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The reference you gave given for a brokpa says different than your actual content

The reference says these " Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin is a group of tribes that speak the Dardic languages. It is said that the Dardic tribes are the bearers of the proto-Rigvedic language and culture; they seem to retain many of the symbols and rituals of that ancient past. Because of these ancient connections, which they have kept alive in the present, some of their villages in Ladakh have become centres of tourist attraction. In Jammu and Kashmir, these tribes are concentrated mainly in Kargil and Baramula districts. Of 51,957 persons of these tribes counted in 2001, 26,066 were in Baramula and 23,418 in Kargil. Another 1,002 Brokpas were in Leh and 1,199 in Srinagar"

The Indian government had added multiple ethic group like brokpa, shin and Dards into a one schedule tribe group . And it says that it is concentrated mainly around kargil (23,418) and baramulla (26,066) And small population in leh and Srinagar .

The resident of baramulla and kargil are shina people which has a sperate page , And the brokpa or minaro of dha hanu has only 3000 population .

If these page is about a brokpa schedule tribe then , And please delete the ethinic group and write the places of baramulla and Kashmir and also delete the picture which shows a ethic group of Brokpa (3000) population , The brokpa is a small ethic group and you are confusing people between brokpa ethinic group and brokpa, dard, shin schedule tribe as per government .

You can search various articles on internet , You would find the brokpa ethinic population is not more than 3000 Minaro123 (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin is a Schedule Tribes in India while brokpa is one of the ethinic group of these tribe

Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin is a group of tribes which comes under a one Schedule Tribes in India which are predominantly found in baramullah and minority in leh and kargil . While [[Brokpa] ethinic group is a one of the tribe in Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin ethnic group . Thebrokpa ethinic group population as per 1981 cencus is only 3000. While Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin tribes has a population of 40,000 . Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin is formed by grouping of many small ethinic group under Schedule Tribes. So there need to be a two articles , You can add the population of 40000s in Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin And 3000 in Brokpa as per 1981. The reference for 1981 cencus were in my Brokpa version . Please maintain these two page and please Minaro123 (talk) 18:13, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Brother , the population of Brokpa is incorrect

As you have stated that brokpa are found around dha, Ladakh ,hanoo ,Garkon ,Darchik which has hardly 3000 population . And it was written even in a book that i gave added as a reference that in Indian cencus have added sub ethinic group like shin and Dards in brokpa which shows that brokpa has 40 thousand population, However the population of Brokpa is only 3000 According to 1981 .. Why are you reverting back my hardwork to show the truth inspite of adding reference to prove the claim . I have added multiple topic in Brokpa section but no body replied since few months so how could I have a discussion before changing . Please check my earlier edit and please revert back to my edit Minaro123 (talk) 17:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Minaro123, I can probably fix the population issue. But you need to promise me that you will not edit the page again. Whatever changes you want, you can request on the talk page, saying "change X to Y" and provide the sources supporting the change. And, give enough time for people to understand the issue and respond. You have made too many edits there, most of which have been reverted. You are not experienced enough to deal with this topic satisfactorily. So, just stick to the talk page and let us see if it works.

And, please do not post on my talk page. All discusssion concerning the article should go on the article's talk page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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Recognizing a book

Any way to ascertain the book from the page-snaps? TrangaBellam (talk) 20:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Found it. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Geology of Mud village

Recall that you had assessed my article on Mud village. FYI, I've nominated as FP an image that highlights the unusual geological significance of Mud. --Tagooty (talk) 02:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Wow, good luck! I am watching the discussion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Shrinkhala Shaktipeeth

Hi . I am Ayantik. I need a help . Shrinkhala Devi article may be deleted. Please help to save it . Please add contents in it . Ayantik Basu (talk) 08:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ayantik Basu, I am not familiar with this topic. But you have been getting enough advice on the the talk page and the banner templates. You should follow them. In particuar, not providing reliable sources is a serious problem. Unless you are able to support your content based on reliable sources, the article will be deleted. That is Wikipedia policy. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:19, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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Inadvertent deletion?

@Kautilya3 Thanks for your good faith improvement in the article title. Your edit dif 1128002338 to Talk:Non-vegetarian food in India seem to delete part of my talk page comment subsection. Idk it's been deleted as 'no more needed' or just inadvertent deletion on your part. May be you can have look and do the needful. Thanks Bookku (talk) 04:23, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Yangtse faceoff

Have you been keeping up with it? The Telegraph recently published an exposé on it, that I wish Wikipedia could cover somewhere. Given the coverage, do you reckon it has snowballed enough to merit a Wikipedia article? MBlaze Lightning (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it has apparently to do with the Chumi Gyatse Falls. On the one hand, it is more of the same, but there are also views saying "this time is different" [1]. My own views on Twitter. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

True, there is both history and context to this: history, as you advert to in your tweets, and context being the recent and still ongoing military standoff between the two militaries. And while clashes have been somewhat a frequent affair in Yangtze, what seems to differentiate the latest iteration from the earlier instances is the underlying animus which informed the Chinese action this time: a concerted nigh battalion size bid to overrun a vantage Indian outpost manned by a platoon-size force, sensing and thereupon essaying to capitalize on the window of opportunity to reconfigure the boundary in the area to make it less disadvantageous. This was in contrast to earlier such ephemeral occurences that were often a consequence of patrols bumping into each other. Where they seem to have erred in their calculus is in underestimating that the Indian deployment in contiguous depth area could reinforce their position with the required alacrity; and also the tenacity with which the Indians would clung on to thier convenient position. I think a Wikipedia article on it wouldn't run afoul of NOTNEWS; however, I also think that much of the instructive context is missing here, and much of this could still go in an article on Yangtze, if we had one! MBlaze Lightning (talk) 12:05, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Yangtse region

Yes, an article on the recent clash would certainly be welcome. Please get started. Perhaps call it "2022 Yangtse clash". Please make sure to spell it with "s" instead of "z". The latter is a Chinese spelling. We prefer local languages if at all possible. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

According to one theory, this peak was their objective! It dominates the entire area that the Indian military calls the "Yangtse plateau". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Here is a map for you. I have marked several peaks that could have been potential targets, but only the rightmost peak is above 17,000 ft. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds good. The map helps, for the clash does seem to have taken place at some 5200m peak in the vicinity of the Chumi Gyatse Falls landmark. Will commence work (re the article) when time permits today, and move it to mainspace in a day or two. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 09:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

The OSINTers believe the clash was at the pass marked as Thang La on Google Maps. It is directly in line between the Tangwu village and the peak that I called the "objective". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:46, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Teach

Na tasya pratima asti

Yajurved (Chap no. 32/Verse no. 2) Ajrun Amir'za-da (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry, but my Sanskrit is a bit rusty.

If you are asking me about the "regent" issue at Mirza Haidar Dughlat, a regent is some one who rules on behalf of a monarch, either because the monarch is a minor child or incapacitated in some way. It looks like Haidar should be tagged as an "officeholder", not a "prince". He was never a ruler nor meant to be one. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

First of all nice to meet you, Well Infobox types are option or choice it Doesn't saw any Regencies boxes if anyone can edits then it will changing but still it’s your way of thinking and Mirza Muhammad Haider Dughlat he belonging to the Dughlat which is Borjigid Dynasty sub-branches but after Genghisids claim only succession in laws they put down in Noble ranks as Barlas Dynasty but still there equally Borjigid bloodline they can claim ancestrical kingships and succeeded but it’s not possible in Direct descent lineages. Ajrun Amir'za-da (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

They can claim whatever they want to claim, but we depend on how reliable sources describe them. Doing anything else is considered WP:Original research and it is prohibited on Wikipedia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:17, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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Request:Stop changing in articles until the decision is sorted out

It's my request that Please refrain yourself from making your personal edit in the topic related to Brokpa people during these controversial Aryan valley decision is going on whether to delete it or keep it , example like deleting Aryan valley region and adding lower Indus valley in Brokskat page ,until the decision of Aryan valley has come out . It is under the current discussion and adminstration is looking after it . Before change please have a opinion from native of these places who have a deep knowledge on these subject and he/she coild help you to find the reliable source and identity the minor mistake . For example:I am a native of these places and we can have a collaboration in term of discuss m it will be a resources to make wikepedia a factual, reliable encyclopedia . Please have a collaboration with others like discussion Thank you Minaro123 (talk) 11:19, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/2022 Yangtse clash. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 12:25, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi MBlaze, thanks for creating the page. Well done! I have removed my name from the nomination however, since it was almost entirely your work. (I also intensely dislike the DYK process and rarely participate in it.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kautilya3, no worries, I will respect your wish, though I do wish to observe that your contributions were befitting of a co-nomination. You provided valuable assistance on several occasions with this article in the form of map and other resources, content-related suggestions, proofreading and improvements to the text, which were enriching. So thank you for that. And keep it coming. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 13:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Kautilya3!

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Thank you Abishe. Happy New Year to you as well! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Warning, talked to you about this before

I noticed that a message you recently left to Minaro123 may have been unduly harsh. Please remember not to bite the newcomers. If you see others making a common mistake, consider politely pointing out what they did wrong and showing them how to correct it. It takes more time, but it helps us retain new editors. Thank you.

You also appear to be not only dismissive but mistaken in much of what you tell him. I suggest in particular that you review the meaning of OR, since you seem to use the term a lot, while yourself engaging in the practice Elinruby (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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Please stop edit warring

I note that within an hour of your AfD nomination being closed as "keep" you made massive changes to the article you described as "infested" to bring it into line with your contention that Aryan valley is not "really" a place, without reference to the extensive discussions on the talk page, and without deigning to open a discussion on the talk page yourself.

In particular I note the following problems:

• You do not appear to understand the meaning of "neologism".
• You do not appear to have actually read the article, and are still out to refute the Aryan invasion theory, which is not a part of the article
• You misleadingly said in the AFD that there was no clear location for Aryan Valley, whereas it was in the article in several places and sourced.
• You have repeatedly bitten a brand new editor, Minaro123 (talk · contribs)
• You are insisting on using a generic name, Brokpa, which is thought to be derogatory, and which you yourself in your article on Bropka say refers to multiple groups.
• Your "sources" for neologism do not contain the word neologism, as explained in my edit removing the error.
• Given that your modus operandi with this new editor has been to cite unexplained acronyms, it isn't clear to me that you should be patrolling new pages.
• In particular you misused the term OR on Bropka, when you reverted statements sourced to Al-Jazeera, which is emphatically not OR.
• You deleted a mention of a historic term for the head of the valley with the rationale that it did not contain the term "Aryan valley", despite the fact that the name change is recent and the source predates it.

I am still researching the restrictions on these DS pages, but your attempt to own the one and introduce massive changes and errors of fact into the other would seem to violate their intent at a minimum. I urge you to step away from the subject, which you cannot seem to edit objectively, or at a minimum take a deep breath and consider your behaviour. You are complaining on a lack of discussion on the talk page, when discussion exists, and when you yourself have not bothered to discuss, presumably because you are convinced of the correctness of your thinking. Elinruby (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

• Elinruby, you have provided no evidence that I "edit warred". If you have evidence, I suggest you take it to WP:AN3 and stop threatening me on my talk page.
• I don't particularly care for your long list of complaints with absolutely no evidence or diffs. I am beginning to see your conduct as bullying. Please stop it. All content-related discussion belongs on the article talk page, not here.
• I should remind you that I have asked you twice yesterday (22:45, 1 January 2023, 23:59, 1 January 2023)

"Do you disagree that it is a neologism? If so, please explain why.".

Pinged you both the times. You have completely ignored the question, and went ahead to remove the term from the article (12:08, 2 January 2023). "You do not appear to understand the meaning of "neologism"" is wooly nonsense. Did you even bother to look up a dictionary what the term means? The Oxford English Dictionary gives the meaning:

A word or phrase which is new to the language; one which is newly coined.

which is exactly the case here. Citations have been provided demonstrating that the term got coined after 2010, for a location that has been around for probably a thousand years. You need to engage on the talk page in good faith and work towards a WP:CONSENSUS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

1) show me where it includes a government renaming a location 2) most definitions do not include "phrase".

Nor do your citations use the word, which you were telling Minaro123 (talk · contribs) was a requirement. You do realize that the rules apply to you as well, don't you? I am trying to avoid having to ask for a topic ban. Do you dispute any of these points? I assure you, I will provide the diffs if I have to make this official. And I scoff at your contention that I am the bully in this story. What would really help me us an explanation of why you are going to such extraordinary lengths to silence a new editor. Why do you think that is needed? I will, in the spirit of collaboration overlook your description of my writing as "infested", since I am fairly certain that you didn't read it.Elinruby (talk)

(talk page watcher)Please go ahead and make the request for TBan. For someone whose greatest works include Cinema of Africa, you posture a lot. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Snort. Is that supposed to be an insult? Let's not even mention that it is also wrong; that's a given for you, isn't it? But supposing it were true... What is your issue with Cinema of Africa as a topic area? I ask out of curiosity, as you are surely aware that it isn't required to ask your permission to exist. Or are you? You certainly seem to think this of the Minaro.Elinruby (talk) 17:05, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Why will I have an issue with the topic area? I wrote Cinema of Turkmenistan among others. My only issue is with your incompetent (and inaccurate) writing of such an intriguing topic. And, then featuring it in your u/p as .... Well, we are digressing; feel free to have the last word. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

really. Apparently you are looking at the article. What part of it do you think I wrote? <G> You make me laugh. Try again. If that was supposed to be an insult, it was ridiculous. <G> My last word is: You know nothing, Jon Snow. Elinruby (talk) 00:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year

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Hello Kautilya3: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, LukeEmily (talk) 19:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you, LukeEmily. Happy New Year to you too! I love your snow man :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Gulab Singh: Raja of Jammu

Dear Kautilya3, Thank you for leaving message on my profile. I am grateful that you are actively watching the historical pages and confirming it with the quoted sources. As you have rightly noted about the changes I made in the article about Maharaja Gulab Singh. There was a deliberate mistake being made by some people regarding the tribe of one of the rebel leaders i.e. Shams Khan. I, being a student of history, researched this and after viewing neutral and verified sources concluded that Shams Khan indeed belonged to the Sudhan tribe and he was headman of the Sudhan tribe. The sources you see now at the article were placed there by me. However, some sources have been removed by some editor. As I am unaware in how to add the source as per the criteria of the Wikipedia, I am sharing the sources with your good self for your perusal and verification.

1. Intelligence From Kashmir, 30 August 1837, For. Pol. 20 Oct. 1837, No. 62.

2. Journal of The Asiatic Society of Bengal, Vol-X, Part I, January To June, 1841. - Alexander Cunningham (Pages 105-115) (Specific Page 112)

3. The Reigning Family of Lahore (1847) - G. C. Smyth (Pages 205 - 212)

4. Four Reports Made During The Years (1862 - 1865), Volume 2 - Alexander Cunningham (Page 13)

5. The Punjab Chiefs - Lepel Griffin (1865) - (Pages 594 - 595)

6. Gulab Singh of Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir 1792 - 1846 (1966) - Satinder Singh Bawa (Page 28)

7. History of the Sikhs: Sikh Lion of Lahore, Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1991) Volume 5 - Hari Ram Gupta (Pages 135 and 194)

8. History of J & K Rifles (1820-1956) (1988) - Dr. K. Brahma Singh (Page 28)

9. Gulabnama by Diwan Kirpa Ram (1876) - Translation by Sukhdev Singh Charak (1977)

10. History of Jammu and Kashmir State (1980) - M. L. Kapur (Page 51)

11. Poonch: India's Invincible Citadel (2022) - Brig. J. S. Grewal (Pages 91 - 98) Judgeonline (talk) 14:03, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Gulab Singh

Hounding Minaro123

1 - Since you were involved. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I mentioned you at ANI

The context was a complaint by someone else about Trangabellam. The content was your actions at the AfD for Aryan Valley, and those of you and TB at the AfD for Dah Hanu, as a parallel to what the other editor was alleging. I am required to notify you even though you are peripheral to *that* complaint, and am hereby doing so. Elinruby (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see that TB does in fact know what was up with that ;) It makes me a little sorry I apologized, but eh. It was an error of fact that needed to be corrected Elinruby (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Need a help to tell my contribution on Brokpa page and it's related region

Dear kautilya3, Have a look at these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, It would be kind if you could tell the contribution made by me on Brokpa page , Some role are: The population was wrong, However i initiated the discussion and corrected the Brokpa population . And second thing I added the Dah hanu region of being independent cited by Rohit vohra first and how i helped to help Aryan valley from deleting . And my contribution on Dah page etc. Thank you Minaro123 (talk) 20:30, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Minaro123, I am sorry that I can't help much because I too feel the same way as TrangaBellam and Joshua Jonathan. We have had to spend way too much time in trying to settle issues with you. After you fought tooth and nail for the Aryan Valley page to be retained, and after TB and JJ have spent significant amounts of time in bringing that page into a reasonable shape, now you are saying that it should be deleted and made into a redirect! How can a page dealing with a larger region (4 villages) be covered in a page dealing with a smaller region (2 villages)? You have made a complete about-turn from all the positions you have taken previoiusly! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Dear Kautilya3:

After i read more book ,I got to know that dha hanu region is used by various book and sources. And second thing: There should have a two page one is : Dah hanu region and another is Dha hanu village , The Dha hanu village is a twin village in Ladakh that is Dha and hanu and later one is a region associated with it as mentioned by many sources. It up to you whether you would like to help me or not . Anyway thanks for replying. Minaro123 (talk) 21:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding "History Of Azad Kashmir" Page

Hello, Thanks for comment on my edit, I just had few questions in my mind. You said that wikipedia edit needs to be neutral, but then why is there a wikipedia page named "History of Azad Kashmir" in the first place . Is it a neutral stand to call it by the name only recognised by Pakistan ? Why there no mention of the name "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (POK), as mentioned to as by India ? How can you be sure it is the history of Azad Kashmir and not POK ? And POINT BE NOTED is that there is no page by the name of " PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR" in Wikipedia.

Thank You SatyaAmarRahe (talk) 13:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say "neutral". I said neutral point of view, which is a non-negotiable policy of Wikipedia. Please read that page thoroughly to understand what it means. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

T/p banners

Can you slap the required banners at the talk-pages of Niranjan Das (Dewan), Jai Singh Fani, and Gajin­der Singh Safri? TIA, TrangaBellam (talk) 18:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

CT alerts

Hi, I've just changed one of yours to a new editor as it wasn't the "first" alert required. It was the one you give people who have been given an awareness alert previously. Doug Weller talk 08:30, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Jonaraja

This was intended for me; I (probably) felt asleep while drafting the article and for hours, it was in a state that did not make much sense. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

;-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

By the way, is it correct to call Rinchan a "Muslim ruler" as if it is a type of ruler? Did he actually use the title of "Sultan"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I am certain that he did designated him as a Sultan, after conversion, at the very least. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Please avoid misleading edit summaries

[2] is not a "correction". Possibly the text you added is correct (haven't yet tried to verify) but it also removed a cn tag without providing a reference Elinruby (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Glad to hear that you haven't tried to verify it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Clearly you haven't read WP:BURDEN yet if you think that you are scoring some sort of point with that remark. Here, right now, I am only taking issue with the misleading edit summary. I haven't said that I won't try to verify, since we are here, and I have tagged some work for myself. However I am doing this on a mobile and between other tasks at the moment so I am not currently available to check sources. *You* just need to concentrate on avoiding misleading edit summaries without casting unwarranted aspersions. Elinruby (talk) 21:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

What does 'center point of a river' mean? An image pops-up in my mind of a river situated in the middle of a river... And maybe you can explain why you think that this edit-summary is misleading, instead of patronalizing Kautilya3. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: I don't know, what does it mean? Click the history icon, then ask the person who wrote it, yawn. Are you seriously asking me what's misleading about that summary? Please read my original post, which explains this. I mean, I'm trying hard to take that question seriously, honest, but you make it hard for a good-faith editor to do that. Oh, and I don't watch this page, and don't want to, so if it isn't too patronizing, I'd like to suggest you ping me the next time you ask me a question. Meanwhile, you're picking a fight that doesn't need to be picked, on very shaky grounds. If Kautilya3 wants to address my tagging, they are welcome to do so. Or not. Elinruby (talk) 09:12, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Elinruby: yes, I am asking what's misleading about that edit-summary, and no, your original post does not explain this, nor does your repsonse. So, why do you think that "correction" is not the right description of the correction that Kautilya3 made? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have the skills to find from the history icon, who wrote what. I had to do a search.

But it is not the verbal gimmicry that was wrong about the sentence, rather the substance. Kargil is not at the "centre" of the Suru Valley. It is at its tail end. And its importance is not due to dominating the Suru Valley, which it never did. Rather it is due to its central position in the trade route. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

mmm mmm mmm I don't think I am able to explain Possibly the text you added is correct (haven't yet tried to verify) but it also removed a cn tag without providing a reference any more clearly without diagramming the sentence for you. Deep breath. Let's try this: removing unclear text and replacing it with a different statement is not a "correction" whether or not the new text is correct. More to the point, as I have already said several times, the real issue, which was resolved hours before this pointless bit of sophistry began, is that you don't remove maintenance tags without addressing them. Over and out. Elinruby (talk) 11:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I understand perfectly that this is a tick-boxing exercise. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Box ticking (?) Please do not remove maintenance tags without addressing them. That is all. Elinruby (talk) 18:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Stop changing the position of my comments

It was me who opened the talk page section first. You should not try to change the position of my comment (which you have done twice now). Please stop that or I will complain you to an admin. You are not supposed to edit comments of others. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 02:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Roman Reigns Fanboy, you are thoroughly mistaken. Please check the time stamps of my and your messages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I see, I assumed mine was first. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 02:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. I reverted your edits with a pointer to the policy (WP:UNDUE) and wrote a detailed explanation on the talk page. And I pinged you as well! I went by the book, Mister. You have no cause for complaint. Welcome to Kashmir pages! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I know that having a large amount of content reverted can be quite upsetting. But that is always a professional hazard with Wikipedia editing. It can't be avoided. I suggest that you take a deep breath, and do some more homework, like, for example look at WP:TERTIARY sources and see how they deal with the issue. Here are a couple of good ones.

* Schofield, Victoria (2021) [first published in 2000], Kashmir in Conflict: India, Pakistan and the Unending War (Updated ed.), I.B.Tauris, ISBN 978-0-7556-0718-1

* Hussain, Shahla (2021), Kashmir in the Aftermath of the Partition, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 9781108901130

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Saraz: question, if you know

Is there really.a place called Bhangra in Saraz? The list of localities is duplicated within the article, except that Bhangra is only on one list. Google only knows about the performance arts meanings. And of course both lists are completely uncited.

If you don't know, no worries; I realize this is a random question. I am going to make the call for now that in this case it would be better to be wrong by omission than to perpetuate a joke, if that is what this is. Asking you in particular because we've spoken about areas that are (vaguely) nearby and maybe you can confirm my thinking (?) Don't spend more time on this than you want to. Elinruby (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Elinruby, I didn't know, but I got curious. After some searching, I found a vague reference to a "Bangra" village in "Gandoh" panchayat of the Doda district. But it is not mentioned in the District Census Handbook. So I think it is fine to get rid of it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. Elinruby (talk) 10:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Forced and so on

Its strange how you insist to include "forced" onto the Khanat of Kalat article but when annexation question comes to the Hyderabad state you wish to remove it as you know very well the annexation of Hyderabad was a military operation and led to the death of many thousands which involves the use of force the Taylor reference even mentions the Nizam being forced on page 9 through military intervention I am not sure why you insist on ignoring what quite clearly was a forced annexation even the biased Taylor source states it. DavosBarton (talk) 21:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Please go to Talk:Hyderabad State, present your sources and discuss it. Avoid WP:OR and WP:FORUMy debates. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore the previous editors regents park also had no issue with the statement and thus status quo and consensus are just red herrings you just do not like the word "forced" being used however when it comes to Khanat of Kala you are quick to add it I suggest you drop the subcontinental grudges and help Wikipedia in becoming a reliable source not one which favours a Indian narrative.DavosBarton (talk) 21:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Please read the policies in my welcome message on your talk page, especially the "Five pillars" page and the linked policies. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I am not trying to edit war or break policy but you know very well my edit is logical and was not discarded by previous editors I believe for you need to look at this in a neutral manner it will improve the neutrality of the article overall otherwise tags will be needed to inform readers that certain bits of information is missing or intentionally censored. DavosBarton (talk) 21:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to publish your or anybody else's personal views. It is supposed to summarise reliable sources with due WP:WEIGHT. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I am glad you pointed that out so the views of Sherman Taylor must be summarised and not cherry picked to suit a certain point of view in regards to WP:WEIGHT which i just read equal weight should be given to all statements of a source not just the ones you may prefer over another. DavosBarton (talk) 21:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

On another note seems like you still have not provided a "better source" on the Khanate of Kalat article Rita and Kumar Bose based in Delhi....clearly biased and will push a very skewed view its like adding Pakistani sources to the Hyderabad article which maybe is a good idea? Ok quote from the source you found "Seven months later, on 27 March 1948, Kalat acceded to Pakistan. Whether it was a willing accession or a coerced one is a disputed matter, with pro-state historians arguing that the Khan willingly made the decision to accede, and nationalist scholars maintaining that Balochistan was annexed" Seems like the source you added itself is not entirely supportive of annexation maybe this should be clarified? DavosBarton (talk) 22:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Sources referring to Indias military invasion as annexation

I am not very good at adding books as references so here is a list of a few books which indeed refer to Indias invasion as a Annexation [3] I have posted some others in the talk page chat just so you know I understand that people use Wikipedia as a battle ground and abuse its open source structure to push biased and cherry picked opinions based on their nationalist tendencies but we must not allow ourself to ignore facts and reliable sources just because it goes against our view of events it was clearly a forced annexation and I have not used Pakistani sources (like you used Indian sources) to prove a point we must learn to use wikipedia to better the worlds knowledge and not to mislead and blind them to the truth you are better than this do better. DavosBarton (talk) 22:49, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Timur

To quote from our article:

The Malfuzat-i Timurī and the appended Tuzūk-i Tīmūrī, supposedly Timur's own autobiography, are almost certainly 17th-century fabrications. The scholar Abu Taleb Hosayni presented the texts to the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan, a distant descendant of Timur, in 1637–1638, supposedly after discovering the Chagatai language originals in the library of a Yemeni ruler. Due to the distance between Yemen and Timur's base in Transoxiana and the lack of any other evidence of the originals, most historians consider the story highly implausible, and suspect Hosayni of inventing both the text and its origin story.

For more, consult:

• Csiky, Gergely (2006). "THE "TUZŪKĀT-I TĪMŪRĪ" AS A SOURCE FOR MILITARY HISTORY". Acta Orientalia Academiae Scientiarum Hungaricae. 59 (4): 439–491. ISSN 0001-6446.
• Woods, John E. (1987). "The Rise of Tīmūrid Historiography". Journal of Near Eastern Studies. 46 (2): 106. ISSN 0022-2968.

As far as I know, no serious Timurid historian considers Malfuzat-i Timurī as a historically reliable work and this appalably roughshod approach with sources exemplify what is wrong with Wink's broadbrush histories. Even Irfan Habib — who, as is the norm, argues for a less radical approach (c.f. his review on Manan Asif's reading of Chachnama) — concedes that the manuscripts need to be subject to careful scrutiny. This can actually be the topic of a new article! TrangaBellam (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

A recent analysis which compares the text from many manuscripts with a range of contemporary sources and conclude that the text was fabricated. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wow! Yes, a Wikipage on it would be worth it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding infobox image to the article covering the Dogra-Tibetan War

Hello! I would value your opinion regarding my proposed infobox image on the article, please see: Talk:Dogra–Tibetan War#Adding a depiction of Zorawar Singh's army in Ladakh (not sure if I am doing this correctly, I haven't started a consensus building query on Wikipedia before) ThethPunjabi (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

British Raj

I removed the quote from Jawrahal nal Nehru because I have a refrence which proves its wrong

https://scroll.in/article/1032790/a-data-scientist-shows-how-south-india-is-outperforming-the-rest-of-the-country-in-almost-all-fields

This shows that post Independence West Bengal was one of the richest Indian states per capita despite being part of the Raj for the longest period of time Crainsaw (talk) 08:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

How about East Bengal? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:22, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Back then West- and East Bengal were combined into the Bengal presidency Crainsaw (talk) 13:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, so my question is why you are singling out West Bengal and citing it as counterevidence, when positiv evidence was right next door? Anyway, all this is WP:OR. Nehru was a pre-eminent leader of the independence movement and his views are notable enough to be included. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Where is the positive evidence which shows that the states occupied longest by the British were the poorest? And this isn't original research, this was published by a trustworthy news site, which is an excerpt from the book 'South vs North: India’s Great Divide' which is a reliable source. And the way that the quote was written and presented violates WP:SELFSOURCE because it was presented as a fact even when it was a false statement Crainsaw (talk) 13:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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. His skull burst up being hit with a tear gas shell.

why did you think the article should have this line in it?. "His skull burst up being hit with a tear gas shell" it is awful English and it makes no sense. revert me again and we will fall out Doktordoris (talk) 00:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Misleading edit summary

Please do understand what Neutral point of view means before adding it to edit summaries [4] it means including all view points not just the one you like Amirali, Alia (2015), "Balochistan: A Case Study of Pakistan's Peacemaking Praxis (Volume III) this source very clearly needs to be expanded and its information included otherwise Salman Rafi must be removed censoring is not acceptable. 2A02:C7C:6782:7A00:A981:D590:5F91:AE83 (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Khanate of Kalat

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Azad Kashmir

How is "Azad" (Free) Kashmir a neutral term? It is a political and divisive term used by radicals who want to remove all Hindus from Kashmir and make it part of an Islamic state.

Just because the Islamic Republic of Pakistan calls it Azad, it is not free in reality. There was no plebiscite held there and it was occupied by Pashtun Tribesmen supported by the Pakistani military after eliminating most of the native Kashmiris (especially Sikhs & Hindus)

If wikipedia wants to be neutral, you should call it "Pakistan Administered Kashmir". This reflects the reality without intending the hatred and divisiveness carried in the word Azad (free of minority Hindus & Sikhs) Sumukhs2013 (talk) 09:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

The "Pakisa Adminitered Kashmir" is divided into two (de facto) provinces: "Azad Kashmir" and "Gilgit-Baltistan". These are their official names of those units as well as names used by the majority of WP:THIRDPARTY reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh right, yeah

Adding WikiProjects is tendentious, but deleting them isn't, and when you don't get your way, you add level 3 warnings to people's talk pages? I'm not going to discuss that issue, because frankly, life's too short to engage with fuckwittery. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:31, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for accepting my extended-confirmed edit request and maintaining Neutral point of view on the article of Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks RamaKrishnaHare. Noticed that you just got extended-confirmed yourself. Keep up the good work! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Forcing Right-Wing/Nationalistic perspectives on poltiics

You have been warned. Please do not repeat such behaviour.

> If such behaviour is continued, you may lose editing access and/or privilleges. (I am not associated with Wikipedia in any way, shape, or form. This is not an official warning) Cement Licker (talk) 09:57, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) ? TrangaBellam (talk) 12:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Rhetoric? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Deep Sidhu

This individual is has also been doing the same on edits I have made and pushing a one side agenda, larping as a victim of "Neutral Point of View". I will also be raising his account at a higher level. Constant Unfair and Bias Narratives being pushed by this user. He's been stalking every edit I also make and I've had enough of this nonsense. Jattlife121 (talk) 01:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Jattlie121, You should not be putting "Neutral Point of View" in quote marks because WP:NPOV is a non-negotiable core policy of Wikipedia. If you haven't read that page yet, you should do so urgently. Failure to follow WP:NPOV or failure to understand it when it is pointed out can get you sanctioned. You have been already notified about WP:Discretionary sanctions applicable to contentious topics. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Komati Page

Hi Kautilya, a user has been adding content at Komati page that is not supported by his source. I have explained that to him several times but he still continues to add it. Can you please look at that article. Thanks Sharkslayer87 (talk) 14:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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Please stop

I have noticed you like adding the "controlled" term to Pakistani areas of Kashmir considering India has hundreds of thousands of soldiers controlling its part of Kashmir then its only fair to add controlled to areas under Indias military control otherwise remove from both you can't have double standards. 2A02:C7C:6782:7A00:B862:2D49:E174:BCC (talk) 09:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

We also say "Indian-controlled" when the context makes it necessary. "Controlled" and "Administered" are not WP:POV terms. Only "Occupied" is. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay I understand but the term should be applied equally ? why only reserve it for one territory. 2A02:C7C:6782:7A00:65C4:3792:6CF6:5071 (talk) 09:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

It is used when context warrants it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Assistance to review article

Can you please take sometime to review article Cis-Sutlej states? Cis-Sutlej states article was previously mostly false where the sources did not even support the sentences in the article. So I studied the existing sources on the article and added additional reliable sources and made considerable change to make the article more reliable and accurate and made the source templates more informative with page numbers and so on for anyone to verify. You can see my version of article here [5]. But all my changes were reverted to previous version by user CrashLandingNew, atleast 4 times. I had already initiated a discussion on the article's talk page but to no common ground. Can you please review my version of the change and the change that currently exist and make a judgement and changes as you seem appropriate? I haven't received much feed back from anyone to review the page for verification. If you need any information from me related to article or any source, I would be happy to share but all sources with page numbers can also be seen on my version of the article. Javerine (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

History of Azad Kashmir

Wikipedia is crap or what ? Is it a leftist portal where the a only a certain section decides how articles should be written ? The article was ORIGINALLY written like what I edit it as. Is wikipedia whitewashing facts or what ? In no way my edit violates or not in accordance to wikipedia policy l. It is a disputed area, if wikipedia is neutral then it should mention it as well. I am reverting it back. Please refrain from ideological edits. Maintain a neutral stance and mention facts as it should be in a encyclopedia. Thanks SatyaAmarRahe (talk) 09:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

SatyaAmarRahe, I suggest you withdraw that comment before Bishonen sees it.

You should also learn to read edit summaries. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing tiny section headers

Hi, I noticed that you've removed section headers from Ram Navami Riots page. I just want to know the reason behind it, why is it incorrect? Quabizabdul (talk) 17:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Quabizabdul, it is normal writing practice that sections are made for reasonable-sized chunks of text, not for one or two sentences. If any particular incident is expanded, a subsection can be made for it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response Quabizabdul (talk) 18:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The foot

	The foot
	It's sometimes handy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Btw, viewership is spiking a little [6], probably not just editors. More media coverage soon, perhaps? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, Sri Ram Navami time. [7] -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Huh, so it is. WP, you always learn something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean that the Ram Bhakts are reading that page! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:35, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I have an uneasy feeling that in this context, Takbir will become the target of "retaliatory" editing sooner or later. The latest one has gone unnoticed since Jan 2023. –Austronesier (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Context of previous discussion

I pinged you for requesting inputs @ Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Legal#Attention to updating of MOS guidelines since I remembered discussion @ Talk:2022 Karnataka hijab row/Archive 3#The High Court proceedings

• (and not Talk:Rahul Gandhi - there I made a mention since editors seemed unaware of MOS:LEGAL guideline -personally I find that guideline sensible and helpful enough - the rest I am not keen on getting involved in content disputes @ Talk:Rahul Gandhi )

Bookku (talk) 05:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Bookku, yes, I saw that you pinged me from the MOS talk page, and I have been monitoring it. MOS is only a guide to the writing style, it is not for creating policy. For creating policy regarding RS, probably the best place to start is WP:RSN.

You want to make proposals for what kind of sources should be used for legal subjects etc., for which I don't have much of an opinion to offer.

Regading the issue of legal sources versus general/political sources, I think topics such as the Rahul Gandhi case right now, or the Shah Bano case ages ago, have both legal and political strands. And both kinds of sources may be necessary. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your above inputs.

As such I started discussion @ MOS/legal since it already contained a guide line. For discussion on legal aspects it's usually beneficial if one is already informed or exposed to legal terminologies. But you do have a point that RSN should get involved and may be after having initial discussions @ MOS/legal we can take RFC to RSN general audience whether that would be ok or that shall have a constraint of avoid forum shop? Bookku (talk) 10:29, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Minor point

Hey, this edit confused the sources a little. The 2002 part of that statement wasn't Matusitz. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

With the 'initial few years' phrasing, it's a little confusing - initial few years from when? Iskandar323 (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate: Covert Action and Internal Operations

Heya, any interest in writing an article on the book? I found a few reviews altho I only have access to 2, 3 and 5.

References

— DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. The thought never occurred to me. If only the Modi Sarkar gives us any respite. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't jinx it, damn you (looks aggressively biting nails for latest sarkari khabar) — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

DaxServer, accepting responsibility for this :-( -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Sigh.. it's just a couple of days into the month... 😵‍💫 Someone's in a hurry. 12 more months, eh? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 22:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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Biased Topic headings

I was wondering what the justification for reverting the recent edit FROM "Controversies" which is neutral TO the decidedly non-neutral "Attacks on academic freedom" on the Hindu American Foundation Wiki page. Clearly, the organization (for whom the page was created) do not view their efforts as "attacking" academic freedom and a more balanced and nuanced appraisal would seem more aligned with Wiki's attempt at neutrality. 2A0D:6FC2:45B0:F200:B4D2:AC86:D7C2:686D (talk) 18:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Section titles like "Controversies" are not welcomed on Wikipedia (even though I admit that many low-traffic pages have them.) See WP:CRIT.

What the "organisation" thinks about any of this entirely irrelevant because Wikipedia is written based on WP:THIRDPARTY reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

clearly my point is not what the organization thinks, it is that "attacks" in a section heading represents a very clear POV while supporters of the organization have a strong counter point of view also supported by third party reliable sources and that Wiki headings should aim for neutrality and that the items under the heading should either be under the existing Activism heading (which is neutral) or the first two items can be under a Litigation heading which is also neutral and doesn't express a particular ideological viewpoint 2A0D:6FC2:45B0:F200:B4D2:AC86:D7C2:686D (talk) 13:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Labh Singh

Hello. I am wondering why you removed my changes from the Labh Singh article. You said the source is unreliable but I am wondering what makes it unreliable?

Regards CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 20:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi CanadianSingh1469, sorry for the delay. Please read carefully WP:SOURCETYPES and WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. In contentious subjects, the standards tend to be higher than normal. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I don’t know if the article would he considered contentious, but it still seems the source is reliable. CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 15:25, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@Kautilya3 I think the source meets the standards. Could you please tell me a reason for why the source may not meet the standards. CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't know. You need to tell us who the author and publisher are, and what credentials they have for being reliable. It is best done on the article talk page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:37, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to linke WP:SOURCEDEF in my previous message, not SOURCETYPES. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Having read through I still think the source I used is reliable and should be used. CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 17:18, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The policy states These qualifications should be demonstrable to other people. So, please open a thread on the talk page with your evidence. We may need to invite WP:RSN to take a look at too. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 17:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@Kautilya3 I have added a discussed at the Talk:Labh Singh page. CanadianSingh1469 (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Can you review these articles

I appreciate your interest in Indian history and your positive input about the article on the Turquoise throne. In your free time can you review these articles created and edited by me? They are Yanaon, Rajamundry Sarkar, and Sawanih-i-Deccan. Thank you, Kautilya. Bsskchaitanya (talk) 12:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, interesting subjects! I will look at them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

What to do?

Someone with a bunch of IP (1st, 2, 3) has cropped up out of the woodworks with a bone to pick with me. Multiple instances of incompetent editing on several pages with the specific purpose of ‘righting the wrongs’ they claim are being done by me (e.g. see the edit histories of this and this; here they add a bunch of stuff blatantly copied from multiple different wikipedia pages that deal with general violence instead of the specific one the article is about). Also on more than one occasion they have tried to accuse me of serious misconduct in completely unrelated talk pages (1 (striken off and added later) my bad, I meant this :1, 2). Any idea what recourse is available to me, if any? UnpetitproleX (talk) 10:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

You could have just addressed me directly instead of attempting to get support here I have no bone to pick with you but I know biased editing when I see it. Also you are after all the person who wanted to white wash and hide the Amritsar Massacre of Muslims by trying to delete it so I am aware that you come here with a clear Anti Muslim bias as we have seen on multiple articles like Dhaka where you bulldozed your way in with pov materials. I have removed unrelated general violence in the main article here [8] and no it was not copied from multiple different wikipedia pages thats another lie. Also your bias was clear when you tried to push the idea that violence against women started in Rawalpindi and added it to the lead of the article while sources which are reliable state it happened before you also made it clear that specifically Punjab more Muslims were abducted when thats clearly original research and not in the source further to this I wrote the same for Rawalpindi as a result. You then falsely accused me of using unreliable sources when the sources I have used are already present in the main article I just moved them around to more appropriate sections as it is clear you are trying to downplay the murder of Muslims and over emphasis the loss of Sikhs and Hindus like you did when attempting to delete Amritsar Massacre. I will not keep engaging in edit wars with you but bare in mind your actions have been noted to be biased and you will keep getting yourself into problems if you continue with your clearly one sided eits. 2A02:C7C:6782:7A00:8CF:CAB1:C2D1:B44E (talk) 10:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Heres another example of the severely skewed and distorted edits made on that article "Violence was also perpetrated on an organized basis, with Pathans taking Hindu and Sikh women from refugee trains while one accused that he witnessed armed Sikhs periodically dragging Muslim women" what do you mean "accussed" the full sentence from Scholar Major Andrews stated this "Violence was also perpetrated on an organized basis, with Pathans taking Hindu and Sikh women from refugee trains while one observer witnessed armed Sikhs periodically dragging Muslim women from their refugee column and killing any men who resisted, while the military sepoys guarding the columns did nothing." So in the led this full sentence was cut and shamelessly distorted to down play the action of Sikhs and over exaggerate what Muslim Pathans did...this is the type of editing synonymous with the toxic religious nationalism prevalent in India today. 2A02:C7C:6782:7A00:8CF:CAB1:C2D1:B44E (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Also I dont have a bunch of ips it randomly hops throughout the day or when power is turned off I still only edit the same pages with them prime example this one 149.241.164.170 (talk) 11:08, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, I am unable to help you since your IP addesses jumps around and you do not have a stable user talk page, where you can be informed about Wikipedia policies and your editing history recorded/monitored. I suggest that you create a user account. It is free and harmless, and you don't need to reveal any personal informatioin in order to do so.

UnpetitproleX's complaint is valid because article talk pages are meant for discussing the content of that page only. You cannot randomly interject topical discussions with your opinions regarding his conduct as you did here. General complaints about editor conduct can only be made at WP:ANI (administrator noticeboard), and you need to be able to substantiate the complaint with specific instances of misconduct (using diffs). And the administrators would need to see where you have discussed the issues with the editor directly and how they responded. You can discuss the issues with them on the article talk pages where the problematic content is present, or on UnpetitproleX's own talk page. Writing about editor conduct anywhere would be considered a personal attack and harassment.

If you do not agree with anything I have said, I can invite an admin to reinforce it for you. If you disregar it and continue harassing UnpetitproleX, your IP adress or the range of IP addresses of your network may be blocked, which will inconvenience not only you but other users on your network as well. The best option for you is to create a user account. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

• 2A02:C7C:6782:7A00:8CF:CAB1:C2D1:B44E is blocked as sock of Nangparbat and 149.241.164.170 since admits to be him, he should be ignored too. @UnpetitproleX: familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nangparbat. Capitals00 (talk) 17:07, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

  A can of worms I can’t gather the energy to open, and I wish I didn’t have to deal with. Sigh. UnpetitproleX (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Just to keep you informed

About a discussion I initiated @ WT:MOS/LEGAL you had suggested if WP:RSN would be better place for policy discussion another user suggested WT:LAW would be better place. I had posted these suggestions @ WP:RSN and intimated @ WP:Teahouse about such discussion requesting inputs. Unfortunately there were no inputs @ WP:RSN probably common audience are not closely aware of nuances and importance of legal aspects.

So what I propose to continue on going primary discussion @ WT:MOS/LEGAL and as and when we see any consensus building up that can be taken up before larger policy making forum.

This is just to keep you informed. Bookku (talk) 07:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023

Can you take a look at this? Seems an WP:SPA and an IP have taken over the article. Since you’re the main author of the JeM article, you can do better than I can. UnpetitproleX (talk) 22:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Love jihad

This edit should be incorporated into the Wikipedia Love jihad article which is extended confirmed protected. Please do so!-2406:7400:98:395:F5C5:9FE3:B14E:883F (talk) 09:31, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Request to publish an article on The Resistance Front

Hello, I request you to publish a new article on The Resistance Front which is a similar militant group to PAFF. While doing my research on PAFF, I came across a lot of news articles about their activities and various studies exclusively about TRF. I can help you with all the relevant material I came across.

Scope for a general article about 'Militant activity in Kashmir after the removal of Article 370' also remains open and desirable although it could be argued that it should be added in the Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir article itself. Kaamavats (talk) 03:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kaamavats, you can start creating a draft page at User:Kaamavats/The Resistance Front, and I can help in whatever way I can. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Missed sign

You didn't sign your post [9]. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:54, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Why are you barking up this tree?

"Anti-Hindutva vigilantism" is not a term found anywhere on the internet [10] - why are you intent on pushing this non-existent phrase? Coming from an editor of your experience who understand the concept of sourcing, it is a frankly baffling tangent. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

If you search for "Muslim vigilante", you get to see all kinds of vigilante activity carried out in various parts of the world. Very little is against "crimes". It is either vigilantism to enforce religious norms or vigilantism against other minorities. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

This isn't about that term (though scholar hits are more patchy, fyi); it is about the much more precise and entirely novel term that you have invented. If a term has never before appeared on the internet, it is clearly original thinking. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Help!

I badly need your help and guidance here -1Firang (talk) 15:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

There is a collapsed table in that section on that Talk page in which you can find words by which you can find instances of love jihad online; can you find reliable sources for those instances and add them to the article with the title, "Instances of Love jihad"?-1Firang (talk) 06:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

New month, new issues

Just remembered, it was just a month ago, and now there's fresh tea — DaxServer (t · m · c) 21:21, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Except that this tea comes with loads of milk :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Sources?

I’m writing a history section for Srinagar. Any idea what may be good sources for the history of the city during Mughal rule? UnpetitproleX (talk) 19:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, no, I haven't looked into it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I’ve taken a stab at it; it’s not fully finished yet, but you’re welcome to review it and try to ce or suggest changes. Best, UnpetitproleX (talk) 21:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Urgent attention needed at Talk:Ror

You have been repeatedly pinged by Talk:Ror by a user who is trying to draw attention to a source they found that contradicts cited information in the cited article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

New discussion

[11] I'm guessing you probably wrote the text under discussion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Prima facie

Concerns of Meitei majoritarianism are quite true. Good job in pushing back against such efforts! TrangaBellam (talk) 09:13, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Came across the interesting rewriting of history around Sengol, today. Are you following it? TrangaBellam (talk) 04:45, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh, dear! Obviously a symbol of "Hindu Rashtra". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

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Nirmaljoshi, you are joking! You change the content that has been sitting on the page for years, today, with wishy-washy edit summaries, and claim that I have made an "unconstructive edit"? Do you have any idea what that term means?

As per WP:BRD, when an edit is reverted it, you are supposed to discuss it and work towards a WP:CONSENSUS. Do you not know that? You have received an ARBIPA alert two years ago! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:20, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Refer Wikipedia:Nothing is in stone. nirmal (talk) 03:36, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

That page is an essay. Nevertheless it tells you about the need for COSENSUS.

The WP:Edit warring notice I have given is policy. It says in particular, "Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold, but while a potentially controversial change may be made to find out whether it is opposed, another editor may revert it. This may be the beginning of a bold, revert, discuss (BRD) cycle. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

FYI. Abecedare (talk) 01:30, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Bhagwa Love Trap

You and Bishonen and Doug Weller might be interested in this newly created conspiracy theory to counter the love jihad conspiracy theory.

1- Conspiracy theorists- https://www.boomlive.in/decode/bhagwa-love-trap-meet-the-conspiracy-theorists-muslim-women-harassment-22361

2- ‘Bhagwa love trap’: A social media conspiracy theory has divided India’s Muslims - https://scroll.in/article/1051039/bhagwa-love-trap-a-social-media-conspiracy-theory-has-divided-indias-muslims

3- Muslim Women Seen with Hindu Men Harassed, Doxed In Name of 'Bhagwa Love Trap'- https://www.thequint.com/news/india/muslim-woman-harassed-doxed-by-muslim-men-bhagwa-love-trap

4- Wire youtube video- “Bhagwa Love Trap”: Muslim Women ‘Seen With Hindu Men’ Harassed, Attacked | "Love Jihad" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP7IJsJjHeo

5- Thanks to religious polarisation, the internet and social media are flooded with ‘Bhagwa Love Trap’ videos, that caution girls against being friends with non- Muslims. However, young Muslim men in Hyderabad seem also have misinterpreted the message (to avoid falling into the alleged Hindutva ‘love traps)’, and have instead taken to moral couples, mainly when the girl/woman is a Muslim.- https://www.siasat.com/hyderabad-moral-policing-of-interfaith-couples-on-the-rise-2593336/ 42.105.101.38 (talk) 08:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I will watch the page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you also take a look at the reverse love jihad section? There are discrepancies between the text there and the report being used to support it (e.g. the report says '389 cases of underage girls missing or kidnapped', the number repeated again later in the report under "MISSING GIRLS IN KUSHINAGAR", but the wikipedia article claims the figure to be for Muslim girls only, a claim which I don’t find in the report). UnpetitproleX (talk) 21:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Muslim colonisers

TrangaBellam, picking up an old thread from User_talk:Kautilya3/Archives/Archive_17#South_Asia_Scholar_Activist_Collective, you asked:

How did you arrive at that "the Muslim elites, till the time of independence, thought of themselves as colonisers"?

Here is some info. Ayesha Jalal:

Like many of the north-Indian ashraf classes, Hali too considered Muslims to be the descendants of foreign conquerors... 'We were fire O Hind', he exclaimed, 'you've turned us into ash.'... Intended to invigorate his dejected co-religionists, not erect walls of antipathy against non-Muslims, these self-projections of a member of the north-Indian ashraf classes were susceptible to serious misinterpretation by those who had always questioned the loyalty of the Muslim to their adopted homeland.

A Pakistani writer:

Another aspect of Urdu-speaking Muslims, apart from their superiority complex, has been their attitude towards India where they had settled down on migration during the Muslim period. They never regarded themselves strictly Indians but as members of Millat-e-Islamia. The following couplet of Akbar Allahbadi is an illustration of this attitude:

While we slave for food as clerks.

Our hearts bleed for Persians and Turks.

They even looked down upon everything Indian and were all praise for whatever was Arabic, Irani or Turani. They always regarded themselves as strangers in the land of idol-worshippers. This attitude is reflected in their literature, thinking and political life. In the opening lines of 'Shikwai Hindi', Maulana Altaf Hussain Hali says:

Farewell Hindustan, land of eternal spring,

For long have we, as foreign guests, stayed here.

Syed Ahmed Khan supposedly disagreed with these views:

"Hundreds of years have lapsed since we, in our turn, left the lands of our origin. We remember neither the climate nor the natural beauty of those lands, ... We also come to consider India as our homeland and we settled down here like the earlier immigrants. Thus India is the home of both of us."

I say "supposedly" because this syncretism changed after the Indian National Congress changed and he became an ardent proponent of Muslim separatism, an early version of the Two Nation Theory. The eventual contract that emerged between the INC and the Indian Muslims was one of "soft separatism":

In other words, Indian Muslims did not aim to blend into an Indian nation, but to fight within the Indian context alongside other communities to achieve the right to live freely, that is, following the rules of their religion and law (the sharia). Peter Hardy concluded from this, “In 1920–2 Abdul Kalam Azad and the Jamiyat were advocating the mental partition of India”.

The coloniser mentality continues to rule Pakistan:

Every single Muslim in the subcontinent believes s/he is of Arab descent. If not direct Arab descent, then the illustrious ancestor had come from either Iran or Bukhara. Interestingly, the ancestor is always a great general or a saint. Never ever have we heard anyone boasting of an intellectual for a forebear. We hear of the progeny of savage robber kings, but there is no one who claims Abu Rehan Al-Beruni or Ibn Rushd as a distant sire.

Including this shocking viral clip from Hassan Nisar doing the rounds at present. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:08, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Replying in a while. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

It is their right to choose an identity they love and cherish. However, if they walk on the path of hate as in the viral clip then misery will follow them like a shadow.

Manopubbangama dhamma manosettha manomaya| Fayninja (talk) 05:07, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Sir Syed Ahmed Khan remained a lifetime supporter of Hindu-Muslim unity. Just few days before his death he said:-

We should have the courage to accept that the education which is teaching our Hindu youth to hate the Muslims will one day make them understand that until Hindus and Muslims come together and do not learn to respect the feelings of each other, neither of them will get a place of respect under the British rule.

Hassan Nisar has once again ditched Hindutva proponents who frequently cites him.[12][13] Earlier, he ditched them over farmer protests.[14] Capitals00 (talk) 12:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Politicians say hundreds of things and the commentariat pick and choose among them to build a narrative. I stand by my comment that Syed Ahmed Khan was an early proponent of the two-nation theory. He was one of the first people to understand that the move towards democratisation under the British would lead to a loss of Muslim privilege and, so, fought against it.

Spokesmen for the Muslim elite invited the British to weigh quantitative criteria against qualitative aspects that could only argue in favour of the heirs to the Mughal Empire. This rhetoric in defence of Muslims was coupled with a sort of thinly veiled threat: not only were the Muslims superior in quality and heirs to a rich history, but they also wielded an influence that they could use against the British if necessary. -- Jaffrelot, Christophe. The Pakistan Paradox (p. 41). Oxford University Press

As for Hasan Nissar, nothing more needs to be said. Racists too have brains, and occasionally use them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

References

References

2023 Manipur violence

The violence began that same day, when reports surfaced that the Anglo-Kuki War Memorial Gate had been burnt down. This led Kukis to burn several villages inhabited by Meitei communities in Churachanpur, which in turn prompted retaliation by the Meitei, who reportedly torched several localities belonging to the Kuki community in the Imphal Valley areas, leading to several casualties.

Checkout reference - https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/06/understanding-indias-manipur-conflict-and-its-geopolitical-implications DSP2092^talk 14:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:2023 Manpur violence#How it began

 – Kautilya3 (talk) 14:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Manipur

I am not following the conflict to any significant extent but assuming you are:

(1) Do you recall the Puya Meithaba saga? There is a strong revivalist element in the Meitei mainstream which practices — or aims to practice — some original version of Sanmahism, uncorrupted by Vaishnava elements that have been introduced since Garib Niwaz's reign. It is not an exxageration to say that Nawaz is the greatest villain in Meitei historiography in the vernacular.

(2) Given that (1) has even led to targeted killings of Vaishnavs and a variety of anti-Hindu demonstrations across the 90s (perhaps even later), how is the Meitei-BJP alignment working out so comfortably?

I recalled this aspect of Manipuri history after a long time and could only be confused.TrangaBellam (talk) 16:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Recall that "Hindutva" is not Hinduism per se, but rather encompasses all native Indian belief systems. So Hindutva has appropriated Sanamahi as part of itself, and directed them at the "wily Christians". Of course, you and I know that Sanamahi will only bide its time until it can strike back its patron, but Hindutva is supremely confident of itself.

Try browsing through this rambling. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:02, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

The day Arnab dumped the Modi sarkar [15], in Martin Luther King style. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:14, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Edit Request on article 2023 Manipur violence

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Have a look

Have a look at this. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Kuki tribe population estimate

Why did you remove the population estimate of the Kuki tribe? I already explained that the estimate comes from the national register of languages of India from the 2011 census. There's no evidence of your accusation of "faulty numbers". 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:3824:7B86:C522:B37E (talk) 16:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, you need to discuss this at Talk:Kuki people. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Lingam

the article Lingam is misleading and attacking on Hindu faith , i request you to please remove some sections which is against wiki and neutralise wherever not possible to remove.

Lingam#Puranas is false. shiva purana doesn't describe anything related to sage and Parvati story but by quoting some books as reference it is added on wiki,

shiva purana actually describe only cosmic pillar (Stambha) of fire story.

Lingam#Mahabharata is also false.

Your more experienced to handle this issue, please look into it. Bhadra 782 (talk) 18:23, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Lingodbhava, should be merged with lingam, both are same , the Lingodbhava is story as per shiva purana and Lingam is worshiping symbol, Bhadra 782 (talk) 00:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/shiva-purana-sanskrit/d/doc377501.html

I don't understand Sanskrit fully but I used aksharamukha.appspot.com/converter tool to convert iast text into kannada script so i can read, as per my understanding in Sanskrit version the sages glorify worshiping Shiva Linga but in English translation by jl Shastri author it is completely different. Bhadra 782 (talk) 01:29, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for bringing it up. My expertise doesn't extend to the esoteric aspects of religion, but I can see that the lead is WP:OR and the translation given in the lead sentence is wrong. I slapped some quality templates on it. You can perhaps ask people at WP:WikiProject Hinduism. Unfortunately, that project is quite dormant at this time. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:43, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Your account or impersonator?

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I have four year old twitter account. I saw this account today and looks like your account. John Edgerlosy (talk) 05:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is my account. If you wish to discuss my twitter activity, you need to do so on Twitter (or X). Wikipedia is not meant for that purpose. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding a General Question related to Arthshastra

Dear Kautilya33,
This is yamantakks and I got to know about you through your reverts on my article of Annexation of Hyderabad and thanks for that because I too was confused and you made it better. But my question was something else which was a general one.
As I have seen your user page and seen that you seem to have read the Arthshastra, I wanted to ask that where can we read it for free because I was also trying to do so but was not able to find a pdf version or something like that.
And sorry for this miscellaneous message on your talk page, if you want, I may delete it.
Regards The Yamantakks (talk) 06:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Here. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

The Yamantakks (talk) 06:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thoughts?

You seem to be an experienced Wikipedian; hence I come for your inputs. User:Solblaze removing NYT sourced material and calling it fictitious is sneaky. I am not sure how to warn the user. I saw your warning on their page and thought of letting you know of this. Wrythemann (talk) 22:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The Manipur violence does not have anything to do with "Anti Christian Sentiment" that was mentioned in the article. Please kindly edit the information or else new users who will read that article will be falsely misleaded.

The Manipur violence's root cause is the poppy plantation and the demand of inclusion of the Meitei community in the Scheduled Tribes. It is not related to any "Anti Christian Sentiment" that was mentioned in the article. SaveManipur (talk) 06:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is written by summarising reliable sources, not our opinions. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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History of women in indian subcontinent

In the article of history of women in indian subcontinent there is no mention of manusmriti and how it lead to the decline of the rights of women as many other reference claims about it .

Reference 1)"Manusmriti: The Problematic Guide to Being a ‘Good Woman’ & ‘Good Wife’" https://www.thequint.com/amp/story/news/india/manusmriti-guide-good-woman-bjp-sanatana-dharma-wife-delhi-high-court-judge-pratibha-singh 2)"‘Indian Scriptures Like Manusmriti Give Respectable Position to Women’: Delhi HC Judge" https://m.thewire.in/article/women/indian-scriptures-manusmriti-women-respect-justice-prathiba-singh/amp 3)"Understanding Manusmriti And Why Its Text Is Problematic And Anti-Women" https://www.shethepeople.tv/news/understanding-manusmriti-women-text/ Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 05:44, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, you need WP:HISTRS for historical matters. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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I apologize. Not only for the briefness of this message, but just in general for the last few days, including messaging you via the twitter link that was posted above. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you GhostOfDanGurney. There is no need for any apology as long as you were editing in good faith. We all learn through editing and discussing. All the best! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Undue and Due facade

Hi there so how is the opinion of a Think Tank widely regarded as anti Muslim and right wing due? surely there views themselves deserve no addition if we take into account their own agenda pointing out there background is more than Due and covering up the think tanks background which is controversial is highly Undue Mrdabalina (talk) 14:43, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

[16] Plenty more sources exists which point out how this think tank is geared towards one view of Muslims/islam so to use them as a source is very UNDUE until its pointed out they are biased in some way. If you want more references you can ask. Mrdabalina (talk) 14:46, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Makes no difference. Sources can be WP:BIASED. If this report has been criticised as biased, we can state that, with suitable attribution to those views. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

It makes a huge difference and yes I have pointed out the bias the feeble passing note of "neo-conservative" is just a white wash for what is a very right wing and clearly anti-Muslim think tank and it needs to be mentioned just so people do not think its some innocent independent and neutral reference. Mrdabalina (talk) 14:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

On a side note another independent inquiry is being set up for next year so hopefully we have an unbiased and neutral version of events by 2024 this was set up due to the influence of think tanks such as HJS and their biased narratives.[17] Mrdabalina (talk) 15:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

A link to the Henry Jackson Society page has been given. That is where any information you want to add about the society needs to go. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

As mentioned here [18] Nope white washing its inherent bias and agenda is not acceptable nor compatible with Wiki policy you mentioned above. Mrdabalina (talk) 15:08, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

There are skeletons in every cupboard. So please save your breath. If there are criticisms voiced about the report, please bring them forward, and I will study them and cover them as needed. If you don't agree, you can take it to WP:NPOVN. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

[19] Looks like your think tank Jackson has bone to pick with a certain group skeletons and all. Thank you for proving my point and will not be wasting breath on this discussion and your attempts in white washing prejudice. Please note you conveniently ignored every source because you just cant tolerate any opposing view which points fingers at your community. Mrdabalina (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain

We have spoken at length about the topic above on your talk page I do not need your false warnings when nobody has made "several edits to a version" and no "edit war" has taken place please your edit was removed ONCE keep this passive aggressive warning off my talk page I have provided sources you may reword that section on HJS how you like but do not try and make out like it was edit warring when I only reverted your edit once and added several references. All the best. Mrdabalina (talk) 16:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

We did not agree on anything. The WP:ONUS on obtaining WP:CONSENSUS for edits rests on those that want to make an edit. You still don't have consensus for your edit. And your reinstatement constitutes WP:edit warring. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I never stated we had agreed on anything yet another false accusation you also falsely claimed I was edit warring and you misused policy to send warnings trying to shut down criticism of HJS read my comment above without making things up I said you can edit as you please and reword but include more about HJS one sided history and credibility but do not throw around accusations just because you do not like an edit which goes against the narrative you want to set. Good day and refrain from continually dragging this on and on. Mrdabalina (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Question about source reliability

Hi Kautilya. I was wondering if you could provide some insight on whether a source is reliable not: I initially posted this on the reliable sources noticeboard and the Noticeboard for India related topics but only got one response.

Here is a copy-paste on discerning whether this source is reliable or not:

I want to inquire about Inderjit Singh Jaijee. From what I've gathered about this author, he is a human rights activist in the Punjab region. He used to be a marketing executive until Operation Blue Star occured in 1984, whereupon he dedicated his life to activism. He was also a MLA in the Punjab Legislative Assembly for a year (1985-1986). He is also associated with the Baba Nanak Educational Society (a religious organization judging by its nomenclature) and the Movement Against State Repression (which does not appear to be a particularly prominent organization given that I wasn't able to find anything about it)

Jaijee does not have an educational background in any relevant humanities discpline like history, anthropology, political science but he does have two books that were published by SAGE-[20] written in 2019 and this book [21] written in 2011. I'm not denying the reliability of these SAGE published books but would his earlier books which were not peer reviewed also be considered reliable in light of his later accomplishments-[22].

In my opinion, they would not, owing to Jaijee's lack of experience and training in academia and the lack of peer review; it was also written over a decade prior to his first SAGE published book.

Thanks in advance. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 21:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert. I replied at WP:RSN.

The main value of academic works is that the academics are generally disinterested scholars, who go wherever the evidence takes them. Activists are not disinterested, and their views should get reduced WP:WEIGHT or used with WP:In-text attribution.

I have used, for example, some works by Azad Kashmir writers in writing about Kashmir conflict topics because they are the only ones that knew what happened in the early stages of the conflict. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and I completely agree with your analysis. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Urduwood and Hindutva

So... I don't really understand why you removed the link to Urduwood from the Hindutva page. Hindutva is a cultural agenda just as much as a political agenda, so it seems only natural to mention the Urduwood article on the Hindutva page. I don't need that mention to look exactly like how I added it, but it seems strange for the Hindutva article not to discuss this at all.

Hindutva is obviously linked to some extent to the Sanskritisation of Indian languages and the removal of non-Hindu influences from popular culture and society, so the article on Urduwood and the anti-Bollywood boycotts done by Hindu nationalists seems like a very natural topic to discuss in the context of Hindutva. So hopefully you can find some way to mention Urduwood in the Hindutva article; I am fine if you want to add it to the article in your own unique way, and then if I disagree with the way you have added it, we can discuss further. GreekApple123 (talk) 14:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

We decide what goes into the page based on what prominent reliable sources about Hindutva cover. Adding anything else is WP:OR. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

So do you not consider the sources in the Urduwood article prominent and reliable? There are sources like The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/30/bollywood-under-siege-as-rightwing-social-media-boycotts-start-to-bite) (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/feb/04/pathaan-shah-rukh-khan-bollywood-out-of-doldrums), The Diplomat (https://thediplomat.com/2022/09/is-hindu-nationalists-boycott-bollywood-campaign-impacting-the-box-office/), The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/17/when-the-hindu-right-came-for-bollywood), The Economist (https://www.economist.com/books-and-arts/2021/02/25/the-siege-of-bollywood), etc. which I would consider to be very big publications which are highly reliable and which do a lot of coverage of Hindu nationalism and related changes in India's politics and society.

If that's not enough, check out these two sources which I got off a Google Scholar search for Urduwood and Hindutva: (https://escholarship.org/content/qt0mj6t4hf/qt0mj6t4hf.pdf), (https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/177340/19-Agarwal-BoycottBollywood-Social%20Media%20and%20Society%20in%20India%20Proceedings-100-108-10.73027937.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y); both of them discuss Urduwood and modern-day Hindu nationalism (which I assume you accept as an alternative way of referring to Hindutva).

Do let me know if there's anything I can do to provide better sources if these do not suffice. GreekApple123 (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Which of those articles is titled "Urduwood", like you have done? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

None of them, as far as I know. But it seems like you're applying standards which don't appear in Wikipedia rules; as long as I have credible articles which discuss in depth the nexus between Hindu nationalism and anti-Bollywood boycotts that are premised on an opposition to Urdu/Islamic influences, then I believe that it ought to be mentioned in the Hindutva article in some capacity or other.

It sounds to me that your only criterion of opposition at the moment is the name "Urduwood"; while I don't exactly agree with your opposition to that (seeing as I have shown you several sources which articulate what the term "Urduwood" is, what it refers to, etc, and the sources show that it's a common name used in conjunction with the overarching phenomenon of opposition to Bollywood displayed by Hindu nationalists), I'm willing to add content to the Hindutva article which simply mentions that some Hindu nationalists have been boycotting Bollywood movies because they oppose it on the grounds of what they claim to be excessive Urdu and anti-Hindu sentiments, if that's something you can agree to. Perhaps the Urduwood article can just be linked to but in a way that doesn't use the name explicitly; something like:

"Hindutva activists have boycotted several Bollywood movies in the past, claiming that they use too much Urdu and are offensive to Hindu sentiments." GreekApple123 (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Try adding it to the "Protection of Hindu interests" section. Mind you that "Urduwood" should never be used in Wikipedia voice. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Manipur

@Kautilya3: : Hey i have added revelent content in the page Manipur, can i insert the image back!! Jimor46789 (talk)

No, you can't. That is what the warning message on your talk page said. Can you read the edit summary here? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Mizo language

Hi, it is regarding this. I believe the map and labelling is WP:OR. Please see the discussion here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I removed the "indigeneity" claims, which I found troubling. The rest of it is not controversial, but you can tag it for citations if you wish. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 16:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Zhaxigang Township and pinyin orthography

Hi Kautilya3, this is Sameer. I've received your message about my edit on the article Zhaxigang Township. In the edit, I removed the spaces in the pinyin transliteration of the name of the township, from 'Zhā xī gǎng xiāng' into 'Zhāxīgǎng xiāng'. I didn't provide any sources then, because one of the basic rules of pinyin orthography is that spaces should be placed between words instead of syllables. So I am going to redo that edit. Thank you. Sameer (talk) 10:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH

❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

The argument he gives in edit request is supporting WP:SYNTH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bhagwa_Love_Trap_conspiracy_theory#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_7_December_2023 2409:40E1:1E:A9A6:F597:10B:6DEB:386C (talk) 16:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Identifier

Is it necessary to add ethnolinguistic identifiers in the lead sentences of historical biographies, as in Jasrat? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. In historical biographies, ethnicity is a primary identifier, when it is known and is uncontested. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

A strange editor

Meitei constitution (disambiguation), Japanese–Meitei cultural relations (whaat?), National recognition of Meitei culture (???), and several other pages. Also, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gateway to Southeast Asia, etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

There's also a Classicism in Meitei culture. Okay, this is very bizarre but I think we are near the nuke stage. TrangaBellam (talk) 01:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Hyderabad Massacres

You have revisied it a lot even though there have been sources mentioned by authors. Most of my Knowledge put into the article has been a combination of Indian News Outlets, Wikipedia , Indian Goverment Sources (Sunderlal Report) aswell countless others such as Communist Party of India. I haven't used any pakistani sources as there is none I could Find. Special:Contributions/3 (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, all issues can be discussed on the article's talk page, Talk:Hyderabad massacres. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)