helps for a good overview of electoral history around the world. I added the existing templates at Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referenda/Overview of results, creating an index of Wikipeda election results. Electionworld Talk? 18:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Senate

I was top quick to re-add the Senate. The Dutch Senate is indirect elected, but the provincial elections are widely considerd to be Eerste Kamer (Senate) elections too. I think we can make an exception here. Electionworld Talk? 20:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It is arguable. But about Belgium: The Belgian Senate is partially directly elected in the general elections. These should be included. Electionworld Talk? 21:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Montenegrin elections

...but I still cannot even confirm that they occurred then (I inserted the data), and the elections for the "Serbian National Assembly of Montenegro" were highly different from the one today. At first, they were just representative and later also bicameral until abolished. Shouldn't you wait just at least a little. --PaxEquilibrium 14:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The latter... but as I said I neither confirmed it nor do they form a whole. --PaxEquilibrium 19:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

And look how big it is. --PaxEquilibrium 20:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I am. Well yeah, practically the same situation is with that - but know that if you asked me if there was any difference between Serbs and Croats, I'd also say that the sole additional thing is that one follows one branch of Christianity insignificantly different from the other. And Bosniacs are just followers of Islam.... ;) --PaxEquilibrium 22:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Err.. did I confuse you or something? ;X --PaxEquilibrium 20:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for re-opening this subject after such a long time, but check out Constitution of Montenegro and compare the two constitutions. It might give ya your answers. --PaxEquilibrium 20:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

New article

Hi #57,

An editor started a new article The elections for the position of the chairman of the Labor Party and its candidate for the prime ministership 2007. With your many edits and contributions on Israeli and world elections, I am interested in your opinion. If you think (like myself) that the title should be changed, please voice your opinion on the talk page. Thanks, Derwig 16:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

standard formatting

Where would one go to discuss what the formatting should be for the dates in the election templates? 71.102.132.76 09:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

spelling?

Any particular reason you're messing with the Kochav Hashachar spelling, when the English-speaking residents spell it with a ch and not with an h, per the yeshuv website? --- Vonfraginoff 20:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi,

Thanks for dropping by on Negev bedouins. The article does need help. I think it would benefit from some images. Do you know where I can find some (that are not a copyright violation)?Vice regent 20:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, and does it matter? The articles I have seen, though, use Bedouin in the title (e.g. Israel and the Bedouin of the Negev). You can go ahead and change it.Vice regent 20:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Can I use the images here[8]? I don't see a copyright on them.Vice regent 20:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for disturbing you, but I added an image to the article. I found it where in the creative commons of www.flickr.com where the author has allowed the image to be used for non-commerical purposes.Vice regent 21:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. Don't worry about it.Vice regent 21:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

President of Israel

Beautiful job done with the table. Thanks, DGtal 22:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Minor political parties

Minor political parties, that didn't participate in the 2006 elections and don't have large public following, do not meet Wikipedia criteria to have their own entries. The right way is to redirect each one to List of political parties in Israel#Minor political parties, where these parties are listed with their web sites , so that anyone interested can go there directly and read about the party. --Gabi S. 06:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:ORG, that you seem to know, says it explicitly:

Individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not notable enough to warrant a separate article unless sufficient notability is established through reliable sources. However, chapter information is welcome for inclusion into wikipedia in list articles as long as only verifiable information is included. [...] The organization’s longevity, size of membership, or major achievements, or other factors specific to the organization may be considered.

In my opinion, small parties in Israel that don't have longevity, size of membership, or major achievements, have to be included in list articles only. Doesn't it make sense to you? --Gabi S. 16:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, well. The Natural Law Party of Israel might be notable, I can live with it. The National Bolshevik Party of Israel should indeed be merged with its friends into a single article; I can do it but I think you can actually do it better. But Bead Artseinu is really so non-notable, by any criteria, that I don't believe it deserves more than a bullet on the "minor parties" list. --Gabi S. 18:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Mamilla

Hello 57,

The image realignment on Mamilla caused bunching up, which is one of the reasons I formatted it the way I did. I don't want to break your realignment, but I won't fix it as I'm not sure how exactly your realignment was supposed to work. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 03:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Category:Israeli settlements

I've copied a message and my response from my Talk to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel to get greater input Tewfik^Talk 17:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I've readded all the settlements in the subcats back to the top one too - I think it's important to have them all listed in one place too.

Also, I have been removing them from the ... in Israel categories as they are not in Israel. Number 57 10:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation is just that, a method of organisation, and it shouldn't be confused with content. All of the Israeli settlements are labelled as such in their leads, and are already in subcategories of Category:Israeli settlements. Furthermore, removing them all from Israeli local government hierarchy is quite unhelpful, as regardless of their international status, they are officially and practically part of Israeli local government, and not some fictional West Bank or Golan Heights local government. Again, this is a matter of organisation, and not content, and so I've reverted the changes until further discussion (the changes have in the past also been contested by Eliyak and DLand). Tewfik^Talk 17:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Considering that consensus on this discussion came out against your categorisation, the burden is on you, not me, with all due respect. I'll be glad to continue discussion with you, but I don't appreciate your framing this in a way that looks like I was sneaking some POV in, when this was all clearly explained above as doubly categorising the entries (and I see now that the new scheme has also sacrificed some detail), and I am thus returning everything to the position supported by that discussion until a new consensus arises. Tewfik^Talk 16:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Moshe Katsav

What's done, is done. You could've (however) discussed removing 'interim Presidents' from this page (and the other former Israeli Presidents pages), before actually 'kicking them out'. Anyways, I'm not going to reverse your edits (since I personally, agree with them). GoodDay 23:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

It's alright (no big deal), removing the 'acting/interim' presidents is more accurate. PS- keep the 'vacant' and Shimon Peres (elect) in Katsav's Infobox (until Peres is inaugurated). GoodDay 15:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ir Ovot

Based on the research I did, I believe it is a former kibbutz, though admittedly the whole story is a bit convoluted. I'm not even quite sure at this point which regional council it is in. The Jerusalem Post article talks about it formerly being in the Central Arava, but the current digs are being partially financed by Tamar, and it seems to be right on the border between the two. My guess is that the borders were modified since the eighties due to other towns being established in that area, but I haven't very much to go on in either direction. Tewfik^Talk 23:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Kadima

Why do you bother sticking in templates to articles like this when it takes a minute to find a source on google? It would be far more helpful to wikipedia to do that rather than demanding references for facts that most people recognise to be true. Number 57 08:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the claim that kadima is regarded as centrist by most of the western media is extremely dubious and subjective, and it is absolutely not recognised by most people, certainly not by me, to be true. An unsourced claim such as that is a threat to Wikipedia's neutrality and verifiability.Nwe 17:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You still haven't answered the question: Why didn't you take a minute to go and find a source on google and actually improve Wikipedia? Number 57 08:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Because I do not want to spend my time attempting to verify a claim that I believe to be false. If other people believed in that dubious statement, it was their responsibility to back it up. There are other areas of wikipedia far more deserving of my time.Nwe 19:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

RE:PRODS

Hello! I hope you are feeling great. Firstly allow me to state that I have removed these prods as I believe that these two clubs warrent an article by themselves. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 14:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Little context in Template:Afghanistani elections

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Controversial moves

Please do not move articles without first achieving consensus, especially in cases where there is significant opposition, i.e. Yom Ha'atzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim. Thank you, DLand^TALK 15:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Adding contentious statements to Knesset article

I have replied to you. Robert Ham 08:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Keynsham Town F.C.

I see you have edited this article. Just wondering why you have taken away the managers and players section?

But to the people of Keynsham, this information is appropriate and relevent, and also important. I know that the first team was missing lots of players, but I can update that. Muffin Man 23 15:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Me again. I have been on the website that it appears you have copied and pasted from. Not only is this a possible copyright violation, but this page is old as proved in [9], as it clearly states Season 04/05. There have been changes since then like a new manager and also relegation. Muffin Man 23 19:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Seems someone else did that. I've updated the page, but not the missing players section. I will add the players back in. I dont know if you've seen Portishead A.F.C., but they have one, and in WP:NOTE it states in the bottom paragraph that content doesn't need to meet the notability standard. Muffin Man ²³ 21:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

President of Israel

Hello 57,

Actually, I think the home countries of the Presidents of Israel is relevant. Think of the fact that all of these leaders came from another country, or one that did not exist yet. Any president of France, Germany, the USA, etc, where born in those countries. The fact the these Israeli presidents survived the pogroms and conditions in the countries of their birth, or felt compelled enough to leave them, says a lot. It's a very unique situation here. Yes, you can see that information in their bios, but their term in office is also in their bios. I can't see how this hurts the page, and many of us would find where they are from relevant. I don't create fluff here on Wikipedia, and neither do you. But I do feel this should be there, and it really does not hurt the page, but adds to it. Is that not what we are all about here?

I would like to revert it back, and do not wish to engage in an edit war here. What do you think? Cheers and thanks --RobNS 15:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The information is not relevant to the table, which is aimed at showing a list of the presidents, their terms and their political affiliation. There is a new section on backgrounds which could be enlarged instead. Number 57 15:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I see the new backgrounds section and you are right, it works just fine. I might add to the backgrounds a bit, but the table you created is right just the way you had it.--RobNS 15:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistani is dumb

We do not use the term "Afghanistani", please use "Afghan" instead. Can you please move all the names "Afghanistani" to "Afghan" in the Afghan election articles because I am having hard time doing it myself. I am new here.--Chore 17:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

football league templates

Good work on applying {{tnavbar-header}} :-) You might want to check out User:Tompw/allclubs to make sure you catch 'em all. Tompw (talk) (review) 19:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi! A quick question: Would you mind stating your opinion on whether 2007 Swazi general strike is notable or not? There's a discussion on the talk page, but with rather limited input from just two users up to now. Thanks! —Nightstallion 14:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Please see a reply to you on my talk page. —Markles 12:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

UNSC elections

Don't know how we could miss these! Based on United Nations Security Council election, 2006, could you create the template with the past elections? I'd do it, but I have no clue when they first started... —Nightstallion 18:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, did it myself. What do you think? {{United Nations elections}}, United Nations Security Council election, 2007 and United Nations Security Council election, 2008. :) —Nightstallion 22:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Poll about Category:FA Premier League clubs and similar categories

I've created a poll to decide what to do with Category:FA Premier League clubs and similar categories at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#A_few_category_names. Feel free to vote (and voice your opinions) and alert other related Wikipedians. Thanks. Chanheigeorge 18:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Religious villages in Israel

i've noticed an issue of changing the category on the gush katif block from Category:Religious villages in Israel to Category:Religious Israeli settlements.

I'm aware that there's a problem with the designation of the gaza strip while it was under israeli control, esp. when considering settlements. best i'm aware, egypt was occupying the area for a number of years, and later israel occupied it and if we go further back in time, it was occupied by the british and before that by the ottomans. considering the establishment of this block was under the flag of the israeli gov. and that there was no other recognized gov. or control in the area, i'd tend to support the first category (in israel) over the latter one.

since i do not wish to turn this into a revert war, i'm turning to you to either persuade me or to suggest alternatives to end this dispute in a proper manner.

p.s.1. i don't recall seeing the previous discussion you and the other editor are mentioning in the edit summary.
p.s.2. i would have written this on an article talk page rather than your personal page, but this one is about more than a single article. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 17:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I've replied. Tewfik^Talk 10:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Jenin

Don't get me wrong, I think your suggestion has merit, but I'm concerned that no matter who comes, unless he/she is a total saint, we're dooooomed. Doomed I say! Kyaa the Catlord 16:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Requesting feedback regarding edits made on the Incense Route article

Hi, I came across the Incense Route article and noticed that though generally correct this version was lacking footnotes or citations. I've made a few major edits to the article and was hoping for some feedback and suggestions. Kindly take a look into it and tell me what you think about the edits. Best Wishes, Havelock the Dane 09:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I was nervous contacting established users and your reply has encoraged me to continue editing here and try my level best to expand/improve articles of interest using only the most reliable of sources. Regards, Havelock the Dane 10:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Once again, thank you for the kind words of encouragement. Havelock the Dane 10:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Sherut Leumi

Your first link in the external links didn't work. can you fix it? Leppi 11:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Not only Palestinian claims

please note that your edit here - Battle of Jenin intro - reinserted errors, unsupported by sources, into the article (jenin website and UN report). specifically, non of the the cited paragraphs of the UN source mentions the EU as making any official statement that the camp was attacked indiscriminately. please consider correcting this and reinstating the material i self reverted due to your sudden partial revert during my incremental edits. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 13:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The Afd of Jerusalemite

Hi, you made a delete argument on the Adf of Jerusalemite. You haven't been back to review the discussion and I was wondering if you would care to do that. I argued for keep in the same discussion, though I see the article needs a rewrite. I think the discussion is stalled and I won't comment any more as I've made one comment too many already. If I'm out of line, please allow me to offer my apologies in advance. -- Steve Hart 04:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment and for having a look. I see the page is redirected now, and I guess that's fine. I do have a book in storage somewhere, just didn't have the time to find it and engage in the debate anymore than I did. Again, thanks for reviewing the issue. -- Steve Hart 18:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Your bot

(SatyrBot) Keeps adding WikiProject Judaism templates to Israeli political parties. I don't think this is particularly merited, especially for decidedly secular parties! Number 57 08:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Number 57! The bot is working on a list of categories provided to me by WikiProject Judaism. I suggest mentioning to them that at least one of the categories is incorrect - perhaps you could provide them with a couple articles that have been tagged that shouldn't? They have said they'll be reviewing all the articles to make sure they haven't over-bannered. Thanks for your input! And sorry for any inconvenience! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 08:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Yugoslavian elections

I've replied (regarding the elections). --PaxEquilibrium 16:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

?--PaxEquilibrium 18:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Dah... do you agree/disagree (I don't rest until articles are results of compromise)? --PaxEquilibrium 11:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one I mean.

I was also awaiting some kind of surprise that there were no Serbo-Montenegrin elections to tell the truth. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 11:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No, but in 2003 when Federation was deformed into a State Union, the republics' parliaments elected deputies directly into the Parliament of Serbia and Montenegro (appointed). Many criticized that, because the opposition was somewhat misrepresented and only put symbolically to emulate that the ruling coalitions are not totally imposing (especially in Montenegro) their own will. The State Union was given a 3-year mandate period after which if Montenegro and Serbia don't agree on mutual integration, general elections be held where citizens can vote directly for the Parliament on proportional system. However just before the election for the Parliament, Montenegro held an independence referendum to avoid it and ended the union.

Well, yeah; that's an Upper House (in a way). --PaxEquilibrium 12:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

That, or the fact that after the 3-year trial period (if they don't use it) both republics temporary lose the right of self-determination and the 2006 Parliament of S&M was supposed to be a Constitutional one. The main issue is that the President supported his country's dissolution (!) so that integration was never conducted, but only preparations for independence. I mean I couldn't stop actually hysterically laughing after I heard this for the first time, is there any other example in history where the President is actively working to dissolve his very state? :))) --PaxEquilibrium 13:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you remember of any other such example in the world? --PaxEquilibrium 14:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

And the head of state of Pakistan? Was he from the Awami League? --PaxEquilibrium 15:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Aha, neither was there an election for President of Serbia and Montenegro (and he was undoubtedly the strongest man because he was both head of state and government - there was no separate post). Well the Awami League in Pakistan, at least, had majority, unlike in S&M, right? --PaxEquilibrium 15:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

BZ

Hi, you said, "Official English title of province is South Tyrol. Who is preventing the article from being so named and why?". Please note that the area is referred to by not only South Tyrol in English but also by Alto Adige, the Province of Bolzano, and the Province of Bolzano-Bozen. This is English, right? :-) [10][11]. The official title of the province is definitely not "Province of South Tyrol" or "South Tyrol". As in all Italian provinces the province is simply named after the major city (Venice, Province of Venice, Milan, Province of Milan). That is why it is the Provincia di Bolzano in Italian and Provinz Bozen in German. Typical English for this is Province of Bolzano, but we went with the more neutral solution cited from Brittanica, who simply use Bolzano-Bozen. It is a bit difficult to be more neutral than that, isn't it? Anyhow.. Icsunonove 20:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hong Kong elections

Please stop. The 2005 election was a by-election to fill a vacancy. The winner served only the remainder of the term of the predecessor. The legislative elections listed include those held before the transfer of sovereignty, in other words, before the current flag is used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baksando (talk • contribs) 22:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

No. It was a by-election, regardless of its nature. Previous flag(s) has/ve to be included as long as some of the elections were held before the current flag was adopted. Baksando 22:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It was definitely a by-election. If old flags are not put in place in other templates, do so. (Few countries would have experienced transfer of sovereignty.) Baksando 23:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

Are you interested in an RfA nomination? -- Y not? 08:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do. Shall a draft a nomination? -- Y not? 02:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I'll do it tomorrow (GMT -5) b'li neder. -- Y not? 03:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Answer the questions, adjust the time, transclude, and enjoy. Good luck. -- Y not? 17:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Parliamentary and congressional

Do you know what is a parliament and what is a congress? Don't you think calling everything parliamentary a bit Anglo-centric? Baksando 18:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Macau and Macanese

Do you know what does Macanese mean? Baksando 18:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Be'er Sheva North Railway Station

An editor has proposed Be'er Sheva North Railway Station for deletion. What do you think? --Redaktor 16:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

FIFA 08

The use of the Ulster Banner in this case has nothing to do with sport, see the discussion between User:Traditional unionist on his and my talk pages, where he states the flag is being used to represent Northern Ireland as a country.--padraig 21:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

your user box

hi. i was trying to put your "opposition to the death penalty user box" on my user page but it didn't come out after a copy and paste. I am assuming that your OK with me "taking it." I am new around here and I find it easier to take action and then have someone tell me it is not OK then to look up rules. Anyway, if you don't mind, please paste that user box on my user page. --LAZY 1L 21:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA

Please see my comment under the latest oppose. Thanks, ELIMINATORJR 00:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• No problem, and you are correct that there was obvious off-wiki canvassing. ELIMINATORJR 10:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I hope that you'll consider keeping your RfA going. It's starting to come to the attention of the community that unfair actions are being taken by your opponents. This could result in a backlash that could earn you a lot of support votes. Cla68 14:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

It would certainly be ironic if this happened. A 'crat has already struck one oppose vote. ELIMINATORJR 16:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I urge you not to withdraw, personally. It's your choice, of course. —Nightstallion 17:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Number57, you have my support on your RfA. This is my first time voting on RfA- As a member of WikiProject Israel, I find the action of some of your opponents (most btw not members of the project) distasteful. I am certain you would make a good admin. Derwig 08:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Number 57,

Some of the comments being made on your RfA are absolutely out of line, and you don't deserve to be subjected to them. I want to make clear to you that my objection to your promotion at this time stems only from the issues which I have outlined in my remarks, and not from any animus, content-based or otherwise. The nature of the process is such that my comments can be weighed by uninvolved, experienced editors who can draw their own judgements about your merits, and discard as unrepresentative or illegitimate comments by myself or others if they see fit. I wish you the best of luck in your candidacy, as I believe that the process generally works around here. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 07:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It was not clear to me if the effect of the canvassing would favor or hinder your RfA, but the fact that it happened makes me doubt if the process is still neutral. If there is doubt on such an important question then I must oppose. Tim Vickers 17:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking at this in more detail, I was wrong. This was clearly an attempt to gather oppose votes. My apologies. Tim Vickers 17:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

You're now an admin. Spend some (more) time on the admin reading list, and be conservative with your shiny new tools, especially blocking. Learning to de-escalate situations can be much more valuable than swinging the club. Also self assess and to the extent that it can help you be a better editor, take into account the opposition in your RfA. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask questions. Again, congrats. - Taxman ^Talk 06:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 06:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

congrats. i hope things go well for you with the new tools.

p.s. i hope you appreciate that i did not bring up our little tousle, i thought it would be vindictive and pointless. :) Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 07:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. See you around the project. Cla68 06:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, just goes to show that not taking my advice to withdraw was a good plan :) ELIMINATORJR 08:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on passing. The crats made the system look good. Please remember never to use the administrative tools where you edit, more so where you edit controversially. Since you seem to edit controversially sometimes :) I though perhaps it would be good to tell you this, though I'm sure you've read the relevant policies. Good luck and I'll see you around. -- Y not? 10:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the successfull RfA - second Y's comments above. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 14:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. Hope to be able to call on you in the future ha ha no hard felings for my opposition was not personal. So well done. BigDunc 18:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Why you delete " Comparison of database tools article "

Hi, I don't knew why you delete the Article "Comparison of database tools article", pleaze restore it.

Studley Darts

Hi 57. You deleted the Studley Darts page, why? I don't beleive you have any affinity to the game of darts? Studley Darts League is one of the oldest darts leagues in the country. It has spawned a current world class player and thousands have played for it over the past 45 years. Please reinstate the page. Thank you.

Page delete

Hi 57, I hope I'm doing this right, but I'm the editor of the page on Linda Levi the Los Angeles artist. You deleted it because you didn't "see her significance." Apparently, I have to recreate it and show more information on her. She is important in Los Angeles, now a major world art center, and the United States, for many reasons. One, she was one of the founders of the women's art movement in Los Angeles. And two, she was a founding director of Womenspace, in 1971, the first non-profit institution to recognize and exhibit women artists in the United States. So, I'll try again. How do you respond to this? Will you undelete the article and I'll add more information?

Thanks, barbaraleif

Hi 57, again-I believe you said you would paste the original on my talk page; I don't see it there and it would help me to use the basic info to write again. Thanks, barbaraleif —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaraleif (talk • contribs) 10:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello 57. You deleted The Vision Depot, my corporation, citing "blatant advertising". Yet I'm doing nothing different than any of my competitors or partners! In fact, while there were 2 sentences talking about my company (none were "advertisements", 90% of my copy was informative information on machine vision, and its importance in today's society. You marked it for speedy deletion, and I think this is unfair. Please let me know how I can get my page back up, because I'm not sure you thoroughly checked out the content-rich information. Thank you.

jpweber —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpweber (talk • contribs) 19:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Hope 4 U Worship

Hello 57, It's me again, I am not the pastor, but I am the pastors son who designed the website. I have added on the page that reuse is allowed. Also I will remove the service times. Please let me know what other changes are needed to make the article existent.

Thanks

Hope 4 U Worship

Hello 57, I am the creator of the website www.hope4uworship.org and my page on wiki was deleted for copyright infringement. Please repost the information I submitted to wiki, if I need to add on my website that copying is allowed I will do so.

Thanks

Matrix(mathematics)

Hi 57 is it possible you could have a look at this for me dont know how to make the text more readable if possible could you fix it for me or if not you might know someone who could thanks in advance Text Problem. BigDunc 09:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi,

I succeeded at my RfA nomination.

Thanks for supporting me - תודה! I shall not disappoint you! --Amir E. Aharoni 00:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Fabrictramp RFA

Thank you for your support in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 50 supports, 1 neutral, and 1 oppose. My goal is to keep earning your trust every time I grab the "mop". (And I'm always open to constructive criticism and advice!) Again, thanks. --Fabrictramp 15:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Wang Hao(Table Tennis)

I noticed that you recently deleted the redirect at Wang Hao(Table Tennis). I don't think this is an implausible typo or misnomer for Wang Hao (table tennis). There is was an article that points to this spelling, and ten other pages that also did link to Wang Hao(Table Tennis), which I think shows that it is a likely candidate for a misspelling. Please clarify. Thanks, Lisatwo 13:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining things. Cheers, Lisatwo 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

For correcting my spelling in the Birya affair article. I know my spelling and syntax are less than perfect, so usually I contribute by adding a picture to an existing article. However, I wanted to write this one for many reasons, and it's good to see that someone bothered with correcting my mistakes. Pelegisrael 14:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Sailboat dimensions

Why did you delete my article? It was a work in progress started this morning. When I got back to it this afternoon, you'd deleted it.

Sailboat dimensions are important in the technical areas of PHRF racing, box rules, etc. I looked for a definition of J dimension and seeing that it wasn't there, started a page. Eventually, this was going to be referred to from various sailboat class pages, for example the Olson 30 page. Please undelete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CSears (talk • contribs) 00:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI (heading style)

FYI, the External links section should always be written as such, even if there's just one link. See this section. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 19:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Aus election template

If you insist on changing it, can you please set it so that the second template on all the election pages (politics of australia) also shows in full by default as well. Thankyou. Timeshift 11:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Template

Hi. I attempted to create a new template, for Knesset speakers. It is my first attempt of template creation, and it is based on the Israeli Presidents one. Will you please have a look in my Sandbox, and see if any adjustments are needed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derwig (talk • contribs) 18:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks -- Derwig 19:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I found the images on Hebrew Wikipedia. Some of the images there were uploaded to commons, see the one on Moshe Kol's page. When you click the image, the description of the image comes up, with a link to the original page on "ויקישיתוף". The template used for Kol's image on commons would probably apply to many other MK's (requiring 50 years from creation), and can be used for free-use rationale when uploading images from the Knesset website. -- Derwig 14:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Sockpupets right to vanish

Please comment.User_talk:Avraham#About_the_right_of_sockpupetry_to_vanish--יודל 13:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

You

Wow... I see you've been deleting up a storm! Guess we're happy you were promoted - now you're doing all the work around here. Thanks for your efforts. -- Y not? 04:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Page delete again

I just wrote you a note, but I don't know if I put it in the right place. You said you would paste the original Linda Levi article into my talk page but I don't see it, and I'd like to use it as a reference.

Thanks, barbaraleif —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaraleif (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Page delete again, again

Thanks, I got the paste up. But, I don't have time, now, to do all the work. So, someone I know who is an art dealer is going to write the article, and use the original.

Barbaraleif 23:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)barbaraleif

SuperbHosting.net

Hi there, I was creating a page for SuperbHosting.net, and it was deleted as 'blatant advertising.' The page had little to do about advertising; it gave a history of the creation of the site and described the types of hosting services provided. The page was not close to complete, however, to avoid losing the content - when I was previewing, there was a clear warning that the page had not been saved, so I quickly saved.

To ensure the article being created was neutral, I had pulled pages for several comparable hosting sites and was following their formats: Hostway DreamHost Aplus.net Rackspace

Had I known the page would be reviewed and deleted upon hitting 'Save,' I would have copied and pasted the content to a text document and simply saved it there. As one of the oldest hosting companies - over 11 years in the Industry - it is relevant for the company to have an article; the company pre-dates the adoption of the Internet by popular culture/the average person by almost 5 years and survived the dot-com bust - no easy feat.

Can this article be restored and so it can be completed for a second review? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superbhosting (talk • contribs) 19:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for the quick respsonse. As mentioned, the article was not completed and references were to be added as the final piece of the puzzle. As well, if you review the references on the companies previously mentioned, a majority of them are not third-party, rather, they exist on the website of the company being represented.

I don't really consider the statement: SuperbHosting.net offers a full range of hosting solutions, to be advertising propaganda; it's a statement of fact. The statement was followed by links within wikipedia that provide unbiased information - not advertising - and was intended to be a very small part of the article. It's simply what the company does, and I never said we were the best at it or anything along those lines.

I understand the potential for a conflict of interest, but many large corporations manage and monitor their listings on Wikipedia; as an Internet company, it is more relevant to the company, and I chose the username on purpose. Rather than face scrutiny/controversy in the future, I was up-front about the affiliation.

Again, is it possible to have the article restored and reviewed upon completion rather than in its infancy, as it was? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superbhosting (talk • contribs) 20:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's for you to decide whether or not I'm the right person to write or contribute to ANY article, and your unwillingness to accomodate a request to allow me to complete an article before having it reviewed and deleted seems a little harsh. Especially when it was simply inexperience in the arena that allowed you to read the article in the first place. You're acting like some sort of wiki-nazi - no posting, 2 weeks!

I see in other comments that you've acted the same way with others; you may consider a less heavy-handed approach to your volunteer work and simply request people make adjustments to articles based on complaints X, Y, and Z rather than simply deleting articles on a whim. Those of us less-versed in using wiki's spend a lot of time making our contributions and shouldn't be automatically penalized based on your subjective opinion of content produced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superbhosting (talk • contribs) 20:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Moved from user page

hey i don't know how to write you but i have been trying to update Prashant Chopra because this is what the google results show:

Prashant Chopra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Prashant Chopra is a founder of the Campus EAI consortium. He was arrested On September 29th, 2007 as part of an internet sting of people soliciting sex ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prashant_Chopra - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

I want to remove this as it is a cached personal attack. How can this be done?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.124.38 (talk • contribs)

Articles removed...

Hi,

I see that you removed some articles that I published yesterday.

I have no clue if I'm doing this right. This Wiki stuff is very complicated and I have been directed to use about 200 different things in the last 8 hours including the "Help Desk", my "Talk Page", your "Talk Page", things called "templates" and other stuff and I'm now going cross-eyed.

I have 3 pages that I have created that have been deleted:

   * Runtime Design Automation
   * Flowtracer
   * RTDA Network Computer

The first is a company that produces software that my company uses. The second and third are pieces of software that they produce that we use. I looked at one of their competitor's pages for an example so they would not come off as SPAM:

   * Platform Computing
   * Load Sharing Facility

The first is the company. The second is one of their products. Why can these pages be on there but the ones that I am trying to create are deleted? Is it because I don't have 3rd-party external links or something? If so, well, Load Sharing Facility doesn't either. They only link that is on that page is back to the vendor that produces it.

I have to say that my attempt at adding some content in Wikipedia has been extremely frustrating. I've spent about 8 hours trying to learn the syntax and different portions of this app and after doing that, everything was canned.

Janbur (just so you know, I didn't write the below comment, I don't know who did that)

My apologies

Hi there, I want to apologize if my comment regarding 'wiki-nazi' was taken as uncivil rather than humorous. It's a reference to the soup nazi, and was meant as nothing more than a reference to a pop-culture term. Superbhosting 21:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

MNE

Please check out Template talk:Montenegrin elections. --PaxEquilibrium 21:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

RosAsm's wikipedia page deletion on purpose.

You are WRONG to delete the page.

It's not :

Recreation of deleted material. A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version and that any changes to it do not address the reasons for which it was deleted. This does not apply to content that has been moved to user space, undeleted via deletion review, or deleted via "proposed deletion", or to speedy deletions (although in that case, the previous speedy criterion, or other speedy criteria, may apply).

Because i just wrote it with my hands a few hours ago.

Erase the talk page, erase the page. Where's the talk in that? RosAsm is a 10 year old assembler!!! www.rosasm.org

I want a full explanation for deleting the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.174.241 (talk) 21:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of PassMark Software Pty Ltd

Hello Number 57,

I note that you deleted the above page citing 'blatant advertising'.

I added the page because it appears that wikipedia approves the existence of several of its competitors (i.e. Everest Software, SiSoftware Sandra, FutureMark & Bapco, Bytemark).

I added it because its product PerformanceTest is listed amongst the benchmarking applications shown in 'Benchmark (computing)'. I thought I was doing a good job of letting people know a little about the company that produces the software. I didn't list everything they make (unlike some of its competitors) and I didn't add any hyperbole or endorsements regarding the quality of the software or the company.

I humbly request that you review your decision regarding the deletion of this page. Alternatively, can you please tell me what I need to do to make it more appropriate.

Yours sincerely,

The Bench —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bench (talk • contribs) 06:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the Table for Two complaint that someone added to my text. To the person who added it, please create a new message, don't add your stuff to someone else's message.

Yasser Arafat peer review

Greetings Number 57, I have dropped in to ask of you to review the Yasser Arafat article. Scartol and I have been working on the article endlessly to expand, verify and reference, copyedit and to keep an NPOV. We thought it would be a good idea to get members of Wiki:Project Israel with a history of hard work and NPOV editing to overview it to make sure the article is fair. Any points that you want to bring up can be discussed here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Yasser Arafat --Al Ameer son 21:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey no problem, whenever you have time you can look over controversial text in the article so we it could be as neutral as possible. Thank you so much. --Al Ameer son 03:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Two questions

Hello there. I found your userpage by tracing back Al Ameer son's request for a review of Yasser Arafat, on which I've been working with him. Glancing through your userboxes, I found two head-scratchers; I hope you won't mind if I ask:

1. How do you reconcile being both a democrat and a monarchist?
2. Why do you consider organic farming a bad thing? I'm not trying to be annoying, I've just never heard any criticism of it (apart from Monsanto shills).

Cheers! – Scartol · Talk 13:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Avram Grant

Perfectly reasonable. I'll semi-protect the redirect. Cool Hand Luke 15:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see it's already been done. Cool Hand Luke 15:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

PassMark Software

Hello User 57,

Thank you for your prompt response. I take on board the comments re: format and apologise as it was my first time at posting.

I'm still a little unsure as to why certain other companies whose format is almost identical are allowed whilst PassMark isn't. e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuremark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiSoftware_Sandra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everest_%28software%29

It isn't all that important to me so I guess I'll drop it. I have to say that I'm surprised at the summary nature with which these decisions are made. It was my understanding that if articles are not up to scratch then users are given the opportunity to amend them. Knowing that it is possible to spend hours researching and writing something and then have it instantly deleted without consultation/communication does dampen my enthusiasm for making future contributions.

Cheers, The Bench —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bench (talk • contribs) 06:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I can understand that just because other companies/products are present this doesn't justify inclusion of another one. However, shouldn't there be consistency of application once quality/notability have been decided? Your message to me indicated that the examples I provided were not appropriate for wikipedia and so you have lodged deletion notices. Why are you not 'speedy deleting' them in the same way as you deleted mine?

I'm really having trouble understanding how this process works. Does fairness play any part of this at all?

Regards, The Bench

Cdncc.com

Hi. You deleted an article on Cdncc.com

I believe the site is noteworthy, being one of the oldest of it's kind in Canada and having a completely unique Usenet feature in parallel which no other classifieds site has.

Should I have just focused on those 2 main qualities instead and left it at that? Rather than provide additional details about the site which were more commonplace?

Thanks for the input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paris1745 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find any newpaper articles on the site and I am not aware of any trade journals that exist on the subject. I have used this site for years and many others, it does have a distinct service. I have rewritten a trimmed down version noting it's unique usenet quality, would this be an acceptable entry:

First launched in October 2000, it is one of the oldest online nationwide classifieds in Canada, since then they have expanded to include the U.S.A.

Cdncc.com is distinguided from every other classifieds website by providing a parallel Usenet gateway of buy and sell ads alongside regular website classified ads.

External links
Official Homepage
Company Press Release

See also
bracket bracket Classifieds]]
bracket bracketCategory:Advertising]] Paris1745 14:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages deleted

so you can't have a talk page for an article that doesn't exist? Why not? 203.129.63.129 05:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Request on Flowtracer

Hi Number 57. I've declined the speedy deletion of the above, as the article weekly asserts importance (they have patented a process). It's dodgy. You may well wish to take it to WP:AFD however. Best. Pedro :  Chat  15:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hold on! You're an admin! You could have speedied it yourself! Pedro :  Chat  15:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay - fair enough! It was the line "Flowtracer also uses a patented technology" that gave me pause. It's weak, but being patented does vaguely assert some significance. May as well AFD it though, where it probably won't survive. Pedro :  Chat  15:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Election links

I have created redirects so that we don't have a double-redirect or redlink situation, fixing the articles to point to the correct name, then when I'm sure there's no double redirects, I am intending to move the articles. Consensus has been established twice for this move (once five months ago and once more recently) on the WT:AUSPOL talk page. Orderinchaos 15:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

References and links

Hello 57, I took over for barbaraleif and I'm writing the Linda Levi page. As you suggested to her I'm adding more significance and detail. I've been able to link references to an outside page, like Jon Schueler's book to Amazon, but I can't figure out how to do inner references. For example, like his name, Jon Schueler, to his book reference, The Sound of Slate etc. which is a 1. I'm having the same problem for all the references they all need to be referred to in the text. I've tried to figure it out from Wikipedia help but.... Artbuffer 20:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC) Artbuffer

Bangin' On Wax 2... The Saga Continues

It is a implausible typo. The only difference with the redirect is the capital "O" in the word "on". If that's not implausible, then what the hell it is? Reply here, thank you.--Tasc0 20:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you seriously saying that accidently capitalising the only word in the title that is not capitalised is implausible? I think its perfectly possible and therefore a legitimate redirect. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Search will target the redirect. I've seen a lot of redirects like this one being deleted.--Tasc0 18:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

re:Cdncc.com deletion

re:"...In order for the article to be kept, you need to provide independent third party sources (such as newspaper or trade journal articles) about the company, otherwise it will fail..."

I couldn't find any newspaper articles on the website (seeing as free online classifieds are taking away business from traditional news sources and newspapers it seems unlikely to happen) and I am not aware of any trade journals that exist on the subject.

I have used this site for years and many others, it does have a distinct service. I have rewritten a trimmed down version noting it's unique usenet quality, would this be an acceptable entry, thanks:

First launched in October 2000, it is one of the oldest online nationwide classifieds in Canada, since then they have expanded to include the U.S.A.

Cdncc.com is distinguided from every other classifieds website by providing a parallel Usenet gateway of buy and sell ads alongside regular website classified ads.

External links Official Homepage Company Press Release

See also Classifieds Category:Advertising

First time user - deletion of UNOS Voice article

Dear Number 57,

This is my first time uploading an article onto Wikipedia, therefore I'm not very sure how this works.

I'm not exactly sure what constitutes 'blatant advertising' as I was under the impression that the text submitted explained what UNOS Voice was, who was behind it and what it's functions are, very similar to the way Skype explained what their SkypeOut function is.

Perhaps you can be more specific on which sections I need to have changed to meet the requirements of Wiki standards.

For the moment because the entry has been deleted altogether, I do not have a backup copy of what was submitted yesterday. Could you retrieve this?

Cheers

Delet of article "Car Dealer Package"

You have deleted my article about our product (Car Dealer Package) and company (Vector) on October 9th 2007 at 12.19 in reason of "No assertion of importance/significance". I am referring to the article about SAP and several SAP-Products: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP. Why is the description of SAP and SAP's products of any importance to you, while our information is not?

Article deletion - UNOS Voice, getting it right...

Hello Number 57,

Thank you for your guidance.

With regards to the advertising part, I understand now what needs to be removed. I suppose my postings need to be more 'academic' in nature, that's fine. However, I'm not sure how explaining the various functions is 'advertisy'. Why I say this is because if you look at Skype, they have defined what the function of SkypeIn and SkypeOut is. I think UNOS is pretty similar too as they use the same naming conventions as Skype, Yahoo and Vyke. What do you think?

With regards to their notability, I'm not sure how you got the hit rate on Google. If you mean typing the words 'UNOS Voice' into the search field, on my screen it brings back 770,000 hits. In fact when I search UNOS, I can see they have UNOS Voice and UNOS Friends, two listing under the UNOS banner.

In fact what I really wanted to list in the beginning was 'UNOS', not 'UNOS Voice', because I think UNOS is the main flagship - Voice, Friends are just ancillary. Unfortunately there seems to be someone using that name already, as an acronym for United Network for Organ Sharing. I don't know how to create another 'UNOS' page without actually editing the Organ Sharing page. Any insights?

Finally, as to whether the other Wikipedians like yourself would allow it to pass the WK: AfD process, well, I really hope it does (fingers crossed) - because this is so far the only Asian developed fixed mobile convergence platforms to become global. I've been following their public press releases on the web and they seem to be making headway all over the world, although in a small way for now (I guess like Skype was in the beginning). It would be a real shame if they didn't even get indexed on Wiki.

What can I do? Can you help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanyen (talk • contribs) 09:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Devotional Ensemble

Hello Number 57 - I am trying to publish a factual page about my band... and you have deleted it twice! I've read WP:COI and I'm not trying to use Wiki for promotional purposes only factual. Is there anything I can do get this published or is forbidden for indiviuals with a direct interest in a subject to be published? Thanks. Alanstalin 14:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Kubadabad palace

Hi Number 57, Can you explain your decision that this was not a copyright violation? The last two paragraphs are nearly identical to the last two paragraphs of the Archnet article provided as a source. Archnet material is copyrighted non-free content, and the article as it stands is unacceptable. Passages more dis

I asked over a week ago that the acticle's creator try rewording it, but my request has been ignored. I would like for the aricle to be reworded, as the site is an important one. Kafka Liz 16:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Your solution seems fair. Thanks for checking it out.Kafka Liz 17:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Octopus (band)

It's ba-a-a-a-a-ack!!! - CobaltBlueTony 21:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Earthfamily deletion

Please explain to me how this entry is something insignificant? I don't understand why you keep deleting it. It's real, legitamite, has members who function together in the real world to help the community and ecosystem, and more.

The Earthfamily is a real-life open membership community that formed in the spring of 1998 to help promote peace, pacifism, spirituality, ecology, bartering and love. The initial beginnings of this group formulated on the Grateful Dead chat forums on America Online, but quickly became a host for people of similar interests to me, help their communities and socialize. this was one of the earliest "real life" movements to use the internet to locate and communicate with it's members on an exclusive basis.

The group's founder Mike "Pappy" Morris, initially posted a dissertation on peace and community within the Grateful Dead forum, and was contacted by several readers who wanted to share similar thoughts, ideas and concepts with fellow like-minded individuals.

From there, a nightly email was sent out to anyone who wished to receive it. The email was a colorful compilation of stories, pictures, bartering offers, thoughts and ideals from both Mike Morris and all of the fellow Earthfamily members. The name Earthfamily quickly became known within the Phish and Grateful Dead forums, and many people joined daily. Small meetings began to take place at concerts and coffee shops between members, as well as organizing assistance for volunteer events. The group did not limit itself to being an online forum or internet community. The first large gathering of Earthfamily Members was unofficially held at the Further Festival in Tinley Park, Illinois in 2008.

As the Family grew into the hundreds of members, manually keeping up with all of the emails, group communications, meeting plans and activity rosters became a daunting task. At this time, a very active Family member named Petrina (Last name unknown) assisted in keeping the communications and events running smoothly. This carried on until it was no longer feasible to operate such a mass communication via America Online.

On October 28th, 1998, the Earthfamily switched over to keeping in communicaton on Yahoo Groups. [12] Mike Morris was the moderator, assisted by Petrina. The forum gained members over the years, but postings on ceased in early 2002. Many members still stayed in contact via email, but the Earthfamily itself went officially on hiatus.

On October 10th, 2007, Mike "Pappy" Morris officially declared the movement as active again, and began recruiting new members and regrouping old ones on MySpace. [13] Within the first 24 hours, the Family grew by over fifty members, and is currently operating upon the same initial beliefs and principals that the Family was initially founded upon almost a decade before. The movement has members from several countries, and hosts peaceful outings known as "Family Picnics", helps converge local members to preform volunteer work in their communities and promotes the growth of barter-system living. The Family is open to all people of like-mindedness that wish to contribute a positive message to the world around them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luvmytat2s (talk • contribs) 21:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Help Exchange entry deletion

Greetings Number 57. You deleted my entry for Help Exchange due to "blatant advertising". While I do favor the organization, I limited myself to stating facts in composing the article, remaining as objective as I could. As only a user of the Help Exchange site, I stand to make no profit from promoting it.

I am aware that I mentioned some of the benefits of HelpX, but I thought of it as informative rather than as advertising. In contrasting it against WWOOF, I merely sought to give Wiki users the opportunity to look into both organizations, as they essential offer the same opportunities. If these were bad decisions, I apologize and beseech your advise in editing the article.

If it is the notability of the organization you object, I believe the numbers argue for themselves. HelpX is, I believe, in its 6th year of operation and has tens of thousands of users globally. As a member of the WWOOFing community as well as HelpX in Australia, I find the two organizations to be of nearly equal prevalence. Truth be told, I used the Wikipedia entry for WWOOF as my rough guide in writing my entry for Help Exchange.

I thank you for your time and hope to hear your advice. Regards, Douglas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeofgod (talk • contribs) 23:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

run baby run

Why do you delete record - Run baby run book? Nawrocony 13:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Nawrocony

helpx deletion

re message contesting your ruling helpx is blatant commercial do you reply explaining or is your decision un-appealable Doug —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.97.184 (talk) 23:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

CenterStage Wiki

Hi,

Why was the CenterStage Wiki deleted? I can't see what I've done wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overture8 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

canadian hills church of the nazarene

This report was made in hopes to preserve my church history. Everything in the article is original. Nothing has been taken from another source, but is my work. I have permission from my church to put this on so that all members and furture ones can see how the church started. Please give me more information on why this was deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BFTerrel (talk • contribs) 11:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Israel Segal

Thank you for adding his birthdate and Hebrew name. :) While I may be able to puzzle information out of articles using the Latin alphabet, other language are, well, Greek to me. I find Hebrew beautiful and absolutely opaque. --Moonriddengirl 12:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I dont get it. Why do you strongly discourage me from editing the article again. How am I suppose to correct my wrongs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overture8 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

DBOLRL

why did you delete DBOLRL from the Wikipedia ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1biscuits (talk • contribs) 20:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Lehigh Dialogue Center

You should check the website before you delete the entry as "no relevance". I beg to differ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozkurt1 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

CenterStage

I can assure you that I'm not involved in the CenterStage project. I'm just a visitor to their forums. Most of the text I got from different parts of their site, which is the reason why it isn't written in the style that wiki demands. I will clean this up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overture8 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Tokyo Diner

I am the original author of the page on Tokyo Diner. I see that you have taken an interest in this page, and I must thank you for your efforts to keep up the standards of Wikipedia.

I was delighted to see that other members of the Wikipedia community had made improvements to the page. They appear to have been satisfied with the criteria for CSD A7. Clearly, however, you are not satisfied and I would be grateful if you could give me guidance on how to improve the page.

Unfortunately, you deleted the page before I had a chance to save a copy of all the improvements that other people have made. I am new to Wikipedia: could you tell me if there is any way to find the content of the page from just before your deletion?

Thanks in advance. Richard Szumlicki 11:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I deleted the article because it still failed to state why the subject is significant or important. Being a restaurant is not enough to merit an article on Wikipedia. Why is Tokyo Diner special? Is it the largest restaurant in London? Did an important event occur there? Has it been covered by independent third party sources such as newspapers or the BBC (I don't believe restaurant reviews count).

It also appears that you are the same person as User:Tokyodiner, which suggests that you are involved with the restaurant. If so, you should read WP:COI and I strongly suggest discontinuing your edits regarding this subject. Thanks, пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello пﮟოьεԻ 57, thank you for your response. As you know, I am new to editing in Wikipedia, and I must say it has been quite a steep learning curve! I am now beginning to understand how the Wikipedia community works and how its pages’ quality and accuracy are maintained at such a high standard.

You are right in assuming that I am involved with Tokyo Diner; however, I have now studied Wikipedia’s rules, standards and traditions and I am completely committed to respecting them.

I would still like to edit a page on Tokyo Diner, and I hope that I will have the maturity to do so without any COI. Ultimately that will be for others to decide. I have read WP:COI, and I understand that I must “exercise great caution” and “be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party published sources”.

I am also aware that “conflict of interest is not a reason to delete an article, but lack of notability is.” I now see that my page was far short of the notability that one would expect from a leading encyclopedia. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

You asked if Tokyo Diner has been covered by newspapers or the BBC. As it happens, there have been a number of quality newspaper articles about Tokyo Diner, and the BBC has made a TV program about it.

It will take me a few days of research, but I hope to be able to re-edit the page with some much more noteworthy information and several really robust citations.

Once again, thank you for your input and your response. R.S.

P.S. Whilst trying to ‘learn the ropes’, I enjoyed reading the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers Richard Szumlicki 23:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Richard. Apologies for the delay in replying - I had several other messages soon after yours and I must have missed it. Anyway, if you can provide the links to the BBC or other newspaper articles about the restaurant, then the article will indeed meet WP:NOTABILITY criteria and will not be deleted. I welcome your admittance that you have a COI, and your committment to "exercise great caution". If you rewrite the article, please let me know so that I can add any guidance you may need. Also, as an admin, I am fully aware of WP:BITE; I don't believe that my comment above was overly harsh - merely stating the facts as they are. However, if you were offended I apologise, and I hope you enjoy some fruitful contributions to the project. Regards, пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello пﮟოьεԻ 57. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write with such courtesy. Of course, your comments were not harsh: now that my page is up, I totally agree with you!

I have seen the improvements you have made to the page, and I am delighted with them. I am also very much looking forward to seeing how other people develop the page...

Irishguy has made an observation about COI, and I have written to assure him of my commitment to WP’s rules, standards and traditions. In order to be completely transparent about possible COI on this page, I am thinking of logging on in future as “tokyodiner”. Please let me know if this is not appropriate.

Once again, thank you for all the time and effort you devote to WP. Kind regards, Richard.

P.S. I have been telling my friends and colleagues about how thrilling it was when the page finally made the grade. One of them is a tremendously gifted proof-reader, and now that he knows how easy it is to edit, he has already started correcting spelling and punctuation whenever he finds errors on WP. Richard Szumlicki 22:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Clarification: Seacoast Energy Committee Alliance

Number 57,

I am contacting you pursuant to the Wiki guidelines requesting reconsideration of your deletion of the above entry: Seacoast Energy Committee Alliance. The apparent deletion tracks the "speedy deletion" criterion for failure to provide importance of the entry. While we know recognize that this information was not provided in the appropriate section of the entry, we are requesting the ability to have the entry restored so that we may comply with this requirement. As you already know from our limited number of contributions, we are only learning to use the Wiki-way of communications and it is quite a bit to take in all at once. That being said, we have truly learned our first lesson. This is not a copyrighted entry and verification of sources will be provided upon restoration.

If you are so inclined to restore, we will be providing the following listing of materials for support of this entry:

1. This is a group of municipalities, academics, citizens, and other stakeholders (almost all of whom are independently listed on Wiki, we were only able to provide one listing before deletion) who are forming to address concerns related to energy efficiency and climate change in New Hampshire.

2. This group is providing significant grassroots support for objective steps to take to research, support, and build on issues related to energy inventory, benchmarking, and audits.

3. This is NOT a for-profit entity seeking advertising. It has been referenced and supported by local newspapers, educational, and governmental institutions, and citizens.

4. The Alliance is providing support and outreach and is a fast-growing collaboration that represents a new American grassroots response to concerns related to energy and climate change.

Thank you for considering, and please excuse our oversight on the rules for Wiki.

We respectfully request that you restore the "Seacoast Energy Committee Alliance" So that we can further expand this noteworthy entry and comply fully with the Wiki requirements for a new page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clayaz23 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Number 57,

Thank you for your reply, I have reviewed the WP:COI. While I admit to being a citizen of one of the Town's covered by this entity, my limited involvement does not, in and of itself, pursuant to the COI policy make a "conflict": "Merely participating in or having professional expertise in a subject is not, by itself, a conflict of interest."

This is, objectively speaking, a new organization, and your concern regarding my writing is misinformed. I am not "advertising". Our goal is to inform, as citizens, what this entity is, what it is doing, and how that entity is providing education, topical insight, and relating other organizations so that others may learn. Many of the other groups which are cited on wiki to their work on energy efficiency and climate change. The reason you found 4 hits on google is because the group was previously known by the burdensome name "rockingham/strafford energy committee alliance", which is still difficult to extract from the google-world. I do not believe that google hits is a very good source for making a determination of importance, particularly where such an organization has only begun to grow into google-based relevance.

"Wikipedia content is intended to be factual, notable, verifiable with external sources, and neutrally presented, with external sources cited."

Our subject is factual, it is notable, and it is verifiable. Since their are no bright line rules over these definitions, the early manifestation of such a group appears to satisfy these criteria, and again, we respectfully ask you to undelete the page so that we may modify the content, if necessary to comply with the requirements of the wiki guidelines.

It has been difficult to provide objective information about climate change, the IPCC conclusions, and what energy efficiency options are available to United States citizens and local governments with our current federal government.

Thank you, again, for considering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clayaz23 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

FINAL COMMENT

I respect your decision on this matter and will continue to try and learn the ropes by diversifying my understanding of the guidelines for edits and creating pages. That being said, however, I think some new users might find it more beneficial if you would try to be a little more helpful and kind to those users who are trying to learn about wiki, especially when you are deleting their work. I realize that this is just an opinion and that there is a significant amount of abusive behavior on wiki having spent some time reviewing the policies, guidelines, and essays, but, it is my understanding that the general idea here is to help people learn and grow; or in the words of the policy page, making this site "a pleasant experience for everyone". [14] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clayaz23 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

'Carl Riseley' page deleted - query

I am wondering why the page which I had started on Carl Riseley was deleted. He is one of the Top 6 contestants in Australia Idol 2007 and I would love to start a page on him if possible. Was it because I had no links to verify who he was etc. Hope to hear from you soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathybrio236 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Sanglant article

Goodday,

I would like to know why you speedily deleted my stub called "Sanglant"? It says that it was deleted due to lack of content, etc. but the whole point was to make a reference page to Kate Elliott's character Sanglant in her book King's Dragon and the subsequent books of her Crown of Stars series. Could you please inform me as to your reasons? Thanks

Jingizu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jingizu (talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

i heard blind reverts are frowned upon

I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you told me you added some material, but when going over your changes it looks more like a blind revert that not only shortens the Irit Linur letter (reasonable) but also removes sources and other information. i'm interested to hear your explanation about ALL the changes before i consider any other steps. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 08:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

tell you what, fix whatever you do find, and i'll go afterwards and blind revert without reading the changes or the talk page (like you did to me). if your entire involvement in an article is that your POV friends (G-Dett, Nishidani) are "working" on it, then you can't blame me for being a tad miffed by blind reverts that remove both information and sources - this without even reading them. can you tell me what brought you to the article because i don't see you ever working on it before. back to the main point: i'm not "planning" a blind revert, but i do expect you to take a more neutral stance and not to mass revert me like this based on some allegiance with POV pushers. i've assembeled some info into that article (not just Irit Linur) and now it's no longer there - and i thought we were working to make an encyclopedia *shrug* Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 15:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Please stop inserting the overly-long criticism section to the Gideon Levy. It is a blatant violation of WP:NPOV#Undue weight. Thank you. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

i shortened it myself (after re-inserting all the blanketed material)^[15] and we can discuss shortening it further - your warning is more than ridiculous - you've removed information and sources^[16] from the article with a blind revert and now you give me a warning notice?! Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 20:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

btw, your unexplained source removal here, resulted in the removal of the term "left wing" in the folowing edit - please fix this issue. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 20:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

1. i suggest we expand on his political beliefs - both that and the criticism that follows are a major part of the public perception on him (i.e. his notability). i expanded some on both - but mostly on the criticism, i leave it to people who prefer his POV to ADD materials to the article ('ADD' being the key word). note also that the article was marked as a stub - so the "deletionist" attitude (personally, seeing exactly who edited before you came along - nickhh, G-Dett, Nishidani, Abu Ali - and made your first ever edit on the article. i tend to interpret it as a bold group effort of promoting the POV shared by you and your friends) seems counter productive to the encyclopedia in my opinion.
2. i've already allowed some funny sites when the report was on topics they'd be considered reliable. i find no exceptional reason to feel that article was a fake Gideon Levi article - and it seemed like a good english source to back up the (not contenteous at all) note that he's considered a leftist.

-- Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 06:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Page delete

Hi 57! You deleted article about SoftServe, the largest IT outsourcing company in Ukraine, which employs more than 900 people. I think, that information about SoftServe could be interesting for many people. I started this article with some basic information about the comapny and plan to add more information to the article. Could you please restore the content and I promise to rewrite it according to the Wikipedia rules in day or two. Could you please also give me any advise how to do it better and what mistakes I have made. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andriych (talk • contribs) 09:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your advise! Hope this time it works. Regards --Andriych 19:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

CenterStage

So can I try again without the risk of being banned?? Take this in to consideration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers and believe me when I say I am honestly trying to contribute a legitimate wiki page regarding the CenterStage software. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overture8 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Sim2Travel

Hi 57,

You deleted the wiki entry I made on the grounds of Notability. Sim2Travel is redeveloping the way mobile (cell phone) technology works and is routed to provide both local access and connectivity. This essentially makes a call from, say, the US to China a local call, and anyone in china can make a local call to reach the user anywhere in the world at local rates. This could viably affect the way millions of cell phone users communicate internationally.

I hope that you would see this as a notable technology in the same sort of light as VOIP is a valuable technology.

I kindly request that you re-instate the entry so I can further explain its function.

Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquilus1 (talk • contribs) 07:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

2girls1cup

I am wanting to contest the deletion of 2girls1cup.com. It has recently become a popular Shock Site and I feel it should have it's own article. "2girls1cup" brings up 167,000 results in Google. What should I do, or do I have to do to assert notability for this website? Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 19:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Sim2Travel References

Unfortunately, 57, I am quite discouraged by your attitude. Your qualification for what is notable is severely lacking. I imagine that you are not familiar with some of the more complex principles of telecommunications - thats fine - but to presume that everyone else would not find this a notable, and indeed valuable, explanation of a method by which the world can move towards convergence and interconnectivity is foolish for you to judge.

Case in point - you said "The fact that it gets only 73 hits on Google suggests that it is not well known". That is true. However, "Wallis and Futuna Territorial Assembly" (a post you made) receives less than a third of that, yet you seem to find it notable.

If you saw the entry as border-line advertising, I absolutely encourage you to add to the article and any contra-argument. Indeed, I think it is important to compare its functionality to other competing services (i.e. VOIP, Standard Roaming, etc) To the best of my knowledge, however, this is the only service that provides multiple MNO access to a mobile without charging a roaming fee internationally. I also note that marking an article for "Speedy Deletion" requires BLATANT advertising "Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion."

With regards to notability, I have reviewed the wikipedia guidlines, and encourage you to review the following articles: http://www.communicasia.com/press_2007/list_pressrelease3.asp?ID=3&company=Symsoft&Show=CommunicAsia (Note:the world’s first roaming mobile virtual network operator) http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=10636018 (Note:With its presence in the region, the company will be able to provide advanced solutions for charging, messaging and IP services corresponding to current and evolving requirements.)

Finally, I think you should consider what exactly an encyclopedia is - Dictionary.com seems to think that it is: "a book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject.". This is knowledge, and great things begin small. Consider Google, if you will, as you seem to place a great deal on its credibility of determining notability. Consider this - can you name any other service that acts as a rMVNO (roaming Mobile Virtual Network Operator)? If you cannot, I urge you to consider this noteworthy and reinstate the article so I may further elaborate.

Aquilus

Btw - I have no intention of dropping this as it seems you are notorious for deleting others input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquilus1 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Step 7 clubs deletion

I would support the deletion of all club articles that haven't played a) at the equivalent of today's step 6 leagues or higher, or b) in the FA Cup in the dim distant past. I was using the Teesside Athletic one as a test case, if it passes I will certainly nominate more. Another user has tried speedy nominating one of the clubs in the Brighton & Hove league but this has been rejected. User Siva1979 is frantically creating more and more Step 7 club articles despite being told on more than one occasion that these have no notability, and that Step 6/Level 10 is a reasonable guideline. He/she is currently working on Cambridgeshire League clubs. - fchd 07:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Deputy leaders of Israel

It can be misleading, though (to non-Israelis). When I first came across Livni article and saw Acting Prime Minister, my first reaction was to go to Ehud Olmert, and check up on his incapacitation. For most countries, Acting tends to mean 'performing the boss's duties'. That's why I figured Deputy or Vice was a more proper title (as she wasn't performing PM duties). More so Deputy, as that's the title Olmert was described as under Sharon. I don't dispute the Israeli government's titles (anymore), but they're confusing. GoodDay 14:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the changes. I think the confusion also lies in the definition of Deputy and Vice. Both mean the same thing - 'to act in the place of' or Acting. GoodDay 14:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There's just on more thing. I thought Olmert became Prime Minister when Sharon was 'removed from office' in April 2006? GoodDay 14:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I see Interim PM from April 14, 2006 until he (his party) won the rescheduled 2006 general election (then he became PM). I think you might want to check the Ehud Olmert article, it's currently not conforming with these facts. GoodDay 15:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You may want to check Yitzhak Rabin and Yitzhak Shamir, those articles also have erroneously left out Acting Prime Minister. GoodDay 15:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Shalom. GoodDay 15:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Fear of God (LA)

Why have you deleted the article which I created ten minutes ago? I was still in process of editing it. -- Vision Thing -- 18:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Fear of God (LA). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Vision Thing -- 10:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Goofy14

Technically not my fault. Whoever this guy is, he doesn't sign his name properly; he literally signs it goofy14, so when you click on the name... HalfShadow 19:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Types of bet

Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from the four pages - Heinz (bet), Double (bet), Treble (bet) and Trixie (bet) - within 12 hours of them being posted. You have failed to even leave comments on the appropriate discussion pages that others could respond to. I fail to see why you think it necessary to have these 4 pages still in existence when all the relevant information is included in one or other of two detailed articles covering the whole topic of types of bets and the mathematics of settling such bets. Why do we have to have needless repetition? There is not a single page that even links to the page Heinz (bet)! I agree that the topics are notable which is why they are included in detail in either 'Mathematics of bookmaking' or 'Glossary of bets offered by UK bookmakers'. Have you even read these two pages to see where the information I propose to delete from the 4 pages has been integrated? AirdishStraus 19:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Raphael Lataster

Hello,

The article on Raphael Lataster is significant as Aramaic primacy is a significant force in Christianity. It is a belief that is prevalent in Eastern Christianity and gaining more acceptance in Western Christianity. Raphael Lataster is one of the main promoters of this movement, working through his website and his book, which is the most popular book on the topic, due to it's comprehensiveness (nearly 300 pages) and its price (free).

It is noteworthy that Paul Younan has a wikipedia article dedicated to him, despite the fact that he has been inactive in the field for at least a year and his website is down. Lataster's website is not down, and is the most viewed website on the Peshitta, verified by Alexa's ranking which shows that AramaicPeshitta.com is in the top 1.3million websites while Peshitta.org is outside the top 2 million. Raphael Lataster is mentioned in 3 wikipedia articles.

Please reactivate the Raphael Lataster article.

p.s. It is also noteworthy that Raphael Lataster is only 23 years old and early last year had nothing but debt. Now he has a portfolio of property and shares and has started a career as a financial planner. Being someone who grew up with abuse and poverty, he has managed to turn his life completely around in under one year. He is currently writing books on the troubles in the Pharmaceutical industry (he is a pharmacist also) and a "Rags to Riches" type book chronicling his rapid rise from poverty to relative wealth. According to his website and forum, he intends to use much of his resources to promote Aramaic primacy on a greater scale in the near future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.8.26 (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Multi-Image Manager

Several folks in the mainframe computing community have been trying to seed Wikipedia with articles about key technologies in the mainframe field. I have added and updated several entries in this area (GRS, Access method, OS/390, etc.) to try to gain momentum in the topic. MIM is a key technology historically, in that it was the first software technology enabling IBM mainframes to share peripherals (some 7 years before the advent of GRS, 13 before Sysplex, and 18 before Parallel Sysplex. To this day, MIM continues to provide serialization and systems management capability among many of the top users of mainframe technology.

Looking at Wikipedia, one can see many articles about computer software, beyond hardware platforms (e.g IBM PC), software platforms (e.g. DOS, MS-DOS, Windows, Linux)) to include ubiquitous software like Internet Explorer and Lotus 1-2-3. Clearly, mainframe technology is not as well known as PC software, it has had at least an equal profound impact on the advancement of computing technology as anything in the Windows, Unix, world.

I started the article with the intent of having someone far more expert than I to flesh it out (users and architects). —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottFagen (talk • contribs) 21:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

advice

Hi Number 57, I'm a new Wikipedian on the block. I just started getting involved so please be patient with me. Like you, I'm interested in Israeli politics, science, and sports. I started contributing today and had quite a few unpleasnat surprises. I'd like to correspond with you but I don't want the whole world to see my messages. How do I do that? Best regards Firstamend 06:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletions (re: bets)

Then how about offering suggestions to how else one may go about removing these superfluous articles? It's okay saying "don't do this, don't do that..." but offering novices like me some advice with a friendly word is more in line what the ethos of what being a Wikipedian is all about, surely? I'm happy to learn how to "do it right" if someone takes the opportunity to advise me. AirdishStraus 08:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. My initial comments were the normal reaction of of anyone who has actions contested with no helpful information other than an officious statement. People have feelings and naturally react to challenge (as a teacher/lecturer I have to initially always act with "kid gloves" when dealing in all respects with students). All I want to do is improve the information on WP in my area of expertise, and to this end I will accept any amount of friendly advice. I think that it is better to assume that people are not experts in the ways of Wiki-editing and therefore take the time to offer helpful advice in the first instance rather than have people react (as I did) in a defensive manner. Once again though, thank you for your advice. AirdishStraus 11:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Could use some help Please

I can see right now you are deleting stuff well right now i am tagging bad new pages for CDS. Then I came on to Cars.com which i beleve falls under A7 guide lines for CSD. Well it seem that the preson that created it was an Admin. As you can see ive been tagging things for a while now with no problems then this come up. My questionn is does this fall under A7 for CSD and is the creator of that page allowed to remove the tag or is there some other proecess that needs to be done. thanks for the help Yourname 00:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Douglas M. Berger

Hi 57,

"No assertion of importance/significance"

Dr. Berger has published a number of scientific articles, including one in a top tier scientific magazine, SCIENCE. He is one of a very few Western psychiatrists to practice in Japan long-term, and he has made scientific contributions to the study of schizophrenia, dissociative disorders, suicide in medical patients, and the development of antidepressants in Japan. For these reasons, I believe a stub is an appropriate type of page for this clinician and scientist. Please see "Antidepressants in Japan" as this includes references to his past work and is part of the WikiProject Japan. I wish to improve this and add more Japan related articles.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Menicos (talk • contribs) 01:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Need to provide more information regarding Moshavim

You had removed the Kibbutz Infobox from the article about Ein Ayala. I understand the reason for the removal, but underlying my insertion of said and your following action, there is a deep need to provide a template - infobox that will suffice both articles on kibbutzim and moshavim.

The 2 settlements/organizations are fairly similar, and would benefit from a coherent means to display information about both. If there is a separate infobox for moshavim, please point me to it, if not, please help me modify usage so that the infobox developed for articles on kibbutzim can also be reused for describing moshavim.

I hve added my suggestion to the discussion on Infobox kibbutz.

Many thanks, SZAgassi18:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

?

You are obviously entitled to change your opinion, but you are actually opposing a proposal that you suggested (changing the name/scope) and supported in the previous discussion. Tewfik^Talk 22:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

"Knesset is not possibly in a future Palestinian state"

That's a ridiculous statement, by the way. Unless you're a soothsayer. Robert Ham 08:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I've opened up a new discussion on the Talk page for Knesset. I'd appreciate your response. Robert Ham 13:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Again, I've responded to your comments. Robert Ham 22:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

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Sim2Travel Google in China

Very well numbers, I duly note the Territorial Assembly of Wallis & Futuna. I am not here to question its notability, simply seeking balance. I dont see how you being the author or not matters with respect to my reference. Its funny, though, that by defending the Assembly, you indeed helped me in illustrating why Sim2Travel is notable. I will expand below.

Take a look here: Sim2Travel References Taiwan (455 Google Hits)

Numbers, I apologize the context of the previous linking in your discussion was misconstrued. The links were not intended as unique references, they were there to illustrate that both Newsweek, Symsoft, and CommunicAsia find Sim2Travel notable, even if you do not. Additionally, one link provided at the very minimum 14 sentences of reference to Sim2Travel while the other provided 4. These links not being included in my wiki-post aside, while some may see it as advertising, the Wiki code uses the phrasing BLATANT advertising as the criteria.

Advertising is not inherently bad, either, especially when taken to mean "to give information to the public about; announce publicly in a newspaper, on radio or television, etc."[17]

So, if this addresses the question of notability and your concerns about advertising, I will look forward to the un-deletion of the snippet so I may further expound and enhance the article. Should you disagree, please try and reply with specific deficiencies that need to be emphasized for your satisfaction citing, directly, their grounds. I look forward to your timely response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquilus1 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

KitKat Crescent

Hi. The name of this stadium is KitKat Crescent, not the former name, Bootham. It is simply no longer Bootham. Its not like a league, like Premier League being known as the "Barclays Premiership", this is the actual name of the facility. Mattythewhite 15:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we need a new discussion at WP:FOOTY. I'll bring one up. Mattythewhite 16:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Your reversion on Banks's Stadium

Thank you for your note on my userpage concerning your reversion of my page move. I have answered there. The discussion above (about the Kit Kat Crescent) is relevant. B1atv 17:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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WWE Diva Searcg

Please see WP:REDLINK. Just because something doesn't have an article yet is not reason enough to de-link it (not saying you were right or wrong, just letting you know). TJ Spyke 02:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Monash City FC

Hello Number 57, you have deleted our article we were creating on Monash City FC. We had only just begun to develop the club history page and significance. The Club is regionally significant within Victoria and nationally significant within Australia as centre of excellence for developing elite youh football players. In 2005 the Club won the International Youth Cup and has State Team representatives in each age group from U12 to U15. Our Club has also developed the youngest female player to enter the Victorian Institute of Sport and has produced our first A League Player, Steven O'Dor. Steven is also U20 International. We have adopted the Clairefontaine Institute approach to developing talented footballers I see from your profile you are in England so may have lack of understanding of our football culture. In Australia it is development clubs such as ours which produce talented players for senior clubs or to enter Institutes. We do not have an FA Academy style system that underpins the professional clubs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferns200 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC) Ferns200 05:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Magento entry

Hello

I think it's wrong you deleted Magento page on Wikipedia. This is an evolving open-source, free project that is really going to "rule" in the e-commerce world during next years due to very poor open-source and free alternatives (like oscommerce). If you removed Magento entry why you didn't remove oscommerce then?

Thank you Piotr Kaminski —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.128.14.110 (talk) 11:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Re Lucas Entertainment (studio)

Thank you for deleting Lucas Entertainment (studio). Could you please look into deleting the redirect from Lucas Entertainment? -- (I'm not sure I'm wording my request correctly, but you know what I mean). Thanks! --72.76.102.219 21:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Integration Consortium

Hello 57, I discovered that you had deleted the page for the Integration Consortium and am confused by your actions. We are a non profit industry body that facilitates collaboration, standards support and development, education and communication on the area of enterprise integration (data, applications, systems, people, companies). I have noticed that most of our peer organizations also have Wikipedia pages with their content loaded on the site (OMG, Open Group, OASIS, W3C...) and would like to understand what we need to do to make the IC work and content available to the Wikipedia users? Any insight you can give us will be very much appreciated. By the way, you have a typo on your Ashington A.F.C. page. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MkuhbocK (talk • contribs) 23:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Civilty

You stated that I have a problem. You also implied that I am aggrieved by wikipedia. Both are condescending and insulting. If you are to condemn me for insulting you, don't turn around and insult me in that condemnation. That is the height of hypocrisy. And removing the warning from your talk page? My word. Robert Ham 10:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Rushmere, Suffolk

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Deletion of First Baptist Church, Memphis, Tennessee

I'm still new at this. At a loss as to reason for deletion, as this is an ongoing project that I have undertaken as the church's archivist. I noted that the significance of the congregation was as the first Southern Baptist church established in Memphis in 1839, making it the church from which all other Southern Baptist churches in Memphis and its suburbs were established. Its historical significance since its founding can be documented. FBCMemphisArchivist 20:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by FBCMemphisArchivist (talk • contribs) 20:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Article Deletion

Why did you delete the article that I created today. The article is not blatant advertising. The article is meant to show the difference between different types of couplings for different mechanical applications. Several companies offer these types of couplings. R+W wrote this article to inform all consumers of the benefits of certain type of couplings. We are not saying that our couplings are better than others. Please let me know how this is considered to be advertising. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bconner (talk • contribs) 21:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Flexible Shaft Couplings

Can we not just remove the link and the "brought to you by"?

THe article itself is not bias in any way. It was written to inform engineers of the considerations involved in choosing a coupling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bconner (talk • contribs) 21:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Atomic Swindlers

Hey. I noticed you deleted the talk page for Atomic Swindlers, giving the rationale that it's a talk page for an article that doesn't exist. Atomic Swindlers was deleted, and I recreated it fixing the problem that caused it to be deleted in the first place. The article DID exist at the time you deleted the talk page. Applejuicefool 13:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for reinstating the article. Please feel free to discuss any changes you feel it needs to remain undeleted. Applejuicefool 15:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Judith Hornbogen

Hello,

I wrote an article about Judith Hornbogen and it was deleted. I think because of a lack of significance.

Please confirm what was wrong with the article so I can fix it, if possible.

I think she is a good artist that deserves to be listed on Wiki and her works can be viewed online and she is an actual graduate from a proper art academy. I was hoping to collect more info on her to augment the article but I don't want to waste my time either.

If you do not think she is significant enough, let me know

Thanks, Simon Wakefield (Simonwakefield 19:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC))

Seeking Clarifaction

Number 57,

I am unsure about why you deleted a page I created about the musician Jack Clift.

This page was vandalized at the beginning of October and populated with spurious nonsensical material. You deleted this page on October 6th. Last week, noting the "No assertion of importance" qualification, I rewrote the page

with links to at least ten collaborators with their own wikipedia entries.  I also referenced a

project of unprecedented scope that is of cultural significance in multiple nations, the collaboration with John Carter Cash.

I am currently preparing the text to be translated into both Uzbek and Russian to add to the those language's Wikipedias.

Mr. Clift had a composition that was licensed by the 1996 Summer Olympics. He co-produced 2 projects last year for Minneapolis record label Soulfood. One of these albums, Trantric Chill was the label's biggest seller in CDs and downloads.

if there any other issues besides the notablilty factor, please let me know.

thank you for your prompt attention to this matter,

Ben

Seeking Clarifaction

Number 57,

I am unsure about why you deleted a page I created about the musician Jack Clift.

This page was vandalized at the beginning of October and populated with spurious nonsensical material. You deleted this page on October 6th. Last week, noting the "No assertion of importance" qualification, I rewrote the page with links to at least ten collaborators with their own wikipedia entries. I also referenced a project of unprecedented scope that is of cultural significance in multiple nations, the collaboration with John Carter Cash.

I am currently preparing the text to be translated into both Uzbek and Russian to add to the those language's Wikipedias.

Mr. Clift had a composition that was licensed by the 1996 Summer Olympics. He co-produced 2 projects last year for Minneapolis record label Soulfood. One of these albums, Trantric Chill was the label's biggest seller in CDs and downloads.

if there any other issues besides the notablilty factor, please let me know.

thank you for your prompt attention to this matter,

Ben —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcgumbrie (talk • contribs) 21:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleted article

Regarding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islands_Phonecards_Database&action=submit

The site described in this article provides a service that phone cards collectors can NOT find anywhere else, neither online or offline. Its informational database is created by its users community. Please explain why it cannot be presented in an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiawe (talk • contribs) 16:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Ronen Bergman

Hi. Could you have a look at the article. It was created by User:Ronenbe. I have tagged it with COI and other tags, but am not sure what is the correct course of action regarding WP:Auto. Bergman probably satisfies WP:Notability, so I am reluctant to proceed to AfD. Derwig 17:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Category:Communal cities, towns and villages in Israel

I'm not sure about renaming until I understand how you envision the hierarchy. For example, what would prevent Category:Communal Israeli settlements from being created? I can support pragmatic changes, but I'm afraid that some of these changes will end up violating categorisation standards. Tewfik^Talk 02:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm still not sure that I understand. If you don't think Category:Communal Israeli settlements is a good idea, what is the issue? Tewfik^Talk 02:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Banks's Stadium

Please do not remove templates from articles as you did to the misnamed Bescot Stadium article until the issue is resolved. You know full well, because I have told you, that I am attempting to seek wider community consensus. So do not revert other people's flagging up what they beleive to be your POV approach to the article until the issue is resolved. Thank you. B1atv 08:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Administrator complaints

From your latest contribution on my talk page I understand that you are an administrator. I find this news somewhat shocking in light of your behaviour over the past few days. Can you please point me in the direction of where complaints about administrators can be made so that your status as an administrator can be reviewed? B1atv 09:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I second this. The following are very questionable actions by an administrator:

• Removing edit war warning
• Removing the same edit war warning
• Removing the same edit war warning *again* (Getting into an edit war over an edit war warning.. how ironic)
• Removing civility warning
• Removing the same civility warning
• Removing the same civility warning *again*

I'm sure there are other examples but these are the only ones I'm aware of. Robert Ham 10:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

So, if you think I've done something wrong, report me for it. I still don't think pointing out to an editor that he is being incivil is a breach of WP:CIVIL though, and I haven't used my admin powers in either dispute, so I'm not so sure how strong your case is. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How would such a report be made? Robert Ham 13:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You could file a complaint on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents if you really think you have a case. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave that up to B1atv. Robert Ham 14:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Harassment#User_space_harassment, regarding repeatedly replacing warnings after the user has removed them. While it is discouraged, it's my understanding, that No.57 may remove things from his talk page. It is assumed, that they've been read when removed (SEE: WP:TALK#User_talk_pages). I'd like to remind all involved (everyone's obviously watching this talkpage), that 3RR is not an entitlement, and, that repeatedly going right up to 3rr, especially when doing so in a manner that could be seen as harassment, may be seen as gaming the system, and, is disruptive. Maybe everyone should walk away from whatever's causing the problem for a couple days, and cool off? SQL^{Query me!} 21:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

User space harassment, eh? How curious that an administrator would indulge in such a thing.

• Replacing removed warning

I shall say no more. Robert Ham 21:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes strange that an admin should feel it important to make it clear that calling other editors morons and fools is an unacceptable breach of policy, especially when that user still maintains that he is not incivil. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't maintaining that I wasn't uncivil; I was maintaining that you were. You were saying "You were wrong but I wasn't" and I was saying "I was wrong and you were wrong." That's where we differed; nothing to do with my behaviour, just yours. Robert Ham 07:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent) I probably wouldn't have replaced the warning, but, that was once as opposed to six times. Plus, the diff provided seems much more, like restoring the conversation in order to continue it, rather than edit warring over userspace warnings. SQL^{Query me!} 05:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Nobody replaced a warning six times; there are two instances of different people replacing a warning three times. Also, those people were not administrators. Robert Ham 07:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Your redirecting User:Jaakobou's user page

Hi Number 57: Why did you create a redirect [18] on User Jaakobou (talk · contribs)'s main user page to his talk page? Did he ask you to do so? What relationship is there between you and User:Jaakobou that would have granted you the right to tamper with a user's page like that? I look forward to the explanation. Thanks a lot, IZAK 02:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Close Guantanamo flotilla

Hello,

I am a Human Rights Supporter and had created an article on the Close Guantanamo flotilla. It is a web action for a humanitarian cause that I think is both legitimate and necessary. It is not commercial neither is it an advertisement. It is merely information about the abhorrent practices in Guantanamo and what people can do to stop it. Can you please elaborate over why this article is 'blatant advertising'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amnesty Supporter (talk • contribs) 17:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Israel Plus.png

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Matt's Bar

I believe your deletion of the article Matt’s Bar on October 6, 2007, citing “CSD A7: No assertion of importance/significance”, to have been inappropriate.

Matt’s Bar is indeed an important/significant establishment and cultural entity in the Twin Cities, a major U.S. metropolitan area, as is evidenced, for example, by the numerous and consecutive awards it has received from notable and important sources such as the Star Tribune and City Pages. These awards were mentioned and properly referenced in the article that was deleted. To elaborate explicitly, to achieve a “best burger” award for ten consecutive years in an area with 3.5 million people and thousands of restaurants is certainly an indication that Matt’s is not an insignificant establishment. As such, I believe the speedy deletion to have been imprudent and unwarranted.

If my above assertion is incorrect, I hope you will respond with an explanation of what constitutes importance/significance. Otherwise, it is my intention to recreate the article. Elcobbola 16:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up: I’ve replied on my talk page. If you could take a moment to look it over, I’d be appreciative. Elcobbola 13:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Windward Studios

What is insignificant about the software studio that developed my favorite RTS game of the 90s? I am slightly offended as I realize the article may not have been perfect since I have little experience, but you could edit it rather than removing all of my work completely. I would love to gain more insight into that pages deletion, especially for future reference when I start other pages that interest me.

Follow up

Number 57,

I wrote to you previously. I have begun to collect links from the internet and from newspapers in new mexico. I was hoping you could undelete the page so I can begin to add secondary sources.

These links will be added, they include press:

http://backroadsmusic.com/index.php?p=album&aID=139870 http://www.soulfoodmusic.com/wr_cd_11a.cfm http://www.allegro-music.com/online_catalog.asp?sku_tag=SFD329

This page shows that Mr. Clift won a prestigious music industry awards as New Mexico's Best Producer.

http://www.nmmusic.com/awards/content/winners/1998_winners.htm

There will be more following.

Thank you,

(mcgumbrie) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcgumbrie (talk • contribs) 01:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Georgia

Just FYI, you got it slightly wrong -- the presidential election will be held in January, not the parliamentary one. I corrected it. In case you're interested -- the parliamentary election *might* be held early, as well; there'll be a referendum on the election date together with the presidential election. —Nightstallion 18:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Gladly, no problem. I had to check about a dozen different sources to make sure the referendum will certainly be held, and that it was not *only proposed* instead... —Nightstallion 19:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yitzhak Rager

Thanks for your cleanup of this page, which I'd translated onscreen (a first for me! usually I copy the source text to a Word .doc file and produce the translation draft there). You obviously have a superior mastery of style and transliteration/transcription conventions. I'd be pleased to consult with you for assistance in my future attempts. -- Cheers, Deborahjay 06:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

NB: Good to know about the boulevard name not having entered current parlance. In fact, that's what prompted me to create the page and translate the article: it's the address printed on the business card of a colleague who lives there; the NPO she works for isn't mentioned (yet, nor in the Hebrew page). I contacted her because my daughter, a newly minted instructor in the IDF's Education and Youth Corps, was just posted to Beersheba for a five-week hitch and I wanted to learn a little about the city. Along the way I did a spot of buffing up other former mayors' pages. Always like to contribute something to Wikipedia as my way of paying back for the benefit I gain here. -- Deborahjay 12:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

...and I see you've done some more cleanup in my wake. Good going! -- Deborahjay 22:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Some thankyou spam

Thankyou for supporting my successful rfa which closed with 58 supports. If i am honest i am rather humbled by the unanimous support and i hope to live up to everyones expectations. If you ever need any help, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks again. Woodym555 13:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Veritas Deletion

Hello,

I've gone through this with another user and will now go through it with you. I recently took my GMAT exam and had to arduously go through the process of researching Test Prep companies. I was bent on using Princeton review (Since Kaplan does not have a very good reputation) but wanted courses that were more focused towards my academic pace. I happened upon the company Veritas Prep and used their services which I think were well suited to me. Now, I am looking into blogging about the GMAT and also adding entries to Wikipedia about the subject. My entry for Veritas Prep was informative in that it told people about the companies history. I was originally hesitant about spending over 1 thousand dollars on their course because I knew little about them, and think that people deserve to know that they are a legitimate company. Regardless, both Kaplan and Princeton review have Wiki pages.

Lastly, I've informed the company about the page and they are fine with its content and have been told not to use it to advertise. They claim that competitors falsely advertise on their Wiki page in order to have them removed. I don't know if this is true, but I will keep tabs on this contribution as well as others more diligently in the future to prevent such espionage.

I hope to contribute more about the process as I continue my own GMAT/MBA progress. So if there is another reason why you flagged the contribution, please let me know so that I can either remedy it or stop putting it back up.

Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbadude (talk • contribs) 20:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Slaughterhaus Five deletion

Hi there - I noticed you deleted my article on the Slaughterhaus Five project. Is there any way to access the deleted text so that I can continue working on it? I'm in the process of adding more context, citations and so forth, so if you could point mw towards the relevant delete logs, or if there's a way to retrieve the article so that I can resubmit it when it's been worked out a bit more, that would be much appreciated. Also, any pointers on where I went wrong would be very well recieved.

Thanks, Alias

Number 57, Will you kindly un-delete the Heather Thompson page? She was chosen as Sean "Diddy" Combs's YouTube Assistant on the Oprah Winfrey Show. Not only did she beat tens of thousands of other applicants for the position, but she was also chosen in front of an audience of millions of people. Moreover, the story was carried in both national and international publications, websites, and blogs. Her story included in Wikipedia as well. It is sufficiently newsworthy for inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spelmansweetie (talk • contribs) 01:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Jack Clift

Hello Number 57, I would appreciate it if you would respond to me concerning the article "Jack Clift". Can you please repost or send me the article that you deleted? thank you, Ben

I think something is wrong with your talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Mcgumbrie|Mcgumbrie]] (talk • contribs) 19:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I already replied on your talk page. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I notified you above on this talk page that I had more materials: articles, awards and I have asked if you could supply me with the original text or repost the page. Will you? thanks, Mcgumbrie (talk

List of massacres during the Second Intifada

Talk:List of massacres during the Second Intifada Looking for outside input into a long-term controversy over the naming and scope of this list. As you participated in the afd, please help us out. Thanks. <<-armon->> 11:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

my RFA

If you voted in my RFA...

...thank you for your participation. I withdrew with 83 supports, 42 opposes, and 8 neutrals. Your kind words and constructive criticism are very much appreciated. I look forward to using the knowledge I have accrued through the process to better the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers and Wikidudeman for their co-nominations.

Thank you again and, best regards. VanTucky ^Talk

This RFA thanks was inspired by Lara❤Love's

You killed our page... twice

Hi

I would really like to understand your reasoning for deleting the article that I submitted twice citing "No assertion of importance/significance" as your reason. What exactly are you expecting?

JAWUG is a large community driven non-profit organisation based in South Africa that is currently at the forefront of a number of technical and regulatory advancements in the South African telecommunications industry. I would appreciate some constructive criticism on the article as it is my first on wikipedia instead of just deleting my hours of effort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graham.ambo (talk • contribs) 21:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Best of luck Graham,

Numbers killed my hours of work as well, ironically on telecomm as well. Except mine deals with Mobile Virtual Network Operators. Aquilus

Sim2Travel

I'm sorry, I had presumed we were talking apples to apples. Wallis and Fortuna, then, should not be 22,000 as you referenced but amended to 458 [19] (not including wikipedia entries). You seem to be off by a power of 50x by your previous deducement. This begs the question: At what point does Google deem notability? As I hope you can tell, I find this particular subject quite important and fully intend to continue pursuing this.

Perhaps we can come to some sort of agreement: As it seems you are quite set on considering this to not be notable, I propose that if I am amble to find 10 other wikipedia entries that have fewer than 78 Google hits, without including omitted results, and present them here for your review you will then grant reinstatement.

I'm glad that you acquiesced on the advertising point, and that will no longer be an issue.

Else, I would ask you to forward me the protocol for pursuing this matter with another, or more senior, moderator. Additionally, I would appreciate some further clarification beyond a simple two sentence answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquilus1 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment about Problem

Hi Number 57, can you please take a look this discussion in reference to images that were uploaded from WWII in Color website, the copyright status is in question and there have been many users who are part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft who are upset about the Wiki Policy about image licensing WP:IUP. Thank you! -TabooTikiGod 06:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the barnstar. Most of those contributions are actually images from various on line archives (see National Photo Collection), which I upload to commons. Again, thank you! Derwig 15:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Sim2Travel

I'm trying to understand where you are coming from and on what grounds notability can be determined empirically. My perspective is not lost, as you suggest, for I am fully aware that there are those out there that find the Territorial Assembly of Wallis & Futuna noteworthy and have never disputed that(Please review my previous wording regarding my analogy to the thread). I am also aware that there are many people out there interested in telecommunications including the Economic Daily News [20], Ming News [21], Joint News Network [22], and many others, not the least of which is FarEasTone and China Mobile, however.

I apologize if my meaning of acquiesce did not make sense, as I understood what you wrote to mean that the advertising point is not an issue here. The use of acquiesce was, thereby, meant to mean to assent tacitly; submit or comply silently or without protest; agree; consent.

Assuming you have no other issues with the thread, simply please, what do you need to see to deem this notable and reinstate it?

I will pursue the course of action you suggest if you continue to dispute what the news agencies mentioned above deem notable.

Regards

Deletions

Hey there. I see from checking my watchlist that you have recently deleted two pages (HAGG​ER? (which may or may not appear correctly here) and OMG, he's a fag!!!). By my watching them, this means I have viewed the page. Here's the catch: I don't remember them at all! Could you, in all your administrator glory, show me a copy of what was on the page and a copy of the page history to see if my account has been used to edit these pages (which would probably mean it has been compromised). Thanks in advance -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 02:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for that! -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 21:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Zvi Segal

Please add at least one reference to the article so that we can avoid an 'unref' template. --Shuki (talk) 21:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Shuki (talk) 23:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

'Redlasso' deleted for CSD A7

What do I need to do to indicate the importance of this post about Redlasso? Redlasso.com is a new US-based broadcast TV and Radio clip site that is part of the group of new media companies. We've been written up in multiple articles over the past couple weeks as we've started to make public what our site is about. Sites similar to us are: Voxant, Mochila and ClipSyndicate with Mochila already having a Wikipedia web presence. What can we do to get our company listed correctly in Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.101.135 (talk) 23:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Why delete AC3D?

AC3D is referenced in a number of places but there is no entry for it. Why do you not delete Blender, Silo etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinkybb (talk • contribs) 16:10, November 21, 2007

EPIC-FU

I appreciate you seeing the deletion tag I placed on "EPIC-FU" and taking the proper action. Wwefan981 (talk) 23:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Second Generation Outsourcing

Second Generation Outsourcing is an innovative concept. The article is about the concept, it doesn't attempt to advertise on any product or company.The article attempts to explain the concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowthamlive (talk • contribs) 05:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

RS

I supplied RS directly contradicting the one, while the other does not meet the criteria. Tewfik^Talk 14:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD

Hi! Considering your interesting in elections and/or the EU, you may be interested in the ongoing deletion debate on Danish European Union opt-outs referendum -- if so, could you please voice your opinion in the AfD debate? Thanks! —Nightstallion 15:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA - thanks

Thank you for your support in my request for adminship, which succeeded with a final tally of 38/1/0! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 18:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Damn!

I hate it when I nominate a bunch of redirects for R1 and the target gets restored and I look like a fool and people have to clean up after me :-/ --Closedmouth (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You deleted Junip, and Black Refuge EP

I don't remember the article being that bad. Well, the main reason the band are notable is because their guitarist and singer is José González who is extremely well known throughout the independent music scenes in Europe and America, and he's 'so famous he might as well be God' in Sweden. His album is 28th on the list of 'most read record reviews' at www.pitchforkmedia.com, a popular site which gets a simply insane number of hits. So yeah, the link to his name's pretty much all that was needed. If you want proof that they are actually a current band (a band that releases one EP then dies probably isn't notable);

http://www.wers.org/articles/?id=698

This interview was published about two years after the release of thier sole EP, suggesting that they are still working on an LP. Oh, and while I'm here, was a notice put up on the articles? Was there any debate? LiamUK (talk) 15:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

please explain the deletion

Hi,

You have deleted my article about Software Components OTA. I have already disucssed with another Wiki Administrator about this article and he agreed that it is worthy of adding to Wiki (see my talk page).

Can you explain what advertisement you mean ??

there is no company or product mentioned in the article. It is a mere definition of a terminology accompanied with a reference to an objective and reliable source.

Please advise. Thank you. Elod (talk) 16:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas2048 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC) 

Comparison of database tools

Would you consider reviewing the above article? It's much better than before - possibly salvageable - and I think that a DRV or another AfD would be a plan. The user's made a really good job at tidying it up, and it's full of half-decent information. I'll leave it to you to undelete if you think it's salvageable. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

DRV notice: Comparison of database tools

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Comparison of database tools. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.--Anas2048 (talk) 20:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

DRV notice: Junip

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Junip. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Jreferee t/c 19:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thikkurissy Sukumaran Nair

Hi, pls dont delete the article, I'm in the process of writing it-- Anoopkn (talk) 10:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Maltese Third Division clubs

I thought that since they were playing at a national level in a fourth tier national league, which is probably of a similar standard to Level 8 of the English league structure, that they would be notable. If I was mistaken, then I will amend my comment. – PeeJay 13:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Response

While they may be Israeli citizens, they are Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel. This is not an WP:OR conclusion. See for example this. Further, the article is entitled List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada and not List of Palestinian citizens killed in the Second Intifada. Therefore, and especially since I provided a footnote explaining their special situation, they deserve inclusion in the list. Tiamut 12:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to put them in the List of Israeli civilian casualties in the Second Intifada. That, however, does not preclude their being listed in the List of Palestinian civilian casualties in the Second Intifada. Both lists should have been one list, but as you have no doubt noticed, it is impossible to have one list when people like Tewfik (talk · contribs) and Armon (talk · contribs) keep deleting the Palestinian civilian casualties. As to whether Israelis must or must not be Jewish, that is quite debatable. As a Palestinian citizen of Israel myself, I would offer that my own experience has indicated that the state does not consider me to be an Israeli. That, however, is the subject of another deeper philosophical discussion. As it stands, I hope you will permit me to relist the casualties, with the footnotes I have drafted to respond to your concerns. Thanks. Tiamut 12:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

With regards to the list, I would argue the inverse: the majority of people might find it misleading to include Palestinian citizens of Israel killed by Israelis in a list of Israeli civilian casualties. Tiamut 12:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

After all, they were killed precisely because they were viewed to be Palestinians, and not Israelis. Tiamut 12:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)