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Image:Arbuthnot_button.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Arbuthnot_button.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Ada Jane Arbuthnot's 'Memories': reviewed anywhere?

Hello Kittybrewster. At WP:COI/N there is still an open item on the Arbuthnot family articles. One of the references sometimes used in those articles is the 'Memories of the Arbuthnots'. I was able to find a microfilm copy of this, and only afterwards noticed that you provide a PDF on line! Trying to evaluate this book as a source, I wonder if you know of any book reviews that were published anywhere? The author has a critical faculty, and did a lot of hard work, but I don't know if she can be considered an historian. If you know of any published comments on this book, I'd appreciate hearing. Thanks, EdJohnston 21:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Harriet Arbuthnot

Thank you for your numerous recent small edits to the above page, which I have recently re-written and hugely expanded. I have reverted some of your changes, especially those to the format of the notes. I have written many pages of that length and longer and prefer the notes to be as I placed them. Im my experience most people like to be able to access the references easily and simply, and that is the easiest format. Please do not change that format but if you have any further information that is relevant to the subject please feel free to add it. Thank you Giano 21:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

John Alves Arnuthnot

I am sorry to see that this man's stub has been deleted in the continuing campaign against you (whatever other excuses are thrown up). Here was someone who appeared in the on-line peerage, which is pretty reliable, was a Justice of the Peace/Magistrate, a county High Sheriff, and founder of a major, well-known, and prestigeous merchant bank in the City of London. (I found an on-line confirmation of the latter on a website which had no connections whatsoever with you/the Arbuthnots). By anyone's logic he must surely rank as notable. I am truly sorry. David Lauder 07:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Malcolm Arbuthnot

Please explain the difference between a reference/source and an external link. - Kittybrewster (talk) 11:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Formally: a reference was used to write the article; and an external link is 'value-added' further reference - see Wikipedia:External links. Practically, though, there's overlap, and I don't think I'm alone in avoiding external links to material whose format might suggest reference quality, but which really isn't up to that quality (in the case of the family tree, sourcing in unpublished personal communications).

I don't doubt that much of your site is well-sourced: for instance, Google finds the Jersey International Festival Arts Festival brochure showing that your contact Melinda Parsons is a professor of art history who has published articles on Arbuthnot, and that's as good as a source gets. But Wikipedia sourcing needs direct reference to those articles. Tearlach 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Current AfD's

As its stands I have refrained from commenting on or !voting in the recent spate of AfD's as I did not want them to turn into the bun fight that other AfD have turned into - however yourself, Astrotrain, Counterrev and David Lauder have !voted in the various articles for AfD. If these !votes remain or any further !votes are lodged on these AfD's then I am going to have to reconsider my decision to stay away from them. I will leave the ball in your court until the end of play today. --Vintagekits 15:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

What a silly threat. I'm not going to let notables be deleted. Wikipedia is not a quid pro quo facility. Vote if you want, that's what I say. Maybe others disagree. --Counter-revolutionary 16:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Evelyn Delves Broughton estate

It just crossed my mind that net vs gross might explain any difference you have in mind. The Times (Latest wills, April 5, 1997) says "Sir Evelyn Delves Broughton, of Nantwich, Cheshire, left estate valued at Pounds 3,962,702 net". Somewhere between £6m and £7m gross, taxed by 40% inheritance tax above whatever the threshold was at the time, would come to about that net figure. Tearlach 17:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You may be interested in...

Sir Simon Marsden, 4th Baronet, I've only just discovered he's a baronet. --Counter-revolutionary 20:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hugo de Arbuthnot et al.

Effigy in Arbuthnot parish church of Hugo de Arbuthnot, "the third of that name, and the fourth laird in succession. He was designated Hugo Blundus, or Hugo le Blond, from the flaxen colour of his hair, and was a liberal benefactor to the clergy, especially to the monks of Aberbrothock in 1282." )

I found this image of a 13th century Hugo de Arbuthnot in the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, Volume 29, 1894-95, available in PDF online here

I have tried to make a case for retaining an article on the Arbuthnot family here and here, but so far with little success. I still think you have a chance to make one that sticks, but you probably need to work on it in userspace (as I have seen other people do) before posting it as an article, and be meticulous about citing sources both for the genealogical synthesis and for many of the details.

I would be surprised if there are not enough published sources that could be used. You have cited The Scots Peerage in a few places, but not consistently and not in the articles where it matters, and never (as far as I have seen) through inline citations/footnotes. It may be dated, but it is an independent source, not authored by an Arbuthnot. You have not cited the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography in places where you could have done so. I assume that there are some good journals for genealogy and local history in Scotland that will have articles on the Arbuthnot family, or parts of it, or more general history journals that can at least contribute tidbits here and there. Pharamond 09:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Fair comment. I could create a wiki tree showing the prominent relationships but I don't see the point while there are so many bad-faith afds around, including Arbuthnot family. Wikipedia is to some extent influenced by people !voting from ignorance and creating silly articles like Clan Arbuthnott. There is no point entering into discussion with such folk. - Kittybrewster (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

They are not bad faith AFDs at all. It seems you learn nothing from your experiences Pharamond is telling you to do what I told you to do before all this started. You have nobody else to blame but yourself for the position your pages are now in. Yet you still don't seem to get it - your pages, as you write them, describe nonentities! They may not be - I don't know but you are not prepared to do any work at all to improve the pages or more importantly describe what makes them notable. The fact that any of those AFDs survive is entirely due to the hard work of others, yet you still have the nerve to sit here whining about bad faith nominations. You say "silly articles like Clan Arbuthnott" but who has been one of its chief editors? - You. If you thought it silly you could have merged and tidied all these things up ages ago -but No. It is left for others while you create even more pointless stubs for other people to sort out. Giano 10:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Henry Fane

Thanks for restoring Henry Fane to his 'Sir'! (see how that article started).Rodolph 23:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Final warning: no more personal attacks

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arbuthnot family, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The above note refers to this response to User:United and Free. You have been warned before about this conduct (see here), and on that occasion you did precisely the same thing: inviting other editors to disregard an editor's comments on grounds of their perceived political persuasion. Editors have all political persuasions are welcome on wikipedia; we discuss the facts and arguments they bring to the project, not the people. Since you have already received a final warning on this subject, I believe that there are clear grounds for blocking you now. The only reason that I have not done so is that as a contributor to the AfD, I do not think that I can be regarded as uninvolved. However, other admins may not feel so constrained. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

PS Please do not simply delete discussions from your talk page, particularly where they include warnings or other conduct-related notices. Much better to move old discussions to an archive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I have checked, and discovered that there was also an earlier archive, which was deleted around the same time was this page was blanked on May 12. In view of the number of blocks and warnings posted on these pages, I have unblanked Archive 1 and created Archive 2 to contain the material blanked on this page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Arbuthnot Heraldry

This might be of interest; http://www.heraldry-online.org.uk/arbuthnot/arbuthnot-arms.htm --Heraldic (talk) 09:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Schloss Lütgenhof and Moritz von Paepcke

I have been researching the Dassow family history for over fifteen years. I came across the article on Dassow, Germany and updated the content based upon the German Wikipedia article. I made updates to this article until I found out that this could be considered a conflict of interest. Independently, User:Charles01 refined Dassow, Germany. When I thanked him for his efforts, he told me that he is distantly related to Moritz von Paepcke the person who built Schloss Lütgenhof.

I hope to eventually write a Wikipedia article about Moritz von Paepcke, but so far there does not seem to be enough information to support a notable article. The history of Schloss Lütgenhof is rather interesting and Moritz von Paepcke and his family are key players. By an odd co-incidence, you (User: kittybrewster) posted to User_talk:Charles01 eight minutes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Charles01&action=history) after I did. You indicated on User:Kittybrewster/About_me that you are associated with the website http://www.kittybrewster.com/ancestry/canning.htm , a website that I just told User:Charles01 about.

Since you are an accomplished Wikipedia editor with a strong background in genealogy, I would appreciate your feedback on whether an article on Moritz von Paepcke or Schloss Lütgenhof.

--Dan Dassow (talk) 11:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I am aware of the castle and of Moritz von Paepcke. But it seems to me that the reliable sources we need are written in German which both you are Charles01 speak but which I do not. I will be the first to read the article when one of you is good enough to write it. Both topics are surely WP:NOTABLE. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Leslie Ward

They'e all on Commons, and correctly tagged. This is the relevant tag: {{PD-art-life-70}}. Ty 22:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Award notice

I've awarded you a barnstar for your work clearing out the CFB cruft. Stifle (talk) 10:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

One man's barnstar is another man's bane.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Castle residents

I've just expanded Bruce Castle substantially; however, this has left it with a number of redlinks that ought not to be. Would you (or anyone watching this page with access to Burke's) be able to create at least minimal stubs for Hugh Hare, 1st Baron Coleraine, Henry Hare, 2nd Baron Coleraine and Henry Hare, 3rd Baron Coleraine, and ideally John Wilmot (MP) (c.1749-1815) which are the four most glaring?

Many thanks… – iridescent 00:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, according to Burke's, John Wilmot was a barrister who assumed (1812) the additional name of Eardley and was father of Sir John Eardley Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet. No mention of his parliamentary career. According to LeighRayment.com the MP was John Wilmot. Are they undoubtedly the same chap? Kittybrewster ☎ 14:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, as there appear to be four generations, all with the same name but different titles; John Eardley Wilmot, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas from 1766 to 1771; his son John Wilmot (MP) (the occupant of the castle) who later assumed the name of Eardley-Wilmot (see [1] for some verification of his existence, at least); his son Sir John Eardley Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet, MP for North Warwickshire; and his son Sir John Eardley-Wilmot, 2nd Baronet, MP for South Warwickshire.

The second one (1749-1815) does appear to be the one who did everything I've ascribed to him in the article (MP for Tiverton & Coventry; Commissioner into the conduct of the American Revolution; founder with Wilberforce and Burke of "Wilmot's Committee" to aid refugees from revolutionary France); there's a biography of him here in Clarke's The Georgian Era (1833);

WILMOT, (JOHN EARDLEY,) son of the chief-justice, was born at Derby, in 1748, and received his education at Westminster and Oxford, where he obtained a fellowship of All Souls' College. He, at first, studied under Doctor (afterwards Bishop) Warburton, for the church; but afterwards, imbibing a partiality for the law, he came to the bar; a step, which his father called, " quitting a bed of roses for a crown ot' thorns." In 1776, about five years after his call, he was returned to parliament for Tiverton, in Devonshire; and, taking part with the opposition, attacked the ministerial party in a pamphlet, denouncing the continuance of war. In 1781, he was appointed a master in Chancery; and, in 1782, was commissioned, in conjunction with others, to inquire into the distribution of the sums destined for the relief ot the American loyalists. In the following year, he spoke on the subject in parliament; and, in reply to Mr. Fox s condemnation of the large sums expended on the American sufferers, declared " he would share with them his last shilling and his last loaf." In 1784, and the parliament which followed in 1790, he sat as member for Coventry, and supported the views of Mr. Pitt during every session. He was particularly hostile to the French revolution ; and, by his exertions, obtained the distribution of a fund, under the sanction of parliament, in behalf of the emigrants from that country. In 1804, he retired altogether from public life; and, devoting himself to literary pursuits, published, shortly afterwards, a life of his father, and also of Bishop Hough. Previously to this, he had written A Treatise on the Laws and Customs of England; and, in the year of his death, which occurred in June, 1815, printed An Historical Review of the Commission relative to the American Loyalists. He was a man of the most upright and unimpeachable character, both public and private; and, in the former, was equally distinguished for his learning and eloquence. He was twice married : first, to the only daughter of S. Sainthell, Esq., by whom he had one son and four daughters, who survived him ; and, secondly, in 1793, to Miss Hastam, by whom he had two children, who died in their infancy.

I admit to never having heard of this book before and have no idea how reliable a source it is, but have no reason to doubt it; it appears to confirm the information I've already used in the article from other sources. If true, I am surprised at the lack of information available for someone who appears to have been a fairly significant figure in the period. – iridescent 15:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

awb

..do you have an awb session open? I can talk you through the steps Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 13:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Start up awb and and select "wiki search" in the "Make from" drop down box. A text box will open up (labeled WIki search"). Type passed away in that. Press the Make List Button.
2. After several seconds the list will be complete. It appears to have exactly 1000 items in it, but you don't really need all of those.
3. Right click on any of the items in the list and select "filter". left click. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
4. A large popup box will appear. In the "namespaces to keep" click the "content" radio box once (to clear everything in the column). Do the same for the "Talk" box (to clear that column too). Then click the box labeled (main), directly under "Content". Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
5. Click the "Apply" button in the top right corner. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
6. OK now your list has 995 items. Just to the right of the list of articles that was generated, there is an area labeled "Find and Replace". Click the "Enabled" radio box. Then click the "Normal Settings" button.
7. A new large popup will appear. In the "find" column type the URL you want to find, and in the "replace" column type the new one. You can do this for several rows.. you can find and replace several things. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
8. Click the Done button in the top right corner. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
9. Go to the Tab that says Skip. Click the box that says "No changes are made." Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
10. Go to the tab that says Start. Click the Minor Edit box, and then the Start button. It will ask you to log in. Do so. The click the Start button again. You're ready to go... Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Reference Desk Barnstar
		Thank you for answering my IQ question on the Reference Desk! --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Image

Per image talk page, permission has been granted, but not the permission required by wikipedia, so it will be deleted. I suggest getting the correct permission. Ty 19:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Agnatic/cognatic

Hi! :) When succession is agnatic, only males can succeed. If a man has no sons, he is succeeded by his brother or his brother's son or his uncle etc. Daughters cannot succeed. Had succession to the British throne been agnatic, William IV would've been been succeeded by his brother and not by his niece. Succession to the British throne is cognatic, while succession to the Hanoverian throne was agnatic - that's why Victoria got the UK while her uncle got Hanover. Japan and Liecthenstein are some of the countries that still practice agnatic primogeniture. Cognatic primogeniture may be male-preferance primogeniture (women succeed if they have no brothers) or equal primogeniture (eldest child succeed regardless of gender). Legitimacy is usually important, as illegitimate children usually can't succeed (there are exceptions, though). Surtsicna (talk) 16:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question

You are receiving this message because you have previously posted at a Ireland naming related discussion. Per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names#Back-up procedure, a procedure has been developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration, and the project is now taking statements. Before creating or replying to a statement please consider the statement process, the problems and current statements. GnevinAWB (talk) 18:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Who ya gonna call? Hoaxbusters!

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For your efforts in bringing to AfD AND CfD all the huge collection of Spring family/Baron Lavenham hoax articles. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbuthnot painting

At my Wikimedia Commons page, which I rarely check (sorry), you asked about my attribution of a portrait to Godfrey Kneller. This site has the painting, the artist, and the sitter. - Astrochemist (talk) 12:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Baron Kilmarnock

Who inherits the chiefship of Clan Boyd now? Does legitimatio per subsequens matrimonium apply? Choess (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Does it not go to the new Laird? Kittybrewster ☎ 09:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The new baron is the brother of the late 7th baron; the latter has a son born prior to his parents' marriage, who was nable to succeed to the UK title but may perhaps be eligible for Scots honours (e.g., the remainder of the earldom of Erroll). Choess (talk) 22:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The Chief of the Clan is the person who is entitled to the undifferenced Arms. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ. See Clan chief. For the purposes of wiki, the chief is the persone who the references list as such, eg: Burks, Standing council, or clan web site. These give Kilmarnockk as chief, notably the 7th. Please give your references if you change the chief, I do not think it is the place of editors to decide how a chieftain descends. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 13:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

7th Baron having recently died, I imagine nobody has yet applied for the undifferenced Arms. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

You do not apply for "undifferenced arms", if they exist and are matriculated under the 3 generation or 100 years rule they are inherited. But this is another matter and not relevant. undifferenced arms have nothing to do with clan chiefs. Further the arms of Baron Kilmarnock are not the undifferenced Boyd arms, They are Quarterly, 1st Azure a fess chequy Argent and Gules (for Boyd), 2nd Argent three inescutcheons Gules (for Hay), 3rd Argent three gillyflowers Gules within a double tressure flory counter flory Vert (for Livingston), 4th Sable a bend between six billets Or (for Callendar). The undifferenced Boyd arms would be Azure a fess chequy Argent and Gules. No source as yet gives the name of the new chief, so we can not put it, nor should we speculate in this matter. Yours, Czar Brodie (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree to some extent. My thought was that the arms of 7th Baron might go to his son or his brother (the 8th Baron). I then read Clan_chief#.22Chief_of_the_Name_and_Arms.22. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

re Barbara Everard

Thanks for your assistance - I'm helping a new editor (the artist's son) to get the article together, as he originally posted it to his userspace along with a plea for help. Wish me luck in teasing out those refs ;) EyeSerene^talk 14:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Well done. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Italian "nobility"

Is there a WP:RS for these? How should I spell priviledge and appologise? Kittybrewster ☎ 12:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed there is Kitty, it's called the Libro d'Oro della Nobilta Italiana. One is either in or out, and if out, one stays out. No running the local council, a trade union or winning the lottery and/or giving it to the Labour/Conservative party will change that. The Italian nobility have learnt to fight to survive, they are tough lot - attack them with caution. Regarding my spelling, when you can speak Italian as well as I can speak English, then you may comment. Until that happy day, shutuppa-your-mouth and leave the wisecracks to me. Giano (talk) 17:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Not in my library. You will have to drop off a copy if your satnav is working again. Kittybrewster ☎ 18:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

• Don't think I will bother, it's not as though you are likely to know anyone - is it? Giano (talk) 10:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I had not realised that was a requirement for writing a bio article. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Shameless thankspam

FlyingToaster Barnstar

Hello Kittybrewster! Thank you so much for your support in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of 126/32/5. I am truly humbled by the trust you placed in me, and will endeavor to live up to that trust. FlyingToaster

Questions

Topic ban concerning baronets and knights

1. What articles does it cover that are not of baronets or knights?
2. Is it punitive or preventive?
3. Duration of topic ban?
4. Ban imposed by whom?
5. Date of ban?
6. Reason for ban?
7. Difference justifying ban
8. Purpose of ban?
9. What different conduct on my part is wanted?
10. To whom do I appeal?
11. Where do I appeal?
12. How do I appeal?

- Kittybrewster ☎ 15:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The topic ban is a community enacted sanction. In order to determine its scope you would need to go and read the discussion. The majority of your questions could most likely be answered by examining it. You were blocked in this instance for moving that article in violation of an Arbitration Committee imposed restriction. As you have already been told, in order to appeal the topic ban you would need to post at WP:ANI. Any Arbitration Committee imposed restriction would have to be appealed to the Arbcom. Do you have any specific question related to the motion notification I posted above? I want to make sure there is no further confusion over its terms in the future. KnightLago (talk) 19:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. What articles does it cover that are not of baronets or knights? Kittybrewster ☎ 20:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Any article are relating to Baronets and Knights in a broad sense. KnightLago (talk) 20:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Does that include James Hunter Blair? Why? Kittybrewster ☎ 20:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Because (1) it was at Sir James Hunter Blair, 8th Baronet even though he's not a Baronet, and (2) as he's a son of a Baronet, it's related in a broad sense. Mangojuice^talk 19:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

This also appears informative. KnightLago (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The only allegations there against me are (a) that I reported Vk's mass-moves to AN/I. Was that wrong? What else should I have done? And (b) that I have a COI. What is it? Can someone cite the relevant diff giving an example where my alleged COI caused a problem? There must be a way to appeal this. I tried to do so at AN but the appeal just got ignored and filed. If the purpose was to allow people to cool down, my response is that I never wound up the drama. Kittybrewster ☎ 20:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Appeal to Arbcom. You could also email Jimmy Wales directly, he has reserved authority to alter Arbcom rulings. Just do it, raise a motion, make your best argument. You will need to explain why (1) the ban is substantially interfering with you and (2) why it is inappropriate. Criticisms of your conduct can be found in the archives of the admin noticeboards; go looking for them. A simple request for evidence (from ArbCom) will fail. Or, just accept it and avoid doing page moves: remember, the ban is only against page moves. Mangojuice^talk 19:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it isn't. It is a complete 1yr topic band of Baronets. Apparently not. I'm also somewhat puzzled by the scope. If sons of Baronets are part of the ban, are also brothers, sisters, mothers, grandchildren or grandparents? I means, really, where exactly is the line drawn? And how exactly does interpreting it so liberally really help the encyclopaedia? Kb - for reasons better known to himself - is a prolific contributor to articles about the great and the good of the British class system. In that scene pretty everyone is but a marriage to a cousin away from a Baronet. Rockpocket 01:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, weird, isn't it? The community, at least some substantial portion of it, was trying to ban KB from the whole topic, not just moves. There was a request for that ban to be enforced, which I recall declining to do because I felt page moves were the main issue. And the duration part, which was in there from the beginning, was dropped by ArbCom. Please inform me if someone makes a motion / request for clarification / appeal to ArbCom; I feel that ArbCom was lazy in not accepting the case for a full hearing and would like to make that opinion known. At the very least, the duration of the ban on KB ought to be finite. Mangojuice^talk 01:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Clive Granger's wife's maiden name was Loveland. He was a knight so I can't add that. How gay is that? Kittybrewster ☎ 12:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You can, as long as no page move is involved. The ArbCom motion was quite clear that the ban is only on page moves. Mangojuice^talk 19:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thats not what has been argeed, this is. If you are sidelining the restrictions that have been put on Kitty then I will assume that all restrictions are null and void, which you dont have the power to do.--Vintagekits (talk) 08:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You have linked to the correct ruling. Read it; ArbCom says it "recognizes and confirms" the community bans but from the context it is clear it doesn't recognize a full topic ban, because that was a proposed alternative that doesn't pass. The motion specifically says you are both topic banned from page moves, and from nominating pages created by each other for deletion, but describes no further restrictions on you. I think it would be for the good of Wikipedia for you both to be clearer on this; I will start a discussion on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive195#Vintagekits_and_Kittybrewster to clarify the situation. Mangojuice^talk 12:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is Vintagekits posting on this page? He is banned from it. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It was worth a try, Mangojuice, but clearly the terms, justification and limits of this ban make perfect sense to Tznkai. And as the self appointed arbiter of community bans that is apparently sufficient to uphold it until such as time his interpretation changes. Sadly, the community is understandably sick of dealing with this issue, and therefore the chances of reinvigorating a debate focusing of specifics is unlikely to be successful at this time. Personally, I can't help see this as a fait accompli engineered by a certain unnamed former editor. That Vk appears unusually content to accept the ban is consistent with that. But you walked straight into it, Kb, and now need to deal with the consequences. My suggestion to you is to wait it out for a while, keep your nose clean, and after a suitable period appeal to ArbCom. A complicating factor is that ArbCom will likely refer you back to "the community". So I would try and stay on Tznkai good side if I were you. Rockpocket 23:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Not at all, but I am not surprised that you would say something like that. I am pretty peed off about it, however, I respect what a number of editors and admins have had to say on the issue and accept it as a solution to the issue for now. Also I am glad to have one less headache.--Vintagekits (talk) 08:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Poll on Ireland (xxx)

A poll is up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ireland_Collaboration/Poll on Ireland (xxx). This is a vote on what option or options could be added in the poll regarding the naming of the Ireland and Republic of Ireland and possibly the Ireland (disambiguation) pages. The order that the choices appear in the list has been generated randomly. Sanctions for canvassing, forum shopping, ballot stuffing, sock puppetry, meat puppetry will consist of a one-month ban, which will preclude the sanctioned from participating in the main poll which will take place after this one. Voting will end at 21:00 (UTC) of the evening of 1 July 2009 (that is 22:00 IST and BST). -- Evertype·✆ 18:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The poll is to decide the option "Ireland (xxx)" presented in the main poll, not the main poll itself. DrKiernan (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Can I refer you to WP:CANVASS. Thanks. Tfz 00:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Strike this, my misinterpretation, and apologies to DrKiernan for that. Tfz 12:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Philip de László article

Hi! In reviewing the history of the Philip de László article, it looks like you were the person responsible for including the long list of portrait sitters. I came across a problem in the list when I was cleaning up links to a mistitled article I moved. Someone seems to have come along after you made the list and become confused with two "Lady Castlereagh"s from very different eras.

I've explained the issue on Talk:Philip de László. It involves verifying the name of one of the sitters. And then determining whether the name in the list can be linked to an existing article on the second Lady Castlereagh.

The source appears to be a book, not one of the external web sites listed in the article. If you still have the source handy, perhaps you could fix the list. Sorry for the bother. Dunnettreader (talk) 04:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I seem to have located her, so have corrected the list and link as noted on Talk:Philip de László. Dunnettreader (talk) 01:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

AWB Task

Hi. Did the task you posted get completed? If not I would be willing to do it although there are a few things in your description which are confusing me. Regards, Alan16 (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC).

Sir Henry Chamberlain, 1st Baronet

Hi. I'm hoping you can help me locate any sources relating to Sir Henry Chamberlain, 1st Baronet's upbringing; in particular, one which could verify that his father was Henry Fane, MP. I thought you'd be the best person to ask, since you added the section in Chamberlain's article, and I'm struggling to find any other references elsewhere which don't appear to originate from your Chamberlain article edit. Any assistance you could offer would be much appreciated!

Thanks and regards,

--stdace (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please ignore; of all the things I managed to overlook the obvious reference to Basil Hall Chamberlain by Yuzo Ota added after your edit, somehow (goodness knows how from the title) assuming it was a source for Fane's ancestry. Incidentally, the book provides sources to read up on which look like they should suffice. Cheers. --stdace (talk) 01:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Aylesbury Baronets

I have just created Sir Thomas Aylesbury, 1st Baronet, which probably needs further checking. I did read the hidden comment at Aylesbury Baronets; but it would be unusual to redirect a person to a baronetcy with just one holder, I think, rather than the other way round. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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Troubles Arbitration Case: Amendment for discretionary sanctions

As a party in The Troubles arbitration case I am notifying you that an amendment request has been posted here.

For the Arbitration Committee

Seddon ^talk|^WikimediaUK 16:41, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Passed Away

Not nearly that many see [2].SADADS (talk) 15:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for getting rid of that awful "passed away" in the Evan Mackie article; people it for "died" all to often, presumably thinking it is more "sensative". All it does it adds a touch of mawkishness. Cheers Minorhistorian (talk) 21:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hi, may I remember you that you can use your sandbox/user space to start new articles, to wikify, format and categorise them, to add references and even to build a coherent text - before moving them to main space. This might help to avoid such a wreck as Richard Lloyd-Jones (Permanent secretary). May I refer you in this regard to Wikipedia:User_page#How_to_create_a_user_subpage and Wikipedia:Starting an article. By the way do you know Wikipedia:Article wizard 2.0, yet? Best wishes ~~ Phoe _talk ~~ 01:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

James Shaw, 1st Baronet of Kilmarnock

Would you care to take a look over this one? I'm about to put it up for DYK, but not sure the article title is ideal- looking at Shaw Baronets, it seems this is the way to disambiguate,l but you have more experience of this than I. Cheers. Rodhullandemu 23:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Christopher Ivor (diplomat)

A tag has been placed on Christopher Ivor (diplomat), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page.

If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Wikipedia page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 17:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you very much for the barnstar! After I posted the note about the group of "passed away" pages which I completed, I've been working on a second group (of about 600). It's slow going as I have to look for quotes, titles, and other exceptions, but I'm plugging away at it. Anyways, thanks again; it is much appreciated. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Wilton Cezar Xavier

Dear Kittybrewster,

Let me point out the reasons that make me believe the article on Wilton Cezar Xavier should not be deleted. Please keep in mind that, although I've read Wikipedia's general notability guideline, I'm not familiar with how it is put to practice.

Reason #1: There is a plethora of articles on Brazilian players which, as a Brazilian citizen who is fairly knowledgeable in local football affairs, I can assure you are not as notable as Wilton. These are just a few examples: Nílton Coelho da Costa, Alfeu Martha de Freitas, Acácio Cordeiro Barreto, Toninho Almeida and Clesly Evandro Guimarães, most of which are completely unsourced.

Reason #2: Wilton was famous! Here are some links regarding his death (sorry, all of them are in Portuguese): http://video.globo.com/Videos/Player/0,,GIM1175866-7759-MORRE+AOS+ANOS+WILTON+CESAR+XAVIER+EXFLUMINENSE+E+SAO+PAULO,00.html (video), http://terceirotempo.ig.com.br/noticia/Morre_Wilton_ex_ponta_do_Fluminense-15781, and http://www.espbr.com/noticias/morre-wilton-ex-ponta-fluminense, http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/cidades,morre-o-ex-jogador-do-fluminense-wilton-cezar-xavier,481610,0.htm.

Kind regards,

Pedrovsky (talk) 23:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Untimely

Hello. Although 'untimely' may be a bit overused, it remains grammatical usage, as far as I know. See [3]. Premature might be a tad better perhaps. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 12:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Grammatical yes. Encyclopedic no. Kittybrewster ☎ 13:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

John Ellerman

Hi Kittybrewster/Archive 3! A biographical article you have been edited or contributed to with has many issues and urgently needs improving. If you can help with these issues please see Talk:John Ellerman, address the different points if you can, and leave any comments there. Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 11:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Malvern College

Hi Kittybrewster/Archive 3! The Old Malvernians/alumnae section that you contributed to in Malvern College finally got so long that it had to be split off into a separate list page. In doing so, it's been found that for many of those noble people there is no actual proof that they ever went to the school. However, they probably did, and the entries were made in good faith. Nevertheless, the rules require everything in the encyclopedia to be verifiably sourced. It would be great therefore, if you could take a look at the list and help out if you can with providing some references. The people all have their own Wiki articles, but it is no guarantee that the mentions of Malvern College (if any) are correctly cited. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 17:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

just a note on your previous post 'evocative' (AdjComp)

I recently argued with you about an adjective concept as to its relation in accompanying preposition, and it seems that my conclusion was not quite correct as I thought. It was an interesting point, but we could not get any further explanations. Have you come across any other explanations? As far as I know, only the verbal adjectives (‘ed’ participles) accompany prepositions. However, I was wrong in saying that adjectives in general cannot precede a preposition which accompanies a prepositional phrase or prepositional phrases (though the preposition ‘of’ is another problem on the question whether ‘of’ can follow an adjective in an adjective clause). So I thought that I should post this to you. —Mihkaw napéw (talk) 04:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The answer to the old question raised is this: when a word (such as "evocative [of something]") requires some extra material to make it usable in a sentence, that is called its subcategorization features or subcategorization requirements. Subcategorization is usually used to refer to verbs (especially in compositional semantics, the study of how a sentence meaning is built out of relationships among its parts), but it can actually refer to any word. "Evocative", in the sense it was used in that RD/L question, has a subcategorization requirement that it must be followed by a prepositional phrase.

A good reference for this is the third chapter of David Adger's book Core Syntax (2003). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 07:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

As a non-native speaker of English, the problem that I have sometimes is understanding the compositionality of constituents correctly within grammatical references. I cannot not take too much of this user space. So theses exemplify my problem:

• He was amazed at the performance of the great hits at the newly built grammar school.
• Matthew who also joined the team recently was amused by the performance.
• ‘It is avocative of the sprit of exodus to revoke pedantry,’ said Matthew.
• Matthew is preceded by Gail, but (honestly) I waved once my flag for Gail.

—Mihkaw napéw (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

My previous edit missed the proper WP page encoding; missing of prepositions or words alike.

I just correcet one error. —Mihkaw napéw (talk) 04:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

image of Lord M

Hi, you recently restored a non-neutral image of Lord Monckton at his bio, in contradiction to our BLP policy, without comment. William Connolley has recently admitted on his blog here that the picture has been chosen because it makes Lord M look like a "wacko". Would you care to explain why you did this, and preferrably, fix it up again for me, i.e. remove the image until a neutral one can be obtained. Thanks. Alex Harvey (talk) 01:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

You and some others think the image is non-neutral. I disagree; it is just a licensed image. The article benefits from an image. Connelley's view or admission (like yours and mine) is not the issue here. I do not prefer this image because it make Monckton look like a wacko (which I do not accept); I prefer it because it has a licence. I think Monckton is courageous, articulate and intelligent (which is also irelevant). Kittybrewster ☎ 10:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

You're misrepresenting WMC. He says that (in his opinion, which I don't share) "the picture makes Lord M look like a bit of a wacko". He does not say that the picture was chosen to make him look like a wacko. Please don't put words into other people's mouths. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Kittybrewster, if you are cognizant of the fact that I am not alone in finding the image to be not neutral, tell me how it is that you're not able to understand that the BLP policy directs us to err conservatively in favour of those editors in these situations? Alex Harvey (talk) 14:06, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Flight Time

Thank You Mlpearc (talk) 01:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I see your edits and under stand but does not the article in main space (with the incressed body work) get sent back to my user space ? Never been here don't know how the process works, or am I jumping the gun ? Mlpearc (talk) 01:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You can copy and keep it wherever you like as a subpage under your name. What you want is to have it somewhere so that all your work is not lost. Kittybrewster ☎ 07:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Mlpearc (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Eric Arbuthnot

On User talk:Bobo192, Kittybrewster said:
Notable?

Hi there. As Eric Arbuthnot has played first-class cricket, he qualifies as notable by WP:CRIC and, by extension, WP:BIO guidelines. I keep a list of first-class and List A cricketers linked in various places from my user page, though I have not made a list of former Natal players as yet. As there are 611 first-class matches to draw names from, it seems like it would be a very long process. Bobo. 12:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Lionel Gough Arbuthnot

I'll take a look later. At work at present. We can add some cricket details, I'm sure. Johnlp (talk) 12:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I've put in a few details of his cricket career, such as it was. Not, I suspect, an ornament to the game. How and why did he get the MBE? Johnlp (talk) 21:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Will have a look, though I have busy weekend ahead, so probably won't be fast. BTW, LGA seems to have been an ADC on the "personal staff" of the Army general list in WW1; assuming he was ADC to one of the bigwig generals, he probably picked up his MBE then for services rendered. The MBE is mentioned in a London Gazette notice in 1921 but isn't in the one from 1919 when he leaves the regular army. He'd have been a bit old even by WW1 cannon fodder standards to have been a "regular soldier" (and he was a bit old to be merely a lieutenant or acting captain). So I suspect he was picked as an amiable cove to carry some general's briefcase around and be generally genial. Johnlp (talk) 00:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

"LGA seems to have been an ADC on the 'personal staff' of the Army general list in WW1" - yes, I supposed. Where did you get that from please? Kittybrewster ☎ 09:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Here Johnlp (talk) 10:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

So how does this work, then? Was he a brigadier-general from his former service in the Lancashire Fusiliers and then called back in World War One as a "bag carrier" and given the notional rank of captain? I'm afraid these army shenanigans always confuse me rather. Anyway, he's obviously more distinguished than he appeared at first sight! Johnlp (talk) 22:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't think so. Brig-Gen Royal Fusiliers. I don't understand it either. Kittybrewster ☎ 23:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Some references in The Times:

• The Times Monday, Mar 18, 1963; pg. 1; Issue 55652; col A
• The Times Wednesday, Nov 26, 1913; pg. 3; Issue 40379; col G
• The Times Wednesday, Jan 01, 1896; pg. 3; Issue 34775; col A
• The Times, Monday, Oct 18, 1920; pg. 21; Issue 42544; col E
• The Times, Saturday, Oct 13, 1906; pg. 7; Issue 38150; col D

Performing these searches also provide some results: [4] [5]

Rudolf Hess

Hello Kitty, perhaps you can shed some light onto this matter. In my old Tower of London guidebooks, they list Rudolf Hess as having been a former prisoner in the Tower of London; however, the Wikipedia article doesn't mention a sojourn in the Tower. Would you happen to know the truth? If he was indeed a prisoner, I will add the cat to his article. Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not concerned with truth. Just RS and V. I think your guidebook meets these provided the statement in the article refers to it. There are other statements to the same effect online. Go ahead and add it. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I just added it, with the ref. Thanks once again.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Peter Padfield's "Hess: the Führer's Disciple" mentions Hess being kept in the Tower of London immediately after arriving, until 'Camp Z' at Mytchett Place could be set up to hold him; he was thereforce at the Tower from 10-11 May to 20 May. Sam Blacketer (talk) 15:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

George Cross

Your entirely-deserved award to Rockpocket has been bashed on the rounds of not being a free image (or something). See: User talk:Rockpocket#Non Free Files in your User Space. You might want to replace. Trust you are well. --Major Bonkers (talk) 17:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you do it for me? Kittybrewster ☎ 19:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: What does it mean

Kittybrewster,

I take it you're refering to my signature. It's a quote from the song "Invisible Universe" which is from "Ghost in the Shell" Anime (I'm an Anime Fan) Literally, it's latin for "Watch in Glory (Naljuboutes) Heavenly Glory (Aeria Gloris)". KoshVorlonNaluboutes,Aeria Gloris 13:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Mail fraud

Hi Kitty, not sure I agree 100% with your move of this to Mail fraud in the USA. Are you planning to do something with Mail fraud that requires the US federal offense stuff to be under its own disambiguated title (that's really what it is)? In that case shoudn't the moved title be Mail fraud (United States) as per similar disambiguations? If there is no plan to work on the generic Mail fraud article, I think the move should be undone until there is such a plan and the move is required. Thoughts? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 15:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it should deal with the world-wide phenomenon. But at the moment it is very USA skewed. - Kittybrewster ☎ 16:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Well yes, because (as I said at the Help desk) it is specifically about the offence under US Federal law. The concept/term is not really used anywhere else as far as I know, certainly not in Europe, where it's just part of the wider "fraud" and not a specific offence relating to fraud using the postal system; don't know about Canada or the rest of the English speaking world. The same goes for "wire fraud" which really is a US concept/term. – ukexpat (talk) 17:34, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The phenomenon exists all over the place. I think USA has drawn various conning offences under the one term. I am unsure how to deal with it. - Kittybrewster ☎ 17:57, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title. DrKiernan (talk) 09:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

Moore Baronets

Thanks for the Barnstar. At least that hoax was easy to find and remove. I and others have been fighting a persistent hoaxer on Barbaro family and associated pages. The problem dates back to May of 2007 and some more watchers wouldn't hurt. Edward321 (talk) 00:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

File:J d'Aguilar Samuda.jpg

Hi, I took the liberty to use the best fitting licenses and upload the original image from flick. Best Hekerui (talk) 12:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Good job. Kittybrewster ☎ 13:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism of Malcolm Rifkind

Kitty pls 1) stop removing information/references and 2) placing completely innaccurate statements on the Malcolm Rifkind page. I was going to explain to you the ethos of wikipedia and what constitutes vandalism but judging by all these other violations you have made it seems you already know! If it persists I will escalate. --SteamedTreacle (talk) 14:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.163.197 (talk)

Be polite and civil. Assume good faith. Read up on vandalism. No personal attacks. Observe BLP and discuss on talk page. Kittybrewster ☎ 18:20, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Bigotgate

Hi. I appreciate your efforts to improve the article so that it is about the incident rather than the person. However wouldn't you agree that the incident in itself is still not noteworthy enough to have it's own article, and a section in another election related article would be more appropriate? Abc30 (talk) 15:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Could well be. Meanwhile we must observe BLP. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:47, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I have a question about this addition – was it copied from the deleted Bigoted woman incident? If so, attribution must be given to those contributors to satisfy Wikipedia's licensing requirements (see WP:Copying within Wikipedia). I'll help if a fix is necessary. Thanks. Flatscan (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I have no idea how to fix the history. Thank you. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Per comments below, now discussing the attribution issue at DRV (subpaged to WP:Deletion review/Bigoted woman incident). Flatscan (talk) 04:18, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Since this is being discussed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 April 29, please check it out. I have proposed a simple solution to the GFDL issue of a copy/paste, namely moving the deleted contents to an appropriate redirect name and subsequently creating a protected redirect. Please do provide your input. — Scientizzle 14:13, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with that suggestion and endorse your actions. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I nominated this for AFD because I was removing the speedy delete tag. I felt the article breached BLP ONEEVENT BLP1E and NOTNEWS but that it merited more discussion than would occur under the SPEEDY DELETE tag. Scientizzle’s actions have been fine and Wikipedia has worked very well in this case. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. People in the UK aren't actually calling this "Bigotgate" are they? Has the -gate moniker really migrated across the Atlantic? If so, I'd like to apologize on behalf of the USA for exporting our tired, needless noun modifiers... — Scientizzle 16:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

13,300 google entries for it. Twitter particularly seems to like abbreviations. Thank you for your gracious apology which I accept on behalf of the people of the UK. Kittybrewster ☎ 16:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it's made it onto List of scandals with "-gate" suffix...might need to put that on my watchlist for WP:BLP violations. — Scientizzle 16:46, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

It is a dreadful scandal, I can't imagine how any woman (bigoted or not) could bare to be seen on TV in such mundane attire. I don't think she had even been to the hairdresser let alone popped into Dior. Wretched woman has lost her self respect - far worse then being bigoted. Personally, I love all these delightful Eastern Europeans in London, I can't think where I would be without Stanislas my plumber who attends to all my needs. Forget that horrid, grisly Gordon Brown and that little Cleggy individual, I implore you all to vote for that nice Samantha Cameron - there's a woman who not only knows how to dress, but also sells handbags at £1,500 a time. Which I think is rather nice and shows a certain panache and disregard for the unkempt and mundane littering the London streets. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I very much suspect you wouldn't be seen dead in Rochdale. Kittybrewster ☎ 17:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course I'm seen dead in Rochdale, I've hunted with the Holcombe since I was a mere slip of a girl, so much cheaper than the Quorn, especially as I have to pay Stanislas' cap too, not that I'm a mean person. Rochdale is a charming place, all those beautiful smokey chimneys and all those dear little factory and mill girls in national costume singing about Sallys in their Allies - quite delightful. On a more serious note, should we be doing more to support poor little David? (or "Dave" as he likes to be known - Oh shudder) I've no confidence in him at all, but compared to the rest....how low our once great empire has sunk - I shudder to think what Winston must be saying - I am quite despairing - it's not as though any of them have even run a bookies shop - which at least would be useful. The end must surely be nigh. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 23:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

List of life peerages

I split up the list, but left the decision on whether to split Brown from Blair until after the election. I hope you'll agree that breaking off 1958–79 and 1979–97 as okay regardless of who wins the election. If not, we can deal with that however you like. In any event, List of life peerages (1997–present) had former MPs marked with a double dagger, but only from 2001 on. I went ahead and added them to former MPs created life peers from 1997 to 2001, but I would appreciate someone casting an eye over the list to help assure that I haven't blundered along the way. Thanks. -Rrius (talk) 00:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Kittybrewster. You have new messages at Favonian's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Please see my response to your comment on my talk page. Gandydancer (talk) 11:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for splitting the Tariq Khan article in two.

FWIW, it looks like the nationalist who originally wrote over top of the article about the Guantanamo captive has returned. I have never requested page protection, or partial page protection. When I looked up the instructions I figured this individual's efforts weren't serious enough to merit a request for partial page protection. I do think it is likely they will try again.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 15:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: MPs and a funny

Thank you! Team effort though - you deserve thanks in similar proportions. All the articles now need checking to make sure they're in Category:UK MPs 2010-, and as Bearcat pointed out a fair amount of disambiguation still needs to be done. On that redirect - enough to make you cry sometimes! ninety:one (reply on my talk) 15:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Guildford - boundary changes must have been thought to have moved Tory voters out of the constituency/LibDem voters in, which is why it was changed to a notional LibDem seat for swing purposes (don't get me started on our national obsession with swings). As this assumption is unsourced I would have no problems with returning it to a Tory seat and therefore a hold.

Quentin Davies (and others, such as Jim Knight) remain ministers until a new government is formed and a PM appointed. I shouldn't imagine they're doing anything official though (not that anyone is for that matter!). ninety:one (reply on my talk) 16:34, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Italian fake parties on wikipedia

I think that these 2 pages should be deleted: Lega Padana Lombardia and Lombardy Project. As i've written in their "discussion" these parties don't exist actually and never existed in the past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.33.133.92 (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Angela Smith

I suspect her expenses probably aren't very notable, but they seem to have attracted some press coverage: [6] and [7]. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Kappa Sigma motto source

Hello, you added a translation for the Kappa Sigma motto, but did not provide a citation. Do you have a source for this? NYCRuss ☎ 12:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, there is a discussion at Talk:Kappa Sigma#AEKDB and referencability. NYCRuss ☎ 12:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for templating you before. My behavior was inappropriate, and you deserve to be treated in a dignified and respectful manner. NYCRuss ☎ 00:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Tony Hayward

Was the "Who's who 2009" info you added to the talk page a direct quote from a copyrighted book? If so, it would seem to be a copyright violation, and not "fair use," and should be removed, although it makes a great reference and should be cited in the article for any facts which seem encyclopedic and which might be challenged. Also, you forgot to sign (four tildes and all), so I signed for you. Thanks.(sorry, forgot to sign) Edison (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

New Userright

Just a note that I've added "reviewer" to your userrights. I've seen you around the Help Desk and you seem trustworthy to me. Cheers! TNXMan 20:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Feedback Page Remodeling

Hi, Kittybrewster - WP:RFF is being remodeled and your entry is going to be archived - no response as of yet has been given, so I'll re-enter it on the new page for you. Thanks! Qwerp (talk) 04:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

Thanks for your help on the table version of the honorary Knights and Dames page. If we keep plugging away a few names at a time for the next few days, we'll be done before we know it!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Further splitting the life peerages articles

Now that the election is done and gone and we have a decent number of peerage for Cameron that are either listed or about to be listed, do you think it would be appropriate to break him off from the Labour PMs? Size-wise, a 1997–2010 article would be the rough equivalent of the other two, and, thematically, a list covering the 13 years of Labour would nicely parallel the 18 Conservative years of Thatcher and Major. As I understand it, the current crop of 56 new peers are set to be joined by new Tory and Lib Dem peers in the near future, so it is not as though this is going to be a stubby list article. Let me know what you think. -Rrius (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

My preference would be to leave them together at least for the moment. IMHO Brown has added some dreadful names to the dissolution honours list and it seems sad to have to leave them under Cameron's name. - but that is the way it works. I don't feel strongly either way. Kittybrewster ☎ 22:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Kenneth Guy Blaikie

Hi. In my (never-ending) quest to get something on everyone who ever played cricket for Somerset, I've just tackled Kenneth Guy Blaikie, and I see that he's popped up in your researches into the Arbuthnots. I wondered if you had any further information on him that might flesh the article out a bit: I've already lifted (and modified) part of the article about his son that mentions him. Was he, for example, known as Kenneth, Guy, or Bill? Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 09:11, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

To me he was always Bill. Never Kenneth. Kittybrewster ☎ 10:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I knew you'd know! KR. Johnlp (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Re George Arbuthnot Scott: I can't find an obit in Wisden, which in the 1920s was usually pretty good on amateur players and ex-public school cricketers, so I think as a cricketer you'd have to say that he's pretty obscure (though in WP terms still notable, because he played first-class cricket). Do you know if he was a relative of the main Arbuthnot(t) branches or just someone who acquired the name as a middle name with no visible antecedents? Presumably Tonbridge School would have some records: Dulwich I know (for instance) have all the people who went to Oxbridge between about 1890 and 1950 on vast painted boards in their main hall. Johnlp (talk) 13:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know whether he was or was not related. His father was Rev Avison Terry Scott and his brother Arthur Avison Scott (both first class cricketers). Nor do I know about Tonbridge School. I will hunt about. Kittybrewster ☎ 13:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

MPs' expenses

FYI: Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#MPs' scandals covered up on Wikipedia (UK Telegraph). -- ChrisO (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: template needing your help please

Template:English barons DBD 09:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, what? What exactly do you think needs achieving? Explain in full sentences DBD 10:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Template:English barons links to each Baron (where possible), whereas Template:Hereditary barons of England links to the page for each Barony. You see the issue? The latter, if it should exist, should be named Template:English baronies DBD 17:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by "need to be linked to something" DBD 22:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Lord Edgecombe

I've turned it into a redirect to George Edgcumbe, 1st Earl of Mount Edgcumbe - see talk page. PamD (talk) 18:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:TTR

Sorry, I don't agree with WP:DNTTR, but I appreciate you commenting on my talkpage on that matter. My personal view is that WP:TTR is more appropriate. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 20:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for your input

Kitty, as a BLP regular and general sensible person, could you possibly have a look at the proposals I've posted at Talk:Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley#Monckton-Abraham for resolving a BLP issue on that article? I will also be posting some more proposals later today on the House of Lords membership issue that was discussed at the RSN. -- ChrisO (talk) 12:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I have been watching it and comment occasionally. I think you are doing a great job in upholding BLP, not losing your cool and resisting provocations, discourtesies and unconstructive twaddle. Some folk will insist on arguing the hind legs off a donkey. Kittybrewster ☎ 13:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very kind of you to say so. I've posted my proposals on the House of Lords issue at Talk:Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley‎#Monckton and Parliament. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Belated felicitations

On the various events of the past week or two—a sort of early, and, I trust, pleasant, climacteric year, or so it seems. Best, Choess (talk) 05:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Adminship

Kitty, thanks for your comment here. --RA (talk) 08:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Help Desk request

Corrected version

I replied: how does this look? --->

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Really good. Well done. Kittybrewster ☎ 17:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Excellent - glad I could help. – ukexpat (talk) 18:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

U fixed Henry Hopwood Image

Thanks - I'm newish and didn't know how. Mark^Dask 18:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Kitty, which article? Victuallers (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

The error I think is in the image file. Reading the talk page there seems to be talk to have a whole new approach. I don't have an image editor here. I have left the file name for someone who has Paint Victuallers (talk) 16:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I have paint. Kittybrewster ☎ 16:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Ethan Russell

Hello, I am wondering if you could take a closer look at your AfD nomination, and consider either withdrawing it, or explaining your reasoning in greater detail? Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 23:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added 8 solid references to the article and rewritten it significantly. I think notability is now well-established. I've also removed spammy references from the body of the article, and will rework and trim the spammy external links in days to come. I hope you'll take another look, and comment again. Thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 04:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Cullen328 (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox & Template:Infobox country

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Ministry of silly walks

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I'm not an admin

Just noticed your comment here. Feel it's best to point out that I'm not an admin but requested moves don't have to be closed by an admin, especially when they're not contentious. That's the reason I only closed this one out of several similar requests as this was the only one that was suitably non-contentious. (Given the backlog at RM I'm stretching the non-admin closures in some cases a bit but I don't even think this one was a stretch for a non-admin). Dpmuk (talk) 21:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

George Arbuthnot Scott, again

I'll certainly have a look. I hadn't realised he was related to Elliot Tillard, who also played cricket for Somerset and doesn't yet have an article (but is on my to-do list). Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I've had a go at both George and Elliot Tillard. Johnlp (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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First class cricketer. Kittybrewster ☎ 20:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Lord Armaghdale

Armaghdale lived at a house in Sandwich Bay called The Dunes. I've found a photograph here -http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/996875 - do you know if the Creative Commons Licence allows it to be uploaded? Thanks, --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 09:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Some rights reserved. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Coworth House

I hesitate to edit pages after you and correct your errors, but I feel it needs to be made very clear that the house has not been demolished, and contrary to your edits is still very visible [8]. What has happend there is a complete redesign of the interior, however, the original external facades have been retained and are largely unchanged. However, a new 21st century roofline unites the juxtapositions created by the vaious stages of the house's 18th century evolution which were previously more apparent. The loss of the interiors is to be deplored, somehow the place has escaped listing (I would love to know how that hapened) especially as Nash was involved with the design at some stage. Anyway don't write off the recent alterations as all bad, they did included the demolition a hideous 20th century service wing built by the Americans when it was something to do with their embassy and this has restored something of the house's late 18th century appearance. Should you requite a refererence for the page (I note it currently has none) please don't hesitate to ask.  Giacomo  23:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

PS:If you want to namedrop (I see you already mention Fort Belvedere "en coincidence") you can say that Galen Weston who bought the place in the 80's lived at Fort Belvedere at the time. No ref for that though, just one of the useless pieces of information I have somehow acquired.  Giacomo  23:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much Giano. If as here I get it wrong, do please correct my error. Do please add references - particularly for 28 Park Crescent; which I thought was 26. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll leave it to you to correct, it's not really the sort of house I do. You can attribute all of the above to: Page 543, Geoffrey Tyack, Simon Bradley & Nikolaus Pevsner, Buildings of England Berkshire, 2010, Yale University Press. ISBN 978 0 300 12662 4. Pevsner (same page) suspects that Nash had a hand in the design - I'm not so sure, it's all rather heavy and laborious for Nash and one bowed facade does not a summer make. Pevsner also think Wyatt was there because of the similarities between the house and the more famous Stanstead Park which Wyatt was building at the same time for Barwell's corrupt half brother, Richard. I don't know anything about Park Crescents is there a connection?  Giacomo  13:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I wonder about the amount of responsibility that was dumped on Macfadyen, as opposed to Sir George Gough Arbuthnot. It is too easy to blame the dead. Kittybrewster ☎ 16:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Rose Leslie

It isn't a big issue and perhaps I shouldn't have corrected the entry. It depends if nationality is based on place of birth. For example, my mother was born in Cardiff with English parents but if you want to annoy her, you call her Welsh. Eric Liddle was born in China and spent almost no time in Scotland when growing up, but there would be howls of protest if he was classified as anything but Scottish. I do not know enough about Rose Leslie's parents to be sure one way or the other. I suppose someone could contact her agent, but in the meantime I am happy to leave her as Scottish. JMcC (talk) 09:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Lord Empey

Do you have a source for Sir Reg taking his seat in the Lords? I've searched, but haven't found anything to say it has happened yet. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Can you turn the red links blue on List of life peerages (2010–present) ? Kittybrewster ☎ 08:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Stellenbosch to bid for Wikimania 2012!

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Lennox Fyfe, Baron Fyfe of Fairfield

I think your recent entries for Baron Fyfe need a bit of tidying up? There are a few typos, and I do not know enough about him to clean in up myself. Shipsview (talk) 10:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Wow. Kittybrewster, could you explain why you have lifted wording verbatim from a website? Surely you're familar with WP:COPYVIO and WP:PLAGIARISM. Could you please check your other contributions for copyright violations, please? Fences&Windows 01:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

There appear to be plenty more. The first one I looked at, Stewart Wood, Baron Wood of Anfield, has copyvios from this Daily Mail article. Some explanation is needed.Griswaldo (talk) 01:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Copying within Wikipedia

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Just as an aside, I've removed the Italian Wiki link from the list of references from this article. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, I'm afraid, no matter its language, and can't be used as verification. See WP:CIRCULAR. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Dudley de Chair

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RefDesk Q on "Beckett to others"

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List of (convicted) Jewish criminals

I think the "convicted" is an important distinction and would save some bother. Bob19842 (talk) 13:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: "What is an unconvicted Jewish criminal"

I'm sure there are many suspects (as with any group) that were never convicted (see for example List of Jewish American mobsters). But it would be more tightly sourced and defensible to keep it to the convicted cases (as with any group, such List of convicted Australian criminals. Bob19842 (talk) 13:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

As noted by that one editor on the undelete request page, there's a fundamental distinction between "List of Jewish Nobel laureates" and "List of convicted Jewish criminals". Namely, that the first list is a verifiable and fixed number, whereas there are no verifiable standards for the second list, which could expand into the thousands upon thousands if you listed every Jew that's ever been convicted of anything, clear down to jaywalking. (I would say the same problem exists with the list of Aussie criminals.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

And is that a standard that is applied to all lists? Bob19842 (talk) 13:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't say, as there are many lists in wikipedia. But there's no point in introducing a new list that is almost certain to be deleted due to lack of notability and boundaries. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think that is a daft argument as jaywalking by a notable person is unlikely to be notable. If Bob's list is notable convicted murderers, sex offenders, spies and fraudsters he should be fine. Kittybrewster ☎ 13:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure that the admin Fuhghettaboutit will be impressed that you called his point "daft". In any case, who sets the standard for such a list? Is there a verifiable source? If not, then it's "original synthesis" and can't be allowed. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Another point is that we've had this discussion before, where editors tried to label public figures "Jewish comedian", "Jewish actors", and the like. You can only justifiably call someone a "Jewish comedian" if Jewishness is a significant part of his act, hence Myron Cohen was a "Jewish comedian" but Jerry Seinfeld is not. Similarly, you can only label someone a "Jewish criminal" if his being Jewish was directly connected to the crime. Like if he murdered his rabbi, or burned down his temple or something. Madoff does not qualify as a "Jewish criminal". He's a criminal who happens to be Jewish. So Bob would have to retitle his article "Convicted criminals who happen to be Jewish." Yeh, that's useful. NOT. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Your point appears contradicted by Spanish artists, List of Hindus and List of Jewish actors. Bob19842 (talk) 14:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Lose the "other stuff exists" argument already. It doesn't fly. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it does. This would be a clear example of a "double standard". Bob19842 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to nominate those articles for deletion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

No, because I think they should exist, they do exist, as should List of convicted Jewish criminals. Bob19842 (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

It would be easy to find valid sources for the topic of "Jewish actors" and "Spanish painters". What is your source for the topic of "Jewish criminals"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Multiple independent sources will be sufficient. Bob19842 (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Find even one that's usable, i.e. that isn't a hate-group source. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/madoff/20090629sentencingtranscriptcorrected.pdf Bob19842 (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

To save my having to read that megillah, tell me which page or pages it talks about Madoff being a Jewish criminal. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think we should save it for the Deletion review. NawlinWiki has apparently blocked me from his talk page so I will start a discussion there. Bob19842 (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

You got nothin'. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't see anything in either the protection log for NawlinWiki's page, nor his comments on the encyclopedia that block you from editing his page. Am I missing something? If not, would you like to retract that? Syrthiss (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I will certainly retract that if it is not true. But my edits are being denied as "unconstructive". Bob19842 (talk) 14:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh it's working now. I retract my statement that he blocked me. Bob19842 (talk) 15:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Your edits were being erroneously blocked by an edit filter designed to stop a particularly abusive vandal[10]. Knowing very little about how they work, I have no idea why the edit filter started and stopped being triggered. —DoRD (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Where's your source that defines Madoff as a "Jewish criminal"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

[11] Bob19842 (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if that would pass reliable-source muster, but it's an interesting piece. He's being labeled as a Jew who has brought shame upon Judaism. Fair enough. Now, who else are you going to put on the list, and where are the sources? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

How about the Rosenbergs? Bob19842 (talk) 18:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[12] Bob19842 (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• To my surprise, this could have been a speedy delete g4 as well - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish criminals. NawlinWiki (talk) 01:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Deja vu all over again. Any idea who created that attempted article 5 1/2 years ago? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

That seems to me to close the discussion. Kittybrewster ☎ 08:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Acually I think the arguments there have been addressed here so it would seem sensible to revisit the question and see what people think, which is reasonable after 5 years. Bob19842 (talk) 12:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

OK. Go for Deletion review. Good luck. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Already there [13] Bob19842 (talk) 12:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Murray MacLehose, Baron MacLehose of Beoch

Hi. I shall be glad if you can join the discussion of the requested move of the article title of Murray MacLehose, of which you may be interested. --Clithering (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Monckton of Brenchley

You sure? --Thepm (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Certain. Kittybrewster ☎ 08:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, but it seems a bit inflammatory. I'm assuming that you can demonstrate;

1. That Lord Monckton himself edited the page.
2. That he pretended to be someone else while he did it.

No need to respond. If you're confident you can demonstrate those two points to be true to an impartial observer, then all is good. If you'e less than 100% confident that you can demonstrate both of those two points to be true then I recommend you amend your post. best --Thepm (talk) 08:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

From memory, the IP address was found to be from the area in which his house in Scotland is. Kittybrewster ☎ 08:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

That's hardly conclusive. --Thepm (talk) 08:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

On its own, no. I am searching the history. _ Paid hack!

See the talk archives. Kittybrewster ☎ 08:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean this? It still doesn't seem very conclusive to me. The comment at the time was that "the IP address geolocates to the Glasgow area, which is of course not far from Monckton's estate." Glasgow is also home to several other people. --Thepm (talk) 08:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Bottom item. [14]. He refers to himself as "he". Kittybrewster ☎ 15:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

List of fox hunts in the United Kingdom

Hi there,

I notice you removed a couple of hunts from the list at List of fox hunts in the United Kingdom, but without explanation, and they do both appear in the sources, so I have reverted the change. If you have alterative sources which indicate the closure of these packs, would you mind sharing them on the article talk page?

Regards, OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 08:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. they are both in scotland rather than england. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, can see the duplication now, but it didn't have an edit summary, so it was hard to tell the reason. Thanks for clarifying. OwainDavies ^(about)_(talk) edited at 14:39, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of John Nelson (banker)

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Question??

Can you remember the name of a house I edited a few months ago (I think you started the page), It was able to be drastically altered into a golf club or something because it had somehow slipped through the grading and listing net - I have a feeling it was somehow connected with your Arbuthnots. I'm sure it was "something Court", but I can't find any courts in my edits. Thanks. Giacomo Returned 10:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Cowarth Park. Kittybrewster ☎ 10:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Aha yes, Coworth House so it was. Thank you, I thoght that was a very mysterious thing how that was ungraded like that and allowed to be so altered and developed. I wanted to refer to it elsewhere. Thank you. Giacomo Returned 10:33, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Paranormal places

Proposed merge of Category:Reportedly haunted locations into Category:Paranormal places. Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_April_24#Category:Reportedly_haunted_locations. Simply south...... trying to improve for 5 years 16:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Alexander Leslie-Melville, 7th Earl of Leven

You listed the move of this article at WP:RM as uncontroversial and I queried how it was uncontroversial. I realise since then that an admin you'd previously asked to make the move has made it but I would still like to know why you think this was uncontroversial and so not deserving of a full discussion. It may simply be my lack of knowledge of the subject but the online references (the only references in the article) seem to suggest they are the 9th. I've already asked the movng admin and their arguement for moving, while sensible, doesn't convince me that this was uncontroversial and so not worthy of a full discussion, hence I thought I'd ask you. Dpmuk (talk) 08:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The Alexander in question was the son of his father. To be consistent amongst the articles for his father, brother, heir, etc and the family Earl of Leven we need consistent numbering. Cracrofts is actually out of line and includes the de jure countesses as if they were Earls (very modern). Kittybrewster ☎ 08:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't realised that when Choess said consistency they meant with father's etc rather than with other cases. In that case it's at the right title for now. Still think this needs something done about it as it's potentially confusing to readers that the only references given them as the 9th. Maybe reference the offline sources that give it as 7th and then have a footnote explaing the difference? Dpmuk (talk) 09:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Happy that that be done but maybe in the talk page of Earl of Leven? The problem f..l..o..w..s. But to my mind the 9th Earl was John. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Revoke, It is in the lede under Earl of Leven. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Still think a footnote on the atual page would be useful as not everyone looking at the page and the references will look at Earl of Leven. Will add one later if I get the chance. Dpmuk (talk) 11:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I have uploaded a draft. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

thanks for cleaning up that mess, as you saw i was confused by the sources, but punted on the solution. Slowking4 (talk) 19:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Frank Mitchell (cricketer, born 1878)

Hi. I've seen you pop by WP:CRIC everynow and again enquiring about nobel cricketers, so I thought you might be able to help with this chap. Frank Mitchell was a member of the Order of the Garter, serving as secretary of it. I have no idea about that as a subject, maybe you do? Thanks. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 13:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Earl of Surrey

Thanks! Swanny18 (talk) 15:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Wink.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 13:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Superb graphics. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

What, the signature or user page design? Thanks. I tried to get the maroon and gold of the robes worn by the Tibetan monks.. The gold talk page link looks mystical and eastern so what the heck! Of course Tibet is naturally stunning anyway! Don't know about you but bright colours and stunning scenery make me function better. Just like having nice photos in articles which would otherwise by rather bland...Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 14:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Love your pictures. Never been to Tibet. i don't find your text is a good colour for my eyes. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, its probably a bit too bright and the gold not bold enough on my talk page. I'll look into something..Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 15:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Good luck. If Tibetans use luck. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:13, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled#User:Kittybrewster

This request seems to have been initiated by a bot. It'd help if you commented personally.   Will Beback  talk  05:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

What is least bother for others? Kittybrewster ☎ 10:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I suppose you could go to the listed page and say whether or not you support the bot's request. Or you could do nothing - at this point if nothing more is done the request will close without action.   Will Beback  talk  20:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi! This edit has me slightly puzzled. I see Lord McNally listed on the page you link to, but it is unclear to me what the relationship is to his biography.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 12:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

According to the person who referred me to it, it shows confused and muddled thinking on Lord McNally's part. It certainly show it on the MoJ's part but that may not be relevant. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse

Hi, I added it to the Arts and Culture section about five minutes ago. TheRetroGuy (talk) 16:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries, somebody's done it. Will also add it to 2011 in the United Kingdom. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Please add Lucien Freud, artist, to both. Kittybrewster ☎ 17:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Someone beat me to the Arts and Culture section, but I've added him to the other page. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Userfied pages

Per your email request, I have userfied the following (with the corresponding talk pages):

• User:Kittybrewster/Alexander George Arbuthnot (British army officer) (born 1873)
• User:Kittybrewster/George Alexander Arbuthnot (1830-1899)
• User:Kittybrewster/George Bingham Arbuthnot (1803-1867)
• User:Kittybrewster/William Arbuthnot (artillery officer) (died 1876)
• User:Kittybrewster/William Arbuthnot (cavalry officer) (1838-1893)
• User:Kittybrewster/Henry Thomas Arbuthnot see Familypedia

Favonian (talk) 17:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

First five have now been copied to Familypedia (as the user requested by email) with standard page names but little else changed. The sixth one is at http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_Thomas_Arbuthnot_%281834-1919%29. Robin Patterson (talk) 05:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of DrayTek Vigor 2710 Series for deletion

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Reportedly haunted locations in the United States

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Robert Arbuthnot

Hard to be sure, but I think the answer is "probably not". The claim that he had been was definitely widespread during his later life (1820s-1840s). However, it disappeared later, isn't in any of the more modern references, and isn't supported by the Waterloo-specific books - all point towards it being an early mistake. Shimgray | talk | 12:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The ODNB has the author down as Sir Alexander John Arbuthnot (1822–1907), contributor of 30 articles to the DNB (though only two on his namesakes). They're the only contributor of that name recorded.

As to where RA was in 1815, as far as I can tell he had a captaincy in the 20th Light Dragoons, and they don't seem to have been present at Waterloo - he may well have been with them at the time. Shimgray | talk | 12:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)