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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 24
Hello everyone, and welcome to the 24th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 24 December 2021. Uh-huh, we're finally covering the good ones among the rest! Aren't you excited? Remember to include a link in double brackets to the script's .js page when you install the script, so that we can see who uses the script in WhatLinksHere! The ScriptInstaller gadget automatically does this. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!
Featured script
Making user scripts load faster by SD0001 is this month's featured script, which caches userscripts every day to eliminate the overhead caused by force-downloading the newest version of scripts every time you open a Wikipedia page. Despite being released in April 2021, our best script scouters have failed to locate it due to its omission from the US of L. For security reasons, the script only supports loading JavaScript pages.
Newly maintained scripts
After earthly attempts at improving the original have failed...
Ahecht has created a fork of SiBr4/TemplateSearch, which adds the "TP:" shortcut for "Template:" in the search box, and updated it to be compatible with Vector 2022.
AquilaFasciata/goToTopFast is a much faster fork of the classic goToTop script that also adds compatibility for Minerva and Vector 2022.
Without caching. Each script takes 400–500ms. A particularly large script takes 1.11 s! Internet download speed is 50 Mbps.With caching enabled. Each script takes just 1-2 ms to load.
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To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
Dragoniez/SuppressEnterInForm stops you from accidentally submitting anything due to pressing enter while in the smaller box, and works on almost anything... except the InputBox element itself, used in subscription lists and the Signpost Crossword! Oh, the humanity!
Doǵu/Adiutor(pictured) provides a nice, integrated interface to do some twinkley tasks such as copyvio detection, CSD tagging, and viewing the most recent diff.
Eejit43 has quite the aesthetically pleasing scripts, all made in TypeScript.
/afcrc-helper is a replacement for the unmaintained Enterprisey/AFCRHS and processes Redirects for Creation and Categories for Creation requests.
/ajax-undo stops the "undo" button from taking you to another page while providing a text box to provide a reason for the revert.
/redirect-helper(pictured) adds a much better interface for editing and redirects, including categorization, for which valid categories are dictated by /redirect-helper.json.
/rmtr-helper helps process technical requested moves without being able to actually move them.
Guycn2/UserInfoPopup(pictured) adds a flyout after the watchlist star on userspace pages that displays the common information you might use about a user.
Jeeputer/editCounter, under userspace, adds a portlet link to count your edits by namespace, put them in a table, and put that table in a hardcoded subpage, all in the background.
Hilst/Scripts/sectionLinks converts all section links to use the § sign, which are known to be preferred over the ugly # by 99% of the devils I've met.
PrimeHunter/Category source.js adds portlet links to tell you where a category for an article comes from and supports those from template transclusions.
Sophivorus's MiniEdit adds some nice, li'l buttons next to paragraphs to edit their wikitext with a minimal interface.
Edit-listings
Dragoniez/ToollinkTweaks adds more and customizable links next to users in page history, logs, watchlist, recent changes, etc.
Firefly/more-block-info optimizes the display of rangeblocks in contribution pages. Doesn't work outside the English locale of any wiki, unfortunately.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/AjaxLoader makes paging links (e.g. older 50, 500, newest) load without refreshing and makes you realize how slow your internet actually is.
Appearance-ricing
Ahecht/RedirectID adds the redirect target to all redirects. For all the WP:NAVPOPS haters. (Do these exist?)
Dragoniez/MarkBLockedGlobal: Remember the "strike blocked usernames" gadget? Now you can use a red, dotted line to highlight rangeblocks and global locks!
Jonesey/common(pictured) has some styles to overhaul your Vector 2022 experience. It reduces padding everywhere, and makes the top bar animation faster.
Aaron Liu/V22 is a fork that narrows the sidebars instead of upheaving them, reverts the January 2024 dropdown changes, and restores the old page-link color for links that don't go outside the current wiki.
Nardog: SmartDiff is a spiritual successor to Enterprisey/fancy-diffs. It makes the page title part of links in diffs clickable, along with template and parser function calls. Unnamed parameters can be configured per template to also be linked. All links are styled based on the normal CSS classes of rendered links.
For the paranoid: Rublov/anonymize replaces your username at the top of the screen with the generic "User page" text. Remember, it is your duty to persuade everyone that editing is an honor.
/AjaxBlock provides a dialog box for easy input of reasons while blocking users.
/Selective Rollback(pictured) provides a dialog box to customize rollback edit summaries and does them without reloading the page. Seriously, why doesn't MediaWiki already do this?
/flickrsearch adds a portlet link to search for uploadable flickr images about the subject.
/randomincategory adds a portlet link when on Category pages to go to a random page in the current category.
Vghfr/EasyTemplates adds a portlet link to automatically insert some of the most common inline {{fix}} templates.
Yes, we're just doing 'em as we go now. Thanks for reading through this looong issue, if you did! I'm sure this'll send a record for the longest issue ev-ah. You may need to wait even longer for the last issue, as our reserve of old-y and goodie scripts have ran out... We encourage you to try and do some of the requests or improvement tasks. See you in Summer, hopefully!
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I want to nominate the John Schrank article for FA and I need a mentor. I have a few GAs and this one was just promoted to GA today. I feel like you are one of the best editors I have seen on Wikipedia. If you are too busy I understand. Bruxton (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
The MTA essentially treats Borough Hall a bit like an express station even though it is not configured as such...
Well, maybe because everything south from Fulton Street is treated as an extension of the Eastern Parkway line, even though it probably is not.
I guess that is why you reverted me. I probably should understand the history better before editing more NYC Subway articles. AwesomeAasim02:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
No worries, it's extremely convoluted, and I would've likely made the same edit myself a decade ago. The thing about the Eastern Parkway Line is that only the two current express platforms are part of the line at Borough Hall, as this was part of the original subway from 1908. The original subway widens to four tracks once it turns southeast of this station. The local tracks diverge to the Clark Street Tunnel east of the station and weren't completed until 1919, so that's why they're really considered part of the Broadway-7th Avenue Line and specifically the Clark Street Tunnel.
With regards to the map, I think the MTA shows Borough Hall as an express station for readability, but these really are two separate sets of platforms at a 60-degree angle to each other. I might try to make a geographic map of that later, though. Epicgenius (talk) 02:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
I think if it was built originally all the way back a century ago it would probably have been an express station. Once again, so many things that made sense then don't make sense now probably because they were built a century ago. AwesomeAasim16:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
On 8 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Andrew Carnegie Mansion, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Andrew Carnegie Mansion in New York City was designed by "the only architects in the city who had not begged for the job"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Carnegie Mansion. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Andrew Carnegie Mansion), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
The article for South Bronx has long been clear that "geographic definitions of the South Bronx have evolved and are disputed". It has listed neighborhoods that are agreed-upon components and some where there is disagreement. A very new editor has made a series of edits that removes some of the iffy neighborhoods and puts in a hard and fast definition that "most consider any neighborhood west of the Bronx River and south of the Cross Bronx Expressway the South Bronx". The editor did not include a source and it comes off worded as OR. I have found sources like this one in which "The South Bronx was defined as all communities south of the Cross-Bronx Expressway and west of the Bronx River" and other sources of varying reliability seem to exist that would support the claim. However, the edits conflict with some of the sources in the article and I wanted to check in with you on your sense of how this should be handled rather than make another revert. Alansohn (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for reaching out @Alansohn. As far as I can tell, there isn't any hard and fast definition of the South Bronx, as encapsulated by this NY Times article from 2006, which calls the region "perhaps the biggest area with debatable borders" - that article couldn't even decide on whether Fordham Road or the Cross Bronx Expressway was the South Bronx's northern boundary. In any case, though, I would go with what reliable sources say. If the sources agree on a certain area being part of the South Bronx, but disagree on other areas, then we can include only the neighborhoods where the sources generally concur. For example, if most of the sources agree that Mott Haven and Port Morris are part of the South Bronx, you can say "Sources generally consider Mott Haven and Port Morris part of the South Bronx". However, the wording "Most consider" is likely to be seen as weasel wording, especially without a source. Even if the NYT comes out and says "Most people consider so-and-so to be part of the South Bronx", we'd have to attribute that claim to the source. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
If anything is clear, it's that we agree on the facts, sources and broad approach, but may I ask how you would handle the changes that have been made to the article? Alansohn (talk) 21:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
I would definitely remove "most consider" to start with, but if the sentences still don't match the sources, I would rectify that as well. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award
Citation Barnstar
This award is given in recognition to Epicgenius/Archive/2024 for collecting 1 point during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer
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Thanks for all your edits to the New York Public Library Main Branch. I also saw your edits to Downtown Brooklyn and Astoria, Queens. Your work is appreciated! Aliciama16 (talk) 00:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, just had a quick question on WikiCup scoring. How would Featured Article Reassessment reviews and rescuing be scored, or would they not be counted at all? In this sense I'm just talking about those reassessments which have active discussions going on. Could someone get 1/2 or 1/4th the points for a FA if they manage to rescue an FA about to be delisted? Looking forward to your response. Matarisvan (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
@Matarisvan, unfortunately, featured article reassessments, good article reassessments, FAR saves, and GAR saves do not count for points currently. I'm not 100% sure about the reason for that, but in the past, people have pointed out that it's hard to quantify how many points should be awarded for each reassessment or save. If there is a desire to change that, though, we can discuss this further at WT:CUP. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to the app’s first newsletter in 2024!
It has been a long year; we published four editions of our newsletter, which you can go through all of them. In this edition, we will cover our work for the last quarter of 2023 and the first quarter of 2024!
Android
Edit Patrol (also known as Patroller tasks on Android) has been released to Beta testers with rollback rights on Test Wiki and Indonesian Wikipedia. We had a productive meeting with Indonesian users to introduce and discuss the new patrolling tasks feature on the Android app, as we provided a detailed presentation on the feature, and collected valuable feedback from the Indonesian community to enhance the user experience. For those interested, a meeting recording is available. We conducted outreach to Spanish, and French Wikipedia communities during February 2024.
We hosted two synchronous community consultations & recorded a third where we shared the Edit Patrol suggested edit workflow, and showed designs for Saved messages and templates:
French - 21 February 2024 from 16-17 UTC. Recording with translation, slides.
Spanish - 28 February 2024 from 16-17 UTC. Recording, and slides.
Places feature is back to the Wikipedia Android app! Places is a feature that allows you to discover articles by location. The iOS app was able to maintain the feature via use of Apple Maps, but it was necessary for Android audiences that we continue using an open source map.
iOS
Suggested Edits on iOS prototype is in the experimental build. Instructions to test the feature can be found on this FAQ page. Alt text is text associated with an image that serves the same purpose and conveys the same essential information as the image. The app's product manager presented our team's work and prototype (iOS suggested edits) to the GLAM conference audience. All details can be found in the presentation's deck.
It is now possible to donate using Apple Pay directly from the app.
IOS Native Editor Improvement Development is out! You will be able to edit, find and replace, and insert links and images directly from Commons without any performance issues! Additionally, it is now possible to edit a full article page and a talk page.
In the current quarter, we aim to engage with editors from LATAM, Spanish-speaking regions, North America, and the Caribbean to test Suggested edits and the new native editor features.
Community meetings
We participated in the GLAM conference in November 2023. All the details are mentioned in the iOS section of this edition from the newsletter.
On December 1st of 2023, The Wikipedia Android team met with Indonesian users to introduce and discuss the new patrolling tasks feature on the Android app. The team provided a detailed presentation on the feature and collected valuable feedback. A meeting recording is available.
We joined the Wiki Editoras Lx editathon on December 16th to gather feedback about an alt-text Suggested Edit task on iOS. Attendees were generally positive about the prospect of the feature. Experienced editors thought it could be a good task for on-boarding new editors, but also a more casual way of contributing for new editors.
Greetings, EG. Besides being seemingly the only guy on Wikipedia with a pompous name who actually lives up to it, you are also equally exceptional both in your constructive, compromising approach to advancing the encyclopedia and the help you offer others allowing them to give their best. That said, can you help me out a little bit, please. I know you know how to "condense" multiple citations (in a rare case where a whole posse of them actually isn't citation overkill...I'm good with that template), like the one in the Early life and education section of the article on Sam Ervin. You'll see it...it jumps right out, a whole batch of identical citations for the various sessions of the North Carolina legislature he was elected to early in his political career.
Good question. There's actually a few ways to do it:
One method I've used is to remove the </ref><ref> tags between the citations you want to bundle, then wrap the whole set of citations with {{unbulleted list citebundle}}, and put each citation in a different parameter (e.g. <ref>{{Unbulleted list citebundle|Citation A|Citation B}}</ref>). The benefit of this is that each citation will be separated by a line break. The downside is that the entire cite bundle will be indented quite a bit if you decide to use the cite bundle multiple times in an article.
Another way is to replace the </ref><ref> tags between the different citations with <br/>. It's less elegant than the above solution but doesn't require a template.
The final way is to replace </ref><ref> with semicolons. If you are combining CS1 cites though, you would need to add the parameter |postscript=; to all except the last cite. In addition, there won't be any line breaks between each citation, making them look squashed together.
RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:
Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
Proposal 5, initiated by SilkTork, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by BilledMammal, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
Proposal 7, initiated by Lee Vilenski, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
Proposal 9b, initiated by Reaper Eternal, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by City of Silver, Ritchie333, and HouseBlaster, respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
Proposal 13, initiated by Novem Lingaue, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
Proposal 14, initiated by Kusma, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by Thebiguglyalien and Soni, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
Proposal 16e, initiated by BilledMammal, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
Proposal 17, initiated by SchroCat, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
Proposal 25, initiated by Femke, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
Proposal 27, initiated by WereSpielChequers, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:
Hello, I work for Steven Rattner and I'm looking for someone to implement some changes I've proposed at the Talk page of Steve's investment firm Willett Advisors, which handles Michael Bloomberg's personal and philanthropic funds (see Talk:Willett Advisors#Updates to the article). I see that you belong to WP:NYC and that you've contributed to Michael Bloomberg's article over the years, so I thought you would be an appropriate person to take a look at my suggestion. Initially an editor responded and asked for clarification, but he has basically been inactive over the past two months and has not followed up. I would appreciate if you would take a look. Thank you, E at rattner (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
@E at rattner, thanks for the message. Unfortunately, I cannot look at your request fully, as it's out of my area of expertise.I think your first requested edit, requesting an update to the company's headquarters, is supported by the sources. It seems the infobox image has already been removed. I can't comment on your second and third requested edits, though. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your response, Epicgenius. I was really just looking for someone with a good understanding of WP:COATRACK and WP:V. I don't think this requires special knowledge of finance, so I would be grateful if you could give the remainder of the request a shot. But I respect your decision either way. E at rattner (talk) 15:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification. I do generally agree with the premise of the rest of your edit request - when I looked at the sources earlier, the information in question did appear tangential to the topic of the article.
Ironically though, this brings up another potential issue, as I have a conflict of interest with a NY-based institution (as declared on my user page). Although I don't foresee my institution coming into any conflict with Willett Advisors, I do think it would be best to let a completely uninvolved editor handle the rest of the request. Epicgenius (talk) 17:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
You reverted my addition of "City" to "Bronx, New York", saying it did not add anything. Probably not to New Yorkers, but not everybody knows that the Bronx is part of New York City (and not its own city). It's best to keep Wikipedia understandable by its worldwide audience, an effort that seems to get harder by the day. (I do appreciate your contributions, BTW.) Minturn (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
@Minturn, thanks for the message and for the note of appreciation. You are correct that not everyone knows that the Bronx is part of NYC, but in short descriptions, conciseness is key. The name "New York" can refer either to the state or the city. If we were talking about something in Buffalo, New York, it would be a little less clear that Buffalo is not part of NYC. However, in the Bronx's case, both are correct, which is why I thought it's not really necessary to make a distinction in the short description. (It also might not be of utmost importance that we mention that the Bronx is part of NYC, or that Buffalo is not part of NYC, in the short description in either case. As I said above, short descriptions are meant to be as concise as possible.)I actually have a slightly longer essay about this, User:Epicgenius/NYC short descriptions, where I explain why I favor either "borough, New York" or "New York City" over "borough, New York City" in short descriptions. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 10 May 2024. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 2024, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/May 2024. Please keep an eye on that page, as comments regarding the draft blurb may be left there by user:dying, who assists the coordinators by making suggestions on the blurbs, or by others. I also suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from two days before it appears on the Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work! Gog the Mild (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
The Core Contest—Wikipedia's most exciting contest—returns again this year from April 15 to May 31. The goal: to improve vital or other core articles, with a focus on those in the worst state of disrepair. Editing can be done individually, but in the past groups have also successfully competed. There is £300 of prize money divided among editors who provide the "best additive encyclopedic value". Signups are open now. Cheers from the judges, Femke, Casliber, Aza24. – Aza24 (talk)02:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article The Jane you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of LEvalyn -- LEvalyn (talk) 04:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
On 31 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frick Collection, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Frick Collection is not allowed to lend out some of its art? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frick Collection. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Frick Collection), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Grungaloo -- Grungaloo (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
; see Talk:Brooklyn Botanic Garden for comments about the article, and Talk:Brooklyn Botanic Garden/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Grungaloo -- Grungaloo (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Bayard–Condict Building and Talk:Bayard–Condict Building/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Grungaloo -- Grungaloo (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Template:MBTA Platform Layout Back Bay Station has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Mackensen (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)