Jump to content

User talk:Cassiopeia/Archive 43

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 40Archive 41Archive 42Archive 43Archive 44Archive 45→Archive 50

Wikidata weekly summary #410

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • Scholia highlights the scholarly data in Wikidata, including scholarly works, projects, topics, and individual researchers, including their relationships and statistics. It encourages further enrichment of Wikidata through links on the "missing" pages.
  • Development
    • Working on a first prototype for automated finding references (board)
    • Bridge: improve rendering of references (phab:T238661)
    • Only send incremental changes through the API (phab:T230343)
    • Adding a screen allowing people to go edit the references on Wikidata (phab:T240333)
    • Reducing the size of the extra Javascript that the user has to download for Bridge (phab:T228857)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Tech News: 2020-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There was a problem with user pages not being shown properly on desktop. This was because of a bug. It will soon be fixed. [1]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 April. It will be on all wikis from 9 April (calendar).

Future changes

  • MediaWiki will use a newer version of Unicode. Some characters that did not have an upper case equivalent before do now. Titles beginning with one of these characters will be moved. A list of these titles can be seen on Phabricator. The titles will be renamed by the user Maintenance script. This will start on 13 April 2020. You can rename them before this if you wish and the new title can be different from the one the script would rename it to. [2]

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

19:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Little note

Hi Cass - I had hoped after all the effort we have both put in that you might spare me lines like 'please read WP:MMA'. I am disappointed that you feel that that's a fair comment.NEDOCHAN (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN Greetings. Sorry for not elaborate of my comments as I thought you have read them on the Nick Diaz talk page. I place them below for your perusal.
"Since this is a mma match, in Wikipedia we use the WP:MMABOX as the guidelines. Under the Note section it states "The column Notes is meant to be used for information related to the bout, including but not limited to special rules, awards earned, failure to make weight and similar. Do not use it to put irrelevant text such as "MMA Debut", "UFC debut", "Cut from the UFC" or similar text not directly related to the bout." In that sense, the BMF belt is directly related to the bout and if we would put a fighter missing weight for title belt, or debut in XXXweight, or won TUF fight (which no belt was handed out but a trophy which is a TV series/tournament. created by UFC), as per guidelines, I dont think it create any harm to include the well sourced BMF belt in the note section, after all it is a note to viewer."
Once again, my apology if I upset you and thank you for letting me know about it. All in all I and I believe other editors do share my view that we apprecaite you contribution and have provide a lot of help to Wikipedia especially the mma related pages. Stay safe Nedo Chan and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 10:43, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

The Special Barnstar
I feel enormously grateful for time and effort you've put into teaching me within NPP Academy! Less Unless (talk) 14:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Less Unless: Thank you very much. That's very kind of you. Cassiopeia(talk) 08:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Put in lots of work per yours (and other users) requests but edits only showing when logged in?

Hi there, I've put in a LOT of work per your request (and a couple of others too) in regards to merging the UFC television shows to the Ultimate Fighting Championship as you requested when you declined the UFC Now draft numerous times (it is a much better idea to have them in the article as opposed to separate articles), however I've done a really great job at merging the pages into the Television part with the info as you can see on the page. I am a little confused as when I'm not logged into my account the changes aren't showing but when I log in it shows that they are there now and all the hard work I put in (as yourself and many asked) is there. Can you please let me know why they only show when logged in please (maybe due to being a popular page it just needs to be approved which is fine) however I would be really upset if all that work went to waste specially when I did this at people's request. A lot of editors put work into the other pages too so you can understand how important this is that the work isn't disrespected. You'll be able to see anyway on the page which one's I've done, there's a few which are quite extensive such as The Ultimate Fighter for example which probably should remain as a separate article however UFC Now has been merged from the draft per yours and others requests and I've also merged UFC Unleashed, UFC Connected and UFC Tonight as they were very short stubs (much smaller than the draft for UFC Now) which I know didn't need their own article space either so you can feel free to put those pages in for deletion now I've merged the pages as per requests from yourself and some of the other editors on the UFC Now draft here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:UFC_Now

There is also a small note to help other editors on the Television section of [Ultimate Fighting Championship]] to help yourself and other editors please, however if you can make sure that the hard work and edits I've put in are fully there please it would be so much appreciated as I just looked on my phone (without being logged in) and also on my desktop (also without being logged in) and all my hours of hard work to do this for those who have asked and to make Wiki better with this isn't showing unless I'm logged in, which has frustrated me a little to be honest.

Please also see the notes in the edit history on [Ultimate Fighting Championship]] too so you can see what I've done to help and make this better for people as well as the hard work I've just put in, which isn't for nothing of course and thank you!! :)

PS I think it's a great idea you requesting this and is much better than the separate pages, so I've finally done all the work I was asked for to do on this which took me a long time so I don't want going to waste and thanks. Music Editor 2017 (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Music Editor 2017 and UFC Cub Beavis: Hi Music Editor 2017, Have you recently change your username to "UFC Cub Beavis"as your talk page redirect to "UFC Cub Beavis talk page" and the Ultimate Fighting Championship recent edits which you have mentioned about is UFC Cub Beavis" editor - see HERE. If you have change your username, pls (very important) to mentioned in your userpage and your work is recorded in HERE. Stay safe and let me know if anything else I could help. Best. Cassiopeia(talk) 08:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
@Cassiopeia: Hi my friend, yes I put in a request last night to do this and when I've just logged on now it's changed while I was asleep :) I couldn't log in so had to use the new name to do so haha. Hope you're doing ok :) UFC Cub Beavis (talk) 11:03, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Vaga Baby

I have been a member of the Wikipedia community for over 10 years. I have made many contributions over those 10 years. With regard to the Vaga Baby article, there are several reliable sources cited. Apple, Amazon, and iHeartRadio are a few of the sources that were used. These sources view Vaga Baby as a notable celebrity. It would not be fair or reasonable to delete an article that contains citations from the aforementioned sources. Techno31 (talk) 15:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Techno31 Greetings. You have voice your comment on the AfD which is the right venue, so I will reply there. Thank you. Cassiopeia(talk) 05:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. I need a few more days to get the references updated. I will add a few more reliable news sources. Techno31 (talk) 13:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • There was a problem with the Wikidata database last week. Some wikis went down for twenty minutes. Wikidata and other projects showed error messages. Interwiki links were not shown, some tools did not work and other problems. Some of this was fixed quickly. The developers are working on fixing the rest. [7][8][9]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from April 14. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from April 15. It will be on all wikis from April 16 (calendar).

Future changes

  • Some graphs have not worked on mobile. This will soon be fixed. [10]
  • The article tab on talk pages of redirects links to the target of the redirect. It could link to the redirect page itself instead. You can leave feedback on this.
  • For pages using syntax highlighting, the use of the deprecated <source> tag, as well as the use of the deprecated enclose parameter, will add tracking categories.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

15:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools

Read this in another language • Subscription list

Screenshot showing what the Reply tool looks like
This early version of the Reply tool automatically signs and indents comments.

The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.

Reply tool improved with edit tool buttons
In a future update, the team plans to test a tool for easily linking to another user's name, a rich-text editing option, and other tools.

The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.

  • On 31 March 2020, the new reply tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias: Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian. If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
  • The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page. The team will test features such as:
    • an easy way to mention another editor ("pinging"),
    • a rich-text visual editing option, and
    • other features identified through user testing or recommended by editors.

To hear more about Editing Team updates, please add your name to the "Get involved" section of the project page. You can also watch these pages: the main project page, Updates, Replying, and User testing.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #411

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • COVID19 Dashboard is a Wikidata-powered one-stop information/visualization service for COVID19-related topics such as COVID19's outbreak map, deaths, symptoms, taxonomy, and publications.
  • Development
    • Move wb_terms data in cloud replicas to wb_terms_no_longer_updated (phab:T248592)
    • Rebuild wb_items_per_site, after incident where wb_items_per_site was dropped (phab:T249596)
    • Purge / Reject client pages that were cached in parser cache during the incident (phab:T249595)
    • More work on Automated finding references
    • More work on federated properties: create and save a statement with federated properties
    • Bridge: improve the generic error screen (phab:T241126) and on save (phab:T248087)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Logan Storley

Hey Cassiopeia, hope u r doing well on quarantine times. I created the draft of Logan Storley but it says the page already exists. The article does not exists, it simply redirects you to List of current Bellator fighters and I'm not able to move the page bc of it. Could u help me out with that 1 m8? Thank u. - PabloLikesToWrestle 14:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

PabloLikesToWrestle Greetings. Stortely is not notable for a MMA fighter as he does not have any top tier promotion fights (UFC/Invicta) - see WP:NMMA ; however he is notable for WP:NCOLLATH as a medalist for D1 NCAA wrestler. The subject page has been created and rediret to List of current Bellator fighters. What you can do is to copy the content from Draft:Logan Storley to HERE and place {{Db-G7}} (delete page requested by creator) on Draft:Logan Storley. The Draft:Logan Storley then will delete by admin. Let me know if anything else I could help. Stay safe. Best Cassiopeia(talk)
Hey again Cassiopeia. I already posted the article of Logan, thanks for ur assistance. Today I checked my watchlist and I had all of my articles there, except there was Kyle Dake in there and I’m not sure why. I did create his record section which is like 10,000 words but I didn’t create it so it looks kinda peculiar to me. I also created a section of +10,000 in David Taylor but it didn’t appear, so it’s even weirder. It would be less strange if Spencer Lee appeared instead of Dake as I pretty much recreated the whole article but it’s just that question, why is a dude whose page I didn’t create in my watchlist? Stay safe, best to u and your family :) PabloLikesToWrestle (talk) 22:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
PabloLikesToWrestle Greetings. You edits on Kyle Dake is HERE-1, for David Taylor (wrestler, born 1990) is HERE-2, and the Spencer Lee edits are HERE-3. You need to provide the source where you add in the info that would make the article notable. (See WP:42, WP:PROVEIT, and Tempete:Cite Web for how to add the source) What you can do is to click the "View History" on the top of the article page and you would see all the edits log on the article. To remove the watchlist of a page just got to the page and click the "blue highlighted star" off (make it no color). The star symbol is next to the "view history" on the article menu bar on the top section of the article page. Let me know if you need further assistance. Cassiopeia(talk) 05:31, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

CVU training request

Hello Cassiopeia , can you please train me in fighting vandalism. I recently had a rollback request denied due to lack of experience. Also, I would like to know the time duration for completion of the course. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Amkgp Greetings. Please see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cassiopeia/Archive_41 message title "CVU Training request". If you are still interest in CVUA program after reading the message, then let me know so I would set up the program for you. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 05:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, interested. Amkgp (talk) 05:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Amkgp The program has been set up for you - see Here. Pls provide hist diff and page when answer the questions. Thank you and welcome to CVUA. Cassiopeia(talk) 06:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia Sure and Thanks. Amkgp (talk) 06:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #412

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • Ordia generates statistics from Wikidata lexeme information, and through the "Text to Lexemes" feature allows linking a document to the associated lexemes, and highlighting missing lexemes that can be added.
  • Development
    • Prototyping week: the Wikidata team at Wikimedia Germany spent one week working on some quick experiements. The projects developed during this week are not necessarily going to be added to the maintained codebase. Among those projects:
      • try to use GraphQL for the API providing access to Wikibase/Wikidata data
      • allow to programmatically access different configuration variables of a Wikibase instance to make it easier for tools to built on top of it
      • investigate ranking for Items to order them by their relevance in a query result
      • com up with a workflows for editing statements linking to other Items in the Wikidata Bridge
      • identify how to improve Wikidata's accessibility
      • create design system components to continue improving consistency

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Please review my draft

I have done all it the edits please check it ChrisAlexDcosta (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

  • The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 4 May 2020.

Recent changes

  • Advanced item The small wiki toolkits is to help smaller wikis that need technical skills. They can learn and share technical skills. [11]
  • Advanced item Over-qualified CSS selectors in Wikimedia skins have been removed. div#content is now .mw-body. div.portal is now .portal. div#footer is now #footer. This is so the skins can use HTML5 elements. If your gadgets or user styles used them you will have to update them. [12]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

  • Some things on the wikis might look weird or not work in Internet Explorer 8 in the future. Internet Explorer 8 was replaced in 2011. [13]
  • The font in the diffs will change. [14]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 April next week. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 April next week. It will be on all wikis from 30 April next week (calendar).

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.

18:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Expertise please :)

Hello!

I heard you are the person to talk to! I am very invested in learning more about Wikipedia and how to become a proper editor/ advocate for fair and descent postings.

Think you can help show me the ropes ;) ?

F&INerd — Preceding unsigned comment added by F&INerd (talk • contribs) 02:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi F&INerd Good day. I had a look at your edit here, the reason for the revert and the warning message is not only the telephone number was presented in the citation that caused the the filter blocked, but you have removed a chunk of "sourced content" without a good reason. I have placed a welcome message on your talk page and there are some basic editing and guidelines info for your to read. By the way, may I know which editor / which Wikipedia sites suggest yo to contact me on the request above? Let me know if you have any specific thing you need to know and I am here to help. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 09:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Now that the TV pages are merged

Can you be so kind to review the pages UFC Unleashed, UFC Connected and UFC Tonight to see if they can be nominated for deletion now that we've kindly merged the pages as requested by many. Also, what do you think to UFC Ultimate Insider, UFC Primetime, UFC All Access and Fox UFC? Do you feel any of these pages should be merged as they are a little more extensive (some more than others). You decide what you feel with these ones (The Ultimate Fighter obviously needs to keep its space). Thanks UFC Cub Beavis (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

UFC Cub Beavis Hi, as long as you dont find any independent newspaper talk about the subject then you can AfD them. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 11:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia Hiya, I'm not sure what that means but they have been merged now as requested so the pages UFC Unleashed, UFC Connected and UFC Tonight are no longer needed :) I'll let you decide on the other pages (UFC Ultimate Insider, UFC Primetime, UFC All Access and Fox UFC) if you feel they should be merged or not as I'm unsure about these one's with them being a bit more extensive. Thanks :) UFC Cub Beavis (talk) 12:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 April 2020

* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:17, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

I Need More Help

I got a message that someone is reporting me, in order to ban me?? Something called an SPI investigation..unlike the guy 'reporting me' I have not posted anything biased or libel or rude or even controversial, so I do not understand...I am beginning to feel bullied 😢. I am also suspicious...he is not let anyone else in. His way or the highway? Is Wiki like that? Please help!


To further the problem, he is now requesting to get the page locked - does that not disrupt the use of Wikipedia? Can I request to lock it then? Is that what I have to do?

F&INerd (talk) 01:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

F&INerd Edits made by you have consistently been disruptive to the article in question. You've inserted unsourced information that is not contained within the citations you provide and additionally you've editorialized and again removed cited information. I have a general concern that your account has an unstated conflict of interest in regards to this article. I've asked for a sockpuppet investigation to be opened in regards to this account and the account DrWillow. Since the edits made by you and DrWillow are nearly identical it is my belief that this is a new account you made after having been repeatedly warned about editorializing and editing with a conflict of interest. I'm requesting the article be locked so that no more disruptive editing can take place. Hyderabad22 (talk) 03:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


The page has gotten locked before, each time it is edited - but without good reason or detailed information. You are not giving anyone an inch. You will see I reference and cite all material. Yet there is removal of perfectly sourced material, instead placing surface sourced libel in it's place - against Wiki policy. Rather than communicate, you insist on locking, and having it contain biased, inaccurate libel. Is it not Wiki policy to correct such slander and backhanded standards? Your standards of 'disruptive' are heavily biased. I am indeed getting bullied by you sir, and will insist this is harassment and against Wiki standards. F&INerd (talk) 03:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Attribution

Hi, Cassiopeia! (I much prefer your new username). I may be wrong, but it seems that you copied some text from Draft:Leptonotus blainvilleanus into Deep-bodied pipefish. That's absolutely fine of course, but the stuff wasn't written by you, so it needs to be attributed to the original author. I've done that in this case, but it's required (by the terms of our CC licence) any time you move or re-use content, so if there've been other times when you've done so, perhaps you could go back and do the same for them too. My tip: the {{copied}} template is a bit cumbersome to use, and in many cases just attributing the copying in your edit summary should be good enough. Oh, if I've misread the page histories, do please say so! Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers Greetings. Thank you for the message and noted. I think (I dont remember as it was more than 6 months ago) I reviewed (new page) the articles. I tend to add in more sources into to the article so it could meet GNG and this article is one of those example which I added about 5 sources and added 2 short sentences. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 12:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers Greetings. reword here. Cassiopeia(talk) 06:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi! I'm worried that I haven't been quite clear: it is absolutely fine to copy content from one page or part of Wikipedia to another, it's specifically allowed under the terms of our licence; the only thing is that we need to provide attribution in one way or another when we do so. So there was no need to reword anything at Deep-bodied pipefish, it was fine. As it happens, your reword changed the meaning, so I've re-reworded it, hope that's OK? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers I know small amount of copy is allowed I just forget to the attribution. thanks for the revert btw. Cheers. Cassiopeia(talk) 10:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, within Wikipedia any amount of copying is allowed as long as it's attributed; and yes, sometimes that attribution is easy to forget. Anyway, all is in order with that little page, on with the next! Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers Thank you and stay safe. Cassiopeia(talk) 12:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

CVUA

One of your students, ToeFungii Has been blocked for SP. Just for you to know that you do not have to worrie about that student. Best, Signed,The4lines |||| (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 17:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The4lines, G'day. I saw and it is common that some participants join the program just in hope to get certain user rights which they formerly been banned and come back as a SP. I thank you very much for informing in such matter and others as well. Stay safe The4lines wherever you reside as I am in a safe place where no a single covid-19 case for the last 2/3 weeks and and restrictions are being lifted gradually by our govt but we are isolated (no travelling in or out) from the rest of the world for maybe 1-1.5 years to come. best. Cassiopeia(talk) 01:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Thats good, I live in southern california so there is still a bunch of Covid 19 cases, and we can't go traveling anywhere. The good thing is that I live in a suburb of San diego. (30-40 min from downtown of SD) And 2 hours from LA. Best, Signed,The4lines |||| (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 14:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Chase Hooper

Hey Cassiopeia, writing to you to tell you about the article of Chase. Even if he still wasn't eligible as an MMA fighter, he's a Pan American champion and Pan American runner-up and I think that's enough to create his article. Same with Askar Askarov, he's a Deaflympic Gold medalist as a freestyle wrestler and that should be enough to be eligible.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PabloLikesToWrestle (talk • contribs) 12:36, May 23, 2020 (UTC)

PabloLikesToWrestle Greetings. If he is a black belt International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation medalist and if you would provide independent, reliable source (from newspaper and not from any sites which would link to him) then it would be sufficed. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 04:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Nope

@CASSIOPEIA:I am doing what suppose be done. RM was made for community input during these COVID-19 issue affecting these UFC events. This is no longer content dispute. I am reviewing some user actions to see what going. The direct moves, new ufc events pages, and non discussed changes has been done. To be honestly these a very very simple issues that would of been fixed without question. It part of WP general fixes. This mess is unacceptable and i reviewing whats really going on. Regice2020 (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Regice2020 Greetings. I think you must have mistaken. I was not talking about merge but name of the article. UFN is on ESPN+, UFC on ESPN is on ESPN. UFC XXX is PPV event. We move page from UFN XXX or UFC on ESPN+ xxx to UFC Fight Night: xxx vs. xxx when the headliner is official confirmed which how it is done for many many years. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 07:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cassiopeia/Archive_43&oldid=959381118"