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Please don't issue bogus "warnings"

Your “warning” was meant, I suppose, to deflect attention from your own conduct. The IP in question – which you supported – has since been blocked for deceptively hiding his/her identity to avoid scrutiny. Though it was completely obvious this was happening even before the block, you nevertheless ignored the warning signs, including the incredibly inappropriate comments the IP sock emitted on talk, comments which you refused to discuss in any way, other than to assert I was wrong to bring them up. Which is curious, isn’t it? I’m wrong to criticize the IP sock’s remarks, but you refuse to say why the IP sock’s remarks are in fact appropriate. Indeed, you kept insisting I “drop it,” which I in fact did – and then you decide to aid this process by… issuing bogus warnings to me? I won’t “warn” you back, but I will offer a piece of unsolicited advice. What you are doing now could be construed as an abuse of your sysop role – indeed, I think it’s quite clear that it is. I highly recommend that you give a serious rethink to your approach here. I’m sorry if I’ve gotten under your skin, but inappropriate threats are an unhelpful reaction. IronDuke 13:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

So now it's "clear ... abuse" of my "sysop role"? You seem to have quite a fertile imagination IronDuke. However, I'm sure you won't be taking any action against me for this alleged "clear abuse", anymore than you were prepared to do more than make insinuations at the I/P page - because you know in either case you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. At this point I am not planning to take this matter further, because I am not a litigious Wikipedian and because I think everyone is entitled to a second chance - even though I'm sure you've been hanging around this project long enough by now to know better. However, I do want to make it clear that I'm not prepared to tolerate being made the subject of completely baseless and offensive insinuations - made the minute I dare venture back momentarily into the IP topic area. As you surely must realize, that is precisely the kind of WP:BATTLEGROUND conduct ARBPIA was established to prevent. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 05:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Will I be "taking action" against you? Not likely. Getting an admin even admonished is very, very difficult on WP. And I'm not particularly wiki-litigious myself. That doesn't mean your behavior here has been acceptable -- it hasn't. And certainly, if it were part of a larger pattern, this incident would be a compelling bit of evidence all on its own. But, following your lead, I am prepared to give you a "second chance." And you should feel free to edit in the I-P area wherever and whenever you like -- I certainly won't be tracking those edits. But if I do encounter you engaging in the same sorts of behavior, I will once again object. If that means you then attempt to engage the cumbersome wiki-bureaucracy to silence me, you're welcome to try. That a tatcic like that shouldn't work doesn't mean it won't. Cheers. IronDuke 20:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

you got cat class and you got cat style

Don't get drawn into his game Gato. Trust the intelligence of even casual readers. Your meaning was clear, and judicious, all strenuous and exasperating innuendo aside.--G-Dett (talk) 00:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL, thanks :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

DYKVerified

[copied this over from my talk for the sake of keeping conversation readable]

Is there a method of adding this script to my toolbox? I'd like to try it out for a while. Gatoclass (talk) 06:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes of course. Just add:
importScript('User:Bawolff/DYKVerified.js');

To special:mypage/monobook.js (change monobook to vector if you use vector, or whatever skin you use). Currently its triggered to look for <span id='DYKUpdateVerified'></span> and replace it with a button (if you have the script installed, it should appear here: ). If you want to add it to a link in the toolbox, just add (in addition to the importScript line): 

addOnloadHook(function () {addPortletLink('p-tb', 'javascript:DYKUpdateVerified();void%200', 'Update DYKVerified');});

Cheers, let me know what you think (the updates will appear in User:Bawolff/DYKVerified) . Bawolff (talk) 07:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I've done that, looking forward to giving it a try :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:35, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

A note

One of the plans after the Arbs moved to ban me was a second mentorship proposal where I would be restricted to article space, not allowed to post on talk pages, not allowed to revert, I could nominate DYK, GAs, and FAs but I couldn't edit in response, and that I'd have a page of admins only that I would request various things and they could either approve or veto with no discussion from me.

As Wizardman said, none of the Arbs voting to ban me thought I deserved it. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, they have looked at all the evidence and I haven't. Personally I would have thought something like that a more appropriate response, I can't see what a ban will achieve, but it looks like they've made their mind up already. Gatoclass (talk) 16:05, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, there were 7 active people really. 2 should have recused. They ignored both mentorship plans. The chat proves that they made up their minds before anything was said. The finding of facts doesn't verify a ban. You'd think they would pad it with some real problems - try to find edit warring, some real nastiness, or something. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:18, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
As I said, unlike them, I have not reviewed all the evidence. But we do seem to have swung from an arbcom that didn't do enough about problems, to one that sometimes overreacts. I tend to think that our entire dispute resolution system is too arbitrary, problems will often fester interminably with no effective action taken at all, until finally when action is taken, it's too harsh. Personally, I've often thought it would make more sense to have some sort of graded sanction system so that sanctions get progressively harsh as offences are repeated. I mean, in a real judicial system, one has set penalties for offences, not normally a situation where a judge can hand out anything from a parking ticket to a hangman's noose depending on the prevailing mood.
In your case, it seems to me that as there is a general consensus you've made a worthwhile contribution to mainspace, it would make more sense to allow you to continue to edit but to tighten up the conditions for participation elsewhere. My impression is that the main problem is that you don't know when to walk away from a dispute, so if admins were empowered to hand out short blocks or bans when you were filibustering, it would probably address 90% of the problem. I'm suprised that arbcom has decided to go further - particularly when the community itself seemed to have accepted the less draconian solution - but that's the chance one takes at RFAR. Gatoclass (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Regardless, take care. Though we fought over the little things, I think it was the right choose to support your adminship because you do a lot of good for DYK. :) Take care. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Or, what I said before: "Support My experience with Gatoclass has proven that he is fair, neutral, and tries to go out of his way to help the project. This alone would make a good admin. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)"
- Ottava Rima (talk) 16:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your review of Cyber Rights, and the kind comment. Much appreciated. :) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 18:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


Balinese history

'Puputan' - try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Per_Honor_et_Gloria - thats where the comment came from SatuSuro 09:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

You mean, that's where the article came from? Okay, but the article talk page is also a legitimate place for such a query. Gatoclass (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Of course it is - I agree entirely - but in this case I did nothing to his text - and in the Indonesian project we are often visited by fly by editors - who dump articles (or attempts) and are never seen again - so there is a certain level of skepticism on my part in relation to expecting a reply within a reasonable amount of time, unfortunately SatuSuro 09:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I am proved wrong - it has been noted and changed - I will gladly eat my own edits with vasts amount of christmas pudding on that one SatuSuro 06:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

DYKVerified

Currently it does not copy stuff in the section Older nominations Since i assumed they are no longer of interest (being older and all). The original version of the script did not copy the holiday section, that should be fixed now (do a hard refresh to make the script update itself). Does that account for all the missing entries? or are there more still missing? Bawolff (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks, Nobo, same to you :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:42, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Design 1105 ship

I noticed you created the Design 1013 ship article, and wondered whether you could do the same for the Design 1105 ship. I've just got as far as Empire Buffalo (ex Eglantine) in the Empire B ships and found that this ship was a Design 1105 ship. I've started a template in my sandbox, please feel free to tweak it as necessary. I'm not sure that the link to the list of US Navy auxilary ships is correct here. Mjroots (talk) 08:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm a little busy right now but I could probably whip one up sometime over the next few days if you can wait that long. Gatoclass (talk) 10:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Of course I can wait. I just need the template up and running (and added to the existing linked ship's page), article can wait a few days. Mjroots (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I see what you mean about the list of aux. ships - but I notice they are also on the Design 1013 ships template, and they were not strictly speaking auxiliary ships either. So perhaps some other list would be more appropriate. Anyhow, I guess it won't hurt to have the aux. ships list there until a more appropriate list can be found. Gatoclass (talk) 12:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Maybe a link to Skinner & Eddy would be more appropriate? Mjroots (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that would work, there were half a dozen companies that built 1013s. Gatoclass (talk) 14:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
But only Skinner & Eddy built the 1105s? Mjroots (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm not really sure what the bottom link is supposed to be reserved for anyway - or even if it's required. But I was just thinking, maybe in this case it should be for a "List of USSB freighters" or something? Of course, someone would eventually have to create such a list for the link ... Gatoclass (talk) 15:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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Did you mean this book on Marine steam engine?

Hi, you added a <ref> tag with the name sennettoram12 to Marine steam engine, but it didn't work correctly, because there was no reference in that article with this name yet. I fixed that, but I want to make sure I did it correctly. Did you mean page 12 of the book Sennett, R.; Oram, H. J. (1911). The Marine Steam Engine. ASIN B0029KWE4E.? Svick (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for advice

Hi Gatoclass,

I am writing to ask you for some advice about how to proceed to have the actions User:Sandstein over the last two days reviewed. I'm not sure if you have been following what has happened, but a couple of days ago, Sandstein topic-banned User:Nableezy for another two months based on this WP:AE report. As you can see by the ensuing discussion on his talk page here, seven editors have expressed their shock/disagreement/dismay regarding the decision, which came only a couple of days after Nableezy's last controversial two-month topic ban had ended. The ostensible infraction was two edits Nableezy made over a month ago to the Jonathan Cook AfD, restoring the comments of Nishidani and Nickhh, which other editors had deleted, citing their topic bans as a rationale.

Following this newest topic ban, Nableezy made a poor decision to issue a legal threat to Sandstein, so that he would block him. He was blocked indefinitely by Chillum, with said block lifted by Gwen Gale after he retracted the threat and apologized. Nableey put a retirement template on his page and stopped editing altogether after that. Until today, when he filed a sockpuppet investigation report against Lovely Day350. He was then blocked for 24 hours by Sandstein for violating his topic ban. (See User talk:Nableezy). He is now talking about coming out of retirement to protest Sandstein's actions against him.

I was wondering how best to proceed with getting a review of the entire situation. I believe Sandstein has abused his admin tools in placing the topic ban and subsequent block on Nableezy. I say this because he effectively wheel-warred a prior decision by Tznaki in which he decline to take action regarding Nableezy's edits to the Jonathan Cook AfD, in a complaint filed on that issue previously (See here.) I realize this is a long, complicated story and that you are quite busy with other things (as we all are). However, any advice you have on how best to approach this issue would be deeply appreciated.

Thanks. Tiamuttalk 18:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is a draft rundown of what has happened User:Tiamut/Sandstein's ban of Nableezy. Its still missing some diffs, but you can get an idea of the general sketch. Tiamuttalk 22:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Replied via email. Gatoclass (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply Gatoclass. FYI, Nableezy has decided to file an appeal at AE. Tiamuttalk 21:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

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My RfA

Hi Gato. I just wanted to say (a somewhat belated) thanks for your vote of confidence at my RfA. It was nice to see how many editors - from DYK and elsewhere - that I respect remembered my edits. I've been toying with the idea of getting involved there again when I have the time to dive into the guidelines and work out what's changed since I left, so maybe I'll see you around. Cheers, Olaf Davis (talk) 22:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Armenian National Football team

Hello,

Could you please help me, Armenian users keep preventing me to add historical score, when Armenia national football team did lost in 1997, to Georgia, which was their heaviest loss next to Chile game. Big thanks.--NovaSkola (talk) 04:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal

After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;

  • gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and

DYK noms

PFH, would you mind if I asked you to quit adding noms to the DYK Suggestions page for a while? We have a ridiculous backlog, and we just don't need any extra noms right now. Gatoclass (talk) 08:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Sir. I'm not supposed to be online today, anyway.... Have fun with the backlog. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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DYK Queue 4

Hi mate, picking on you fairly randomly and because there's no talk page in the relevant spot, but in DYK Queue 4, the first hook that's there had an alt by Art LaPella and myself that read...

...which on reflection I think reads much better than my original that's made its way into the queue, even though it omits the bit about plane damage (four bullets going harmlessly though a flying suit seems interesting enough). Ultimately up to the DYK admins but I'd suggest using the alt instead. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Argh drama

So I told another editor I would back off on the AE but really wanted to respond to your last comment. It is directed towards you and not the AE so this is the best place anyways. You, being so heavily involved in the military project and as a hopefully example setting admin, should be stoked to see an editor who has spent time improving Wikipedia's coverage of military history. You are supposed to be better than throwing accusations at other editors with the responsibility you have earned (The one you made towards me was somewhat understandable and only slightly less annoying) So start acting like it.Cptnono (talk) 15:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) As it happens, I have refactored my initial comment, as I felt it was a tad harsh given that Juijitsuguy has only about 1,000 edits - although he has been here almost six months. I can't respond to your comments re the quality of his editing since I've only glanced at his work, but certainly I'm prepared to AGF without evidence to the contrary that he's been a worthwhile contributor. My comment at AE is only in regards to his description of himself as "uninvolved", which is clearly not accurate given his editing history. But while constructive feedback is always welcome here, the patronizing tone is not. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh and in regards to my comment at AE to you, as you may have noticed, I refactored that long ago, without any prompting on your part or anyone else's. It would have been nice to get some credit for doing so, rather than a belated brickbat, but I guess that's par for the course in this topic area. Gatoclass (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I actually had not noticed until just now. I want to give you a hard time for being a dick in the first place but I have refactored my comments in the past as well. It happens. Your last comment at the other article was again a little off but not too bad. If you have thoughts on how to improve an article I think a different perspective is always a good thing.Cptnono (talk) 11:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I think all of us tend to overreact a little from time to time, and at other times we just fail to express ourselves accurately. The important thing is to recognize when it happens and refactor when necessary. Thanks for the response. Gatoclass (talk) 12:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries. I am the first to be a dickhead usually so no problem with saying how you feel.Cptnono (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

HMS Wolverine/Wolverene

Hi Gatoclass, I did the write-up on the ship and the question bothered me too. I have checked the two primary sources (Colledge and Winfield), and there was only Wolverine. Problem was, at that time spelling was perhaps a little less rigid than today. (I am reminded of Mark Twain's (AFAIK), "It's a pretty poor mind that can't think of three or four ways to spell something.") The Wolverine/Wolverene situation is not unique. Try Sybille/Sibylle/Sibyl. And there are others. regards,Acad Ronin (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

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Carrie Jones

Hi. Thanks for your tweaks to the Carrie Jones article. Hope you liked reading it. -- James26 (talk) 04:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, nice little read, thanks :) Gatoclass (talk) 14:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Woodson

I respect your judgment, and if that is the consensus will cheerfully abide by it. Question -- would you have the same objection to a sentence here, augmented w/a quote from the store's spokesman?--Epeefleche (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Re the store addition - I would have to say yes. Thus far the guy has only been charged with illegal possession, which is a very common crime, and not even convicted of anything. Should there be a list of every criminal incident involving a QuickChek store? I think it will be better to wait and see how the case against this person transpires before adding anything about the incident to the encyclopedia. Gatoclass (talk) 13:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, its a bit more than that, but that may not sway your judgment. Have you seen the article that was AfD'd? If not, its here.--Epeefleche (talk) 14:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that it's not a trivial possession case, and that there is some disturbing circumstantial evidence, but ultimately it's still only a guy arrested for possession at this stage. Gatoclass (talk) 14:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
With admitted intent to commit a violent act. With military-grade weapons the prosecutor indicates are highly unusual there (though not in Afghanistan). With the detailed map, which led to an immediate call to the Fort. With worldwide coverage (approaching 10 countries), and hundreds of news articles in just a week (you didn't have the benefits of see the refs to them at the AfD). So, there is a bit more than "just a guy arrested for possession" at this stage. No? And the hundreds of articles that mention Quickchek and Woodson together this week are more than the articles that mentioned Quickchek in all of last year.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
No, because all sorts of rumours can fly around in the early days of a case like this. This is an encyclopedia, we can't create articles based on speculation or presumptions about the degree of someone's guilt or innocence here. If this guy turns out to be notable in some way, there will be plenty of time to create an article about him. In the meantime, he gets the benefit of the protections inherent in WP:BLP just like anyone else. Gatoclass (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, not going to beat a dead horse, so this will be my last comment and I will go away and give it a think. But I'm not clear from your comment that mine was understood. Nothing I alluded to is speculation or rumour. I did not allude to his guilt or innocence. I just alluded to the facts. As they were reported in RSs. And the level of coverage of the facts (and the level of coverage relative to all other coverage mentioning the company). People aren't just notable once/if they are convicted, of course, they are notable if they attract coverage. But here we're not speaking of AfD notability, but rather whether a sentence (which could be ref'd to over 300 articles) is a reasonable one.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Facts are fine but not when they are used to jump to conclusions. It's for the prosecutors to determine what the conclusions will be, and I think we can afford to wait until they have done so. Gatoclass (talk) 15:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Henry Martin Tupper DYK hook

Could you possibly re-review the Henry Martin Tupper DYK hook? I have provided two additional sources which directly confirm the hook and should alleviate your concerns. They sources have been added to the article directly after the sentance they support. If you need additional sources, could you let me know so I can add them? Thanks! --Jayron32 15:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Queue 3 update

Hi Gatoclass. Would you mind taking a look at Queue 3 that I had recently moved over from the preparation area and see if had been done properly. It looks like MS had already protected a cropped image, so that should already be fine also. First Queue and all :) Thanks in advance. Calmer Waters 19:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Parma (barque)

I take it you mean the "Official Numbers and Code Letters" section by your comment. I don't see how that info can really fit into either the description or history sections. Maybe it could be renamed "Identification" and reworded? Mjroots (talk) 06:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

It justs seems to me you don't need to include it in individual ship articles when it's already in the infobox. Why not just leave a link in the infobox to a small article about code numbers and letters? Then you won't have to duplicate the same information in article after article. Gatoclass (talk) 08:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Which means a ref in the infobox. I thought an infobox was akin to the lede, containing a concise summary of info presented in the article. Mjroots (talk) 08:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't see why you need a "ref". Just a link to the words "Code Letters" in the infobox, would do the job. Gatoclass (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Linking to the article isn't the problem. But if I state that Parma had the Code Letters RBWN and OHQQ at different times without a ref in the infobox, how can a reader check this? Mjroots (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Well, what's wrong with that? I often put cites into the infobox. In fact, some people cite every single statistic in the infobox! I don't do that myself, but for things that aren't referred to in the article itself, I do. Gatoclass (talk) 13:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Kundalini Yoga

Would like to discuss your addition of "Kundalini syndrome" to the Kundalini Yoga page. This connection is not substantiated, and also, it is a misnomer... If you had checked the Kundalini syndrome page which you cross-linked (un-referenced), you would see that it is poorly referenced, single-source article posting, that additionally has been recommended for deletion and needing professional verification. The entire existence or validation of such a 'syndrome' itself is questionable at best. Additionally, Kundalini Yoga and Kundalini syndrome are only associated because of the word "Kundalini", which is used by both names, but the meaning is different. Kundalini Syndrome only associated by a small number of non-scientific claims related to the entirety of spiritual practices, and therefore equally relates to any practice, Hatha yoga, buddism, qi gong, etc. Therefore it's not appropriate to include this reference, especially on the front page of "Kundalini Yoga", unless you aim to include this in ALL spiritual practice pages. If you look at the "Kundalini syndrome" page, it is NOT associated with "Kundalini Yoga" per se, but just "Kundalini energy". Thanks.--Fatehji (talk) 08:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Additionally just deleting the header call for 'professional validation' of the article Kundalini syndrome just for its being "old tag" (November 2008) doesn't make sense if the article still hasn't been validated [[1]]. What should instead be deleted is the article itself. It is terribly unprofessional. At the very least, you should have just updated the date on the header tag.--Fatehji (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
If you have an issue with my edits, please discuss them on the article talk page where everyone can participate. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I have tried to do this, but it appears you have consistently neglected to approach changes and discussions on the talk page before taking personal action and edits.

Furthermore and as per this point, you have taken a stance which disagrees with only this article, but not the way such articles are presented in other yoga forms (see [talk page] please). Your edits constitute [Undue Weight] and demonstrate an outright act of [Content Forking], both of which are worrisome.

By including sections on the subject of "dangers" of yoga and attempting to relate yoga to a culturally-bound syndrome called "physio-kundalini energy syndrome", you are attempting to relate studies of psychiatric literature and information from writers in the fields of transpersonal psychology and near-death studies to a particular form of yoga. This is an idiosyncratic contribution and POV opinion which is not informative, and misleading to the topic of yoga as a holistic system of self-improvement (see talk page).

Please do not continue to replace this information. Third party opinion has already been established, and if you continue to take a POV stance on this further action will be taken.--Fatehji (talk) 16:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Timezone

Could you have a look at prep1, which is to go for Q4 (UTC 00:00). What do you think about presence of local hooks there (which are in a dead night for their time)? Just wanted your relaxed opinion, as I am actually not worried about those things and reshuffle only when get in a mood for that :-) As long as we are here, another question, would you agree with my planned demotion of the lead in prep2? (not an approval request, but why not discussing things sometimes). PS As it happens, I misread pm for am in queue 4 which obliterates my first question above (sorry, unfortunately, such blunders do happen with me), though it might remain as a hypothetical if prep1 were going to an UTC 00:00 zone. Materialscientist (talk) 01:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Prep 2 is a pretty weak lead by the look of it, neither a good image or article, so I'm sure you won't have a problem finding a better one :) Gatoclass (talk) 01:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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Edit Assistance Please

Don't seem to be able to figure some small editing flag to place pictures correctly. Could you help? This is for the article on tuff-e-nuff (tugboat). Is there a better way to ask you questions then this page? Thanks! Cknerr (talk) 20:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Heyo. You were correct. The link that I had to Luttwak's comment was a dead link. Apparently, JPost updated its web page. Now all links to the old format are re-directed to the current addition of the Jpost. I don't know why that is but it's unfortunate. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up. Respectfully,--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Problems at Kundalini yoga

Hi, Gatoclass. I've responded to your last comment at the talk page. In case you can't find it, it's buried under here inside the continuing avalanche of comments by the other editor. The jist is this: a history section is needed in the article; only the highest quality references can be used; only people who are noted in those references as particularly notable (for both good or bad) can be mentioned; if problems of propaganda or inappropriate endorsements result, than the article can be protected. It's the same approach we have used for other contentious articles on religious movements, like all the Scientology articles. Anyway, that's my opinion, for what it's worth. Cheers. — CactusWriter | needles 20:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

gateclass, for your own good please stay away from the Kundalini Yoga page. Your contribution are not contributions at all, but worthless haggling over stuff that's way over your head. Stick to ships and bacon strips until you can actually contribute instead of just obfuscate.--66.65.62.138 (talk) 02:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Schloss vs grape, DYK prep area 2

Of course I am biased, but I think the picture of Schloss Johannisberg for Rheingau Musik Festival would tell a bit more than that of another grape. Please have a look - I ask you because I saw your name close by, - please let me know also whom I should address as the editor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Presumably you are asking me to swap the lead hook over. I'm afraid I can't agree to do that. The existing lead is a very comprehensive article and yours is less so. The only images that seem to be available for the festival hook are building hooks, and we feature lots and lots of them. Also, the images are quite small and will be smudges at 100px. So there is really no reason at all I can see for swapping the lead. Sorry, Gatoclass (talk) 11:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining, understand. I would like to invite you to come to a unique building with lots of music some day, also to the world heritage site Lorch and the many other locations. Information about the festival appears in articles of artists and places, work in progress. - Also: no image would fit Schloss Johannisberg vinyard better than that of a grape, smile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
As a token of thanks for your attention I would like to show you a close look at the altar piece in Lorch, as I did to my praiseworthy copy-editor who "traveled" a lot to polish several German towns. Btw the logo of the Rheingau Musik Festial is a - grape! (The altar piece can be seen in the ref of Lorch, Hesse) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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Frank Freeman buildings

I do live in New York and close enough to the city to get there and back in a day, and I do that frequently enough, but honestly the person who could really get you this would be Dmadeo, who's photographed a lot of the NYC NRHP lists. He lives in Manhattan and getting over to Brooklyn would be a snap (ahem) for him.

If he can't do it, I can suggest other people in the city. Daniel Case (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City would be a better venue for finding someone to take these pictures. Anyway I've got business on Jay Street on Sunday and was already planning to snap the Crescent Athletic Club House afterwards and now I see we've got a few new Brooklyn articles (some lacking Brooklyn inlinks and categories) each having a lovely old picture that could use a new picture in addition. The eastern and central Brooklyn ones will have to wait for bicycling weather (at least, if they must wait for me) but I visit Downtown about once a month even in winter. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I managed to score a couple of new pictures from Flickr members last night, for the Herman Behr Mansion and Eagle Warehouse, so no need to worry about those anymore. The existing Crescent Club image I'm quite happy with, as it's an aerial shot that would probably be hard to duplicate, but I'm happy to see what you can come up with.
What I could really use is a photo of Villa Maria in Water Mill, there are virtually no images of this building on the net at all. But I guess that's a little further away from where you are. Gatoclass (talk) 02:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Good going with the Flickr work. User:Americasroof is the only Wikphotographer I know who spends much time in the Hamptons, so he's the one to contact. I went there every summer until a couple years ago when family business started interfering. Surprizing that nobody got the Eagle Warehouse long ago, not even me. Further east targets are to be expected misses. One of the first things come warm weather, I'll bike along Bedford Avenue and snap up a landmarked armory and other items on the way. Tomorrow I'll be afoot in Downtown Brooklyn unless I rise early enough to bike there in time. Prime target after my morning appointment is St Ann's and Holy Trinity Church, of which we have pix but all dreadful, especially mine (the lovely 150 year old pic in the article is the wrong building). That's in the heart of the Brooklyn Heights Historic District which has a few targets that I might as well snap for comparison with pictures made by more skillful minds in the 19th century. And for the geotags. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: DYK: Greater Austin

Thanks for looking at the nomination. I replied to your comments on the nomination page.

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Key Largo Woodrat

Darn, I thought I was going to get away with it... Drmies (talk) 21:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK: Bernard-Anselme d'Abbadie de Saint-Castin

Thanks for your comments. I have addressed the issues you pointed out on the nominations page. Arctic Night 06:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, now it's fixed :) Thanks for seeing through my stupidity! Arctic Night 09:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Bradford Scobie

"A donut a day keeps the doctor away".

C'mon, Gatoclass, really? I have great respect for you as an editor, so I hope you're being playful and were pulling my leg with that last comment. I KNOW YOU KNOW whether it was a birthday party, a moon launch, a pie-eating contest, or a bar mitzvah is totally irrelevant. There are actually very few things one can do to make one notable. It's usually about who notes it and how. Fine, the DYK nomination has been withdrawn. Fine, the article is slightly anemic. Fine, his notability is just the minimum for inclusion. But please avoid exaggerating the article's deficiencies as if I need to be reprimanded for subordination or something. If you're not kidding me, at least a little, it's like your going out of your way to send the message that my contributions aren't wanted and I don't know that I've done anything to warrant that. --Griseum (talk) 08:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, goodness me, certainly not. All I intended to do was clarify my own position. I think we are entitled to have a good faith disagreement as to what may or may not constitute notability now and then :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes we are, we are! Enjoy the donuts (sorry they're not really fresh) and keep up the good work at DYK. --Griseum (talk) 18:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Priwall

I've amended the article and hook at DYK in response to your comments. Mjroots2 (talk) 13:13, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK

Hi, I saw that you are active on DYK. Could I bother you to look at (and possibly ok) Natural language understanding from Feb 20? It had a couple of questions and they have been answered now, so it seems ready to go. Thank you. History2007 (talk) 17:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Unbalanced

(pasting a reply which I wrote anyway :) .. on mine too. Something changed in the TFA or ITN recently - their relative length was very different. Anyway, less than an hour for the next DYK update. Unexpected changes in various sections + strong screen resolution dependence make it a nightmare. Materialscientist (talk) 11:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Huskies of Honor

Hello. I submitted a proposed Did You Know hook under the February 11 section for Huskies of Honor. The reviewer commented that the hook was not directly mentioned/cited in the article; I expanded the supporting text (in an image caption) and pointed out the two references that support the hook. Would you mind reviewing and letting me know if there's any other action I need to take? I just want to make sure that I have the chance to address any concerns before the hook is archived. Thanks. –Grondemar 13:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Herman Behr Mansion 141/3 DYKs

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DYK for Eagle Warehouse (142/3 DYKs)

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DYK for Crescent Athletic Club House (143/3 DYKs)

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Brooklyn Union Gas Company Headquarters

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Villa Maria

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Curious about access to Google Books

Hi, Gatoclass. I'm curious to know why you couldn't access the Google Books link I cited in my hook suggestion at DYK ([5]). Do you know what limits your access? (And, BTW, thanks for reviewing it, and for all the work that you do at DYK...) --Orlady (talk) 14:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the reason I can't open it is probably because I don't live in the United States. Google differs in what it allows readers to see based on their IP addresses, there are lots of books I don't have access to on Google. Gatoclass (talk) 14:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that explains it. I'm well aware that some content is restricted by geography. --Orlady (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Are there books that you can access by virtue of not living in the US? (Of course, how would you know.) Still, if so, that would be interesting. It would give me something to check into when I am on a business trip and have down time. Regards,Acad Ronin (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Freeman

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DYK for Germania Club House

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DYK for Thomas Jefferson Association Building

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DYK for Brooklyn Waterworks

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bushwick Democratic Club House

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DYK for Brooklyn Savings Bank (building)

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DYK for Hotel Margaret (152/3 DYKs)

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Your DYK suggestion for the page List of New York Legislature members expelled or censured

Hello Gatoclass, I hope you are doing well. ;) I took your DYK suggestion, and removed the entry from the list page, as you had recommended. Please see Template_talk:Did_you_know#List_of_New_York_Legislature_members_expelled_or_censured. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 16:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could revisit this? ;) Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 23:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Bacon Deluxe

I can't disagree with your comment. In my defense, I hardly ever eat fast food, and I haven't been inside a Wendy's in the last decade or so--but man that looks revoltingly good! (Can you tell I'm trying to kick a bad habit?) Drmies (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I admit it does look good, at least at 100 x 100 pixels :) Gatoclass (talk) 17:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh man, I'm actually surprised that I am not totally disgusted with myself, after a Double Baconator Combo. I may have fallen into another addiction. Oh, the pictures on the Wendy's website look at lot better than the real thing, of course. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines DYK nom

Could you please kindly look at Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines DYK nomination? Thanks in advance. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

WT:DYK hoax thread

don't want to spam that page anymore. Just a note - frankly, you (and Ucucha) are best DYK reviewers these months; I am proud of your work, and you should be proud too and ignore all those "DYK critics" outright. New bot is up, number of noms dropped from 330+ to maybe 230+, the hoaxer is caught and blocked, and .. life is not that bad :-) Materialscientist (talk) 10:16, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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DYK

Hey. I see you at DYK a lot, so I thought I'd ask for a second opinion on this DYK. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

re List of New York Legislature members expelled or censured

Perhaps you could suggest an alternate hook? The majority of people on this list page have long ceased being, many of them over a hundred years ago. I worked very hard on researching this page. Every single fact on the page is backed up to multiple WP:RS sources. A similar page exists, called List of United States senators expelled or censured. Please, I request that you consider suggesting an alternate hook, that is more to your satisfaction. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Update: I have proposed an ALT hook. It is about a fact pertaining to an expulsion from the New York State Senate, which occurred in 1781. The individual Senator involved died in 1785. That is over 200 years ago. Hopefully this one is more to your liking? Cirt (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Comment: Gatoclass, I must admit I am quite frustrated and confused with your repeated comments, and refusal to defer to consensus on this issue. You were the one who suggested to me to bring the matter from T:DYK, to WT:DYK, for further discussion, 06:26, 6 March 2010. Then, when consensus goes against your POV, you propose bringing it to yet another forum, 19:53, 8 March 2010. If you were just going to oppose majority consensus at WT:DYK no matter what, then it was frustrating that you suggested that I bring the matter there in the first place. Your actions seem to contradict each other. Compare this to when I have opened Article-Content-RFCs in the past on various issues, and I have deferred to the majority consensus outcome of the RFCs, even if it goes against my initial preference for the particular articles, because that was the majority consensus outcome of the RFCs. Cirt (talk) 20:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Gatoclass, my sense is that you were the most-strongly opposed to this. Are you satisfied with the discussions that have occurred at T:TDYK, WT:DYK, and WP:BLPN and the changes made to the article as a result? Do you find the ALT4 hook that I suggested here acceptable? If not, are there additional changes (either to the article or the hook) that you feel are needed? Thanks, cmadler (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Filipino cartoon and animation

I need assistance at this DYK nom. I've put so much effort on it only to fall so short. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Marine steam engine

Hi. Thought you might be interested in the {{external media}} template. It seemed entirely appropriate here. I tried to place it on the left, but Firefox and IE gave wildly different and equally unacceptable results, and the right-hand 'stack' was the safe compromise. -- EdJogg (talk) 11:20, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

John Evan Thomas (1810 - 1873)

DYK expansion 10 March: Please could you kindly take a look at this? I usually come up with nice new big articles, but this one has been a hasty expansion by me, and I'm wondering what is the minimum quality requirement for DYK. Thank you.--Storye book (talk) 12:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no "minimum quality requirement" at DYK, it's just a matter of common sense. The article looks fine to me. Gatoclass (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
However, you may want to bear in mind that the article is going to become very visible all of a sudden, so you probably want it to look its best. Holt Manufacturing Company, which I helped with recently, went from an average of about 100 views per day to 4200 views while visible as a (lead) DYK. I've applied a few tweaks to help out. sorry for butting in! -- EdJogg (talk) 13:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Incidentally, as the article was created the day before your expansion it will qualify for DYK on both counts! Good luck. -- EdJogg (talk) 13:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
No problem Ed, but DYK articles do not have to be perfect to be featured. DYK is for articles only five days old so we don't expect them to be perfect. Part of the reason they are featured is so that other users can improve them, as you did with Holt Manufacturing Company :) We have neither the same rules nor the same purpose as GA, as long as DYK submissions meet certain minimum standards they will generally be featured. Gatoclass (talk) 13:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you both for your kind help. EdJogg, thanks for the tweaks - I removed "medievalised" which was not necessary to the article anyway. Thanks again.--Storye book (talk) 13:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
That's OK. Happy to help. Expanded my knowledge as I'd never have come across the article in my usual haunts!
Gatoclass, the editor of the HMC article also suggested he was going to put it up for GAC in due course, so there was a double reason for the reviewing. But I accept all your points: there's no need to polish a DYK candidate article, but I tend to aim for 'completion' out of a sense of pride in my work, I guess. -- EdJogg (talk) 14:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
For my own articles, I do tend to work pretty hard on them before submitting them to DYK, but I can hardly impose my own personal standards on other users :) Gatoclass (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Please could somebody kindly review the above article for DYK? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 21:53, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
The article certainly looks long enough, and both hooks have inline citations. Unfortunately the first hook is too long (by about eight words -- the guide limit is 200 characters, I think), so I've had a go at shrinking it (see ALT2), but it's hard work. Don't worry that no-one has commented on the DYK suggestion page yet. That can be a good sign. If you want more feedback than this, I think you may have to ask elsewhere, as we've both looked over the article and reckon it's OK as it is. :o) -- EdJogg (talk) 01:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, your new hook is fine. Sorry, I wasn't asking for more advice on the article - just whether someone might give it a tick or cross. I'll be patient! Thanks again for your kind help.--Storye book (talk) 10:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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English is not my first language. I have no experience in writing political articles. Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948) was my very first. Instead of wp:AGF, and maybe helping me to improve the prose, you called my article a "rant", which I consider to be a personal attack.It is not the way to proceed, not for administrators anyway.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Cattle and Cane

What does NOTOC mean? Dan arndt (talk) 07:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - thought that somehow along the way I had erred in writing the article. Dan arndt (talk) 08:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

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Please do not

I believe your comment about the article neutrality at DYK nomination is dishonest, and is not in the right place. The article is about Kennedy and his writing on the issue. The article is supported by quite of few reliable sources. POV tag was removed few days ago. It was rewritten by quite a few other editors, one of which even changed his vote. I know you just do not like it. You called it a rant, you told me I made Kennedy "sound like a cheerleader for Zionism" .Guess what, Kennedy was a strong supporter of Israel. Please see that pro-Arab book page 651. I suggest you either come up with some differences that are in your opinion POV at the article discussion page, where it belongs, or retract your statement from DYK nomination. Your conduct there is not acceptable for anybody, and most of all for admins. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Response on Johnnie Bassett March 17th DYK Nomination

I've added a reference ("Smokey Robinson & The Miracles" - Hall of Fame Foundation) that details "Got a Job" as being their debut album. I have responded at the nomination. SilverserenC 16:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Response on Norrie May-Welby March 17th DYK Nomination

I have expanded the article to 2436 characters, well above the requirement for DYK. Please recheck it. I have responded on the nomination. SilverserenC 17:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Not in the text books

This one is not in any of my text books, and it's getting close to April. Worth keeping an eye open, though I could be wrong . . .--Storye book (talk) 18:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The genus definitely exists. Ucucha 23:00, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes I agree now; it's OK.--Storye book (talk) 10:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks and kudos for your frequent contributions to the DYK process and other things you do for Wikipedia. Just cos your so reliable doesn't mean we don't see the effort you put in...people do notice! - Victuallers (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2010 (UTC))
Thanks Vic, very much appreciated :) Gatoclass (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Help please

Hi again. I note that you are an admin. When you have a minute could you please run your eye over the discussion on this and make a decision one way or the other. The process is dragging on a bit now. Your help would be much appreciated by all involved. Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Great Job!

In 1948 Kennedy visited Palestine, and fell in live with Jewish state. In 1968 he was killed because in 1948 he visited Palestine and fell in love with Jewish state, in 2010 you killed my dyk nomination because in 1968 Robert Kennedy was killed because in 1948 he visited Palestine and fell in love with Jewish state. Great job! Congratulations!--Mbz1 (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Don't be such a drama queen. And try taking some personal responsibility. The article did not fail because I opposed it, it failed because you did not take sufficient care to NPOV it. In the end there were more than 20 editors who opposed this article. Gatoclass (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
It has absolutely nothing to do with drama. I was simply referring to that as to striking similarity to the real life events. You also were not brave enough to simply decline the nomination. Instead you have chosen to kill it from behind the corner. BTW one editor, who voted for "strong deletion" of the article still cannot get over that they were not allowed to add to Tony Blair article that Tony "Blair has been a long time member of the Zionist Lobby group". I would not be surprised, if you are to help that editor "to fix" Tony Blair article :) And it was my last message here.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

April Fools DYK

Hi, i see that you are working on the April Fools DYKs right now. I was wondering if you would like to build or help build the queues. I have never created a queue before, and we really should have about 24hours to let people check to make sure they are kosher and all. I am on now and would love to help, i just am worried about doing it myself.--Found5dollar (talk) 01:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

He basicly said that he lets other people make the queues unless no one does, then he will. So i guess i will just try my hand at building them then... please check them to make sure they work.--Found5dollar (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Ok, it is just you are the 3rd editor that has helped out with April Fools that also is involved with regular DYK that i have asked, and the third one that doesn't want to create the queues. I am just worried that they will not get built in time for people to take a look and make sure everything is ok with them. --Found5dollar (talk) 02:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
hahaha, yeah, sure, plenty of time. --Found5dollar (talk) 02:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
hehe, yeah i was just joking. I just hope it is sooner rather than alter so that other people get a chance to see the hooks before they go up.--Found5dollar (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
How's this, i will try to create the queues in my sandbox so that i do not screw with the page. i'll let you know when i am done and see if i did an ok enough job. If it isn't good, no skin off anyones back, if it is then we can use them.--Found5dollar (talk) 02:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Ok, done. go check it out!--Found5dollar (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry... i thought that scotland and england were considered two different places. Just consider it a jumping off point hehe--Found5dollar (talk) 04:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Yup. All the Verified hooks. (i excluded the Dmitry Medvedev one due to bad taste considering what happened in russia today)--Found5dollar (talk) 04:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
If i did a poor job, it's cool. it was fun and gave me somethign to do that wasn't work hehehe.--Found5dollar (talk) 04:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

(indent) woah, so you think these queues are ok? i'll put them on the AF DYK page for a bit to see of anyone has anythign to say about them first if so.--Found5dollar (talk) 04:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha, ok thanks, i'll take that as a compliment hehe. I'll put this up on the AFDYK page so that real editors can tweak and fix.--Found5dollar (talk) 04:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
you really like that cradle picture? If i was changing the pic i would use Sidney Edgerton instead. just a quick 3 cents thrown in. --Found5dollar (talk) 14:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It's just a picture of a guy. What's funny about that? Everyone will want to click on the wife-soothing cradle pic. Gatoclass (talk) 14:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Fair enough. I just thought the other hook was far more funny.--Found5dollar (talk) 14:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, each to his own, that one really didn't tickle my fancy. But it's still just as funny when it's not in the lead. Whereas I'm sure the wife-soothing cradle pic will attract a lot of attention. Gatoclass (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
ok cool, just trying to understand your reasoning. Thanks for all your help with the Apreil Fools stuff.--Found5dollar (talk) 14:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Believe me, we don't get too many chances to feature a wife-soothing cradle for the pic spot. DYK is all about unusual stuff, and it really doesn't get any more unusual than that, so I think it will work very well :) Gatoclass (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
hahah i think alot of these hooks cam out well.--Found5dollar (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Just try to get the "Europe queue" seen in europe. I put the Guiness hook in there and i still do not get it hehe.--Found5dollar (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the Guinness one is a bit obscure. I think the idea is that it's odd because it's in a Muslim country, and Muslims don't touch alcohol. Gatoclass (talk) 14:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Teresa hook in Q5

I wanted to trim that hook (like this), but Durova complained that "It's more interesting if the hook indicates the size of the force that was sent to expel her." - just FYI. Materialscientist (talk) 07:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I can't agree, because the hook doesn't make clear that that was the case. It just reads as redundancy. Maybe if it was a bit more tightly phrased it would work, but not as it was. Gatoclass (talk) 07:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I've tweaked it to make the point clearer. Thanks for the suggestion :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Queue 3

Not to butt in, but...shouldn't Queue 3 start the April fool's day queues with prep one holding for now? Calmer Waters 23:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

So someone just reminded me :/ I've rolled back the edits. Gatoclass (talk) 23:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry, it would get done one way or the other (saw your post just now). Like MS says, it easier on this side of the update to point things out ;) Just giving you a little ribbing. Take care. Kindly Calmer Waters 23:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
No, it was good you gave me a quick nudge, otherwise I couldn't have used rollback :) Gatoclass (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Bradford City Hall and Parkwood Hills for 1 Apr DYK

Thanks for keeping me on my toes, Gatoclass. It's probably done me good, though it's been hard work to keep up with requirements. Anyway, you now have an official Bradford City Council citation for the Bradford City Hall hook, with the Council's full cooperation and approval, bless them. The Parkwood Hills hook now has a Canadian govt agency official website citation - actually two citations from them - so that should be OK for you. Do let me know of there's anything else I can do to help.--Storye book (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Look, I'm really sorry, but I'm just too tired to do any more verifying tonight and I'm about to hit the hay. I will try and have another look over your hooks tomorrow. Gatoclass (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for all the hard work you've done already; you've done a tremendous amount lately, and it doesn't go unnoticed.--Storye book (talk) 16:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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