User talk:Isabelle Belato/Archive 13
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Vandalism
I see you have reverted the changes on Poumpouras page. Please note that Wikipedia is NOT a platform for people and their buddies to promote themselves, but an encyclopedia that is supposed to be objective and use credible sources. Material about living persons should not be added when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. This includes websites/news/magazine articles that use the subject's own work as a "source". You have deleted all of the changes I have made without giving any reasonable explanation as to why, just as 35.140.144.82 coincidentally did. Please note that if you revert those changes again without giving any good & logical reason as to why I'm going to report you for vandalism. Thank you for your cooperation. TRVTHSERVM (talk) 03:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- What Isabelle Belato did was not vandalism. Your additions to the page read like an accusation that the subject is lying. Better source needed, fine. Allowing such accusations to be on the page, no. This is a serious WP:BLP violation and can not sustain without sourcing. If you want to report Isabelle Belato for vandalism, you're going to need to add me to the report too. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- How is it an accusation when people are being made aware of the fact that this person is not mentioned AT ALL anywhere outside from her own hugely biased memoir and tabloid newspapers who take Poumpouras' own statements in the books as a source? This is all the more serious when someone claims to have been granted a USSS Valor Award for being a 9/11 first responder without dhs.gov actually listing that person as such (I am actually currently in talks with dhs to find out if she actually received such an award, because if not, then this woman is not only adorning herself with borrowed plumes for self-aggrandization but also violating law), so no, your claim that it is accusatory is not true. In order for something to be an accusation justifying reversion it must not only be libelous but also a distortion of verifiable, objective truth. So far I have simply stated, in an unemotional tone, the VERIFIABLE truth that there is literally no source, government or otherwise (interviews taking the subject's own statements as fact/source don't count as a source), that actually proves her claim of having been a so called "special agent". This is a much more serious matter than just an article requiring a better source. The wiki article is uncritically adopting claims from Poumpouras that haven't been verified at all. So far we just a journalist and author with sufficient notability CLAIMING to have been a special agent, not more not less. Wikipedia is not supposed to be an instrument aiding people in self-aggrandizement. So much for accusation. TRVTHSERVM (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- TRVTHSERVM, if you file a vandalism report, add my name to the list because I just reverted you. Let me be crystal clear: If you continue to violate Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people, you will be blocked. Wikipedia editors are not permitted to act like investigative journalists, debunking claims we think are dubious. That is original research which is forbidden on Wikipedia. If a published reliable source (not you), calls her claims into question, then it can be discussed. Until then, the answer is no. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article ITSELF violates that policy though by using tabloid journalism and the author's own claims as a "reliable" source. How is that ok?
- Can I just make up a bunch of stories, write a book about it, pay a PR firm to hype it up, give interviews to tabloids and you'll then write an article about that in a way that just uses those sources as evidence of those claims? I find that preposterous... TRVTHSERVM (talk) 17:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- And btw, yes wiki editors are not supposed to act like investigative journalists but they are also not supposed to uncritically add sources that aren't reliable and haven't even checked the facts to begin with. TRVTHSERVM (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- TRVTHSERVM, this is a final warning. Stop or be blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TRVTHSERVM: Have you considered using the article's talk page instead of accusing other editors of vandalism and edit warring? Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 17:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- And btw, yes wiki editors are not supposed to act like investigative journalists but they are also not supposed to uncritically add sources that aren't reliable and haven't even checked the facts to begin with. TRVTHSERVM (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- TRVTHSERVM, if you file a vandalism report, add my name to the list because I just reverted you. Let me be crystal clear: If you continue to violate Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people, you will be blocked. Wikipedia editors are not permitted to act like investigative journalists, debunking claims we think are dubious. That is original research which is forbidden on Wikipedia. If a published reliable source (not you), calls her claims into question, then it can be discussed. Until then, the answer is no. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- How is it an accusation when people are being made aware of the fact that this person is not mentioned AT ALL anywhere outside from her own hugely biased memoir and tabloid newspapers who take Poumpouras' own statements in the books as a source? This is all the more serious when someone claims to have been granted a USSS Valor Award for being a 9/11 first responder without dhs.gov actually listing that person as such (I am actually currently in talks with dhs to find out if she actually received such an award, because if not, then this woman is not only adorning herself with borrowed plumes for self-aggrandization but also violating law), so no, your claim that it is accusatory is not true. In order for something to be an accusation justifying reversion it must not only be libelous but also a distortion of verifiable, objective truth. So far I have simply stated, in an unemotional tone, the VERIFIABLE truth that there is literally no source, government or otherwise (interviews taking the subject's own statements as fact/source don't count as a source), that actually proves her claim of having been a so called "special agent". This is a much more serious matter than just an article requiring a better source. The wiki article is uncritically adopting claims from Poumpouras that haven't been verified at all. So far we just a journalist and author with sufficient notability CLAIMING to have been a special agent, not more not less. Wikipedia is not supposed to be an instrument aiding people in self-aggrandizement. So much for accusation. TRVTHSERVM (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello! :) 79.140.150.50 (talk · contribs) has has come back with their disruptive editing after their block expired. Should I make a report? Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pelmeen10: Blocked. Thanks. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 22:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Pir Jhando
Isabelle Belato, I appreciate your work, but disruption was not caused by IPs (I only edited when I found this bold redirect in the feed), but by autoconfirmed editors as clearly mentioned by User:Saqib. So either you have to raise the protection to extended confirmed level or don't protect. Plus, Your revert of my work and redirect Pir Jhando of a long-standing article since 2017 without any WP:AFD is very odd. WP:BOLD is clear and especially when I expanded the article with secondary sources, this shouldn't have been done. It would be great if you could self-revert and bring this WP:AFD. I'd appreciate. 2A04:4A43:8DEF:FFF4:608A:C5A:4A75:AFF7 (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That page seemed to have a long history of disruptive editing by IPs and sockpuppets, so a protection seemed fine. Considering that, I thought best to revert to the less problematic version. I'd recommend creating a draft instead. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 20:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Boa tarde
Estava a fazer uma edição a Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Endorsements. A janela de edição subiu normalmente, mas quando tentei publicar, subiu a notícia <<página semi-protegida>>. Por favor transferir o conteúdo seguinte:
"A report in the Financial Times of 7 June touches on the history in a discussion about the Washington Post:
"I can't sugar-coat it any more", said Lewis, a former Rupert Murdoch lieutenant who was brought in to turn around a stalwart of American journalism that had brought down US presidents but struggled financially in recent years...
"I do think that there's something special about American journalism and democracy because we have this ethos that is formed in part by the First Amendment," said Margaret Sullivan...
Lewis stressed the urgency of reviving a newspaper that still talks with pride about its role in the Watergate scandal five decades ago...
...the effort will be led by another former colleague, Telegraph deputy editor Rob Winnett.
He is closely linked with the 2009 coverage of an expenses scandal among British MPs that was based on evidence paid for by the newspaper. Lewis Winnett's then boss signed off the payment - reportedly 110,000 pounds - a practice barred by most US newspapers...
While US news groups enjoyed booming readership and revenues during the 2016 and 2020 elections, they have yet to see much of a "Trump bump" this time around.
Since I'm not sure how this relates to the thread, consider opening an edit request on the talk page. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 20:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Respected admin, I would like to inform you that User:Rajal.Barringh23 is doing abusive edit to the page Richa Mukherjee, as i have reverted the edit, so I request you to do Page protection of Richa Mukherjee If possible. Pokebird (talk) 14:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- The page doesn't need protection at this point. Consider warning the editor. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 14:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks Pokebird (talk) 06:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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I am asking because you have protected this page previously. This user came to revert the page again after the protection expired, without even discussing anything. Would it be possible to make an extended confirmed protection for this page? A part of the page modified by this user [1] ("Crimea, Ukraine") fall under WP:RUSUKR. Thank you! My very best wishes (talk) 01:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Protected for 6 months and logged. Despite that, it might be useful to find someone to give an uninvolved input on the talk page, as this content dispute doesn't seem to be progressing. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 12:38, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Your point is taken. I do not think it was really a content dispute about the trial/investigation because they repeatedly reverted a lot of content that was not about the trial (diff above). I am also sure that the IPs were the same account [2]. My very best wishes (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
IP is back after their block expired
Hi, in response to your note. The IP block expired and the IP user promptly came back with the same disruption here and chasing @RoxySaunders on her talk page. May need an extended time block for the IP range this time? Raladic (talk) 21:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. Blocked them for a week. We can try a few months next time they return. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 23:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks, fingers crossed they stop this time. Raladic (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
Gaming the system?
Hi, new user Trim norwes possibly trying to game the system. Stopped at 10 edits.
I've reverted them as they closed the space between sentences. Knitsey (talk) 19:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely seems like a sleeper account, though I'm not sure there is any policy-based reason to block them at this time. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 23:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking Isabelle. Knitsey (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Any objections to an unblock here? (you are the blocking admin per you extending it to indef.) See also User talk:Dennis Brown#UTRS appeal #90559, where I think this should just head to a WP:ROPE. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Uhm, I think an unblock is fine here. Reading their appeal, it doesn't seem they fully understand why what they said was wrong, but at least they know not to make those kinds of statements in the future. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 12:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Isabelle, also thank you to you for the second chance. At the same time, I would sincerely like to ask why I did not fully understand it. I would be grateful if you would be willing to at least give me a quick explanation - so that I can learn from it as much as possible both here on Wiki, but also in general towards real life. Thank you. Penepi (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Bacha Bazi Content
There are several complaints regarding this content. The provided sources do not mention a place called "historical Turkestan," and no reliable history books define such a location. The provided sources only mention Afghanistan and northern Uzbekistan, stating that bacha bazi has been a long-forgotten practice. However, some delusional unemployed teenagers abusing wikipedia as a leisure time activity refuse to remove this intentionally placed misinformation. This, along with numerous other similar abuses, can easily be observed in Wikipedia's edit history. I am concerned that sooner or later, some of you will face serious legal consequences and be required to disclose the identities of those responsible. Cannolis, PianoDan, and CanonNi are just a few of those involved. This platform should not be a place for certain entitled American youth to impose their delusional obsessions with history. Please take the necessary steps to address this issue.
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You still around?
[3] Doug Weller talk 15:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Doug! If you are asking in general, yes, I am. Speaking of the linked situation, I didn't see the need to intervene. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 01:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Replacing an older page with a newer duplicate copy instead of merge
Hi. I not sure why you have deleted the entire content of the page created at 03:42, 8 November 2024 and then added. redirect to a much smaller stab which was created at 03:48, 8 November 2024. If you want to change the name you can propose it. As a sysop you should suggest to merge and not to delete a more complete at the time of action and a more old article, which was also linked from the Current events page. So I am asking you to please self revet your change here and if you want to merge the history of the older and newer. Thanks. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 18:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Oleg. I simply reverted the page that seemed less stable to its previous state as a redirect to the more stable one. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 01:29, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. But you have made a redirect from the original page to a fork which was created at a later time. Could you merge the history of the pages, please? With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, just wondering if you wouldn't mind also protecting the Teahouse page much like you did the helpdesk? The same LTA user has migrated there under a new IP.
Thanks! CoconutOctopus talk 18:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nevermind, someone's got there already! CoconutOctopus talk 18:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. Hopefully the pending changes help. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 18:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for doing both things, very much appreciated, Isabelle! Nate • (chatter) 00:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, can you please semi protect Battle of Aleppo (2024), I made a request hours ago but no one has responded. This is a highly viewed ITN article getting heavy vandalism. Thank you. Ecrusized (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ecrusized: I'm not too familiar with this CTOP, but I decided to protect the article for two weeks, due to the disruptive editing. Hope that helps. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 22:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. Ecrusized (talk) 22:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Controversy over Baidu
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Controversy over Baidu. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice, Piotr. I'm following the discussion and will give input if necessary. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 19:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Excuse Me
Why is the Draft of Miss Cosmo 2025 been deleted, The Sockpuppet is blocked! Not did make the page... So please my pleasure Kindest regards 77.78.226.150 (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- This draft was part of several drafts created by a sock master evading their block. Isabelle Belato 🏴☠️ 15:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
disruptive editor Jokerrockonmoon
This editor has got 11 warnings but continues disruptive behavior on many Indian film pages removing and changing boxoffice figures and budgets. Despite warnings, this editor continue being disruptive. RangersRus (talk) 19:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looking over their edits, it's a mix of good and bad. The biggest issue here is that, after all the warnings and edits, they've never used their own talk page, or the talk page of another editor. It would likely benefit from a quick look at ANI. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 19:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Evi Strasser
Hi there,
I was wondering if you could please put a protection on this page as you did previously as it keeps getting scrubbed by ip accounts? Many thanks Nayyn (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- There has been one edit by an IP, so it doesn't seem entirely necessary at the moment. If more disruptive editors show up, let me know. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 11:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Prevent or Block User
Hi, I hope you are well. I have a request. CNMall41 has been removing plot summary edit on Shaitani Rasmein. Every time I added a full summary, they would remove it and deem it as a spoiler. I tried reasoning with them that it is meant to be a spoiler and that it is also detailed well and grammatically correct. They refused to see reason and threatened to block me on edit warring grounds, so I stopped. Sometime later, another user added the full summary, but CNMall41 removed it. This other user put it back and then I edited it as it had grammatical errors. Other users have tried having the full summary but CNMall41 continues to remove it and threatens other users to block them. If it possible, please restrict or block CNMall41 as well as bots from editing Shaitani Rasmein. There are people who would like to keep up with the show but are unable to watch it, so they depend on episode updates on websites and the full plot summary on wikipedia. Please take my request into careful consideration.
Thank you. GrAmPaGe EdIt FiXeR (talk) 08:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi GrAmPaGe EdIt FiXeR. I see no issue with CNMall41's actions here, as it is clear that you haven't been following our manual of style on how to edit articles related to TV shows. More than one user has already explained to you that we avoid having extremely long plots in the article, and that appears to be exactly what you are trying to add to several pages. I'd recommend you read our guidelines, such as WP:TVPLOT, and if you continue to edit war, it's very likely you will end up blocked. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 11:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have read the guidelines, and they do not prohibit long plots, they advise to avoid them. I quote "This may lead to articles about long-running series having quite long premise sections; it is highly recommended that these be cut down, as this should be a brief overview that avoids redundancy with the more detailed plot summaries that have been split off. Individual season articles should use either episode tables with no more than 200 words per episode (such as Smallville (season 1)), or a prose summary of no more than 500 words, not both. Episode articles should have a prose plot summary of no more than 400 words." The articles I have edited do not have episode tables. I have edited many other articles in the past, on a different account, and kept it short. But with series' like KKB & Shaitani Rasmein it is impossible to keep it short. As I said, they should at least try shorten it as the guidelines suggest, but they instead remove the whole thing. GrAmPaGe EdIt FiXeR (talk) 12:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- It seems quite clear that other editors disagree with your belief that an extremely long plot is needed for these articles. Until you find consensus to add those, which I will say is very unlikely to happen, you should stop trying to write plots that are longer than the community's recommended length. Competence is required seems to apply here. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 12:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Numerous editors agree according to the warnings you just removed from your talk page. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- It seems quite clear that other editors disagree with your belief that an extremely long plot is needed for these articles. Until you find consensus to add those, which I will say is very unlikely to happen, you should stop trying to write plots that are longer than the community's recommended length. Competence is required seems to apply here. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 12:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have read the guidelines, and they do not prohibit long plots, they advise to avoid them. I quote "This may lead to articles about long-running series having quite long premise sections; it is highly recommended that these be cut down, as this should be a brief overview that avoids redundancy with the more detailed plot summaries that have been split off. Individual season articles should use either episode tables with no more than 200 words per episode (such as Smallville (season 1)), or a prose summary of no more than 500 words, not both. Episode articles should have a prose plot summary of no more than 400 words." The articles I have edited do not have episode tables. I have edited many other articles in the past, on a different account, and kept it short. But with series' like KKB & Shaitani Rasmein it is impossible to keep it short. As I said, they should at least try shorten it as the guidelines suggest, but they instead remove the whole thing. GrAmPaGe EdIt FiXeR (talk) 12:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Disruptive Editors
Special:Contributions/RD55555 has been very disruptive for very long time and also has been reported twice on ANI here and here but because there was no response, no action was taken. Today, I warned the editor to not make unsourced changes on Pushpa 2 but after warning, bad edit was done again. The other editor who has done the same behavior is Special:Contributions/N0riooo. N0riooo has got 10 warnings since the creation of account in July 2024 and got warning every month except for September. These editors do not respond to warnings. These editors do not seem to be here for any constructive editing. RangersRus (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have also requested for Pushpa 2 strong page protection from editors like the ones above Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase#Pushpa_2:_The_Rule. RangersRus (talk) 19:22, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've blocked them from mainspace for the time being. When they show an understanding of how to utilize reliable sources to change figures from articles, they can be unblocked. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 11:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Isabelle. After the protection expires on Pushpa 2, likely vandalism will begin again as you can witness from the requests ips and new editors are making on the article talk page. I will need your help to extend the protection after Dec 13. RangersRus (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've blocked them from mainspace for the time being. When they show an understanding of how to utilize reliable sources to change figures from articles, they can be unblocked. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 11:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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The Signpost: 12 December 2024
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