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Tech News: 2023-43

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Your revert

Here.[2] I wasn't making a "comment", but assessing the state of the comments that had been made. I don't think re-opening that thread is helpful to anybody, either. Bon courage (talk) 04:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I think the people commenting in the thread were doing fine without assistance; if his proposal was serious, it at least warrants some kind of response, and if not (it almost certainly wasn't), it doesn't really matter either way. jp×g 02:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Signpost activity (redux)

I have replied to the edit you made to your archive, as I wasn't sure if you wanted to revive the conversation on your current talk page (as per your archive header), since you hadn't done it yourself. Personally I think continuing here is a good idea. isaacl (talk) 17:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Either is fine, I guess, although I find it easier to keep track of a conversation when it's all in the same place. jp×g 23:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
After your initial reply on the archive page, you edited your archive header to say that you probably won't see edits made to the archive page, so I'll make it easier for you to see my comments by making them here. I appreciate the episode was embarrassing for you, and so it may have been difficult to participate in the corresponding newsroom discussion. Unfortunately, your reticence to engage makes it more challenging for others to provide feedback to you. Being omnipresent and fully involved at all times is naturally not expected. Greater responsiveness, though, will encourage more co-operation and understanding. Good luck! isaacl (talk) 02:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Response

Hey! Not sure why you responded in your own archive but I've since decided to drop that, especially since I don't have much time for editing Wikipedia anymore. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 18:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Alas. Such is life, I suppose! Always good to take a break from time to time. jp×g 23:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
So far your RFA is looking good! Thanks for doing this. We need admins more than ever now. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 12:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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  • Starting November 1, the impact module (Special:Impact) will be upgraded by the Growth team. The new impact module shows newcomers more data regarding their impact on the wiki. It was tested by a few wikis during the last few months. [5]

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive

Hello JPxG:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over 1800 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, JPxG. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Were you expecting me to support your RfA?

Can't remember if we discussed this before. Happy to support if you want me to. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, I think I'm misremembering. I've added a support !vote anyway. Good luck!  — Amakuru (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Optional question

Hi JPxG. Please review the optional question I posted on your RfA and let me know if this is the sort of scope you were anticipating. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Solar eclipse of September 10, 1923

On 2 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Solar eclipse of September 10, 1923, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that scientists traveled thousands of miles to observe the solar eclipse of September 10, 1923, from Santa Catalina Island, but saw only clouds? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Solar eclipse of September 10, 1923. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Solar eclipse of September 10, 1923), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Your request for adminship

Hi JPxG, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for both your landslide victory and for your place on WP:RFX200! As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin help pages are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck! Acalamari 08:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Complimenti

I'd have changed my vote at RFA in light of the response you gave to the medical question, but time ran out. Slightly annoyed that the other (weird) oppose stopped me ending-up as the lone standout. Anyway, well done and I'm sure you'll do great Bon courage (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

A kitten for you!
Well, you’re an admin now. Congrats! Good luck with your new mop and bucket. #prodraxis connect 11:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Lightburst (talk) 15:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC) Lightburst (talk) 15:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Congrats. You are mentioned here so I am pinging you - put my stray comment here where it belongs Lightburst (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

For some reason...

The T-shirt.

...I've got a bunch of those T-shirts in a box next to my bed. Congrats! LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 08:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Congrats, JPxG! Your baton may come a bit late, as 0xDeadbeef is on vacation. (I know they said anyone can pass it for them, but I prefer an admin do the honors.) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Congratulations! You will be very good at this. —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:25, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
No, no, no! Why do people always hand out shirts before me? I always wanted to do that, but never got a chance... The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 18:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
A bit late, but congratulations! :) Tails Wx 18:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Great job on passing RFA! QuicoleJR (talk) 13:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations. Glad to have had the chance to support. Best wishes. Donner60 (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
JPxG, Hello and Congratulations,I happy to saw you're a administrator of enwiki;I happy to supported to you. ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 14:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

If I'd seen this, I'd probably have supported you. (And the pressure on candidates not to respond is silly. It's entirely up to the candidate.) Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Database reports – Size

Hi JPxG. First, congratulations on your successful RfA:) Well done!

Question about this edit. What does "size" actually refer to? I can't find a single example where it matches the number of pages in a given report. Must refer to something else?

Also it seems something went wrong on about a dozen or so rows where the Run frequency is displayed in the size column instead where it belongs; if you could please take a look. --DB1729talk 14:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I realized after posting, size refers to bytes. Not sure why that wasn't obvious to me right away, but I went ahead and changed it to "Size (bytes)" to clarify. I also did a fix on those rows. Is this acceptable? --DB1729talk 15:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

A baton for you!

The admin baton
This isn't technically my baton to pass, but 0xDeadbeef said they would be unable to pass the baton on this week and said that someone else is welcome to do so.

So with that said, please accept this baton and carry it for the very short time it looks like you'll be able to. Congratulations and welcome to the admin corps @JPxG, we're glad to have you :) Hey man im josh (talk) 12:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hell yeah brother. jp×g🗯️ 22:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Rack 'em... passed. jp×g🗯️ 19:28, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Request

I've started a revamp of Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set.

Please take a look and let me know if there are any essential techniques or must have tools that you think should be included.

Thank you.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 November 2023

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Some baklava for you!

For missing out the RfA. Congratulations :") The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-45

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  • In the Vector 2022 skin, the default font-size of a number of navigational elements (tagline, tools menu, navigational links, and more) has been increased slightly to match the font size used in page content. [6]

Problems

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

User:JPxG/Oracle/2023-11

I fixed missing end tag lint errors in User:JPxG/Oracle/2023-11.

The next run of your bot wiped out my fixes.

Fix your bot. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).

Administrator changes

added 0xDeadbeef
readded Tamzin
removed Dennis Brown

Interface administrator changes

added Pppery
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Guideline and policy news

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Arbitration

  • Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
  • Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
  • Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
  • Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
  • Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
  • Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
  • An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

Miscellaneous

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newspapers.com clippings

What is it that I'm doing wrong that you have to fix?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK reviewer not active

Hi there! I started my second nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Quách Thị Trang Square. A user, Arcahaeoindris, chose to review it, but he/she just made one comment and became inactive on Wikipedia for 4 days. What should I do in this case? Should I keep waiting and if that’s the case, how long would you recommend? Thanks!! Đại Việt quốc (talk) 00:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Not a DYK expert myself... @Vaticidalprophet: What do you reckon they ought to do? jp×g🗯️ 03:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Four days happens sometimes, but reviewers suddenly disappearing is a known quandary. If they don't reappear in a week or so, ping me again and I'll add a "new reviewer needed" template. Vaticidalprophet 04:55, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

You should know this, but if you make a change and it gets reverted, it's not a good idea to mash the revert key to try and force your change. That's how edit wars start. An essay that explains a reasonable MO is WP:BRD. Note, BRD, not BRR. Bon courage (talk) 07:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

What is the context for this? Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
I am not quite sure. I made a single revert at COVID-19 lab leak theory last night. @Bon courage: is this about that? jp×g🗯️ 18:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Your "single revert" there was to reinstate *your* reverted change (a controversial edit). Of course this is what is referred to. Bon courage (talk) 18:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Okay, then you are simply incorrect. A revert is not an edit war. jp×g🗯️ 20:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
I think the article was full protected due to the edits between you and Bon Courage. There's something going on there. Not going to cast blame, but I'd encourage both of you to please try to edit in a way that doesn't get the article full protected. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, what exactly is 'simply incorrect'? What I wrote was "That's how edit wars start". As to your statement that 'a revert is not an edit war' - why then did you write this[10] edit summary in response to MY initial revert, 'Please stop edit-warring on this article'? Note am I also still waiting on a response about your (admin-based?) invocation of 'deliberate' source misrepresentation at that article. Bon courage (talk) 04:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
You are asking me to justify a claim I did not make, and have told you repeatedly that I did not make. I cannot explain my reasoning behind a thing I did not say. Please stop asking me about it. jp×g🗯️ 06:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
You raised two bad faith possibilities about why content had been added, on two occasions. These are you words:
  • "Whoever added this was either mistaken or deliberately misrepresenting the source with a vague and difficult-to-verify citation"
  • "I am rather concerned by the idea that twelve references could be added to an article to "quell continued objections" in a way that substantially misrepresented the sources (either deliberately or through failure to actually read what they said before citing them"
I assume your "I am rather concerned" is in an admin capacity (but if not, please say).
What did you mean by raising this option of deliberate misrepresentation? If you are not going to substantiate such a claim, is this not classic WP:ASPERSIONS casting? On a talk page that is already overwrought how is this helpful? Bon courage (talk) 06:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Please discuss article content issues on the article's talk page. jp×g🗯️ 06:17, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
I am discussing your conduct, not article content. You are being very evasive. Bon courage (talk) 06:20, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Okay, here's what I said at the article talk page thirty minutes ago: As I have tried to explain, I am not attempting to "raise", "cast" or "lodge" anything. I don't know how to explain the meaning of the words "either" and "or" in greater detail. jp×g🗯️ 05:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Is there something you would like for me to clarify further? jp×g🗯️ 06:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
So you think that editors raising a bad faith assertion is okay so long as they put it as an either/or option? Saying somrthing like "Either you're a racist POV-pusher or you've simply misread the source" is okay then? Bon courage (talk) 06:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
You wrote a sentence in an article, cited it to a refgroup of twelve sources, and repeatedly defended its inclusion on the basis that it was "well backed by the sources". After I spent an afternoon reviewing each source in detail, and finding that most of them did not mention the statement at all (and the rest were opinion pieces or deprecated), you admitted that "the only purpose of the refgroup was to quell continued objections" and that you were "not particularly interested in (most of) those sources".
What does it mean to "quell continued objections"? What's the good-faith interpretation of that? jp×g🗯️ 06:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Dunno, it's not 'my' refgroup, and I didn't 'admit' anything about it since I was unsure of the need for it. So far as I was concerned the lede was just summarizing the body (and the Gorski reference), as it should; good, solid, summary.
But to be clear the editor you are framing for this supposed 'deliberate misrepresentation' is, so far as I can see, Shibbolethink, and not not me.[11] Although it is interesting you thought it was 'my' content before spending an afternoon pecking it apart, with some often dodgy reasoning and off-base interpretation of policy. Bon courage (talk) 07:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Okay, if you are going to quote isolated words from my comments to create new sentences, I am not responsible for what those sentences say. Feel free to open a noticeboard thread about my conduct here if you believe that's necessary, or discuss the subject on the article's talk page. Otherwise, I am not interested in continuing this conversation, and would prefer you stop posting to my talk page about it. jp×g🗯️ 07:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

"Per talk"

Hello friend. First off, congrats on your recent successful RFA. I do have a request though. Can you please stop saying "per talk" for controversial edits over at COVID-19 lab leak theory? "Per talk", in my opinion, means that an issue has been discussed on a talk page with multiple editors, and a consensus has arisen supporting the change. I think what you really mean to say here is "see talk". Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there actually a distinction? Makes sense to me. I suppose in the scheme of things, a different three-letter word is a pretty easy change to make, so I will be happy in knowing my dumb little edit summaries benefit someone. jp×g🗯️ 09:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Hahaha. Sounds good. Thank you :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
@Novem Linguae: Thank you. I've been saying that for years and nobody ever told me it was wrong until now! jp×g🗯️ 10:04, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Solar eclipse of November 22, 1900

On 9 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Solar eclipse of November 22, 1900, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a newspaper in Kentucky reported that the solar eclipse of November 22, 1900, would pass over Austria instead of Australia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Solar eclipse of November 22, 1900. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Solar eclipse of November 22, 1900), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Nov 15: WikiWednesday Salon + Wikimedia NYC Executive Director job

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FAC Retrospective

Please see User:RoySmith/Signpost/FAC Retrospective for the submission I mentioned to you a while ago. I finally got it into reasonable shape and uploaded it. Also @Eddie891. RoySmith (talk) 23:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-46

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Problems

  • Last week, users who previously visited Meta-Wiki or Wikimedia Commons and then became logged out on those wikis could not log in again. The problem is now resolved. [16]
  • Last week, some pop-up dialogs and menus were shown with the wrong font size. The problem is now resolved. [17]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 November. It will be on all wikis from 16 November (calendar).

Future changes

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  • Canary (also known as heartbeat) events will be produced into Wikimedia event streams from December 11. Streams users are advised to filter out these events, by discarding all events where meta.domain == "canary". Updates to Pywikibot or wikimedia-streams will discard these events by default. [18]

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#This is unreasonable
I agree.
https://www.{{#ifeq:{{#expr:{{#time:U}}<{{subst:#expr:{{subst:#time:U}}+5}}}}|0|about}}.com/
Purge cache [19] 5 seconds after editing and boom there's your link, and nobody can edit the page anymore until they figure it out. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

How devious. Lmao! jp×g🗯️ 02:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Even more devious: third method on phab:T351124.
I should stop before I become actually evil. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 04:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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