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September 1 - 15

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Again, congratulations. Kylu (talk) 03:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again, Kylu! Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: IPBE (from May)

No worries, Welcome back, I have since became more understanding for the IPBE flag, If I ever need it in the future I'll come knocking. And again welcome back. Mlpearc powwow 03:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

checkuser

your a checkuser what kind of id did they ask for from you? Inka 888 03:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I already told you, a government-issued ID. Is there some reason you need to know this? I thought the checkuser page was pretty clear on this. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok i was just wondering i was interested you said it kind of casually so i was not sure. I'm 19 and have a government-issued ID. It was random question. Also i don't really care to be a checkuser anyway. Inka 888 03:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Jason Orange

Removing a discography table from somebody who does not have a discography is not vandalism. Jason Orange is a backing singer in the band Take That. He does not have a solo discography. The person who originally added the table did so because Jason Orange took part in one of the Haiti charity records (along with a hundred other pop stars). This one appearance is not grounds to add a discography table to his article. 88.104.30.28 (talk) 05:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Then discuss it on the talk page. If you blank that section again, then I'm going to block your IP address for edit warring. Hersfold (t/a/c) 05:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I have already tried to discuss it with the person who keeps reinserting the information, and have received no response. He is obviously getting a bit trigger happy with "igloo", which is an abuse in itself, so please redirect your threats to him. 88.104.30.28 (talk) 06:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
His response was actually to come to me for advice. In my opinion, his reverts were correct, as your edits, on face value, appear to be typical vandalism. You may notice your list of contributions shows that most of your edits are tagged with "section blanking" - that's a red flag for us. If you show a willingness to civilly discuss this, rather than threatening to report people, you might get a constructive reply in return. Hersfold (t/a/c) 06:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello if you are willing to show the sources for this information, i will be more then gladely to revoke the warnings giving to you as well as help ratify the situation. I hope to hear from you Staffwaterboy Critique Me

My list of contributions amounts to the three edits in which I removed the discography table from an article subject that does not have a discography. And there is no such discussion on either of your talk pages, or any edits from Staffwaterboy that suggests he came to you for "advice". This is clearly the pair of you messing about and I am going to report both of your accounts. 88.104.30.28 (talk) 06:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
We're talking on a chat network called IRC. I happened to be online, and staffwaterboy asked me for advice about how to proceed here. Please assume good faith about others. I'm really not out to get you, nor is anyone else here, believe it or not. Hersfold (t/a/c) 06:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia works on collaboration. If your intent here is not to vandalize, then all we're asking is a little more explanation of what you're doing and why. Our purpose here is not to prevent you from editing, we're just trying to make sure the website remains accurate. If we are in the wrong here, then I do apologize and I certainly allow you to make your edit. However, as it is right now, this looks a lot like edit warring, and as an administrator I will issue blocks as needed to stop further disruption. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from. Hersfold (t/a/c) 06:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello as i stated before i am more then willing to help rectify the situations if you are able to provide sources for the information for that article. -- Staffwaterboy Critique Me 06:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI Notification

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#problem_with_user_and_admin. Exxolon (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, did you intend to show some personal integrity on this matter and do what you said you would do?--Cube lurker (talk) 18:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, do what now? I tend not to reply to rudeness anyway, but I'm genuinely not sure what you're referring to. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
In that thread you said: "I am more than willing to admit myself in error here should that be the case.", but you never actually did that.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I've been a little distracted by other happenings lately, and to be honest haven't even been following the discussion much. I'm human, I make mistakes, and I'm generally willing to admit them when shown to me. If I do so, however, it's not because someone is rudely demanding an apology from me; such rather defeats the point of doing so. No, I probably shouldn't have been as brusque with the IP editor as I was, and I'm sure I could have handled the situation better. Am I going to go to ANI and say that now because you're calling me dishonest? No, I'll do on my own time, when I have the time. Good day, sir. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
It looks as though this has now been auto-archived, and I'm not about to dig it out of archive just so a dead horse can continue to be beaten. However, for the record, I could have handled that better. My apologies to the IP editor, should you still be around, and I do hope you return to the project. Hersfold (t/a/c) 14:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Amor Mío (Eddie Dee album)

The artist's article got deleted about two seconds after you removed the A9 tag. Amor Mío (Eddie Dee album) now qualifies for A9. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I see it's been deleted now too. Sorry about that. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

SPI, Karmaisking

Would it be possible to get you to unblock the above users. I am extremely familiar with Karmaisking (and have filed a large number of the SPIs), and the above do not pass my DUCK test at all. I'd be willing to personally keep an eye on the above editors, as I really think they deserve further scrutiny, before being linked to Karmaisking. BigK HeX (talk) 06:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

These are unquestionably the same user. All the technical data I'm seeing matches the other blocked accounts perfectly. Unless there's two different people behind the same keyboard, those three are Karmaisking. Hersfold (t/a/c) 06:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I was looking at the results with Hersfold, and I'm afraid I have to conclude the same thing. I also noted similarities in Myles325a's and Eric155's edits in particular. The technical evidence, as well as the timing, are all right there. –MuZemike 06:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


It is possible that there are similarities in the edits of Myles and Eric, however, with a quick check, I really don't see any editing similarities to Karmaisking. I understand that technical indications may justify a block, however, the key ingredient is haven't yet seen from those users is the Karmaisking disruption (such as POV pushing). I don't even know those users, but I am pleading for them to be unblocked. For any of the editors in the above list that have not been disruptive in the recent past, I guess I'd be willing to take a 2 week block myself, if they would be given the chance to take individual actions meriting a block, per WP:ROPE. They wouldn't have been caught up in an indef block, had I not been involved in opposing Karmaisking's latest disruptive attempt at meatpuppet recruitment. The thought saddens me, that not only do Karmaisking's direct actions cause a loss of productivity for the encyclopedia, but that we're also very probably losing editors that have probably been contributing productively. If it helps at all, I can attest to the fact that Karmaisking's IP is highly dynamic. Almost seems he's on dial-up. BigK HeX (talk) 06:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Please hold off on the yelling in caps. It isn't needed here, and all it does is create a hostile environment.— Dædαlus Contribs 08:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Quit arguing on my talk page with banned users. Good lord. Anyway, I'm not budging on this. The three accounts above were unquestionably operated from the same computer over a course of several months. This appears to be the same computer as what Karmaisking was using. As I said, I can't look through the screen to see what's on the other end, and even if these three accounts aren't KiK (which I again find next to impossible) they're clearly the same and are still socks. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Status Recommendation

I would like to see Vacation be added to the template, the status template. Joe Gazz84user•talk•contribs•Editor Review 16:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you gotten the template actually working? Most people who try to use it find that the auto-edit links don't function for them. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Request for assistance

You offered to help68.248.0.75 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), who has a checkuserblock; he has had a message telling him to "send an email to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org" and posted again to ask what to do now. I asked him whether there is a reason why he can't make an email request as suggested, but I said I would alert you. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Not much I can do. I actually told him to request an account through the ACC tool so that I could see his technical data and compare it to other users on that range. But if he doesn't want to follow instructions, whatever. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

* File:Comet racer.jpg * File:Mosquito T Brennan.jpg

Hi please can you help me regarding these images, your bot has marked them for deletion because the otrs status has not been sorted for 30 days or so, the problem is that I did send and email to the auther of the Image (of his sketches) asking him if I could use them on Wikimedia/Wikipedia and he emailed me back say that I could use them. I then sent copies of the emails to the otrs volanteers but they said the emails werent specific enough, please could you help me by either giving me a temlate email that I can get him to email back to me or send him an email yourself <redacted> to make sure that he gives the correct permissions for both image to be used, I anm fairly new to Wiki and could really do with some help here not just having my worthwhile contibutions deleted Many thanks Jimmy3d0 (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I cannot help you with this. As my bot's notice indicated, you'll need to contact the OTRS volunteers at commons:Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard regarding your images. They never received confirmation of the permission status of your images. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppet?

Can you check the edit history of User:Pioneer77, the MO looks suspiciously like User:Aviationperson/ talk. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC).

Right you are. I've blocked him, and I'll take a look in a minute to see if there are other accounts. Thanks! Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Looks like that's it for now. Good spotting, though. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Why secret pages should be deleted

Hi, Hersfold. I used your rationale for deleting secret pages at Wikipedia:Why secret pages should be deleted. Any feedback on the essay would be welcome. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 23:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a good summary of things. Nice work! Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! Cunard (talk) 23:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
There are some parts of your quote that won't be understood because they are in a different context. Because the quote is attributed to you, I don't feel that I have the right to change it. Would you make some changes to your quote so that it is more general? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
There is the link back to the original discussion; I'm somewhat reluctant to "re-write" what I've said too much. Doubly unfortunately, since all those pages were deleted, it's not easy to add links or reword things to make it clearer. I did add a link to the Secret Pages MfD, but aside from that I'm not sure what else to do. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
The only part that could do with a little revision is "The main nominated page advertises the "Hard" difficulty as taking hours - to be fair, I found the correct link in about 10 seconds", but I don't know how to fix that. It's probably okay as is. Cunard (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't really know. Admins, at least, should still be able to view the deleted page if so inclined; hopefully others can figure out what's going on. :-/ Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I have created Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2. Cunard (talk) 06:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks so much for helping organise my userpage. I knew it was just short of looking good, and now it looks brilliant. Mr.Kennedy1 talk guestbook 13:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Glad you like it. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 13:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Nallar

Hey, sorry to bother you again but do you think that Mowiez (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is also related due to this edit? Apologies again. Kind regards, Superchrome (talk) 13:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

As well as recreating the page. Superchrome (talk) 13:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Hersfold

Hiya Hersfold, I was wondering if I could nominate you as a bureaucrat, you've done quite a good job and obviously have a lot of trust amongst the community if you have CheckUser and Admin, you've created some helpful templates and your contributions as administrator and checkuser are nothing less than fantastic, I can think of no reason as to why you aren't deserving of the tools. I thought you were already a crat! :) Regards, Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм | Champagne? 07:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much, but I don't have much need for the crat flag just now. I don't do a whole lot around RFA, Bot Approvals, or renaming requests, which are the main areas crats are supposed to help out at. I appreciate the offer, though! :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok then :) Keep up the good work! Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм | Champagne? 23:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Kind regards and happy editing,
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European Master's Course in Embedded Computing Systems (EMECS)

Will you please provide me with a copy of the deleted article European Master's Course in Embedded Computing Systems (EMECS). I am trying to help a user with why an article was deleted. I would like to have a look at the article. Thanks! Joe Gazz84user•talk•contribs•Editor Review 12:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Normally I'd be willing to in this case, but as the article was deleted for copyright infringement I'm afraid it's a no-go. If it helps, CorenSearchBot said the article was copied from http://mundus.eit.uni-kl.de . In my experience, that bot's correct about 99.9% of the time. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! That mainly was what I was looking for. Thanks again! Joe Gazz84user•talk•contribs•Editor Review 18:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 September 2010

Thanks

Thanks for your email concerning an unblock. I fully accept what you said. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for granting my alternate account (I don't use the first one anymore) rollback rights! (PS, is it okay if I transcribed your welcome message from my old account to my new one? If not, I can remove it.) MM Sepia officinalis (talk) 01:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, I don't mind at all. See you around. Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:56, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Question about SPIs

If I have comments and questions on the current SPI here should I put them on the project page or start a discussion page? I can add more reasons my alarms went off in the Evidence section, but it seems that section might not be the appropriate place to ask questions of Wikipedian05 or the admins who take part in the investigation. Any advice on SPI etiquette would be appreciated (this is the first one I have been involved with). Cheers, Colincbn (talk) 02:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

You can comment in the section you originally posted in. We'll notice them, and comment or respond as needed. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Question about Deletion of Morphlabs Page

I just noticed that you speedily deleted the Morphlabs page I wrote last month because it was not notable. There are many pages devoted to software companies and I was very careful to include attributions and links to external articles and commentary as to why the company is notable. Cloud computing is a rapidly becoming a very hot topic and people are using Wikipedia to get a sense of the vendors vying in this space from a neutral source like Wikipedia.

If you deleted our page as not notable, there must be 100s or 1000s of other pages out there that are not notable either.

Can you please reconsider your reasons for deleting the article? Or offer suggestions for improving the article?

At a minimum, could you send me the text of the article because I can no longer see it or refer to what was offensive to you?

Thumbarger (talk) 02:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)thumbarger

Hello, there were two main reasons why I deleted the page. The first reason was notability; in order to be included on Wikipedia, subjects must meet our general notability guideline, which requires multiple, non-trivial, third-party, reliable references to support the information provided in the article. You did have a number of sources in the article, however one of them was an interview of the company's CEO (this is first-party, as he's directly involved with the company), and another was a blog (not considered to be reliable). The second, larger reason for deleting the article is that it read largely like an advertisement. Wikipedia articles must be presented in a neutral point of view; articles that are very biased in their entirety are subject to deletion. Buzzwords such as "rapid deployment" and "industry-leading cloud standards", superlatives like "most sophisticated", and claims about what the company or its products are able to provide all make the article read very promotionally. From what you've said above, it sounds as though you either work for this company or are otherwise related to them. If this is the case, you have a conflict of interest that may make writing an article about this company, and meeting Wikipedia's standards, very difficult for you. I will not restore the article to the main space, however if you do still wish to work on it after reading through the conflict of interest guideline I just linked to, I can provide a copy of it in your userspace at User:Thumbarger/Morphlabs. Please read through that guideline (and the others I've linked) first, though, and be aware that the article may still be deleted if the issues mentioned are not resolved. Let me know if you still want a copy of the article. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I am a consultant to Morphlabs so I may have a potential conflict of interest. Morphlabs did receive a best of Interop nomination award earlier this year which should qualify it for notability.

In any case, I would like another chance to edit the document to meet the Wikipedia guidelines, so can you please post a copy of the article on my userspace?

Thanks...

Thumbarger (talk) 05:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)thumbarger

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The file Pentagram sigil.png is copyleft 'cause it's a wiccan symbol. In this case, this file has been used by Kouta Hirano in Helsing.

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Please read the notice my bot left you on your Commons talk page. I am not an OTRS volunteer, and cannot help you with this situation. You need to contact OTRS at permissions-commons@wikimedia.org or at commons:COM:OTRS/N. Hersfold (t/a/c) 00:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Whoopdeeda

I disactivated it as a gesture of WP:AGF. He asked to be able to use his main account to reinstate his comments. You will note that I left account creation blocked, which should prevent additional socking. Secondly, if he is socking, the SPI and checkusers can find it. If you want to reblock him with the autoblock back, please do so. You have my permission. I certainly would not take offense. --Jayron32 02:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Most sockmasters won't create accounts while logged in; they'll log out to do so, and with the autoblock disabled, any IP addresses he was on would be able to do that. And speaking as a checkuser, I'd much rather we nip things off at the bud than have to hunt down socks that may or may not exist, especially given the limitations of the tool. Hersfold (t/a/c) 15:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
The checkuser who looked into it informed me via email that he found that Whoopdeeda was using open proxies. He has rangeblocked the open proxy range he was using, so at this point the autoblock, or lack thereof, is moot. --Jayron32 15:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I know, but in that case removing the autoblock doesn't do any good anyway either; on the other hand, the autoblock will reactivate if they switch ranges, but the rangeblock won't follow them. Hersfold (t/a/c) 15:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Azviz

Any response to your e-mail?—Kww(talk) 16:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Right, I'd forgotten about this, I'll reply there soonish. Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
See my response there.—Kww(talk) 18:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Done. Somehow, I expect a shit storm to occur.—Kww(talk) 18:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Right in one, he's already asking to be unblocked. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 September 2010

IP talk page abuse

Regarding this protection, the block is only for six months.--Chaser (talk) 04:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Oops. Thought I'd gotten that. Thanks for the note! Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

c.c My talk page c.c

c.c What happened there? Was it a duck sock of RoT?— Dædαlus Contribs 05:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep, right in one. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:16, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

September 16 - 30

Question

Hiya, I created a Status Template page in my userspace since I didn't want the border (see my userspace for why that was undesirable) but the problem is I Henrik's automod script isn't working, when I click the links they don't seem to work, would you know why this is? Regards, Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм | Champagne? 09:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC) PS. I was wondering if you could add the statuses Sleeping, On a Wikibreak, Away, On Holiday/Vacation and provide extra parameters compatible with Template:UserStatus. Regards, Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм | Champagne? 09:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

For some reason the script acts weird; there are details about it on the page for my template. If you try again in a few months (not kidding) it may work, but it may decide to randomly stop again later on. I've actually considered deleting that template because everyone who tries to use it asks me the same question. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
And as for the extra parameters, I'm not going to add any more to my template. You're welcome to do so to yours; just copy the existing code. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh ok, thanks. Would happen to know why this is? Anyway, thanks for the help, Hersfold. Appreciate it. Regards, —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 08:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Hersfold, a few years ago (right after your RfA) I asked for some tips on moving toward the mop. This morning I nominated myself for it. If you're interested in voicing your opinion I'd appreciate it due to the advice you gave me. --Torchwood Who? (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll probably stop by at some point (likely not tonight, I'm currently in class and have to pretend to pay some attention to the professor). Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI

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Translation

I saw this, and thought "Ooh... I'm not sure I would have done that. I've seen some pretty ugly results from Google translation." JamesBWatson (talk) 09:08, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Generally it seems to be ok, or at least close enough that someone who actually speaks the language can figure it out; Google has done much better than other translators I've seen. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Protected

I protected this page. I just set it to indef so as not to waste time. Unprotect it whenever you like. No need to ask me. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:51, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah... lovely. Vandalism so bad it gets oversighted. I'll probably go ahead and remove it now, since it was a couple hours ago, but I'll have the IRC bot stalk my page for a while just in case. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Instakill

Died 60 seconds after creation. —Jeremy (v^_^v PC/SP is a show-trial!) 05:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Hoorah. Hersfold (t/a/c) 05:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Sock investigation

Hi. Regarding the closure of this case, can you tell me what the conclusion of the investigation was? I'd like to know, because I opened the investigation after this editor came to me asking for help regarding conflict with the anonymous IP editor(s). Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 01:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

You'd have to ask ArbCom; I haven't heard anything back from them about it, nor do I expect to. Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 September 2010

Thanks!

For the quick turnaround on that SPI, and for the unblock decline wording. :) Syrthiss (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Quite welcome. I've never quite understood the point of admitting that you're going to sock; it just puts us on alert. *shrug* Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:38, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


Hi your help would be appreciated!

Hi, I am a writer working on a history of stand-up comedy from 1979 (the year of the famed LA Comedy strike) til now. I have found some of the bios and history on wikipedia particularly useful. One of my chapters is on Legendary Unknowns. I have done live interviews with a number of big-name comedians who have referenced Bill Sohonage in that category. He is referenced as an influence by many comedians, specifically Emo Phillips, Dennis Miller, Lenny Clark, and Dennis Leary. David Brenner called him "the sweetest agent in the world" and a "life-force". They all provided stories of his "absurdist" stand-up skills but then explained his influence as a booking agent and tour manager were what makes him legendary. My contribution is relatively scant, but I was trying merely to flesh in someone I found referenced in a few other wikipedia articles without getting too deep. The Lenny Clark quotation is problematic in that it was a joint interview with Dennis Leary and Lenny Clark, in which according to the original Boston Globe interview they both talked over each other. Well anyway. It is a first contribution and I guess there might be problems but I was just trying to contribute a little something on someone comedy insiders seem to all have a funny story about.

If you can give me some advice on how to fix the article, I would appreciate it.

SincerelyWendy Romage (talk) 13:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, writing a Wikipedia article is very different from writing a book; Wikipedia articles need to be neutral, reliably sourced, and assert that the subject is notable. The deleted article, while it mentioned a few newspaper sources, it didn't provide information about where that information could be found in the source; ideally we need a link or at least a full citation noting where to look to verify the information. It was also not written in a completely neutral manner, with the block of quotes and words like "beloved" and "legendary" casting him in a more positive light than is necessary. Finally, you need to demonstrate that this person is notable; generally this is done by providing enough references (he should be significantly mentioned in multiple reliable sources), although there are a number of other criteria that, if reliably sourced, can suffice. Please read through these links, and that should help. Hersfold (t/a/c) 15:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Photo from Csonka Péter

Hi, I received some concerns from you. You wanna files I uploaded to delete. I received all permession from the owner so pls have one crosscheck for these. I asked Mr. Peter CSONKA to send cc copy to me, so if you want I can send you this e-mail again.

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Regards, Andrew69. (talk) 18:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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Who can use a sockpuppet template?

I noticed that one of the reasons you gave for declining to unblock the editor RoadIslandRed was:

"You are not an SPI clerk nor an admin, and really have no business doing that."

When I look at the sockpuppet template, it says:

"An editor has expressed a concern that this account may be a sock puppet of Username"

The way I read this, it sounds to me that it is a template that any editor may use. If it is a template intended for use only by SPI clerks or admins, perhaps it should be modified to include some text to that effect? Bhimaji (talk) 00:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The point being made there, which I thought was clear, was that that editor had no business involving himself in that particular case. Yes, anyone may tag a sock, but they are generally only used by SPI clerks, admins, and checkusers, users who have experience identifying sockpuppets and are actually able to act on those accounts. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I understand that there were other issues there. My point is that the text of the tag makes it sound like it is a tag explicitly intended for use by editors.
In the real world, if you have a no-contact / restraining order, you will get in trouble for walking up to the person and saying hello, not because there's anything inherently wrong with the actions but because you're supposed to have no contact.
In this case, the way you wrote it made it sound like tagging was (on its own) a minor transgression. If that is the case, then I think that the text of the sockpuppet template should make it clearer who should be using it, and/or there should be some sort of note on the template page making it clear that, while any editor is permitted by mediawiki to use this, it really shouldn't be used by just anybody.
Since the tag actually automatically adds the page to categories, I personally would've thought that the tag was actually quite possibly a way for me to inform other people and bring it to their attention.
My interest in this is extremely simple: I worry when I see people getting in trouble for something I thought I was allowed to do. (Again, I am aware that this is by no means the only thing, but since it seems to be at least partially a contributing factor I'm trying to clarify it) Bhimaji (talk) 20:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The templates should be added only as a result of a sockpuppet investigation; the categories you noted generally aren't checked by users, and in many cases don't exist. You won't get in trouble for it, and I didn't mean to imply that, but depending on the circumstances it may not necessarily be appropriate. The best way to handle a situation with socks is to open an WP:SPI report, and then any socks will get tagged through that investigation. Whether or not that means the template needs rewording, I don't really know, as an editor is expressing a concern through the SPI, and in many cases the socks remain "suspected" even if blocked, because we don't use checkuser in all cases. Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet investigation on User:Ybris0

FYI here some other sockpuppet of him's and 4 I've blocked on it.wiki (you can use SUL as an evidence), have a nice day! PS: feel free to add these infos on SP investigation, I'm not so used to en.wiki's "protocols" to do it by myself ^^ --Vituzzu (talk) 14:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Abuse filters

I noticed a while back you changed some *? to just * in abuse filter regular expressions. While it's too late to do anything about those now, for future reference, *? here is not "optionally zero or more items" which would indeed be redundant, but special syntax for a non-greedy match. While the two expressions match the same thing, the way in which they are evaluated is different, and there can be a significant difference in efficiency; if someone intentionally added *?, it shouldn't be changed by someone who isn't absolutely sure what the syntax means and what they are changing. Thanks Gurch (talk) 15:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks... when was this, though? I haven't done a whole lot with the filters in months. Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Color Question

Hello, I've been trying to find out if the different colors of user names have meanings. Do they indicate some status or other charcteristic ? Thank you for any light you can shed on this. Carroll F. Gray (talk) 02:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

No. Any custom signatures you see are just there for fun. Some users (myself included) have scripts installed to highlight user's names if they do have a particular status - for example, I see links to administrator's user pages highlighted in light blue, blocked user's names are crossed out, and indefinitely blocked users are crossed out in italics - but by default there's no distinction. Hope that helps! Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
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