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Glenn Lewis Cedar Frey

OK dude, I got refs for Glenn Lewis Cedar Frey posted. His real dad, as verified on wikitree.com, was Robert George Cedar, who married Nellie Markham on 30 Mar 1946 Detroit Wayne, MI USA. They divorced on 6 Jun 1949 Detroit Wayne MI USA.

Nellie remarried Edward Warren "Eddie" Frey on 15 Sep 1951 Detroit Wayne MI USA. Glenn was aged 2 years 10 months 9 days at the date of her second marriage.

You may not like how I structured the refs, but you seem to be an expert at these things and no doubt have plenty of time to fix them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moproducer (talk • contribs) 23:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Your baseless accusation

I've noticed you left a message on my talk page so kindly informing me of "forgetting to log out" before editing a page. Not only have you waited just short of a work-week to point this alleged inconsistency out; you have also failed to actually base it in any sort of reality, seemingly just inventing a whole narrative about me forgetting to log out (or perhaps even maliciously attempting to circumvent some protection system! It would be however repeating your mistake for me to assume malice when overconfidence is the likely culprit). I will have to inform you that I know nothing of the IP-user who decided to take my side in the Chanel ordeal and they are certainly not a duplicate of me; if you would have taken the proper precautions and verified this issue through the proper channels - an administrator with privileges to check IPs of users - then you would see that that user's IP is not my IP, and that that IP is not even based in the same country that I am residing in right now. I would like to request you to perhaps consider what you are alleging before jumping the gun and threatening forthcoming edit blocks on my talk page; frankly disrespectful. -- EuanHolewicz432 (talk) 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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Finneas Grammy Wins

Hello I see you had reverted the edits I had made on Finneas’ Grammy wins. I’ve already discussed this with several other users prior to putting in 6, he won record of the year, song of the year, album of the year, producer of the year, best engineered album, and best pop vocal album. You removed his win for best pop vocal album if you did your research it states the award also goes to the “Artist & Producer, Engineer/Mixer, if other than Artist, of greater than 50% playing time on the album“. He produced the whole album which is appropriate to add that he has 6 wins and not 5. It was also backed up by a reliable source stating 6. I will include the source coming from the Grammy website itself of who gets a Grammy award and who doesn’t.

https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/bluebook_awards_certs_and_grammy_tickets.pdf Pillowdelight (talk) 02:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

What if he wasn't nominated? Every list published by the Grammy organization does not show him as a nominee, nor as a winner for Pop Vocal Album. For every source of 6 there are equally or more showing 5, yet only the 5's support the Grammy's own listings. Additionally, don't see any discussions madee by you and other users on his article, nor on the 62nd Grammy article pages.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 02:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
The artist is the one with the “nomination” he only gets the Grammy due to producing more than 50% of the album. Which is again sourced. I’m assuming it may not be officially on his page on the Grammy site due to the fact it’s an artist award not a producer award. The discussion happened on a users talk page who has been editing much longer than you have, and another user also joined the discussion who also approved of the source stating 6. This really isn’t difficult to understand.Pillowdelight (talk) 02:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Discuss on the talk pages of the specific articles. That should be the process to involve multiple editors when there is a serious conflict in sources.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 03:14, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Well I discussed this with a user who reverted it, as what you did. You also said on both the Grammys and Finneas’ page “discuss on talk”. A bit confusing if you ask me, hence the reason why I’m talking to you on your talk page. It’s been like that for a few months or so stating 6 with a reliable source. You aren’t even arguing your point in saying he was awarded 5. You seem more or less just confused. I’ve already stated with a source stating 6 and I’ve shown you how he was awarded the sixth award. Again, this isn’t difficult to understand. He was awarded 6 not 5.

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Since you seemingly have ignored me I have now found his page on the official Grammys page stating he’s won 6. So I will now also include this in the articles on the Grammys Page and his. Do not revert. It’s already been explained to you more than once now.

https://www.grammy.com/grammys/artists/finneas-oconnell/251939 Pillowdelight (talk) 06:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Not ignoring you, you have ignored the advice to discuss on the article talk page. Trolling rudeness will not help your cause.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Loriendrew,

A chart of the 2020 New Page Patrol Queue

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

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Mason Ramsey wiki page

I've been trying to update Mason Ramsey's birthday on his Wiki page for a while now, and the edit always gets undone. How should I cite a birthday? Isn't that just common knowledge? I don't know why the birthday is incorrect in the first place, but whenever I try to change it to what it should be, it gets undone because I didn't cite it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.145.128.80 (talk) 14:24, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

For Biographies of living (or recently deceased) people proper sourcing is needed, common knowledge if often incorrect. Additionally there are privacy issues where the subject may not desire to have such personal information to be publicly available. Any source that uses user–generated content, such as any wiki–type site, unverified social media, IMdB, and many others may not be used as reliable since people can change it upon whim/vandalism. Legitimate biographical and news sites are generally valid, researched and vetted. Also have a peek at oft discussed reliability list.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 18:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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Sincere apologies

My apologies, sir. I was unaware of that prohibition. Wanted to make the two editors look 'intelligent'. With all sincerity, thank you for letting me know about this guideline.THX1136 (talk) 23:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Please help with updating article

Hi, thanks for your feedback on my last edit on Annabelle Chvostek's page. I am trying to update this article with current information as the last info is from 2008. I'm not trying to promote anything, just updating the info on this artist. I did a "request edit" in the talk page disclosed that I am a family member of Annabelle Chvostek's. I am trying to be as neutral and factual as possible. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong so I can correct it. And if there's nothing I can do to update it, please let me know. In which case, do we have to wait for a fan or just anyone from the internet to update it? Please clarify as I do not understand. Thank you! Tplanter (talk) 16:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Late in responding. A sincere thanks for letting me know about the policy on not editing user comments in articles. I honestly did not know that as I only wanted to make the 2 individuals involved look 'intelligent'. I appreciate your taking the time to point it out. And I now see I had already thanked you. Consider this one a bonus. THX1136 (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Nom nom nom!--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 17:27, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

John Malkovich

Icadded the information about John Malkovich's voting record because it said he had not voted since Mc Govern and I checked to see if he voted in the 2020 Presidential election. He did. He registered to vote in September for the November. and can back it up with screenshots of his profile in the Votebuilder Database.

I can send you screenshots of the information but do not know how to cite it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auntbychoice (talk • contribs) 11:59, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I am Auntbychoice and I edited John Malkovich's entry to add that he voted in the 2020 Presidential election. It had said he did not vote after the McGovern election in 1972. However, I checked the Votebuilder Database for his voting history and he did vote in the 2020 election. He registered in September of 2020 to vote in Cambridge MA. Here is the link https://www.votebuilder.com/ContactsDetails.aspx?VANID=EID5A5878I I don't know how to cite it since it is in a database. I can send you screen shots. I have access to the database because I am on the Massachusetts Democratic State Committee, so you may not be able to access it with that link. Nonetheless, the information is also available from the Board of Elections in Cambridge MA. If you would help with this I would appreciate it.

Auntbychoice,— Preceding unsigned comment added by Auntbychoice (talk • contribs)

Statements such as the one you added must be supported by reliable sourcing (links to how to add such are available through there. Is that entry, without a doubt, the same person as the subject of the article? Wikipedia does not support original research or synthesis of ideas.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 22:11, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

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Request for feedback on an article

Hi there, hope this is the appropriate place to post this. I'm a student working on the following article, String Quartet No. 10 (Shostakovich). Saw that you had recently edited articles in this domain, and was wondering if you could offer some feedback. Many thanks.

Zawinul lava (talk) 00:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zawinul lava:, I would suggest you keep doing what you are doing as it looks fine to me and let me apologize for sounding the same as the other people you have asked. This is not really feedback but the most important thing in your wiki-career would be to understand verifiability. Following those guidelines would allow you to be the most informative and productive you could be.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 22:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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(t · c) buidhe 01:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Your revert at Jane Tomlinson

I noticed this edit; the content added to infobox is in the prose, and is cited (ferinstance, this BBC source used since 2007 at inline citation box #2). I've removed the names of children as not germane to an encyclopedia (and other minor tweaks). You (your TW utility) left a level 2 at (User talk:Okay,okayhshshs#October 2021).

This sequence in entirety was not appropriate. Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:27, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

"following no response".. a statement like that would be warranted for a person who has logged in since the original statement. Anyways, it was a lazy edit on my part, did not read into the section as much as should have been. Early life usually related to youthhood, not adulthood, plus I did a search for "child" rather than son or daughter. As for the warning, if anything, it should have been on the Debbie Rowe edit, not the Jane Tomlinson edit. The level 2 warning has been retracted, and for the record the level would be appropriate given the past history of the user and is following a block.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
ThanQ - the "following no response" was only included as a reason for my update, no other reason. I did wait for a few days and saw you had a long history and an email address. I can see the user had a bad rep, and in fact I wrote a custom message in March rather than a templated warning. I did similar at a corporate IP recently, as AGF in that instance allowed for multiple users.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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